A discussion about NATO

of stuff coming up on The Jesse Kelly Show. And Josh Hammer joins us a half hour from now to talk about the Supreme Court thing. Remember, tomorrow is in Ask Doctor Jesse Friday. You need to email your questions into Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Now. NATO policy last night, maybe you saw it, maybe you didn't, but mcron, the head of he put out a public statement to his people in France, which obviously went around the globe, that said, we're not laying off Ukraine, We're not going

to let Ukraine fall. We are digging in Russia is a threat to all of us. We might even expand our nuclear protection to that area. He was so forceful that Russia. Russia came out and said you better watch yourself with all this nuclear talk. So it was I don't want to freak you out, but I'll tell you as I was laying in bed last night, it was on my mind, it really was, don't dismiss how bad this could get going forward. In fact, we're going to discuss that as part of our NATO discussion here now.

Before I go to Trump and play what Trump was talking about today as it pertains, I want you to keep just a couple of things in mind. First, Europe has five hundred million people. America has three hundred, give or take. Europe is bigger than America significantly, So okay, NATO NATO, Well, America contributes two thirds of the NATO forces, two thirds if you added every other country. They don't equal half of what we pay. We are NATO, and there is a requirement that they never seen be fulfill

that they have to spend. They have to spend a certain percentage of their country's budget. Pick your NATO country, A certain percentage has to be spent on military. You can be a contributing member to NATO, and they rarely do it. They rarely meet the number. If you remember, if you were kind of one of these policy nerd types or you're just into politics. Trump was all over NATO the first time about this. He was constantly scolding him.

You don't even contribute what you should. You don't contribute what you should. He was constantly yelling about it. And there's another part to NATO. And this was on my mind last night big time. I was laying there and I really got my I really got myself kind of freaked out about it. So I'm not trying to freak you out. But you've heard about the article five. Have you ever heard Article five when it comes to NATO? Ever heard about that Article five? Article five? What does

that even mean? Well, I won't bore you with all the details around it, but what Article five is is if one NATO country gets into it with let's just say Russia, because that's who we're talking about here, Article five means every NATO country must go to war. That's part of the whole NATO thing. Now, as you can imagine why it was on my mind last night. I watched m Chrome say, hey, we're getting involved, might have

to expand our nuclear protection. We've recently seen the UKPM come out and setting we're sending our planes, we're sending our troops. We are not seeing the de escalation the peace talks we were hoping. We're seeing other NATO countries turn the volume up instead of turning the volume down. And I was laying the last laying there last night thinking to myself, what if this thing and you know Russia, you can't trust them either. What if this thing completely

out of our control? What if this thing gets turned up into an Article five situation? And look, it doesn't exactly take a Tom Clancy novel to figure out how that might happen. What if France is serious? And I doubt they're serious, but what if they are? What if France starts putting boots on the ground in Ukraine. What if what if a French fighter jet violates Russian territory, flies a mission, shoots something power plant inside of Russia? What will Russia do?

learned what works, what doesn't work. They have completely transitioned their economy into being a military economy, very similar to what we did during World War Two actually, where we just had auto plants that were making tanks all of a sudden. That kind of thing is what Russia has done with their economy. Russia is primed for war now, ready to fight it, jets, tanks, everything, drones. Really, Russia ready? What if? What if this thing goes to a place

we don't want it to go? And then Article five? You know what that means? Article five? That means, hey, America, up run Article five. Russia attacked us. Send in the troops. So I'll be honest, I really was happy. I'm gonna let him play it. I'm not going to interrupt him. Trump talked about NATO policy today and it has a lot of ears perked up across the pond.

the binders ready to sign. Trump to his credit, Trump and Rubio too, I don't want to dismiss Rubio and Walls and the other diplomats involved. They got involved, diplomatically, talked to both sides, brought them to the table. Let's sign an agreement. Ukraine needs to be protected Russia. Obviously they get a he'd get to keep some of what they took. Fine, but let's end this one point five

million people dead. Let's be done with it. Donald Trump, President of the United States of America, did exactly what he said he was going to do, and he had arranged for this thing to end. Zelensky decided he was going to get belligerent in the meeting. You saw it. Immediately the other NATO members PM after PM after PM came out and said, no, we're standing with Zelenski.

a second you're going to be belligerent here. Turn it up to eleven, and then ask Daddy America to come save Europe once again, because America is out on the saving Europe business. It's time for Europe to save Europe. We've already done that twice. Europe. You're on your friggin own. Enough of that. And it's exactly what I wanted to hear because part of my late night tossing and turning as I was trying to go to sleep and I had this stuff on my mind, I was brewing on it.

I was thinking, selfishly, I'll be frank with you, I have a fourteen year old boy. I have a sixteen year old boy. Now, I'm not going to be dramatic. I don't know where this is going to go. I hope we get some sort of a piece soon. But what if bombs missiles start crossing each other in the sky in Europe, Russia, France, Germany. It's happened before. What if this thing goes to a place that's really, really ugly.

It's not at all ridiculous to think about my oldest boy, James and uniform somewhere, and I couldn't get it off my mind, and it worries me a lot. So I'm very grateful to Trump for this, for how we're speaking about it. That's what he's saying, you know, That's what he's saying. That's what he's saying. Hey, don't don't you dare think you're just gonna get turn this thing up and then call on Daddy to come help. That ain't how that works at all. I had it ready to

be quashed. You want to keep it going. Let me know how it works out for you. All Right, it's enough of that. Let's do some emails before we move on to other things, which we have a lot of. Do we have some audio about the astronauts that I was talking about earlier. I really want to talk about the assassination attempt that mightmpletely freak you out. We still have to talk to Josh Hammer. I want to talk first about preborn and saving babies, unborn babies lives. We

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the Supreme Court decision. Don't forget if you miss any part of the show, you can download the whole thing on iheard Spotify, iTunes. I got to clear out some emails before we get to Josh Hammer and some of the other Trump stuff from today. I should let you know Trump talked today about the reports on his attempt at assassination attempts, attempt at assassination attempts. That's most definitely not how you're supposed to say that on his attempt

at assassinations. Whatever. I've got a little bit more info you might not know about one of them. It's pretty creepy. We'll get to that in a little bit. Anyway, let's do some emails, Jesse, I have your cartail name all worked out, No problem o. Better than los Monita's lost Monita's Chris, figure out what that? What that means in Mexican? He said, our messaging needs to evolve clearly and concisely and immediately to what we just saw in a Pithe an amusing way, I wish I knew someone who could

do that, You know, anyone like that. He's talking about the State of the Union speech and all the laughs that Trump got. Look, I only say this. You ask other Republicans to do that, and some can and some can't. Personality is it's not something you can just decide you're going to have now. You can develop one over time, but it involves doing things. A lot of people who who maybe struggle. Do you struggle in certain social situations? A lot of people do. Some people are just mister party,

mister personality, you're living it up ah haha. And some people are much more reserved. Maybe you have social anxiety, maybe you're nervous. Well. You know, you can develop a personality over time, but it involves doing the one thing you don't want to do. You have to mingle with people, You have to talk to people. And what we tend to do is I'm the same way. It's human nature.

We tend to take what we're good at and do a lot of that, and we tend to take what we're bad at and avoid it completely, completely, just avoid it all together. So if you're out of shape, you're too fat, you never work out. Why because working out it's harder for you. It hurts for you, it's no fun, your legs hurt your hips. So you just don't do it at all. Right, instead of working on it, you don't do it. Personalities to say, I want to get

to that social anxiety. You want to be better with people, fellas, You want to be better talking to dimes, dimes to be you want to be better flirting with dudes. You gotta go talk to people. You gotta go find social settings, whatever they may be, and talk to people. There's not a second way. Politicians, we look at it. Look Trump, Trump is very charming, is charisma dripping.

Japan nineteen ninety five. On my way I was going to spend a few days in Guam to snorkel. In sightsee, I noticed four to five seniors in good shape for their age, wearing World War Two veteran caps, walking the aisle of the plane, laughing and getting drunk. Of course they were. I asked them why they were going to Guam. Turned out they were pilots in the war and wanted to scuba Snorkel and Snorkel, the Japanese ships they sunk during the Battle of Guam. They were very cool guys.

I'm fortunate to have met them. These vets must have been in their sixties or seventies. I want to so snorkle the ships. Remember when we had Terry shappard on It was a while ago. So if you're a new listener, you won't remember. But Terry Shappard is one of these super stud Green Beret types. He's a friend of mine and he has a charity forget what it is, really cool charity, but one of their charity what they do is he goes around the world. Last time I talked

to him, he was in Saipan. He was snorkeling looking at the fallen American aircraft trying to get the American remains the boat. Well, they're just bones now, trying to get the bones out of the American aircraft so we can bring these guys back home so their bones can be laid to rest in America. Task Force Dagger, that's right, Chris, I knew I'd think of it before you could. Chris definitely didn't write that on the screen. I thought of it first. Task Force Dagger is what it's called, really

cool charity, really cool thing he does. But how cool would it be to go scuba dive war remains? I mean, don't you think that would be all? And what Chris?

You just never know. It's a very dangerous thing. You go under water, it could be very, very dangerous. You would want to go in it, right, But that in and of itself may be heavy if its depending on whether it's American or Japanese. Remember when we talked about the USS Johnston. Now, nobody's gonna go get that's twenty thousand feet under the sea. But what if you could go in it. You're gonna go into a compartment and you're gonna see bones of Americans. That would I think

they would get to me. I think it would. Anyway, let's talk to Josh Hammer about Supreme Court stuff, and then I'm going to talk to you about what Trump said today about his assassination attempts and clarify some things he was talking about. Because there's a lot of icky out. First, let's deal with your pain. Let's get rid of your pain, the nagging pain in your life. I'm talking about physical pain.

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dot com. We'll be back. It is The Jesse Kelly Show. On a Thursday, reminding you that tomorrow is an ask doctor Jesse Friday, and you need to get your questions emailed in right now to Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. But we don't have any time for that because my friend Josh Hammer, host of the Amazing America on Trial, joins us now to discuss why the Supreme Court sucks so bad. Josh, I'm so sick of watching our choices for the Supreme Court knife us in the back time

after time after time. Robertsis say, Cony Barrett oh is always good from one of these every now and then, Can you explain what they do to pick their people versus what we do, because clearly they've got a better process, Jessie.

actually have my own unique twist on this. I actually was just on the road this weekend in California. I did debate at UCLA Law School just yesterday on this topic. I have a twist on this that I call common good originalism, which is a slightly different approach to constitutional interpretation than most people in mingle conservative circles. So I

do fall methodology itself to an extent. But above all, Jesse, I really, even more so than methodological problems, I thought the fact that people on our side just are just absolutely terrible at doing the reading. So, for instance, you know, Emmy Tony Barrett has quickly emerged as the worst of the Trump nonomenees no doubt about that. She royally screwed up here on the foreign aid case, on the USCID

case there she had a terrible vote. I think it was just last week on EPA case out of San Francisco. She had a god awful vote on the Fisher case, the j Sixer case last summer where she voted to the left of Katanji Brown Jackson extra. So she's become the worst. But you know, even the best of the Trump Justices, Neil Gorris, it's there. He's had some pretty

high profile mess ups as well. The biggest would be the twenty twenty case, a case called Bostock involving Title seven of the Civil Rights Act, where he basically wrote the majority opinion for the court interpreting because of sex discrimination as also including sexual orientation and gender identity, which

is insane. But I say all that, Jesse, because if we had just done the reading, we would have seen that Justine Gorstich basically wrote that back in two thousand and nine, actually in a Ninth Circuit case where he was sitting as a judge. That's just one thing where you got to do the reading. I mean, yeah, I think back, you know. I mean, you mentioned John Roberts, all the people that we thought would be solid who are not solid. You can also go back to even

further than this. You can go all the way back at least as far as the George H. W. Bush presidency from the early nineties. Now, Jesse, I was like two years old, so I'm not going to say I remember this personally, but based on what I've read about it, there for the seat that ultimately went to David Souter, you basically had two finalists. You had Edith H. Jones,

who is in Houston, Texas. She's been one of the most rock ribbed members of the Conservative judges for four decades now ever since she was nominated by Ronald Reagan. You had her, and then you had David Suitor. And what happened was you had Governor so Unu of New Hampshire, who knew David Suitor because they're both from New Hampshire, who basically whispered in George H. W. Bush's here and said, trust me, trust me, you could take my word for it.

And you know, within a year or two, David Suitor was a reliable liberal member of the Corps, voting with Ginsburg and all that. So after that, Jets, these people on the rights said, no more suitors. We've learned our lessons? And have we have we actually learned our lesson because it seems like the answer is no. It seems like the answer is no, we have not learned our lesson.

So I'm sick of this. Do the homework that these people better make sure you're getting solid conservatives, not these single issue nerds that upset over regulatory and economic issues but don't care about the actual culture war issues, the civilizational issues that many of us care the most about there, and make sure you get people in there, for God's sake, who are not going to chicken out when the limelight is on you, who actually have the courage and the

conviction to do the right thing. Easier said than done. I recognized there, But it's not the hardest thing in the world, Jesse. It's not rocket science either.

I'm genuinely asking, No, I don't think that's true.

as we said, he's not perfect. But if you go down to the federal course appeal, I mean, I clerked for a judge James C. Hoe on the Fifth Circuit. I was going to judge host first four Lacklers on the Fifth Circuit they're in Texas. Fantastic judge, and the Fifth Circuit in general, Trump's nominees were superb. I literally watched that court transformed with my very own eyes of the course of the years that I clerked on it. And there's many other courts appealed out of the same way.

of like a limelight thing. You know. There's this old theory called the Greenhouse effect, because there was this old liberal New York Times columns called Linda Greenhouse who basically said that every time they can serve a judge gets the Supreme Court, the cultural pressure, the you know, the Georgetown cocktail parties, all that stuff, they're all going to move for the left. And it's a real problem. It's

an actual problem there. We see it sometimes in Bret have No I was writing, he's kind of begging to be liked by people that are not inclined to like him. There so we need people who frankly just don't give a crap genuinely, just like Donald Trump himself could not give the smallest crap in the world about what the corporate media, elites and what not think of them. Again, easier said than done, but those people are out there.

American heartland. My good friends Jonathan and Paige Briniski, the their husband and wife here in Florida where I live, great personal friends of mine. They actually co wrote a piece for the Federalists maybe a week and a half weeks ago, arguing that this is actually a bad idea because when you move these agencies and the Supreme Court is not that different in this respect. There you're also basically bringing the liberal culture of a lot of these

places to these otherwise read bastions. Right, So you know, in theory, maybe moving the screen court is to a place like, you know, like Norman, Oklahoma, whatever might make sense, But you're also gonna risk ruining the culture of Norman Oblomen. So it's kind of a two edged sword. But it's an intriguing idea, and you know, frankly, those are the kind of drastic reforms that I'm always sympathetic to. I'm not sure if I'm sold on it, but I'm definitely sympathetic to the idea.

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an hour of the Jesse Kelly Show. But we are back with my friend Josh Hammer, host of America on Trial and has a book coming out, Israel and Civilization, which you should go pre order. Okay, Josh, Now, when we talked earlier today, you told me there might be some good news with this crappy Supreme Court decision where Amy Cony Barrett and John Roberts of course screwed us over. Expand on that, why why might this work out? Okay?

He literally took his seat in late November, even after the election, during the lame duck during the lane duck portion of Biden's presidency. But what he did was he put a what lawyers call a tro a temporary restraining order purporting to demand that USAID not not issue or excuse me, that they that they will continue to issue this two billion dollars in foreign A funding. And then he basically went ahead and he renewed his temporary restraining order.

So what the court did here, when the Supreme Court did is they basically said that we're not going to review this at this time. We're just going to pass because it's coming to us in the procedural posture we might say of a temporary restraining order. Basically, what they're saying is that he hasn't even declared a full scale injunction, which is kind of the more sweeping remedies, saying like

you actually are fully stopped and doing this. So they're basically making a procedural point that it's not fully ripe for their review at this time. Now, the point, among other points that sam Alido and the other dessenting justice making their descent is he says, well, you know, we can call this a temporary restraining order, but at some point when you keep on renewing it, it kind of

ceases to be temporary. It's not really temperar anymore. Right, So, one way or the other, though, this is gonna make its way back to the Supreme Court, and eventually it's going to make it back to the Supreme Court, not on this procedural question, but on the actual underlying, substantive constitutional separation of powers question, the actual separation of powers

question that is relevant here. Is the President forced to disperse in this case to buildion dollars in funding that has been discretionarily authorized by the USAID And the short answer is no, that he is not required to do so because the judiciary simply just has has no ability to dictate to the president what funding decisions he may or may not make. So that's kind of just a

basic separation of powers decisions. So when it actually gets back to the Court on the constitutional merits, Jesse, I'm a little more optimistic here. Basically, Roberts and Barrett took a convenient procedural off ramp which allowed them to not rule on the merits, But there eventually will be a ruling on the merits there, and I'm a little more optimistic about that.

doing something good the court stops it. Well, you have to wait for the Supreme Court, But can we be done with this? Ever?

forth have it. There. But here's what I will say, Jackie, there actually is one thing that the Supreme Court can and must do that will have the largest and most sweeping effect to diffincentivize these lower court judges, these lower court judicial insurrectionists, as I've called them, to prevent them from acting on a line. And that ruling is you have to rule once and for all that there is no such thing as a so called nationwide injunction because

it's illegitimate. It falls outside the bounds of the judicial power of which Article three of the Constitution speaks. Because the idea that a single judge could bring the entirety of the executive branch to a halt, that's just not

how our system of government works. So, for instance, just to give one example here, there's this letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote back and needs to know fourth to Abigail Adams, the wife of John Adams, where he famously said that to give the power to the judiciary to decide cases not just for themselves, but as it affects the direct dealings of the other two branches, will make the judiciary a despotic branch, make them just a tyrannical branch. So

it's just not our system of governance. And the sooner that the Supreme Court can base it kicks the so called nation one injunction to the curb the better. So the first time around, Donald Trump sated by Mike Town sixty four to sixty five or so of these nationwe junctions, which, by the way, Jessie, more than the first forty four presidents of the United States combined. Go figure. It really was debilitating the first time around. And we've got to

get a defendive ruling on this. That's got to happen asap. Hopefully the acting Splitterer General United States, Sarah Harrison, assume to be full time slitter General John Sower or Missouri. They're both outstanding lawyers. Hopefully they get that petition teed up nicely for the justice because that ruling has to happen asap.