Jesus Christ Show | Hour 2 [04/23]

You're listening to KF I am sixty on demand. Ellis welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Yes, sir, thank you've taken the call my pleasure. Oh. I'll go to a wonderful church and enjoy it, and I give a lot out of the preaching and everything. But they handle a belief that's once save, always saved. I'm dougging the Bible and I just can't find anything about that. Oh you okay, So you think that salvation can be

lost? Oh? I believe if you're saved and you go back in the sin and you would die that I don't just ano see how you can go to heaven. Well, do you believe that you're saved currently? Oh? Yes? Okay? Um, are you a sinner still? No? So you're not a sinner anymore? You don't sin anymore? Uh? Yeah, I guess I do sin, okay every night? Okay, So, but I don't get it. So you go back and forth between being saved and not saved every day? No? Yes. The Greek word that's translated into

English's salvation means safety and deliverance. So it's kind of a hard stretch to believe that either it's safety or it's not safety. Now you can walk out of the home. Let's say that there's a home that is guarded beyond any other home. It is the most well guarded fortress in the land. Yes, if you walk out of that house, you're no longer protected. But with Christianity and with your salvation, there's many, many scriptures. I'd point

you to Romans eight, thirty three and thirty four. Also John three three, Tightus three to five. All of these things are important to understand first. But a lot of people go they go to let's say, Hebrews.

Hebrews chapter six, verse four, and says, for in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have made part bin mart been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put him to open shame. So a lot of people read that and they say, see,

people can fall away, and they can lose their salvation. But if you cross reference that verse right there, Ellis with Matthew twenty seven thirty four. It talks about me on the cross and them giving me the vinegar, and if you remember, I taste it, but I don't drink it. I taste it, but I didn't drink it. And that's important to that part of the gospel. But also the word therefore tasted is the exact same word

that's used here in this verse in Hebrews. And really it's about those who have tasted, who have kind of walked up to the line and maybe gone to church, maybe claimed to be a Christian, those types of things, but they have never immersed themselves in the faith and never ever truly invited God into their life. Now, the reason why they can never go back is because they don't believe they're gone from it to begin with. They just don't.

They don't capture that. But keep in mind, above all these things, what is it that you think you could do that outdoes the blood on the cross? Nothing? Absolutely, So it's not about the sin. It's about the Redeemer. And it's not about what sin can you do that would keep you away from or take you away from God? It's what sin could you do? That God couldn't cover with the blood of his son. And therefore to make the statement that once saved, always saved is a fair one.

It's a fair one. And I know that not all churches in Christianity

believe that, but it's a very fair one. And I think if you look through scripture and you think about the true concept of being given this gift and that your only partner is to receive it and to understand your sinner and to be in that constant state of repentance turning away from those things that are not of God, that you'll understand that this gift given to you by God wouldn't be taken away by God if you sinned, because that was the whole

purpose of salvation is to bridge that gap. Because people are sinners. So if you miss the mark, which is what sinning truly translates to me, and if you miss your mark, the purpose of God being there is to get you back on that mark, not to shun you for forever. Chris, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Illow Jus h want just in the wrong way, but an about free will and all. But I wonder if if Heaven was therfect, why a third of the angels left with Lucifer.

Okay, so in what sense are you saying, why would they not want to be there if it was perfect? Yeah, okay, it's it's not much different than why people reject good things on earth as well. Now, the difference between angels and humans are are this and it's going to be a

big concept in a small amount of time. So bear with me that if you can imagine a glass, an eight ounce glass, and it's empty, that's a human when they're born, and that eight ounce glass is filled up throughout their life with experiences and is only full at the point of their death. So that decision that they make prior to death is the best decision you know, or made with the best information that they'll ever have in their life,

and therefore it's an ultimate decision. Now that that means that a Christian can waver back and forth in their faith, but if they believe, truly believe, and give their life to Christ right before that point of death, that decision becomes final to an angel. An angel, when created is a is a filled glass. They don't come into any newness. They're they're what they call in theology, a fully actualized potential. So the full potential of

that eight ounces is given at the moment they're created. So when an angel makes the decision, the angel makes it with the fullness of understanding, especially being in the presence of God. They know all that they're going to know in that context, in that way, in that form. So you have

Lucifer who's there in the presence of God, and Heaven is perfect. But Lucifer, as it talks about in Scripture and Isaiah fourteen, it talks about Lucifer having pride and wanting to be bigger and better than God and more important

than God. And at that point and those angels that see that agree with Lucifer, and at that point those angels are cast out of heaven, and Heaven remains perfect as far as the free will, because angels have free will, it's merely a choice or a desire to be above God or that pride that steps in that changes that relationship and changes their dealings with God. And now no longer messengers for God. They are messengers of their own chaos.

And they are sent and now to have rain on earth and will ultimately be put in the Lake of fire. So it's really a matter of pride stepping in. But that doesn't speak of the perfection of heaven any more than it speaks of the perfection of the garden of Eden. As long as if you remember, it talks about it being good, it is good, It is good as good, it is whole, which is where perfection comes from.

It's only when someone makes the decision to break that communion with God or to go on their own way, that the will of God is lost and not sought. That there is a breakdown in the order of things which makes things imperfect. That won't happen in heaven. There won't be that you won't get the opportunity to make that decision. Differently, when you're in heaven, you make the decision now in the fullness of your life, and then it's with

you for eternity. Tim welcome to Jesus Christ show I thank you protecting my call. I want to find out your thoughts and what scripture says about God's intervention I am. The only example I can give you is reading a lot about the nine eleven a tragedy. There was a lot of people that's fated that they heard a voice that might have told them to go one way or

the other. Many people felt that that was God's intervention helping them, and there was a lot of people that didn't have that or that went the wrong way and might not have survived. And so I guess my question is because I don't know everything about the scripture and I wanted to know what your thoughts were. Is why do you feel or what does the scripture say about God's interventions from possibly certain people and not other people, even though many of the

people probably were God fearing people and Christians and that sort of thing. Oh, that's a wonderful question because a lot of people get caught up in you know, truly, if God intervened in everything, there would be no problems, right, you know it Just because the majority a good chunk of the planet comes from the Judeo Christian presupposition, you're going to have a good number of people that are listening to God. So there's a couple of things to

keep in mind. First, not everything God says is heard by man, meaning even the believer can reject certain things that God says because it suits them or doesn't suit them. There are many things that are told directly to you from scripture, not even in your head, but in scripture that you know what to do and what not to do, and people still don't do them right the Ten Commandments. There are people that lie all the time. There

are people that steal all the time. Even people that are Christians believe, oh, well, this isn't stealing, it's just a paper clip from work, or they justify it. But ultimately they're using excuses. So it doesn't mean that God isn't speaking just because man isn't listening. However, the balance of what God does versus you know, when it comes to intervening, God absolutely intervenes in creation, but not in the superhero type way. There is

always an exit. God will allow you an exit for things spiritual. So spiritually, if you're in a situation where the devil's taunting you, or the devil wants you to do something, or or you're feeling tempted, there will always be an exit. People say, no, if I get you know, sexually, as or I get to a point where I'm excited, there's no way I can go back. That's not true. There's always going to be an exit for you to downshift and relax, find a way out from

that. But in life. There's not always an exit from harm. There just isn't. And people it's it's very easy when something good happens to you to give glory to God. It's the case because all good comes from God.

So it's very easy for people to say, oh, I feel that God led me through this path, and they may it may be more along the lines of someone saying, hey, my my, you know, Dad taught me how to be good with my hands, and when I was out in the wild and when I got lost that one time, Um, you know, I was able to build an a frame, fire and build shelter and all of these things. And I really felt that my my dad, rather my dad taught me well and he really got me out of there.

Now, some people may be using it like that, like tools that God has given me to think through things and to understand has gotten me out of there. And there's times where God legitimately reaches into a circumstance and says do this as a way for an individual to confirm their faith and their understanding. And there's not a specific category in scripture that says these are the times it's

going to happen, and these are the times it's not. You just know from scripture that it does happen on occasion, and not everybody heard or not everybody was told. And to find some sort of understanding as to who God tells and who God doesn't that you're not going to find that. In scripture it says that he speaks to the faithful, and that doesn't mean every time or all the time. It just says that He does speak to the faithful.

And in this case, it doesn't mean that the person that didn't hear it isn't faithful and that the person that did hear it is more faithful. It's just the choices of God for whatever reason you may not know here on this particular plane. It may be some time when you're in heaven before you'll understand the fullness of these moves and for what reason God does those things. But for now, just understand that it is possible, and that you should

be attentive and discerning to the voice of God. Carl, Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. Hello Jesus Hi. My question for you today, sir, is on faith, loss of it and the possibility of truly getting it back or is this a situation you're living through right now, Carl, Yes, Okay, what's going on? Well? As a child, I grew up in church relatives that are missionaries over in Brussels, Belgium. But at one point, whenever I switched to a different church, I was labeled a creative

evolutionist because I believed in science and I believe in God. Okay, through there, and won't I won't call it a tax, but through their unwillingness to kind of help me get this work done in my own brain, I left the church and over the years had just lost a basic faith in myself And don't know if the ability to truly get it back and truly believe something that you've lost belief in. And I'm just wondering your thoughts on that.

Well, it sounds to me a little bit that, doesn't it, Carl, like you you left a bit in a pout, because I mean, if you really believe something and it's even a little different from the church, and you want that you know, and I say, the church in this case, the specific church you were going to r why not try and teach, why not try and explain it and in the hopes of people understanding things

a little differently, or maybe you didn't really believe it. I mean, why wouldn't you at least fight for the idea to be heard, and why would you just give it all up. I'm not I'm not sure that that is the logical conclusions. I was ostracized and I was actually asked to leave the youth group because I was asking questions that they didn't deem proper in their church. Okay, well that's not the church you want to be in anyways. I mean us questions. Are you know the questions are important? They

were to me, yes, of course. The Bible says test all things, hold fast to that which is true and good. And it doesn't say except for scripture, or except for these words, or except for those words, or except from anything that comes out of the mouth of the church, or no, it says you want you want to you want to test things. You don't want to use that as an excuse to never have conclusions. These people that say, oh, you're not being open minded, it's it's

it's garbage. The truth is an open mind is like that of an open mouth. Its purpose is to remain open only long enough to put something in it of value, and then to shut it to consume it, and if the brain is always open, then you're never consuming anything. It's just things coming in and out, and there's no there's nothing that you can build upon. So I'm glad that you're thinking, and I think it's important for you to grow and to learn. But have you continue to ask these questions?

Have you gotten answers why uh theistic evolution is or isn't a problem? Well back then and again this is a long time ago, because I'm forty two now and this is when A rose ten or twelve, I believe it was. Oh, that's been going on for a long time. Yes, in internal conflict, Yes, try to How can I say, try to rationalize things for my own beliefs. I have just become and I didn't want to become, but I have just become a see it, feel it, you know, hear it type of belief person. Okay, So what I would

love to have the ability to truly believe in the ungraspable. Well, I think that's a little simplistic for you, Carl, and I think you're a little deeper than that, because I'm going to point something out for you. Um, do you believe in uh spaceships and lightsabers and laser guns to the extent of in the science fiction Yes, no, in the science fiction sense, because there's they don't exist. You realize that there's no such thing as

a lightsaber. You can't control light to only go four feet high and so, but you can see those things, right, You can see it on cellulide, you can see them in a film. Um, so seeing doesn't necessarily mean leaving, certainly, not anymore. With photoshop and everything else, you can create things that look real that aren't real. Right, yes, okay, So seeing is not believing, No, no, not an vetting. So the point being that there are you still have to use discernment in

every walk of your life. Also, love, love is immeasurable. Now they have done tests where they can see that the certain parts of the brain are activating during love type moments, but you can't put it in a Petri dish. Furthermore, when it comes to past singular events, you can use a science called forensics, and you can take a past path to look backwards and say this is here, which notes ergo because they like using Latin ergo.

This points to this, This points to this, and then it points a picture of a murder scene, for instance, and they say, you can't recreate the murder. It only happened once and it will only ever happen once. So they have to use forensic science to take those evidences and piece together a puzzle that gives a picture that looks and in the legal terms, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that this is what went down. But nobody knows. Nobody knows for sure, right, it's just this is our

best guess based on the information at hand. And that's essentially what science is all around, not just forensic, but science is observation. And there are even purer scientists, philosophical scientists that believe that the mere observation of the moment or the evidence or the instant is unpure because you're looking at it, you're observing it, and it's causing you're causing a change somehow. So there's no

such thing as a purely observational moment or purely scientific moment. Because you play apartment there's all you can cut and continue to cut this in half and in half and in half to analyze it. So really it's about using discernment in life and knowing the difference between a photoshopped image and a real image. How well you can go into the pixel configuration. You can go into all these things. And when it comes to scripture, you're doing the same thing.

Faith is not something in place of reason, Carl. Faith is that tiny percent that comes after reason that you can't know until you jump. You can't know if that water is really water beneath you until you jump off the cliff and land in it. You can assume because it looks like the color of water, it's making the sound of water, it's consistency seems like that of

water that you've come across in the past. You're on a cliff. It's very common when there's when there's something that's that color, that that's shape, that that movement at the bottom of a cliff. Oftentimes it is water all these things, but you don't know until you jump off it yourself and experience that that it really is water. And no scientist will tell you Differently, so when you're dealing with a past singular like evolution, no scientist knows.

They're looking at pieces and they're going, well, we think this is what

it means. That's why you've got punctuated equilibrium and all these different belief systems in within that mindset of the theory of evolution, and the concern that the Bible has with evolution or a church wood is that in Scripture, in when it talks about creation, it says every flesh to its own kind, and that would be a problem with theistic evolution because if the flesh is unto its own kind, it mean it didn't morph or somehow come from a flesh of

a prior kind. So therefore, theologically there's problems with the theistic evolution model. And it doesn't mean that science is wrong all the time, and it doesn't mean that Scripture is wrong. It just means that the models do mesh in a different way. Uh. And there's more studying to be done. But to walk away from the Church seems like a big deal for a lot of questions that you don't have answers to right now. Carl, Okay, And I do apologize if I if I lean this towards evolution, because that's

not where I was wanting to put. That was strictly a bad evolution. That's just kind of the name that they gave me at that time. Sure, I'm just saying that as a bigger picture for the sake of our discussion today is for a bigger picture. Just understand that there's more to know always, and I just want you to take the time to study. And I'm sorry that things went down that way. I'm not happy the way the church responds to individuals quite often. Um. But but don't pin that on me.

I want to have a relationship with you, and I'm I'm hoping you feel the same. George, Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to ask a question because if you can point out somewhere in the scriptures I could read possibly about a lighter side of Jesus. Nobody seems to talk about that much. Were I want. I want to know and believe that he laughed a lot. You know that he laughed and had

a sense of humor, and you know that that side of him. Um. Is there anyone in the scripture I can read about that kind of that side? You know what? You don't see that specifically, um, in scripture. But I'm glad that you brought it up, because there there's a there's some illustrations and paintings out there. There's one actually called the Laughing Jesus, and I love that because you're right, it seems that that there's not a whole lot of depiction of me having a sense of humor. However,

it is right in front of you. A lot of people just don't see it. Um and this kind of happens, by the way, it's it's read. If you if you look at now modern day usage of emails, you're you know, nowadays people use emails all the time, whereas you know, back in ninety six or something like that, it was probably just used for certain specific offices and inside only, and now people use it in their everyday life and all the time. Emailing, Well, you read an email

and you put aside emoticons. Emoticons are when people type things that look like facial expressions, using you know, colons, semi colon's, parentheses and stuff like that to look like they're smiling. If you kind of take that away, it's really difficult to see the emotion in what's being written sometimes, and there's even studies that there's a lot of misunderstandings that occur because because people are using emails more than calling, and so they'll write something and a person doesn't

understand and they read it in their own had a certain way. And that happens with scripture as well. So, George, sometimes when you go to church, you hear or reading from the Book of Revolution, and it's people, there's no life in it. There's no and Jesus said, and there's

no expression applied to it, and therefore it kind of lands lifeless. But I extend to you example of me talking and saying someone asked about about rich people and heaven, and my response is it is easier to get a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. Oh, theologians have gone just beside themselves to try and figure out Some have gone well. If you look at the ancient text, the word for camel is very similar to rope, and I couldn't no, no,

no, no. And there's those that go well. In the ancient days, they're around any city. There was a wall and there was a curfew. So after a certain time, all the doors, the main doors to the city were shut and you could only get into this very small door called the eye of a needle, and the camel to get through it would have to get down and no, no, no, that's even you can

even find that in some Bible encyclopedia, but it's not the case. So that leaves this one interpretation, George, that it was sarcasm, And there's also other sarcastic type remarks, not in the negative or ugly sense, not a kind of smarmy or ugly way in any way, shape or form.

What it is is showing a sense of humor in teaching and using that term because a rope would have been the profound way to say it, right, It is easy to get a rope through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven, Right, George, that would have been what you'd assume somebody would say if they were trying to be profound. But a camel through the eye of a needle is not profound. It's goofy. Yet it

gets the point across. But when someone reads that today, they read it with profundity, and they read it in a tone that's a you know, monotone has no inflection, and the assumption is that it's, oh, that it was trying to be profound. Oh, there's there's a lot of playfulness there in that expression. To understand the seriousness of the situation that somebody who runs after riches will never get into heaven because you're not you're not seeking God

in truth in those things. That doesn't mean that somebody with wealth doesn't get into heaven. It's somebody that's seeking those things, as we know, because the scripture says that. It doesn't say that the money is the root of all evil. If you read it correctly, it says the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. So all those understandings point to the fact that there is humor in scripture, but it wasn't important to the

overall scheme of things. Again, so it's it's not highlighted in a way that I think, you know, some people it would have stood out differently. But if you read scripture and allow it to breathe and express itself to you, I think you'll see that there is points of humor. I mean, for goodness sake, look at the duck, build platypus. I mean, God does have a sense of humor. There are wonderful things in life. Not to mention that your sense of humor is a direct attribute of God.

Finding humor in things and enjoying those things. What the Bible frowns upon is course jester and jesting rather and which unfortunately kicks my producer Neil out of the game because his sense of humor has issues. But that notwithstanding, the important thing is that humor is a part of everyday life. It was a part of our life. Are you kidding? The thirteen of us would would spend time together it just and have humor and enjoy one another. It just

in context of scripture and the importance of what's being taught. It doesn't really have an important enough place to have been in scripture in that context. But you can see it if you look close enough. You're listening to kf I AM six forty on demand.