[SPEAKER_00]: So we got two podcasts, five hundred and there was a lot of information put out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was [SPEAKER_00]: over one thousand hours of information being put out clearly some of it just historical documentation I mean some of the people that we had on that had lived through things that were just part of history and we got the oral history from them so that was very cool [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously we did the original staple was historical book reviews out of print military books from back in the day which was awesome and very enjoyable to do and then some of them
[SPEAKER_00]: you know we're just interviewing people with various experiences and in the beginning a lot of times I talk about you know looking at human nature and through the eyes of leadership through the lens of leadership through the lens of history so those those things are still things that I enjoy doing a lot
[SPEAKER_00]: and I think we are still going to release the straight up jocco podcast number whatever I guess the next one would be five hundred and one we will do that are you still good with doing those yeah thanks he still press record but also you know it was [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot behind those. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's when it's interesting when people say, oh, say thanks to your team, we don't really have a team like you and me or the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of us does the bulk of the work. [SPEAKER_00]: So that was the team the team was just us to you know you're doing all the technical side me doing all the research and all that so You know we're still gonna do those podcasts just not as often and part of the reason too is because [SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot to ask of people to find the lessons and calculate and correlate those lessons that are often deeply embedded in stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's lots of context required and sometimes the lessons are delivered. [SPEAKER_00]: indirectly over the course of time. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was a time where someone could say, you know, I'm having trouble with leadership and someone else could tell them, oh, you should start listening to Jockel podcast and they'd listen to it and they'd go, oh, cool. [SPEAKER_00]: There's twenty two episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can listen to them and get started to get a good handle. [SPEAKER_00]: But then after a while when there's five hundred episodes in the thousand hours, some of that is it's it's too hard to gather the information. [SPEAKER_00]: And plus to parse out like, oh, is this just a history lesson? [SPEAKER_00]: Because sometimes people just want a history lesson.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to talk to, you know, they want to hear from a guy that landed at Tarua or a guy that was on Ewo Jima or someone that was in Auschwitz or, you know, someone that was in the Korean war. [SPEAKER_00]: They want to hear from that person. [SPEAKER_00]: What's their perspective?
[SPEAKER_00]: and sometimes they want to have like oh wait what about just straight leadership information or you know any type of sort of human nature that people want to learn about and so and and after you know probably after about a hundred episodes you couldn't just say to someone hey just start listening to juggle podcast and you're you're going to learn about because there's too much
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know that people, myself included, want information in this simple clear concise manner. [SPEAKER_00]: They want it directly, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's one of the laws of combat leadership, simple clear concise. [SPEAKER_00]: And from the time aspect and the information aspect, there's nothing simple clear concise about [SPEAKER_00]: over one thousand hours of of stuff being put out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I figured what would be good would be to distill some of these lessons down into a more simple format. [SPEAKER_00]: And I figured, since there are very dedicated people that enjoy the original podcast, the Jockel podcast, we probably need to separate them a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: So people can say, oh, this is a Jockel podcast and someone that likes to hear an interview or likes to hear a historical book review. [SPEAKER_00]: They can go, oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'm, this is what I'm here for. [SPEAKER_00]: But then there's also people that are like, oh, you know, I don't have time for a four hour historical podcast today. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have I don't have a room for that in my day. [SPEAKER_00]: I still want to learn some lessons.
[SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking of, you know, okay, well, what do we, we have Jockel podcast, um, maybe something a new name for it, and again, this is all iterative because I got to breathe a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: You, you might think, oh, you know, hey, we got something with this one. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the plan going forward, but actually, no, like, okay, let's, it's like in combat when there's something happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't just make a call. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't just go, oh, attack, or, oh, retreat. [SPEAKER_00]: No, you say, oh, look, why, why? [SPEAKER_00]: You said teach us. [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you got to let it develop a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you got to see what's, got to see what's happened. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think we got to do a little bit of that breathe a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: And listen, you know, because people are going to need a speedback, which is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as I think about, like one of the things that popped in my name, it popped into my head for a name was the manual podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: And what I like about it is because there's layers, the one thing there's layers. [SPEAKER_00]: The layers being, you know, we've reviewed a lot of manuals on this podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: I myself have written what I called field manuals, the discipline of curriculum field manual, leadership strategies and tactics field manual.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've written some manuals, but in that same vein, same word, different meaning, [SPEAKER_00]: lately I've been talking a lot about about having to switch into manual mode which means we're not just going through the motions on something but we are going to be in direct control of our thoughts and our actions. [SPEAKER_00]: And this is something that I've thought about for a long time. [SPEAKER_00]: You get into, you know, you and I have talked about cruise control, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Being in cruise control. [SPEAKER_00]: Being in cruise control sounds cool. [SPEAKER_00]: And especially if you have a modern vehicle with adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist, you're kind of not driving. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, your Cadillac does that, doesn't it? [SPEAKER_00]: Right, you know, it does a lot of things. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have to put your hands on the wheel? [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't, but you know, I understand what you mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a Ford. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got something called blue cruise. [SPEAKER_00]: And you don't have to have your hands on the wheel sometimes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's cool for driving, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But let's face it. [SPEAKER_00]: You think things can go wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: When you're in this blue cruise, what's the Cadillac thing called? [SPEAKER_00]: Super crew.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's cool in your driving, but it's not the best way to operate in life. [SPEAKER_00]: One of the, one of the earliest places that I experienced this was in, in the seal team. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a new guy. [SPEAKER_00]: You're new guy in the seal teams. [SPEAKER_00]: And when you're going through close quarters combat training, CQC, it used to be called CQB close quarters battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they changed it, no mean creatures. [SPEAKER_00]: Very important. [SPEAKER_00]: They changed it to close quarters combat. [SPEAKER_00]: CQC. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you're, when you're a new guy, the manipulation of the safety on your weapon is very important. [SPEAKER_00]: So you have to put your weapon on safe at the right time, take your weapon off safe, put it back on safe, and be as people watching you. [SPEAKER_00]: And in the beginning, you're very conscious of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like thinking about it. [SPEAKER_00]: But [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty quickly, your brain is taking over. [SPEAKER_00]: And what's weird about being a new guy is you're not used to being in that auto automaton mode where you don't have to think about it just happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as a new guy, you like going to a room, you shoot a couple targets, you take your weapon off safe, you shoot a couple targets, you get done, you start moving to the next room and as you're moving you're like, oh wait a second. [SPEAKER_00]: Is my weapon unsafe? [SPEAKER_00]: Cause you don't remember doing it. [SPEAKER_00]: and luckily you did. [SPEAKER_00]: But it takes a little time to get used to, but that's how quickly even something as important.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can get fired from the seal teams. [SPEAKER_00]: They can kick you out of the seal teams if you're not safe. [SPEAKER_00]: You get safety violations. [SPEAKER_00]: So even something that is important is as important as saving your weapon, as a new guy, the most important thing in the world. [SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, wait a second, I'll do it wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: Because you went into this automatically. [SPEAKER_00]: You went into this cruise control mode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually you get to a point where you just know you saved your weapon. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just part of your system. [SPEAKER_00]: Eventually you have to learn what you need to think about and what things can be kind of automatic. [SPEAKER_00]: This ties into a word that I have, I don't know if I've officially adopted the word yet. [SPEAKER_00]: I may or may not have adopted the word. [SPEAKER_00]: The word intentionality.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even you're getting nervous when I say it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's like a hippie new age thing, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, be intentional. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, even you have to you have to kind of whisper it when you say it. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, so you can give the right of a Monna. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to live intentionally. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So so that kind of scares me that kind of stuff makes me nervous. [SPEAKER_00]: But I was talking about it. [SPEAKER_00]: I saw a talking to a group of people and I I trapped myself where the only word I could use was intentional. [SPEAKER_00]: I like trapped myself and [SPEAKER_00]: What I said was, you know, whatever I said, hey, when you're doing this situation, you've got to be intentional about what you're doing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I thought about what we do in the military because if you think about what you do in the military, [SPEAKER_00]: being intentional is absolutely required and there's actually a protocol for being intentional and it's real obvious plan execute debrief that's how that's how you're intentional so [SPEAKER_00]: We come up with a plan, right? [SPEAKER_00]: We assess the situation. [SPEAKER_00]: We come up with various courses of actions.
[SPEAKER_00]: We grade those courses of actions and figure out which one is going to work best. [SPEAKER_00]: And then once we've once we've decided which course of action we're going to use, then we come up with a plan. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's part one. [SPEAKER_00]: That is being intentional, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I am going to come up with a plan. [SPEAKER_00]: Then you go and execute the plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: We go and do the thing that we said we're going to execute and obviously this is going to be challenging. [SPEAKER_00]: This is sometimes the hardest thing about doing something is actually doing the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And then what we do is we debrief, which is what we do with, we debrief to the point that it's almost a little bit ridiculous sometimes in the seal teams. [SPEAKER_00]: We debrief everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then we figure out what we did right, what we did wrong and what we can do better. [SPEAKER_00]: So you combine those three things, and now we're being intentional. [SPEAKER_00]: We're being intentional. [SPEAKER_00]: We plan, we execute, and we debrief. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, where can you do this? [SPEAKER_00]: This is the same as not being on cruise control, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're on cruise control, you're just going through the motions of whatever your habits are. [SPEAKER_00]: So you don't [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to live like that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So where can you do this? [SPEAKER_00]: Where can you take yourself out of cruise control and where can you become, when can you shift into manual mode? [SPEAKER_00]: Before you go it, better not write down which is supposed to do tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about the advantage that that gives you when you wake up and you don't have to figure out what it is you're supposed to today because when you wake up you're you got brain fog. [SPEAKER_00]: It's confusing you were dreaming about random for pickles and like you know who knows what you're dreaming about sure this chaos and Well, but when you actually write down what you're supposed to do and [SPEAKER_00]: I do believe this when you write down what you're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, it allows you to sleep because you're kind of like, okay, cool. [SPEAKER_00]: I know how to move you doing tomorrow. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's some kind of brain activity that starts solving and calculating those things while you're sleeping. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's the. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a priming effect, hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, I mean, I don't know if everyone's like this or not, but it would be like focusing or working on something and then someone in just odd of the blue comes in with some other stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, Brett, like, I dig it, but right now it's not the time I'm doing this. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a feeling, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: So [SPEAKER_01]: because you're not primed for this thing, you're primed for the thing in front of you or the thing that you're about to do whatever whatever your schedule is, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if you're already kind of like maybe like on a weird subconscious level or on a certain level, you know, certain mental level, you're primed already. [SPEAKER_01]: or you begin the priming process.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like super active, it's not taking that much energy, you know? [SPEAKER_01]: So you kind of, it's kind of like if someone said, hey, you have a, you have a, do you to match right now? [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, what should it? [SPEAKER_01]: Right now, really, like, you kind of scrambled mentally a little bit as opposed to or when compared to, hey, you got to do you to match in four weeks. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, then you then you can begin the priming process.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That really, that jams up people when they're competing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We think we have an hour and all of a sudden it's time to go now. [SPEAKER_00]: That jams people up. [SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, writing down, giving yourself a little time to process. [SPEAKER_00]: That is an area where you can manually take control of your life. [SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with working out. [SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to do tomorrow in your workout?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the plan? [SPEAKER_00]: What are the goals? [SPEAKER_00]: What are the numbers you want to hit? [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: What are the sets and reps? [SPEAKER_00]: What time are you going to make? [SPEAKER_00]: What's the minimum mandatory that's happening? [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can do it for fuel, right? [SPEAKER_00]: You can say, okay, what am I going to eat tomorrow? [SPEAKER_00]: Because, because leaving these things to chance, that's Cheetos.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my life would be like, hey, what do you want for dinner? [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Brought, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Tricking them doing this other thing, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: But if she or we whatever, this is just an impensible, obviously it's not a huge deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: But impensible, if we had that written down the day before, more two days before it seems saying, if these things were written down, you don't have to think about that can stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: You already know, just refer to your notes. [SPEAKER_00]: And you can like the detached assessment of what you should eat tomorrow. [SPEAKER_00]: is way better than the, I'm hungry. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna open the fridge and see what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The auto mode. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Just the cruise control mode. [SPEAKER_00]: It's pulling out the crap. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's an area where if you take control and you go into manual mode, you're gonna do a better thing. [SPEAKER_00]: You can do it for conversations that you're gonna have. [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna, you know, meet, have a business meeting with a partner, a potential partner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not take five minutes to come up with a damn plan before you roll in there? [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's, you have to meet with one of your employees. [SPEAKER_00]: Why not come up with a plan? [SPEAKER_00]: Three minutes of what you're going to talk about? [SPEAKER_00]: How you're going to say it to them? [SPEAKER_00]: What contingencies do you need to have? [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can do this protocol for your Saturday. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of just letting Saturday happen to you, what time you gonna wake up? [SPEAKER_00]: What do you gonna do for workout? [SPEAKER_00]: What's the workout gonna be? [SPEAKER_00]: When are you gonna spend time with your kids? [SPEAKER_00]: When are you gonna spend time with your spouse? [SPEAKER_00]: When are you gonna get the stupid chores done around the house that you gotta get done?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you actually plan what that Saturday is gonna look like, I guarantee it's going better, guaranteed to go better. [SPEAKER_00]: If you let cruise control run your Saturday, Saturday disappears. [SPEAKER_00]: So, this is all these examples of switching to manual, manual mode, getting control. [SPEAKER_00]: Just don't let your Saturdays happen to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take control of your Saturdays, take control of your Sundays, your Mondays, your Tuesdays, your Wednesdays, your Fridays, your Tuesdays, your Fridays, your Tuesdays, your Fridays, your Tuesdays, your Fridays, your Tuesdays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your Fridays, your
[SPEAKER_00]: is cruise control. [SPEAKER_00]: Because, look, as cavemen, we're in a supposed to survive, like, you know, tilt tomorrow. [SPEAKER_00]: We're just thinking about what it's thinking about right now. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's, and those animalistic instincts that you have, they're going to keep you alive for right now, right? [SPEAKER_00]: For right now, they're going to keep you alive because you're going to eat something because it's in front of you going to eat it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if you get a chance to rest, you're going to rest, you're not going to expend any extra energy, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: The natural mode is cruise control, taking the easiest route, using the least amount of energy, getting through whatever situation you're in with minimal friction. [SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, in modern life, that just leads to disaster. [SPEAKER_00]: So we want to get in that situation where we can switch to manual mode, but it's not easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not easy. [SPEAKER_00]: One thing that makes it not easy is it happens without recognition, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like when you're driving and all of a sudden, fifteen minutes went by and you don't remember it. [SPEAKER_00]: But you didn't switch into cruise control. [SPEAKER_00]: It switched on you or did I turn off the toaster of it? [SPEAKER_00]: Did I lock the door?
[SPEAKER_00]: right where did you park the car right you go to the the mall and you don't remember where you parked car because you were in full cruise control did this is one that happens to me did I pack that thing that I need for the trip you know I don't even room I always have it [SPEAKER_00]: But I'll be going to the airport like always second. [SPEAKER_00]: Did I bring time more? [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's it's and it's there, but I did it in full cruise control. [SPEAKER_00]: So going into cruise control happens [SPEAKER_00]: Without us consciously deciding to go to that mode and there's actually different like psychological names for this Automatic processing procedural memory just procedural memory. [SPEAKER_00]: You're just doing Doing the thing here's a good a good name good term cognitive offload [SPEAKER_00]: cognitive offload.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is when you just let your surroundings or your routine or your, you know, devices carry part of your mental loader. [SPEAKER_00]: Now we can use this to our advantage, right? [SPEAKER_00]: With that let making a making notes about what you have to do tomorrow, that's cognitive offload. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't think about anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: You already have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good thing, but when you let your phone be the cognitive offload, when you let Netflix be the cognitive offload, when you let the, would just go with the flow, I was just driving and there was a detour. [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a car in front of me. [SPEAKER_00]: And then there was a vehicle that was clearly like part of the whole construction process in front of that car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that construction vehicle is delivering some material to like the construction that was happening on the road. [SPEAKER_00]: And that kind of like in this detour that vehicle pulled off to like start off loading. [SPEAKER_00]: And the car in front of me was just so [SPEAKER_00]: in cognitive offload, it just followed the car and followed this truck into the construction site.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a dude waving his hands, you know, guy with a slow sign, he's waving his hands at the car and he's looking at me and we like locked eyes and he kind of gave me like the look of like dude, I'm glad you're freaking have a brain. [SPEAKER_00]: But the person in front of me told me cognitive offload, procedural memory, just follow the car in front of you and we're going to be good. [SPEAKER_01]: That's real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that I just literally saw it fifteen minutes ago and in fact there and I tell you the story before where because like
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, it's like, hey, you gotta be confident. [SPEAKER_01]: Follow the crowd thing is like, hey, you gotta be calm because if someone person panics in the next person panics in everyone panics because their brain just automatically goes into, well, there's a panic situation. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the other one was, yeah, they automatically go where they came in. [SPEAKER_01]: The exit is right here. [SPEAKER_01]: Big red exit or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they still do that. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's real. [SPEAKER_01]: That's really in so many situations. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And this or same. [SPEAKER_00]: This problem that we all have is very common. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another word. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I would say it's an adjacent term in intentional blindness, failing to see things that are happening because your focus elsewhere. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You ever heard the idea that we only used ten percent of our brain, right? [SPEAKER_01]: They said, I mean, and I don't know where we came down on now and if that's true or not true, whatever, but I think it's like ten percent of your attention. [SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't be surprised if it's even less, but because, make it for me. [SPEAKER_01]: But you, okay, so I was changing a battery in a smoke detector yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so in this particular room this ceiling was really high, so I had to get a ladder. [SPEAKER_01]: So when you know it's how you get a freaking light, huge ladders. [SPEAKER_01]: So I went up and I was barefoot on the ladder. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was changing the battery in there was taped in there. [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if you remember what a smoke detector battery got to undo it. [SPEAKER_01]: and the wires are still connected.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my hands are up above, right? [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm got it, but I got a focus, because the time is ticking because my shoulders get tired, you know, all this stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, these things people that are here from the combat stories will be figured fired up there this way. [SPEAKER_00]: These are every change you had to have a battery in your hand and you're doing it. [SPEAKER_00]: We're getting tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling, okay, so this isn't an attention story. [SPEAKER_01]: Like how?
[SPEAKER_01]: how you literally won't pay attention to like what's going on even if it's a loud signal we'll say in principle so I'm changing this battery right so I got to undo the tape and then I have to make sure like the battery fits in perfect and then and it's upside you know you're upside down right so the battery can fall out because you got to take up the tape so anyway I'm trying to focus on this like freaking full on bomb diffusal freaking mental scenario finally getting it in yeah yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it and finally I switch the other battery boom I put it in right I put it in boom boom done and you know where you know when you get a little task done it's like a little mental like gratification and you can almost almost like you can exhale right so boom my exhale and then all of a sudden I realized my feet hurt real bad just right then and there and I'm like free because that latter had this weird rough like the surface to it you know and I was barefoot feet were kind of sensitive
[SPEAKER_01]: and Brian and her started hurting just all of a sudden right when the battery went in and clicked it on my feet started hurting that up like oh my god my feet ended up like all this thing that I climbed down to whatever it was like wait a second I didn't even feel that while I was putting the battery in because I was so attentive you know my attention was so attentive to that freaking task seems to me from telling you that's all life is like you you have any idea how much stuff you're missing in life because we're focused on this for that whatever seems to me
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, another good story of raw survival for you. [SPEAKER_00]: Check. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another good one. [SPEAKER_00]: Pre-conscious processing. [SPEAKER_00]: Mental operations and information handling that occur just outside of immediate conscious awareness, but the readily accessible, the readily accessible, can be brought to consciousness with little effort or the right trigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: So things can be happening [SPEAKER_00]: And you, they're right just outside of like the conscious. [SPEAKER_00]: They're just kind of happening. [SPEAKER_00]: And while it takes away, wait a second, what's that? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I need to get focused on this thing, which again, to me, this is important because if you're not paying attention to it, you won't see what's happening. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not paying attention to it, you won't see what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not paying attention to it, you won't see what's happening. [SPEAKER_00]: You'll just be falling that car from front of you. [SPEAKER_00]: And you'll be sitting inside of a construction site. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think my favorite of these different terms is behavioral inertia, behavioral inertia. [SPEAKER_00]: inertia does not cause anything to happen. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just sort of like, it's just the steady state of what's happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the body arrest tends to stay arrested, body emotion tends to stay motion. [SPEAKER_00]: That's inertia. [SPEAKER_00]: That's inertia. [SPEAKER_00]: And inertia is a passive thing. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's just happening. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not making the thing go, but it's going, and it's going to keep going. [SPEAKER_00]: Or it's not, it's not going to make the thing stop, but it's stopping. [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be hard to move, because that's inertia.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea that you have behavioral inertia just the tendency just to keep kind of doing what you're doing is [SPEAKER_00]: is scary. [SPEAKER_00]: It turns you into an NPC, which I know you're familiar with this term. [SPEAKER_00]: It turns you into a non-player character, because non-player characters can only go through the motions that the whatever seven things that they can do with their hands.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've ever seen those videos of people being NPCs, like real black people being NPCs, we've ever seen those? [SPEAKER_00]: The where they're like physically acting like that and they'll like say the same thing again like they're like they're an NPC but they're in real life. [SPEAKER_00]: I always think those are pretty funny. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's strange that there's that we do that [SPEAKER_00]: We just get into the mode of we're just habitual behavioral inertia.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to keep doing the same thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, just do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Just do the thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, can some of those things be good? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And you were talking before he record today. [SPEAKER_00]: You have some behavioral inertia. [SPEAKER_00]: That's good. [SPEAKER_00]: Like when you wake up in the morning, you're going to you're going to lift at least you're in that mode right now recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm in fully in that boat. [SPEAKER_00]: Like when I wake up, there's this behavioral nurse show I'm gonna get up, get out of bed, you're gonna go work out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes a little bit too much. [SPEAKER_00]: I need some pre-workout the other day. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't take it. [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I would have afterwards because I was like, I kind of, I was very tired. [SPEAKER_00]: I was very sore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wanted to chill and I should have just gone full pre-workout, you know, five o'clock in the morning pre-workout. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go. [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes, sometimes I just need that hitter. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fully. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that and and assuming like, you know, I'm not an expert on behavioral interest, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Just learn that today. [SPEAKER_01]: You know that about me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the principle still remains, regardless of when it happens or what you need or what it's still part of your day because it's just been part of your day. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no like, hey, I need to pattern inner pattern interrupt my whole thing and start working out now. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, workout is just normal. [SPEAKER_01]: Regardless of when it is, like, yeah, like me, I'll wake up. [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'll work out, but it'll be like the run or walk or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, it's like a routine. [SPEAKER_01]: But if there's no workout, that's the weird stopping of the inertia. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: We look down on NPCs. [SPEAKER_00]: That's like a, that's like an insult on Twitter, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's an insult in the world. [SPEAKER_00]: The call is someone like, oh, that's just an NPC. [SPEAKER_00]: Just a non-player character.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just will program, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they're, they don't mean nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: They're meaningless in significant irrelevant. [SPEAKER_00]: If we're not careful, we become them. [SPEAKER_00]: We have to engage our brains. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think when I was thinking about [SPEAKER_00]: this podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think sometimes I need that. [SPEAKER_00]: I need to break my own behavioral inertia.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to make sure I'm not being an NPC. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think other people are the same way. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, you know, doing something where we can help people switch into manual mode, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Doing something where we can help people snap out of the behavioral inertia, make me think, make you think, because [SPEAKER_00]: Here's the deal. [SPEAKER_00]: If we allow behavioral inertia to be in control, many of the things that we do will be wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we have bad habits, we have bad behaviors. [SPEAKER_00]: And like I said earlier, we're programmed as humans to take the path of least resistance. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what our genetic programming is to save energy. [SPEAKER_00]: It's to follow familiar patterns. [SPEAKER_00]: We're from a physiological perspective. [SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed to overheat [SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed to have a bias towards physical inactivity, like we're programmed for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That includes avoiding physical activity if we can. [SPEAKER_00]: It includes over indexing on rest. [SPEAKER_00]: It includes avoidance of discomfort, right? [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to be too tired. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to be too hot. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to be too cold. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to be too uncomfortable. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all something that is programmed into us.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and then from a psychological perspective, we're programmed with impatience, we're programmed with selfishness, we're programmed with jealousy. [SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed to have a close mind. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you are programmed psychologically, you don't hear any of the else's ideas. [SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed to avoid responsibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly, we oppose taking ownership [SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed for a lack of concentration because then the caveman days, if you got too focused on that one thing, you would get attacked by a Sabre II tiger. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're just constantly kind of looking around going from this going to that. [SPEAKER_00]: Here's another thing. [SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed to think negatively. [SPEAKER_00]: We're drawn towards negative information. [SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because positive information doesn't kill the caveman. [SPEAKER_00]: Negative information kills the caveman. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to know what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: I walk out upon a scene and there's bad stuff and good stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to know about the bad stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Because the good stuff isn't going to kill me. [SPEAKER_00]: The bad stuff is going to kill me. [SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed to avoid change.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed to conform to social pressure. [SPEAKER_00]: We're programmed to procrastinate things that are going to be good in the long term because we're programmed for immediate gratification. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're programmed for. [SPEAKER_00]: We want to get food right now. [SPEAKER_00]: We want to feel good right now. [SPEAKER_00]: We want to get warm right now. [SPEAKER_00]: We're asked what we're programmed for. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how we stayed alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we had freaking Instacart and Uber eats and controlled temperature in our house. [SPEAKER_00]: Before all these things, you had to just, oh look, if I can get warmer right now, I'm gonna get warmer right now. [SPEAKER_00]: If I get food right now, I'm gonna eat it all, all of it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the way we're programmed. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you don't engage your brain, you will follow your human programming. [SPEAKER_00]: I will follow my human programming.
[SPEAKER_00]: In order to resist that, we have to shift into manual mode. [SPEAKER_00]: We have to take control of our mind, mind control. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I'm thinking about doing here. [SPEAKER_00]: Helping each other get our minds right. [SPEAKER_01]: So all these, a lot of this overlaps with the cognitive biases and the, you know, we're programmed to do these things or whatever in your right, they're for, they're kind of, they're basically a defense or protection like mechanism.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so this comprehensively, this is auto, right, auto motor or automatic mode, right. [SPEAKER_01]: So at any given moment, switching to manual, [SPEAKER_01]: You'd be surprised how much that helps you actually you said this a long time ago and it applied to something a little bit different but to me the principle like literally is this when you said I made it sure about it said, uh, what are you doing right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that like I like I know slightly different because you applied it to like your guys right when you're training guys and it's like hey, you gotta be looking for something like told whatever like what are you doing right now? [SPEAKER_01]: But when you said that, it stuck with me and every once in a while, you can kind of feel it. [SPEAKER_01]: You can kind of feel yourself in that auto inertia mode, especially when it builds up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I use that, well, I'll be like, hey, what are you doing right now? [SPEAKER_01]: Like literally what are you doing? [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's almost like and then you kind of have this weird mental detachment from like your whole life everything you did today yesterday last week Anything that you you know like do you are you planning on anything like do you have a goal right now? [SPEAKER_01]: Like what are you doing right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the whole thing probably it helps and then you can be like oh, yeah, look I've been doing this just automatically I must stop that I'm gonna do this other thing instead, you know, you can start making these conscious decisions [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that came from being out in the field training guys. [SPEAKER_00]: And you'd see some young seal or old seal. [SPEAKER_00]: And there's chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: There's confusion going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I can say to like, what are you doing right now? [SPEAKER_00]: And they would not know. [SPEAKER_00]: They would not know what they were doing. [SPEAKER_00]: And so if you don't know what you're doing, they're just going with the flow. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's problems out there. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I say the same thing in my kids, it used to really piss them off. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? [SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna do it right now. [SPEAKER_00]: They took great offensive. [SPEAKER_00]: Why did they take offense to it? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, because they knew they were cruising. [SPEAKER_01]: They knew, well, look, this is not going to get into whole thing. [SPEAKER_01]: But you have a certain, there's an element to your presence that kind of magnifies certain thing. [SPEAKER_01]: You're right at the end of the day, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think when we're accurate, we're putting it is. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not because they knew they were doing the wrong thing. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they knew they were not doing the right thing. [SPEAKER_01]: It was that they know that you think. [SPEAKER_01]: They're doing their own thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing the right thing and they have a lot of value in your opinion and the line you're dead and you're the authority and you're you and all this other stuff So it amplified you're right though. [SPEAKER_00]: You're correct like what you're saying is correct, but that's why yeah, and that's why it's important to ask yourself that over and over again [SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing right now? [SPEAKER_00]: And that will help you shift into manual mode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you shift into manual mode and take control of what's happening, things will get better. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we're doing here. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the manual podcast episode one. [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to support go to jockelfield.com, check out originusa.com. [SPEAKER_00]: JoccoStore.com, and echelonfront.com. [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for listening. [SPEAKER_00]: Until next time.