From the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a Journey to the Fringe. Treat us as a simulator to there. Now today is a Chelsea episode, so I don't have much of a segue from there, but Chelsea can take over from here and segue beautifully, I'm sure. No time to waste. I'm jumping right in with no segue. A near -death experience. NDE is a profound personal experience associated
with death or impending death. And positive, which the great majority are, such experiences may encompass a variety of sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, joy, the experience of absolute disillusion. review of major life events, the presence of light, and seeing dead relatives. While there are common elements, people's experiences and their interpretations of these experiences generally reflect their cultural,
philosophical, or religious beliefs. NDEs usually occur during reversible clinical death. We would have no way of otherwise knowing on irreversible clinical death. Wait, are they saying that there's... In clinics, they're putting people in death experiences and bringing them back? It's actually. It's kind of what it sounds like. It's science. It's science. Science does that, I assume. Explanations for NDEs vary from scientific to religious. Tons of people out there speculate on what it is.
Other things are like the brain releases DMT, so on. This episode isn't about that, so don't even worry about it. Worth noting that some transcendental and religious beliefs about the afterlife include descriptions similar to NDEs. Now, while many NDE 'ers consider their close brushes with death positive, 22 % report having negative near -death experiences. By this time you may think that we're talking about NDE's today. Which I did,
yes. be right okay but more specifically we're gonna be talking today about distressful negative NDEs and just what that looks like oh good it's gonna be terrifying I found out there's actually a lot of research out there on it not as much as regular NDEs those people don't like to talk about the negative NDEs stuff and so I had to par it down actually for this episode and I'm not going to get that much into the research
itself maybe a little bit. Today I want to focus on just what can be experienced and some of the NDEs themselves. With that being said let's talk about some of the scientific research. Most research into NDEs in the 1970s and 1980s focused on pleasant experiences. It wasn't until the 90s that wider attention to distressing NDEs began. The first modern description of a terrifying hellish NDE comes from Delacour's research in 1974. and they
described fiery pits and eyeless figures. It later may have been considered possibly fictional. That's Delacour for you. Then Rawlings1978, yes these are people I left out their first name, who described the hellish NDEs that they were looking into as hellish scenes with grotesque beings, violence and demonic torture. Noted High variability between what they're experiencing with these. Lindley et al, 1981, described extreme fear, panic, anger, and visions of demonic creatures.
Gallop and Proctor, 1982, which really sounds like a shampoo company. Yeah, it does. Rare reports with emotionless faces, confusion, discomfort, and fear of annihilation. Grey, 1985, explains intense fear, loneliness, mental anguish, and a hell -like experience with evil forces and demonic encounters. Atwater, 1992, describes negative NDE experiencers were experiencing cold, dark, violent settings with lifeless figures,
emotional distress, and a fight to survive. These guys all did research into these negative NDE experiences. Obviously, they don't sound good at all to be going through. Kinda shitty. Kinda shitty. Yeah. Really kinda shitty. And researchers ate melua and quinunin, used interpretive phenom - phenomenological analysis to deeply explore the personal meaning and lived experience of eight individuals who had distressing NDEs with a goal in mind to understand the themes that
emerged from their narratives. This is all very scientific. Let's take a look at the key themes identified from their research. So number one is fear, which was present in seven out of eight experiences. I don't know what the fuck was wrong with the last guy. That was the most common feeling. Number two is confusion, which appeared in three out of eight cases. People didn't understand what was happening, probably why it was happening as well, as we'll see in a theme that pops up
with the experiences. Number three, described in four out of eight cases, was a dark realm, often identified as hell. To be fair, that's probably cultural, is the problem. I was gonna comment that, yeah. All this is gonna be, okay. I don't know what, I would probably even consider it that if I was to see something like that. Yeah, but the thing is, that's cultural to us.
So unfortunately, unless we're getting things from other countries, say like Asia and Africa, we're not going to know if it's just be misinterpreting the same thing. because of our look. That's a very good point to bring up right now. This is a very American, North America point of view on this. Very. I did not look outside at all. Number four, which in three out of eight cases, they felt a judgment by God. They felt judged
as unworthy. The next is self judgment. Some judge themselves as unworthy in two out of eight cases. Number six is a loss of control they felt out of control and five out of eight experiences a minority two out of eight people had a sense of control During this huh number eight was a pleading for divine help Which is weird because one person is missing out of there. Maybe there's just no feeling of control either way Yeah, it sounds like it if I can do in my math, correct
this to equals seven. Yes Number eight, pleading for divine help reported in two out of eight experiences. Number nine, being rescued without asking also occurred in two of eight cases. And that finally the last one was feeling alone and rejected mentioned in two out of eight narratives. So that was the least common. I want to confirm that it sounds like pleading for help in those situations actually does pay off because two out of eight did it and then two out of eight
had divine intervention. But we'll never know if it's the same two out of eight. I choose to assume. While aspects of negative death experiences are similar to positive ones, they kind of have similar components just kind of on the opposite end of the spectrum. The negative end years relate a highly distressing experience. I think you've
gathered that by now. So they've also quantified the type of negative NDEs that have identified by the researchers doing this research, taking them all together and saying these are the core kind of experiences that people are having and if you're lucky on some of them I have examples to go with them. The first is called the inverse NDE, and this takes place when the common, pleasant features of near -death experiences are not at
all pleasant. For example, seeing a white light, as is common within regular, happy NDE, which is often a source of comfort and peace, light beings, floating sensation, etc. However, in the inverse NDE, the white light might appear threatening and bring on panic and depression. Researchers believe these NDE are due to a person being in shock at what's happening to them. This is the most common distressing NDE type. So let's talk specifics. I have a report by a 27 year
old woman. quote suddenly i became aware that something really strange was happening it was as if i had been pulled up and away from my body and i found myself watching my doctor and his nurse working on my body from a corner of the room near the ceiling i was startled at being able to hover above like that and i wanted to feel in control of my situation but i was unable to do anything except watch helplessly i made some attempts to get the attention of the other
two in the room but they were totally oblivious to anything I was saying to them. Then I found myself no longer in the room, but traveling through a tunnel, slowly at first, then picking up speed as I went. As I entered the tunnel, I began hearing the sound of an engine, the kind that operates heavy machinery. Then, as I was moving slowly, I could hear voices on each side of my head, the voices of people whom I'd known before because
they were vaguely familiar. About this time, I became frightened, so I didn't concentrate on trying to recognize any of the voices. I found myself growing more and more afraid as the speed picked up and I realized that I was headed towards the pinpoint of light at the end of a tunnel. The thought came to me that this was probably what it was like to die. I decided then and there that I wanted to go no further and I tried to backpedal, stop and turn around but to no avail.
I could control nothing and the pinpoint of light grew larger and larger. Before I knew it the light exploded all around me. My attitude at this time was quite terrified. I did not want to be there and I was determined that I was not, by God, going to stay. So that's an inverse NDE. Interesting. Yeah, it gets worse from here. Yeah, I can believe that. That one was actually pretty tame for what you've been describing. Yeah, I can only imagine that feeling though. You'd be
in a weird place. That's for sure. And feeling those feelings, I can't discount it as being terrifying. It just doesn't seem that bad because I know what's coming. The second type of distressing NDE they refer to as void. In this NDE a person may find themselves in a void of emptiness. The person may feel isolation, loneliness, discomfort, and despair here. In some cases the person may
simply feel neutral feelings instead. Interpreters of this believe it could be a person not going through a deep enough NDE or it being a precursor to the traditional NDE that follows. Others interpret this void as some state of hell or purgatory. Here is one such account quote I was suddenly surrounded by total blackness floating in nothing but black space no up no down left or right what seemed like an eternity went by I fully lived it in this misery I was only allowed to think
and reflect end quote I have another one. A woman in childbirth found herself abruptly flying over the hospital and into deep empty space. A group of circular entities informed her she never existed and that she had been allowed to imagine her life, but it was a joke. She was not real. She argued with facts about her life and descriptions of Earth. No, they said none of that had ever been real. This is all there was and she was left alone in space. Wow. Yeah, that one is particularly
crazy. Another woman in childbirth felt herself floating on water, but at a certain point it was no longer a peaceful feeling, she said. I felt the aloneness, the emptiness of space, the vastness of the universe except for me, a mere ball of light screaming. That is terrifying. Another example. A woman who attempted suicide felt herself sucked into a void. Quote, I was being drawn into the dark abyss, a tunnel, a void. I was not aware of my body as I know it.
I was terrified. I felt terror. I had expected nothingness. I expected the big sleep. I expected oblivion. I found now that I was going to another plane and it frightened me. I wanted nothingness, but this force was pulling me somewhere I didn't want to go, but I never got beyond the fog." End quote. Last one for the void. A man who was attacked by a hitchhiker felt himself rise out of his body. Quote, I suddenly was surrounded by total blackness floating in nothing but black
space. No up, no down, no left, no right. What seemed like an eternity went by. I fully lived it in its misery. I was only allowed to think and reflect. Oh, I have another one. Don't you worry. I have another void example. Last one, for real this time. A 26 year old woman. I passed through different stages of torment. Voices were laughing at me, telling me all of life was a dream, that there was no heaven, no hell or earth, really, and that all I had experienced in life
was actually a hallucination. I passed through
the stage of terrible thirst. that's a stage and the voices kept laughing at me and telling me you think this is bad wait till the next stage i found myself hurtling towards the final torment i was to be suspended in a total vacuum with nothing to see or do for eternity i was naked and i was sad about that because i thought if only i had clothing i could pull the threads and knot them and reweave them for something to do and if only i were sitting in a chair i
could splinter it and try to make something of the splinters and then the overwhelming realization that eternity was forever and ever time without end what to do in a vacuum forever after all these years the nightmare remains vivid in my mind I assure you the worst form of hell in my mind at least would be myself suspended naked in a vacuum that's the last one from the void and I put that one in because isn't it crazy that there's more than one experience of them
being told that like that wasn't real, what you just experienced. Yeah, it really lines up with a few descriptions of how the world works with
a what's it called. hologram theory is that what that is basically our whole entire universe is made up are you thinking of oh damn it now that i want to put my input i've left it too like the matrix like uh yeah it's almost it's hologram theory something along those lines yeah damn it okay moving on that's gonna bother me number three is hellish just like it sounds hellish ndes are an experience of the simulation theory
Hellish, just like they sound. Hellish NDEs are an experience of the common perceptions of hell. This is the least common type, but has been shown to occur in quite a few of NDEs cross -culturally. This NDE represents the classical imagery of demons, monsters, taunts, people change, suffering, darkness, smell, fire, etc. Many of experiences remember it for years and are still disturbed by it unless they can make some meaning out of
it. I feel like all of these would stick with somebody so for them to point it out on this one that it sticks with them for years probably means a little bit more than that, because I would assume being told that none of this is real would stick with you for a while. Yeah, me too. It would be life changing. But in a different way than I was tortured for eternity and then
I was returned to this life. I mean, but if you never experienced both of them, like, I would assume that one would stay with you kind of equally because you never experienced the other, right? Yeah, fair enough. So here's a report of a hellish
NDE. quote when i reached the bottom it resembled the entrance to a cave with what looked like webs hanging i heard cries wails moans and the gnashing of teeth i saw these beings that resembled humans with the shape of a head and body but they were ugly and grotesque they were frightening and sounded like they were tormented in agony end quote Next one. Oh, I got a lot of these ones for you. A man in heart failure felt himself
falling into the depths of the earth. At the bottom was a set of high rusty gates, which he perceived as the gates of hell. Panic stricken, he managed to scramble back up to daylight. Yikes. He escaped hell. We didn't want him back. And while going through a heart attack nonetheless. I'm kidding. A woman was being escorted through a frighteningly desolate landscape and saw a group of wandering spirits. They looked lost and in pain, but her guide indicated she was
not allowed to help them. Atheistic, not aesthetic, an atheistic university professor with an intestinal rupture experience being maliciously pinched then torn apart by malevolent beings. That would fucking suck. Huh, they really - They escalated quickly. Yeah, that one reminds me of Hellraiser. Yeah. Next, a woman who hemorrhaged from a ruptured fallopian tube reported an NDE involving, quote, horrific beings with gray gelatinous appendages
grasping and clawing at me. The sounds of their guttural moaning and indescribable stench still remain 41 years later. There was no benign being of light, no life video, nothing beautiful or present, end quote. Oh, review of life is what she means. That's pretty crazy that there's a stench. Yeah. Well, and it's generally I have heard about that stench. It's the smell of rotten eggs. Yeah, like sulfur, right? That's sulfur. Yeah. Which is also the smell associated with
UFOs sometimes. Yes. Which is weird. And it does come up again in this episode. OK. Next, a 26 year old woman. Instantly I started plummeting downward, falling into darkness, a horrible endless black space. Imagine standing in an elevator and all of a sudden the floor drops out and down you go. That terrible sensation of falling. I was terrified in the darkness that surrounded me, but very aware of the horrible pain burning and searing my entire body, agonizing pain beyond
description that would never leave. There were the tortured screams of others, but I could see nothing but darkness. There was no fire, just this dreadful burning pain all over every part of me, and I knew that this was hell. I felt hopeless, knowing this was for eternity. There
was no escape from the nightmare. I wouldn't wake up, I wouldn't hit bottom and die, I wouldn't be rescued by anyone, I would fall and burn in this gruesome place forever and ever, screaming out with all the other lost souls crying out in the darkness, totally helpless as we fell further into the pit of hell. Not even God entered into this place and the torture would go on forever
and ever and ever. There was no way to describe the terror that filled me, realizing that I actually sent myself to hell through my choice of not believing. I had chosen this. Chosen not to believe in God, I felt a separation as if I had never existed. There is no lonelier place that's separation from God. I saw no flames, just total darkness and the sensation of burning. I heard many people screaming, but I saw no one. It was a dark, desolate,
horrible place with no hope of escape. I felt the hopelessness of being lost in torment, separated from God for eternity. So that is the hellish one, I believe. I would be very curious, just with that atheistic individual's background, whether or not they came from a religious upbringing. If that's where that deceit, that pain of not believing in God came from or if it is something that just spurred itself at the end of her life.
Yeah, we get into it a little bit. Obviously, there's a lot of religious connotations that come up in reference when it comes to hell in heaven. Yeah, not just like one of these is called hell and people consider it hell because they're obviously getting it from somewhere. But that Religion is pretty much what is there after this life, right? People do things in this life for what happens in the next realm. They want to know that there's something beyond this life.
So I think it's really tied to religion for that reason as well. I did have to sort through because so many of these are filtered through even this last one are filtered through a religious connotation and a lot of people do go religious after this stuff and a lot of religions use stuff like this to say Look, you got to be good. You got to believe
in God. Yeah, and it does appear on Even on Reddit when I was searching, most of what I was finding were on Christian, Catholic, different religious reddits, which I did stay away from, but that was the majority of where I found anything on Reddit. So lots of religious people talking about stuff like this. I think it just goes hand in hand. I think it proves people point one way
or the other. So Elwood, whoever the hell that is, suggested in 1996 that subdividing the hellish experiences into even more categories would serve us better. So he or she proposed could be a moth person. Who knows at this point. A. Those that are entity -centered, including malevolent beings, which Elwood thought were analogous to figures sometimes encountered in schizophrenia and nightmares,
but no fire. And the other is those that are fire -centered, including Hellfire, but no powerful or malevolent beings, which Elwood thought were analogous to the experiences of saints and mystics. She also speculated that, with further research, there may be a third subcategory of Hellish NDE, characterized by neither malevolent beings nor Hellfire, but rather a spinning vortex, which we didn't even hear from. And we also found out that Elwood is a Moth Sheet. I would like to
hear the spinning vortex's point of view. Too bad. We should make it in. So now we move on to a next classification of negative NDE, which is a negative life review. And this can begin with a pleasant or neutral experience and culminate in a life review in which they perceive a lot of negative events, which they find very disturbing and painful. These are probably bad people reviewing their life. It may even need to switch it off. Can you do that with a life review? Apparently.
I've had enough of this click. What else is on? This differs from other ND ears who may have a life review and feel remorse at their deeds But are comforted with compassion for them. It would seem to differ from person to person It is worthy to ponder the nature of why some have more painful life reviews, which is less comforting Some interpret that this could be to do with weighty negative karma or deeds No examples of
that one. So you'll just have to trust me. Okay number five hybrid NDE and these are NDE's which a person may feel both positive and negative aspects they may meet a being and feel comfort with them but also witness distressing events like seeing hellish realms I'm trying to make a point here so I'm not even sharing these with you they are not negative enough there's a positive aspect to them Number six, which I believe is
the last one, is instructional. And in this category, experiencers are led by a spirit guide to a realm where they can witness deceased beings suffering extreme agony in a hellish type of existence. But the experiencers themselves are not subjected to the agony of the witnessed beings. An example of an instructional NDE was reported by a 27 -year -old woman. I think they're all 27 -year -old women for some reason. Weird. I know. Is this something that's just specific to that kind
of cohort? Maybe. They only took 27 -year -old women witness testimonies, I guess. I looked down upon the accident scene. I looked into my
car and saw myself trapped and unconscious. A hand touched mine and I turned to see where this peace and serenity was coming from and there was Jesus Christ I mean the way he is made out to be in all the paintings I was so not actually looking like he was in real life yes the white guy white Jesus to be clear I was led around a well because I wanted to stay with him and hold his hand. He led me from a side of bliss
to a side of misery. I did not want to look but he made me look and I was disgusted and horrified and scared. It was so ugly. The people were blackened and sweaty and moaning in pain and chained to their spots and I had to walk through the area
back to the well. one was even chained to the evil side of the well the man was so skeptical and in such pain the one chained to the evil side of the well i wanted to help save him but no one would and i knew that i would be one of those creatures if i stayed i hated it there i couldn't wait to get to the well and go around it he led me to it but he made me go through it alone as he watched someone else followed me through and then stepped in front of me to
help me walk over the debris on the ground snakes or something i never looked at this thing but i know it was dark so those are all the experiences and i want to let you know all of the experiences that i just went here of ndes is all from the research that i went through None of them are reddit stories. They're all a part of the research. I took them from different places, but they all came from papers and stuff like that. For those, we'll get to the reddit. Now, White Jesus seems
like kind of a dick, to be fair. I just kind of gotta say that. I was always under the impression that White Jesus always was. Is it just me? Yeah, yeah. Okay. He's, yeah. Yeah. Responses vary in regards to the negative NDE that experiencers have had, from completely turning their life around as a sort of get your act together response, to explaining the experience away, to experiencing PTSD type symptoms all over the board. For others, it's cause for a deep reflection on their life
and reflecting on if they're a bad person. quote the changes in personal beliefs can be setting and disorienting and feelings of anger depression or estrangement from family and friends have been reported i can only imagine if you had an nde in which it said none of this is real i would think that you would feel a certain amount of dissociation once you are alive again if you come back from that i don't know why that one really stays with me but i just feel like psychologically
i feel like that would be very damaging But that's just me. There's a lot of other disturbing stuff in this episode. Yeah, a lot. Well, to be fair, weirdly, I have also like I was listening to somebody talking about a near death experience they went through and they said it's actually really hard to cope with the fact that you are alive and that you should like your brain has processed that you are dead. So actually like getting past that point is really hard. Yeah,
I could only imagine that. Yeah. Whatever you experienced after that alone. Overwhelmingly, their questions include some variant of quote, what did I do to deserve this? Or what are the rules if the rules I live by don't work? End quote. I think that could be referring to a few things such as thinking they ended up in hell or the rule of, you know, just living your life. Apparently that doesn't work because apparently you weren't. in some cases live in any life.
There's a lot more research to not only the outcomes but negative NDEs itself. Obviously I couldn't put it all into the episode. A lot of it deeply religious like I said but I wanted to focus obviously more on the experiences because that's where the money is. All the money. All the 20 bucks we get. Bad MDEs are not exclusive to bad people.
They happen to both but honestly I'm not sure how they measure that and I'm also not sure how they We didn't hear whether or not any of these experiencers were bad people or not I don't know. I don't know how you would say someone it would be intrinsically good or bad. Can I just add
at that point too? We don't know if it matters whether or not they are intrinsically bad intrinsically bad from like a universal perspective or if they perceive themselves exactly exactly which I don't think is something that has been talked about too much here. No that's a very good point. From the book Distress and Near Death Experiences the basics quote No evidence supports the conventional assumption that good people get pleasant NDE's
and bad people have distressing ones. Saints have reported extremely disturbing NDE's while felons and suicide attempters have encountered bliss. I don't like that they put suicide attempter under bad. Technically within the church they're bad. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, which again, we're looking at it from a religious perspective, although we don't think we are. It's the West which is Christian. Yep. So now we're gonna move on to
more NDE experiences. Yay! I hope that you have a plan for something light after this and funny. Hopefully the laughter will help get you through this. A man thrown from his horse found himself
floating at treetop height. watching emergency medical technicians work over his body quote no no this isn't right he screamed put me back but they did not hear him next he was shooting through darkness toward a bright light flashing past shadowy people who seemed to be deceased family members waiting he was panic -stricken by the bizarre scenario and his inability to affect what was happening Next story, Veronica Barthel says that after being struck by lightning
while driving her car one day in 1981, she was instantly transported into hell where she found demons escorting her into a big waiting room. Quote, the creatures that I saw were more terrifying than anything I ever saw in a horror movie. Today I know that they were demons. As soldiers they were marching past me and in the middle of them were people that were screaming with pain. It was very difficult to breathe down there because
of the terrible smell of this place. I saw a lake which looked like the inner part of a volcano where people were cursing because of great pain." She says that she saw people being thrown into caves which were guarded by demons, who threw spears at them as they screamed. She also recalled snakes being present all over the ground, which were there to frighten and intimidate the people
in hell. After her experience Veronica found herself transported back into her car where for a moment She saw her own burning hands gripping the steering wheel. Well, that was something we did not need Veronica Next sighting here now. We're at the reddit stories. Okay, and I should say thankfully everybody whose stories we heard they have survived We know that that's actually a really good part of this episode to be honest with you I'm really glad you brought that to
our attention user st. Chas 77 I remember a story from years ago about a guy who was on the brink of death and saw Shadow creatures attack him trying to tear him in the pieces Not in a lake of fire though. It was an atheist and the experience made him a theist not a born -again Christian next user Zushiba. My aunt died in the hospital several years ago. She was clinically dead for a few minutes. In that time she says she floated above the operating table and saw them trying
to revive her. She says she felt a pull on her and flew out through the very top of the room. She remembered very clearly floating above the light fixture on the ceiling and then there being darkness. Suddenly she found herself floating above the ground several inches just above a field of dirt. In front of her was a very strange large chasm. Deep, very dark. She couldn't see the bottom of it from where she was. she was.
On the other side of the chasm was a beautiful field, green grass, flowers, trees and sunlight. On her side of the chasm, it was overcast and very little light. No vegetation, just brown dirt. She felt the same force that pulled her out through the ceiling of the hospital start pulling her across the chasm. As she started floating over the chasm, these hands reached out of the blackness and started pulling at her. almost like ripping the flesh from her legs and
feet. She says it was the worst feeling of pain and cold she ever experienced and it horrified her. After what seemed like forever, she reached the other side of the chasm and the hands went away. The feeling of pain and terror was replaced with the feeling of happiness and contentment and warmth. Several family members that had been dead for some time were there and they seemed to be beckoning her over. She was lowing to the field when she heard the doctor say something.
It sounded like it echoed very loudly from the other side of the chasm. Suddenly the forest pulled her across the chasm again, only this time much faster that she had been pulled over the first time. Again the hang came and again the cold. The hands ripped at her and she felt the pain she had felt before. Finally she came to the dirt side of the chasm again, then blackness.
Then she was on the ceiling of her room in the hospital again and she saw her body spasm violently and her arm smacked the doctor's arm breaking his watch. Her spirit was pulled back into her body again and she heard him say something like she's back and then blackness again. Several hours later, she woke up and was pissed off at first. Then she realized she was alive and she thanked the doctor and apologized for breaking his watch. He was surprised because when she
did that she was technically dead. I don't know what she saw, but she was very descriptive of what she thinks she saw. That was a little weird. And I don't feel like she was dead when that happened because she was moving around. If she can move, yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah. OK, you're going to like this one because I like the guy's name. User the fecal Jesus. Oh, good. It's got to be good. I wonder what he has to
say about this. I've had a few friends who have been in crazy accidents and have slipped into comas as a result, so it's not really an NDE here, but here we go. One said it was the most peaceful experience ever. They had something similar to the white light phenomenon where they were floating above their body, seeing a bright light, etc. Almost the same stereotypical experience. The other had a completely different experience
that shook me a little. He said he saw demons and creatures all sorts of crazy shit he even said he felt pain and sorrow he said it was the most horrific thing he's ever experienced both of my friends aren't religious we're both in comas and on heavy meds not sure of what exactly i personally think a lot of it has to do with the meds and how they affect different people i taint no doctor but that's my diagnosis you taint no doctor he's got a point user letter
pd 43 A few years before my dad passed away he was stabbed three times by Muggers and died three times on the operating table. Up until the day that he offed himself he maintained that when he briefly lost life he was crawling through a wall to hell and was able to glance in and see hell. I have hospice patients that say angels come and visit them. One lady said there's a little boy sitting at the foot of my bed saying
I'm gonna go soon. I have seen many people at the end of their journey talking to dead relatives that have passed. I have been in the room of one elderly man who was terrified by what he saw, pain and fire, what he perceived as hell. He led a tumultuous life with no closure. He hadn't spoken to his family in years. I don't know if what he saw was real or just real to him because of all the turmoil and unfinished business in his life. That's kind of sad. This
one, it has to be one of my favorite ones. It's so creepy. User Charles Deballis. At the hospice, my grandma died and the nurses told a story about some patients who just before they died, like literally minutes before, complained about three scary bald men in suits in the corner of the room. Not really a lake of fire, but still interesting. And someone commented on it, user SayShayLalu, said, very interesting. I used to have waking nightmares when I was younger and it was always
three figures in the corner waiting for me. Creepy! I think we can all agree we don't want bureaucracy to spill over to the afterlife. We want it to be chaotic. We want it to be pointy, painful,
but not bureaucratic. That makes it worse! Few more user not sure guy my grandfather had a near -death experience where he says he saw st Peter so st Peter asked where to and my grandfather replied to heaven st Peter flips a lever and my grandfather said he just felt piercing cold and darkness He was a bad person in many ways. He left my grandma mom when she was 10 I didn't know him well at all, but that was his story User Flegal66 The stepdad of an old ex -girlfriend
had an experience he swears by. It was one that supposedly made him change his ways and turn to being a devout Christian. He was a raging alcoholic, abusive and destructive, got into a serious car accident and was on the operating table. Surgeon said that his heart actually stopped for a few minutes. He claims that he saw himself lying on the table with the doctors working on him. then instead of seeing a light he saw total blackness, could smell something burning sulfur,
and heard people screaming. The doctors told him that at one point he screamed on the operating table. There could be lots of other more reasonable explanations for this, the most obvious being that he was completely full of shit. But it's a story nonetheless I was told, so given the subject matter I felt I should share. User CC
Van. Yes, I've experienced this as well. It was completely black though I wasn't alone, but it was a distressing experience and not at all like the beautiful serenity light everyone experiences. It sucks because the distressing NDEs happen often but are less talked about, but they're
out there. User fiasco 21 I had a clinical death did not see any later fire I saw and I am NOT shitting you big Crayolas falling down from the sky That was my last memory until two months later when I was in therapy because it left me half paralyzed for months I like the Crayolas of that but it took a turn at the end and became worse that has to be the the tamest of the things you've dealt with so far Yes, and I'm gonna leave you off with a gooder for the last in the experience
and this is user deleted unfortunately but i cannot give credit to which user on this one my dad has died twice due to heart attacks he says he saw new jersey he was not in new jersey oh no i know the worst of all he did go to hell and it wasn't minnesota right it was minnesota go to hell michigan no minnesota is cold michigan is also cold but go to hell michigan And that's my episode. We need to watch a comedy now. We need to watch a bet. Yeah, go enjoy life. Just
accept everything. Yes, go accept what David Wilcox has become. It's quite delightful in such a weird way. Do not give him money. Unless you're plugging Journey to the Fringe. And give him money so that he plugs it. And in any event, I have been Taylor, here with Chelsea. We are Journey to the Fringe. Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. Bye. Thank you for
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