Free Your Mind and Your Algorithm Will Follow

would saying Diddy for everybody you know me. I was just at the I'm sorry, hello everyone, how are you? Yes, we're going to titty late, let's do it, and and then tentifying like yes sink Claire as they say a DC A tenny ball. I'm sorry, Okay, I'm sorry. We are having a good day. Okay. I hope that you all are having a good day too. It's funny like this is the way we want to feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we want to feel like joyful and energetic and you know,

kind of reason to smile. It's funny though that we will suck around on this Beyonce's Internet, and out of all the fantastic things that there are, people are you know, there's a lot of positive energy, a lot of positive things to say. We say, we look at these things and scroll right on buy and wait for some chaos, wait for some train wrecks, for some foolishness. Really like, seriously, something that a fool would do, you know, to make the king laugh. You know, that's what we're waiting for.

And I'm wondering, I'm wondering why we do that. We have a guest today that is going to talk about these things with us eight Ja Graden Dance. If you'd be so kind, y'all know that I if you listen to show, you know, I'd be on the internet, Okay, I'd be on the social media's and you know, and certainly it is, you know, not a place that doesn't have more than enough charismatic people who will pull in the vibe and before you know it, they like all

the way social media is famous. But they are absolutely and one hundred percent probably mad tick And the worst problematic earth that you can do is then tell their loyal and I mean fanatical audience that they are a problem. And there you have it, it becomes a war outside. No man is safe safe, you know what I'm saying. So anyway, I want to introduce y'all to our guests

for today. His name is f D Signifier. He is a former educator and researcher turned content creator who specializes in analyzing black culture and black experience through media analysis. His previous experience is working with boys and men and researching behavioral health. Has continued in his work discussing issues of gender and masculinity in his content. So y'all know, he gets really talked about real bad on the people's social media's you know what I'm saying, and they come

for you. Finally, I want y'all to know right now that he is a loving husband and father of two black boys. Him invested interest in contributing to a better world where his boys can feel safe, actualized You're gonna underline that, and fully realized humans underlining quote unquote strong black men. In between content creation, FD is a media junkie and Chicago Bears fan, which you want to talk

about because we and a gamer. So anyway, I heard this guy and he really, hands down has one of the best analysis that I've seen on the people's internet, and they can't come for him and call him all the names because he fits into all of the stereotypical uh you know boxes married and surprise though they still do. But welcome, welcome, welcome FD signifier to Jay by Area. I love the name. Thank you so much. Don't even though, like I gotta get the nerves out, especially after you

read them a little bio. I'm like, oh shit, I'm really here? Are we cursing? Yeah? Okay, cool. We didn't have a whole titty roundtable moment to get into the it's a teddy round table. So yeah, this is this is dope. This is uh a dream come true in a weird way. Like I'm gonna tell when I tell my boys that I was on a zoom call with Jill Scott. No, no shade of a lady in the room. But I'm just keeping the room. You know. It is Harry's done. You know it was it was, it was twisted,

it roped up. I was like, I need to get these curls crimping for on this podcast. The elbows are moisturized. I got my most medium shirt. You know what I'm saying, Like, no, thank you so yes, yeah, So this is just like a wild experience to be here to talk my ship to people that I admire, this is this is crazy for me. So I'm very appreciative to be here and hope that I can contribute what y'all want from my presence. This is her social media is as wild is a

wild experience. So we need some navigation. Oh man, uh

just leave like like real talk. I am twittering less, uh in twenty twenty three, especially on Elon must twitter because after you get a certain amount of followers or whatever, and especially if you talk about certain things and you in different populations of a political thought, like one tweet that you're not thinking too hard about will haunt you for a whole week, you know what I'm saying, and and be don cost you a couple of thousand subs or a couple of nights arguing with people. So we

I'm it, Twitter hacks your brain. So I'm trying to reduce my presence there, you know, but you still follow me as if they sitting on Twitter. You at. One of the things that I always find interesting about the way that you you look at things is like, you know, you try to find this kind of fair way to discuss this right and get into all the different ways

that people can be drawn in. And one of the things that you know that that hurts us, particularly as Black people, is that we are very much kind of tied into charismatic people. You know, we talk about out Malcolm X and mL K and you know, these leaders and the movement icons, and we look at this moment

and I think we're very emotionally attached to this. And so do you see like a connection between what are the desires of black people and how do we get kind of pulled into these moments with these specific type of personalities online Because you guys, remember it used to be like a melody, you know, well, I mean I think that may still be a very big part of it. You know, you've got the pastors and and you know why, you know that people come back over and over and

over again. There's a cadence in the rhythm that's still you know, people, So like, I'm not I'm gonna try to throw as minimal shade to people as possible, but I'm gonna just say a particular Pan African political figure that has popped up a lot, I'm sure you all he does that very will, and that is the key I would say to his prominence, Um he's been on Breakfast Club a couple of times. Um he's building a school.

I'm sure he is right. So like he has an excellent like he embodies that that like rhythm of the pastor. You know what I'm saying. That was a thing for Kevin Samuel's where it's like there's an image, especially for black men that we kind of desire this cadence in this image. To answer your question, I think black folks just want to see like health and wellness in front of us. We want to see success. Who want to see blackness that hasn't been ruined by white supremacy. You

know what I experience. And so if you show them that, even if it's not quite real, even if it's a little even if the message is a little thrown off, you get attached to the image because that image is you know, that's the thing that gets us going, because that's maybe the thing we want to pursue. You go back to Fred Hampton, you know what I mean. You ever hear Fred Hampton talk, He sounds like a pastor. You know, it's it's a rhythment. Maybe it's in our bones.

Maybe it's in the melan I don't know, but it's in there, so we gravitate to that. But it's also you know, to me, honestly, it just seems like the uglier the energy is behind something, you know, whatever it is you're talking about, whether you're talking about sports or you're talking about music or faith, whatever it is, it seems like the uglier the energy, the more people are

attracted to it. And you know, I don't know about the rest of y'all, but that definitely concerns me because we're seeing things like toxic relationships, and we're watching it and it is fascinating. It's fascinating in the middle of the street, Yes, it's very fascinating, right right, Like nobody wants that, right right, I mean, we want to consume it. Maybe I don't think anybody wants to be fighting in the middle of the street, but I don't know. There's

it's hard to look away. And so then one thing I talk about a lot in my content is how so much of our consumption of media now is controlled by algorithmsifier thank you. I don't know how deep, y'all I get into it, but like, like YouTube, Twitter, TikTok Facebook. Once upon a time, you just had an account and you connected your friends to your account or the people you like to watch your account, and that's what showed

up when you opened up the app. And ten or so years ago, a little more than that, probably people started understanding algorithmically based consumption models for these apps were better for keeping up engagement, aka better for keeping you scrolling, to keep you looking, to keep you on the app.

And so the most engaging thing for humans across the board tends to be the abhorrent, the scary, the disgusting, the repulse of the violent, the things that like, it's a proven thing in research that you will sit and look at something that brings you that makes you feel anger or discussed longer than something that makes you feel joy. Like that's just they've they've tested this, and so world Star exists, right, Like it's why a site like world

Star can exist. World Star was probably where they figured it out, Like world Star started before all of this stuff. It algorithm is popping world Star wars like yo fight videos and and and upfront about it. Yeah, this is where this is kind of what we're here for. And and really with that the whole reality of that from like a from science, okay, like just from the data, okay, knowing that as black people we have to kind of enter into this space like hyper aware, knowing that this

is what is happening to us. And what's messed up about is that social media has been a place where we really have benefited from some very good information. So what I find is really difficult is or especially to explain to other black folks whom I love, is that, Okay, listen, just because you believe a thing right, you believe this thing right, and you look at content that validates this

thing you believe. Every time you look at that content, you're getting more and more of it, and so in your mind, you're thinking, I'm getting my belief validated through the information that I'm taking in. So I'm researched, I've looked at all of the you know, I've heard it

from five different sources. When the app is basically saying, Okay, you like strawberries, I'm just going to send you fifty different types of strawberry content so that you start to believe that strawberries is the preferred fruit for the entire you know country, everybody likes strawberries. No one's allergic, you

know what I'm saying. It was like I think that at the end of the day, it's like this thing where we we go to a go there for something and it has now become really our Achilles heel, you know what I'm saying, and soul. Anyway, I just love you to kind of speak to some of that energy as we're as we're out here trying to get conscious. Like okay, we're out here trying to get woked it and trying to figure stuff out. You ain't gonna do it through social media, not without a real You better

hit them encyclopedias back up. That's that's where my like, if you want to ask you my my intellectual foundation started. It was being a nerdy little boy who had that full own box set of all the books in the basement. So it's the Nintendo, it was, it was my cousin's DJ tables, and it was Encyclopedia. That was our culture and our time. So yeah, all of us had that, but no, honey, I had our through them. Okay, girl, I keep trying to tell you it was bougie the

whole thing. Neither don't get it. I had the whole thing, and I'm from North Philly, North Side. I'm just saying I was Chicago suburbs. I own the relative boogeness of my experience. You know it is, we enjoy it. It's a Chicago thing to a degree. People don't talk about that part of Chicago. Chicago old black money. Got some old black money in Chicago, right right, Which we'll circle back to that in a second. Maybe. Yeah. My point

was to amplify what Age was just saying. If I search something on Google or better yet, on one YouTube, especially YouTube tracks what I searched for, and it gives me what it thinks is its best like answers to that question, and then it tracks which one I click on, and then it uses that information to say, okay, this person is you know, it pulls all It's like it's like one of the Matrix movie where they pulling off

the screens in the one spot. It does that to kind of say, okay, we know now collecting data on this user, and we're going to surround this user with things that will keep it watching. And just as as Agent said, this tricks us into thinking that this is all of YouTube, this is the world, This is the

information that everybody's seeing. But no, that is information that has been curated for you to see, not for accuracy or for your intellectual enhancement, but for you to keep watching and so it will catch it will catch tendencies, and it's and it's got two billion users, so it's seen enough for us before to say, Okay, this person clicked this, this, and this, so we know exactly what to bring to the table and what it brings to

the table. If it's some bullshit, if it's some wild shit, if it knows it places your vulnerabilities and it'll keep you clicking. Like the thing I talked about a lot in one of my videos when I was talking about

the manisphere, is that my research. And this is not like I am an academic researcher by trade, but this is also this is YouTube the time, right, But the research I've done, the people I'll talk to the Minister of People will come at between like thirteen and twenty two and they'll give you six months to two years.

The average person, and what happens is they have a breakup, they get cheated on, they get dumped, they strike out on a girl they really liked, they feel like they got played, they got you know whatever, and they start they'll just search how to talk the girls. And so how to talk the girls might start with some decent, you know, some decent advice. Yo, be yourself and you know, make sure you wear your best outfit. Don't be trying to talk to girls when when you ask you whatever,

it'll start with that. But like two or three more clicks in this. You know women, you wouldn't be so hard. Women were more submissive. And if black women didn't do this and didn't do that. And once you start and you're vulnerable in that moment because you're usually coming from a place of lacking pain, and you hear people in your ear telling you exactly what you want to hear, it's a very it's a grooming process, and boys are

actually groomed from early on. That's why that statement I made at the beginning, not just strong black men, because while I aspire to and desire that from myself and my sons, that sets a precedent for boys to be groomed into certain attitudes and certain world views that are harmful not just to other people if they don't do it right, but to their own emotional wellness. And so if you like been in that for a long time and you start getting them videos telling you it's all

the women's fault, man, that'll suck you right in. I don't know what it is. It's in our brains, it's in our systems. We see the results. You know. It's the same thing with the q onin folks, any type of nonsense when people are vulnerable, the nonsense will that feels that vulnerability, that makes them feel whole again, They're gonna seek that out like a drug in the algorithm, just a computer. I don't care. It just knows you can keep watching these ads. That's all it cares about.

More real talk after the break. So while you're out there trying to kind of counteract us as a creator, right, and you're out there saying, okay, I'm pointing this out to y'all and specifically about the minisphere, which when you answer this, I would love for you to like just kind of give our listeners a little bit of a

background and what that is. But I think, um, so while you're out there doing that, what is the reaction from from your own folk black folk men and women, Like, what is this reaction like when you say, Hey, this is what you're listening to is playing to your vulnerability. There's a problem. What is the feedback? It's a Bill Kurve, right, So it's like a variety of different responses. The first thing I want to put out there is that you know, and I'm sure you I assume that you all have

experienced in real life like good brothers. You know what I'm saying. We all know, we all know a few of them dudes. But like in my experience, most of the men in my life and that I've been around, wouldn't set foot in the manisphere, wouldn't be caught dead. Like I said it in one of my videos, these dudes are low key, really losers. But they but they're they're charged up, like they're propped up by the algorithms.

They're propped up because they make for good content. Literally hilarious. Yeah, it's very exactly. You know, train wrecks. You know, I'm going to use some language that clowns. I'm trying. I'm trying to be careful of my in my language about ableis and mental illness. Clown clown niggels. I feel good about that one. And so a clown nigga can't be

the center of attention anywhere but the Internet. But if he gets in the Internet and he's surrounded by the clown niggas, he becomes like clown clown, he becomes Kevin Samuels, you know what I'm saying. Like, if you know Kevin Samuels's background, you know, and this is not to disparage the dead for those who are sensitive to that, but if you if you research his background, that man was a buffoon and a loser for most of his life until he embarrassed a black woman and collected a lot

of clowns. You know what I'm saying. And some of his clowns where other black women. Let's be let's keep a buck, keep it a buck, um, right right, right. So to answer your question, I have a lot of black men, the vast I would say. If I have four hundred thousand some chain subscribers, I'm gonna say thirty

forty percent of that as black men. And most of those men are like, I am so happy to hear somebody speaking and making me feel like I'm not crazy, you know what I'm saying, making me feel like I'm not the only one, because you know, We're gonna be real. We're still a lot of men. Most men still operate with a traditional classically masculine persona and ideology that's tied to patriarchy, and that can be that has lots of evidence that that doesn't lead to good things in certain situations,

white supremacy. You know, these these traditional gender norms are tend to be unhealthy and in their best their typhone. If there worse, they're Kevin Samuels, right, And so you know, I don't I don't expect every brother to be as deep into the leftist theory as I am. But a lot of brothers don't like how black women, especially online, talk about us and perceive us. And it's because we've allowed these Well before I used to say, it's because we've allowed these other men to speak for us on

social media platforms. And what I found out after getting on here is that it's almost impossible to be a black man and gain a platform without doing that crazy shit. You know what I'm saying, because the algorithm will not reward it. I gotta go on. It's gotta be one, it's got to be more than just got be. But let's take that statement that all more of them will not reward it. And people are making a living off

of the Internet. And if you don't have something that's salacious or a spirited then you're not going to make the money that you you possibly could, or at least making other people money. You gotta be able to make other people money if you ain't got that other stuff. Isn't this doubly triplely dangerous for black folk? Oh yeah, like to engage in this kind of behavior. Yeah, it's it's it's all those things because there and we're also furthering the perception of who we are. Yeah, yeah, we

continuing that. It's it's it's a very hard So, like I got on because I did some uh I pults me. So I don't know some Michael Eric Dyson, uh some Uh what's the what's the Van Jones? I did some really good like, Hey, I'm a here's a video. I am an intelligent I mean to stand up intellectual black man. Yes I am intellectual black man that I love black women Jones. But yes, I will talk to you about race, but I won't make you feel so bad. Here's me explaining to all the things. And so like I didn't

know I was doing that. I was just making videos and then but I started to see like who I was attracting with that. Now I was like, okay, okay, I'm seeing how to split together. So my next video, I'm starting out talking about the Saint Louis Race riots first vide, I'll have to hit a million views my next video. I started out with the Saint Louis Race riots. But to kind of like say yes to you know what YA was saying. I got on by proving myself

valuable to a whole different audience. And once I kind of had that in hand, I started saying, how can I serve essentially two masters? How can I bring out all this other stuff that is truly more important to me as a creator, but also make sure that algorithm respects my gangster and keeps on showing people my videos because people will have a million subscribers. But every video is a new as a news. It's like I call it a credit score. It's like a credit check. And

so like, right now, I got really good credit. So if I drop a video, YouTube's like, hey, send that nigga video everywhere. If we're good, that bore good. But if I drop a couple of turns a couple of joints that don't do well people not feeling them. It's going to drop my credit score, and even if even if nobody unsubscribed to my channel, it's going to be hard for my video to reach as many people as it did if I kept that credit score up. Thus like and share. So in that mindset, there's a formula.

I'm guessing that you know this. There's like it must be at least a few things that you do for Relic in every video to kind of know that this will at least get me here, right? Are there things

like that something like that? Like I know, so YouTube gives you all your data and tells you about your audience or who your audience watching, what they're searching for, etc. So like, right now, my audience has been really like I made a Lauren Hill video a couple of months back, and so like people keep searching for Lauren Hill and

find my video. So like the algorithms telling me, hey, making another Lauren Hill video, and I'm like, I don't know if you understand that that's not going to really work. I'm gonna trust my own instincts and then try to do like Lauren Hill all the time and lose a

lot of people. So it gives you data. So yes, like my next video, the video, I got a video coming out in two weeks that's just gonna be all about drama and like a lot of what I'm talking to y'a all about, right, So I know that's gonna kill. And then after that, I'm going to talk about men's desirability, which I know I have a strong male fan base and there's a lot of women that want to learn and understand men better, So I know that video's gonna

do well. After that, I'm talking about black leftist movements and black political movements from like you know, I'm explaining how Mark the King and Malcolm X are really socialists and stuff like that. That'll be good, right, the same audience, And exactly I'm gonna wait for that video, right right, you have worried about my drama videos. I'm gonna talk about these white folks thisssing me on the back end,

right I know they are. But then I'm gonna come back to give you some life when I get back to this Fred Hampton, Uh the King stuff, w boys, black nationalism stuff. It's like, okay, now, I gotta pull y'all back in, because that's that's why I want to say anywhere this is mind blowing because people don't really, I don't know, people respect content creators enough to know that, Like, do y'all realize that this man just said he has already prepared for four shows, like he's a month ahead

and it's more than that months? How many months? I'm four videos down right now? So four months if I release one one a month, okay, you know my and then all of that to the thing is one for the algorithm, one for the fans, one for you, hold on right, one for the did your school listen? Write it down? Down? One more time? The man has damn there half a million subscribers. That's done a year and a half. One for the algorithm, come on. Two one for the fans, one for the fans, one for you,

one for you. I'm doing like I'm doing like two for the algorithm, one for the ands, and then one for me. Um And that last one is uh is a I almost don't want to say it because I just wanted to be a surprise with people. It's about a rapper. It's about a rapper that don't nobody talk about no more. But he's low key one of the most influential rappers to ever spit but like he was such a a weird, unique figure that like he just kind of disappeared. Nope, Nope. When I tell this story,

you're gonna be like you right, You're right. I don't. I still like them, but because I don't like him, he's hilarious to me. But when I when I went through his story, I was like, Yo, this story is like, this is like one of the most important figures in hip hop is alive. He's still alive. He's still making music too. But you gotta wait till like March March, March April ish. That's when the show, that's when you're doing. That's when that video is going to Oh my god,

I gotta get my min together. That is a beautiful planning, it is. But this is the thing, right, So, if you're gonna be righteous, I'm sorry, if you're going to even try to be righteous in these on these platforms, in these streets, you have to be very intentional. And what that has to tell you is that those who don't mean you any good are also intentional. Who if who who claim to be righteous, but everything about them says that they are feeding the algorithm. They want the

algorithm to reward them. And so these are things I need to be clear on. Yeah, is this so, is this an entire world of for lack of a better phrase, sellouts. I mean, it's selling out now though, but it for different purposes. Yeah, I would say it's for the same purpose. It's just easier to do it now. And it's more like the rewards are more instant, you know what I mean, Like, can you talk about that? Can you talk about the rewards?

The rewards are clout, fame, money, you know what I'm saying, and low effort like the thing that's the other thing that's crazy. So let's you know, insert I'm much again. I'm gonna try to not throw shave it. Insert like Raggedy Nigga here with a platform, right, you know, just putting in your head and then think about how much work I put for agencies. You've watched, You've seen how much work I'll be putting in my videos. You know, I'm writing ten thousand words scripts. I got a whole editor,

I paid for per project. I got music direction from my head, I got art direction. I'm on Twitter. I'm managing like I'm doing all kinds of stuff because I know the algorithm. I gotta keep showing it's it's really on some twice as good for half as much shit. But if I was a coofye nigga that just wanted to shoot on black women, I could easily make the same amount, do the same numbers, and and with like

a fraction of the effort. Like you look at you look at Kevin Samuels's rise, like he never even had decent audio, Like he never got he never figured out. Yeah, but no, right he show up, he says. And the funniest thing is when you hear people say, the excuse that most folks would make for Kevin Samuels is that he just really wanted to help black people. You know what I'm saying, He's just running black men and women to get right and get married, et cetera, et cetera.

Which if you, if you stretch, you could you could pull that out of his content. But what you what you realize if you do the research, is that whatever positive he was doing, what didn't nobody care? What nobody paying attention until he started embarrassing black women. And when he started embarrassing black women. Yeah, suddenly the floodgates opened for him to get more attention. He started going viral over and over again, and then he became this prophet

to people. You know what I'm saying, it's like, oh were you what did you come for? When did you? When did you get there? Because he would talk bad as he would talk just as bad about black men as he did black women on at times. It's just that those pieces wouldn't always take it out of the into virility. And is this cross cultural? What I'm asking is if an Asian man did the same to Asian women, if a Latin like is it just asked the question? Yeah, sorry,

it's number one? Is this cross cultural? Where it occurs? And number two, would they be as successful or are we just the most successful at this because of black women being in the target. It's it's so this a both end. So yes, it's cross cultural. However, shitting on black people is like the top tier. That's the that's the code, is it, Kobe b for that's the that's

the top of the top of the food chain. One thing I realized, so within the manisphere, there are no major white figures, none of the major figures in the manisphere that have been successful over the years have been white men. They've all been South Asian. Um uh, we'll say racially yea South Asian, not East Asian. That's a very clear thing. They're a South Asian racially ambiguous, right, Well, we're talking about as a guy, one of the new guys.

It's his name is Hamza. He's not as overtly toxic, but he is a South Asian man from the UK, very dark skinned, very good shape, and it's it's something about how we consume. One thing people don't think about is how everybody We talk about patriarchy in general, and understandably so we're usually thinking about how patriarchy affects women because women are usually on the receiving end of the

worst effects of patriarchy. But we don't always we don't always have a good breakdown of how patriarchy is fueled by the bodies the humanity of men, and the most useful fuel is always going to be men of color, because patriarchy of a self is a white supremacist construct. So white men don't want to see other white men. We don't want to see other white men acting crazy towards their women. That ruins the mystique. We are on a pedestal, so you're not supposed to do that. You

can't be doing that. So if you are a white man, you can talk crazy about and trust me, those dudes are out there, but they'll never be big because they will be like there's an internal element especially and proud boys don't do that. They do they do on the load, but we just do that doesn't make it out. There's plenty of like proud boys have done, they do on the load, but that doesn't make it. That doesn't make it out. What that doesn't go viral, that doesn't go

to the top their success? Yes, what gives them? Do they get out? You know with the racism and the qcause. But for for misogyny, we have it because it has to be men of color, because misogyny is only really okay against women of color who are real them in to begin with, I can't deal with these truths. Put this to these people. No, no, seriously, listen, Oh babay, my edges are tangling because they're growing. A tan is coming in. It's so thick to see the hair growing.

It's like a y and silky Jill Okay, I think I think she is shocked. Ladies and gentlemen, Jill, I think she. I don't know. We're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be right back. I want you to keep going about the humanity of men and how patriarchy really affects them as a black women, because no, seriously no, because this is something we don't talk about. There is there does seem to be to be an uptick and black men who are starting to express just

how heavy this load has been. Unfortunately some of them tend to express that frustration towards black women. But help us, help us to help them or help them to make this connection as to who is really at fault for the fact that you don't feel human and that how patriarchy is really like chilling on your shoulder's head neck back on a chess daily. So let's let's be clear. The source of this problem is white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. Now us, that's your good old Bill Hooks. And some

brothers hate hate on Bill Hooks. But like I ain't one of them. You know what I'm saying. Every every scholar has their flaws. Bill Hooks as less than most and gives and gave gave life when I needed it as a black man, when I was having my sons um And so it starts with that because black people were never meant to like embody these gender norms and like ideals as we strive to do. And I'm not saying you should do that. I'm I am a heterosexual man,

bread winner. Now offer YouTube money. Two kids, two boys, were raising them as boys until further notice, Like I am not put pulling the classic nature of of what's it's safe is to do as a human in this country. It's safe is to just go with the flow unless you can't do it right. But what happens is we start to think, and this is something, this is a survival tactic from black people. We say, yo, you keep doing this other shit. We can't stop stop that. You

know what I'm saying. As little girls, it was you acting fast. Pull you know that skirt too short? You know what I'm saying. The attitude is too loose, whatever it is, and that is a protective like that's a goal of protecting you, but it's an attack on your humanity,

you know what I'm saying. At the same time, and we don't always have the language to say you know, you know, big Mama didn't have the language to say, yo, I'm trying to protect you from these streets or from those people, from the boys, whatever that little big Mama said. If you don't sit your ass down, I'm gonna get you, know what I'm saying. Like, and so without unpacking that,

these things just become regular, normal statistical stuff does. And so with boys it's worse because over time a lot of women, you all develop a you all have more opportunities to develop a critical lens on how you're treated because you're you're you're you want to survive, right, You're like trying to survive situations that I ain't. Like when my all let my wife get gass here in Atlanta, Like if the guards gotta get gassed up and I'm not, and I'm not, Like my wife will take off the garbage,

but she won't get gas. You know what I'm saying, I'm not even knowing that like a real man whatever, I don't do that. But I know that if somebody gonna get if I might go to the gas station get robbed, my wife might go and get robbed and kidnap you feel me, So it's a different set of risks. Yeah, And so women develop this critical lens there's so much out there for women to develop this critical lens um at different stages in life. There's just so much there.

But for men we are kind of held to this no, but you gotta be the men. And and a real man does blank, And it's like, what if I don't do that, does that make am I no longer real man? And from that unfill so much trauma. And because of the nature of emotions among men, we can't even unpack that trauma. So we drink it, we smoke it, we beat it, you know what I mean, we take it

out on y'all. Um. Like the thing a thing that every every brother, So two things that almost every brother you talk to will tell you is he probably he was told he had to stop crying, and a woman probably told him, and a woman probably told him ye. And then he probably lost his virginity well before he was ready to be engaged in sexual activity to a

woman that was way older than him. And though and and and like, so you have men and so these are like foundational experiences that black men, in particular, we are more um exposed to these risk factors. Um, And we've been dealing with this for as long as y'all

been dealing with everything y'all have been dealing with. We're talking about general rate, we're talking about posts reconstruction, we've been dealing with this ship and we still like the sex thing, the the the habitual, the the the ritual rape of black boys still hasn't entered this conversation. We're at least talking about the crime, about the heaviness, right we have, Yeah, we had a whole episode about this. Yeah, yeah, y'all Black men and losing verity so young to older women,

and brothers ain't ready to have that conversation. I still can't. It's still hard for me to get a brother to think about whether or not him losing his virginity at thirteen to a thirty year old was a healthy thing for him, you know what I mean. And you look at some of the brothers, brothers, and this is and this is where it gets complex, right because because we're talking about the problem, right, why supremacist superstructure, right, But

we in community together. So when I start yelling who I'm ana hit first, I'm a yellow one of y'all. And if I get hurt, who I'm gonna get hurt, But I'm gonna get hurt by one of y'all. And so like, it becomes complex because we we we see who we see in the news on a regular basis as black Man, Nick Cannon, the baby Chris Brown once upon a time, Mike Tyson, all of those brothers, Little Wayne, all of those brothers are victims of child sexual assault that they that they r Kelly, I forgot about. Did

I call it? Did not call it? Yea call it? Yeah? Yeah, Oh, I'm sorry. You asked me what was wrong with me earlier? Nothing's wrong with me. I'm just receiving all of this information, and it's hiding. It's it's heavy, it's it's very very heavy, because you know, they're absolutely incredible men that I love, and I have a son, and I have nephews, and I'm watching this negative energy towards all of us, towards all of us. Bitches ain't shit, niggas, ain't worth nothing.

You gotta get that money, get money off them. Niggas. They're not people anymore. They're not human beings in any way, shape or form. There are means to an end and that is all. And that is very painful to me for just just for the future. It is very painful to me as a woman. I'm like in anytime. Okay, for instance, um, something very close to me is an incredible philanthropist on a regular basis. And I'm and I'm not saying once a month, I'm talking come out once

a week. It's a whole effort to get homeless people food and shelter and shoes and socks, you know, supplying you know, crates and crates of socks for people like you don't even think about it, but if you don't have anything warm feet, like really really matter it, really really mad. It's okay, So all of these gestures to be kind and on his social media he'll get like sixteen likes, sixteen, But that girl over there, who is in a different outfit with you know, the same background,

is clapping her booty cheeks and she's about thousands of likes. Well, Jill, have you seen anything when people do now they put the little they put a girl who's like dancing tantally with a little outfit on to get your attention and then need to get your attention. And that's I think

that that's genus verse. Every time I see that, I think, Yes, Lupa had a verse of one of his mixtapes where he was like, Niples is nuclear missiles, Uh, you know Loupelupe and so like it's on an old mixtape, and he was talking about like, if I want to really get some shit out, I gotta put it next to

the sexy to the sex syed right right right. And I'm just trying to figure out, Okay, we know we're aware of all the harms because the Adam motherfucker, so niggas hear me something like that I got on the shirt. So so how how on earth do we make this work for our benefit? Like, I think that that's an

excellent suggestion. I've actually suggested that to them before, like get to get a big booty Judie, let her dance for about zero seven seconds and switch over to these people are hungry in the country, right, and this is what we're doing, and we'd appreciate some more support if you could just you know, because it could be you

at any time. There's a conversation about you know, the quote about the Master's tools, um, and yeah, I always I'm always like, yeah, but I don't know, man, these short, these swords are sharp, like these these tools is efficient and so like there's I mean, like number one, intercommunal local organizing is like it's key for anything you're doing because you always be more beholden to the people who

you see I rl um or or online. You'll I'm sorry, that's okay, Like and I'm forty, Like I ain't that young personal zomig, we don't know that us us No, that's fine, but as gen xers anyway, we are in the height of having to keep up. So I'm not surprised at your forty because we're the ones that got to balance all this ship. Yeah, you're just a geriatric midillennials beyond my ass, boy, I mean, you ain't got that. Yeah, what's that? Can you can? You can you email that

to me? Email? Like right right? But yeah, they they we gotta you know, local organization is useful, you know what I'm saying, Like, just it starts with community because communities will have like the research shows that the communities that have the least amount of problems are the ones that are the closest. Because you're not gonna rob the store of your homeboy, auntie. You know what I mean.

You're not gonna break in your and your and your sister's boyfriend or baby daddy house unless unless you're you know, unless that was the plan. But you get my point. Like generally, community is always a key, Yeah, But beyond that, while we're in here, while we're on these platforms, we gotta just we gotta step up the game, and we gotta really like learn and understand how these systems work, how they are not built and it's not And I want to be clear, the system is a reflection of society.

It's a reflection of the people's reflection of where we are. And let's I want to people want people say I keep talking about the system, and I'm like, yeah, well, if he fixed the system, the people will follow. But I got to be clear, the people are there as well. Um. But if we take advantage of how these systems work and we understand how they maneuver, we can get certain messages out there and grow. Like Kendrick Lamar is a

good example. Like when you when you like Kendra Lamar, ain't did a whole song about trans understand the trans people. This biggest rapper in the world did a whole song about understanding trans people. It wasn't the perfect like you know, like academic understood everything, but it's started the conversation you never expected to come from the biggest rapper in the world. I almost wish he would come outside more, but I'm like, in a social way, just to fight some of the

other stuff like that. I saw him on a commercial recently and I was like, damn, he don't do commercials. This is crazy because you don't come out. But but I think it's because of what we're talking about. It is just the fact that it's like if you engage too much, it can you can open yourself up to the toxicity of it all, and it can shift you motivation, it can shift what your you know, your ideals and

what's important to you. To have to kind of retreat is important because you talked about community, but also think it's that place to retreat, to pull out and to reconnect to what it is is truly important to you because and to reassess what your actual values are, like why am I here? Why am I doing this? What is my purpose? You know what I'm saying, because unfortunately it's the quiet of it all. Another thing that we had. You know, obviously, you know we all you know, our

members at the church and in that ministry. You know what I'm saying. So even when we talk about rest and that that kind of taking that moment to be able to have space to think about our ideas because there's so much rick, there's so much noise, there's so much going on that you know, you don't even have a chance to decide what you feel or think about a thing. It's being dictated to you every single day, all day long, and you'll be sitting up there spitting

an opinion. It's not even your opinion, it's it's the shit you heard three or four and that's something that you heard. You don't even know you know heard. You know what I'm saying, to really think about how those things affect the person to your left. You're right, your front and your back. I tell people all the time, people be talking about all this stuff about relationships, and they grandma and the women ain't how they used to be.

I said, tell me, you ain't never had a conversation with your grandma without telling me you ain't never had a conversation with your grandma. Come on, tell me that tell me you have never had a conversation with your grandma without telling me that you ain't never had a conversation with your grandma, right, say shit like women ain't how they used to be Grandma, grandpa, stay together, y'all came like you ever hear what grandma? I have to

deal with the statement exactly. And somebody tweeted this and I will not take credit for this. Ign't remember the girl's neighbor, she said, first of her. The reason why some of us don't do the same things our grandma's did because some of our grandmas pulled our asses off to the side and said, don't do this, don't do that.

You know what I'm saying. So it's like it is that the beauty of conversation, you know, and not to not to be on our whole, Like let's turn it full circle to what we do here at Drey darn Ill. But that is what we do here. We're having a conversation because at the end of the day, the culture part of it is the harder part to change. Yeah, yeah,

it's because people some of the factors. And one thing you said that also, I think connects to something Jill just said, like a lot of brothers are in survival more in a way that I don't think, Like, I think women want to understand, and I think women think they understand what I'm telling y'all, y'all don't understand. No, we know, we don't understand. We know, we just want to. We do want to. I think you, like a lot

of women do know that. But I think the nature the energy, especially on social media, it feels like a lot of brothers just feel like they're being talked down to and talked over when they're trying to speak to certain things. But even before that, right, Like, that's like when we get into these frivolous, you know, gender wars conversations, and I don't give a lot of credence to that because so much of that is just for low key entertainment.

When I'm talking about like Jill's nephews, right what they what? What has to be recognized. I talked about this in the video I can't if y'all want to watch me like this conversation with another brother from Chicago who like is also deep into this um I talked about, y'all remember the story of Yummy Sandiford. I don't he was he was a thirteen year old Chicago, and I guess this would have had to be ninety five, ninety six. That guy, that guy he was. It's it's it's a

horrible story. I don't want to get too deep into the story, but like that story haunts me because that at thirteen, even in the sub birds, it hit me like what black male humanity was really worse. I had heard the Immett Till story before, which is also like, you know, a scarring thing, and I had, you know,

heard such and such gang violence, whatever, whatever. But when that boy's face popped up on the news, it took a piece from it, like it took a piece from me that I have yet to get back because I see it in my son's eyes. And by the way, my son just had a little boy died. My son and we go to a good school. Little boy got shot at the bowling now a couple of weeks ago, soever years old. They didn't gone, and my son came out of school. He was like, Dad, you did you

hear about the little boy that got shot? And I'm like, yeah, man, well, and I almost said, like I didn't say this, but it's like it was like I here, we go, this is the beginning of this conversation. And so what these boys need, what your nephews need, your sons, is they need opportunity to take off that armor that they're building because they see this, they see what just happened in Memphis.

You know what I'm saying. They see how how black men are depicted, how we depict ourselves, and they start they start adding plis, they start adding shelves, and that allows them to be callous to women. That allows them to be callous to each other, you know what I'm saying.

And like that is and that's why I, even though I'm critical, I try to hold space because I'm lucky enough to have had a relatively emotionally engaged father and a lot of of like emotionally engaged men and strong black women who said I not really though, like like you be okay, protect you, mentors, access whatever. So I've never had to armor up like some of these brothers said.

This typeree thing is really making I feel like two, it's a whole other level of brother's arm armor, Like this has just been heavy for all of us as a community. But you know, yeah, because I think that the thing is that like the humanity aspect, you said, like you like here, it goes right here here, here's the beginning of it. For me to look at my son's and think, you know, I think a similar thing happened. And I wouldn't say similar, but a somewhat similar thing

happens with women. The first time that you have to talk to your daughter about what's going to happen when she goes outside, regardless of what she's welcoming or not, right that that that moment that you look at your twelve year old daughter and you're like, damn it, I gotta talk to her about cat calls. I got to talk to her about creepy looks. I got to talk to her about right, I got to talk it's and and you've got to talk about old If you say no that you're gonna be called a bit, you're stuck

up bl blah blah blah blah blah. So there's it's similar somewhat, But I understand that the humanity aspect of it, the life or death aspect of it, it is beyond the understanding of not being able to live in that body and live in that experience. And I want this so badly for black men to be able to be to understand their humanity, and for us to celebrate their humanity and not in words, in action and understanding all

of these systems. If you're not having a conversation for me, and much love to you, it doesn't affect my love right, But for me, you can't have a conversation with me about racism, about white supremacy, if we're not having a conversation about gender patriarchy, if we're not talking about its effect on your humanity in mind, then unfortunately, it is not the level of conversation to which I'm interested in

engaging with you about. Like I can love you, I can want the best for you, but we are not able to have that conversation because it is one in which I know it's never going to end up in your liberation. You're not going to feel like a human if you're not going to consider this part of the experience. And that's the problem I have with so many soul calls, so pro black folk that come out here. They don't they're not really actually talking about the humanity of black men. Yeah,

they're playing a hit, still talking about a character. They're still talking about something that don't exist. And that's the thing, like imagine, Like, so I don't like to play the oppression Olympics because it's it's always going to rail the conversation. But the one thing I think that would help is we both have this similar experience of like having to like the personalized from our humanity as black people a

man and women as children. But the difference is, I think women have developed that conversation over generations y'all, But like niggas weren't even Like I'm the like niggas didn't even talk to their fathers until like thirty years ago. You hit a dad in the home that nigga did not talk to you if you was born before nineteen eighty, that's like and like to do that was to teach you how to be a man. Shut the fuck up and do the thing. Watch me and suck it up.

Watch me. Don't say shit till we don't ask for a ug don't ask me how I feel. I don't got no feelings, nigga, I'm surviving offenses and so like, we haven't developed that stuff. And so that's what I think a lot of brothers are doing now. And it's hard because and I'm gonna just keep it real. It's

hard on all lovers y'all can think of. It's there's a lot of brothers that's so invested in patriarch and they're like, these niggas soft, these niggas gay, these niggasist is niggas that we need the real man to stand up. That's what we need. And it's like, all right, y'all been here for a minute, We see what y'all been spending your time on. So it's a lot of that, right white spens. But a thing that doesn't get talked about is women are invested in that caricature as much

as men are. Oh yeah, yeah man or a strong man right right then that nigga was emotional, and that's don't do that. Don't do that. You know, it's can balance, that's all us I'm saying, as us. The balance is all fair. More conversation after the break. Can I can I propose how to fix this thing? I don't know. I don't know, but I think you know, this goes

back to how do we eat an elephant? You know one by that at the time deep programming programming process because because because it can go either way, when when you when you're dealing with the man, and then the man is for emotional You know that can't work either. It's irrational. It's a risk for y'all different than us, you know what I'm saying, Because yeah, like y'all just needs to be normal, because you never know which dude is, like right, But I need you to have at least

five emotions, and not just to please oh please. I don't care about the number of emotions. I just need you to maybe like develop a little bit of your ability to have the words that match them. Thank you, like just say I don't. You can say all the things you want to feel, like bro, but if it's if it's if it's jealousy, if it's an abandoned men, if it's if it's you know whatever, whatever, the words are, happy, joy, whatever.

I just when I went to therapy, I got this picture of a yarn, right, and it was called the Ball of Emotions, and on all the little pieces of yarn were different feeling words. And I realize how little feeling word vocabulary I had as an adult person. And that's why I don't fault men or anybody for not having this language. I'm just asking that we all try because if we can communicate with feeling, that changes and it all cooking humanizes you towards each other. If you

can say this, this is what I am feeling. If you have to default to happy or sad, angry, happy, sad, angry, oh God in the bathroom, you need more than that. Yeah. I just feel like they don't get hurt. And this is real. As a brother, you don't get hurt if you unless you're angry or lustful or violent, you know what I mean. That's when we that's that's a that's a Bill Hooks quote. You know what I'm saying. Black man receive the most attention when they're violetly acting out.

And you don't think that's changing a little bit. It's changing because I just said to a brother the other day, I was like, he said, you know, he said he got electric tooth brush and a therapist. And I was like, nigga, you don't know how sexy that's saying. And an electric two brush. You are evolved black man. And that's the frontier.

I think I'm one where so things are growing and changing, right, and so some dudes are really feeling, they start to feel insecure about the they status because like dudes will come in the room be like, I'm an alpha male. I'm an alpha male. I don't need emotions. I got ten women, I got I got what the bugattis. That's what Andrew Table was talking about. And it's like and like there are less women have y'all are y'all look at you know, y'all like this, This doesn't look like

a healthy brother. The build life went to connect too long term. But this dude over here with the electric toothbrush, in the in the in the plants, Yes, you plant and it's healthy. Yeah. So like you if you got to announce that you're an alpha male, you ain't be an alpha male if you if you, if you'll you know the my video coming up, we're talking about desirability. And it's like the funny thing that I found through my research. It's something I kind of knew but just

didn't have the details on. It's like dudes would be on tender right, Dudes will there'll be they'll be in a gym getting it in right. And so they got the all the all the all the extra bumps and veins that you know, somebody love it. Some ladies like it, but they think all the ladies love it, and so they tender thing be like who and it's like ain't no, ain't when they're clicking that bro like if you don't, if you don't, if you don't cook something. That's me

and my husband. Me and my husband will talking about this recently about about like R and B music where it's just like the old kind of go tos for R and B male singers to like get women going. They don't work anymore, like if you see it, it just it's not the same that whole humping the stage and you got your shirt unbuttoned down to the belly button and it's like, you know, I've been giving the hey girl, they still work for me. I don't know, I said, I don't know for me as for me

and my study. So I think I'm going to love for the It's nostalgic, baby, it's nostalgic. You old honey is playing too into the nostalgiob. Okay, have you seen Bobby? I mean I don't, I don't. I don't know what the young bro boys I mean, I got it. I see it like one of my home he's terb a shout out to home term he got like, you know, pink locks, and he got like the choker with the cross on it, so he like he like a black vampire, and like, I know, i'd be talking to him, like

I'd be careful. There's at a certain point once you get enough subscribers, they're gonna come and you need to be responsible and smart about how them dms work, because the dms, you know, it's it's it's it's an interesting experience. And I'm not I wasn't a brother, you know, I'm I'm from the nineties, so like being the thoughtful, intellectual shot brother was not getting the panties thrown at me

in high school. But undergrad I figured out how to perform uh masculinity, desirable masculinity, and you know, we got some we learned some things, and then I met my wife and we just grew together and figured it out with each other. But like, if I was to hit the streets again, I'd be like, I don't know what's I don't know what these folds are doing. Getting all the panties is even a cold like ever since I

hate that. It's a goal, man. I mean what I said when I said I hate I would prefer you know, honestly, you know, since I'm a mom, you know, and my aunt, I would prefer for you to choose well that not get it all quality over quantity for real, And I would really love for you to care about your penis. You care about you dick, if you you might want

to use that. And that's another thing brothers be, you know, like it ain't possible, like some brothers will look like I don't know, Jonathan Majors to look like he looks right now. That ain't natural for most men. I think maybe Michael b might be the only dude that ain't working super super look like that. What you mean, y'all, muscle memory is crazy better than ours, it's better in y'alls, but like it still ain't to look like how Jonathan

Major's looks right now. Work on that. You gotta work on that in a way that either you got certain chemicals in your body or you got a ridiculous work ethic, you know that. And that work ethic comes out of costs and it calls certain equipment. Like folks, they won't tell you that, y'all know that that's true, but oh speak the truth. I just heard that, Yeah, and I can also attest that there there's certain men that are just blessed that way, just blessed what you do, just

like some women are just ridiculously blessed. God knew not to give it to me, He knew she don't know, she don't deserve it. Siana Sailors said, she don't. She don't exercise at all. She just dance. And it's like, clearly that's just a blessing, you know what I'm saying. Some people like it. Some people are like that, I should say, but I'll be trying to tell brothers, like, look y'all out here, you you're gonna need like you like Jill just said, you're gonna need that later. Yeah,

you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I didn't think about that. You're teaching class today, sir. People like all kinds of things anyway, you know. Also also blood pressure, So blood pressure, please speak on it. I'm gonna Get'm gonna get a little personal right. I'm forty years old. I was diagnosed so how blood pressure at thirty six ish, and it runs my family runs in a lot of folks families.

But also diet, I'm overweight, et cetera. And boy for for like when I had to first get medicine for that first six months, I was like, oh no, we gotta something gotta give because I can't live like this. I can't live like this for the rest of my life. So um, and think I got started exercising, I got to lower my dositch and I got functional and I was like, okay, cool, And like, COVID has not been nice to me in this new job where I'm literally doing this for most of my days has put weight

on me. But you best believe your boy got a gym membership late last year and I'm trying to work it out for you. Some brothers will function, but they're not in there, like they're not with you. And and I'm sure y'all of it. Have you experienced that some brothers can can can be there with the equipment that you need, but the connection that you desire during the act, they and they have been in and out of so many women and so many experiences that they just don't

even have the valuative. It's very performed because because a lot of brothers. I have a video you can watch. Um it's called a Conservatives are bad at sex um. But I get into that we've going back to how black men are are idealized. Um, you know the man Dingo, the pipe layer, you know what I'm saying, the myster fix it, the Jodi, and so a lot of brothers start separating genuine pleasure from sex early on because sex is only about checking off scores, like numbers going up.

For a lot of brothers, I don't understand an orgasm, just thinking that it means that something's coming out your body, something coming out body, this feels we want and so like, yeah, you got to do that. Hopefully you know everybody different, but like you got to do that for the rest of your life. And like if you start out the bat disentangling like pleasure and connection and sensuality from the act of sex. I know, I know brothers that are

interested in sex. Now, I'm sure, y'all. I'm sure, y'all. If it's not you, no shade. But if it's not you, you know a girlfriend that's like such and such I've been with forever, it ain't And that comes from not coming right. Wow, there's a lot into our glasses. There's a lot being poured into there, and you know we are primarily dehydrated anyway, most of us. So what we're getting is a lot of um is a lot of bullshit. And what I'm asking you to do as well as

myself shit, all of us. We just pay attention to what is showing up on our social media. Pay attention. If it's a bunch of you know, um, negativity or or or disrespect for black women or black men, you start blocking the shit. I don't know if that, if that works in changing your algorithm. No, you got to change your art. No, it's their fault, it's yours, your faults. Start looking at other shit like I do. I am really manipulating my algorithm. I'm like, I want the right

shopping shit, talk about it. I got friends who their algorithm is everything. They in the cooking shit all and shit come up, all the people who cook they're to come up. You know what I'm saying. If you're in the other jewelry and all come up, like you just have to change yo. Shit. It ain't about the internet. You are if you aren't interested in changing your shit. Right, there's two or three ways to manipulate your algorithm. One,

start a whole new account from scratch. If you don't want to do that, Um, you gotta you gotta start intentionally shitting on the bad stuff. So like, if you got YouTube right, YouTube don't like when you watch one second of a video and click off. Oh YouTube hates that shit. So if you see some some negative shit pop up on your feed, click on that, watch for one second, then click off that shittube. They don't like it.

They don't like it. We got you, we like YouTube is one of the one of the I talked because I've talked to these people. They say, it's like a puppy that just wants to please you. And the puppy when you come in the house, the puppies like, hey, I got let me go get you this thing. And they come to the to ther door with you know, a bone or something. And if you take the bone, I like, this is great. The puppies gonna wag, they

tell and bring you more bones. But if you take the bone, but like, shit out of here, the puppies gonna feel bad for a second. But it's gonna find something else for you to you, for you to play with. You know what I'm saying, If you would notice, and I think that I think that even ties into what you were saying about the master's tools. It's like, yes, and this is not in any way to discredit you know, argu lord, but to say, at the end of the day, there is a way to engage with these tools so

that you can then make your voice heard. So maybe you can't change that system, but you can let that system know. I'm not fucking with that right if I don't appreciate it. You want my engagement, stop showing me this shit. Yeah, that's basically what the what the puppy is trying. You know what the algorithm wants to I'm gonna want your engagement. I'm gonna have no morals as no soul, it has no dislike. But it's only Facebook

want with a dislike. Huh dislike. But but the dislike is keep scrolling, keep scrolling, and then when you find something that really feeds you you, when you find that thing you want more of stop Okay, a comment, leave alike, heart whatever. That's why you hear YouTubers constantly say like hair and comment, because that is how they keep their engagement up. If you see content that you like, don't just be like, oh that was real good. You want

to like it? Share it, x Y and Z. You want to make sure those people feel and hear that in a way that's real, that comes up in data that they can then use to keep moving forward, and they do analysis on like the types of comments you leave too. So if you say I love this, this was really somebody to see today whatever, like, they say, Okay,

that's that's that's good. We want that. And if they and if you argue with the motherfucking the comments or some shit you don't like, they will keep feeding you all this. They don't they really liked that, So we're gonna send them more of that because that will keep them engaged. You got you gotta train it like a dog. Engagement has no morals about everything, y'all, Like you're crazy, you know, don't let me get into my capitalism bag. We only got we only got a few more minutes.

It starts and start talking about how the corporations and the plutocracy and all. I don't I don't want to get to autocracy. See I don't want you know what I'm saying like this. That's why that's why age was like when I get to that that black conservative socialist video, you know what I'm saying. We got to start that's you know. My goal is to this not to be

the last time I talked to some famous people. But I'm scared because I don't know how far I'm gonna get before either a I start telling the rich niggas today face that they need to change, or I become a rich nigg and be like, oh no, that's cool. Second part. I'm second part as as a rich niggod. I'm gonna just tell you money does not make it the man. That's that's the goal I appreciate. Go go get your coins, friend, go get all your coins. We're trying.

My wife with a job last year, so she congratulations. Yeah, yeah, it was an amazing She she needed it because she was out there in corporate America, you know, working working in that that whole I was I was saving the world, working with kids and shit, you know what I'm saying. And she up here talking to these old white men trying to get them to sell and box stuff. And I was like, yeah, baby, look we switched. I got it.

Go ahead, take these naps. Get your skin good. Anytime you offer somebody a nap, that's just a nice time. Shout out to A. J's so funny. She went out with a friend and her friend was asking her about her skin routine and she was like, yo, I take a lot of naps because she stopped wearing makeup in the last like three or four months. And then like your skin is long. She's like, yeah, good jeans in the sleep every once and again. My husband coming, why

I'm taking my nap and you know that, okay. Blessings, blessings, blessing. Thank you so much for coming and spending some time with us. We really really appreciated. Look here, y'all, it just seemed to me like this. If you're paying attention to your social media's and you find that a lot of toxicity and negativity is in it, Number one, take

account to the good people that are around you. Take account of the love that you receive, take account to the people that are supportive of you, and know that this is not the real world. The majority of this shit is for show, okay, And you know, for likes. I don't know what happened when we become people that need likes so much, but it's always the people that are going their own direction that seem to get to the price. And remember anything that you're involved in too

much can make you an addict. Thank you so much. We appreciate you at Jay dot Ill, thank you, mister seg the fire Laura. Don't she liked to do that to them? She liked to do it. Oh, Jill, you can't. You can't do that to me. The city backo stairs like everything normal. I can't. I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. How do you eat an elephant? One? By it time? Hey, listeners, it's Amber the producer, here to dive deeper into all things media and internets. Please follow f D signifier on

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