What is the Overton window and how to move it right

it again. We'll talk about that, We'll talk about the FBI, what's happening with all these illegals in Virginia, and somebody's getting arrested in the UK or going to prison in the UK, and it actually does apply to all of us. Never thought you'd care about those dirty Brits? Did you? All that offensive racist jokes about Puerto Rico? And so much more coming up tonight on the world famous Jesse

Kelly Show. I actually have to lead with something that has nothing to do with anything, but I did something last night. I know what I'm about to say is going to shock you. So if you're driving, do not drive off the road. If you're cooking, if you have a boiling water, hot things, be very very careful. This is going to be shocking. Okay, if you have a bad heart, please sit down. Last night I made a mistake.

I know what, Chris. I made a mistake. I teased something going into a break and then didn't deliver, certainly the first time that's ever happened on this show. My focus is just stay focused. I was talking talking about how we have to teach our kids to have conversations, and that I was doing something specific with my sons, and I told you I was gonna tell you about it in a second. Then we went to break. Completely lost my train of thought and went somewhere else entirely,

And that's my fault. That's my fault. Look, that's what happens when you listen to someone every day who is stupid. I can't I can't do anything about my lack of intelligence. There's nothing I can do about that. You get what you get. Don't go a fit. So here's what I do one day late. Here's what I do with my sons to try to teach them how to have a conversation. I was in Montana. We were up there for all the funeral stuff a couple weeks ago, and we were

over at one of my mom's neighbor's house. They had a big cookout. Oh, Chris, Cory, you guys would have died, Chris. They had beef and pork ribs, so you could. You would have been fine. But anyway, big smoke out, and they just wanted to have everyone over. Everyone, Hey, let's come together, let's let's let's just enjoy ourselves, have a good night. We ended up the guys and women separated, as often happens at a party because women talk about lay and boring things, and we didn't want to talk

about any of that stuff. So the dudes ended up separating, and my sons came over and they were standing there with the men, and they weren't saying anything. Very normal for teenage boys. You're not generally confident enough yet to jump in with the men. But I wanted them to begin engaging in conversation. So what I told them, and what I'm going to keep doing to them, something you can do maybe for your kids, is I told them a huge part of having a conversation is asking questions

of other people, even if you're not interested. I'm hardly ever interested, but you have to pretend. That's part of being an adult. So go over to the table full of women and don't come back to me until you know something about someone at that table you didn't know before. Go ask questions, very simple, very straightforward. I just wanted to pass that along because it was It was successful. You could tell they came back. I actually had made

them go back twice. They came back a little more puffed up than they were before they had done it. Nobody bit them. They weren't shamed into anything. Bring me back a piece of information about someone in that group. You got a pony up, and go do it. I know it sounds crazy. There I delivered on the teas. Let's move on to other topics, shall we? Oh? Before I forget, Ali Besstucky is coming on next hour. She has something I want to talk I want to talk

a lot about. That's something I do talk a lot about. Toxic empathy. How the communists use your values against you. She wrote actually a book about it that's really good, really really good for young women. I'm gonna I'm gonna push it pretty hard. And no, I don't get anything from this. It's just when I read it, it is a It is an instruction manual for young women on how they take your wonderful, motherly, empathetic name nature and they turn you into a filthy communist. So anyway, hang

on for that. Now, let's discuss something. Last night I went off about something, as I often do when it comes to illegal immigration and mass deportation. I'm not going to go over everything I said. I was talking about how we have to harden ourselves. We have to be prepared because if we are not, then Trump is going to falter again like you did the first time. We have to be He has to feel like everyone's behind him. Otherwise he's going to falter and then we can't We

can't win. Mass deportation must happen. Must happen. So let's have a discussion about negotiations. Because we got all kinds of emails about that talk. Jesse, I'm all for it to pour them all, Jesse, sounds good. That was a bunch of them. But we also got a bunch of emails along these lines, and in fact, this echoes what I hear and see from many of my fellow political post friends, many politicians on the right. Maybe even you said it yourself. You just didn't send me an email.

I saw a ton of this, Jesse, Slow down on deporting everyone now, not the women and kids. Jesse. Let's at least start with the criminals. Hold on, let's start with the criminals. Let's begin with the just MS thirteen trendy Araguba. That needs to be first. You know what the Overton window is. We've discussed it before on the show Overton Window. You can look it up yourself. Overton Window. What's it really about? What's the essence of the Overton window?

The essence of the Overton window is politicians. We want them to be leaders. I want them to be leaders. I'm guilty of this. We want our presidents to be leaders. We want senators, how a congressman, mayors, whatever. We want them to be leaders. But they are, in general not leaders. They are followers. They will follow public opinion. This is not unique to American politicians. In case you're sitting there saying, yeah, all our guys suck. Politicians throughout history follow public opinion.

Very few leaders. They're followers, and don't think it's as unique to just people in a constitutional republic or something where the people get to say in this monarchs. Monarchs have historically kind of followed public opinion, because even if you're an all powerful king and you rule and your word is the law, even if that's the case, if too many people under your rule dislike what you're doing, you're not going to be a monarch for very long.

The people in general have the power. The idea behind an Overton window, it is shifting the public opinion your direction. And in so doing, if you you shift the public opinion in your direction, if you move that window, picture picture a timeline. Okay, you know what a timeline looks like, just a horizontal line going from you know, east to west, left, right, whatever horizontal line. Now picture a little window, a little square, and that's the only part of the timeline you can see.

And that's public opinion. What we've done consistently in this country for as long as I've been alive, what we've done is we've only moved that window left. Sometimes it's moved rapidly to the left, sometimes it moves a little bit to the left, but only left. The Overton window has never, ever, ever, not one time in my lifetime, moved to the right in any significant way. In fact, it's a good spending is actually a great example of this.

Spending is a great example. They're now spending two trillion dollars a year more than they take in. Janet Yellen herself is saying, if we don't find a way to reduce the deficit, we are in deep, deep deep doo doo as a country. And yet there has never been ever in my forty three years a spending cut, not one time. There have been slight reductions in the future, spending increases. Hey we're spending one hundred thousand this year. We're gonna spend one hundred and fifty next year. Oh wait,

never mind, we'll spend one hundred and forty. And those have always been celebrated by the right. Whoa look at these spending cuts? Fiscal conservatism, baby. Setting aside your anger at that, what's that tell you? That window on government spending, that Overton window along that line left left left only left, only left at all times. So we have to change that, don't we? You and I, all of us, to people, all of us, It's up to all of us. We must change that. The window of many things, not just

spending many things, has to begin moving right. How do we do that? What can we do for that? We're specifically talking about immigration here. We're all going next, but this is going to apply to many issues. Well, let's discuss that next. Get the cure for rhinos. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Tuesday, reminding you you can email the show and you should. We adore your emails Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. I actually lied.

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Back to what we were discussing, the Overton window, shifting public opinion in your direction. It's hard, it's uncomfortable. I need to get that right out of the gates. I need you to understand that, right out of the gates. There is no zero There is no polite, nice way to shift the Overton window. Why, well, what is the Overton window? Really? It's what society has decided is acceptable when it comes to anything. It doesn't matter pick your issue, spending, taxes,

abortion of immigration, doesn't matter. Society as a whole has decided these are the parameters, these are the rules. So in order to shift it, it means you're essentially breaking through a wall or a fence in one direction or the other. Maybe you see left wing activism oftentimes and you think to yourself, that's gross. I hate that. Who would do that? Why are they doing that? What's a good example. The climate nutters, the greeny climate nutters who

believe in man made climate change. You me, we look at them doing things like they'll walk into a museum and they'll glue their butts to a van goh painting or something crazy like that. Or they'll they'll lay down on a highway and screw up a major highway. Everyone's lake for work, and people on the right maybe you've said this, will say, why are they doing this? This doesn't move anyone to their cause. No, I don't think the people waiting in traffic are going to look at

these people and become climate activists. But there is a purpose, a very very focused purpose to this crazy left wing activism. Good point, Chris, abortion activists. This applies to the LGBTQ air Force people. Why are they worrying leather chaps and pink boas on the street and dancing in front of kids. Don't they know it's gross? Don't they know this turns people off. They are shattering walls, moving things to the left.

It can't be done nicely, It can't be done comfortably, because you're taking people's value system and you're breaking it. You're breaking things, and you and me will have to break things the other direction. No, please don't put on leather chaps. I beg you, and please don't break the law. I'm not asking you to break the law. But shifting public opinion, shifting the window cannot be done nicely or politely. It's not possible. So let's go back to our talk

about immigration. I went off last night about mass deportation, concerned that they will get to you, that they will play on your emotions and they'll show crying kids, and you will falter. I'm very concerned that they're going to get to Trump. Remember they did it to him last time. He had the wonderful child separation policy at the border. He knew exactly what needed to be done, he was doing it. Democrats ran an up at the border, AOC's down there crying kids in cages, kids in cages. I

think that lasted three weeks. Boom. Trump administration backed off it, child separation over. I'm very, very concerned the right will falter. And please get this. Let's say the numbers fifteen million in the last three and a half years. Probably short, but let's say the numbers fifteen million. Let's say, and this is probably under selling it. Those fifteen million are all going to have two kids. Obviously, some won't have

any kids, some will have a dozen kids. A lot of this comes from Latin America, so those are traditionally bigger families. Let's just say, for the sake of argument to kids, well, I did go to community college, but I can do the math. That means eighteen years from now, because of this country's insane, suicidal birthright citizenship laws, eighteen years from now, we will have thirty million new naturalized citizens who will be voting in elections eighteen years from now.

Without mass deportation. Eighteen years from now, Republicans will never win another national election. And eighteen years is not far away, right, not far away. We will never win another election without mass deportation. It's not possible. So back to what we were just discussing, do you want to stop that? I'm sure you're saying yes, I want to stop that. I have sons. I have teenage sons. They have lord willing a lot longer than eighteen years left on this planet.

In eighteen years, hopefully I'll be a grandpa. I'llbe at kids t ball games. I don't want to lose my country in eighteen years, universal Democrat rule top to bottom. They're all communists. Now, can you imagine the horrors these filthy animals will rain down on this country if they have no checks on their power and thirty million new Democrats in eighteen years. It's not a Maybe it's coming

without mass deportation, but we have to stop it. And our only opportunity to stop it is getting Trump elected, getting a House and Senate, and praying the low TGOP finally has the guts to stand up to pub pressure and get it done. But we, you and me can lessen that public pressure. Let's discuss how this may be hard to hear. You're going to need some chalk, You're going to need testosterone. If we are going to be the low TGP, then just hand them the keys. Now,

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Remember if you miss any part of the show, you can download the whole thing on iHeart, on Spotify, on iTunes. Talking about Overton windows, mass deportation, illegal immigration enforcement. So we got a bunch of emails, a bunch of people agreed. A bunch of people said, let's just start with the criminals. Don't go too far. Start with the criminals. Hey, just the men. Start with the criminals. So let's just do this. Let's talk about a business deal. I have started Jesse

Kelly's Ice Machines. It's a wonderful, lucrative company. I didn't actually start it. Remember this is just an analogy, but Jesse Kelly's Ice Machines because there are so many millions and millions, probably billions of people who want to be like me and own a countertop ice machine with unlimited ice. And it's gotten to a point where I'm tired of it. I'm ready to sell the company. It's too many headaches, and there's there's another business that wants to absorb it.

We'll call this business Chris Inc. Chris Inc. Understandably does not want to pay me anything for it, looking for a bargain basement deal. They don't want to pay me anything for it. But I have decided, before I walk into a negotiation with Chris Inc. That I have to get a million dollars for Jesse's ice makers. A million dollars is what I need. I know. Look, we all know Chris Inc. Is going to offer fifty cents. I need a million dollars. Now, let me ask you something.

When I walk into that negotiation, do I sit down at the table and say I need a million dollars? Is that my starting position? If that's what I need to get, Is that what I start with? Well, no, anyone who knows anything about negotiation knows that's insane. If I know Chris is going to try to get the price down, and we all know Chris is going to try to get the price down, I don't walk in asking for a million dollars if that's what I need.

I walk in asking for five million dollars, knowing that Chris is going to counter with something way, way, way less than that. Now, let's go back to our discussion about immigration. If you wrote me one of these emails, or left a voicemail, or said something to me, Jesse, let's not sound bad. Let's just start with the men. Let's just start with the criminals. Do you understand that you are undercutting your own negotiation position before we've even

won the election. That's why the Overton window only shifts to the left. Things exactly like that. No, that's not how you shift the Overton window. How do you shift the Overton window on immigration? You don't do it sounding nice. You don't do it appealing to what the population wants

to hear. That doesn't shift public opinion on anything. You take the hardest, right, most extreme position on the issue, understanding that it will get watered down somewhat, but in the end, maybe, just maybe, fingers crossed, things will move in your direction. So you don't start out saying, hey, let's just start with the man. You don't start out with that. You start out with this, Deport everyone and men, women and children. I want swat teams running into the schools,

scooping up everybody who doesn't have legal immigration papers. And I want a mote at the border. I want a hundred foot wall, I want a minefield, and machine gun nets, and I want people turned away at gunpoint. You can sit there and recoil in horror and say, Jesse, that's not who we are. Jesse gets too far, and maybe

you're even correct about that. But guess what. I have staked out a negotiating position that is good, that is right, even if I don't get my mote, if I don't get my swat teams in schools, if I don't get my minefield. In the end, if I take the extreme position, maybe, just maybe I will break down that wall and for the first time in my forty three years of existence, that over to the window will move my way. That's how we have to politic and it's not up to me.

It's up to all of us. It is up to you and me and your neighbor, and it's up to all of us. And remember, politicians will follow us. They will follow us. I had people emailing in saying, Jesse, Trump's not gonna do it. He's a cave. Last time Trump's gonna cave. He's not gonna do it. And maybe you're right, and you know we'll be here screaming if that happens. But I promise you cross my heart and hope to die. Trump will cave if we do. If public opinion is well, I mean, I know, we don't

want to look harsh. We can't. What about the next election we have the midterms? We can we can't look mean If that's what public opinion starts to be on the GOP, Trump will falter. I promise you he will. If the public all of us remain strong, maybe just maybe he will remain strong, they will follow us. That's a huge part of the Overton window understanding that politicians are followers and they will follow the people. Will we

remain strong? If you're already giving up your negotiating position, well, Chris inc is going to underpay you for those ice makers. I promise you that. What Chris, how do you know I wasn't even talking about you. Maybe it was maybe it was a different Chris. Why do you always personalize these things? It's not it's not on you. Let's get to some voicemails, shall we? Just one or two of them?

I'm not Clay Martin. That's not that. But I am friends with so many of these guys, Seals and Green Berets and Air Force pjs and all these guys. Here's my problem. They all have the best of the best, and that's what I want. I don't want bottom barrel NVGs. I realize you can get mbgs for less than four thousand dollars or three thousand dollars. I realize that, but I see they have and maybe it's peer pressure. Maybe

I don't know what it is. I don't want to show up at a shoot and have the crappiest NVGs there. At the same time, I don't. I can't bring myself to spend four thousand dollars on something, Chris, right, I mean, of course Chris is with me. Everyone knew Chris would be with me. I can't bring myself to drop that kind of money on something. And I know I should. I know I should. That is so much money. Oh and another thing, And you're gonna say I'm making excuses. James,

my oldest is about to turn sixteen. He turned sixteen. When's his birthday? November seventh. I'm gonna have to start working on a car for him of some kind. What, Chris, what you can save money by buying a kit? Did you CC suggest I put together my own mvgs? Chris, Okay, I'm not ten years old putting together legos. I wouldn't know what I was doing anyway, No, Chris, no, no, see, this is never mind. I shouldn't even brought it up in front of Chris. Never mind. We're moving on. Let's

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my massive hands. The wife is mean. And you know how I confided in you. I should never have done this, that my knee gets stiff now whenever I lift, whenever I fly, it's not I'm not in pain. Whenever I go on a ruck, it just gets super super stiff. And they have these compression nie sleeves out there that help with blood flow and things like that as you get older. And I made the terrible mistake of confiding

in you that I got some knee sleeves. I also made the mistake of telling my wife, and then I thought to myself, you know what, I bet she's forgotten about it. So I'll just try to get them off the front porch, because I had them delivered. I'll try to get them off the front porch before she sees them. I'm on a phone call today. It was a work call. It is a big bunch of suit stuff. It was all good stuff. Don't worry, but I'm on a work call today. I lost track of tracking the package. Ding dong.

There's a ring at the door bell and I'm on a call. I'm on speakerphone. And who do you think rounds the corner with a big, old fat smirk on her face, but Aubrey. She walked right up to me on that work call. She didn't even have to say word. I was on a call, smirking and smiling as she handed me my knees sleeves. And you know what, that's not very nice. It's not very nice at all. Now, what is nice is the fact that I I'm an oracle. You see. Let's let's walk down memory lane, shall we.

We'll just do this. We'll do this chronologically. I told you the story. I think it was last week. I told you the story about getting hired briefly at HLN. It was a CNN knockoff kind of thing. I don't even know if it's still around. And they told me they were gonna fly me up there. They flew me up there to debate some dirty comy and I beat the living crap out of him on the air, and the producer pulled me aside after and said, that's amazing.

We want you on here permanent, permanently. Oh my gosh, it was so funny and great all that crap, and then ghosted me. Never heard it from him again, and I found out later on it was because I did so well the communist silos himself the world of make believe. We talk about it all the time, silos himself in a world of make believe, and good guests on communist networks break down those walls, good guests for us, for

our side, and therefore they don't last long. And maybe you remember last week, Possibly you do remember when I said this about my friend Ryan Gurdusky. I love watching Ryan Gerdusky's star rise. I'm not surprised in the least that I'm about one hundred percent sure he's going to get fired from being on these CNN panels if he keeps abusing all these crazy lives the way he's been. That was Jesse the Oracle, Kelly, don't shake your head, Chris.

Last week, Ryan was on one of these eight thousand person panels on CNN last night and he was debating this piece of trash Mehdi Hassan, and Mehdi Hassan had just gotten done, of course, calling you a Nazi, me a Nazi, everyone's a Nazi, everyone who votes for Trump Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, which is like the worst thing you can say to someone. And Ryan Gerdusky fires back a little jab here was you.

But when you cross the line of a complete lack of civility, that is not going to happen here on this show.

a journalist. It's journalist, Jesse. There's just no one better. We love Jesse He's the best. Jesse, please kiss my baby. YESI Jesse, Jesse, Jesse, Jesse, Hey Oracle. I live in East Tennessee. I've been voting for forty years. Today I voted early for the first time. I'm writing to let you know this was the first time I saw a more accurate reputation representation of our population. That was a lot of big words, nailed it, young and o, old,

black and white. Plus the mood of the crowd was more upbeat and joyful than I've ever seen at a polling location. That's how you know they weren't communists. For the last few years, the news has made me depressed and worried about my grandkid's future. But after seeing these people today, I feel that maybe we will wake up in time to turn things around. God bless you and your family. I hear this story so much at polling locations, at places where people are voting early. One, there are

lots of them. Two. People are happy, motivated, hopeful, joyful. There's a lot to feel good about right now. We can take a step back, and we do and talk about the huge problems we have and the huge problems that are still to come. But I'm really feeling like there might be an awakening happening in this country. And I know you don't have to email me. All the problems is a potential problem, I get it. I'm feeling hopeful. This has been a podcast from wor