This is a podcast from wr The Jesse Kelly Show, Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Wednesday. We have Brandon Wiker coming up about a half hour from now. We are about to get so much smarter on trade, Russia, Greenland, China, hypersonic missiles. A wealth of information is coming your way about a half hour from now, so that will be fun. We're gonna move away from the RFK stuff for now because I'm gonna talk about
Democrat resistance to illegal immigration enforcement. We're gonna talk about the USDA Inspector General getting escorted out of the building, deporting anti Semitic student visa holders, and so much more coming up on the world famous Jesse Kelly Show. Now, I need to explain something we're all seeing here because you're gonna see a lot of it. You're gonna keep seeing a lot of it, and so you really need to roll your eyes when you see it. And I'm
talking about the Democrat resistant to mass deportation. If you are a Democrat, you have a tightrope you need to walk right now, and you have to be very very very careful with that tightrope. Let's say you're a mayor, because right now, the Pittsburgh mayor came out, Pittsburgh mayor vows not to work with ICE on illegal immigration crackdown. Okay, what's that mean. Well, he's not going to work with ICE. But you notice he didn't say he was going to
actually oppose Ice, actually stand in the way. And here's why. The tightrope you have to walk walk if you're a Democrat governor or mayor senator, whatever it is right now, is you need to act as if you are trying to stop mass deportation. You need to act that way as much as humanly possible. So you will make announcements like over my dead body, or I'm not gonna work with Ice. You have to make kind of threatening sounds like this from this is Governor of Illinois JB. Pritzman.
I made a promise to the people of Illinois when it comes to threats to our freedom, health or security, if you come for my people, you come through me. WHOA sounds scary. Oregon governor came out two same thing. I will not.
Back down from a fight, whether it's access to reproductive and gender affirming healthcare, staying on our path to reach our climate goals, protecting immigrant communities, upholding our civil liberties.
I'm not going to back down from a fight. San Francisco officials said the same thing Pittsburgh was, they're not going to work with arts. We know that San Francisco is a central. Gosh, that voice is tough to deal with, isn't it. We know that San Francisco is a sentruary city. We will always be a central. We want to be clear. The Sheriff's office does not and will not take part in immigration raids or any federal Okay, we're not going to work with them. Mayor of Minneapolis, same thing. In
the city of Minneapolis. We will stand up for you and we will do anything in our power to help them, because you're not an alien in our city. You're a neighbor. But here's the tightrope they have to watch, you have to walk, You have to oppose illegal immigration crackdowns, but you can't break the law. So what they're trying to do with all these mayors and governors, what they're all trying to do is you're trying to raise your profile
in the Democrat Party. Because the Democrat parties anti American, they love illegal immigration. So you have to raise your profile by saying no, I'm not going to help you deport Loupe. But they're not actually going to physically oppose Ice or oppose the deep ortation efforts, because that is a felony, and the Trump administration is proving to have actual teeth, and they have essentially come out and said, go ahead and oppose us, that's a felony. We'll have
you arrested, even if you're an elected official. So Democrat after democrat, they're all doing it, and you're gonna watch them all do it.
Now.
You're gonna laugh now that you see it. They're all playing the same game. They're all saying, we're not gonna help Ice, we're not gonna support Ice, but they can't actually oppose Ice. You see. Oh, they're gonna stand to the side while Ice goes in there and grabs a bunch of rapists and murderers. They'll give them a disapproving look on the way by, but they're not actually going to stand in their way. Because then you go from being an up and coming Democrat who's out there fighting
for the foreign barbarians. You go from that into being the Democrat who got arrested on camera. The Democrat facing felony federal charges for illegal immigration. And that is where you don't want to be. You're seeing, and will continue to see, a fake resistance put up by a bunch of ladder climbing Democrat losers who are only interested in earning their next position. They're not interested in protecting their city or their state. They don't even actually care about
any of this stuff. They understand the rabbit animals who make up the Democrat party base. They want foreigners here by the million, and they'll try to get promoted in their own party by acting like they oppose it, but none of them will actually oppose it. That's the game being played right now, and they're watching. They're watching a man who sounds dead serious about all that.
They am also signing an executive order to instruct the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security to begin preparing the thirty thousand person migrant facility at Guantanamo Bay. Most people don't even know about it.
We have thirty thousand beds in Guantanamo to detain the worst criminal illegal aliens threatening the American people. Some of them are so bad we don't even trust the countries to hold them because we don't want them coming back, so we're going to send them out to Guantanamo. This will double our capacity immediately, right and tough. That's a tough that's a tough place to get out.
Of, outstanding Jesse. Fifteen hundred illegals a day isn't enough. This adds up to two point two million in four years. There needs to be other ways of getting fifteen to twenty million illegals out of the country. I want them all done. I thought that's what Donald Trump promised us. Any ideas Okay, first, you know, I would be more than happy to criticize the administration if I felt like
they were slow rolling or breaking a promise. But they are out there publicly saying essentially what you just said. You satisfied, Tom Homan with the pace of migrant deportations.
No, we gotta do more. We got we got to open that aperture up. What we're going to do. Here's a great start. The first week was unprecedented. I mean, the only go crossing time the border one day it was like five hundred and forty I've never seen that, and I started bard up til nineteen eighty four.
We're not satisfied. We've got more to do. I warned you repeatedly that mass deporting twenty thirty forty fifty million people was probably not realistic. That in the end, if you have a president like Joe Biden who's going to intentionally bring in as many people as humanly possible, that that is something the next administration likely cannot overcome, even if they tried. I've warned you about that a million times, have I not? So here we are now that said,
what is the greatest immigration enforcement tool on earth? What is it? Think for a second, what is it? Is it walls, border patrol agents? What's the greatest illegal immigration enforcement tool out there? That's right, Chris actually guessed that. I can't believe this fear. Fear is your greatest tool. It is. People don't like to talk like that. We're obsessed with being nice for some ridiculous reason in this country. But the greatest tool you can have is illegals around
the globe. Member people come from every country in the world. It's not just Latin America. All over the globe. People have heard for years that you can just walk into America and just dump on our immigration laws and there really won't be any consequences. Maybe you'll get deported, but then you don't turn around and come right back. People around the globe now are hearing things like this, and they're afraid. They're hearing people say they're deporting everyone. They're afraid.
Migrant caravans down hugely. You just heard Tom Holman talk about it. Where our encounters at the border. It's off a cliff now, because the greatest tool for immigration enforcement is the word getting on the street that we are closed for business. That is going to help snowball deportations. Self deportations will be an enormous thing as we move forward, as people realize I don't feel safe here. I don't feel secure here. Any day ice might come kicking down
my door. That's how we want people to feel if they're here illegally. All right, I'm going to talk about suspending or deporting people with visas who we don't like. Let's discuss that along these exact same lines, and we'll do some emails before we get to Brandon Wikert. Let me first discuss preserving memories, your pictures. I want you to think, just for a moment, think about the pictures in your house, the hard copy pictures, the ones on the wall, the ones in that baby book, the ones
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send it off. They handle everything. It's easy. Legacybox dot Com slash Jesse. We'll be back The Jesse Kelly Show. It's study the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday, A wonderful hump day. Don't forget, you can leave. It's a voicemail if you'd like eight seven seven three seven seven four three seven three. We're gonna get into well, Peter's Michigan's, Peter's here in just a moment before we do that, that Trump sign an executive order to deport anti Semitic
student visa holders. And so what is this? What is this? Well, you saw all the college protests that took place after the October seventh attack by Hamas, and you add a bunch of kids on college campuses running out, Oh my gosh, kill all the Jews, all that stuff, and Trumps signing an executive order that says, hey, if you're here on a visa and you do that kind of crap, we will deport you. And there's been a lot of back and forth today about that on the right of do
I support it, do I not support it? Now, let me clarify the people who are unsure of that is their argument from what I've seen, has been well, okay, so it's just protecting people who have critical opinions, even ones you don't like. You know you're not allowed to. And here's where I fall on that. I have no problem at all with people criticizing me, criticizing people I
like countries, I life, I don't care at all. My thinking on this kind of stuff is, when you are a visa holder, you should be a model citizen at all times. Unless you are an American citizen, you should exist every single day here with a tiny bit of fear in your mind that if you step out of line, you are going to be removed from this country. That is basic immigration. That's how countries handle immigration. No different than if you were a guest in someone else's house.
You make sure you put the toilet seat down, you clean up after yourself, you don't track mud into the place. Because you're a guest, it's not your you don't have ownership of it, you didn't pay for it, it doesn't belong to you. And as long as you're a guest, you mind your p's and q's. But again, we've had such a backwards way of thinking when it comes to immigration in this country for so long because of the filthy communists suve and filtrated us. Because of the feminized
American Christian Church a James. That's much a refuge because of all this idiocy we've had in the country. We now have this state of affairs where the American left, some of the American right, and every person who's here illegally or the very least is here without being a citizen. They all just feel entitled to it, all of them.
I couldn't imagine it. Look, I'll tell you this. You know, I'm not exactly given my white trash background, I'm not exactly what you'd call sophisticated or a world traveler at all. But I have since in the past two or three years, we've started to try to go to other countries. You know what a history geek I am. So we've done, you know, Italy, We've gone to Germany. We've been trying to go over there. When I'm in these relatively civilized foreign countries, I am mindful of the fact that I
am not a citizen. I am a guest, and as much of an ugly American as I can be, still is still on my mind. And I'm over there vacationing with my family. I'm not committing crimes. I'm not doing it. And even then, I am always mindful that this is not my country, and I need to ensure that I'm on my best behavior because it's not my country. And that's how you should think. That's the normal way to think.
But we have been so poisoned by this America hating mentality that now it's even remotely controversial that we're going to deport visa holders. Now, I'll take it way further than the Trump administration is taking it. I don't think you should be deported if you're a visa holder and you criticize Israel. I think you should be deported if you're a visa holder and you publicly protest anything period.
If you stand in front of red lobster and call for a return of endless shrimp, that's fine, that's your right. That's fine unless you are here visiting. If you're here visiting, if you're not a citizen of this country, then you shut your freakin' mouth. You be quiet, go to work, you go to school. You try to stay out of
my way and off of my radar. In the same way guests who walk into my home, yes even family members, they don't get to walk in and sit down in my chair, put their dirty shoes up on my table, grab the television remote and tune into whatever they choose to tune into that's not permitted in my home. And that exact same way. If you hold a visa here, you don't get to make trouble about anything. I'll take that well beyond criticism of Israel. I'll take it to
criticism of anything at all. Now, on the flip side, if you're an American citizen, I don't care who are what you criticize, as long as you're not breaking the law. You can stand on college campus and scream about killing all the Jews. For all you it means nothing to me whatsoever. But if you are here and you're not a citizen, keep your feet off my table and don't even think about touching the remote. I'll deport you for looking at me the wrong way. That's how it should
be treated. It's a privilege to be here, all right. Brandon Wikert is going to join us in just moment, and we were about to get so much smarter about foreign affairs, China, shipping lanes, trade, why is Russia in the Arctic? Next? Joining me now, Senior National Security editor for the National Interest, My friend Brandon Wikert, who always has a lot of takes on things. Okay, Brandon, first, I might as well go ahead and tackle the big
thing with you, the news of the day already. RFK Junior obviously has a lot of thoughts on things that are much different than what people are used to. The point I've made over and over again tonight is if you're upset about that, well, you shouldn't have violated the trust of the American people. Over and over again, they're looking for something different.
Now, that's right, that's right, it's it's I really appreciate Yet again, Donald Trump does this thing where he'll make a statement, or he'll he'll pass a law, or he'll nominate somebody that car This is all of our elites to show who they really are. And in the case of the RK nomination, you have Democrats like Elizabeth Warren, who have you know, made a career off supposedly representing the little guy and standing up for the people who've
been wrong. And she spent three minutes this afternoon questioning Arka, demanding that he vowed not to stand up for the little guy anymore by taking a four year avow to not sue any big pharmaceutical agencies that are in violation of the law, and that he basically allowed for her, as she put it, to vaccinate his kids. And so you know, here we have it. You know, yet again Trump has done something where it has forced the elite
to show who they really are. They don't care about us, They hate us, and they want to basically drug us so that they can experiment on us with big pharmaceutical you know, industry behind them.
Exactly did the pharmaceutical industry where? When when did it become what it is? And I don't expect them to all be a bunch of saints. It's a for profit industry, and I wanted to be a for profit industry because that means the products get better for us. But when did it become this cabal between the government, FDA, big pharm because it's really really ugly. What has happened in this country?
Well, incidentally, I or coincidentally or oddly enough, I think it was when Lyndon Johnson basically created the current medical insurance market whereby you had, you know, the businesses started providing for their employees health insurance. You had basically these rules being written by the government where they were getting involved in the cost of things and basically forcing these these companies to change the way that they would do
business ordinarily in a free market. One of the is that Donald Trump since twenty sixteen has talked about he was big funneled for saying this, but he talked about the lines, getting rid of the lines. And what he was talking about was if I live in Florida, if I find a cheaper healthcare insurance in Wisconsin or North Dakota, because I live in Florida, I can't purchase it. No
other product does that? Is it like that? For so, things like that actually have caused insurance to get into bed with government, create regulations that stifle competition and actually, oddly enough, empower the insurance giants who then of course stick it to all of us. And that also helps big pharma because all of these insurance claims and whatnot causes prices to go up. It basically creates lack of competition among the big pharmaceutical industries, among the big insurance giants,
and among government. It creates a sort of cartel, if you.
Will, Brandon switching gears here, why is Greenland and poor? Everybody's snickered? And ha ha, that's funny. Trump wants to take Greenland, But as I explained to people, whether you like the idea or not, he's dead serious about it, and strategically it is important. But it's up north, it's I see, no one's ever gonna go there. So people have a hard time understanding why it matters at all. Why does it matter, Well, it.
Matters because it's part of a larger movement by the Trump administration to restore hemispheric defense. Basically, since at least the Cold Wars end, America has basically let its own backyard become overrun by hostile forces, whether it be local forces like Venezuela or Cuba, They've grown in power and interns. They've brought with them foreign outside elements, not only Iran,
but also more importantly China and Russia. And this is also why Trump wants to reclaim the Panama Canal and Greenland is a keen sort of lynchpin for a America's northern defense strategy. We've allowed it to basically become this sort of open door for China and Russia to exploit. Russia is crawling all over the Arctic since two thousand
and eight. They've basically conquered it, and we've ignored that, and now we're waking up to the fact that, oh my gosh, because Russia is controlling eighty percent of the Arctic right now, they're bringing China with them because they're buddy buddy now, and Greenland, if we don't take it,
is going to fall into the Chinese camp. In fact, that's why in twenty nineteen, Trump started talking about buying Greenland in the first term of his presidency, because China was moving in and trying to buy up all of the real estate in Greenland. And this is also part of a larger issue, which is that Trump is the only American president who realizes that post Cold War American order is gone. We are now living at the beginning
of a tripolar world order that is inherently unstable. It is a tripolar order divided between the US, China, and Russia. And for us to compete in that world order, we've got to make sure our own backyard is secure.
Okay, again, speak with Brandon Wiker. Walk me through this as if I'm stupid, because as you know, I am. Why Why does Russia want the Arctic? For a normal person, that doesn't make any sense. At all. Who wants an inhospitable block of ice.
Why, Well, it goes down to geopolitics. You know, all of geopolitics throughout history is about controlling resources and controlling trade loots. And what we're finding is that the Arctic has probably the largest untapped bevy of rare earth minerals, which is the stuff we need to build modern technology, as well as un tapped natural gas and oil deposits underneath that ice. The Russian since two thousand and eight have been heavily taking that stuff from there, and also
the trade routes. So people may not know this, but there's two competing trade routes opening up, one along the Russian coast and the Arctic and the other one which is floundering along the Alaskan and Canadian coastlines of the Arctic. The Russian trading route is known as the Northern Sea Route. They've been investing heavily in that route since two thousand
and eight. It will take ships safely from Vladivostok along the Russian Pacific coast with China, and it will allow ships to go all the way around all the way to northern Europe without having to pass through the Suez Canal and it actually cuts down I think by about two weeks of travel time, which is a huge money saver for shipping firms, and Russia wants to make all the money off of transit fees by having those ships use their territory to pass through. We want to do
something similar with the famous Northwest Passage. However, can is not letting us use it, and there has been a territorial dispute with Canada since the seventies, which, by the way, is one of the reasons Trump is wanting to is saying that he's going to annex Canada because he wants to. He wants to create a competing trading route in the Arctic to compete against Russia.
Brendan Okay, so you say create a trade route. Russia is creating a trade route, but it's the open ocean. They're not paving the roads. What does that mean of creating a trade route?
They've built The Russians have built the largest fleet of nuclear ice In fact, they're the only ones with nuclear ice breakers. China is starting to build their own now, but Russia has the only and the largest fleet of nuclear ice breakers, and those ice breakers are used to cut paths in the ice that then allow for Russian military as well as civilian shipping containers to pass through.
Gosh, that is so fascinating, Brendan, I've should have asked beforehand, do you have time for one more quick segment? I have like a bunch more quotestions. All right, we're gonna come back here. We're gonna come back with Brandon Wikert, who's making us all smarter. We will steal all of his ideas, pass them off as our own, sound smarter to friends and family members. And that's what acquiring knowledge
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dial Pound two five zero and say Jesse Kelly. Ten minutes on the phone Pound two five zero, say Jesse Kelly, We'll be back. What Chris, we can make jokes? It's fine. Yeah, there's the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday reminding you you can email the show and you should Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. But we are back with Brandon Wikert, Senior National Security editor for The National Interest. Brandon, do you have senior National Security editor on your business card?
Because that would be really cool.
Uh, well, I don't have business cards because I do everything electronically, but it is in my electronic business cards.
I have business cards that only have my name and face on them. It's one of the best investments I've ever put in. I would highly recommend you do something along those lines. Anyway, I want to talk to you shifting gears again. I want to talk a little bit about China right now, because when you wake up, you
read things about China, which is all the time. You find out they are an economic juggernaut who's about to overtake us, and then the next day you read something that it says their economy is on shaky ground, they're
about to collapse. When you read about them militarily, you find out that they're capable of sweeping the US Navy off the high season five minutes, and then the next day you read that their equipment is hot, stinky garbage, their troops have no experience whatsoever, and they would collapse in a matter of days. What is China right now?
China is the world's next great superpower. I think Peter Tiel has said this, and I happen to agree with him that basically he thinks that that China pays people in America to say one good thing about China and then they pay another group to say one bad thing about China in order to confuse the American people and government as to what's really going on in China. I think you have to look at the data, and the data has been this since twenty fourteen, China is the
number one economy in purchasing power parity terms. That is, according to economists, the best measure of a national economy, much more so than gross domestic product GDP. In terms of GDP, we're still number one, but China is right at our heels at number two. They have a robust and growing high tech sector. If you look at their human capital, that's their people compared to ours. They're graduating
more PhDs and science, technology, engineering, and math fields. They're smarter than us in testing terms, and they are as we just saw with artificial intelligence, they're starting to produce and innovate, not just copy and rip off Americans, which is something we were told they could never do. So all this is to say I am not of the mind that China's going away anytime soon. Even if it were to go away, I don't think the country would collapse.
I think possibly Jijinping the president, would go away and be replaced probably by someone much worse for us. And so all this is to say that China is is the existential threat of our lifetimes, and unlike the Soviet Union of old, this country is an economic dynamo even if it has ups and downs. We have ups and downs too. By the way, in our economy, nobody talks about the American system collapsing, you know, when we went through the Great Recession. Why do we say the same thing about China.
We probably shouldn't, Okay, So how did the dynamic change? Meaning they're they're pushing ahead while we appear to be lagging behind. Because it's got to be more than you know, education Asians getting PhDs. It's not exactly breaking news or something new here. What change?
Well, I think a lot of it is what actually people like Elon Musk have been complaining about, and this
is why they formed DOGE. A lot of this is bad government policies that have piled up for decades, whether we're talking about education policy where we're prizing, you know, giving everybody a medal rather than making sure people can can pass their tests, you know, or whether we're talking about the loocification of our children, or other things such as I don't know, you know, having our government steyning innovation with regulations and taxes so much that American firms
prefer to go overseas and do business rather than do it here. And so a lot of this is what Trump and Elon have been talking about for years, and they are finally in a position where they can start kind of cutting back on those things and encouraging and in some cases forcing American firms to stay in America and do business here so that we benefit from it
and get will competitive. Another key thing is China has consistently invested in building world class infrastructure, and in doing so, having world class infrastructure allows for other investments to be made and encourages real economic growth in the long term. The United States has never has not, probably in seventy years, done infrastructure properly. Again, that something Trump has talked about fixing.
And so I think that with Trump and with Elon and some of the people around Trump, I think we might actually start getting to the point of being competitive again with China.
Okay, real quick, wrapping this up. I've only got a couple of minutes left here. Hypersonic missiles they concerned me when I think about our carrier based military. Definitely, our carrier base concerns me a great deal. Do we have countermeasures? Does it concern you? Or is this overhyped?
I have been accused by the carrier folks at Navy of waging a chihat against the carrier because I believe hypersonic weapons and anti access area denial systems have rendered the carrier obsolete. Hypersonic weapons are the game changer, and have them China and Russia do. We're trying to build them out. But by the way, this is the real reason Trump's talking about iron delm. If you actually read the executive order, he delm. He wants to build space
based interceptors. That's to combat hypersonics because right now there is no active defense against hypersonics. The only ones that can be built would be in space.
Oh okay, well that's pretty much horrifying. Brandon Wiker go read everything he puts out there. Obviously very sharp guy, Brandon. I appreciate you as always. Hey, Chris, I kind of want to get involved in the space aspect of all this. I know I hate space, but I also like cool stuff, and I feel like I could be part of I don't know, a design group, if you will, I'm designing space weapons. This is something I've been hot on since I watched Alien for the very first time. No, don't
roll your eyes, Chris. I feel like I feel like I have some good spaceship ideas and I don't care. And by the way, I don't hate space. No I don't, No, I don't. I'm uninterested in space. That's completely different. And when I say space, I mean outer outer space, not near space. It's just every time the scientists come out at oh my gosh, we detected a watermelon on uranus. And I don't understand why that any of that would
interest me or concern me whatsoever. What, Chris, do I want to go to Mars of the Moon?
No?
Why would I? Why would I know? It's not because I hate space. It's cold. I don't want to know. No, I'm done with that now. I'm not gonna wear a jacket, Chris. This has been a podcast from WR