Guerilla Warfare

Jesse Kelly Show. Now, Pam Bondi, our Attorney General. Pam Bondi, she was at Sea pack and she was on stage and she was asked the question. She said this, we are our students deserve to be safe. First of all.

rights belong to American citizens. You have no rights. You don't get to jaywalk, you don't get to speed, you don't get to go protest in front of city Hall if you are not a citizen of the United States of America. Yet the United States of America, out of the goodness of its heart, has allowed you to come here on a work visa student. I don't care what the situation is unless it says United States citizen on your papers. You better be the most quiet, hardworking model

citizen anyone has ever seen. Otherwise gone gone. And I'm going to keep pressing this point because we have come a long, long way, but we still fall short. We still fall into this old mentality and the right is guilty of this too, where we have so much, we are so blessed, and we just kind of feel like everybody should get to just everyone should get to come here, and I mean everyone should just get to enjoy it, and everyone should we should be nice to everybody. That's

a ridiculous way to run the country. It is a privilege to visit the United States of America. And I'm not saying we shouldn't welcome people. I'm not saying we shouldn't have visas. I'm not saying that at all. I'm really not. I'm not I'm not the barbarian I am oftentimes made out to be. I I'm not Chris. I just don't think. I think, well, if you threaten people, you should leave. I agree with what she said, No problem with what she said. That's not near far enough.

If you protest, you're gone. Gone. If you mildly inconvenience us in any way, by gone. That's how it should be. One more word on this before we get back to the ask doctor Jesse questions, well, not on this, on something else. We are all we're all used to certain things, and we all get conditioned to certain things and human beings everybody, men, women, everybody. If they've been spoiled or coddled for too long, it can be very, very, very

difficult to break that mentality. People joke about, you know, homeschool kids being weird and stuff like that. You know who I've found to be some of the most difficult people to deal with in life. It's not universal. So don't email me whining. It's not me. I don't care about your whining. Single kids, single children, children who grew up without a sibling. Why because mom and dad don't have to They don't have to share the attention, they

don't have to share the love. And if they're not careful, they can completely overwhelm in helicopter and just spoil the one kid so much that you can grow up with the sense of entitlement that everything revolves around you. I've seen it multiple times in my life. You grow up because you are If the parents aren't careful, you become the son of the solar system. In that family, everything is around Johnny. There's nobody else, just Johnny's school, Johnny's practiced,

Johnny's birthday, Johnny Dave, Johnny dat Johnny da Well. Johnny ends up a twenty twenty five year old man and he walks into a work environment or a sports environment or something, and he just that's how he's been conditioned. He's been conditioned that everything's about him. Like my kids, I've only got two, to my regret, you know, I wish we had four or five, but whatever we got two they still compete. You can see it. They get

along great. They're unbelievable for boys. They're wonderful boys, and they are wonderful to each other. But even they they'll compete for our attention and affection. And it's obvious, especially when I get home. When I walked in the door. It happened to me last night. I walked in the door a but abb had made the boys some kind of pasta things, some shrimp pasta, and the boys reading.

And I got home, well, Dad got home. They want my attention, both of them, and they I have to keep telling them, not hold on you at your brother's tern, hold on stop, wait you stop. You've already made ten points. I'm gonna talk to your brother about his ten points. Then we'll go back to your ten points. You know, my youngest wants to talk to me about video games, my oldest ones to talk to me about politics. That's fine. I love it all. But they have to compete with

each other. Now that's healthy, because even on a small level, you learn the world doesn't revolve around you. Vladimir Zelenski has been conditioned for three years now to be the bell of the ball everywhere he goes. Everywhere he goes world leaders, including American politicians, Democrat and Republican, they want their pictures taken with him. Hey, sign my autograph. It's

all over Europe. He has been the political celebrity on the planet for three years, and he's been held up as such, this deity that he has simply gotten used to, for lack of a better word, demanding things from everybody. Now we need another fifty million here, No, you better send this this. I mean, remember, this is a begger nation. They don't have the munitions, they don't have anything to

fight off Russia. He needs all, but he's been used to just saying no, give me that, Nope, we need this, Nope, I gotta have that. He's gotten used to it, and I'm floored that he could be this lost. But he was just conditioned. He thought he was going to be able to treat the Trump and finish the exact same way. Listen to this. Marco Rubio sat down with Katherine Herridge is her name. I believe she's a wonderful reporter and I'm screwing up her dag on named Kathin Herridge. She's

a wonderful reporter. Listen to this.

think that's actually a security guarantee. If we're your partner in an important economic endeavor, we get to get paid back some of the money the taxpayers have given close to two hundred billion dollars. And it also now we have a vested interest in the security of Ukraine. And he said, sure, we want to do this deal. It makes all the sense in the world. The only thing is I need to run it through my legislative process. They have to approve it. I read two days later

that Zelenski's out there saying I rejected the deal. I told them no way, that we're not doing that. Well, that's not what happened in that meeting. So you start to get upset by somebody. We're trying to help these guys at One of the points that asid It made in his messaging is not that we don't care about Ukraine, but Ukraine is on another continent. You know, it doesn't directly impact the daily lives of Americans. We care about it because it has implications for our allies and ultimately

for the world. There should be some level of gratitude here about this. And when you don't see it, and you see him out there accusing the president of living in a world of disinformation, that's highly, very counterproductive.

had a buddy in high school. His family. I won't go into the details of it, but they came into They were the lower middle class, you know, just you're struggling to get by like most people, and they came into millions of dollars. I think it was something. Uh, I think it was forty or fifty million dollars for all I know. Chris, it was crazy overnight over Chris. Chris asked if they had an unmarried daughter. You straighten up, sir. Overnight they went from being lower middle class. You buy

whatever you want. I'm fifty million dollars. That's unlimited money, at least for in my mind. Unlimited. You're never gonna work again. It's unlimited money. He lost every friend he had in about a year. It just screwed him up big time. Brand new, fancy car brand. Of course, the girls got a lot prettier that were that they were after his attention, but just lost his frigging mind. You've seen it before. We've all seen it before. All right. Now,

here's an interesting question someone wants to know. And this is going to be a heavy, heavy topic. I would imagine to get ready for that. But it's historical. Don't worry. The Meli massacre in Vietnam. How does something like that happen? How is it possible? Let's talk a little history in psychology. Yes, it is the Jesse Kelly Show. Reminding you if you miss any part of the show, you can download the

whole thing on iHeart, Spotify, iTunes. I got this email too before I get to me likes that'll be heavy Jesse. The subject of this one is new guy on my station. A while back, I heard this wild guy on the radio I never heard before communism miss and communism that. I told myself, I'm not listening to this jerk. Ever, next time I tuned into my daily talk show, it was you again. What happened to my usual talk show hosts I listened to daily for fifteen years. I guess

you got his spot. I wasn't very happy about it. Off and on, I tune in just to make sure it wasn't a temporary thing. The more I heard you, the more I began to enjoy your show. Now I listened daily and only miss when the spurs preempt your time. After hearing so much about your tiny hands, I was wondering if you could forward a picture of them. Keep up thing. Great word, Hey, listen well, and thank you too.

I understand that the show is growing, and I'm the most blessed man in the world, and I don't deserve this job. I don't deserve to have you listen to me. I'm just a more on from community college that got really really lucky. But because of the show growing, I also understand that sometimes the show you were listening to at whatever this time slot is, whatever station it is, Sometimes the show you loved it goes away. And remember a long time before I did radio, I was working

construction out of town listening to radio. I know exactly what that's like. When you turn it on and you're ready for your whatever show it is, and it's some other guy because the station switched out or something like that. It freaking sucks. It does. And if whoever the guy is that I bounced here or whatever station you're talking about, if I bounced your favorite guy, that's just too freaking bad. Supreme Sultan Jesse, I've been listening to a podcast about

the Meli massacre in Vietnam. It reminds me of what armies used to do when conquering a city, rape and kill as much of the population before selling the rest in the slavery. What I cannot wrap my head around is how a man can convince himself that what he's doing is okay when he's shooting and beating women and children and elderly to death. Do you have any insight on how a man might put himself into a position that he might consider it acceptable. Can you also play

the Freedo Bandido song. I'll tell you what if I remember, I will play the Freedo Bandido song at the end of this because this might get a little bit heavy, and I haven't really put a lot of thought into this. So we're going to walk through this live here. So let's let's talk about this because this this is a question I've asked myself before. How could you get to that place? So first, let's talk about the Meli massacred very very briefly. In Vietnam, people who are old enough

will remember, young people may not. In Vietnam, there were all kinds of horrible things happening. But one of the things that we really hated about ourselves was what we did. In the village of Meli. A bunch of guys, Our guys did exactly what this guy talked about, shooting, burning, beating, raping women and kids. It was a village Meli massacre. It's a famous, famous story. The background on it is important. It's gonna sound like I'm giving excuses. I'm not. I'm

giving reasons. I'm explaining something. Guerrilla warfare is awful. All warfare is awful. I don't want to act like it's it's somehow worse. But the situation, it's played out a million times throughout history, it's playing out today. It plays out a million times where you will have a stronger military power. They have more bombs, bullets, planes, men, they're just a stronger military power. They are taking on the weaker power. Maybe they are invading, conquering, they're taking on

the weaker power. Well, the weaker power. Even if they attempt to take us on, you know, Mono Imano will quickly realize you can't do that. This happened in Vietnam when we especially in South Vietnam. Remember the North Vietnam. North Vietnam was more the NVA, the regular North Vietnamese Army, and we usually beat them up pretty bad too. But in South Vietnam it was an insurgent guerrilla force known

as the Viet Cong. That's how we would know them, the VC, the Viet com victor Charlie, whatever, where do you want to put on it. But they decided right when we got there that they were going to try to take us on. Screw these Americans, let's go have it out with them, and we just beat the living crap out of them. It wasn't even close. If they would come out, they would march out. It only happened

once or twice. They marched out for some you know, set piece, little battle, take on a platoon, take on a company, and American firepower, American marksmanship training. We just slaughtered them, absolutely slaughtered them. Well, these people are not chumps. Remember, these are the people who had very recently cast the French, a modern military power, out of their country. These people

understood how to fight. They were not They may not have had our technology and things like that, but they knew, they absolutely knew how to fight. And they figured out, okay, we're not Look, we're not going to just have a battle with the Americans and win. We're all gonna lose. So we have to switch and turn it into a gorilla war. Well what is that? Well, you don't attack what is strong. Ever, you attack what is weak. So you don't go attack a battalion of marines. That's a

good way to die. You wait until you can find a platoon twenty or thirty marines. You wait until you can find a platoon, and even then maybe you'll have twenty thirty guys. What do you do? You ambush them, kill as many as you can, and then boogie out. You get out. Don't sit there and wait forever. Buog you out, Get into the jungle. Don't die today. Kill as many of them as you can. Don't die today. That's one of the ways. Shoot, I'm up against the

break here. That's one of the ways. We'll talk a bit more about gorilla war and the Meli massacre and things like that, because it's a fascinating topic and an uncomfortable topic. But that's part of why I love it. After all, it's Friday. We do whatever we want here on Friday. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Friday. A wonderful ass doctor Jesse Friday. Remember you can email us Jesse at I see kellyshow dot com. So we're actually not talking about politics right now. We're talking about war.

This is about Vietnam, the Meli massacre. The question was how can a man convince himself he's doing something okay by doing something barbaric, because it's happened many times. So we're just giving a little background here on guerrilla war. We get to Vietnam, we beat up all of them in direct contact, and they quickly figure out, especially in South Vietnam with the Viet Cong, we have to go to goerrilla style war. So it's not just ambushes. When

it comes to gorilla style war, it's booby traps. It's little things like that. Now I say little things, it's anything but a little thing. But when you are there and you're ready to fight, let's say you're a young soldier, because this was an army unit. But let's say you're a young soldier. You're a brave young soldier. You're there with your buddies, you have your weapon, you're ready to serve your country, and you're ready to fight. You're afraid.

You don't want to get shot, you don't want to die, but you will die for your friends, and you're ready to fight if that's what you have to do. You're ready to fight. But what if what if you never really got to meaning you die, your friends die, but you don't ever get to fight. So you're walking out on patrol. You're walking by a village in a particular area. You're on a path close to the village. You can see the village, and your buddy right in front of

you steps on a booby trap. Boom legs, both of them blown off. He's laying on the ground. You're attaching a tourniquet to your buddy's legs as he's calling for his mom. What's that doue to your mind? And you look up. The village is one hundred yards away, and they're all looking at you. Do you think in your mind they knew that booby trap was there? Do you think in your mind the guy who set the booby trap is one of the quote villagers looking at you

right now. Well, of course, of course, and this stuff happened all the time. The most horrible, horrible booby traps you can imagine pungee sticks, you know what those are, the sharpened wood sticks. They would put poop on them, because if you got one in your foot, they would put a pit or a leg there, or a pit of some kind. They put the sticks in there and you fall into it. Ooh, ouch, you have a punge stick through your foot. Congratulations. You're also gonna get gangreen

almost right away because they put poop on it. It's going to get infected. Now your leg's chopped off. Oh. Your other buddy right in front of you, he had a little glass bomb blow up and it blinded him. He'll never see again, these are things happening. To imagine, imagine this is not a one off. Day after day after day after day, you are being assaulted and abused, assaulted in abuse. But it's not just that you're assaulted and abused. You are being assaulted and abused by people

who live in that village. And you're being assaulted and abused, and you can't shoot back because there's no one shooting at you. It's a booby trap, it's a sniper shot. You never see happened all the time in Vietnam. You're ready to have a battle. Let's have a battle, except you don't get to have a battle. Pal shot rings out and you're cleaning your buddy's face off of your camo, day after day after day, and you are only taking hits, taking hits, taking hits with no recourse. Now you know,

because that's how it was. You know. The people with the bombs and the bullets and the mines and the pungee sticks, they're in that village. They are that's where they worked. That's how the Viet Cong operated. They worked in that village. They farmed during the day. Go grab a rifle with five rounds. At some point in time in the evening, go try to take out a soldier at night and go right back and sleep in there.

We would go into these villages and we would find weapons, cashes, food, cash is because they were central hubs for how the Viet Cong operated in South Vietnam. I know this sounds like I'm making an excuse. I'm trying to explain how you can get there psychologically when your blood is up in combat? Have you ever heard that saying before your blood is up? You ever get your blood up? Have you ever been in you ever been in a fight? Forget about combat? You ever been in a fistfight? Or

it's seen? What are your buddies get in a fistfight? You know, when you're in a fistfight and you get to the point where you're trying to break it up. Why is it that you should grab your buddy instead of grabbing their guy. Because your buddy, when his adrenaline is up, your blood up, adrenaline up, whatever word you want to put on it, he needs to see a friendly face stopping him because he's gonna swing at everybody and everything at that point in time, so he needs

to see your face. Don't go grab the other guy, You're just gonna get socked in the mouth because his blood's up too. When your blood is up, your anger, you're adrenaline is pumping. Oftentimes, well it's not oftentimes, it's a historical fact. Guys can't control themselves. It gets even worse when you're around other guys in the exact state of the state of mind. Remember, there's a book, I think it was Malcolm Gladwell who wrote it, called The Wisdom of Crowds. You don't have to read the book,

but you've seen mobs do insane, stupid things. Uh, the Eagles just won the Super Bowl. I saw a video online of a bunch of people who stole police horses. They were riding it up the road. Another couple of guys. All this is on camera. All this is under the lights. These people were all going to jail. Other people are tearing down traffic lights, beating up cars. How in the world you look at that, and I look at that, and you think you moron. Not only are you trashing

things and committing crimes, you're doing it on camera. Everyone's putting it on Instagram. You're going to jail. So how could you be that dumb? The crowd's doing it. The crowd whips you up into a frenzy and you don't think anymore. So one day you've had enough and if the right buttons are puss are pushed and the leadership isn't there to restrain the men. That was really one of the main stories about the me Eli massacre. You know, that's one of the main roles of officers in the military.

There's two separate kind of things. There's enlisted guys and then there are officers. The officers are in command. The officers in charge. One of the main roles of an officer in the military is restraining men to ensure they don't push things too far. Well, there were weak officers that day. This was a unit that had been through all the hell I described, with the booby traps and the snipers and everything else, all the hell I described.

They had been through all of it, day after day after day of the booby traps and the sniping and the death of them. And you get yourself into a toxic mix and you find what you think is the village responsible for the fact that your buddy doesn't have hands anymore. And that's how you get there. Now, you ask me to try to explain how you could convince yourself that hurting a woman or a child is okay. I don't know. I've never been there, even in combat.

I've never been there, and I didn't see any of my buddies there. Ever. We were dead set on protecting women and children. I didn't see. Now it's happened. I'm not naive, but I never saw any of that. In fact, if you hurt and those dirty Iraqis did a couple of them, if you hurt women or children, we're going to hurt you bad. Bad that I saw too. So I never got I never got to that point in my life. But I also don't want to act like

I'm above at all, and I never could. I didn't fight a Vietnam war, I thought in Iraq is not even close to being at that level or that kind of thing. But that's how it happens, man, That's how it happens. I don't know that I explained it to you. I hope, I hope maybe have a little bit more understanding. I hope I have a little bit more understanding. Forget about that. Let's get back and talk a little bit

about some politics, shall we. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Friday, And you're right, that song is way too long. It look, it always applies unless the song is Freebird. There's really not a six seven eight nine minute song. That song you just played, Joe Walsh, that's a great song for the two or three minutes it's supposed to be a song. And then I don't

know what you want me to tell you. You musicians, the drugs take over and you think someone just wants to hear you bang on the guitars for seven minutes at a Time's awful. It's absolutely awful. You know what else was awful? I watched that hockey game last night. That's like I told you I was going to with America taking on Canada. P No, freedom is not free, and we lost. I stayed up until ten thirty last night,

like some kind of party animal. What Chris? I stayed up till ten thirty last night because the game and into overtime and we lost to the filthy comy Canadians. What Chris, Chris? Why do I care that we had more goals over two games? We lost the championship? What kind of childish participation? Participation trophy? Way? Is that to look at anything. We lost the championship. What, No, it's

not an American win, Chris, it's an American loss. And we lost to our mortal enemy, Canada, Jesse, Just to be clear, Just to be clear, though, your take on the war in Ukraine is disgusting. Since you were in the quote military, which I doubt now, since you're willing to just bow down to Russia, enjoy your choice. You're a joke. You can't debate, and if you not, and if not, prove it. That was all one sentence, So I tried to read it as if he wrote it. First.

Remember this, I was not in the military. I was in the Marines. Okay, that's one. Two. How would you like it to end? I always asked this to people, How do you think it can end? It's been going on for three years. Russia has bit and hole and held the territory they want to hold for the most part. That's two. Three. Who's bowing down to Russia again? I'll ask the question that you should ask everybody who yells at you about this whole thing. Which part of the

peace deal do you not agree with? It's a great question to ask, because there's no peace deeal none. No one's bound down to anybody. There's no peace deal. We are at the very beginning of negotiations. America is mediating it. We are talking to Ukraine, we are talking to Russia. We're figuring out what works for you, what works for you. Wars end and they don't always end with the one

you hate losing. Please stop watching Marvel movies. I'm look, I don't watch Disney movies anymore, but I watched all the Marvel movies with my kids when they were coming up, every one of them, and I enjoyed them too. I love watching Captain America. I get it. But for people like you, you need to stop watching them because what they've done is they've twisted your infantile brain into believing that in the end, the good guy wins and the bad guy loses every single time. That's not how life works.

The Russian military is bigger, stronger, better equipped than the Ukrainian military. They have bitten. They have taken territory inside of what is currently Ukraine after two hundred billion in American money and god knows how many Ukrainian lives. At the end of all this, Russia's still there. The Ukrainian cities are empty, and so many Ukrainian men have died and been conscripted that they're now murdering the draft officers

who go around and try to draft them again. Yet, you keyboard warrior dork, who doesn't have to die, who doesn't have to do any of this stuff, you want it to go on without end. Why. I'm gonna explain why. And this is gonna hurt, but I want you to hear me here. I'm gonna explain why you want it to go on without end because you get self validation from other people's sacrifice. There's a lot of this. It's

a very human emotion. People who don't have to bleed, and who don't have to die, and who aren't really doing anything significant with their lives, they get something. They get a feeling of moral superiority by being brave with someone else's life. You write this incoherent email, but you're not dying. Your brother didn't die. Ukraine has been reduced to rubble. Those poor people in that country. It will I don't know, they'll look, they'll never recover completely. It'll

be hundreds of years, it will be. Remember, countries like France are still recovering from the fact they lost twenty five percent of their men in World War One, gone disappeared. We're talking world ending stuff. But again, because you're a loser, because you're not doing anything. It makes you feel brave and virtuous to be brave with someone else's life. But that's not brave and virtuous. You understand that they're still accepting mercenaries. And it's a dude who wrote this. I'm

not going to give out his name. I don't give out the name, but and I don't care your age. They're conscripting fifty year olds. It's a dude who wrote this. Hey, pick up a weapon and sally forth my friend, hop on a plane, fly in the Kiev and tell them you're ready for Does that not sound fun? Oh? Is it just? Is it just someone else who has to

have an artillery round for breakfast? Is it just the Ukrainian people who have to hide in a trench praying to God that Russian drone flying overhead doesn't drop its payload on them? Have you ever seen these videos? Young man or old man? I don't know how old you are. Judging by your grammar, I would guess you're five. But who knows. At this point in time, other people are dying. It's been three years trying to get Russia out. Ukrainian men have been wiped off the face of the planet.

Their cities are dust. Don't you think it's time to bring it to an end. I am sorry it didn't work out the way you wanted. I'm not rooting for Russia either. I hate Putin, I hate Russia. I don't care. It's time to end it. Be on the side of ending three years of carnage. It doesn't have to go on with another three hundred thousand lives. So you can feel brave.