Zelenskyy, and making disagreements public as opposed to keeping them private

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Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on Hey Thursday, on Magnificent Thursday, We're about to talk about the peace process some more. Jd Vance said something today, lessons for you and me about discussing things publicly with friends and family. Jasmine Crockett's still an idiot. All that immigration updates and I will hopefully this hour we get to who I believe the twenty twenty eight Democrat nominee is going to be.

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Jdvance said something about the Zelensky Ukraine Russia peace process. So he who's at seapack today? He spoke, but he gave an interview to Benny Johnson and he said something, And I want you to listen to this, not because I expect you to care about Ukraine or Russia or Jadvans or maybe you care about all these things. That's fine. There's an incredible lesson in this for all of us.

How did it go?

So?

Why is Donald Trump giving speeches now? Openly trashing Zelensky. You never did that before. Now he's just trashing him. It's pull of numbered suck, he sucks, he's addictedd Why listen to jd vance?

President Lensky, His country wouldn't exist without the generosity of the United States of America. So say thank you, and if you disagree with the President, pick up the phone and call him, or call one of our great diplomats. Don't go on a media tour around Europe bad mouthing the President United States.

It's insulting.

It's insulting to him, it's insulting to me, it's insulting to the American people.

And by the way, it's stupid.

All of us who know the President would tell you that bad mouthing him in public is not the way to get President Trump to change his mind. So I think Zelenski needs to have some better consultants.

Controlling your mouth is difficult. It's more difficult for some than others. I know you're going to find this stunning, but it's difficult for me. I've found myself in trouble many, many times.

Marine Corps at work.

Other times because when I see something wrong, when I see something I dislike and injustice to some kind, whatever it may be.

I'm more prone.

To speak up, speak up against thority, speak up against other people. And I'm not saying don't stand up for yourself. I'm not saying that. But I will say something that I have learned over forty three years of living on this planet, as I discussed in the opening hour, as I've discussed many times, and this is for you and for me, so you don't go through the pain I've gone through. You can say for almost anything to somebody privately, and because you didn't add embarrassment to it, they will

Now listen, that is.

A teenage, a snotty teenage way of looking at the world.

I shouldn't have to.

Okay, Then don't let me know how it works out for you in your life. Zelensky made a critical mistake very clearly. The guy has been coddled by every single world leader, including ours, over the last three years.

Oh Zelensky, Oh, I love you all. What a hero. I love you, I love you, I'd love you.

It's stunning to me that he would be dumb enough to give a television interview and utter anything but the largest compliments for Donald Trump. How could you possibly be that lacking in awareness? And Donald Trump, maybe more so than any politician I've ever seen. If you insult Trump publicly, he will I'll never forget it.

He will destroy you publicly. How could you be that dumb?

You are allegedly trying to preserve your country, your countrymen, your treasury, and save something, and you looked at the one guy who has your entire future in your hands and thought you could get a good snippet out of trashing him for European television. You moron. Let it be a lesson for all of us. Zolenski, Oh, this is gonna be a negotiated piece. I'll get to that in a second. Almost guarantee you, Zelenski and Ukraine will not

Hey, you moron privately.

Now, as far as this peace process goes, you know what, the wildest thing about this is since Trump has started to dig into this and he's talking with the Russians and he.

Started to do all these things.

You know what the craziest part of this peace process is is watching how many people are criticizing a peace agreement.

That doesn't even exist. I want you to do this.

Do this if you feel like having a good time with your liberal ant page, or maybe even somebody on the right who's really really angry about the Ukrainian Russian peace agreement, ask them which part of the peace agreement don't you like? Ask them it'll be you'll have a great time doing this to somebody this weekend. Ask them, Oh, okay, don't don't argue, just oh man, you're mad.

About that, oh Trump?

And putin Okay, tell me which part of the peace agreement do you dislike the most? Just ask them and watch what happens, because let me clue you in on something which you already know. There is no peace agreement yet none, We know nothing. Nobody knows anything. We have begun negotiations like two days ago. Russia is gonna have things they want, Ukraine's gonna have things they want. We are gonna have things we want. Europe's gonna have things

I don't like this.

There is no peace agreement to get angry about now. So if you're angry about it, what it tells me is you're angry about peace. Is that true? You just don't want there to be peace. Who wouldn't want that? Three years of fighting and butchery and you don't want it to end. Look what Trump said is true. Have you seen the pictures the video? Kiev Aside or Kiev, depending on how you say it. Ukrainian cities are rubble. Ukrainian young men are gone, absolutely gone, I'm looking at this.

Russian children as well.

I should point out there is no peace agreement to get angry about. If you're angry about this, then you're angry about peace, and that's kind of gross.

Wouldn't you agree? All right?

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It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Thursday. And let's do some emails, shall we, before we get into some illegal immigration talk. You know what pausitive emails for a moment, because I just, like I said, I love that American leaders are now speaking boldly to our quote allies in Western civilization and scolding them for trashing their countries. And I you know, I'm the ultimate ugly American. I want Germany to be Germany to be awesome. I want the UK to be I love Britain, I'll be honest.

I love them.

I know you're going to be mad at me for this. I want France to be great. France has an incredible history. I don't want to see these countries burn. I don't, but their leaders have sold them out same way our leaders sold us out, and it's bad, and I want America to straighten them up.

To JD. E. Vance spoke today at Seapraper.

We cannot rebuild Western civilization. We cannot rebuild the United States of America or Europe by letting millions and millions of unvetted illegal migrants come into our country.

It has to stop.

Thank god, it's stopped here, but it's got to stop there. And a related issue, Mercedes is you can't just stop it. You have to allow European peoples and of course the American people too, to raise issues about it. You have to allow free.

Speech to bait this stuff.

You have to stop doing things to the populations of the world. You've got to give the populations of the world the opportunity to speak up and say no more of this bs.

That's wonderful.

I'll give you one more JD events before we do some emails. He's killing it out there.

Many's entire defense is subsidized by the American taxpayer. There are thousands upon thousands of American troops in Germany today. Do you think that the American taxpayer is going to stand for that? If you get thrown in jail in Germany for posting a mean tweet, of course they're not right. So the point that I try to make to our European friends, and I think that there are friends I believe that I know President Trump does, is that friendship

Wonderful, wonderful to hear American politicians talk like that, Jesse. I heard you slamming Lindsey Graham, and I don't want to tell you I'm one hundred percent behind you. I remember December twenty nineteen, after the first failed impeachment, Lindsay stood up in front of the entire world and vowed his Senate Judiciary Committee was going to get to the bottom of this Russian collusion Ukraine Gate stuff, and they are going to hold people accountable. He sat on his

It to change. That has worked great for Lindsey Graham.

You know.

I know he has to pretend every now and then when it's campaign season to be the freedom fighting reformer.

But Lindsey Graham, he loves how things have worked.

Even under Joe Biden, all that weaponization of government and stuff like that, Lindsey Graham wasn't sitting around stressing that like you were stressing that it all worked fine for Lindsey Graham.

Dear Jesse.

Negotiated settlements are possible when the parties involved are rational. This is about my talk on negotiated settlements, how the war will end. What happens when one or all of these parties are irrational something to think about. It is something to think about. It's a valid complaint, a valid point, I should say. But I would argue this when in the history of the world have all the leaders involved been rational and logical. Human beings are all human beings,

And and.

It's a little bit, a little bit kind of you see behind the scenes on the puppet show, you see who's holding the strings, and then the puppet show gets a lot less interesting when you see it, right, It's like when you find out how to do a magic trick. It was really petty and ugly and small, and there were egos involved, you know, Eisenhower speaking of speaking of World War Two, Eisenhower. Eisenhower's well known. It's well known that his great strength. I mean, he had a bunch

Eisenhower could manage.

The egos really really well. It is a well known party. He didn't have a huge one himself, so it gave him the ability to take, let's deal with this primum and that prima donna of this part of how it worked. All right, do a couple more of these before we get back to things. First, let's get somebody decent into your company. I know you're hiring, and I know you're frustrated.

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All right, before we do emails.

Stephen Miller spoke today in the press conference, and I think I'll play it in this entirety when I get back.

It was so good. Hang on allities.

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Your ask doctor Jesse questions for tomorrow all three hours dedicated to you and your questions. Email those into Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Gonna be a real good time on Friday. So Stephen Miller, he's been somebody close to Trump for some time.

I don't know him.

I've never met him, we've never talked, so I can't speak to him personally. But he's been doing a ton of TV and every time I've seen him, he comes across like somebody you really don't want to debate if you're some crazy lib And Steve Davan Miller was in the press conference today. This was a couple hours ago. Steven Miller was in the press conference today. And this is a little long. I think it's a minute thirty something like that. I'm actually gonna let it play because

Chris.

It is truely many of the people in this room for four years failed to cover the fact that Joe Biden was mentally incompetent and was not running the country. It is also true that many people in this room who have used this talking point that Elon is not elected, fail to understand how government works. So I'm glad for the opportunity for a brief civics lesson. A president is elected by the whole American people. He's the only official

Radical FBI reform, and FBI agents say they don't want to change, or Americans vote for radical reformat or energy policies, but EPA bureaucrats say they don't want to change. Or Americans vote to end DEI racist DEI policies, and lawyers of the Department of Justice say they don't want to change. What President Trump is doing is he is removing federal bureaucrats who are defying democracy. By failing to implement his lawful orders, which are the will of the whole American people.

That's pretty good. Pretty good. See some emails.

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I keep getting these emails about hair transplant surgery, and this is not very nice, she did say after she gave me the particulars on hair transplant surgery. PS On the don't marry a communist front, my husband has an identical twin brother who somehow managed to marry one. She's a real feminist obviously has issues with us workout freaks, and we recently found out she wants to see us dead. To say this is disturbing. As an understatement, be careful

Are you sure?

In the next breath you mentioned missiles and the events of war? What would stop Beijing from launching an ICBM, so on and so forth? Any further thoughts. His name is John.

It's a valid concern.

And I know I like to call myself the oracle, but that's just because I'm immature and arrogant and stupid.

I'm actually not one.

So I don't want to act like I know exactly how some future conflicts would go. But when I said it would be fought over there, it is, you know, the mutually assured destruction way of thinking of the nuclear age that we're in now. There's a lot of validity to that. Remember, nuclear weapons have been around for a while. We dropped two on Japan. That was the first anyone saw, and nobody's used them since. Think about that, Think how

Why.

Well, it comes back to the mutually assured destruction thing. Has China had a moment where they want to drop a nuke on DC? I'm sure Russia too, you bet have we had a moment where we want to go ahead and turn Moscow into vapor. Yep, I'm sure. But the countries who have that ability all understand that everyone and everything likely dies the second one person fires off that first one.

Now, I don't know if that eased.

Your mind at all, But when I said a Chinese conflict would likely be fought over there, it probably would be a nast the region or a fair And I have a hard time believing either power would use nuclear weapons unless their very existence was threatened. That seems to be at least how nations have operated so far. That seems to be the way of thinking in China, in Russia, here, everywhere else.

Hey, yeah, we can drop.

All the forty thousand pound bombs we want and cruise missiles, and we'll do all these drones, you name it, artillery. But look, even the Russians in Ukraine, they've threatened several times, they've not even used so much as a tactical nuclear weapon. The great powers seem to be under the understanding, if we do this, it has to be the last thing. It has to be the option of. If we don't

You can't throw.

That much money away like they have without consequence, right, So we have a real ugly situation here.

But anyway, I'm not saying.

A conflict is coming, but if a conflict was to come, it will likely be over there because that's the one who's trying to expand. Meaning we are currently not really trying to expand here. Even Trump's expansion plans in Greenland, you know, you haven't seen China get majorly involved in that just yet. So we're not trying to expand in

And if so?

When, all right, let's talk little immigration stuff.

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Remember if you miss any part of the show, you can download the whole thing on iHeart, Spotify iTunes. Okay, before I get to the illegal immigration talk, I have to confess something. I'm chickening out. I don't want to be a coward, but I told you I was gonna do something, and now I'm too scared.

You.

I was going to tell you who I think the twenty twenty eight Democrat nominee is going to be, and I.

Still feel like he might be.

But the more I think, I psyched myself out during the commercial break, and now I'm not so sure for a variety of reasons. So let's just talk about it. I'll just oh, I'll bear my soul for you here.

One.

It's very difficult, very very difficult to predict how the opposite party will act. It is it always is. They're in the opposite party for a reason. They don't think like you and I think they don't see the same things we see. It's very difficult. Look, I obviously joke about the Oracle stuff. I thought Eric Adams was going to be the Democrat nominee for president at one point. Dah, you're right, Chris, we don't talk about that.

Delete that. Look.

It's hard, but it's hard. It's a long shot when I made that call. But still, it's hard. Hard to predict this stuff. I I guess I try to look at it logically, and that's probably a mistake because oftentimes pos on all sides isn't necessarily logical. Let me just explain my reasoning before I get to the actual guy who I think might make a real, real run at it.

Democrats they're not going to.

Be able to get away completely from all the cultural Marxist stuff because that has become the power base of their party. Now they understand they have to adjust some language things. You saw the rear Admiral Buddha Jed saying this, No, he's not my prediction, but you saw him saying, ah, we kind of have to.

Change a little bit of that avenue described and it was a caricature of everything that's wrong with our ability both to cohere as a party and to reach to those who don't always agree with us.

And we cannot go on like that.

We cannot. I also think that we believe in the values that we care about for a reason, and this is not about abandoning those values. It's about making sure we're in touch with the first principles that animate them. What do we mean when we talk about diversity. Is it caring for people's different experiences and making sure no one's mistreated because of them, which I will always fight for. Or is it making people sit through a training that looks like something out of Portlandia.

Okay, trying to soften things up.

Now, they can't get completely away from their cultural Marxist bace, but they can do math, at least the high up Democrats. The street animals, most of them can't. But the high up Democrats can do math. And the math says. The math says, you must win Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Now, contrary to what we want to believe, just because Michigan, Pennsylvania in Wisconsin are in the middle of the country, we like to believe that everybody there kind of shares

You can't.

You can't do that with AOC. You have to find Look, why did Joe Biden work. I realized they stole the twenty twenty election, But why did he have a better shot at it than Bernie.

Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

Because as big of a lie as it was, that whole Scranton Joe, I'm from Pennsylvania. That sells with people. They want to know they can relate to you. You must if you're a Democrat. Yes, you know you have to win California, but California's given to you. You know you need to win Connecticut. You know you win it,

You must get there. So what do you do if you're Democrats? JB. Pritzker is the governor of Illinois.

Everyone in Illinois listening knows that already, but sometimes if you're around the country, you don't really put all these names together.

JB.

Pritzkers his name. You've seen him on television. He has And then if I sound jealous, it's because I am. He has a magnificent set of hair. He's overweight, but not not ridiculously overweight. And hear me out on this. I think that matters too. It's relatable because a lot of us are overweight. True, I'm a little overweight right now. I'm a well fat right now. You can't see it because I'm six ' eight it's all stretched out, but trust me, I'm a little fat right now. He's relatable.

Invoke the specter of Nazis lightly, but I know the history intimately. The seed that grew into a dictatorship in Europe a lifetime ago didn't arrive overnight. It started with everyday Germans mad about inflation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Trump's hitler. We got all that, I got it, but he speaks well. Don't and again, don't send me your hate mail from Illinois. I don't like Pritzker either. He's a fundraiser. I think I think we might have a dark horse candidate here. I was about to predict that he's going to be the nominee. But I'm so burned from my stupid Eric Adams prediction I can't now. Jewish producer Chris brought up a very good point,

What they said, First of all, there's a long list of Democrats Kamala Harris, a Gavin Newsom, a Gretchen Whitmer. The list goes on and on and on. You've named four or five people, where is their consensus. You've got to build consensus, and there is no consensus right now. If you pick a white man over Kamala Harris black women, I can tell you this, We're gonna walk away. We're gonna blow the party up.

Now.

I don't know that I would necessarily believe a threat like that. It's one threat from one person. Black women are the most reliable Democrat voting in the United States of America by a mile. I think it's like ninety eight percent reliable guaranteed. So I'm not saying that he can't get that. I realize that it's a difficult coalition to pull together. We still have a Democrat primary to come three and a half years from now. But don't

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