Hey, yeah, we can miss whole thing. Just on what's got some screwed jay? What's it in the green room? And I'm like, I see he's on air right now. I'm like, maybe you got the time schedule screwed up. No, I just uh, my plan was to push the podcast tonight on my podcast, and then I didn't. I looked up and I saw it was seven o two and I was like, oh crap, I gotta quit. So no, no, I was just trying to hurry up out of there. I didn't notice the time. Dude. It's
such a weird time because like this freaking thing drops this morning. It's like we had this other thing we wanted to talk to you about, and it's a weird thing for us to talk to you about because I'm not going to debate you because you're a maniac debater. But yeah, that's such a week, like like I almost feel like it's like, you know, the Italian thing, like like you don't you don't discuss the family stuff outside the family,
you know. Like but I'll say this, man, I think whatever your opinions on Francis are, or whatever our opinions on Francis are, I think this is a bad thing for Christianity in general when something like this happens, because for those of us that are all trying to defend the indissolubility of marriage between a man and a woman and things like that, it makes us look like even worse because you even have people in the hierarchy saying that this
is a good thing. So, you know, we'll we'll try to stay off that topic to Yeah, we don't have to talk about we don't talk about that, Yeah, just because I would like to see you debate. I heard you even saying at the end of your stream, like you and Tim Gordon, we're going to debate to something, right, Well, he wants to debate like, you know, pretty intense metaphysics, philosophy, topics, which is fine. You know, I don't know how I guess you
could theoretically debate like has Romancaloic moral theology changed or something like that. I mean maybe you could have that debate. I don't know how you would approach like it would be. I mean maybe Trent would want to debate it. But when I was talking to to Trent, you know, I was saying, why don't we debate something like the history of the papacy, because it all, like all the papacy debates end up being like what's the meaning of
infallibility? And is this statement infallible? So that's like the whole debate ends up being that, which I don't mind having that debate. I just feel like has been had many, many, many times. So I'm just typically trying to find other angles and ways to discuss the topic, Like like I just one of the funt big medieval history book, Like I'd like to talk about some of that, you know, not the same old Well, what do you say to this quote? Quote? Mian, what about this?
What about this quote? What about this quote? One of the one of the funniest debates I've ever seen you have was Bryce and Gray because I was screaming at my screen trying to like you were you were giving this guy the simplest concept for them to understand, and he just couldn't understand the concept. You were like, No, He's like I just did answer. You're like, you did not answer what I just put in front of you, Like, what are you talking about? Like, Bryson Gray's got some strange theology.
Yeah, you're super hard headed, dude. I mean he's a nice guy in person, but like the theology, he's super hard headed. I don't know what is he though, Like does he is? He calls it an uh, well, he doesn't call up arian, but he's an aryan version of Messianic Judaism, so he thinks Jesus is the Messiah but he's purely man. And then he calls it Messianic Judaism, where you're supposed to follow the Torah. Wait, so do Messianic Jews not believe in the Trinity?
Then no, I would say most of most of them would probably. I haven't told them, but many are. Majority of them would probably say they believe in the deedy of Christ. But I think Bryson is kind of like constructed, sort of his own thing. That's pretty strange. Yeah, dude, the reason I wanted to get you on, So I did you watch
that? Did you watch that Obama movie Leave World Behind? Yeah? We did a whole podcast on it. Dude, I watched that freaking movie and Rob didn't watch it, and it was like, it was kind of hard for me to have a conversation with him about it because he hadn't seen it. And it was one of those things where I felt like I was watching something that they were planning to do to us. Yeah, it was just this this weird feeling I had afterward where it left me unnerved, and people
mistook me saying that for saying it was a good movie. It's not that I thought it was a good movie or anything. I thought it was well put together in that, especially because I live on Long Island. Like, if you live on Long Island and you have an incident like that go down, you're trapped on the island, you're not getting food in, you're not getting off the island, You're stuck here. It would be complete mayhem. And it's been like a fear that I've had for a long time. What
were your thoughts on that movie initially when you saw it. Yeah, we took a lot of notes. Jamie and I watched it because we felt like it was gonna be kind of a you know, propaganda, predictive programming heavy film, and especially if you've got Obama involved, right, I mean, you know it's gonna be sure, it's gonna be a doozy. So we took a lot of notes on it. My first thought was that, like it's the idea it was supposed to be what would really happen, you know,
it'supposed to be a realistic portrayal what would happen if America collapsed? Right, So that did pique my interest, but I knew it was going to have, you know, some of the critical race theory tension type stuff in it going on. It's going to promote the vision, because usually when Obama puts out stuff, it's always it's always got that agenda behind it. So you know, initially it's sort of like this couple, if you don't know the story, right, is trying to rent more or less like a nice
fancy airbnb from a black couple. The black couple's gone, and then they suddenly come home because there's been some problem in the city, maybe the internet's going down, and the first thing they think is hackers. But you have this really awkward exchange between Ethan Hawk and Julia Roberts and the black guy and his daughter, and they're trying to figure out what do we do here.
We're in your house right where the colonizers were on your property, and so they have to make this you know, compromise about how they're going to spend the night, and then things kind of escalate. We start seeing well, right off the bat, they try to make out Julia Roberts to be this racist bit wine Mom, Yeah, she's a kidah right here. But at the same time, it's like, dude, a black couples shows up at your door. You're on Long Island in a wealthy neighborhood, Like you're not
crazy to think like maybe something's going on here going on. So while we're watching it, my wife is like, she's like, what would you do in this Scenario'm like, I gotta be honest, Like the guy shows up in a tuxedo with a young girl, they're in a nice car, Like it almost seems too unbelievable to not be true. You know, like that
that might get me. But you know, if just some random anybody shows up at your door in Airbnb claiming the things they were, like, you're not going to be quick to let these people in your house, and they make her out to be like this psycho for not wanting the strangers in the house. Yeah, so you're supposed to feel bad, right, like, oh, maybe yours you got micro racial aggressions going on if you want to defend your house, right, So I think, yeah, I think the
viewer's supposed to feel guilt trip to guilt trip. I think you're right about that, right. But I also noticed too, I don't know if you saw that series a few years ago, mister Robot, right, So the guy that directed this, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So the guy that directed this is the director of that. And some people were saying, like Internet nerds are saying, oh, this is supposed to take place
in the same universe. That's why. Uh, they start speculating early on the movie that it's hackers, right, hackers have brought down the you know, Internet or whatever. And Julia Roberts gets those weird messages on her phone.
She's like, oh, it's hackers. And so that was weird because you know, we've been hearing cyber Polygon from Klaus ever since the Coof, Right, So, right after the coof happened, Klaus and company at the World Like Inform they ran these exercises of cyber Polygon where there's a cyber pandemic where basically the Internet goes out and you know, be be be worried because this will be way worse, Klaus said, than the coof shutdowns. Right, So that was my first thought was like, hey, wait a minute,
like, is this talking about Klaus was a great reset? Right? And as we're watching the movie, we're starting to get the idea that it might be like a great reset scenario, right, Like whoever's bringing down the country is resetting it back to uh, you know eighteen hundred's prairie, you know, scenario where you don't have electricity and you know you can't. They
even hinted at being the elites that do it. It's pretty crazy, you know, Yeah, that guy is at one point, oh, the black guy says, you know, I'm a trader, so I deal with a lot of you know, high high profile clients. And one of my clients works for the militaryandoes for complex and he's a defense contractor, and they had these contingency plans for certain scenarios and he said, you know, it might be the end of the world. Cabal, like a cabal's running it.
He's like, but I didn't believe him, and there's nobody running everything. And then but then it comes you come to find out he wait him to know actually they have done this. And the craziest part about the movie, I think is the hinting that it can't just be a foreign government that did this. There also has to be internal traders that help subvert to bring the country down, And that's hinted at in the movie, and I think that that part's true as well, Like if America did collapse, it would also
require a lot of sort of internal subversion as well. Real quick, Jay, since our audience might not be as knowledgeable on this as yours, can you just quickly explain what predictive programming is? Yeah? So I got into this in grad school because I was always a movie boff. And then I started when I was studying geopolitics and history in grad school, I started noticing, like, well, a lot of movies have, you know, like truthful things in them, but a lot of times they skew it. A
lot of times it's propaganda. So I was really interested in, like, what's the relationship between movies and fiction and propaganda. So my master's thesis is on that topic, and I went into the Cold War era. I study James Bond, how he was used in the Cold War as a symbol of propaganda and Western attitudes in the Cold War. And what I started realizing was
that actually quite a bit of fiction and movies are propaganda. So more specifically, predictive programming is the idea that there is the intentional use of fiction, whether in movies or print or whatever, to condition people to what you want to do down the road. So it's not saying that every movie ever is like mind control or was programmed, but rather to say that a lot of movies and a lot of fiction has had messages put into it, seeded,
so to speak, to prepare people for things to come. So, for example, isn't the CIA very involved in a lot of the Hollywood script writing? Oh? Absolutely. In fact, let me grab a couple of these books here, dude, he's the best of this stuff. I could talk to Jay about this stuff all night. Yeah. So, when I was studying this right in the academic sphere, I was actually surprised that the academic literature that already existed on this topic because I thought, well, nobody really
knows about this is it's a real thing. But like there's I already started finding back in the two thousands academic publications on this. Right. So this is not a this is not a conspiracy book. This is a University of Texas press. Right. You can see it's academic text, and it's a woman who's one of the first to write on this topic, Professor Tricia Jenkins. And here she was just talking mainly about like all the CIA was consulting on shows like Alias, the jj Abrams Show, a lot of other projects
that the CIA consulted on. Another book that came out not too long after nine to eleven, this is about two thousand and four. It's another academic publication about how Hollywood uh is programming, programming us through the Pentagon's propaganda in a lot of different movies, and how they have oversight over a lot of screenplays. And so, I mean that's stuff still all pretty tame though it's kind of like, you know, low level propaganda, sort of promoting the
military, promoting Americanism. But when you start getting deeper into specifics, I read a book by this is a guy who had some function at the CIA. Forget what, but it's called The Great Game and it's called The Realities
in the Myths of Espionage by Frederick Hits. And in this book he talks about the history of spy fiction and how a lot of times in early British spy fiction they would put what they couldn't talk about into their fiction, right, So Britain has a law called Official Secrets Act where you're not allowed to talk about anything you were involved in if you were a spy. So what a lot of the spies would do was just write fiction. Like Graham Green,
famous spy, he writes fiction stories. So they started putting reality into the fiction. And there's actually a really famous movie about this idea. It's one of the first I can think of about kind of what predictive programming is. It's called Three Days of the Condor and has Robert Redford, and his
job is as a CIA analyst. He basically just combs through fiction and he looks for things in fiction that might be cryptographic messages or something like that, or signs that the Soviets are up to something, right, So he's basically studying fiction, and then he ends up in this big conspiracy plot. It's a really good movie. I recommend watching it. The CIA guys are trying to basically kill him, so you know. So that's what I wrote about
in my books. And I'll give you one last example to understand predictive programming. In two thousand, I forget what year. This was a few years ago, people put in a foyer request. This is from a book called National Security Cinema, and I'll quote them really briefly. It said, we acquire four thousand new pages of documents from the Pentagon, the CIA through a
foya for US. These documents were the final nail in the coffin. Documents for the first time demonstrate the US government work behind the scenes on over eight hundred major movies and over more than one thousand TV shows in the last several decades. National Security Cinema details how the US government was involved in projects ranging from James Bond to the Transformers to the Marvel and DC Universe. A similar influence was exalted was exerted over many TV shows, including Hawaii five O,
America's Got Talent, Oprah, Jay Leno, and even Cupcake Wars. So things as innocuous as Nicky had like pro you know, military recruitment stuff put in there. Anyway. It goes on to say that including the CIA consulting on shows like Top Chef. And the reason for that is that people think that entities like the CAA all they're just involved in, you know, overseas
operations. Now they're actually involved in culture creation. So they have a huge role in steering culture, movies, music, and so that's something that just most people still don't even know about. And that's, by the way, why so many actors in Hollywood people have been spies. So when you looked at okay, so before before the pandemic hits us, you had that.
It was in like twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen, they have this summit and they talk about a coronavirus com like they actually like told us what was going to happen. It was event to a one, right, so they had a vent to a one happens. Now after twenty twenty happens, you have Klaus Schwab starting to come out talking about a cyber pandemic. Now you start getting hit with a movie like the you know, Leave the World Behind, things like that. There's even a movie coming out of like about the Civil
War that they're showing about Alan Warland. Yeah, did you see the trailer for that? Yeah? So right, So Alex Garland, he's done a lot of these very kind of deep sci fi apocalypse based things, like he had I think he wrote twenty eight days later the famous zombie movie. You know, he had a big hit when he made the movie X Mashiina, which is kind of a dystopian AI thing which the ais rolling out. So that movie was very predictive of what it was saying, because we'll get it.
We're getting the AI girlfriends rolling out now, right, That's what that movie is about. Uh. And so he also did a movie called Annihilation, which is kind of a weird Luciferian kind of thing where people are being copied and cloned by this kind of demonic alien entity. So like, he has a history of kind of doing these kind of deep occultic plots, so I won't be surprised if I can kind of gather from the trailer. You know, it's a similar sort of story to what you have in the Obama
movie. It's like, oh, you know, America's collapsing and the MAGA people are the bad people and they're the ones behind it, and only if we, you know, follow the UN and the global government will we be
saved. That's what I mean, that's what it looks like for the Okay, so the irony of that, So Rob and I were talking about this because all you have is a trailer for that, right, so you can tell even just from the trailer, it talks about the whatever president is in it goes for a third term, so it sounds almost like Trump wins, Trump gets a third term, and then you go because look, they ran these these war games before the twenty twenty election about if Trump wins, what
will we do, and they actually plan out these war games of what states will secede and all these things, because as long as the Democrat wins, you won't get Republican seceding, but if Trump wins, you will get the left seceding. And that's why that plot is almost believable because it looks almost like Trump wins. Now you get the California secedes, and you start getting
these breakaway movements. But it doesn't look like like we're so conditioned to thinking civil war will look a specific way because of how the last civil war in America went, But it won't look anything like that last geographical line in the sand North or South civil war. That's a good point. Yeah, I don't know exactly how it would look like. You know, I'm not like a military expert kind of dude, so I'm sure there's a lot of people
who you know, in the military. They could probably speak to that way better than me. I mean, but the military is always running drills for that kind of stuff all the time. I mean a lot of people have forgotten. Remember jade Helm. That was a huge deal, like seven eight
years ago. I mean, the conspiracy world was going nuts over it because they were doing these large scale exercises for large scale US collapse and they're called jade Helm, and at that time, all the preppers and all the all the sort of you know, patriot people were freaking out because they thought, well, this is the exercise where they're preparing to collapse the country and this
kind of stuff. So, I mean, it wasn't and I did a lot of analysis at the time saying that I thought that this was a lot of hype and it wasn't really gonna be the collapse of the US. But but thinking back, like now, it's like, well, maybe what maybe jade Helm was like you know, what's coming in the near future. I don't know, but what jade Helm had in it was like like how would
the military respond to I don't remember exactly what the threat was. I can't remember if it was patriots or foreign enemy, but basically it was like people were having to be you know, rounded up and sent to walmarts. Walmarts became big detainment centers. You know, it's Katrina style stuff for people were brought into sporting arenas, you know that kind of stuff. Right, So there was, you know, the whole un thing, and we'll have the camps and all that. I mean, jade Helm was a real exercise,
right. I'm not saying they were actually putting people into camps. I'm saying the exercise was multi state military exercise about how to respond in a big collapse type scenario or a civil war scenario. And if I remember the main the main emphasis was AI. So jade Helm was a giant multi state exercise about garnering information about how AI would aid in this scenario. Does that make sense?
Yeah? I have I have this, I have this. I have this theory that the biggest thing standing in the way of some one world governmental organization basically is the US Constitution, like the US Constitution, our freedom of speech, because you see, they're enacting all these laws in other countries around the world, especially Australia. Australia is like some of the things that go
on over there in a New Zealand. It's just bonkers, right, And I think they'd have a hard time getting America under their control because of our constitution. So part of me thinks, like, the reason they're opening our borders and flooding our borders, and part of the reason they're trying to purposely tank our economy and all this is to destabilize us to the point where we
just our constitution has to go out the window. And that plot to that move the seemed kind of plausible to me, like they're just like just not their electricity. Yet, let them kill each other. We don't have to do anything to them. I think you're right on that on the right train there, because I mean, I think as Orthodox or Catholic, we would probably have some criticisms of the Enlightenment ideas behind America and the Constitution all that,
but that doesn't mean everything about it's bad. Yeah, right, So you do have a lot of these limitations and these firewalls and these checks in place that we're meant to, you know, hold back tyranny of that scale.
So I think there's something to that. I definitely think that from the global elite perspective, at least in the way they speak in a lot of their books, they seem to have that attitude where they view it like you know, on the on the road to where we want to go for the technocratic global government, we have to kind of go through these phases where we get rid of the US or or at least like the way Klaus and them have talked about it is like the US doesn't necessarily have to be destroyed,
but it has to like it has to be humbled and learn, like taking down a few notches at least is the way they talk about it. Yet, what do you make of Elon dude, Because it's it's weird because he's the guy who's actually trying to put nouralink together, but he's also the guy
disrupting the system a little bit. He let Alex Jones back on, and he seems like like I can't tell if he's completely a bad guy just trying to subvert us, or if he's got some good elements to him and maybe he's a pawn of his own destruction or something, which it would be a question. Again, I know, I don't know his motives. I've ever
talked to him. I don't know, you know, I think best case scenario he's in a process of waking up, and he really is waking up, and there's things that indicate that worst case scenario, he's you know, just kind of playing around and screwing with everybody and it's just a chess game
for him. I don't know, but I would, I would. I think I tonally lean towards the former that it seems like, you know, it's a best case scenario at least, that he's he's doing good things so far, right, Yeah, but we do have to be on guard and not kind of like throw all of our eggs in one basket. Because yeah, it's a good sign that he's South African because he's seen the end result of so many of these different programs happened to his own country, So that's
true. Yeah, it just scares me because he's put you put your faith so much in one guy, and then they can just take that one guy out and now he's going to have so much because what he's doing with X is he's trying to make it the everything platform. We're giving him all of our data. We're like, we're using this as the main thing. So if you just take him out, now you and now you put another person at the helm of it. Now somebody else, we need decent realization,
not the opposite. Yeah, somebody was talking about I think Andrew was saying, like his theory was that Elon wanted X because if you buy X, then you got access to basically, like you said, like every DM and everybody's data. So like whatever senator was dumb enough to, you know, tweet the chick that he's cheating on his wife with. Right now, Elon has that data. So uh yeah, that could be I didn't think about
that angle of like a control move. But at the same time, it's like, well, but the NSA had all that data too, right, It was like the data was there, so I don't know how much Like Okay, so like if somebody else comes in and takes over, you know, if Elon's doesn't have Twitter anymore, what are they going to do with that? Like, I mean, they already know who's on what side.
I think AI's probably I don't know, but it's probably smart enough from a programmer perspective that they already have everybody classified as to where they stand politically or you know what I mean. So it's like, when do you think we get to the point where they start trying to make new religions with the AI. Like you saw all the h Herrari videos where he's talking about, well, we'll just have the AI start coming out with new scriptures and things like
that. I mean, we're on the verge of people worshiping this artificial intelligence as it is. Well, I mean THX one, one, three, eight, right, that's one of George. That's George Leucas's first movie, and that movie kind of combines all the dystopian stories into one. And in that movie he has AI as the kind of god. So when you go to confession, have you seen THHX? No, Oh, man, you gotta watch it. Because in THHX, this this dystopian in the future where
the where the humans live underground. It's kind of like a Brave New World scenario and the only job of the humans is to build a robots that enslave them right. And so basically, when you go to confession, if you start feeling bad, you go into this booth and it's a robot Jesus that you confess to. Oh my gosh, I mean, it's from a movie. From a movie perspective. It's good though, because it's like that we're on the verge of where this is going to be rolling out right? Well,
what was that? What was that movie on Netflix with where like they could transfer your your consciousness into another person alter altered carbon, Altered Carbon where the only people against this was the Catholic Church In Altered Carbon, it was like the it was like the old Catholics were against this because your soul couldn't go out. It was still funny, how like they had a form of Christianity that was still like against the idea of transferring your consciousness into another being
because yeah, your soul. Yeah, Christianity doesn't play into a lot of sci fi stuff very rarely. It's kind of a little bit there in Dune. But it's weird because it's like the Orange Catholic Yeah, all is blended with Islam or Southism to form this new kind of weird religion around palm Wood. Ye. I think you know that Mormon dude orson Scott Card right, he has a Hi a Mormon planet, there's a Catholic planet, there's atheist planet. So so. But yeah, usually religion doesn't play into the sci
fi future worlds. But if it does, you're right, it's like some kind of weird. Uh, you know AI god or something that people are worshiping. Yeah. Man, we we just had a We've been trying to push back on evolution a lot on our channel lately. We just had somebody, a woman on from the Colby Center the other day, a biologist just talking about evolution. Like I just I see evolution and aliens and AI all coming together as one thing very soon, Like all of it is as a
narrative that we're all going to pull for. Yeah. I think uh. I did several chapters and I think my well, actually the first book am I second book. I had several chapters where I was talking about how a lot of the movies about alien stuff is preparing us for I think kind of a potential future new religion. I think the ideal of the global elite would
be to have a completely manufactured and create a religion. For example, we see that in a lot of the dystopian fiction from people from the Power Structure. Right if you read Brave New World. I just reread that. We did a whole five episode podcast on that. I didn't even realize that it's basically a sex magic religion around drugs. I'd forgotten that in Brave New World. There's a future religion based around that. I think a lot of the
alien fiction people like HG. Wells and others, I think they were kind of warming us up for the potentiality of a future new alien religion. There's a nineteen sixty eight Brookings Institute document produced for NASA where in that document I put this in my second book. They talked about how if alien life was disclosed, they believed it would have the effect of destabilizing Western Biblical religion. So that was what the document says, And here we are, by the
way. I think the last two years has been just like it's weird because it seems like not many people are paying that much attention to it. But like in the conspiracy world, everybody was like, oh, they're going to announce all this aliens, which I think is all bs is all sciop. I don't believe in aliens, but now they're rolling out all this alien bologney. I think it's totally a syop. They bring out all these intelligence agents
who we've discovered alien bodies from crash crafts. I think it's all but they don't even say bodies. They'll say, well, yes, we found biologics because they're on their oath, right, so they have to be careful and they can't. So like, what the heck is a biologic? Like what do you even call? Yeah? Exactly, like, well the woman asked them while he's in the roaths, Well, so did you find alien bodies?
We found non human biologics is what we found. So like that could be a freaking a squirrel, Like, what are you even talking about? After drugs they advertise on TV to us or biologics. Now that's a good point. Yeah, it's such a weird thing. But I've noticed that almost without exception, the because especially with Catholics that believe in evolution, almost all of them, with that exception, will also grant that the possibility of aliens
is there. It's because if you believe life formed from them they go together sludge here, then it could have happened somewhere else and we're nothing significant And it's just the way your mind automatically will think of it. Do you think aliens is a one hundred percent sye O? But do you think there's anything demonic going on there? Like, do you think there's anything to it?
I think there's some elements to it which are demonic because and even some of the people from that domain say that, right, like even people who don't even believe in demons or God or whatever. Like Jacques Vallee. I think he was an occultist Rosicrucian, and I mean he's one of the most famous people kind of involved in this stuff at at a deep level. You know, he wrote several books talking about how even though he didn't know exactly what
was going on, he said it was like malevolent entities. So there is an element I think, to which there are these sort of spiritual malevolent forces involved in this. But I think at like the human level for the most part, a lot of its maloonean syops, and it's intentional though in fact, you can go into there's a good book that the Collins Brothers, their new book Invoking the Beyond. They've got about three hundred pages in their book
dedicated to the alien syop. It's probably the best thing I've seen so far exposing the alien nonsense as a syop. And they go into the whole history of like the CIA was consulting on some of the first alien movies. C. D. Jackson, The Big Pyops, Cye warfare guy, by the way, involved in the Catholic He wasn't Catholic. What I'm saying. He was involved in the doctrinal warfare program. He's the brains behind that. He
was also consulting on some of these early alien movies. It should be noted that the CA was created the same year Roswell happened great point exactly, and I think the Collins brothers talk about that. In fact, the first abductee, guy Georgia Dampsky, Alan Dulles, threatened to go to court against people that wanted to call a Dampski a fraud. Well, why would the hell did the CIA be involved in like trying to cover for this lunatic, you
know, claiming nonsense about being abducted and stuff. So yeah, I think it's absolutely bound up with the intelligence deep state. From the very beginning. It's totally been a sigh out. But I do think there is like a
demonic element. And I do agree with you that it's very perceptive to note the alien stuff too, or the evolution stuff, because part of the alien narrative has relied on the idea that well, if the cause most is billions of years old, then it stands to reason that life would have probably in that time frame, developed somewhere else. Oh, you're absolutely right. Well, I don't believe in like Aon's of Big Bang, and I believe in
Young Earth. So I love meeting somebody else that doesn't think I'm crazy for this, because it's been it's been kind of like just this past year just
coming to this understanding that evolution is just a creation myths. It's just a creation myth because when you really understand every culture that came before us, they all had their creation myth, and especially when you like I've been listening to some of the commentary on the Book of Enoch lately, and some of the commentary really talks directly like getting back into the alien stuff, but it it talks about like the angelic beings giving technology to the human and it seems like
if they're having these occult rituals, like some of this stuff that you're seeing, could be human beings being influenced by the demonic to create technology that is beyond human capabilities and things like that. You know, yeah, it's very possible. You know, Alex believes that. He's always talking about that. I've read some of the biographies of some of the guys involved in some of
the MK ultra stuff. Like if you read John C. Lilly's autobiography, he was the guy who was putting the brain chips and dolphins right in the fifties and sixties. Yeah, they were trying to the early developers of like you know, brain RFID technology. He claims that. And he was the guy who would do the float tanks right where he would do really like hardcore
hallucinogens and then get in the float tank and trip out. And he claims that in those sessions, like he would get ideas and information from the entities that he would interact with on these really hardcore trips. So, and he believes in his autobiography he thinks they're aliens, right, we would say their demons. But so I think there's some I think there is possibility for that.
This is I know you guys are are Catholic, but there's a really good book that critiques this, this whole idea of evolution from a Patrici perspective. And it's a sur from Rose's book Genesis Creation Early Man. Uh, So you might like that, even though I'll definitely read that most of it's actually just going to the Church Father, So it's not mainly about Orthodoxy, but he has another book, Orthodoxy in the Religion the Future, where he
critiques the alien stuff as demonic as well. So from a theological perspective, that's a good book, yeah to me, And I think it's a com I mean, I see, so the psy angle of it is so obvious to me, where they'll they'll send somebody out to even let him go before Congress, and then the organization itself will just denied, denied, don't know, I don't know. You know, it's it's how they always would trickle information out to get it planted. I mean, it's predictive programming. It's
to get you to start thinking about it. So do you think there's anything to the what is it Project Bluebeam or something? Is that where they're going to actually have a fake alien invasion? And said, what one was that? Yeah, I think you're Bluebeam was the idea of using like holographic technology, right, could be. I mean it seems like they're going with, uh, you know, these intelligence agents coming out and saying that they've found
bodies and all that kind of stuff. But really that's not anything new because if you go back to the original claims of Roswell, I mean, that's kind of what was happening at Roswell, right. This this military guy's claiming that they found this crashed craft and he's holding up looks like freaking tenfoil. It doesn't look like anything legitimate. So the recent stuff with this Gorish guy, I mean, it all seems kind of just seems to be a rehashing
of the original Roswell stuff. So I don't think it's real in that sense, any of that's real. But I think that they definitely could try to roll out some kind of holographic scenario. It's it's possible. I don't I don't even think they didn't use holographic. They need to even do that. I mean, you know, I think AI at this point is I mean they can the way they can generate imagery now, I mean, even with deep fakes and things like that, Like, I really think I think that
we're not really prepared for what's coming down the road AI wise. Well also, I mean probably the real crafts that they have are very advanced, right, Like publicly they tell us the fastest craft is like some you know, be silent bomber from the seventies or sixties or something. Yeah, so it's like, obviously they've developed stuff way more advanced than that. In my opinion, probably a lot of the UFO videos that you see, it's probably advanced
drones. So I think that rather than using holograms like blue Beam, they would probably just if they wanted a fake an alien scenario, they probably just
our own technology that could actually could fake in. At this point. Also important to keep in mind, I don't think that this is all the only thing that the alien narrative was about, but in the Cold War, a lot of the alien narrative was a cover and a cloak for the tech that was being developed for the Cold War, so they put I think I don't think that was the only reason they were putting out the alien narrative, but a lot of the alien stories that they were putting out were to kind of
cover. It was disinformation for what they were really developing in the midst of the Cold War. A lot of the early UFO sightings in the fifties were actually the YouTube spyplane, yes, stuff like that. Yeah, so there's an alien cover smoke screen that they'll use at times. The UFO cover. But I think also, like I said, from that nineteen sixty eight Brookings Institute document, like they also saw the social engineering potentiality for you know,
an alien life announcement scenario. Yeah. Man, I just feel like every I dude, they got me to the point where I don't trust anything anymore.
I mean, how because you've kind of been in the conspiracy realm for a lot longer than I have, obviously, you know, but something happened with I guess, I guess it was really Trump was like the the you know, just everything fell apart with Trump, where I just saw every single thing they're doing is trying to build a narrative and even seeing World War two as like the American narrative was built around World War Two and our whole understanding
of who we are as the saviors of that whole war and going against Hitler and that whole like that, that all of that is what built the what is it, like, the liberal the New World Liberal or whatever, the Bretton Woods Agreement, the post World War two you know scenario. Yeah, exactly. It seems like all of that is starting to crumble and they want to put something new in its place, and that they need a new event to base a new narrative on. Yeah, that's that's also very perceptive because
the last two world wars in the last century. You know, according to mainstream geopolitical analysis, the purpose of the the post war global institutions. For example, after World War One, World War One led to the League of Nations and the purpose of Leaga Nations was to be the entity that would ensure democracy for the world. It didn't really work. There were senators that were blocking the UN at that time. I assumed the League Nations because they felt
it was a surrending of American sovereignty. So it failed. Then you had World War Two, and World War Two, according to Quigley, was the basis for the United Nations. The United Nations was supposed to be the entity then that would succeed where the League of Nations failed to basically bring about a world government. Right, it hasn't really succeeded, although after koof we did
actually concede a lot of power to the UN. So I think you're right though that I don't know obviously, I'm not predicting the future, but there's a good chance that to bring in the next level of right to level up from League of Nations to the United Nations to you know, super United Nations. Whatever, it's going to be some kind of catalyzing event. Could probably be that economic collapse, world war, fake alien invasion, and a new scandemic. I mean, I don't know, but you know, you could
be any of those. I think it'll probably be some some kind of it. I mean, I think you just got to believe what they're telling you. And I really do think a lot of this is predictive programming, and I really do think you're going to see some kind of cyber thing happen.
But going back to even just the narrative building, like you could see what built Western civilization was the Christian impulse to go forth and baptize all nations and spread the Gospel, where the past century has been more, go and spread democracy. It's like the new Gospel, Right, let's go and spread democracy, Let's bring democracy to the Middle East. And it does not It's just
not working no matter how much they try. So I think that they're going to have some other way, Like I feel like twenty twenty was just kind of like a little warm up from them to test the waters, to see what they could get away with and something bigger is coming along they just I don't. I mean, it's it's weird because even in that movie, one of the things they left you with was there's not this group of people that
are controlling everything. Nobody's really in control, but a lot of these people do get a heads up about some of the things that are going to happen. Right, Oh yeah, that was crazy. Like so on the one hand, the movie's kind of hinting that there's this shadowy, subversive foreign and
domestic entity that is bringing the country down. But then the guy says, but nobody's running anything, and it's all just chaos, right, So it's like this weird atheistic thing, like was he talking about the because he mentions the cabal and then he's like, but nobody's running anything, almost like there's no God, there's no purpose. Right, So it's unclear exactly what he meant by that statement. But then obviously he also says that there's got to
be internal to bring America down. So that's what happened. So something we don't know, right, and the movie leaves you never really knowing who was behind it. But but I think that it ties into what you said earlier that you know, from the perspective of the global elite, if you did want to bring in a world government, you would have to bring the United
States down because it does present a kind of roadblock. You would probably do that through internal enemies and having no border and having you know, all kinds of other crazy synems. You just think about, what's the point of opening the border to foreign to foreigners, right? And what what you're what you're doing is destroying the cohesion of people has right like America never had a unifying religion. We've always because it really religion should be the thing that unifies the
culture. It's what has always unified cultures throughout history history, right, Like even Paganism, you had your pagan rituals and you would all go to your festivals, and so the Roman Empire falls apart. A lot of people mistakenly think Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire. No, it was a bunch of factors, but a big part of those factors was paganism itself. They stop believing in these rituals and following these these different religious rituals that they were performing.
So on top of that, you start getting you know, they're overstretched, and you know, barbarian hordes coming in and things like that. But the idea of letting anybody come into your border, it's to break the cohesion that
a people has, so you no longer feel as one. And there's something very real about divide and conqueror so if you keep everybody at their throats fighting about everything and only arguing about the things they want you to argue about, Like, dude, I'm so tired of the trans argument, Like I just don't care anymore. But they keep forcing that argument down on the throat, the woke thing. But that's what they want us doing. They just want
us fighting with each other and at each other's throats. Oh absolutely, I mean divide and conquer, that's kind of base. But I mean, you know the same thing with Byzantium, right, Like the story behind the fall of Byzantium is that h And by the way, I'm not trying to spark an argument, but when Byzantium fell, it was Uni eight, right, it had already accepted unions. A lot of times people say, oh, well, Byzante fell was Orthodox. No, actually it was in communion with
after Florence. Yeah, and then so what happened, anything about the history,
you could actually teach me this well. But the whole point of this was just that there's this story that the when the Muslims were right sacking Byzantium, they eventually somebody opened the gates basically, and then the story is that when the sultan or who it was, when he got in, he found out who had opened the doors, and they came to him and they were like, uh, we did it, we did it, and then he had him killed and it's like what well, because his reasoning was, well,
if you were a trader to them, yeah, you're you're not trust And the same thing with Stalin two. Right, So like when Stalin came to power, you know, he eventually had to kind of execute a bunch of underlings around him. And there's this sort of recurring process of like people think that the ones who you know, are the traders are going to be
the ones that are rewarded when they're the first to go. And so I think that the people who are sort of the democrats and this, these lunatics that are helping and aiding and trying to destroy our country, like they don't understand, like they're the Bolsheviks, get rid of the Menshevik Stalin, get
rid of Trotsky. It's never ending. Yeah. Yeah, So Rob and I were talking about like what an actual civil war might actually look like, because I don't see it being some geographical North verth South thing anything like that first of civil war in every other place that has happened, aside from the American Civil War just starts out being just sectarian violence. Like you just get these outbreaks and terrorist attacks and things like that, and normal life goes on
around it. It's not these all out battles like we saw in the American Civil War. So, like, we don't know how that whole thing would break apart Balkans in the nineties more than it is the US Civil War in the eighteen sixties. Yeah, I mean, it definitely wouldn't be like the
makeup of like, you know, America's Civil War. I mean, one thing about that movie that probably the recent people are paying attention to it is that I think people think, well, yeah, it was it was Obama produced, but presumably Obama would know what the contingency plans would be, right, And the premise of the movie is that the premise of the movie is that it's a realistic scenario of how or what would how America would potentially collapse,
so and presumably Obama would have some knowledge of that, I think. And the idea in the movie is that basically it's just all hell breaks loose thin a week. So you're basically within one week you have power goes out in certain places. Then you get the Internet going down, cyber attacks, and then you get these weird e MP ELF attacks frequency signals right which there are elf EF weapons. We're never actually told how that's happening in the movie.
It just happens. And then you get the psyops of the flyers that are being dropped, and we find out in the movie that at first you think it's Iranians or it's Muslims, and then you get you hear the story that oh no, actually in other states they're dropping flyers claiming that it's Korea Chinese or Chinese Koreans, and so that's all disinformation that the guy, the Black guy explains, what does he say? He's like, it was a like plan chaos. He says, yeah, well, it's the fog of
war where you don't know what the heck is happening. Basically, you know, you just you don't know. And then we get the biowarfare thing. Right, So the guy, the kid gets bitten by a tick, which I think we're supposed to think is has affected the deer because the deer have some form of chronic wasting disease or limes disease or something because they're all like
mangy and they got deer aids. Right, it gets bit by a tick and his teeth fall out, so he's got some kind of it's some bile warfare attack as well, that's going on, which in the movie it doesn't make any sense because it's just it's just cured by antibiotics. I mean, they go to Kevin Bacon. They're like, you have medicine, give it to give us medicine. He's got some pills. Here's here's some blue pills.
Just take gave them viagar. It's like, yeah, what's funny is preppers really do they they stock up on antibiotics mental fish because they're completely unregulated. Okay, you can orderbotics on Amazon. Oh and then there was another uh remember the oil tanker. That's probably the most memorable scene is when the oil tanker just sort of likes to a halt to beat, right, and I think that's supposed to Oh so they're you know, they're bringing America's petro
dollar in the economy to a halt somehow. So there's some sort of economic oil attack or halting to the economy through this emp Let's say the satellites have been hacked or something. So it seems to be like just total chaos is let loose within one week? I mean, dude, if you really think about it, though, and then we get a new remember there's a nuke
that goes and there was a nuke in the in the city. But if you really think about it, if they cut the Internet off alone, not even the power let's just say they cut the Internet off, you're talking. We are so dependent on Internet at this point, right, food delivery systems, You're like, every single thing is set up on the Internet to be
done through delivery systems that are through everything on the computer. I mean, if you could really shut let's say you even shut the power grid and the computers down, what is it. I think it's like within a week you'll have people starving. It doesn't even have to be the Internet. If the acch clearinghouse system goes down that banks us to transfer money that businesses use to send and receive money. How do businesses pay each other? You know,
like that alone would be a massive disruption to trade. Well, I did a live stream not too long ago. That's a great point too, by the way, about the ach system. I did live stream a couple of days ago about all the other fiction stories that were kind of prepping us for not just a dystopian I've done a million dystopian movie podcasts, but more specifically the dystopian stories about the collapse of America, right, And that's its own sort of subniche. And in a lot of those it's like they send us
back to eighteen hundreds, right. So, jj Abrams had a show called a Revolution that lasted a few seasons on MBUT. There was Jericho in the midwo I watched all of Jericho. I watched the season of Jericho. Jeremiah was another one where they oh, yeah, Jeremiah was remember in Jeremiah at the end, I think at the end of it it ended up being a bio release or something that that it was actually the military did on purpose to
depopulate. Yeah, you're right. At the end of the story they actually say it's like, oh, yeah, we did that to depopulate earth anyway. But what's weird. What's weird is that there's there's almost a fetishizing of that scenario, right, Like there's something even with the pandemic. When when the pandemic happens, it was like a weird excitement that. I mean, I forgot who we were talking to we're talking about because I'm in New York.
Right nine to eleven happens, and it's like it was just far enough away from me, but I could be like claim it because I'm in New York. It's like, oh, I could claim I'm part of this tragedy. But like nobody and I know died like like cousins or cousins, cousins but not like a father or a sister. So like when tragedy hits like sort of close to home, it's like something exciting about it. To an Italian, nobody is a cousin. Like to me, it's kind of close
to yours. I just we're all cousins over here. But no, but just there's something about being a human that when when an emergency hits, there's something exciting about it, which is why we all like these apocalyptic movies and
storylines and stuff. It's weird. Yeah, it's a there's a sensationalism to it, and I think people can maybe there's this an in a sense that a lot of us have that we know our society is going in the wrong direction and it can't continue forever, right, Like, we can't continue to completely condone every form of degeneracy. We can't continue to you know, have open abortions like we do. I mean, something is going to end this in some way. And at a certain point. God is not a good
father if he doesn't punish his children right like we have. We have gotten so out of control with those specific things that you're talking about, right with just the moral degeneracy that I mean, even if he doesn't do anything, we will do it to ourselves like him, just because really, if you understand what God's talking about with his wrath versus his versus mercy, like God's
wrath is not punishment. God's wrath is oh, I'm going to give you up to your own desires and let you do what you want and not in Romans one, right, right, exactly right. So what God's wrath is like, oh, yeah, that's what you want, Go ahead, you can have it. I'm not even gonna Mercy is a punishment, right. One of the minor prophets talks about even sterility being itself the punishment, right, So using this to be sterile is the punishment itself, because you're basically
ensuring that you won't go into the future. Right. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's weird, man. I think I think all of us have this weird sense. That's I mean, Pego talks about it all the time time. I love Peget because he always talks about like that. You can since you're coming to the end of the story, because you start seeing these patterns better way of saying what I was trying to say exactly, Yeah, you
start seeing these patterns popping up at the end of it. So so that may not mean we're coming to the end of the world, but we're coming to the end of something very soon. Well, there's a world order as it's been might be, and I think it's very likely that you could see what the globally called catalyzing events. Right. They're always talking about in their books, the next crisis, Right, we have a crisis of overpopulation. There's a crisis of uh using oil and fossil fuels, right, which I
don't even think that oil is. It's not dinosaur bones. I don't know what oil is, but I don't believe it's dinosaur juice ground up. Probably a natural resources going to run it. You know, Earth makes somehow, I mean, but yeah, so, but but they the and that that's all tied up with this idea that it can't possibly be dinosaur bones was only here for four thousand years ago? Are they talking about it's a dinosaurs Like Earth is like a big blender that like it blends up the dinosaurs in the
middle. It's out like closs fuels, oil. Get out of you, Madiaggs. I was gonna say, I think it's the end of the world. You know, obviously new testaments clear that we're not told that, but uh, you know, it could be the end of our you know, civilization. That's certainly possible. I think there's so much desire for those types of like like you were saying, apocalyptic stories, because I think so many of us have an innate feeling that the majority of our lives are are unfulfilling.
Like obviously, like the fulfilling. You know, I have fulfilling parts of my life, like my faith, my children, things like that, but like I provide for my family by doing a fake job. You know, I don't go out and make something with my hands. I work on a computer with you know, numbers like tronically. That's not actually physically providing. It's unfulfilling. And I think a lot of us have that sense, and we we realize that if we're brought back to this earlier age and suddenly
life means more. Yeah. People have had good points about that too, which is like, uh, all the feminism is gonna go away because if we if we go to like an eighteen hundred's Mad Max scenario, like, your feminism is going to mean absolutely nothing. Right, You're going to be looking to the nearest strong man to help you out when there's a bunch of when there's when we're in a road road warrior scenario with biker gangs run around
everywhere. Yeah, what about Furio mad Max? Yeah, I was gonna say, oh furiosa, Right, the feminist charlist their own is going to take care of you. No, it's going to be more like humongous and road Warrior part two right where it's like micro gangs of like BDSM weirdos or like they really have come with I want to bring peace. Remember when Humongous is giving the like he's at the gates of the city and he's like he's
got he's like this giant oh Man. Road Warrior is great. It's so there's a city where they try to rebuild and they're they're making oil, right, they have an oil thing, and and it's all this big biker gang run by Humongous who's this this giant buff dude and his gang of like Skittles guys. And he's like he's got this uh you know, megaphone like outside the city and he's like, I want to be a friend. Let's have peace. We've been fighting and all he wants is to do butt stuff.
Basically, he's like, open the gates and let me do. You should watch we're going into Road Warrior. That's not I'm trying to say. I'm not going to do you any good. What's your favorite apocalyptic movie? Like, I think The Road Is is okay, but the Book of Eli was good. Elis a good end of the war a movie, Yeah, it is. It's got a kind of a Christian theme. Bok could be a less good for that. It's very Protestant though, right, it's just about
the Bible of everything. He had to memorize the k really. I like Twelve Monkeys is good. I love twelve Monkeys, man, I haven't seen that in so long. It's good. I did a podcast on that. I like all the you know, road Warriors. Obviously the last one is super feminist, but I like the well thunder Dome is one. Probably my favorite. Thunder Dome is great. Oh man, Jake, thank you for coming on. Dude. You're always fun to talk to me. You're knowledgeable
on this stuff. You came on like I literally texted you like two days ago. I was like, you're busy this week like any day, man, just let me know sure it has a great job. Thanks me. Rob and I are gonna take take take our crew over to locals and we're going to get into this Francis stuff and after we dissect it, maybe me and you will talk offline a little and I'll give you my my thoughts on it. Jay, thank you so much. Man. You're You're always a
blasted talk to brother. All right, man, you guys have a good night. Oh you got anything to promote? Just following me on my channels if you want to, you can get my books and my website and the shop, although right now my shop is under construction, so you might have to wait a couple of days if you want to. I got a couple of books on movies and symbolism, and that's start Hollywood wanted to. And if you get those from the website, sign copies. So that's what that's
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