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Tim Burton Meets Crispin Glover

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Joe Escalante's weekly dive into the business end of showbiz. This week: Alec Baldwin pleads not guilty, as did the armorer on the Rust set. Also, the latest from the Box Office, and Joe starts digging into his Oscar picks for Best Picture, including Zone of Interest, a WWII film that caught all of Joe's attention, and Poor Things (nominated for 11 Academy Awards). Also, Universal pulled all their artist masters off of TikTok for not paying enough. Considering TikTok is now the biggest distributer of music out there, musicians are not happy about it.

Joe doesn't care about the Grammy's .

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Joe Ascalante live from Hollywood. If by Hollywood you mean Burbank across the street from a Wiener Schnitzel that serves beer. This is two hours of the business end of show business on this non NFL Sunday, in between the Championship game and the Super Bowl next week. You might hear the same thing because it's a super Bowl day. What am I gonna do? Anyway, You're gonna love it. This is two hours of the business end of show business.

We do this every Sunday on that five pm, eleven to fifty on your AM dial for two hours. Today there's a lot of Oscar stuff going on. There's a lot of celebrities behaving badly. Let's start with Alec Baldwin. Alec Baldwin. Let's well, first of all, let's start with me saying last week that this was in Texas when it's a New Mexico. So I apologize for being a coastal elite and thinking that Texas and New Mexico is the same place. But it isn't. But what we were talking about last week

was that, you know, maybe Texas was going to haha. We have Alec Baldwin. You don't like his politics, so we're gonna we're gonna indict him on a manslaughter and when these charges were dropped before and they revived it for it, But it's not Texas, it's New Mexico. So New Mexico's got a lot of lefties that love Alec Baldwin. So I don't know,

maybe there's something to this. He's pleaded not guilty this week, and it seems like he didn't have to go in and he just was able to do it by some you know, entering papers in the court that say I'm not guilty, he says. If you'll remember in this twenty twenty one interview he did where he just said, hey, look there's not supposed to be live ammunition on the set. Someone brought live and munition onto the set and that

person is responsible, not me. The armorer. What's her name, Hannah, Hannah Gutierres, she's the person in charge of the guns on the set. She has pleaded not guilty also, and she, I would say, faces real jail time when Alec Baldwin, even if he's found guilty. I think it's just like maybe eighteen months, but they'll never put him in jail. I think They just want to punish him for his hubris in general.

Now, is that justice? Probably not. But Hanna Gutierres, what's her name, she's she's Her excuse is I was pleading for more firearms training, and that goes back to the producers, which is Alec Baldwin. I'm not responsible for this because I wanted more gun training, and with more gun training, live ammunition might not have ended up on the set, so it could be mistakenly put into a gun that was given to Alec Baldwin that he aimed

and fired, killing the cinematographer. So that trial is going to be it's Alec Baldwin's fault. Alec Baldwin's trial is it's Hana Gutierras's fault. So I don't know, you know, you kind of want them both to go to trial so we can get to the bottom of this. Otherwise, if they

all plead, then we never really know. Meanwhile, the movies I think finished because it got put back into production and then the executive producer of the deceased cinematographer was made an executive producer or the yeah, he was made They just said, well, how about you be executive producer and don't sue us. I think that's what's going on there and the movie normally this is a

movie. No it would just come and go and no one would would see what it is, and Alec Baldwin to just take the money and pay his taxes or whatever he goes. And I hope no one ever saw it be on video and demand, And now I still don't think it'll be in theaters, but it will be. It will get some kind of more serious distribution and more eyeballs on it. I would imagine, I want to see it, so we'll let you know when that happens. Of course, they if

either of these go to trial. Baldwin won't go to trial, but I don't think. Oh maybe, I don't know. But the armorer she goes to trial. That's going to be interesting because then we're going to find out why was there live ammunition on the set? Was she part of those people? People were doing target practice on that set? Some of the reports say so they were, you know, have them find hey, do you want

to put bullets and these guns and go do target practice over there? And the in the hills, you know, they're all in the desert and some making some Western and things. People get bored and they start goofing around and did that happen? Stupid? But I don't know what that has to do with gun training. If you're the armorer, don't allow live ammunition on the set. But we'll see. And as I've said, I've been the armorer on a show and it's it's uh, it's really serious and and and you

don't goof around you just but some people goof around. I guess now in the Gutierra's trial, there is actually some interesting stuff floating around. Uh. The she was offered a plea deal, according to the prosecutor. Prosecutor's name is Carrie Morrissey, by the way, So Morrissey offered Gutierras what she called a favorable plea last September if she would accept responsibility for bringing in the live rounds. I guess she doesn't want to do that because that's you know,

doesn't want to implicate herself that much, and she doesn't have to. But that's a big sticking point. And then she she's supposed to testify against Alec Baldwin and say that she brought the live rounds in, and she says that she didn't and the prosecutor says there was training and they blew off the training. And then there's some text messages floating around between A. Gutierras Reid is her full name, and others that make apparent reference to the use of marijuana

and cocaine on the set. Not good. One of them said, do you want me to get any of Do you want me to get us any coke? One person asked Gutierras Read in September twenty twenty one, and Gutierras Reid replies, already got some. She should have said diet coke. Another exchange indicated Gutiras Read smoked marijuana the night before the shooting headed down to get high out back. She wrote, So you don't want to an armorer that

smokes pot and does cocaine. And the propmaster has stated that I think she was so drunk that she didn't know she brought live ammal onto the truck when she went to get a gun from the safe. This is the prop master who was given a mune unity for his testimony. So yeah, she's going down. I mean she's she's taking if she's if she's handling guns and taking

drugs on a movie set. That's how you go to jail. So I don't feel that bad for her, But Alec Baldwin I do feel bad for because you know, he's just maybe there's some cutting corners here and he should have been. If you want to be a producer, be a producer and get into the weeds and see if these are who they're hiring, and what's the experience, what's the resume of this armor. Let's let's not cut corners on the armor. And I'll bet no one ever does in Hollywood after this.

So I just say he's been through enough. And I'm not really a fan of the guy, but I just think he's been through enough, because you don't want this to happen to you if you work in Hollywood. You know, you don't want to be accused of this. You don't want to be You don't want to have to have someone say, hey, why don't you testify against Alec Baldwin in exchange for not going to jail? And then you never work in Hollywood again anyway, because you're the person that did that.

You just have to choose another career. But a lot of people in Hollywood have to choose another career all the time because it's a you know, it's a weird up and down business. I'm going to take a break right

now and check the traffic. When we come back, we're going to talk about the films, the Academy Award nominees, Poor Things, and Zone of Interest Joe Sclante Live from Hollywood. If by Hollywood you mean Burbank, and we're talking about Academy Award movies this segment, let's start with Let's see any meany miny mo. Let's start with Zone of Interest. Zone of Interest is a British film, actually with German language in English subtitles or whatever subtitles you

want to get. And it's directed by a guy named Jonathan Glazer, loosely based on a twenty fourteen novel by someone named Martin Amis, and it qualifies as a foreign production. It's kind of a co production between the US, the United Kingdom and Poland. And it stars a guy named Christian Fredell as a I'll just describe it to you this way how I describe it to most people. It's about this family. This family lives in a really nice house.

They love the house. It's like nineteen forty two Ish and they've been living in the house for a few years. It's basically it's in Auschwitz, so it's butted up against the concentration camp. They share a wall with the concentration camp, and concentration camp is in full swing. The guy that Christian Friedell plays is the commandant Rudolph Haas, and he's striving to build this dream life with his wife Hedwig in this home. But it's in Auschwitz. So

it's about just you know, how the people. I mean, you don't have to blame it on the Germans really, but it could be anywhere where there's something going on and the government has created this, you know, just horror and it needs people to carry out the horror. So how does it get those people? Well, I think it's one of the way it gets them is by promising them things. And of course in a war like in Nazi Germany, they're like, okay, you, I promise not to put

you in jail if you go fight this war as a soldier. But then more higher elevated people in the social strata they're like, I will give you, I'll make your dreams come true that weren't going to come true if you carry out this horror at the concentration camp, or turn a blind eye while

other people do. And so these people turned a blind eye to what was going on, and it was very dark, but you can imagine that it had to happen because someone had to run these concentration camps and where do they live, and if they're efficient and qualified and desirable, you got to pay them a lot, and you got to give them a good house. You got to take care of their family. So that's what they did for this

guy. And then the wife is just trying to build a home with her kids in a good yard, in her greenhouse and her bees and her pool with a slide, and it's just so wonderful until you hear the screams outside the wall. But they don't they don't listen. So the whole time you're watching this movie, you're thinking, did that just happen? Then someone else happens something else, did that just happen? You know? I'm watching it with my wife. I saw it at the Bella Terra Theater in Huntington Beach,

and I'm just like what you're watching? Every scene You're like, Okay, this looks like idyllic children, you know, playing, for example, in the yard or in the pool. But what else is going on? So you got to look at every inch of the screen and go, oh, look at that over there. Oh, let's be on the wall. Maybe there's a train smokestack can bare coming in. You know what that is? There's a giant incinerator smokestack spewing ashes. What could that be? I

don't know. They don't care. I mean they know. It's like it's I think they all know. Are these just innocent people that were just fell for the spiel of don't worry what you know, We're we're carrying out some complicated missions. And you gotta put these people in the uh in these camps, and then this is how you treat them because they're less than human. And then you get fed that for years and years, and you're you, I guess you're after a while, you just believe it because the alternative is

to take your family out of this house. I don't know, but wow, filmmaking it is one of the best movies I've ever seen. It's just they just did it perfectly. So as for some people might be a little too dark, but it is. I mean, it's just something that happened had to have happened, and someone wrote a book about how it happened, and someone made a movie about how it happened. Is it true? I think it's just based on things that probably happened, and box office not much.

It's like, you know, only made a million or so, so like a maybe a three million, the three or four million total, what is it? I don't know what the the budget was, but anyway, you shouldn't see it. Let's see what else we got. Okay, so now let's go to Poor Things. Poor Things is a film by Yurgos Lanthromos I think is his name? Greek director? He made Oh wait, who made Let's go back to the Zone of Interest? Who made Zone of Interest?

You ask, well, it's Jonathan Glazer. What did Jonathan Glazer make? He made Sexy Beast? I mean, he made other films that I'm not that familiar with, but Sexy Beast. And this is kind of the life of a director. I've noticed a successful director he directs a film in the year two thousand. He doesn't direct a film until the year two thousand and four, so that's four years he's running around trying to get some film made kind of life? Is that not fun? Sexy Beast was a hit.

So he makes a movie called Birth in two thousand and four, that one he writes, and then he doesn't make another film until twenty thirteen. Okay, so that's two thousand and four to twenty thirteen. And the movie Birth, it's a it's a big movie. He's working with Lauren Butcall and Nicole Kidman and Hash doesn't make another film for nine years. So that's the life of a successful director. What kind of director are you going to be?

Then doesn't direct another film until The Zone of Interest in twenty twenty three. That's ten years. What's he doing during that ten years besides driving his wife nuts? So you want to be a film director. That's a successful film director. So hats off to the film directors that stick it out and stick it out, make movies like Sexy Beast, Hang in There, and then twenty three years later, make a movie nominated for Best Picture called The

Zone of Interest, and congratulations on the rewards that he's getting. He's nominated for Best Director and that's a big deal. I don't know how many times he's been nominated. I'm gonna guess zero. Certainly not for Sexy Beast,

even though it's just a fantastic film if you haven't seen Sexy Beast. The film is nominated for Best Picture, as I've said, Best Adapted Screenplay, also by Jonathan Glazer, so he's got a writing Oscar nomination and a directing nomination, and it's also nominated for Best Feature Film, International Feature Film. It could do a you know, like a everywhere everything all at once or parasite kind of thing. Best Sound. Also on the sound, oh man,

the sound is haunting. I would see it for the sound. Zone of Interest. We'll get back, we'll talk about poor things. Joe's Galante Live from Hollywood. Joe Ascalante live from Hollywood. If by Hollywood you mean Burbank, across the street from the Wonderstonize that serves beer. We are talking to Oscar Movies right now, and we just talked about Zone of Interest. Nominated for Best Picture, director by Jonathan Glazer, also nominated for Best Director.

Highly recommend seeing this film. I don't know. I hard to imagine a better film, just in terms of how well it's made and the subject matter fascinating. Just now I'm gonna turn to a very different film. It's called Poor Things, Poor Things. They describe it as a science fantasy, black comedy drama film. I would call it a morally offensive masterpiece directed by yourgos Lanthromos. He directed the movie Lobster that we talked about a couple weeks

ago, maybe a month ago. He's a Greek, He's a Greek freak. Really, when you see this movie, hey, I think it's safe to say this man's a freak. Who else is a freak? Emma Stone that acts in the movie, and she's also a producer, and I think you wouldn't be able to get a star of her magnitude to do the weird things that are happening in this movie. She wasn't also the producer, Like, no one could tell her to do this. Okay, now you do

this, Now you do that. In this scene, Emma Stone, you're going to have simulated sex again naked with a weird, ugly old man, because the idea is you're a prostitute and you have sex with everybody, so we got to really mix it up. Here's another troll. There's troll number fifteen. Anyway, that's a little spoiler. Sorry, Because she does become a prostitute at some point in the movie. I apologize for that, but everybody loves this movie. I mean, it's, like I said, morally

offensive masterpiece. It is as if Tim Burton and Crispin Glover collaborated or maybe got married and had a baby, and this movie was the baby the I don't know if you've seen any Crispin Glover movies, but I mean I saw one. I saw one when I was doing the morning radio on Indy one three to one. I had them on my show all the time because I had a lot of directors on the show, and he was my favorite,

or one of my favorites for sure. And he did this film that was the cast was entirely actors with down syndrome, and he invited me to a screening. The screening was in his bedroom. Yeah, in his Hollywood Hills bedroom. I sat on a red velvet chase lounge in Crispin Glover's bedroom and watched the movie. Now, before you get weird ideas, there was another journalist there too. We were both invited. So there's some lady. She's sitting on a chair, I'm on the chase lounge and we watched a movie

with him. And it was a good movie. But I mean, when you watch Poor Things and think about Chrispin Glover in the kind of movies he's made, and the dialogue in a Crispin Glover movie so like bizarre and direct, and this movie is similar. But it has the budget of a Tim Burton movie or beyond, and it is sweeping the awards. So it's nominated for Best Picture in eleven categories. I mean everywhere, like you know, makeup, production design, hair wardrobe, best Supporting Actor, Mark Ruffalo,

who's fantastic in it. Emma Stone, I mean, she's, you know, always been one of my favorites. In this movie so disturbing to watch her. I'm just kind of I'm done. Okay, you acted so well, I can't look at you anymore. How's that Best Picture in the Golden Globes for a Musical or Comedy? And yeah, she went Best Actress in the Golden Globes, probably will win Best Actress in the Academy Awards. And you're kind you're probably wondering, like, hey, Joe, why do you

talk about these movies? Earlier? You already did your top ten for the year. I know, but then I forgot about the all these Academy Award movies. So I used to live in LA and you just see them naturally, you know, in the theaters around town, and they'd be playing. Maybe you could walk to a theater that played these movies. But now that I live in Seal Beach, I gotta work to go see these movies.

Although Poor Things was playing at the Beltara in Huntington Beach, but I didn't see it, probably because I was waiting for my wife to be available, and and she just looks so weird in the trailer. I wasn't sure I wanted to see it. I was hoping it would just be terrible and I wouldn't have to see it. And then I did finally get a screener from the Screen Actress Guild, and I watched it that way, and Holy Moses, you know, if you like set design and you like hair and makeup,

and I don't know, it's a fantastic movie. It's just morally very offensive. Don't take your kids. Do some binding prayers after you see it, so the devil doesn't get inside of you from the horrible things your witness too. But then you know it doesn't. It's not heavy handed in its message. I wouldn't say it's an eat your p's movie. It's in the long line of movies where they say, you know what, this message I have explains the whole world, and there I did it. Some movies like

that are just crap. I've seen many of them, or even books I've read that say, oh, this is like movies or TV shows that say like, oh, God is just an all knowing fatherly being that likes all religions and and all we have to do is love each other yawn, not brave, and this one is a little bit like that, but with utter genius in the dialogue and the pacing and the delivery of the lines. It's

some people are just gonna hate it because the way that actors talk. It's an affected dialogue, a lot like the movie Lobster that I watched a while ago. And it turns out your ghost Lanthemos directed Lobster. So if you like Lobster, this is like Lobster with a one hundred million dollars added to the budget. Where can you see it? It's still playing in theaters, so here I'm checking out. Okay, So what's next on my movie list?

Probably I've seen Barbie. These are the Best Picture nominees American Fiction, Anatomy of a Fall, Barbie, Holdovers, Killers of the Flower Moon, Maestro Oppenheimer, Past Lives, Poor Things, Zone of Interest. A lot of these movies are just so obscure. They haven't come my way. But I do have a copy of American Fiction and the Holdovers, so I will see those next, and then Poor Things, Past Lives, and Anatomy of a Fall. I don't know what I'm gonna do, but that's uh,

it's coming up. Who's gonna win? So far? Who would I say is gonna win? I'd say, uh, poor Things is gonna win. I haven't seen Holdovers or American Fiction or Past Lives, but if I was gonna put money on something, I'd put it on Poor Things. The Best Director Oppenheimer, Christopher Nolan, and Best Actor I'm gonna go with I haven't seen a lot of these movies, so I'm gonna maybe maybe Bradley Cooper. The movie is like who cares about Leonard Bernstein? Like, you know,

ay, great music? Why are you making a movie about this guy? Anyway, I'm rambling, so let's take a break and we'll come back after this look at the traffic, et cetera. On eleven fifty A M K E I B. Joe Ascalante Live from Hollywood, Joe Askanti, here's my lawyer. You don't Joe Scalante Live from Hollywood by Hollywood, you mean Burbank. We're talking about the business end of show business as usual, like we do every Sunday from five to seven on eight M eleven fifty K E I

B. It's kind of fun. I mean, I can't I you know, I go see these movies. You're probably in the same game as me. It's like you see these movies and you talk to everybody at a party and nobody's seen anything. Used to be we would sit around and talk about the movies we saw and the speakers we have. I don't really miss the conversations about the speakers that all the dudes had in the seventies, but I do miss the movie stuff, so we talk about it here. It's kind

of fun. I appreciate it. You indulging. If you want to give your two cents, easiest way go to the Facebook page Joe Scalante Life from Hollywood on Facebook. And I mean, we're not going to be pimpals. But you know, you should talk about it. So there's other stuff going on that we should probably get into a little bit, and a lot of it is, Oh, here's some of it. I'll just kind of rattle through it. We talked about Vince McMahon from WWE resigning and he's just he's

got an onslaught of lawsuits against him and now they're investigating him. The FBI is actually investigating him, according to Reports four. That's Chewy, make a noise back there, Chewy, calm down. The FBI is investigating him for trafficking. Sex trafficking, by the way, that kind of trafficking. So he's in a lot of trouble's he's kind of like the Harvey Weinstein of sports right now. So I don't look, I don't envy him. And here's another guy. Look how much money that guy had. Did you envy him

his women and his money and his material possessions. Well, if you did, that was chewy. He did envy him. But look at him now. I mean, I'm not wishing shaden freud on him, but I'm just saying, let's appreciate our own lives and yeah, not worry about everything everyone else has. Now look, I like to I'm just gonna take a little side step here. I'm interested in things that have an ounce of humility, and there's no humility in WWE wrestling. I think there is a fair amount

of humility in other professional sports. I mean, what do you mean by humility. I don't know. I mean, you know, just a guy who at the end of the game says, you know, it's not me, it was God, you know. I like that. I want to thank my mom. I like that this is a team effort. It's not me, it's my team, it's my front line. I take my front line out too. It's like the quarterbacks used to do, take the front line out for a stake every week. That kind of stuff. It doesn't

happen in WWE. I don't care if it's fake or not. It just doesn't happen. I don't like it. Rap music doesn't hip hop. I mean I used to love like the old stuff back in the day, of course, but then it's just like everything's about how much money they have and how much power they have, and how they're better than you. Not interested. So the same goes with wrestling to me. But this guy, he's out here a lot of people like it. I did like The Iron Claw,

the movie about wrestling. That was human story and they could have used a little humility, maybe the dad stuff like that. Another big story this week, huge story of music. First of all, you have the Grammys this week. I don't know if you're going to the Joe Scolante Live from Hollywood Grammy party after the awards at the Wiener Schnitzel in Burbank, the one that serves beer on olive. We'll be there. There's a red carpet, there's a band, there's a buffet. Well, the buffet is just a

counter where you go. It's kind of self. It's a no host buffet of hot dogs and hamburgers and tasty freeze items and three beers on tap. So we'll see you there like we do every year. And other than that, the Grammys. Wow, what a puke fest? Right? I mean yet I can already tell you that, so who cares? But the big news in music this week is Universal has pulled all their artists masters from TikTok. So now, is that kind of like cost them a lot of money?

Nope, it's a little bit of money. But the TikTok is so heavy in the you know, the promotion racket. I mean people using it to promote stuff. So they're going to feel it all the artists. So is this something the artist wanted? Why did they pull it? They pulled it because they said, you're not paying enough. Your royalty rate is too small. We analyze what you make TikTok, and you make so much money, you could pay more for your content. And they phrase it as,

you know, you got to pay the artist. But by the time it trickles down to the artist, it's even less so universal. I don't feel sorry for them. You know, by the time they've taken their cut, they could take less of a cut and give it to the artists if they cared about the artist. But they have. They're the biggest game in town. They're the biggest music distributor and content owner there is, and so they're

the big gorilla. And if they say, TikTok, we want you to pay more, TikTok has to pay attention or they're gonna lose all the all the all the music. And now there's no Taylor Swift music on TikTok, just maybe silent dances. Without Taylor Swift on there so that's a problem. I mean the football. You see how the football people do it. The

football people like while everyone else is struggling with advertising revenue. And you know, even wokeness was a problem for all sports, football and I fill football kind of cleaned up their act. I don't see any woke stuff on there anymore, like the overt things they've you know, without totally angering the people who have pressured them in the first place to be woke. Seems like they've they're serving them and serving the fan. And the ratings are huge. Taylor

Swift comes to town. Ten million more people watch the Kansas City Chiefs games than they did previously on TV, so you have ten million more eyeballs and that's a lot of revenue. NFL is just just basking in that. And somehow they made it. They didn't ruin it. You know, it's just happening. They could have ruined it somehow. You know, they cut to her and her friend, you know, high fiving each other after the good big plays. But now the music business they lost. Taylor Swift live touring

benefits from Taylor Swift, NFL benefits from Taylor Swift. Somehow, TikTok has blown it and Universal they're not getting that the all that Taylor Swift income they were getting. So I hope they get their act together. And a lot of people say that. The arguments go like this, Universal is always asking for something outrageous because they have so much market share. And then the other hand, people say, TikTok and these music services will bleed you dry and

leave you with nothing if you let them. They will build an entire empire off of your work and not pay you a cent unless you fight them every single day. So maybe we're happy for a Universal leading the way, but if you're one of those artists, it's just like this is how you get going and then Universal, I mean, your career is just kind of getting going, and then Universal takes all your music off of TikTok. Some of these people only have one shot, and that shot could have been already lost.

The other big news in music this week is talk Heads turning down eighty million dollars to do a tour. So that shows you how badly they do not want to do anything together. So does no one asked them to go into a cage fight and beat the crap out of each other or build a dig ditches. They said, would you like to go play music? You're amazing, awesome music for eighty million dollars, saying Nope, don't want to do that. So okay, loud and clear, I'm going to be at

the Punk Rock Museum on February seventeenth. People are always asking me, Hey, Joe, when are you going to be at that museum again? I want to see your tour. So February seventeenth, I will be doing two tours at the Punk Rock Museum in Las Vegas. I get tickets online punk Rock Museum, and I will see you there. Now leave you with just a taste of the greatest song ever written.

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