Morgan Stewart

with its stereotypes. But we sit down to discuss the details of her journey from her own perspective, this is just be with Morgan Stewart. So I don't know if I do, but I keep saying to myself, I think I owe her an apology because I've never gone back and watched the time that you were on the talk show. But I know the tone from either like rumblings or I don't know why I think that, like that I gave you guys too hard a time. And I'm not

even gonna say that. I'm not going to make an excuse that producers do prep you and say this is like this revolting show about all these rich kids, because I hadn't seen the show, right you get these papers as you know, hi, and these are these kids that are these rich kids, and it's there, and I guess, you know, the producers wanted there to be like this salacious segment and so and I guess, to be perfectly honest, a show called Rich Kids of Beverly Hills does sound

partially vile. So I came on and I think I don't remember what, but I remember there being a you being the blonde, pretty cute girl on the end, and your boyfriend at the time seemed like this, like a bossy Beverly Hills, half a nice kid, half a douchebag, and like, okay, So I apologize if I was like better than or a bitchy or whatever. I whatever you perceived me to have been, me to have really been. Well.

First of all, I appreciate you even saying that, and I actually I watched it back not too long ago, and I welcomed but I was so self aware and I think we all were that we kind of welcomed that interaction with the audience as well, because of course the name was vile. The name was sprung up on

us last minute. Nobody no mind onto that show, being like we're signing on Rich Kids of Everything Hill Games a titled project, so I remember almost my takeaway from that experience was feeling invigorated, like I'm not the person

you think I am. Let's watch the show. Obviously, to use your word, it was a little violent times and a little bit obnoxious, of course, but I definitely felt like my reaction might have shifted post leaving your set, because I think the people around us, who were kind of our caretakers of the day were like, let's go. That was just not what we expected, and then I was, oh,

it wasn't. But then I was like, bring it on, like we have to kind of be aware that this is going to be the reaction of like the average American person. So it wasn't all terrible, I get it. But what show was I on? Nice poets of demoies? I know, but Real Housewives versus Rich Kids is not you don't know the name, but I'm talking about the actual show. I didn't see your show, but I don't know how much more disgusting it could have been than

what's going on right now in Housewives. I can't imagine. Yeah, it was, it's definitely different, but yes, I get what you're saying, Okay, so I get what you're saying too, and I appreciate it. And you know, nobody's gonna accuse me of not being edited or filtered. So no, um, all right, so we met then, and you know, but it was on for four seasons, like that's not nothing. Now that I you know, have institutional knowledge about that sort of thing, that's not nothing. So it was a

success by everyone's standards, I guess. So. I mean the whole time we filmed the show, the network kind of played that game, which I mean, you guys probably never had because the show's so massively successful. But with us, it was like, I don't know if it's gonna be another season. The ratings are, you know, five hundred thousand now they're getting like nobody. I was like, oh, I don't think I never felt Looking back now, I'm like you, oh, the show was a success. During it, we never were

made to feel like it was doing well. We never had an audience. I had literally I got married on the show to my ex husband, and we had like a million overnights that is, as you know, like unheard of for e right now. No, that's amazes And I remember them pulling and being like or you know what it was? Sorry, it was like nine hundred and fifty thousand, and they were like, but you just you didn't hit

a million. No, but that's I'm so glad you're bringing this up because when we back in the dark ages and I was on reality television and we didn't even have Twitter in the beginning, so and I was instrumental in this, they would not They didn't give us the ratings. That was not something we got. For several seasons, we didn't get the ratings. It wasn't something it was emailed. And I remember going all the way up to the heads and saying like why are we playing hide and seek?

Like why don't you send you know, we had to fish and find them and look it up on the internet and find it from other people's and these sites that Bravo would say aren't real and we'd find it on the press or some other way for years, and there was no way to negotiate because you didn't know what anything meant, and you didn't know what even ratings meant. But they never told us, like the ratings, that there

were ratings. We were dumbess, you were dumbbies. So Finally after years and it was the second time I came back. I think, unless I don't think I'm mixing No, I'm not mixing stories. I would say, why don't you send us once a week in email saying this is the ratings, and also if we've done well, why don't you tell us we've done well? Which never really happened because they always want to keep you down. It wasn't like, why don't you say, hey, this is great? Yeah, yeah, no, no, No,

that's negotiation tactics. That's why they don't send you ratings because if your ratings or that's why they I think it's almost legally now that they have to. Yeah, but when your children or whatever, you don't know what a good rating is. So I was like, God, this show is just not making it. Looking back, the dumbest thing they could have done for their network, not for my life, was canceled that show. Oh, Fair, Fair It could have gone forever, it could have they that was like the

last show that had legitimate ratings. I hate to I'm not shitting on E, but I'm just saying, like, no, it's interesting, that's interesting. Yeah. I didn't even think of it that because it could have been it's a franchise. It could have been rich kids of everything, just like Sunset selling everything funny that I didn't I didn't think of that. So um, but I don't think I know. I know there's a girl only because I think she's friends with Kyle and I've seen her on social media,

Dorothy Wang. I don't know what she does, but she seems to be a big personality. And I don't know who else was on that show. So did anybody else break out? Because it feels like when I think of you, I think about there was a bachelorette that really broke out and she did a lot of work. I think her name was Ali maybe for a while, she did a lot of work, and I always noticed that she really got a lot of h got a lot of hosting gigs and things. And I think about Kristin Cavalery,

who really, you know, broke out. I mean, I know Lauren did too, but in a different way way, less like a company like making money behind the scenes way. Yeah, and Kristin did that too, but I get the sense that she's more socially relevant than the company is, like blowing it out, but I actually know, um, yeah, I get that sense. So what about you, So did you have well did you did you think I'm gonna make this into something I'm gonna be playing chess? Did you

think or did you just get lucky after? Like? Or do you you hard? I think I think I knew before the show, like I always wanted to do something like that, I not not be on a reality show, but be successful. And just the fact that I was always engaging in pretty funny and outspoken, and my personality was like my real my only real gift. So I was like, it's gonna be in some sort of format of television. I just knew that was going to happen.

And we had tried actually before Rich Kids with another company and nothing ever came a bit, and then when Rich Kids happened, I just knew, I don't know, it was gut instinct. I knew something was going to come after. And so I did the four seasons, and I treated it like a job the whole time, like I was very serious about it. I knew that like I was going to be on time. I didn't think I was important or special, Like I knew that this moment could

be gone in two seconds. So um, I think I had a pretty good reputation behind the scenes, which you know, is like important people didn't want to deal with your pain in the ass. So I went into that at twenty six like knowing, Okay, you can't be an asshole. This is serious. And then towards the end of Rich Kids, E came to me separately and was like, look, we really want to explore for the relationship with you. We think you have something like let's see what that is.

And once the show ended, I signed a deal with them to work at the actual network and I did some digital stuff and that kind of snowballed into doing Daily Pop for them because Kat Sadler coincidentally decided to leave, so there was a spot opening, so you know, and it was on the Daily Pop. Yeah, I was the host of show, and even the executive producer of Daily Pop was like, I'm never going to have this fucking girl on, like she doesn't know what the fuck she's doing.

And it just worked out. So then I did Daily Pop and then they wanted to do a nighttime show and they were actually outsourcing comedians, like they were looking they were scouting for someone else to host it, and I went into the office. I was like, nobody's going to host a show with me. This is why you brought me here, Like I need to host this nighttime show. This is my long term goal. That was always the goal, and that worked out as well. So I just ended

that in November after five years. So I was there. So when you start walked in, you were like at E all the time, and like the way it is on the show with Katherine Heigel, you were like going down the hall to the office like so I once

I was finishing Rich Kids nin up. I'm referring to right right when she's pregnant the whole time, and they're like what ye No, So they offered me a contract post Rich Kids, and that was like a basically like a nine to five, like you're gonna work here, you're gonna really yeah, and you're gonna do digital content and we're gonna see if this even works out, we'll see interesting. And so I did that and that one year deal turned into six years. So I gather knowing the powers

that be and knowing the genre. Yeah, you did definitely didn't make a lot of money at Rich Kids at all. I could literally bull's eye what you made and it's it's like everyone thinks you're rich because ironically you're a rich kid, but you're not a rich kid from that show and e two, So you're thinking about how you're going to monetize it in the bigger picture. And did you grow up was it more like they marketed you as that or did you grow up a very wealthy

person by the nation standard? Yes, but by Beverly Hill standards. Yeah, No, I grew up really, I grew up comfortable. It definitely was not on the level of billions of dollars. Dorothy, who was my friend and castmate, was like the wealthy by like global standards. So that's what I was at, okay,

And that was really sort of why I was. We were all at the beginning taken aback by sort of the title, because I was like, you're putting us all in a position now where we sort of have to like uphold this sort of not facade but just embellished, like I am not like you weren't flying private and driving a bell no, no, no no, And like at that point, I feel like, now you mean this is going to invite me mask but like Private seems to be a lot more excessive I was literally what I

was saying too. I was going to say, like back when I went rich when we were kids, what other people were is not not what goes on now. Well, so there's rich and then there's rich. The people all the people on the Housewives are not like real rich, real there's they're they're rich and a lot of them are faking and renting and all the bullshit, and that's happened across and bankruptcying. But like, fuck you crazy rich in Beverly Hills is astronomical and that's why I was.

And also to simplify it, the best way you can put it is those people are not on TV exactly. Thank you. Okay, so your parents, you have brothers and sisters. What's your brother my Yeah, so my I have an older brother, but we have different dads. But so my mom was married before had my brother. He's seven years older. And and your your your parents are not together. My parents are together. They go, oh, that's from her other marriage.

Your parents aren't together, Okay, and they're still they're they're those weird people that love each other and have breakfast, lunch, and dinner together and that's weird. Yeah, they're they're they're they're the happy there. It's like forty five years together now or something by three years. Susanne Summers is weird like that, Like they work together together all day and her husband, they live for each other. I'm like, please don't tell me anymore. Um So, and you're close with them.

I'm very close with both my parents. I'm like, I talked to my mom all day every day. My dad and I are very close, and we're close in different ways. But that is the one thing that I think that has stood out for me my whole life. Like I got really lucky in that sense. Like they are we are just a little threesome. That's weird to say, but we're a team a pot. Yes. And they're quote unquote normal. They're civilians. They're not like entertainment Hollywood type people, not

at all totally normal. My dad worked in Beverly Hills. He was a builder, architect, and my mom is actually from Switzerland, so she's very normal and like all of the things that I have that I credit to being like somewhat of a stand up human and know what's

going on is because of her, for sure. Okay, and so you were married for a minute to the guy on the show, and did the show helped propel that, like it all sounded good and exciting and things were happening, because because I've been through that and it's a train and you think you can't get off and everybody's expecting it and it's a terrible thing. Also, I don't know how your experience is, but then you also like it

is something you really want in that moment. So if it's not for me, looking back, we had we were together for six years. We had a really wonderful relationship. I can't say anything but nice things about him. He truly is a nice person. I definitely think probably more on his end, they were like, well, what's going to happen, Like what's going on with the next season? Like are you proposing? And I think wanted to do I think he would have had he not proposed, we probably would

have broken up a year later. Do you know what I mean? Interesting? Yeah, but I'm saying these TV shows do it's just dad water. You don't realize and it at all is fun. Like let's put it this way. I never really go anywhere and I never really like wear anything. I just have all this stuff that I look at because I'm just a real, very very serious homebody, not like a thing I just say to be cute. It's very serious. I could go days and not leave the house. I do go to days and not leave

the house. So when I was on the Housewives, it was great for me in a sense because it gave me a reason to like put on clothes and pretend that I like doing and go somewhere and I was really going somewhere, and I like, I would never entertain, for example, but then because of the show I would entertain. I would have like people overseer double dipping. Oh, I'm using that living room in that gorgeous house I have,

So it's real, but it's because of the show. So I'm saying, you're doing these things that are like meta because the show is having this happen, and you're having this happen, and it becomes more exciting and like it's insular. You're like in a tunnel where you're like, this is of course supposed to be the next step, and yeah, of course they're all real, but it is being motivated by the larger pick. That's what I'm saying. It's like shinier,

It's like shinier and more accentuated. And it's true it is, But if the cameras weren't happening and this experience wasn't happening, it wouldn't be the same. It's like if the tree fell and no one heard it, it it would be different. That's what I was trying to say. Yeah, no, you're completely right. I think that for my particular experience, like the goal was always to get married prior to the show or any influence, let's say, influence from the show.

I just think that if the show wasn't happening, maybe it wouldn't have happened at that particular moment. But then I look back and I was very much like, well, when are we getting engaged? Because if we're not getting get it, it's all it's a whole whirlpool of just like craziness. Exactly the relationship. The way I can look at it was, Yes, I think it was perpetuated by the next step was perpetuated maybe the timing by the show, but we definitely that was our intention the whole time.

And yeah, and it was supposed to end like it wasn't supposed to be my long term life marriage, right, But also it's hard to see things as they really are while you're in that frenzy, so like the show is not happening, and then you like look at your life as it really is without this this, you know, with some structure and normalcy. Yeah, so the Daily Pops stopped, they canceled it. They stopped both it was called Daily Pop and then Night Pop. They ended both of those

in October. Oh it's recently. Okay, it was like three years ago, but it wasn't. And so yeah, I did that for I was there for five years total, and then I did another I did a show called Necessary Realness for them, which was online, and then I did another snapchat show with them called What the Fashion. So I did four shows for them over the five years. And you're still connected to them or like what do you so? What are you doing now? And what do

you want to be doing? And I got my last check from them like two weeks ago, Okay, not connected to them at all. And then I'm working on a product, like another TV show, another project I definitely want to continue working. But also the schedule I had working at E was I mean it was hardcore. I mean I had to get up at five every single day I was there day. I had to be there at five to thirty five forty five six for hair makeup. Like it was so full on that it was. It was.

It was five days a week. It also never stopped. They didn't break for holidays. Christ It was three sixty five, so you know, most shows film for the year and then they stopped for the summer. This was not. This was year round. So it was very interesting because it's like an archaic model. It's almost like you're like the studio owns, you know what I mean, Like you're attached to a studio, so you have a salary, but you're doing shows. It's just like a different model. It's so

and I literally coming off that ride. I mean it took me like two months to even get like I was so beyond fatigue and didn't even realize, Ah, that's nice, that's nice to like let it go and you're probably still coming down. It's not that it's like completely after having a baby, you're not really normal for a while. A long time. I had two babies in two years. I was still working throughout both babies. It was wild times.

So how old are your kids now? So my daughter is going to be two tomorrow and my son is going to be one on Friday, So that that's insane. Oh it was insane because a lot of guilt, a lot of torn it was Yeah, I mean I was like just all of it was. I mean, getting pregnant that fast was just the most shocking thing that I think happened. And they're literally a year and a day apart. Wow, Wow, that's you done, so done, beyond done? Yeah, cooked done.

And what's your your husband's name is I'm sorry, it's Jordan or okay because I wouldn't want to mix it with a X. So your husband's name is Jordan and he's in the entertainment industry. Also yeah, well he's a musician, so yeah, I guess so yeah, okay, And does he go on tour and he's got his own crazy life Boes on tour has done tours like last I think last year he was on tour, he went out with the Jonas brothers. He opened up for them, which is amazing.

So that was crazy. So then I was like with pregnant, with one baby brought the other baby was with him, Like I moved to New York for three weeks to kind of like houb out of there go. It was a little it's been a lot the last few years, it sounds like it, and so he can't say he doesn't. Did he look at you like, what the hell are you doing with all this with these two with the two kids and with the schedule or no, because he's

living a crazy life too, like are you both? I think he was really supportive, and I think he knows how important it is for me as a human being to work, like I just am not that person. There's absolutely no shame in being to stay at home mother. I think, noel to be with your children if you want to do that all day. I just know for me being the best version of myself, I have to

have something to do. Even yeah, I just I mean even like my days, I'm like, I'm just like in the same yoga pants every day because I'm like, there's nowhere for me to really be in That lack of purpose kind of sends me on a bit of a I'm in it. I'm much older than you, but I'm in that stage. I have a very big business and a lot of stuff going on, but I am in that stage. But you'll get to that stage where you don't really want, like you don't even know that you want.

You want like the slightest bit of purpose, but you don't want that much purpose. Yeah, Like it's it'll come, and it'll you'll remember that I said this to you because it will be very unique. You'll have been on the treadmill and knowing how it feels to be exhausted, but then sort of want to get on again or a different treadmill. Then you'll get to a point where you're like, I really just don't want to be on any treadmill. It's really interesting because you gotta get to fifty.

And then you'll say, but we have ways for that. So so you're with Jordan. How did you guys meet? We actually dated. We dated ten years ago for the first time, so before I met my last husband. We were together for a year and a half. We lived together. He was actually dating a friend of mine and then they we weren't that close. I told her straight up. It was one of the most awkward conversations. I was like, listen, this is weird, but we're gonna go for this, and

we did for a year and a half. We broke up, did not keep in touch at all. I randomly, why did you break up? We just were young and it just wasn't too much. It was just too much. We're just children, and so, you know, we did not keep in touch whatsoever. And most of the boyfriends that I had prior to him, like all went to Beverly High and all kind of you know, were between Cannon and Beverly Drive, and I saw everybody every single day. He was like the first boyfriend I had that Like, we

dated for the year and a half. We broke up. That was it. And I randomly kind of kept in touch with his older brother here and there for random things, and then I would see his parents around and we kind of had like a connection somehow. And then I got married and then divorced and he was in a long term relationship and then he kind of literally DMed me.

He was like hi, and I was like, I'm not a fucking moron, Like I'm not going you're doing whatever you're doing, You're traveling, like I am getting into how do you know everything he's doing. I just knew through the grape vine, but you just really hadn't seen him at all for years. Nothing. I had seen him at his brother randomly invited me and my ex husband to a white party they were having like three years prior, and I saw him for two seconds and I went

up to be like, hi, how are you? And he was so like not that friend, and he's like hey, and I was like, oh, okay, well, but let me does he everyone knows each other in that small world. And so, and he's doctor Drew's son. No, doctor Phil's son. Sorry, he's I know doctor Drew. And I like that. I love Doctor Drew. I will Yeah, he's amazing. So he's doctor Phil's son. Yeah. So he's got a little swag, he's got game. I assume I'm gonna look him up. I assume he's good looking. So does he have a look?

Does he Does he have game? And that like you know what I mean, Like he thinks he's he's hot and he's a musician. He's a little bit of a hot stepper. There's literally no, there's no duche tree to this one. He's like funny, dirty, sweet, like very yeah he looks like that. Yeah, got it, okay, and most importantly like quite intelligent. Okay, so no dishbaggery. And he dms you. So he just was intrigued yeah, just was like,

what's up, how's it going. We chatted for a few months, and then I ended up seeing him in New York like twenty nineteen, and I literally didn't even want to go. I'm like, I'm not even going to do this. Well exact way to go get a drink, and it was you weren't doing it. I was dumb. There's nothing going to end in anything. I was like, I'm not gonna go through. Like I'm going through enough right now. I don't need to deal with that. So I saw him there,

we hung out. It was like fine, we continued, he continued to chat. It was Mexico. Then I went to Mexico for New Year's he was still on tour. I slammed my hand in the door randomly. It was like one of those doors where you slide, and then the other one came sliding, so I had to go to hospital her. And then I was really at a breaking point and I was like, what is this year? This

is so fucked, Like just let me live for five minutes. Yeah, and then he sent flowers to Mexico because you were heard in my hand and I was like, that's kind of like serious. That was December, and then he came back. We hung out for January, and then the world got shut down. That's how long ago that this too? I don't the time. I think that's anything same the start of three years ago now, I mean, okay, okay, you know, I literally Paul could do that was ninety two. That

was seventy. I don't know what year, what year it is, I don't know twenty seventeens, so I don't that was three years ago. Okay, got it. I'm the exact same way. It's funny, but that's my only frame of reference. And then January we were kind of like living together. I had an apartment and by May we what do you mean January were living together? A head apart said, this was December, December, I was on vacation. He sent me flowers. We got back from the trip, he got back from tours.

Through January, we were like hanging out. I had an apartment. We were like he was living at the at a hotel. And then he rented a house because he was selling his house, and I basically ended up moving into that house, still going home, but spending most of my time. This is when and you're a single human being you're young, you've got fucking rich, hot musician, and you're gonna do this for the pandemic. I love this, and I we at this point, we didn't know the pandemic was going

to be the pandemic. So I was very much like, I pay for my own rent, I pay for my own clothes, I pay for my own health injurance. I am an independent woman. I am not gonna like get swept up in this. I still pay. So I made a rule to like sleep home for a few nights a week, and that lasted about a month and then January were fully fully living together at that point. In March, and then by May we were pregnant stop first child.

What my birthdays made me? Second? Oh, in my for the first the first time we ever had unprotected sex, the first ever. This is like knocked up. That's hysterical that you worked at EAT because you're live like this is knocked up, except that he's not. You like it, you love him, but they left the that's hilarious. Wow, Okay, Yeah, and then July we got engaged. December we got married. I gave birth in February, and then we did it

all again because in May again, I got pregnant. I hadn't even had I mean, this is I don't know how much we can say on the show. I hadn't even had like a full period. I mean, you know you made your Yeah, it worked and may it was my birthday again. I guess that's when we do things. And literally I found out when I was eight weeks. He's like, don't don't make a joke. It's positive. We know you're just feeling like shit, it's final, You're right.

I looked away for one second on that test. One second I was like and it said and I literally could not move for three minutes. And I went to the doctor and she literally said to me, your dude, date is February seventeenth. My daughter's due date was February fourteenth. I had her on the sixteenth, so they are I had him on the seventeenth, so they are one year and one day. It's like jippy life, like you must

be saying, so exhausted. I think it's great that this all like like this ended this anything for a moment, you need a breath because you'll has you can't get out with that pay in the bill. It will come some other place that insane. Okay, So you're that's amazing, okay, And you have a good relationship and a good kids. How do you stay connected with all these parts? Because I am in a relationship with someone who lives in

a different state and it and it works. It works because there comes a time when you're honest about like, not what a relationship should be, but what a relationship actually is, and that if you're a person who really likes your own time. And I used to not even know that I wanted to have my own time in a relationship because I just I didn't have the same career and the same kids. So it was always what

are we doing? What do we do? I have? So I have one life with my child, I have one life with Paul and the blending I have one and I have one life with my work and one life on my own, like and I love them all. Yeah, so it's not fantasy, it's reality and um, and it's

not easy to stay connected. But then you, Cheryl hend said, you go, you do these amazing things and you bank these new memories and like you live off of those, Like we just went to Puerto Rico and we hadn't been on an Alane vacasion for a year that was romantic, and we came in on fumes and we went and like, now we have that to bank, so we have a little spring in our stuff and then we'll paid each other in a couple of weeks and need you know,

something to get us to the next thing. But anyway, it's a very realistic relationship, which it may not sound sexy, but that's so I ask you because I'm hearing all these ingredients no different than hearing about ben Affleck and Jennifer seventy two red carpet events in one year, wide leg jeans in July and in Italy. He's an addict, they have kids, they have break up like this cannot be perfect. The wide leg jeans in July and Italy really just speaks to me on because it's it's in

the city. You're right, you're wearing wide leg, cameltoe thick jeans in a metropolis in Europe. That alone, would I'd break up with Paul like I'd be like I couldn't handle it. It was the wide leg paparazzi jeans. I'm done, No, I'm with you one hundred percent. And that's the other thing.

That's somebody that doesn't want to have that balance, right, Like what you were saying earlier out at a certain age, she wants to be the biggest star in the entire world in every facet, whether it's makeup, and I don't

want to be that person. I think for us, this is also something that I'm so acutely aware of in terms of like, you know, we're very fortunate people, So me telling you, we really get to prioritize our relationship because we are fortunate enough to have people that help us with our children, right, Like, so we are able to go out for dinner and be together. And you know, I know my kids are taken care of. I know that I'm a damn good mother. I'm with them as

much as I possibly can be. I guide them, I'm patient, I drive them to all the things. But we really make it a priority to be together with like zero kidshit. Now we're lucky we get to do Yeah, no, I can it not everyone gets to do that. That's even before we had kids. We had the conversation like this is gonna get really gnarly, and it's so easy to be so and we are exhausted, right, Like I just came,

he didn't have COVID. I was alone with both of them, and I like saved him because I was like, I want you to stay healthy because I don't want God forbid you to get say, he stayed in his like little studio in the back. He looked quarantined away from us. But I'd rather him be clear. But that's sort of what we do. But you know, he might. I was just thinking yesterday, like he might go on tour again. What's that going to look like that It's gonna be

a shift. That's gonna be difficult. Now the kids are older, they have more things that they're doing, and I'm gonna have to like fly to you. You're gonna have to fly home. What's gonna be exhausted. It does sound at the beginning, and then it's gonna be just awful, yea awful, yeah exactly. So we'll have to take it as I think. You just take it as it comes. Exactly. You do take it as it comes, but just know that it can. It's it's amazing if you just make the right decisions

and you live in reality versus theory. So how your in laws get together, So you've got normal parents and you've got doctor Phil and as he's still married. No, they're not memorating into they are married. There. I'm obsessed. My mother in law and I from the moment we met, we always had like a little bit of a connection. She has only two boys, but her and I have always nice. We've had our thing. I don't know, it's

no bullshit. We are just like I think. When I was younger, I was a little bit more like in awe of who she was. And now I'm like, I'm older and I just see like her as who she is, as like a full human and we vibe we really were. Oh because you met her, you met her when you were dating for a year and a half and you were like a child and they had to run the program. And now you're peers in a way in a way, and I really and she's honestly, would rather not be

peers with any other human but her. She is wonderful. And that was one of the first things I was like, Oh my god, how are parents going to sit together at dinner? Like you know, this is just it's seamless. Oh, they love each other. You could travel together. We could travel together, my mom and her and his mom like email and chat and like can get drinks like there isn't because they're so normal. Wasn't she involved in his business? I feel like this was she ever involved in his business?

So she does the show with him. They've had the show for twenty two years and she's walked on and off that show with him every single day. So they're they're nauseatingly best friends too. It's like, I hate to say it because it sounds like such bullshit, but like it's literally like you walk in and they're like get their kitchen counter, like eating pie, and you're like, okay, wow, okay, So then you have two nauseatingly perfect parents, so you have a good shot. Okay. So and wait you just

left his show? So their show just ended too, Yes, well that was his he decided that. I didn't decide my fate. But yes, right, but what oh okay, I'm saying, everybody's got more free time. So like doctor so doctor Phil and his wife will just come up with like pop over and see the baby. What's that? Like? That is the funniest. So everyone is always like so are they always over her? Are they always? No? Way? Right? Boundaries? Nobody but most mother in laws are not like that.

They're all My mother is weirdly like neurotic crazy, has her own shit, is not pushy, does not come over, and my mother in law is like, let me know if something works for you. If doesn't, I know, You're like, I never feel like people are coming in at both sides boundaries. It's boundari to because the day is busy and we have shit going on and we can't have Grandma coming in every second of every day. And they

totally get that. I'm sure they also know what it's like to be like have a pit crew descended upon them and like know what privacy means. I mean, yeah, I have in laws too that are like amazing, like they're they're not coming over and sleeping on the pill out. You know, they're their own human beings and they are way more social than we are and have their own lives and they're a lot of boundaries. It's amazing. It's called like meals shopping, all the good, it's all the positive.

It's so true. I think that's another really big benefit that my in laws are really good. Like they are busy and like he's going to continue to do with some other stuff. So it's not like they're ever going to be the people that have like a totally free Wednesday to come like knock on the door. Yeah, but you're a fully like entertainment industry unit. That's interesting. Oh yeah,

how much you're talking about the business to them? Like how much are you and your husband talking to Phil and his wife about like the entertainment industry and the business end? Do you would you ever work on projects together? That's a weird. I would like, I know there's that whole like nepotism talk, baby talk or whatever, like I'm signed me up for nepotism daughter in law, Like, I will take it all day. I was actually I picked

my father in law's brain all day. I spoke to him like when I was doing my last renegotiation and his I was literally had to stop him and be like, this is cable. This is We're not talking about millions of dollars right right, Like you're asking me to like ask for the back end of I'm like, this is not you're getting shares in viacom And yeah, he's like talking You're talking about a puppet show and I'm talking about like literally under two hundre Like why this is

not the same bar with reset. I don't think you're saying and but I have this idea that I'm working on and I was actually supposed to go over. I sent him a deck literally two weeks ago to talk to him about it, because he's clearly done something right. He's been on the air for however long two thousand years I mean, and number one, I mean, that doesn't happen anymore saying insane and I got COVID, so I'm

supposed to go there tomorrow. But I are you intimidated though, or do you like you just call casually or there is a boundary because like I feel there's a little like sometimes there, yeah, you tell me, is there like uh I am? I definitely think it's no. I will text and call. He loves it. They like me. I hope when I see him, I'm always like a little bit like, oh, you're like that big like you are. He is a big presence, he's a big person. He talks quickly, he's very with it, he's very So I'm

kind of sitting there like what is he talking about? Ads? Like what? I no, no, no, So so you hippreciate you're a little good good intimidated. You appreciate that time. You're not trying to waste his time with nonsense garbage. Baby. Totally, I don't want to seem like an idiot. But he also definitely takes like he doesn't need to take the

time to do He could be like, that's your my son. No, but I'm gonna I like this dynamic because I understand this dynamic of you feeling good that you are with You're with a man who has a very successful family, and you know that you have earned your state at the table, and you don't feel like they think you're that dumb, dumb girl that's marrying the guy for that reason, because you are successful in your own right and you've

made something of yourself. It's not that easy. I get the whole thing totally, and I think I came you're so right. I came in with some built respect. And also, my husband didn't marry any of those girlfriends right, like he had plenty of girlfriends in between. I think it was really important for him on the guy side of things, like, yes, so I need somebody. He's very strong in his purpose. He's like fortunate that he gets to pursue his dream every single day. He takes it seriously all day. I'm

kind of like, are you done yet? And he's kind of like, this might not seem like work to you, but I'm doing this shit all day. And I think it was important for him to have a partner that wasn't like gonna just shop all day. I shop all day, but I also work all day. I get it. I shot you at least leave the house, so you should just come over here and take all my stuff? How do you extend your fifteen minutes? Like? And I actually

it's funny because I don't think of you. I wouldn't have even like I now know who you are, but I didn't realize you were that same person from that show. Like I thought to reconnect that for myself. So that's good and something I can relate to. You've definitely become your own being separate from that, and that's amazing. And so now how do you keep extending it? Like? What

is your real goal? My real goal is to continue down the path that I'm on, Like I'm really trying to have a vessel on television that incorporates who I am, like three sixty like not the rich kid, not the variation of like that person from now on, E that's like sort of got a little bit of that, but like it's kind of reading what other people are telling

me to read. Like I need something that's going to showcase like all different parts of me, which is something I'm working on and hopefully people will like it and got it because I see the fact, like the fashion comes through that. I love love, love, I mean the fact, but even that I don't even get the credit for,

so I appreciate it, but I love fashion. But there's just I think I have a I connect with people pretty easily and not in like a bullshitty type of way, and I kind of I want that to kind of start to transcend and come out. I feel like I've been in this like little bit of a box my entire career, which is now like crazy to say it, but it's been like and you could do a talk show and it's a terrible, Oh my god, it was.

I hated it more than anything I've ever done. But there could be a way that you could do that where it would not be insufferable. That's what I would like, That's what I am trying to Yeah, but I could see that I think that would work, but that's a grind. So you have to find a way that's not torture. You have to be honest. It's when I got it. I remember getting a talk show and I was out in LA and I was with my best friend, and I had too much to drink, and I said to her,

why the hell am I doing? Like because you have, But it's one of these things you're supposed to want. Someone hands you a diamond, You're like, of course I wanted. Of course, why would you want a diamond? You supposed to want to and everybody wants to. I didn't want. I don't like to be handled. I don't like the pit crew on me. I'm a very antisocial person, and I don't like to direct traffic and traffic to be

directed everything that I don't like. It was so you have to be so honest with who you really are, because it seems so great to do certain things. But like if you're honest, as you get older, you keep any more and then you just say no to things or figure out a way to make it exactly how you need it to be. Because because I could see you talking, what what does the film schedule? Like? Just quickly like were you filming all year or did you film for a few months and then go crazy and

then get to that. I think you are off a certain period of time. There's only one season, but they had to do two shows a day. But with My Dag, you're used to getting up to five and you had to wake up and be in there at six forty five. It's just it's everything. I don't I don't sleep late. I get up at six, but it has to be on my terms. Someday I may wake up at seven. I cannot be corralled. I cannot be forced. I am just like a loose horse. So it's not for me.

It cannot it has to be. This is perfect, This has become, this is This has been wildly successful, shocking to me, not shocking, but like the amount of success that these shows have been, and it's because it's perfect for me. Like, yeah, the structure, Um, I love talking to you. It was so unbelievable. I have one more thing, the Rose and Thorn of your career. Oh my god, this is so different. I don't even know how to

simplify what it is. I mean, the rose is obviously feeling successful, feeling purpose, feeling like I can connect to people, and then the thorn is maybe not being showcased in the most authentic way. It's not coming who you really are has not come through on these projects. No yeah, yeah, I guess not fully me yet. And I'm just like, it's ready to break through that level because it's hoasty, it's hosty, it's a little yeah, it's removed, it's you know,

it's not I get it. It's a little vapid. It's just not I'm in there, but not no, no, no, no, I get it. It's happened for years. You're amazing good. I'm so happy. And I have to tell you. My mom love you. She's like I love that Bethan. He's so real, not full of shit like these other I'm like, okay, so oh yeah, well maybe I'll get to meet her. Like I've had so much fun because I get to meet people here that I get to know. So now I feel like I know you. So yeah, maybe one

time in LA will get together. I see to meet you. I'll see later. God, I keep loving the show. Every time I do the show, I do homework. I think we like, am I gonna have something to talk about? I don't even know who someone is for the most part, Like I know who they are, but I don't really know anything about them, And I just the Juicy Center is so great, what a great thing. I don't think that anyone's ever heard half of what Morgan Stewart just said.

I think she's so interesting. I'm so grateful if the show can highlight someone in a way that you would never have known that they were meaning, Like Kelly Rippa said, this was the best interview she ever did, and I know that people got things from her that they've never gotten anywhere else. And also she said things that she's definitely not told anybody. It's really nice to have these honest conversations and get to the depths of who they are. And I'm really excited and I'm so excited to do

this with you. And it's so different from rewives and I also sit in this chair and have a completely different conversation. So I love it. Thank you so much, Rate review and subscribe and let me know what you thought.