So we went through the Bickram yoga scam. Like everybody was obsessed with Bickram yoga and then it was cult like and everybody was totally obsessed, and so then of course, you know, there was scandal. And I think, like when anythink gets too crazy and too big, there's a scandal coming.
And I think about meditation, and I think it was like I want to say, it was Tom Hanks and like Jerry sein Fell got him into meditation, and I know Howard Stern is really into meditation, and a lot of famous people are into TM and they go to the same person. And I remember I was gonna go and Carol and I were going to put him on the Housewives. If it's the same person, it's like the famous one and you have to commit to a certain amount.
And if you're a normal person, I think, if to pay to get a mantra, I'm totally paraphrasing because Paul told me about paying to get the mantra. I remember talking to Carol about this thing. I've seen an interviews celebrities talking about other famous people telling them to meditate. I mean, do you have to pay to get a mantra? Like you have to pay to just have something to say over and over. And now it's like an elitist sport of really famous people going to famous gurus and meditation,
and that feels kind of the opposite of meditation. It's like yoga people are just in on top of each other because everybody is the same and gets to practice and there's no although yoga has a bunch of bullshit and elitist stuff too, don't get me wrong, people. That's where like people are competitive about it and feel like they're doing it wrong, which is the opposite of yoga. But it feels like all that's the opposite of meditation too.
Not the famous people aren't allowed to meditate, but it's just they only go to the same famous meditation person, which becomes super douchy to me, like none of them and then one of them is going to now go to just like a regular person meditator and make that person famous, and it just feels like something that shouldn't be elitist. And they have meditation places and it was great because the pandemic made people sit down and open up apps and just meditate. But I did go to
this spa and meditate and get it. I think I was getting the massage or healing thing and the guy said, do you meditate it? I said, yeah, I do it on the car app Oh yeah, Like they're kind of, what's everything that's wrong with it? Like really, because I know there's another one called headspace, and who cares if it's what it's called. Who cares. It's just like stopping listening to whatever they're saying. You can't even hear what
they're saying. You fall asleep so soon, or you zone out, or you think about your grocery list, but it's just it's you're sitting crisscross apple sauce. You're pretending you're spiritual, you're just closing your eyes or opening it all. So they're very serious. They don't want you to lay down. You gotta sit up. I want to lay do. I want to like non, I want to try to do something that I never ever do, and the way that I want to do it, like you all of a
sudden start beating yourself up. Paul was talking about it. He has an app that says like, oh, you've now meditated nine ninety four days in a row. Then he feels like if he broke he broke his like meditation diet, which is exactly the opposite, and some of those sleep apps are the same. For me, I like it because I just want to know what's going on, but it can be obsessive. You wake up and you thought you slept really well and then it tells you your score
and you're like, wow, I'm such a fucking failure. I can't even succeed at sleep, which is doing nothing, but meditation is no different. Like now they're counting and telling how many days in a row you did it, Like it's the fucking iron Man. Might as well do P ninety x CrossFit CrossFit meditation. Let's let's make it as stressful as we possibly can. So stupid. So yeah, I meditate in the bullshit bazooka, you know, fortune cookie manner,
and it helps me and I like it. I'll put on a sleep story for my daughter and I or I'll just lay on. I have a map, it's like an infrared matt it's amazing, and I lay it down. I put a fuzzy mask on it and it's hot, and I'll just sometimes do nothing. Or I'll just put on like a like a meditation story in it. I'll be like about nothing, like I'd be like, ah, it's about their voices. It's not really about what they're talking about.
Because the guy Jay Shetty, he's like, I, I'm Ja Shetty, and I like sleep and I haven't always been good at sleep, and I'm already fucking like drooling. And then there are some people that are annoying, like you need to get off this app. There are some people that you literally can't sleep because they're annoying, and you feel bad because they're supposed to be experts. They're experts that you're sleeping. They're on a sleep app. Nope, get out.
Sometimes on these apps they've got celebrities. By the way, I've heard Matthew McConaughey tell a story about a train, like, what is he being paid? It's crazy. Now we have voiceover sounds like a Toyota commercial, but it's to help me get to sleep. They're branded. I turn off the
people that I already know. I don't need Matthew McConaughey to be in my bullshit, faux bullshit faux spiritual meditation practice because then I realize I'm really a fucking fraud and I might as well go called Jerry Seinfeld and Tom Hanks and Howard Stern and meditate with their person, and Maria Striver meditates twenty four hours a day. I don't think she's awake anymore while you are awake when
you're meditating. But I think she's always meditating. And I don't want to hear about it because it makes me feel guilty. But I'm sure she goes to a famous meditator. I don't know. Do they let Maria maninos Is in his famous as Jerry Seinfeld. Maybe they don't let her in. Maybe she's allowed to go to, like, you know, a famous, famous person, but not you know, at the level of Tom Hanks, like not half a billionaire meditation person. So you know, I don't know. I'm gonna call someone at
my level. I'm gonna call it snooky, like wh who do you meditate with? I I need that level. So my girls, my producers are telling me about Jay Shetty like I didn't even know anyone knew who he was. I didn't know who he was. He just is a guy on there that I like his voice. That's so funny. You guys know, well, now I better do my meditation more perfectly. I just thought he was a ramdo and he has like a yeah, he's like, I love sleep
and I haven't always been good at sleep. It took me a while, but now I realize it's a practice and you don't. And he's great. Jay Shatty's great. I didn't know he was a famous person. He's he's a famous person, but he's not Matthew McConaughey. So I, Jay Shanty, if you're out there, I had no idea who you were. But you put me his fucking sleep. So I hope your podcast doesn't do that, because you put me to fucking sleep. I thought these are like just like they're fame,
they're they're locally famous. Like what are you famous at? Oh? I'm it's like TikTok famous, I'm meditation app famous, daly Ja here is the Daily j Okay. He's he's a star billing on the com app. So I can't imagine what they're fucking paying him, But good for him, all right, hold on, who are the sleep people? I only do the sleep people. I don't care if it's mid day. I don't want anybody waking me up and I will lay down. Fuck you. I don't need you to tell me,
and he'd be sitting up. I'll do whatever I want. Boy, I'm Chris okayacay. Tonight's meditation will help you calm your mind, and I'm like eating Coca bora licorice. I can't Chris Okake. Has anyone ever heard of him? You know who's famous on here? She's very, very, very meditation famous to me Tomorrow Levitt or Timer Levit. Okay, ready, listen to her voice. Welcome back to day five of the seventy Yes, Queen sleeping. It's just her like mallifluous, melodic, fluid voice. Excellent. Okay, Well,
those are my people. They're famous. I didn't know some of them were famous in the world.