Following the Missouri with Larry Campbell

Back in the summer of 2016 , larry spent seven weeks traveling by car from the river's source at Three Forks , montana , all the way to its meeting point with the Mississippi in St Louis . Along the way , he didn't just discover history and scenery , he found a friend in the river itself .

Join us as Larry shares stories from this fascinating adventure and the connection he formed with one of America's greatest rivers . Welcome to Journey with Jake . This is a podcast about adventure and how , through our adventures , we can overcome the challenges of life that come our way .

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After all , it's not all about the destination as it is about the journey . Hello everyone and welcome to the show . I'm Jake Bushman , host of Journey with Jake . Today , I have the pleasure of introducing you to Larry Campbell , author of Rolling Down the River Discovering People and Places Along the Mighty Missouri .

In our conversation , larry shares the story of his seven-week adventure down the Missouri River and he likes to describe it fascinating and , trust me , it really is . Before we dive in , just a quick reminder if you haven't already , make sure you're subscribed to the podcast wherever you listen . You can also watch full episodes on YouTube .

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I didn't know much about the Missouri River before speaking with Larry , but his stories really opened my eyes to the beauty , history and spirit of this iconic waterway . If you enjoy this episode , I also recommend checking out episode 156 with Chris Nance , where we talked about life on the Mississippi River .

All right , let's jump into my conversation with Larry Campbell . All right , I'm excited . Today I have Larry Campbell with me . Larry , welcome to Journey with Jake .

I didn't know much about the Missouri River I did a little investigation on it a little bit but I'm excited to hear even some facts about the Missouri River and things like that , plus just your adventure and who you are .

Before we jump into your whole adventure that you did that summer , I want to know a little bit about who you are , kind of some of your background , where you're from , kind of where you grew up and what you've been up to .

I grew up near Kansas City , went to a small liberal arts college and I don't want your viewers to turn and run before they hear but I was a math major and I taught for 35 years at two different colleges and universities in math and math education . So I retired a while ago , that's all I'll say .

And I retired a tiny bit early because I still felt like I was young enough to do some other things and I didn't know what those other things were yet . And in , oh , sometime around 2015 , I got a phone call from a friend , a friend of a friend , who said I got a book you might want to look at or read .

There's a gal that followed the Mississippi from start to finish and she lives here in Springfield , which is only about an hour north . It's a really good book and I can remember at that time . I remember the thought passing through my head wouldn't it be fun to do that on the Missouri ? And I thought it was just a passing thought .

Well , it passed , but it came back , grabbed me by the throat and just you know , kind of yelled at me until I started following through . So I started writing letters to chambers of commerce along the river , got a lot of good responses . A lot of them were even willing to put me up if I would visit their town . So that's how it got started .

I may have gotten into that too early . I'd be glad to tell you any more of the boring details of my pre-life if you want .

And , like I say , I just thought it was a wouldn't that be fun type of thought . And the more it kept sticking around . My son , who is the real adventurer , heard about that and could tell I was semi-serious and kind of kept a foot in my rear to move me along and offered to help some .

So before I knew it , it was to move me along and offered to help some . So before I knew it , it was summer of 2016 and I was headed north and then west out to Montana to get started .

You didn't just say I'm just going to go and drive along and see where I end up . You kind of had some plans .

So I reached out and , like I said , I got a really good response from Chambers .

It was almost more of a matter of picking the ones that would be a nice distance apart and so on , as opposed to trying to scramble up things , and particularly those particular river towns and cities of all sizes , I might add , all the way down , all the way from St Louis and Kansas City , all the way down to not quite villages but almost , as I say , about

half of them not only said we'd be happy to host you , you know , and we will even put you up in our fill in the blank . That was fun . Put you up in our fill in the blank , that was fun . And once I got that settled , then I started setting out and planning and setting some dates and when I'd arrive .

And that's both good news and bad news , like I started to say , because I did want to have some time to explore on my own kind of in each city , and that's a fine balance , because some of the towns were so wonderfully eager to help that they had things all planned for me you need to go talk to this guy , you need to see this spot

, and so on . So there were a couple of times that I actually had to say I appreciate that , but I'd like to be out for a half a day on my own exploring . So it worked out pretty well .

You can't just , you know , if you're lined up with 27 cities which I was and you're arriving at one city on day X , you can't show up on day X plus one , and so on . So you've got a little bit of structure there , but within those cities and that structure I tried to build in some time to explore on my own or do what grabbed me or whatever .

So it turned out to work fairly well .

I can't remember and part of that depends on something I'll probably get into later where the real source of the river is , but I left myself some time to get out there and I started from Three Forks , montana , which is where the official source of the river is , on July 31st , slash August 1st , and then it took me 51 days , which is a little over seven

weeks from start to finish , to make it all the way down to where it flows into the Mississippi , near St Louis , just north of St Louis .

She was really good about it . It's your adventure . You possibly have a book coming out of it , which I did , and you should go by yourself . But she was very supportive from the sidelines .

In fact , there were a couple of times early on , when I was still in Montana and looking at six and a half weeks ahead of me , that I wondered what have I got myself into ? And she was very good also about , you know , kicking me in the rear and saying you're going to do this . It was , you know , it'll be a lot of fun and you'll look back on it .

So , yeah , that worked well . That's a good question .

I kept a weekly report , kind of thing that I had .

That just was so counterintuitive to me and for , in fact , of the five cities I was in Montana , I was still going north on four of them . And the reason that enters is because when Lewis and Clark were on that stretch of the river they were then going south and this was they were approaching their second winter on the river .

They were still looking to get to the end of the river , find the Shoshone Indians , get some ponies and get west over the mountains . Before they either froze or starved to death . They were not in an exploring mood when they finally got to Three Forks . Three Forks in Montana gets its name because that's where three tributaries come together at once .

Typically , lewis and Clark would explore every confluence that came up , because and that's another story we may or may not get into there was a time they almost took the wrong fork and so they didn't really have time to explore there in that real sense of finding out where the river really starts .

Their approach was to actually just name all three creeks , tributaries , whatever . There was the Jefferson and the Madison . I forgot the third one . It's just gone . But Jefferson and Madison were both in the . I mean Jefferson was the president sent them . Madison was in the cabinet . The other person was too , and that name has slipped my mind cabinet .

The other person was too , and that name has slipped my mind . Yeah , so that was their approach . So it turns out that the Middle Fork is actually the real Missouri . I mean , you have to follow that for another 150 miles and I really wanted to see that . So I set aside a half a day while I was in Three Forks .

It's a good thing Lewis and Clark didn't explore that , because it took me most of a morning to get up there and it's over 150 miles , but I did find a little . Finally , something's called Hell Roaring Creek , where the water has come down out of the mountains and that's the real start of the Missouri . That also gets into some of the questions .

It's so close in length to the Mississippi and , depending on the numbers that you have , that gets into the argument about which river is actually longer , because if you add 150 to 200 miles of the real river , then the Missouri is longer . Some people will say the Mississippi is longer , if you don't add that .

They , you know , joined into the Mississippi and but I didn't know much about the Missouri river . I knew the state of Missouri . I did not even realize that it starts in Montana . I had no idea .

But again , it just floored me . It flows , it flows north to start , and by the time it turns east , over to the Dakotas , you're within , almost always within 50 to 125 miles of Canada , so it's just different .

And then it goes over and flows straight down through the middle of the Dakotas and then it borders Kansas and Missouri and Iowa and Nebraska , and then Kansas City cuts hard to the east , over to St Louis , on its last few miles through my state .

I had to decide am I going down the river looking at Lewis and Clark sites , or am I going down the river , exploring the river itself and taking the Lewis and Clark sites as they happen to come up , if that makes sense ? And I finally decided no , I'm following the Missouri River , and places of Lewis and Clark will just be icing on the cake .

Well , you can't go 10 feet on the Missouri River without running into Lewis and Clark . So I developed just a . You know , when you're in fifth grade and you study that kind of stuff , it's interesting then too . But to be at some of these places and realize , you know , lewis and Clark walked here , it's just a really fascinating feeling .

And I , you know I've got three or four stories to go with that , but it was just amazing . It starts out as kind of a joke , but the truth to it , I mean , is surprising . Mean is surprising .

Almost every time I'd come into a town it seems like there would be a plaque somewhere in town that said the Lewis and Clark adventure almost ended here , because and there was so much truth to all of that , I mean one time in particular it's actually called the Bad River , but where the Bad River flows into Missouri , in Pier and Fort Pier , south Dakota , there

was a huge close call with the Sioux Indians . I mean , lewis and Clark had been worried about them before they left . They're the most aggressive of all the tribes . There was some concern about whether they'd even let them continue on the trip , and I won't go into a lot of detail unless we have time later . But the trip really did almost end there .

It got to the point where they met with three tribes , took them back to the shore Somehow . The Indians were insulted , either by a language misunderstanding or thinking that gifts that Jefferson had for them were trinkets . All of a sudden the Indians had drawn their arrows . The cannons were set up on the ship . I mean , the guns were set up on the ship .

It could have ended right there and luckily one of the Indian chiefs stepped in and Black Buffalo and calmed things down . They still held them , so to speak , for two days before they let them go on , and so there's all kinds of stories like that and all kinds of places .

Vermilion , south Dakota , a place called Spirit Mound , is just a huge hill in the middle of nowhere . It's one of the places that we know for sure that Lewis and Clark walked because it's in their journal , and when I came through South Dakota they said you've got to see that place . So I stopped and looked , but I had made a rotary presentation .

So I was in my nicer clothes not my river exploring clothes and I looked at one of the interpretive plaques and it said Lewis and Clark were here on such and such a date I think it was August 12th , but I couldn't be wrong .

But I noticed that I was there as I was going through to Sioux City , iowa , which was only an hour away , and Lewis and Clark were there three days on the calendar after I was there .

So I got down to Sioux City and three days later I came back up and , with my exploring clothes , stood on the mound 212 years to the day that Lewis and Clark stood there . So it's just all kinds of stories like that .

It's really amazing to see some of these historical places that we read about when we're kids or if we get an interest when we're adults and explore more . That was a fascinating part of the trip . Yes , as you know from where you are out in Utah . I mean , that wasn't the end of Lewis and Clark's trip .

They had to get over the mountains , they had to get on the Columbia , they had to get out to the Pacific before they came back , but still it was just amazing .

And then it comes to life , when you're actually there and you're in those spots , yeah , what does that do for you when you're standing in the spot and you think to yourself this is Lewis and Clark were here the same spot on the same day 212 years ago . What does that do for you ?

It's not very high , it's not very wide on top , so you can be sure that you're probably stepping on a place that Lewis and Clark stepped on . But the rest of them are still kind of amazing in the plaques that are there and all of the different museums and stuff that go with that . So it was a huge chapter and adventure in our history and they made it .

As you probably know , they made it all the way out and back and only lost one person for three years , which is just amazing .

There were two or three places that I just realized . This journey of discovery , Lewis and Clark's crew was just an amazing crew . They were gritty , they were creative , they were tough . That stuff I just never even thought about .

You know that kind of thing . But out there in Montana it's just so incredibly beautiful because it starts as a little stream but it gets to be fairly quickly a small river .

But combine that with the incredible beauty that's out there in Montana and the way watching how the river grows or grew when I was doing it was part of the fun and fascination that I hadn't realized would happen . I mean , you know the Mississippi , you start on it and you just go straight south , for you know the whole duration .

But the Missouri goes all over the place , it winds , it goes north , it then goes east , then it goes south , then it goes back east again , blah , blah , blah , and watching it grow was just fascinating . There was a time in Fort Benton , which was already three , four cities in , I was out walking one morning and I got to kind of a nature-y type area .

Nature-y type area and I looked up and there was a deer standing there in the river just kind of looking at me . We looked at each other and finally , you know it decided I've had enough of this guy . So it turned around and bounded off into the river and I thought I've never seen a deer swim . I didn't know they could Well dang Jake .

It never did know they could Well dang Jake , it never did . It bounded all the way across the Missouri , never got more than knee deep . I mean , that's how shallow it is . In a lot of the early parts of the river it can be very wide or narrow , but it's almost always shallow most of the time . So watching that grow was interesting . So that's one

interesting thing . Another really interesting thing about the river is well , there are three places on the river where the river goes through a town , a big city . That essentially makes it two cities , and two of those three times they're states .

There's Omaha and there's Council Bluffs Iowa , Omaha , nebraska essentially one big city , but the river goes right through it . So it's in two states and you can probably guess the other one Kansas City , missouri and Kansas City Kansas . It's just all one huge metropolitan area but the river goes right through it . Well up in the Dakotas .

When I was in Pierre and Fort Pierre and again that's another story , luckily I found out in North Dakota that they pronounced that Pierre when I was studying in fifth grade I thought , you know , we thought it was Pierre and that's the capital of South Dakota , but anyway it's Pierre .

It splits a smaller city into Pierre and Fort Pierre and it's not two different states . But I'll be darned if it isn't a time , it isn't a time zone line . Pierre , the capital , is in the central time zone . Fort Pierre , across the river , is in the mountain time zone . Fort Peer , across the river , is in the mountain time zone . That's fascinating that .

The way they handle that , it turns out , is that they stay on central time in the whole you can't really call it a metroplex but in the whole city , except for two fascinating exceptions . One of them is when they're voting . The polls stay open at the times in their respective time zones and the other one is bar closings .

They stick with it the time at bar closings , I don't know why , maybe so that they can dash across the river and get another hour .

But up there in Pierre and Fort Pierre it's extremely interesting because the Pierre side , well , it's a state capital .

It happens to be the second smallest state capital , but it's a state capital , but it's a state capital , so it has a kind of a what can you say a metropolitan , cultural , political feel , whereas Fort Pierre , on the other side , is extremely proud of its Western heritage . You can tell they're two entirely different cities .

The Casey Tibbs Rodeo Center is in Fort Pierre National . I mean , casey Tibbs is I didn't know this but he's apparently to rodeo what Babe Ruth was to baseball , and so he's over there and there's all kinds of history involving everything you can think of , actually of a Western heritage , and you can tell the difference between the two cities .

You know , when I get on things like this I use the word fascinating too much , but it's just fascinating .

So he was one of them and he took me out for a drive in yeah , this was South Dakota , took me out where Dances with Wolves was filmed . So you know , if you saw that , you know how wide open that area is . And he made two interesting comments , and the second one gets to what you're talking about .

The first one he said yeah , he said people that say there's nothing to see out here , don't know what they're looking at , which I thought was really kind of interesting . And as soon as he said that I could feel it . I mean this is beautiful , wide open , miles , wide open country that you almost can't see anywhere else in the country . It's just big .

I mean you look for words . But the other thing he said is exactly what you asked . He said the river that goes through the Dakotas here . It may not be a continental divide , but it's a cultural divide . He said one side of the river is ranchers , the other side of the river is farmers , all the way down .

And he said it's just an interesting cultural divide . So that's what you're speaking to . It wasn't really not in a particular city , this was just all the way down to the Gulf and even into Montana .

I mean , when I made this trip I was prepared for the scenery , I was prepared for the history , I was a little prepared for the culture , but I wasn't prepared for the wonderful people I met all up and down the river .

So that's what led to this 12 , not human interest I call them human treasure stories and I felt bad trying to pick 12 , but people that were just special or who had done something neat or you know , fill in the blank . And almost all of those spoke in some way to the culture of that area .

I knew I'd see different things clearly than Missouri or even Southwest Missouri and the Ozarks , but 2,300 miles and it just was never very much the same other than the river .

I don't want you to just give them all away , but maybe an example of one or two of these people and kind of especially like the difference from Montana to Missouri . I mean there's got to be some difference there .

And the dog was just a normal sheep herding dog . His name was Shep Its owner . They lived up outside of Fort Benton . The owner got sick and died and the family back east wanted the body . So Shep followed the coffin down to the train . They loaded the coffin on the train , took off .

Shep followed that train for quite a while and then came back and then Jake , every day For five years that dog showed up at each of the four trains entering that day , checking everyone that got off for its owner . And it was a couple of years before the conductor or the people at the station actually realized this was going on .

They don't know where it stayed . They finally got it to take some food , but it wouldn't take food for a while , but it would show up every day and the story got spreading . So it turned out that people would come from back east a little bit . I don't know how far it come just to Fort Benton just to see Shep greet the train .

So when Shep finally died , which was on a cold day in January , slipped on the ice and was on the tracks and was hit by the train , some people think the dog actually just gave up because it never found its owner by this time the story was so big . The town had a funeral for it . The Boy Scouts were the pallbearers . There's a statue to the dog .

The dog was buried up on a hill overlooking Fort Benton . So that was one of the . I felt like I could stretch that to a human treasure .

And he has built endless scale models of the various ships that Lewis and Clark used and he's got some of them . They're in this museum . It's not just him , but there's a local Lewis and Clark museum there that has features all the boats and he's made them . And almost any time you run into a scale model of a Lewis and Clark boat he probably made it .

There's one in Boonville , missouri , for heaven's sakes . That surprised me when I got back to my state in the middle of the state . So he's just a fascinating character and reading that story will be fun for people . I'm pausing here because I'm going to insert a story .

I'm not sure about time , but it isn't one of the 12 stories , but one of the most interesting stops on there . I didn't really have a favorite stop , and that's not just being diplomatic , it was , they were just all different . One of the most surprising stops for me is when I rolled into Atchison , kansas . It was the only Kansas town I stayed in .

It's right on the river . There's a

beautiful picture on the back cover of the book of the bridge that's lit up in a way that reflects on the river in such a way that they've got the red , white and blue lights on the bridge , so it looks exactly like an American flag on the Missouri River at night .

I got there and there are a lot of stories about Atchison , but I was sitting watching a presentation and I heard a name that sounded familiar to me . Long story short , it turns out that my great-great-grandfather was one of the 13 co-founders of Atchison , kansas . So that was the unique surprise of the whole trip for me .

I mean , that just blew my mind , and the Atchison people were so delighted they had a historian there that helped me track it down and make sure it really was my great-great-grandfather . So that was that , but another one of the treasures . I forget exactly the town , but I was just getting into .

Well , actually I was about to leave South Dakota and I had a stop that I had planned fell through , so I stayed at a bed and breakfast there . And again , the name has deserted me right now . It's a very small town , but it was so fun to be there . It was a farm and these two people that hosted that were at the Airbnb . She was from Switzerland .

Long story , she'd been a foreign exchange student , blah , blah , blah , and so she ended up back here . It was so fascinating because I felt kind of like , in some sense , the ugly American , because I almost said I mean , I was fascinated . She loved South Dakota and I hope I was tactful .

But I asked you know what's somebody from Switzerland doing in South Dakota and loving it , you know ? And she laughed and she said you know , I get that a lot . But she had the most interesting perspective . She said , yeah , Switzerland is , you know , we all know it's beautiful , but all of that part of Europe is .

She didn't use the word scrunch together , but she said I can't get out in the wide open like I can . Here I can't see the sunset , and indeed every night she had a bench and she called it her sunset bench . She was out .

There's even a picture in the book sitting there watching the sunset and I had never thought about the fact that that's an interesting perspective . I mean , now she has the room to go where she wants watch the sunset . It's so wide open , totally different than Switzerland , but I think somehow it's almost a greener grass grass greener perspective .

You know , those of us in the United States would love to go to Switzerland and it is beautiful . I've been there , but she had an entirely different perspective and that was most interesting . And my last night there she actually pulled out her guitar and sang and yodeled for me . So that was a fun group . I'm glancing here .

If you've got other questions , fire away . Otherwise I can tell you some more of these wonderful people .

I actually stood in the confluence there , but it was such a fascinating feeling because A , as you just said , the river had been my close friend for seven weeks and this particular site , that is , the confluence of the two rivers , was the site I had to wait the longest to see .

I had to wait , you know , over 50 days to see the end of the river , and yet it was also my last day on the road and I also knew that , you know , four and a half hours from now I can be down I-44 and be home after seven weeks .

So there was this strange pull between having to leave a really close friend , even if it was a river , and knowing that I could be home about the time the sun set . So , yeah , it was fascinating .

In fact , I had planned to stay a day or two in St Louis , but as I got closer , I just started dropping a day off Washington , missouri , which is the last place I stayed before St Louis . I finally decided I can do everything I want to do in St Louis in one day and then I can be home . So I did .

I hate to confess this , but one of the things that I loved that will make people roll their eyes is I loved all the bridges over the river . I have pictures of almost every bridge over the river .

So I had it planned that I could cross all five bridges in St Louis that cross the river , still get to see the confluence , go down and get my classic picture of the St Louis Arch and then have actually had lunch with my sister who of the St Louis arch , and then have actually had lunch with my sister who lives in St Louis and then headed down home .

So you hit that right on the head . It was just a fascinating feeling . That just torn ?

Partly I guess maybe there was some sadness because I was leaving a good friend , but there was also this achievement and also this desire to know that I can be home this evening .

Oh , affected your life since ?

There's a section on the cities I visited seven states and 27 cities . There's side trips , there's a section on Lewis and Clark and there's a section on the human treasures . So I finished that and so then it was out there .

Well , then you start contacting rotaries and libraries and all of them are as interested in the trip as the fun we're having here , and so I enjoyed doing that , because every time I did it I got to take the trip again . So yeah , I have , indeed it's been with me more than I realized over nine years .

But I think the thing that sticks with me is it was just I don't know how to say this I expected the adventure . I already told you . You know , I knew the scenery there'd be scenery . I knew there'd be . You know , blah , blah , blah . I just didn't realize it was going to be the adventure of a lifetime with a capital A . It just was amazing .

It's hard to describe , but yeah , so it has stuck with me in a variety of ways .

But I had also touched base with her before I left and I knew that she had written this book and her publisher was in eastern Missouri over near St Louis . So I actually did contact those people before I left and they were interested , said yes , that would go well with Gail's book . You know we won't make any promises but contact .

So and I had already decided . I mean that actually came up after I had decided I'm going to make this trip . So I knew I was going to make the trip book or not .

But when I got back , like I say I'm a camera nut and people say I take good pictures and I have a good eye and I don't really view myself as a photographer , but I had the pictures and I and I kept not a very good one , but I kept a log and it had just enough information at each city that I .

I mean there's it's not a huge book , a couple of hundred pages or something coffee table style . So I didn't . I didn't spend a long time talking about each city , so I had enough in my notes to do that , hit the high points and the interesting points and so on . So it developed pretty quickly and it has done fairly well ,

so I'm pleased about that . I didn't take it for the book , if that makes sense . I took the trip for the trip .

I'm not a professional writer , but people say they felt like they were on the trip with me , so I view that as- .

Yeah , it's called that and there's a subtitle . It's something like . I don't remember it . Well , yes , I do remember it exactly Discovering people and places along the mighty Missouri . So there it is . Yeah , if people are interested in it .

I'm not a salesperson and I don't twist arms , but if people are interested , I will give them a special Jake the Podcaster price and I will sign it for them and I will split the postage with them . If you want to have them contact me . It's fine to give out my email . I think you'd be able to put that on at the end of this , if you want .

And they can just email . In fact , I think you have my card and all the well . You have all the information . I don't care if you put my phone number either , so they can contact me . I'll be glad to hook them up . They can get it .

I mean , it's on Amazon , it's on most places and a lot of people like to do that , but if they contact me then I'll give them a better price . That's on Amazon and they can't get it signed on Amazon .

Thank you so much for joining me . But my last question I always like to ask people , because Journey with Jake it's about you , but it's also about adventure , and you had quite the adventure . So , in your mind , larry , what does the word adventure mean to you ?

Just shoot him an email His contact info is in the show notes or feel free to message me on Instagram or email at jakeatjourneywithjakenet and I'll gladly connect you with him . I just received my copy in the mail and let me tell you it's a beautiful book filled with great stories and stunning photos .

One that really stuck with me was about Shep the dog such a touching reflection . I can't recommend this book enough . You can also learn more at his website , larryncampbellcom . And to all of you , my journey with Jakers . I'm still trying that one out . Thank you for tuning in each week . It truly means the world to me . If you're enjoying the show .

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