Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [09/10]

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You can also follow us on Twitter x at Jesus Show, at Jesus Show, Let's talk to Bonnie. Bonnie, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Please don't be mad at me. Don't be mad at me. I don't want to be here any more. I feel like I don't mean to be presumptuous, but I feel like I have fulfilled my purpose. You and I have actually talked before. I'm a hospice nurse, and we talked about when my father passed and I fulfilled his wishes. I fulfilled that he

wanted. A year later, my partner boyfriend from my age of five years passed away. I fulfilled his wishes. I have not. I have two great grown children. I fulfilled. You know, their purpose. They're they're living their lives. They're great lives. And I on the outside, you know, people think, oh, yeah, she's funny, she's great, she's doing all these things. And then I come home, I'm like, I'm done. I don't I don't understand. I don't know. I don't.

I'm telling you, don't be mad at me because I don't have a plan. And I don't mean to be presumptuous to tell you, but it's like you and I talk all day every day, but that's the way. One thing I asked for every day, Please take me home, Please take me home. I don't feel like I have anything left to do. I just go out and do what I have to do come home? And then and then you know you want to call it depression. Fine, I've been to I've been to mental health before you know what happened. I ended up

solving the therapist problems I did. It's the wheel turn and I'm thinking, okay, well I fulfilled your purpose, and it's just what else? And then again, I don't mean to be rude, but what else is there more for me to do? One more kind? And again I don't mean to be presumptuous? What more do you want from me? Centralists? So don't want to be sure anymore? Bonnie, Are you having suicidal thoughts or suicidal ideation at all? No, that's what I'm telling you. I don't

have a plan. I don't I'm not. I can't do that. No. So that's when I meant by I don't have a plan. Okay, I'm going to for the sake of you and others listening or remind you in the United States that nine eighty eight is the number that you can dial if you have suicidal thoughts, or you're in a crisis, or you're in a mode of possibly hurting yourself. I just want people to know nine eight eight is the number you call if you're feeling that or just want to talk with

someone. Now, if you're saying you're not in that state, we have to look at a couple of things, one of which is when we've talked before, and I know that you are dealing with hospice, which is a very very heavy thing to deal with. And yes, this is not a show about you know, medical issues, and it's not just a therapist. You need to see a psychiatrist to see if your chemistry is right is one

thing that I would recommend. But on the moral side of things, which is what this show is about, is there as long as you are living, there are things for you to do, and there is service to God in that as well. I would say that in addition, because of the kindness of the work that you do and what you give, that a different kind of volunteering could be good for you to see a slightly different side. But as far as you sang the reoccurring theme of you taking care of others,

what do you need to be taken care of for you? What are you not getting? I don't know what to tell you when I I have Oh God, that's going to sound pathetic. And I don't mean to sound that way. I don't have I don't have a partner. I don't have someone in my life, so you know, for you, for again, I don't mean sound the way to sound for you to say what am I not getting? There's no one to give to me? And I don't mean it to sound like that. No, No, you're designed that way.

That's okay, you're designed. It is not good for man to be alone. That goes for man and woman. The desire is for you to have a partner, should you choose one. But I would, I really would. It's just you know, I mean again, I don't mean if I drive to people's homes and look at what I do, so the prospects are very short term, you know. I just I just you know, I just you know, and and I and I go, you know, I'm

now going back to the gym. That is something I really like because good, you know, when you're sweating, no one knows if you're sweating or if you're crying, So it works out really great for me and so. But but as far as what am I getting, of course I'd like to be with someone, but it hasn't I mean I've looked at my life plan. It hasn't worked out. Uh, and I don't know why. You know, that's stupid question. Oh you know you you're you've got it going

on. You got why are you still single? Shut up? You don't just leave me alone. If I'm single, I'm single. It's not like i'm you know, I got a sign going back off. But it's just it doesn't if it's I don't know what to do. I don't mean to sound like I'm looking for a you know, a hook up pretty sure, but I'm just I would love to be with someone. But in my life plan, and everybody has a life plan, it hasn't worked out. Some

people aren't meant to have children. I was told I wouldn't even have children, and you bless me with two. Some people aren't meant to be with someone that might be my plan doesn't make me happy. Those people tend to be people that don't want to If the kind of rule throughout scripture, if you desire that connectivity, that desire is given by God. So this isn't

always a wonderful way to put it, but you are doing something. You have an emotional or something about the way you present yourself that has a closed sign on it, and that could be through the trauma of losing a loved one. That can be for a lot of different things. But you're not No one ever calls me to say I'm starving, no one because you know how to get food. You know how to plant a seed, you know

how to get something at the grocery store, even with limited funds. You know how to get food, how to be fed, and people ought to you know, kind of manufacture an emotional ignorance when it comes to meeting people. What would it take for someone to catch your eye? What would it take? What would someone have to say to you to make you think, oh they're interesting or this could be a possible path. And then once you

learn that, then you process that to somebody. You go to places that you like to be to meet people with similar interests, and it's going to probably spring up on you. But during the process you should be building your own strength because if they with brokenness, who wants that? You don't want

someone broken? So today and every day, I need you, Bonnie, to plant a seed in your life, a new interest, the gym, going for a walk, going to a place that you've always wanted to go to go to a place that you would like to go to with a spouse or a partner, and you don't even though you don't have them, do these things, Bonnie, and I thank you for your call up against the clock, but do these things to plant. Don't be ignorant. You know how to get food, you know where to get gas, you know where

to get shelter. People shut down when it comes to a partner because they don't want to be rejection rejected, But better to be rejected by the wrong person than not go out to find the right one. And it will come. Sometimes it takes multiple times. Sometimes you may just have a nice little friendship. Sometimes it will build into something more. But the intensity of your emotion I can feel it, and I know other people feel it too,

and that probably makes them think that you're off limits. Oh Bonnie, we have talked many times. I want you to think about this for yourself and for Bonnie. And we're going to pray for Bonnie, that her that she builds herself to be the magnet. She builds herself worries and focuses on being the best Bonnie she could be, and that people will be attracted to that. But when you find somebody who is broken in that state, it doesn't mean what they want is not going to be given by God. It means

that there is a pause on that for some reason. And I believe that it is to get yourself in emotional shape. Get yourself in that shape, to find somebody and be with someone you know, to go into it in that brokenness. To go into it in that state is not going to help you find anyone any more than you'd want to be with somebody broken in that state. It's an interesting thing that God does. God waits for you to

be ready and knows that you are ready. When you enjoy your own company, When you enjoy being alone with yourself, when you're happy and with how interesting you are, is when it tends to work out. Because only when you're comfortable in needing and using yourself as a resource and enjoying your hobbies or gifts and abilities or those things is when you become ready. Because of course, just being single doesn't mean in God's eyes, you're available. All right,

let's get some other calls in. Let's talk to Ken. Hi, Ken, Welcome to Jesus Christ show Hello, there it is Sunday. Right. Indeed, it is kind of obvious for this show. But no, no, you said it's good to be with you on Saturday, and I thought maybe it was me. Well, it's good to be with you on Saturday as well? How about that? Okay, Oh, your hostess made me choose. I had to take a binary choice. Was I an atheist or a Christian? And I once read an essay that said there shouldn't even

be a word to deny the existence of something that doesn't exist. Therefore, the word atheist is a fallacy from the get go. Well, that's not really fair because I'm gonna I'm gonna be safe to say ken that even as a smart man, and I can already tell by your sense of humor that even as a smart man, you have less than one percent of the total knowledge of the universe. So let's just say there is a good play. There plenty of hiding places for a being of some kind. They're outside of

your knowledge. So it's not really fair because there are many things that can be theoretical but not actual that people still think about mathematically. Therefore, you know, mathematically you can have a book with an infinite amount of pages, but you can't literally have a book with an infinite amount of pages, but mathematicians still do the math. Yeah, so you know why I'm more moral than Christian. Oh, here we go, nice coming out of the box.

Why is that because I do not base my behavior on the threat of eternal damnation or the promise of eternal reward. I give that live and let list. Nobody's bothering me. Why would I bother them? Interestingly, the studies that have been done in the last handful of years. One in Science Daily was interesting because they found that atheists tended to be more likely to judge morality on harm or consequences. So it's interesting that you would bring that up.

Now, I will say this, I don't think that that atheists are without morality or a moral compass at all. I think they steal the vast majority from theological views and philosophical views rooted in theology. As a matter of fact, that's where all science came from in the first place, philosophy and theology. So I do believe that many a matter of fact, I don't

know. I think you'd be hard pressed to find atheists that do crime based on atheism, more so than you would find people who said they God told them to do something, or that they had some sort of a divine push to do something. But my question wouldn't be who's more moral. My question would be where do you get your morality? Why do you care? I

don't know. I just know I haven't I know if you know those apocalyptic movies where all civilization has fallen and people are roaming, and you know, the guy will come across a woman and sexual assault because there's no consequence, there's no pure he just doesn't. I know for whatever reason that I wouldn't do that. I don't know why. I just wouldn't. Well, you don't know, because you're not. If you're going to be empirical about it,

then you would have to be in that situation first. You don't know. You feel like even when I was younger, I don't think I would. I don't think I would aggress upon someone innocent. I just don't think I would, And I don't know why. But what is an innocent thing? What is your definition of innocent? Somebody else minding their own business and not attacking me, why would I bother them? Okay, So somebody attacking someone else is okay? No, No, I don't know if I'd intervene

there. Survival instinct might be stronger than the situation at hand, but I don't think I would. So what a group of people are jumping on a guy that just harmed or raped somebody? I keep moving? You would just keep walking by? Yes, okay, because you're I'm not a superhero. No, but you're morality, but you're a participant. This is interesting. This is part of that study in Science Daily dot com is that it found that really a lot of the morality that comes from an atheistic mindset was really

based on consequences and harm. So you walk away from a situation that now you'd have to ask yourself is it moral to walk away? Or is it just self preservation? And why would self preservation of can be more important than self than the preservation of someone else. That's not moral? Yeah, well that goes beyond morality to real basics. No, No, because that is that is a moral and to remove morality from something doesn't make it more moral

or less moral. So it's a it's a it's a value that you value yourself over others in any situation, even if it was morally wrong. What you were watching you would just walk on by. That doesn't have any moral value. As a matter of fact, it would be put into the category of immral because you're putting yourself before others. And it's not that there wouldn't

be a situation where that would be. If you genuinely couldn't help someone to run into a fire just to try be a hero or look like one, that doesn't have moral value either, But in a sense where you could help and you choose not to, that's a lack of morality. But if the choice is obvious that I would die if I intervened, self preservation is going to trump Yes, you know, sure, bind of health. It's just it's a basic it goes beyond I think self preservation goes beyond morality. So

where does your morality come from? You just said that it just happened. Yeah, I don't know. I just know I wouldn't add to anyone's problems. I wouldn't initiate any evil. I just yes. But but by not doing things sometimes which people find to be they think it's more moral, it's not. It's it doesn't have value. By not doing something can cause problems. But if you don't things worse. You can't. You can't make things

worse by not partis bating. It's not a spectator sport. Can. You're living in a world, and if you believe atheistically in the proper understanding of evolution, that is not if safety was in hiding, no one would be here. So it doesn't even work with your moral system. The more you have, you have no measuring rod. You just kind of make one up in the minute. And that's what these studies have found. It is that over and over an atheist will they're their own god. They believe in a

god, they just believe it's themselves. And in that process, all the decisions that are made, everything that you're doing is based on you and not society. And I would say, in the definition of of that, that is morally wrong. You're basically living on an island of can, worrying only about can and in doing that and not interacting and not participating in the world, and you're kind of like live and let live. No, that's not

as if you want to be that way. You live on an island because you don't care sivalent to a squirrel, Well, then that squirrels your god. Because ken you're saying that things are based on the fear of God, and where's the morality in that? Everything has an understanding? And the fear of God is the mark. God gives you the mark. This is the mark. Sin is just a fancy theological word for missing the mark. And if you miss the mark, it's just happened to be given by God.

Your mark is stolen from God because you've stolen these things from Judeo Christian presuppositions. Then and you kind of steal that and then you modify them and say, oh, I really don't want to get involved. That doesn't have value, and it certainly doesn't have value in a society. So you take the blessings, if you will, let me use that word. You take the structure that is made by God that people are obeying, and you get the

convenience of that without participating. And you say that that's more moral, and I say it's not moral. I say that you're trying to benefit from it and being absence of being absent of why it exists at all. Unfortunately, Linken, we're up against the clock. Thank you for your call, but I'm begging you call back. I want to finish our conversation. It's just

a time thing. Ah morality. We had a lot of really cool calls and hopefully thought provoking answers on the program today, And although we didn't get to finish with Cannon, I knew this was going to be a short segment. When we came back. I'm hoping that he'll call some time, because I was enjoying not only his questioning and the way he thinks, but he had a great sense of humor as well, which always screams intelligence, doesn't it. So we'll get into those things, but I know there seems to

be this battle. Most atheists, when truly cornered, become agnostic because it's not a very scientific thing to say that there's not the possibility. Of course, proving a negative is impossible, and all these things become highly problematic when you're trying to land somewhere, and it's, you know, a battle that goes back and forth. Someone once said to me, you know, I'm an atheist and I believe in evolution because the virgin birth I just couldn't wrap

my mind around. And I looked at them and said, okay, so in scripture you've got one virgin birth in evolution, you've got billions and kind of First you have to have something that starts out of nothing, and then a virgin birth goes there, and then it has which is dividing by the way in its simplest form, and then it has to go from the simplest biological way to divide into having to conceive having male female having relations a sperm

an egg, and becomes super complicated and unnecessary. And then with missing links, they say, but with missing ideas, then you get stuff like punctuated equilibrium, and that's a whole another thing. When punctuated equilibrium where it's like two lizards mate and then you know, outcomes the dog, and there's a lot of there's a lot of I will accept this, but not accept that. And I would find that in all things are both pretty difficult to accept

without a bit of faith, which is all I ask remember. More important than all the heaviness that goes on during the week, the simplicity of these words, I am with you always,