Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [06/04]

You're listening to k I Am six on demand. Dan, Welcome to Jesus christ Shall. Good morning Jesus. You know recently I've over the past years, I've been reading a lot of physics books, and to the contrary, brings me closer to the Lord understanding science. Sure, my question is somewhere in the Bible, I think it's Old Testament says you can search one end of the day happens to the other, and you will not find anything like

mankind. So I've kind of assumed that this is it where the people here on Earth is all or is into the universe, and the entire universe is for his glory. I've read that before too, His creation is for his glory. Well, my question is if there were to be life on other planets, would Jesus, would you be out there dying on the cross and resurrecting across the universe for other people and other life forms. I don't know's you'd have to assume that. Now you brought up a lot of good points.

First of all, Um, you're you're right out of the gates. Um, you're right. Science and faith are not at odds. They work together, all truth being God's truth. Um. However, on top of that, the concept you you paraphrased is um that there's no place in scripture that allows for this kind of outside extraterrestrial world. Now, Um, I know a lot of people have problems with that because of the sex appeal of

the thought of extraterrestrials and that type of thing. And and plus then you put people's personal experiences, some that say they've been abducted, and it causes you know, it's almost a religion unto itself. So although the curiosity is there and it's a fascinating topic, um that when you look at the scriptural foundation, you have a hard you're you're hard pressed to try and fit the two together. For a couple of reasons. Um, it takes away the

specialness of humanity in many ways. Also, Hebrews two sixteen says four assuredly, he capital h speaking about me does not give help to angels, but he gives help to the descendants of Abraham speaking about humans. So angels aren't saved. That's why when one third of Heaven left, they stay gone.

They can't change their mind or come back or be saved or any of that process, because they're they're very different than humans in that sense as far as the amount of knowledge they have based on who they are and how they were created. So that shows that there is a difference between me coming as man and saving man versus just me coming as a creature with in this case intellect,

will and emotion. I say creature because it's to mirror creation. So you can't just say, well, it's going to cover everybody, because if they're different in any way, like the angels are different, then it doesn't count. The purpose was to come as a human to take on the sins

of humanity, so there's no way to get over that in scripture. And lastly, I will say, on a scientific note, it's interesting that when you hear a scientist talk about the mathematical probability of humanity existing from an evolutionary standpoint, that you're you're talking about numbers, you know, sixteen zero zeros or more behind that concept, which puts it actually it would be more,

which puts it in the mathematical category of an impossibility. So if this one group of life is already an impossibility mathematically that it would come out of chaos or nothing, then to say that there's life somewhere else. From a scientific standpoint becomes an interesting mathematical situation too, because now you're saying this one time was impossible by our you know, equations, but now you're saying, well, there's there's going to be life somewhere else, and now that becomes even

more mathematically impossible, not just improbable. So on the science side it doesn't land a whole much to it, although nobody likes to come out and be the bad guy and say now there's probably not life anywhere else, but theologically Dan there's no real room for it. There are people that try and look at versus like, um, there are others that are not of this flock, or I have a flock that are not of this group. And people say, oh, look, that's talking about you know, it's talking about

you know, extraterrestrials and God is making room for them. And that's not the case. It's talking about Jews and Gentiles, talking about those that were, um, the faithful of the day and those that were not. And so they're you know, people trying to look at things the wheel in the sky and Isaiah and all these type of things and try and make them into something dealing with extraterrestrials, but that it's just not in there in the scripture.

There's no real place for it there to boot. So yeah, and I'd like to add that many times on these UH Sciences channels and things they talk about, they always say, you know, the odds are there tremendous galaxies out there, and all the odds are there have to be beaming with life. And I always come back and say to myself that they are saying, man is ericant to think that he's the only one in the whole universe.

I say, well, no, on the contrary, we're so special that that guy created us, that he came down here and walked among us. That makes us very special. And that's I think that's the end of it all that because he created universe and he came here makes us very unique and special. And you hear and that's right, Dan, And you hear arguments sometimes people saying, oh, well, you know, the faithful or the religionists say that there are extraterrestrials and that's just because they want to feel

like they're special. They're the only ones. As you're saying, they're the only ones on the planet. There can't be anybody else, and it's just humanity's way of feeling special. However, those that believe in extraterrestrials believe what that they've visited where here? Why would they visit here because you think you're

special, because you think Earth is worthy of visiting. Yeah, and so it's kind of an interesting thing that people get caught up in, Dan, and I appreciate you bringing that that up today because a lot of people get caught up in that and listen, it is incredibly interesting and a fascinating discussion. I get that, and I want you to explore things, and I

want you to question things. And you know there's forums for that, you know, Coast to Coast and George and Ian they do a wonderful job, and there's there's places to discuss those things and those ideas, and this is one of them as well. But scripturally, there is not a whole lot of footing for that idea. There's just not And I know that angers some people. And we have a rule here on the show, and that is that that when it comes to people that you don't change the mind the mind

of a devout anything, unless they're a devout truthsaker. You won't change the mind of a devout Protestant. You won't change the mind of a devout Catholic. You won't change the mind of a devout Muslim, devout Jew, a devout atheist. You won't change the mind of anybody unless they're a devout truth seeker. First and foremost, that is that that is what they're seeking. And if they're seeking that, then then there is hope. Cindy, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Jesus High, Cindy. I have

a question. Um, I have been I'm a middle aged individual and had partly been recently diagnosed with depression, well recently it's been a couple of years. And I've also got some sematic pain that I experienced from time to time, and I had also sought treatment alternatively herbally speaking. If you know what I'm talking about, Yes, marijuana, I'm assuming the right Okay, for medical purposes, okay, and uh, and it's not for the high per

se, I mean, unfortunately that's a side effect. But I do notice that it does pardon me, help, I mean, I'm concerned about some of the side effects. Marijuana is a depressant. Well, that's what I understand why why would why would that help? Well? I also have anxiety issues, so sometimes that that helps. I see, that makes more sense. My question is this, I'm not for certain as to the voracity how the Lord will look at it. But there's been scripture and you know,

they talk about pharmachia. A lot of eventilists on the television do. Yeah. Pharmachia is the the the Greek term for sorcery, mostly in scripture, and it's tied into you know, the word it's where you get the root word for pharmacy or pharmaceuticals and correct and yes, there is a point where using certain pharmaceuticals, are using certain things to you know, take the edge off or have a different experience, can be considered a form of sorcery.

But there's scific in nature. You can't just road brush it. It's important to understand that that's speaking about people that are using them recreationally for a particular high, to remove themselves out of reality. It's going to lump the whole thing, and especially when you look at the television commercials and you see the side effects for some of these medications to treat certain illnesses, and it's starting to fold sure at fifty five and you know you're thinking, gosh, the

side effects are worse than the treatment that you're going for. Yes, you wonder if everything in the world causes loose stool by the by the sounds of those commercials. Yeah, exactly, you know what I'm thinking it could we possibly have think, Lord, can we lump all of you know, man's pharmaceuticals in with that pharmakia thing or what's the deal here? Where do we draw the line? Well, when it comes to marijuana, it may sound

like a technicality, but it's an important one. It's about its legality. If it's illegal, you you are to Scripture says you're to be respecting the laws of the land unless those laws dictates you to reject God in some way. You know, I don't want to bring um what's reproach upon the Lord for doing something that's not right at you know, the stumbling and things like that too. I mean, it's not something I advertise, but I want to get a you know, an opinion on that because I'm thinking pharmachea,

I think of gush. I mean, some of the stuff that's out there, like Vikadin is abused. Absolutely, it's all that's one of those things that is a Christian comfort level. And you look and you see things that are become cultural and and and therefore the church thinks, well, this is where the stands on scripture, but it's not. It's been a cultural part

of the church, but not a theological part of the church. And you shouldn't be abusing any substance whatsoever, whether it's something legal like alcohol, or

whether it's something to drink alcohol it makes me sick. Thank God. Well, there's different things that that, uh, you know, people are comfortable with, and that's that's not the fair way to look at The fair way to look at it is that mostly scripture is silent on it specifically but generically when it's speaking about pharma kit, it's to understand that if you are in an altered state, you're more susceptible to, you know, spiritual suggestions.

And in this particular case, if that's the same with any medicine that you're on that's not just ones that you feel a buzz on. Necessarily. The difference is, you know, somebody can have a glass of wine and not get high. However, if you're smoking pot, the only effects you're going to have or reward from it if you will, if it's used medicinally, is going to be if you obtain that high, there's not you know a bunch of shades of gray. So um, there's not like a high level

like there is you know, an alcohol blood level. Well, you have to be responsible too, I mean, if you know that that's a side effect, it's relieving other issues. But don't drive. You don't do stupid things exactly would any other action exactly. So, So the takeaway here that is important, Cindy is first and foremost you have to use it appropriately and protect it. Treat it like a powerful prescription drug. Don't leave it out, don't leave it where kids can get it, those types of things.

And if you're in the confines of those laws, Um, then there's not going to be anything in scripture that's going to have a problem with that. Tim, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Tim, you there, Yeah, Hey, I got a question. Yes, I grew up methods. The whole born became about the school of church camp of that a whole lot um. Then um, I got kicked out of my house. I'm a moment or us um. And then I may blame God because you know, I know I did anything I should and he he basically let me

down. I built and now I'm a wife, I've been my kids they go to church, and every time I go with them, I feel out of place. Why do I feel that way? Because you? You aren't right with God. I mean, if you feel uncomfortable in front of somebody, it's usually because of something you did, or a miscommunication, for one, blaming me for the things that you've done, or or putting on me the you know, the situations in your life obviously built there by you,

Tim is gonna put a division. And I think you know that deep down if you're honest with yourself and you look at the decisions you've made, in the actions you've put forth in the relationship, in the situation that you, you know, if you're honest with yourself, will say, oh, Okay, there's things that I've done that I'm not happy about, I'm not proud of, or not productive in the relationship, either with your family or with

God. And by doing those things, you separate yourself from God. You go into a church, of course, you're not going to feel comfortable because you're not comfortable. I mean, there's always the option that you could not feel comfortable because the church is odd or the people in the church aren't very loving. But just based on the simple description that you gave to me today,

I would say that there's there's something you're doing to separate yourself. And if you start playing that name, that name and blame game that everybody does, you know it's their fault or it's their fault or I blame it on God. That usually points to the fact that you're not being honest to yourself about things that you've done or things that you haven't done in a relationship with your family, whatever it might be to make things work. Frank, welcome

to the Jesus Christ Show. Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. How can I help you? Yeah, my question is about what some people call negative theology, and I ask it maybe specifically with a thought of how is a Christian, myself or any Christian supposed to view or have a picture of God. You know, my feelings as God. It's such just a wonderful, great transcendence thing. I can't even understand a mystery. True awe, not awe like people use these days to sure, but true people

say awesome all the time, choose yeah. Yeah, it gets watered down a little bit, doesn't it. Yeah, So I find it easier and somewhat valuable to think that God is not this. He's not an old man with a gray beard, the Father God, you were here, so we have a picture of you as you were as a human. But I just at least one Yeah, God is just a great, wonderful mystery. And I wondered your thoughts about that. How I and a Christian, any Christian,

should try to view God. That's a wonderful question. It brings up a whole lot. So let's see how much of it we can get to. Um First of all, when you're dealing with negative theology or what's referred to as via negativa in a Latin or in the negative way, or another theological term for it would be a prophetic theology. So if you're if you're dealing with that kind of theology or the the the removal where you're removing that or pointing up the things you can't know about God. Um Uh is a

process. There's a there is some controversy with it. I will tell you the thing that I don't like about it, or statements like and you alluded to this yourself, and I'll point out why, but um, you said yourself about knowing what you can't know about God. Um that when you get to that negative theology concept um where where you say statements like human beings cannot

use words about the essence of God. Unfortunately that's called that's self stultifying because you're using words about the essence of God, even if it's in the negative. That the use of the negative in philosophy makes the philosopher feel that they're they're removing themselves and like almost humbling themselves and removing themselves from the equation. But really you're not. You're essentially saying I can't utter one word of English,

not one. By saying that statement, you've countered the statement. So by saying that you can't Emmanuel Kant said this as well, that you can't know God. But by making that statement, you're making a knowledge statement about God. So if you can have that one piece of knowledge about God, how come you can't have other pieces of knowledge about God? That would be my I guess what I mean is, you know I used words to say

that God is great and God is a great mystery and awesome. So you can say things about God, but perhaps the negative side has some value, and in saying indeed, this is what he's not. He's not an old man with a great beard. Absolutely. So that brings me to my second point, which furthers this, which is that it's more fair to say that

there are certain things you can know and certain things you can't know. Certain things you know by special revelation, meaning scripture where God says, this is who I am and this is what I do, and that way you can know. And then in Romans one it talks about general revelation and that there are things that you can know by the designer, by way of the design. So, for instance, you can learn things about an artist if they

put enough of themselves into their art. Yeah, you can tell if they like reds, if they like textures, textures, or if they like muted colors, or these types of things. These will give you insights to the individual, just like creation will give you insights to the creator. That God is a reasonable God, that God is a God of justice, that God is a god of intellect, will and emotion. These things can be seen

in the creation. So you can know things now then you brought in this third element, which is why I said you such a wonderful question, but very complex. You brought in this third possibility, and that's dealing with anthropomorphism, when you start applying human attributes to God. And that is a huge problem. And we talked about this some weeks ago, that people tend to make God a bigger them. It's like God is just a better me. And you say that in your head over and over and over again, and

you think, okay. And that's why you think an old man, because it age, with age comes wisdom, right, so you assume that God is wise. God has to be old then, and then the man part comes from patriarchal society in those images. And obviously that scripture is written in the masculine tense when it's refers to God most of the time save for one name of God. Else should I, which is a female tense, speaking of the nurturing aspects of God. But these things all kind of mix and

mesh frank into your knowledge of God and how you see God. The problem lives inherently in trying to see God in the physical that's that's the biggest problem. But trying to see God in intellect, will and emotion, and see God as a God of justice. And these things becomes quite clear through scripture, special revelation, and through creation general revelation. So there are things that you can see and know about God. You can't know everything. And I

agree with you on two points. That one that nowadays people use the word awesome towards things that aren't hardly and that every word you use is coming from the imperfect mouth of an imperfect human being. Will be imperfect in the description of God, but it doesn't mean that it can't be beneficial towards the understanding on a human level of God. So you can say things about God. You can say God is great. Is it trite in comparison to the magnificence

of God? Yes, but so is the word magnificence. So there really is things that words. And language is wonderful because it often comes out of the experience, like, for instance, the word excruciating. You know what the root word of excruciating is cross. Oh, yes, so it comes from the very the very pain on the cross. Crush is in the word excruciating. It comes from death on the cross. It comes from that experience. And therefore you say, gosh, I went through this experience. It

was an excruciating experience. Was it really like being nailed to the cross? No? So there's that words are going to be imperfect. Every analogy about God is going to break down. Every you know, conceptual discussion about the intensity of who God is and the vastness of who God is will fall imperfect at the foot of God. But you also use terms like the foot of

God. It's just that's just the way language works. I'm reminded of, you know, scientists that will occasionally call in and be upset at a term that's used that's casual. And I said, what happened this morning with the sun? The sun rise raised? Did it really? No? No, it doesn't rise the sun does it rise and it doesn't set? Yeah, But every scientist that looks out, you know, at a beach is going to say that the sun is setting. They're going to be looking because it's

observational language, and you're going to be limited in that. So philosophically, is there is there some value in the in the concept of the viet negativa, you know theology or the negative theology. Yes, if it's put in there in part with the greater understanding that, yes, you can't know everything about God, you can't know the fullness of God. But there are things that you can know, many of which are taught to you or revealed to

you by God himself and through Scripture, through creation. And if you can know those things, then you can get an idea. You can't put God in a box. You can't put a beard on him. You can't make God white, black or yellow. You can't make a God man or woman in the big concept in the in the you know, uh, the different concept dealing with Christianity would be the trinity. And then you put me into

the equation and you have God becoming flesh. So says John one one in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God, and the word became flesh. So there's, uh, there's difference in Christianity because you have that image. Now you said picture. There are no photographs of me. Scripture says that there was nothing in my outward appearance that made me, you know, there was nothing like a charisma or attitude,

no reason to follow me over someone else. It's it's not like girls were following me because they thought I was good looking, and men were following me because they thought I was super smart. It was more than that, and and so scripture says that it wasn't like I was. I wasn't anything special to look at. Now, in paintings or movies or depictions, it's always this long, sort of blonde haired guy with piercing blue eyes. Doesn't

you know? That doesn't fit the time or any of those things. But that's to set me apart in the context of the movie or the player what have you to be different than anybody else. But you can know certain things about my physical appearance because you know it talked about certain things, but it's not about the physic yes, exactly, add two eyes at two ears,

at a nose and mouth, all those things. But you're a phrase I find confusing, and forgive me for him no, please is you know I was always taught as a child that we were made in the image and likeness of God. Now I've come to understand that that doesn't mean literally the image and likeness of God as physical correct, then God would look like a man exactly. It deals with intellect, will and emotion. That humans have intellect,

will and emotion. There are some theologians actually Frank that argue that angels also were created in the image of God because they have intellect, will, and emotion. And so there are some that go back and forth as to that dialogue and if that might be something of value as well. But really people often misunderstand that and think that that has to do with the physical.

But God is not talking about the physical. If you remember my discussion, uh in in scripture talking about being born again, is people think that that's a you know, that's a group of church or something. It's not. It's a it's a concept in Scripture. It's actually translates to mean begotten from above, not to be born again, but but but to be born from above technically. So in that conversation with Nicodemus, i'm I remember talking to

him. He's trying to grasp it, and he says, well, so I've got to climb in, you know, my mother's womb again And I said, no, no, no, they're they're born. You're born once of the flesh and once of the spirit. Uh. If you're born of the spirit when you come into the understanding of God, and so to say that that you are created in the image of God in the physical is a

misnomer. It's to understand that in the physical your soul is made up of intellect, will and emotion, and that is in the image of God. Taran, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, my Lord, Hi. I wonder if you would explain what you mean when you say I am with you always. Oh, at the end of the show. Yeah, okay, at the end of the show. Essentially, it's it's a reminder

and it's it's loosely referencing Matthew twenty eight. Verse twenty says, teaching to them to observe all that I command you, and lo, I am with

you always, even to the end of the age. And the reason why I say that at the end of the show is because we have a limited time here on the show, and it goes by quickly, and we, you know, only get to share so much, and that it's very easy and the show ends to forget you get wrapped up in the show, or you get wrapped up in what we're doing here, and it's not about the show, and it's not about the circumstances, which is why we refer to

them as life circumstances. Not about just the things around you that will change. It's about what's around you that won't change, and that's God, and that God is a constant. And every time we come together and it's you know, only for a little bit of time. And I hope that you continue to join me every Sunday. But there's some that don't, or they go away, or they can't listen, or they move or whatever it is.

And I don't want it to be about the show. If it's just about us meeting here, then everything I say every single week is lost. It means nothing. The only way that it has power, the only way that it has potency and understanding and is relevant to your life is if you

know that it's it's not about the fleeting moment. It's not about this show, but it's about a relationship with odd and so it's important to me every single week to spend that that last few seconds of the show, to remind you of the importance of that and to let you know that no matter what takes place on the show, outside of the show, in life, that I am with you always KF I Am six on demand