Adrianne (spicy as a) Curry!

Hi, how are you.

I'm good. How are you?

I'm good.

I'm sorry if I just went in the ocean because I was here for like Miami Swing Week and it was on.

Dude, you looked fucking amazing.

Thank you.

I appreciate hav Well. Look, I'm above forty. I know what it takes to keep your body snatched past that age. So you literally gave the young chicks a run for their money. And that's always fun, isn't it.

Well, I'm sure you've done that as well.

I don't care anymore, so I don't even try.

I've never cared. I don't.

I never cared. I don't like I was talking about it today. I did a post about like everyone's like, what do you do and what do you do? I don't.

I walk.

That's all I do is walk. I don't do weights. I don't go to the gym. I think people do too much and they like beat themselves up and it's like fear based. And I just feel like I look natural because I add natural. I just have always just wanted to walk and have a good relationship with food and exercise. And I think women are struggling and like beating the shit out of themselves trying to get to somewhere.

They really did love their bodies.

See I binge on the weekends and I kill myself in the gym, but I love it. But that's because I'm an addictive personality. So I had to find something healthy to do. And the healthy thing for me to do is to work out, and I really enjoy Like Saturdays, I'll eat like two pizzas and like six cinnamon rolls until I feel like it was Thanksgiving Day. I'm like

But that brings up a good point because that's your version of self regulation.

That's your version of your relationship with food.

If if you feel healthy about it, if it makes you feel good and you're not triggered by it or concerned by that's your version. For me, I organize. My addiction is organizing things. Everything has to be in order. It's like, you know, it's a response or it's as a result of my childhood, but like mine.

Is things in order.

But it was a lot of messages this weekend about all of this and women and the struggle and thirty year olds saying a lot of this, which is weird, Like a lot of thirty year olds saying you make me feel like I'm not I haven't peaked yet, and like I could have my era at any age. Like the woman who works for me is thirty one, and

Like so it hit two things at this end.

It hit the women that are your age saying wow, like look at like It just gave a perspective to age, which I think was unexpected by even me, by Sports Illustrated. I think it just like has become this thing that means so much more than what it actually was.

See you're like the uh, I guess the TikTok version of Dame Helen Mirren who peaked later on in life, and everyone's like, who's this hot bitch? Look at her? And I mean, she's started peaking hard and she's still peaking. She's in that mob show. She looks great. That's funny, That's right. Would not that be good?

Would you?

That's a good trajectory. Yeah, so maybe, but nothing's nothing of that was intentional. I'd just like to find the meaning and things, and so it cannot be just like walking down a runway. As you know better than anyone. And I asked, I wanted you.

I've never met you. I know who you are.

Remember you were on the show with it was it Greg Braid which Brady and you.

Were married, and that's what I remember.

You want to show you on Top Model and I'm so sorry, no, but that was that was a big media moment and I remember you from that and I've always remembered you as like a fun sort of wild model, and then I was just scrolling and I saw you talking about selling Avon And it was right after having Susan powder On here telling me that she was an uber driver in Vegas and delivered food to Louis c K's house, and like there was like this moment about like people who everybody saw a certain way in society

Yeah, it's interesting. So my season of Top Model, I was the only winner that won no money, zero dollars, Like.

What does that mean?

That means there was no money in my win I got, I got a title. Well, they lied to our season and then they voiceovered what Tyra was saying. They told us we were going to be a Revlon cover girl, and Revlon told me afterwards we had no intention of doing that. And then when it aired on TV, you can ask any girl from my season, They're like they

Oh my god.

Well wow, that's crazy because some of the girls. Was Kenley Collins on that or was she only a design show? There were some girls who come through my messages a lot because people from Project Runway and people with a model they get mixed in together with me. But like they reached out to me because of the Reality Reckoning and they're all like telling me all these crazy stories

You know what's really funny is everyone wanted me to dog pile on Tyra Banks when twenty twenty was happening and everyone was getting pissed, and I was like, no, because if anyone has a right to be mad at her. It's me and I'm over it. I don't give a shit anymore. What she taught me was the truth of entertainment. It's cutthroat. You can't trust everybody, and everyone is lying

Yeah, you could say that about the house So the thing I have to say about that is the game moves fast when you're the talent in that situation, and it's really the production company.

Totally, and she's part of it.

But like as a housewife, like we're moving drama, we're not thinking, you know, when when someone's calling, When Teresa's calling, Danielle saw a prostitution horror on national television.

She's not thinking about the.

Fact that Andy Cohen's gonna unwatch what Happens Live have that song like that sound like prostitution makes make rap songs out of it, and that it's gonna be at the Bravocon They're gonna have like a reenactment of Prostitution War.

There's a person that, no matter what.

She's done in her life, has two daughters that will see her as the prostitution War. That's like the production I think more not that Tyre wasn't part of it.

It was her show, but I'm.

Not even doing I don't know Tyra Banks, And all I'm saying is just interesting. The machine, it's a toxic machine where the ratings are by any means necessary ratings, right, any it does not matter what it takes to get there.

And you're right about the entertainment industry.

And now it's probably scario because you know, people don't watch as much because they're watching another phone.

Yeah, totally.

What do you think of all that I said? I may'd be wrong.

I want to hear because I didn't watch the show that much. The audience takes the drug and they're addicted. You know, you know John Ham and very famous people go on watch rapids live and last at these housewives shows that I was part of, that like do ruin some people's lives. Not everybody's, but there are a lot of casualties from these shows.

And you're you know, yes, I agree.

I went into post production on a show with Antonio Sopato Junior called Maya, Antonio and VH one because I wanted to learn the ends and outs and I wanted to be able to do post production work. And I did, and I helped vilify I wanted the contestants. Sure, she was kind of a villain, but I might have tweaked it a little bit to make her look worse. And I'll never forget it was the premiere party or the

Here's the problem. You put me on the Sports Illustrated show. You give me direction, you tell me you have fun. You go out there, you be yourself. I went out there. I danced like I was in my own bathroom. I understood the assignment. And even in lorel when I wear giraffes shoes and I walked down like a giraffe like they said, you do what you want to do.

I said, Okay.

My point is I show up on time and I always land it whatever it is, or I don't go. So you go on reality television. I'm on the housewise, I'm there to make shit happen. Other people are supposed to be there for the same reason. If you're Tinsley Mortimer, a very lovely, sweet girl, you get caught in the crossfire of what we're doing in the goal of this show. Get the fuck out of the way. You shouldn't be here. Then we're you know, we're here to kill people. So

That's what Hedi did, That's what Spencer did, That's what you know.

So it's really the responsibility is the teacher has to have some control over the classroom totally.

And that's why when people are like, well, aren't you mad at Tyra, I'm like, no, Tyra was a snake and a pit of vipers that learned how to survive exactly, So why would I be mad at her? For literally her entire life since she was like fourteen, she was in modeling, which is the viper pit of all viper pits. She is a product of her entire life, and I'm like whatever, Like she's just trying to breathe and live, so period.

Yeah, so you and also, you know, business is hard and being an entertainment person, being a talent and being a business person, being a creative and a business person is not easy. I mean, if you listen to Susan Powder talk about the fact that she sold it was three hundred million dollars and she's an uber driver because you're listening to people around you, it's the game is fast, so it's like we're doing this, we're doing that.

That sounds good.

You don't know where to go, and the person who says that saying that they're going to take care of you and handle it. You just want someone to handle it, so you sign up with someone and then they you know, it's what happens to the boy band.

So you never made any money? Like did you ever make any money? Like what happened? And what do you do for a living?

I mean I made enough money to pay Los Angeles bills, Like I was living in a shitty one bedroom apartment in Hancock Part that was twenty three one hundred dollars a month and it was like a closet, you know what I mean. So I made enough to survive. But I've never been like rich, and I'm cool with that, Like I'm totally fine. So when I was thirty two years old, I was tired of being touted as a

So, so you're soul crushing, you're warning yeah?

No.

Yeah. When I was young, and I remember my management, everybody was like, why are you acting like you're seventy years old? You have a solid ten more years to earn, And I'm like, yeah, but I'd feel like I'm gonna be losing my soul. So I said no to a

I get it, I yeah, but when you jump, you fly. When you decide who you are and what you don't want to do, that was me leaving housewise, my whole life changed after I thought I was like sort of semi retiring and only gonna do this podcast at my philanthropy and the things that caught me appearances.

That come out of living in truth and walking out.

I ended up creating this career, which is awesome, crazy, but I wasn't even I didn't even try, and now I am leaning into it, but it's because of the truth of it. If I was like trying to be the last one on the House Lives noticed to take the big check, I was getting a lot of money. I would have been my soul would have been crushed. And while HSN is great, I didn't like doing it. I've never, once I've been somewhat successful, done anything that

Yeah, and basically I've been offered like reality TV show jobs at sure there's a paycheck, and yeah, I could really use that money, but at what costs? So I just said no. And then like a few years later, I was like, what am I going to do with myself? I thought I was going to be a personal trainer, But what I found after certifying is just a bunch of dudes that wanted to train with me, which I didn't find appropriate, Like me and my husband, like, that's

Avon's great. I saw their recent line.

They sent me their recent line of all like the vitamin C and like the packaging is amazing.

This stuff is good.

But I would imagine you could make I think you're laughing because you were actually making decent money, like good money selling it.

I was, I was until a few years ago when the economy just tanked into the ground. Like it's been a struggle. I'm trying to rebuild my little Avon empire. I'm not the top of Avon lady anymore. I'm getting my ass handed to me, and I think that's awesome. But wait, but did Avon reach out to you after your article. I'd imagine they wouldn't. Well, no, I mean we know each other like they know me. I know them. I'm in an independent rep basically, so I'm like, I

No wonder you said yes it did.

Podcast.

I think I s have a podcast. It's what I think you are very do.

I like the way you speak, your very articulate, and like your foughts that you're super polarizing an edgy but like make perfect sense.

I think you should have like a really I think you should have like an reverend podcast.

We'll see. I guess what. I like to call it decompressing from narcissistic traits, because my therapist said I wasn't a narcissist to go in there to be like, oh my god, I don't want to be a narcissist. She's like, well, then you're not, because no narcissist gives a shit about being a narcissist. But I feel like, I don't know, I don't I'm not chasing the dragon anymore of like relevancy, No.

I got it. I mean as a self expression, I don't do. I'm in a bathing suit, wet from the ocean. I just sat there for you. Oh, Like I'm excited to talk to her. When I talk about nothing, it does way better than when I talk to like a big time celebrity. Like the people just want to hear people express themselves, and you seem very honest.

So I feel like, well, I kind of like this, meaning like you don't have like a whole bunch of fucking like stage and bullshit. Like that's so much better I think, and life like you could do that.

I think that's what I'm saying you don't have feel like it doesn't have to be anything.

You should do it yourself.

And why do I feel like no one would give a fuck?

Though you never know.

If twenty people listen and give a fuck, maybe after this they'll give a fuck. But we'll find out. You ask my team what the people in the comments said. Guys in the comments, do you like this? And do you give a fuck? Okay, so what do you think about modeling now? Like? What is modeling? So you go out like, so I didn't understand. I thought, let's use sports ollsced as an example. Let's talk about Victoria's Secret, and let's talk about you know what modeling is now?

So there's like there's so many.

Different roads in now and then now there's more inclusivity, and so at Sports Illustrated this weekend, I was asking the different women like I didn't understand the process. So, like I said to this girl at this club, I said, so, like, and how long have you been doing this? And she's like, I auditioned for five years and I finally got it. And I'm like, You're like, are you a model?

Like model to begin with?

She's like, no, I'm a fitness My mom is Denise Austin, and I'm a I teach videos and I do like fitness and diet like eating coach.

I go oh, And I was like, oh.

So you're like quote unquote a regular person that auditioned. And then there was another woman I think it's Tonday and she's a peloton and stru so I didn't understand like the way and another woman said at forty years old, she got it. So that's like a very unique way that these women are saying like I'm a model, So like I always say I'm a super model, I think I actually am now because if the girl who's the fitness person and whatever.

I'm a model too.

Now you know it's depending on the household names. So I guess you could coin yourself that. Janie Dickinson just told everyone choose the world's first supermodel, and now that's how everyone knows there. So just own it, say it and make it so right.

But I mean it's because when I was growing up, like you had to be. Kate Moss was disruptive because she was five seven, Like that was disruptive. Like that was like you had to be. There was a wool, you had to be over five to nine.

None of this would have happened in my day. I'll tell you. I've sat in Wilhelmina Models during the open calls waiting for my you know, sheet of where I was going to do go season the day, and I would hear the agents talking about girls. If you came in there and notice filler in your face or plastic surgery, goodbye. They wanted to wow natural only. So I would say ninety percent of the people modeling today, when you have

Well Inton had his face between her tea.

Yes, So it was like elitists like they wanted natural goddesses that looked like an alien, beam them down and they would take no less.

So if you get that, But the reason I get that is because Lebron has a god given talent. Yes he's worked on it, but he has a god given talent. So what I guess, what I'm saying is if I'm little girl you know who is, think she's overweight or not like traditionally thin or short or broken out or has a birthmark in her face, says I want to be a model?

What is she saying she wants to be? What is a model?

Now?

Because I don't even necessarily have a problem with the fact that they were all aliens that were stunning, because that Lebron's an alien too, and there's nothing wrong with that, like, it's just what it is. A jockey. You're born shorter. You cannot be a six foot jockey in the in the in the Kentucky Derby.

So I'm still yeah, Well, it's like if if in the industry becomes something anyone can do, then as you're saying, what is it anymore, like if anyone could be an NFL player, if anyone could be in the NBA, Like if I can maybe hit one basket out of a whole game because God blessed me with that one basket and then I sucked the rest of the time. Like I don't know anymore.

Pat, do you tell your daughter, yes you can be a model, because what is she think she wants to be?

What is famous? Just famous? I think relevant? Chasing the dragon of that fifteen minutes of glory, I think. But I mean, honestly, you know.

But but as Sports Illustrated Swims model, I can tell you now what that is and what that is now because I was there and I was shocked and you would be shocked by it.

I was back.

So this is my experience. I come in. I don't know. I know there's a magazine that every year.

I think it was in February would have all these gorgeous women, and I remember Kathy Island was also disruptive because she was super like forty like and they were pushing the envelope with different types like then I guess later I think it was Kate Upton and she was more curvy, and I was like, wait, wow, that wasn't what we grew up with, the model and so they started pushing the envelope. But then years later you'd see like other people and I never understood, like what I just wasn't.

It just wasn't. I wasn't the audience for I don't understand it.

So now I'm there and I'm backstage, and I think, like everyone's what I used to think was a model, Like there's a swimsuit model.

So I think everybody's gonna.

Be five nine, five ten and blonde and sin and look like everybody's gonna look the same. So I'm like, we oh, we're your sport, you're a peloton.

Oh.

So I'm like everyone there was so into themselves in the best possible way.

Like like it was contagious. It was like it was the embodiment.

Of like I love my body, I love my ass, I love my curves, I love my lines, I love my my cell like and it was like they picked women, but who could rock something? Like? Who could rock something despite not being traditionally tall, short, sin, whatever.

You're s I think it works for lingerie and bikinis, but I'll tell you, as someone who used to be like, oh, like someone shorter could model like a beautiful evening gown, it's harder to model things as not a five to eleven person because all of a sudden, the instead of the dress wearing the model and the dress being on display, it becomes about the model and not the dress. Now with bikinis you want to and lingerie you want to show it on bodies to you know, show women you're

That brings it back.

So being a model originally was the people that were chosen to highlight the clothes because of the sizes, like the samples.

So right, okay, so make sense.

And these women are showcasing all of this swimen different body tapt. I loved it, and I think they did an amazing job of bringing us to twenty twenty five without it being performative and girl Boss and BS where those people go backstage, were like there to help you succeed. The girls wanted me to win and do better than them, Like I never saw anything like it. It's the opposite of what you experienced. Like there are these girls like, no, you're not going to tip your hat at the end.

I'm jealous. You guys actually looked like you had fun. We were modeling for me was not fun and you didn't get to walk down the runway having a good time. You were expected to do a certain thing. Oh and it was competitive. This was like the opposite. This was shocking more than the show itself.

That was what I thought was a beautiful thing for my daughter who's fifteen now, and her body came in and she's not used to this spine and she's got a woman's spot.

Like for women that like that to be like.

No, you own that body, that you were given like I just you like they I'm fifty four, they were. Most of the girls were in her twenties, so it was like it was very It's great that I'm talking to you right now after this experience. It's like poetic because it was the opposite of what you experienced. To be honest, would that be more opposite of what you experienced on America's next topic.

I think it's awesome. And I've always been of the belief that when it comes to lingerie and bikinis that you should show a piloth of different body shapes and how these garments are gonna make them look. You know what I mean?

Yeah, make true too.

That makes sense because these two garments are all about the body and accentuating it. So when you would put rail thin chicks in it, like I've I've always had boobs, except for now because I had an X plant. Let's not get into that. I lost a lot of my natural breast, But prior to that one, it's my real

Well let's talk about that going into swimsuit season, which is such an insecure time for people walking into a dressroom.

I want to say this.

I am the person I have never put a song on in my entire life, and I wear mostly one pieces now.

Because I just do.

I because I feel in my mind a construct like I'm looking like that desperate older woman trying to cling on and wear a bikini.

My best friend's like, I don't know why with your body you're not wearing bikinis. I'm like, I don't know.

I just like the elegance of it and the saying I know my age and I know.

Where I am, et cetera.

So let's park that because I do like like that, and that is part of who I am where I would never put on a thong. That's how I feel, right, I agree with you. So I have a certain construct about who should wear what, including myself. After this show, I swoart to that there was a bathing sit they gave us that was a thong one piece. I was gonna wear it today, not because like I'm trying to show up. I was just going on my beach walk.

Your ass string.

Yeah exactly, that's the difference. So so I go, I go okay, and I'm laughing because it's a joke. And I put it on and I start to put the top on it. I'm like, wait what And I come out and that's when they're like, we're giving this bitch a third look because we.

All I don't think any of us thought. And I was like, okay.

And when I was at that show, there were evy girls rocking little bikinis, and I thought it looked great. But I would never have if I was shopping with those girls, I wouldn't have suggested that they put those on because of the constructs that we've had. And I swear after that show, I thought, like every freaking girl and every size wearing a bikini, wear whatever you want. It felt they really landed for me. Was I have a different feeling about it now.

You know what's funny is one, I haven't more on a song and so long, i'd be terrified that all I would do is pick my butt publicly because I would feel something that's a functional problem. Yeah. And then two, I'm so over being looked at in that way that I would just cover my ass because I don't want anyone to look at me.

Yeah.

No, And I would understand if someone wasn't, I guess objectified the way I was for that long. And they're like feeling themselves now that they'd want to get a little taste of that. The thing is, I ate from that table. It's not that good. I'm good. I'm over it. I could wear it.

You had an identity that was based on showing your look. So that's truah, and that makes a perfect sense to me. Yeah. I just mean, as I raised a fifteen year old daughter, I'm thinking of things completely differently, and I just if I can only give her one thing, it would be like that she would be backstage with me and like walking down that runway to like see how those girls like love their body whatever it is, Like it was

Yeah, no, I have to agree. And again, when we're purchasing something that's supposed to accentuate our bodies and like the best of ways where you're like half naked, it's nice to see all different body types showing you what this stuff will look like on your body, as opposed to this inhuman alien that's been shot down from the planet Zultron with this perfect body that you know none of us can obtain or we don't have like, if you have hips, you want to see somebody in something

But also to the point of the era that you came up in of being a vapid, vacant lookoff and gazed and don't have fun and don't dance, and you're not human, You're a hangar, I would say, honestly speaking with the long hair I had and the glazel over my body and the bathing suits and a song. I just walked down that runway like in some version where I rocked it as like a model, Like just walking, what are you going to costume trying to be a model? I was myself having fun, Like what I looked like

Here was funny. It's personality driven now, like influencers and all this stuff, it's all personality driven. I was told in modeling that I need to tone it the fuck down, that it's not about me or who I am, just shut the fuck up and do my job. And that's when I went into more reality TV and I went and did the Surreal Life because I was like, fine, I'll go and make money being who I am since you people think I need to shut the f up

Okay? So that's what I think the real difference is.

That's what I think, and I actually think fashion should take a note out of this book. So here's what I think. Like, I do not I can afford anything I want. I don't have a stylist. Now, I think I dress fairly well. If I want to go out

Always shot my own closet.

So now people who get invited to the met Gala, oh or fashion icons are people whose stylists choose their entire look head to toe. Now a little assistance is something calling a designer's one thing. But there are people who do not dress or seem anything like what they used to look like, because they are now dressed as a stylist like painting.

And I don't think that that's fashion.

And what's interesting is that Anna Wintour herself has basically said, and so Tom Ford talked about it too, that he used to like what the mcali used to be versus like now it's like a theatrical performance.

Yes, which I do get.

I get that because it's expressive and Rihanna comes out and it's drama.

I get that.

But the people whose personal fashion style is based on a stylust that end up getting invited as a result of that, to me, that doesn't make any sense because it's not that person, you know.

It's it's comic con for famous people where they all cosplay things that they're not. That's what I see. It's a bunch of cos players that are famous dressing up as characters that they are not. And I mean, I agree with you. I a mess when people would wear shit that spoke to who they were and now it's just like very hunger games.

And I think fashion should make the adjustment that modeling has into it being someone's personal style and you get to see what they would do, like what the person chooses on their own, not that they go hire someone. That should be That should be illegal, like the way you know what I mean, that should be like you get you get points out for that, like.

Anna, because Anna Wintour doesn't dress like that.

She herself wears the same couple of episodes and she's got a personal style that is hers, it's timeless.

It's what her style is.

And so she has said before someone should dress in a way to speak to them, like she's been quoted. I don't know what the exact quote is or many times, but like that, it's natural to them, So it's it's contradictory.

Yeah, I think everyone's just turned into a stage performer. It's like Steven Tyler and money wears on stage like no one. I don't know. I think I always hated the word influencer, but I guess it's the modern day reality stars. People on social media. They are stealing the thunder from celebrities because celebrities are still faking everything and they don't know who they are inside, and then the

That's what exactly. Yeah, you should have a pot. Yeah exactly. That's exactly how I feel. And that's exactly where the universe met me where I am because that's what I've always been, and I think that that's that's that's how citizen's journalism is started. That's my mainstream celebrities with the script and the gloss and the shine. It's not working because you can't pr your way out of life anymore.

Unless your Tom Cruise is working for Tom Well, he has.

Very specific roles and he doesn't talk that much about other things besides the roles and the work.

So yeah, that's exactly.

Well. Wow, I could talk to you forever. I think you're amazing. So this was thank you, a great.

Conversation, fellow reality og.

Yes, very very good to talk to you. My instincts were right about talking to you.

I like you a lot. I think you're really smart and very honest.

So saying I hope to speak to you again, I hope Avon calls you and gets you involved in a bigger way. That's what I'm manifesting for you, and I hope you do a little like garage band podcast for you. For anyone else, I just like, just talk to a couple of people.

I don't know. I just think you should. That's what I think.

It's it doesn't matter what I think, but it matters what you think. So it's so nice talking to you and meeting you, and hope you man you too.

Bye lady.