Jesus Christ Show | Hour 3 [01/14]

You're listening to KFI A six on demand. Dan, Welcome to the Jesus Christia. Good morning Jesus. You know, recently I've over the past years, I've been reading a lot of physics books, and to the contrary, brings me closer to the Lord understanding science. My question is, somewhere in the Bible, I think it's Old Testament says you can search one end of the avenue to the other, and you will not find anything like mankind. So I've kind of assumed that this is it. We're the people here on

Earth. His all there is into the universe, and the entire universe is for his glory. I've read that before too, His creation is for his glory. Well, my question is, if there were to be life on other planets, would Jesus, would you be out there dying on the cross and resurrecting across the universe for other people and other life forms? Are that's you'd have to assume that. Now, you brought up a lot of good points. First of all, you're you're right out of the gates. You're

right. Science and and faith are not at odds. They work together, all truth being God's truth. Uh. However, on top of that, the concept you you paraphrased, is that there's no place in scripture that allows for this kind of outside extraterrestrial world. Now, I know a lot of people have problems with that because of the sex appeal of the thought of extraterrestrials

and that type of thing. And and plus then you put people's personal experiences, some that say they've been abducted, and it causes you know, it's almost a religion unto itself. So although the curiosity is there and it's a fascinating topic, that when you look at the scriptural foundation, you have a hard you're you're hard pressed to try and fit the two together. For a couple of reasons. It takes away the specialness of humanity in many ways.

Also, Hebrews two sixteen says, for assuredly, he capital h speaking about me does not give help to angels, but he gives help to the descendants of Abraham speaking about humans. So angels aren't saved. That's why when one third of Heaven left, they stay gone. They can't change their mind or come back or be saved or any of that process. Because they're very different than humans in that sense. As far as the amount of knowledge they have

based on who they are and how they were created. So that shows that there is a difference between me coming as man and saving man versus just me coming as a creature. In this case intellect, will and emotion. I say creature because it's too mirror create. So you can't just say, well, it's going to cover everybody, because if they're different in any way, like the angels are different, then it doesn't count. The purpose was to come as a human to take on the sins of humanity, so there's no

way to get over that in scripture. And lastly, I will say, on the scientific note, it's interesting that when you hear a scientist talk about the mathematical probability of humanity existing from an evolutionary standpoint, that you are talking about numbers, you know, sixteen zero zeros or more behind that concept, which puts it actually it would be more, which puts it in the mathematical

category of an impossibility. So if this one group of life is already an impossibility mathematically that it would come out of chaos or nothing, then to say that there's life somewhere else from a scientific standpoint becomes an interesting mathematical situation too, because now you're saying this one time was impossible by our you know, equations, but now you're saying, well, there's there's going to be life

somewhere else, and now that becomes even more mathematically impossible, not just improbable. So on the science side, it doesn't lend a whole much to it. Although nobody likes to come out and be the bad guy and say now there's probably not life anywhere else, but theologically Dan there's no real room for it. There are people that try and look at versus like there are others that are not of this flock, or I have flock that are not of

this group. And people say, oh, look, that's talking about you know, it's talking about you know, extraterrestrials and God is making room for them. And that's not the case. It's talking about Jews and Gentiles. It's talking about those that were the faithful of the day and those that were

not. And so there, you know, people try and look at things the wheel in the sky and Isaiah and all these type of things and try and make them into something dealing with extraterrestrials, but that it's just not in there. In the scripture, there's no real place for it there to boot. So yeah, and I'd like to add that many times on these science channels and things they talk about all they always say, you know, the odds are the tremendous galaxies out there and all this, the odds are there

would have to be beaming with life. And I always come back and say to myself that they're always saying, man is arrogant to think that he's the only one in the whole universe. I say, well, no, on the contrary, we're so special that God creative size, that he came down here and locked among us, that makes us very special. And that's I think that's the end of it all. Because he created a universe and he

came here makes us very unique and special. And you hear and that's right, Dan, And you hear arguments sometimes people saying, oh, well, you know, the faithful or the religionists say that there aren't extraterrestrials, and that's just because they want to feel like they're special. They're the only ones, as you're saying, they're the only ones on the planet. There can't be anybody else, And it's just humanity's way of feeling special. However,

those who believe in extraterrestrials believe what that they visited where here? Why would they visit here because you think you're special, because you think Earth is worthy of visiting. Yeah, So it's kind of an interesting thing that people get caught up in, Dan, and I appreciate you bringing that up today because a lot of people get caught up in that and listen, it is incredibly interesting and a fascinating discussion. I get that, and I want you to

explore things, and I want you to question things. And you know there's forums for that, you know, Coast to Coast and George and Ian they do a wonderful job, and there's there's places to discuss those things and those ideas, and this is one of them as well. But scripturally, there is not a whole lot of footing for that idea. There's just not And

I know that angers some people. And we have a rule here on the show, and that is that that when it comes to people that you don't change the mind the mind of a devout anything unless they're a devout truth seeker. You won't change the mind of a devout Protestant. You won't change the mind of a devout Catholic. You won't change the mind of a devout Muslim, devout Jew, a devout atheist. You won't change the mind of anybody unless they're a devout truth seeker. First and foremost. That is that that

is what they're seeking. And if they're seeking that, then then there is hope. Cindy, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus, Hi,

Cindy. I have a question. I have been I'm a middle aged individual and had pardoner been recently diagnosed with depression, well recently, it's been a couple of years, and I've also got some sematic pain that I experienced from time to time, and I had also sought treatment alternatively, herbly speaking, if you know what I'm talking about, Yes, marijuana, I'm assuming they're right, Okay, for medical purposes okay, and uh and it's not

for the high per se, I mean, unfortunately, that's the side effect. But I do notice that it does pardon me, help, I mean, I'm concerned about some of the side effects. But marijuana is a depressant. Well, that's what I understand. Why why would why would that help? Well, I also have anxiety issues. So sometimes that that helps I see, that makes more sense. My question is this, I'm not for certain as to the you know, veracity, how the Lord will look at

it. But there's been scripture. You know, they talk about pharmakia a lot of evangelists on the television doo. Yeah, Pharmacia is the the the Greek term for sorcery, mostly in scripture, and it's tied into you know, the word it's where you get the root word for pharmacy or pharmaceuticals. Correct. And yes, there is a point where using certain pharmaceuticals or using certain things to you know, take the edge off or have a different experience,

can be considered a form sorcery. But they're specific in nature. You can't just broad brush it. It's important to understand that that's speaking about people that are using them recreationally for a particular high, to remove themselves out of

reality. It's going to lump the whole thing. And especially when you look at the television commercials and you see the side effects for some of these medications to treat certain illnesses, and it's starting to fold sure at fifty five and you know you're thinking, gosh, the side effects are worse than the treatment that you're going for. Yes, you wonder if everything in the world causes loose stool by the sounds of those commercials, Yeah, exactly. You know

what I'm thinking it Could we possibly have the de lerk? Can we love all of you know, Man's pharmaceuticals in with that pharmakia thing? Or what's the deal here? Where do we draw the line? Well, when it comes to marijuana, it may sound like a technicality, but it's an important one. It's about its legality. If it's illegal work to Scripture says you're to be respecting the laws of the land unless those laws dictates you to reject

God in some way. You know, I don't want to bring what's reproach upon the Lord for doing something that's not right at you know, the stumbling and things like that too. I mean, it's not something I advertise, but I want to get, you know, an opinion on that because I'm thinking pharmachea, I'm thinking gush. I mean, some of the stuff that's out there, like Vicardin is abused. Absolutely. That's one of those things

that become is a Christian comfort level. And you look and you see things that are become cultural and therefore the church thinks, well, this is where the stance on scripture, but it's not. It's been a cultural part of the church, but not a theological part of the church. And you shouldn't be abusing any substance whatsoever, whether it's something legal like alcohol, or whether

it's something you drink alcoholic it makes me sick. Thank God. Well, there's different things that that you know, people are comfortable, and that's that's not the fair way to look at The fair way to look at it is that mostly scripture is silent on it specifically but generically when it's speaking about pharmacia. It's to understand that if you are in an altered state, you are

more susceptible to, you know, spiritual suggestions. And in this particular case, if that's the same with any medicine that you're on that's not just ones that you feel a buzz on necessarily. The difference is, you know, somebody can have a glass of wine and not get high. However, if you're smoking pot, the only effects you're going to have or reward from it, if you will, if it's used medicinally, is going to be if you obtain that high. There's not you know, a bunch of shades of

gray. So there's not like a high level like there is, you know, an alcohol blood level. Well, you have to be responsible too, I mean, if you know that that's a side effect, it's relieving other issues, but don't drive. You don't do stu the things exactly, other medication exactly. So so the takeaway here that is important. Cindya's first and foremost. You have to use it appropriately and protect it. Treat it like a powerful prescription drug. Don't leave it out, don't leave it where kids

can get it, those types of things. And if you're in the confines of those laws, then there's not going to be anything in scripture that's going to have a problem with that. Tim, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Tim, you're there. Yeah, I got questions. Yes, I grew up. Mesis a whole fortification by school, church camp. That the whole up. Then I got kicked out of my house of the moment r And then I basically blamed God because you know, I felt I

did anything I should and he let me down. I feel And now my wife and my kids they go to church, and every time I go with them, I feel out of place. Why do I feel that way? Because you you aren't right with God. I mean, if you feel uncomfortable in front of somebody, it's usually because of something you did, or miscommunication, for one, blaming me for the things that you've done, or or putting on me the you know, the situations in your life obviously built there

by you, Tim is gonna put a division. And I think you know that deep down if you're honest with yourself and you look at the decisions you've made and the actions you've put forth in the relationship, in the situation that you you know, if you're honest with yourself, we'll say, Okay, there's things that I've done that I'm not happy about, I'm not proud of, or are not productive in the relationship, either with your family or with

God. And by doing those things, you separate yourself from God. You go into a church, of course, you're not going to feel comfortable because you're not comfortable. I mean, there's always the option that you could not feel comfortable because the church is odd or the people in the church aren't very loving. But just based on the simple description that you gave to me today,

I would say that there's something you're doing to separate yourself. And if you start playing that name, that name and blame game that everybody does, you know it's their fault, or it's their fault or I blame it on God. That usually points to the fact that you're not being honest to yourself about things that you've done or things that you haven't done, in a relationship

with your family, whatever it might be. To make things work. Frank, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Thank you for taking my call, my pleasure. How can I help you? Yeah, my question is about what some people call negative of theology, and I ask it maybe specifically with the thought of how is a Christian, myself or any Christians supposed to view or have a picture of God. You know, my feelings as God is such just a wonderful, great transcendence thing. I can't even understand, a

mystery, true awe, not all like people use these days. Sure people say awesome all the time. Yeah, yeah, it gets watered down a little bit, doesn't it. Yeah, So I find it easier and somewhat valuable to think that God is not this, He's not an old man with a gray beard, the Father God, if you were here, so we have a picture of you as you were as a human. But I just at least, yeah, God is just a great, wonderful mystery. And I wondered your thoughts about that. Well, oh, I am a Christian.

Any Christian should try to view God. That's a wonderful question. It brings up a whole lot. So let's see how much of it we can get to. First of all, when you're dealing with negative theology or what's referred to as via negativa in a Latin or in the negative way, or another theological term for it would be a prophetic theology. So if you're if you're dealing with that kind of theology or the the the removal where you're removing

that there are or pointing out the things you can't know about God. Is is a process. There's a there is some controversy with it. I will tell you the thing that I don't like about it, or statements like and you alluded to this yourself, and I'll point out why. But you said yourself about knowing what you can't know about God. That when you get to that negative theology concept where where you say statements like human beings cannot use words

about the essence of God. Unfortunately, that's self stultifying because you're using words about the essence of God, even if it's in the negative. The use of the negative in philosophy makes the philosopher feel that they're removing themselves and like almost humbling themselves and removing themselves from the equation. But really you're not. You're essentially saying, I can't utter one word of English, not one. By saying that statement, you've countered the statement. So by saying that you

can't Emmanuel Kant said this as well, that you can't know God. But by making that statement, you're making a knowledge statement about God. So if you can have that one piece of knowledge about God, how come you can't have other pieces of knowledge about God? That would be my I guess what I mean is, you know, I used words to say that God is great, and God is a great and that's awesome. So I believe you can say things about God. But perhaps the negative side has some value in

saying, indeed, this is what he's not. He's not an old man with a great beard. Absolutely. So that brings me to my second point, which furthers this which is that it's more fair to say that there are certain things you can know and certain things you can't know. Certain things you know by special revelation meaning scripture where God says this is who I am and this is what I do, and that way you can know. And then in Romans one it talks about general revelation and that there are things that you

can know by the designer, by way of the design. So for instance, you can learn things about an artist if they put enough of themselves into their art. Yeah, you can tell if they like reds, if they like textures, textures, or if they like muted colors or these types of things. These will give you insights to the individual, just like creation will give you insights to the creator. That God is a reasonable God, that God is a god of justice, that God is a god of intellect,

will and emotion. These things can be seen in the creation, so you can know things. Now, then you brought in this third element, which is why I said, such a wonderful question, but very complex. You brought in this third possibility, and that's dealing with anthropomorphism when you start applying human attributes to God. And that is a huge problem and we talked about this some weeks ago, that people tend to make God a bigger them. It's like God is just a better me. And you say that in your

head over and over and over again, and you think, okay. And that's why you think an old man because it age comes wisdom, right, So you assume that God is wise. God has to be old then, and then the man part comes from patriarchal society and those images. And obviously that scripture written in the masculine tense when it's refers to God most of the time save for one name of God else Shaudai, which is a female tense speaking of the nurturing aspects of God. But these things all kind of mix

and mesh frank into your knowledge of God and how you see God. The problem lives inherently in trying to see God in the physical, that's the biggest problem. But trying to see God in intellect, will and emotion, and see God as a God of justice in these things becomes quite clear through scripture, specials of revelation, and through creation general revelation. So there are things that you can see and know about God. You can't know everything. And

I agree with you on two points. That one that nowadays people use the word awesome towards things that aren't hardly and that every word you use is coming from the imperfect mouth of an imperfect human being. Will be imperfect in the description of God, but it doesn't mean that it can't be beneficial towards the understanding on a human level of God. So you can say things about God. You can say God is great. Is it trite in comparison to the

magnificence of God? Yes, but so is the word magnificence. So there there really is things that words and language is wonderful because it often comes out of the experience, like, for instance, the word excruciating. You know what the root word of excruciating as crosses, So it comes from the very the very pain on the cross. Krush come is in the word excruciating. It comes from death on the cross. It comes from that experience. And

therefore you say, gosh, I went through this experience. It was an excruciating experience. Was it really like being nailed to the cross? No? So there's the words are going to be imperfect. Every analogy about God is going to break down. Every you know, conceptual discussion about the intensity of who God is and the vastness of who God is. It will fall imperfect at the foot of God. But you also use terms like the foot of God. It's just that's just the way language works. I'm reminded of.

You know, scientists that will occasionally call in and be upset at a term that's used that's casual. And I said, what happened this morning with the sun? The sun rise raised? Did it really? No? No, it doesn't rise. The sun doesn't rise and doesn't set. Yeah, but every scientist that looks out, you know, at a beach, is going to say that the sun is setting. They're going to be looking because it's

observational language, and you're going to be limited in that. So philosophically, is there is there some value in the in the concept of the vietn negativa, you know, theology or the negative theology. Yes, if it's put in there in part with a greater understanding that, Yes, you can't know everything about God, you can't know the fullness of God, but there are things that you can know, many of which are taught to you or revealed

to you by God himself and through scripture, through creation. And if you can know those things, then you can get an idea. You can't put God in a box. You can't put a beard on him. You can't make God white, black or yellow. You can't make a God man or woman in the big concept in the in the you know, uh, the the different concept dealing with Christianity would be the trindity. And then you put

me into the equation and you have God becoming flesh. So says John one one in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word was God, and the word became flesh. So there's there's difference in Christianity because you have that image. Now you said picture. There are no photographs of me. Scripture says that there was nothing in my outward appearance that made me, you know, there was nothing like a charisma or attitude,

no reason to follow me over someone else's. It's not like girls were following me because they thought I was good looking and men were following me because they thought I was super smart. It was more than that. And so Scripture says that it wasn't like I was I wasn't anything special to look at. Now in paintings or movies or depictions, it's always this long, sort of blonde haired guy with piercing blue eyes. Doesn't you know that doesn't fit the

time period or any of those things. But that's to set me apart in the context of the movie or the player what have you to be different than anybody else. But you can know certain things about my physical appearance because you know it talked about certain things, but it's not about the physical man. Yes, exactly, I had two eyes at two ears, out of nose and mouth all those things. But I find confusing and forgive me for him no, please. As you know, I was always taught as a child

that we were made in the image and likeness of God. Now I've come to understand that that doesn't mean literally the image and likeness of God as physical, because then God would look like a man. Exactly. It deals with intellect, will and emotion. That humans have intellect, will and emotion. There are some theologians, actually Frank, that argue that angels also were created

in the image of God because they have intellect, will and emotion. And so there are some that go back and forth as to that dialogue and if that might be something of value as well. But really people often misunderstand that and think that that has to do with the physical. But God is not talking about the physical. If you remember my discussion in scripture talking about being born again is people think that that's a you know, that's a group of

church or something. It's not. It's a it's a concept in Scripture. It's actually translates to mean be gotten from above, not to be born again, but but but to be born from above technically. So in that conversation with Nicodemus, i'm I remember talking to him and he's trying to grasp it, and he says, well, so I've got to climb in, you know, my mother's womb again. And I said, no, no, no, they're born. You're born once the flesh and wants the spirit.

If you're born of the spirit when you come into the understanding of God. And so to say that that you are created in the image of God in the physical is a misnomer. It's to understand that in the physical your soul is made up of intellect, will and emotion, and that is in the image of God. Taren, Welcome to the Jesus Christ. Show hi, my lord, Hi. I wonder if you would explain what you mean when you say, I am with you always. Oh, at the end of

the show. Yeah, okay, at the end of the show. Essentially, it's a reminder and it's loosely referencing Matthew twenty eight, verse twenty. It says, teaching to them to observe all that I command you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. And the reason why I say that at the end of the show is because we have limited time here on the show, and it goes by quickly, and we, you know, only to share so much, and that

it's very easy when the show ends to forget. You get wrapped up in the show, or you get wrapped up in what we're doing here. And it's not about the show, and it's not about the circumstances, which is why we refer to them as life circumstances. Not about just the things around you that will change. It's about what's around you that won't change, and that's God, and that God is a constant. And every time we come together and it's you know, only for a little bit of time, and

I hope that you continue to join me every Sunday. But there's some that don't or they go away, or they can't listen, or they move or whatever it is. And I don't want it to be about the show. If it's just about us meeting here, then everything I say every single week is lost. It means nothing. The only way that it has power, the only way that it has potency and understanding and is relevant to your life, is if you know that it's it's not a the fleeting moment. It's

not about this show, but it's about a relationship with God. And so it's important to me every single week to spend that last few seconds of the show to remind you of the importance of that and to let you know that no matter what takes place on the show, outside of the show in life, that I am with you always. KFI AM six forty on demand