And man's anthropology.
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Godha God dire Wave three, it says, kicking off Spootober, spooky scary lights, blood goo gooey, you get centers inside of creatures that turn into other things. Evolution, Bro, do you like Halloween?
No? I don't like all of the crap in the stores already, all the Halloween stuff.
I want spirit Halloween to take over every strip.
Malling creature in every country, don't you think?
Yeah? I don't like him, So welcome everybody. We're just coming off the heels of the unhinged and psychotic debater Tristan aka Tristana, who we are no longer associated with. We are better than him, and we just want to burchase signal to point out how better we are because Destiny won the debate last night. Psychic Anyway tonight is a special feature because we're not just covering the eighty
spooky classics. I'll also be doing a debate immediately after this stream, so I'm not at full steam I'm actually taking my tongue cat which we'll discuss later, to help me have the energy to spurg out and be mean to Pedro. I'm just joking, not gonna be mean to Pedro, Pedro from the Crucible, who I believe is a Protestant as far as I understand, we will be doing a debate immediately after this live stream, So tonight we're gonna cover for Spook Toober kicking it off. You know last
year we did Hereditary. Do you remember that we did Hereditary? Halloween three fun stuff Classic John Carpenter. There, I forget what else we did PP three e more Days too, hallo Ween Halloween, hallo Ween, three more days to hallowen su Verse Chamrock you look that up. That will never leave your head. You will go insane. So we got Child's play Chuck aka Chucky. If you've ever heard of Chucky, you know Chuck, not Chuck d Chucky, No public not public enemies Chucky, Chucky.
Chucky, my buddy Chucky.
Yeah it is my buddy. Yeah, my body and kids, sister, kids, sister, kid, sister and me.
This is the first scary movie I ever saw as child traumatized. It messed me up towards dolls. Yes, dolls are have some evil in them. And ever since I saw Child's Play that one and Candy Man, I was about twelve years old, and I've never seen a scary movie before, and I saw Chucky, I've never been the same.
I don't think dolls are scary at all. I think they're ridiculous. And I don't think clowns are scary at all. So I don't know why people are scared of dolls and clowns. It makes me laugh.
They're creepy. It's like, while as we shall see, there is a lot of voodoo in Child's Play, you thought it was.
Yeah, I mean people like I can't hear you. The sound is off, the sound is significantly I have a phone.
Well, as we shall see sounds.
Perfect to me. There is so I don't understand these. Maybe everybody else got broke ears. Go ahead?
Is it working? Okay?
We sound beautiful?
Okay. So Child's Play nineteen eighty eight there is a killer, a serial killer on the loose, who is killed by a cop and he puts his soul into adult it's.
Actually Brad Dwarf aka Grima worm tongue.
Yeah, he's like a strangler, Yeah.
The Scranton Strangler.
Well do you remember we saw the new Chucky reboot in the theater?
Yeah, and it was about AI, yeah, being possessed and basically killing everybody.
Yeah, so it was scary and on point.
They were like, what if Chucky was run by Skynett?
Yeah, but this one is good old fashioned calling upon the dark powers of voodoo to put yourself into adult so that you can continue your serial killer career.
Right. Yeah, this I've never I'd never seen this. I don't know how or why. I never had an interest in Chucky. I didn't think it would be good. I didn't really get to My parents didn't let me watch horror movies in the eighties, and I didn't really want to. I was scared of horror movies, although they were all like devils me too. So now I like horror movies,
not like the really gross stuff. But now that I'm grown up and evolved and I'm an atheist and I'm not superstitious anymore, I'm not afraid of horror movies.
So I have balls, as they say, Well, now that I've seen many horror movies and going back and watching this one, from my childhood. This was a pretty good horror movie. I'll give it a solid B plus as a like, well, okay, there's that.
It's a fun eighties movie.
Yeah there's the consumerism because.
Oh yeah, I told you to make a note of that. That's right.
The cereal and the cartoon and everything is like peak eighties consumer the doll everything you have to have. He's even dressed in the clothes of the guy the dolls. The dolls called the good guys.
Right, bump bup bump bum bum bump bump bump bump, bump bump bump bumpin right, And both Gremlins and Child's Play are about to a degree consumerism. Do you remember the whole end scene where because it's all about buying the latest gadget and fad, the dad is looking for a unique present for his sons and he's a failed inventor,
remember that. So he goes and finds this like retarded Ferbee dealer in Chinatown who sells retarded, demonic Ferby's, and you know you can't get them wet, right, So he brings that home and then the end sequence of Gremlins my interpretition Grimlins, I know we're not doing Gridlins, but it's a Christmas movie. Actually is that it's about the rampant consumerism is essentially demonic, and then the whole society is has havoc reeked upon it, like the Gremlins reek upon the small town.
Yeah.
And then then in Grimlins Too, they go to the Twin Towers basically under Clamp Industries. It's Trump. It's obviously Trump, which is pretty crazy, and they wreak havoc and destroy the towers. So it's almost like a Twin Towers reference.
It's crazy. Gremlin's too, Clamp is his name instead of Trump.
Clamp. That's it. And then, uh, the last Gremlin is a transition to Grimlin, like like Tristana Lady Kremlin.
That's funny.
Well, it's no, it's literally a transition to Gremlin because of it's a boy gremlin who puts on. No, it's a boy gremlin who puts on That's how it ends anyway. So that's about consumerism, and this is also about that indirectly, because everybody is obsessed with these toys and they're almost like replacement father figures. So the kid in this movie has no father and they speak of the toy as if it's he treats the toy like his replacement father figure.
And uh, did you notice there's crazy he's making breakfast, he's putting sugar on top of sugar cereal.
Yeah, there's all these references to the CONSUMERI as pop culture stuff. Yeah, and then the it's sugar cereal.
Literally do you remember Country crocs spread.
Family? I know it didn't go away.
Food. Please don't ever eat, buy or eat that. Our family ate it too.
I'm sorry.
I know that will kill you. No more Country.
I mean, it's not even like Margarine. Right, it's another third thing, butter Margarine third thing.
Somebody said, who's Jamie?
This is my wife? This is my wife. That's a joke. What dog feelings hert It's a joke. Come on, we're on a live stream.
It's a little dude's birthday and she's a single mom and she had to buy the cursed doll from a film the Peddler because she couldn't afford the new doll remember, And then oh have you ever heard of lol dolls?
Is that like brats?
Kind of? But there's these crazy new things that if you put him in hot water, they show their underwear and stuff.
No, yeah, lol, dolls, I'm just used to playing with brats.
Oh do you remember, like you were saying, the dollis' replacement family dad. That's like last Action Hero.
That's what I was going to say, is that Arnold in the movie they make it clear that he's a replacement dad figure. He even Arnold even says that about the movie because it's a Mada movie. Really good. By the way, Tristana said, Margarine is motor oil. The whole chat thing now that you're mad at me over the joke. When I said this, they said, I'm sleeping outside tonight.
I don't care.
It's a joke. Obviously.
Have you ever noticed that the well meaning friend always gets killed?
That's that well, I thought, not always, because.
In a horror movie, if you're like the person's best friend and you offer to do something for them, that last task is going to cost you your life in most horror and this is what happened.
My whiteboard has its own profile and it says that if I tell you, don't your feelings hurt, it's like throwing a cinder block and a dryer while running source silently. Okay, I sleep alone tonight. I sleep in the doghouse every night, y'all, because we literally have a doghouse out back. It's Snoop dog House and it's like all pen It's a giant doghouse that's pimped out and Snoop Doggs sleeps there and it's called the doghouse.
Have you seen the guy who made a dog living room for his dogs. It's pretty cute.
That's rampant consumerism. Yeah, consumerism goes crazy when the pets are treated like humans and given houses and spas and pedicures and like nipple replacement or whatever the pets are given. I made up that last one. You didn't even catch it. I was reading nipple replacement, so she doesn't even listen to what I say. I just showed you, guys. I ran a test and I listed things and I said, nipple replacement. You're like, who, pretty sure dogs don't get
nipple replacement. The rich ones came, my whiteboard is literally a wife, so my whiteboard has its own profile and it's here, go ahead.
The doll makes the kid take him to the ghetto and find his serial killer.
Partner so that he can kill the serial killer partner.
As the doll Yeah, Eddie Caputo isn't that.
But what doesn't make sense about this scene is why does he even Oh, that's right, because he thinks that the Voodoo guy can save him. Because I was thinking, yeah, like he's got he's he's found the perfect escape as a villain. Nobody's ever going to find him inside of a chucky So why does he even care about killing this guy? And then I realized it's because he thinks
he's going to be human again. Yeah, and then he has to take care of If he takes care of his of the guy, well he's a doll, then then he's he's good.
I just thought it was weird they had seal serial killer partners. Why because you always think of them working alone, but when.
You do Dave McGowan, Yeah, like partner exactly. That's a good point. Yeah, serial killers are usually working in a team or repairs, not random loan nuts.
And his house has like crazy serial killer art murals remember that part, And we were looking at the serial killer art they always have.
Yeah, so when they go to Brad Dorf's house, it looks like the artwork of John Wayne Gacy and or Jack of working with like voodoo. Yeah, and he's got a giant voodoo mural babies of like yeah, and he's got it. Nothing had like cannibalist stuff in it.
No, it has the creator God Dumbala on it, that's right.
And it was some yeah deity from voodoo.
Right. So then he goes to the voodoo mentor's house and it was like, how do I get out of this doll? Remember? Like what happened to me?
Yeah, it's like, yeah, basically you asked me to do it, but you didn't ask me if I could turn you back. It's like sorry, bro.
So then he gets revenge on his guy.
You would have think you would, You would assume he would have asked, right, like beforehand? You know, is this reversible? Right? It's kind of like it's kind of like getting your male member removed.
He's turning into uh, like a human doll hybrid, and so he has to get his soul out of the doll. That's right, because he's becoming more like a Yeah, he's becoming a real boy in a dull body.
Serial killer Pinocchio, Yes, exactly.
Serial. So he calls on Chango and Santaia Macombe and tries to invoke all his God's suppost soul into the kid.
Okay, So now, uh, this is a perfect setup for a joke, uh serial killer Pinocchio. So take the name Pinocchio and turn it into uh serial killer.
But it has to have like Ochio Pinocchio, Lee Ray, Charles Pinocchio.
No, like what serial killer name? Does Pinocchio sound like? Is there a serial killer with?
Oh? John Wayne Pinocchio doesn't sound like Pinocchio stalker? No?
Like does any Nobody understands what I'm saying? Am I the only person who gets Am I the only one that gets me?
You want of Pinocchio?
I'm like a teen and I'm the only one that gets me.
Whose name sounds like?
I'm looking at the serial killers.
Zodiacs?
No, that doesn't work, So Sam Damer Bundy, No Manson Ramirez, Uh, David Pinocchio Ray, David Parker Ray. That one's pretty close.
The piece stands for Pinocchio. Well, in this movie, his name is Charles Lee Ray. So he has the triple serial killer name.
Pinocchio Del Toro, serial killer, Pierre Pacchiani. He's the Monster of Florence Pierre Pinocchio. Alright, this is too dumb, I thought there would be an easy one, but no, John Wayne Pinocchio.
Just make it totally family.
Like Manson. Yeah, they're getting worse and worse. I'm sure the chat can help. I mean, somebody in the chat can come up with a what kind of serial killer is Chucky? Anyway? I'm sorry, this is I'm derailing and destroying everything.
The movies almost over because she has to.
Oh the other the other thing I was thinking is that what if this is just a crazy thought. What if toys are vood because we think of voodoo dolls, right, like little dolls. What if mass consumption pop toy culture is voodoo. What if the toy companies are literally like trying to I mean, it's entirely possible. There's occultis everywhere. What if the heads of the toy companies are like doing what they think is voodoo with toys.
Chuck, No, that's the best one you're gonna get. What Chucknocchio? I like it.
I don't get it. Chuck.
Who Manson instead of Chucky and Pinocchio? Chuck nought?
I was trying to figure out who the serial killer is? Whosuck? I like that? Chuck Manson, Chucky Manson Chucky Manson.
Okay, all right, I give up.
I can't think of any.
Well, Shackie Matsen got burned in the fireplace, still didn't die, and they had to shoot him, and like, who's gonna believe me that a doll is attacking all these people? Do you remember?
Well, the more I think about it now, I'm starting to think that is the meaning of Child's play. That it's it's the whole thing is voodoo, and that the way that the shaman has his voodoo dolls is the way that it's like the corporations are the corporate shamans, and they've given everyone their voodoo dolls to put them on our spell.
Yeah, look at all the barbies and the brats.
Rats and all the lol dolls. Remember when was it was it American Girl? Do you remember when that came out? When those are really popular? Ten years ago? They even had stores in like the rich side of the of town, and they were expensive girl dolls. And I remember somebody was pointing out out that they started turning their stars in inverted pentagram.
Oh, good point. They were supposed to be like the wholesome dolls, the anti brats and stuff.
There was something about it where somebody was saying that. I mean, I may just be remembering wrong. So maybe I'm thinking of brats and I'm confusing it with that, but I don't remember.
You know, you're right about the American Girls Stark. So ever since then, I knew.
Charles Whitman Chucky Whitman dolls had.
Some evil in them, because what was that whole trilogy about that stupid doll conjuring with the man.
But the cond and that's part of conjuring. You're right, Yeah, I actually liked the conjuring. Those are pretty good. But I can't I don't know what to think about dam Lorraine Warren kind of they seemed like I can't like, are are they serious or they boom or con people? Look, I can't figure it out, remember, I mean, I like having that, but I haven't really investigated ed Lorraine Warrens. So I'm sure somebody out there and like knows the whole you know, down low. But so yeah, so i'd
never seen Chucky and it was it was fun. It was fun to watch with you. It was I guess what I expected. Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting.
Several sequels.
Well, I was gonna say, every one of these tonight is like a franchise. Yeah, so I guess in a sense they all ended up being successful and capitalized on this goofy genre.
We bought the four most classic Halloween.
Franchises, I think, Yeah, except we've already kind of done Halloween. So we did Halloween last year, so so you want to do we got to move through it.
Okay, same year as Child's Way, So this is a big year for nineteen eighty eight had two good horror movies.
By the way, I may be wrong about the American Girl thing. I just can't remember. There was something about it I remember seeing, but it was like ten years ago.
I think you're right. Uh.
If I'm wrong, then I'm talking about brats and I'm mixed up.
But so Hellraiser two nineteen eighty eight. Clive Barker a ritual magician, and we all know that the what's that called the.
Limit configure, the Lament configuration.
That's a cube of Saturn, which is Kronas.
You're in the doghouse now because you will never remember that. Jamie has never remembered the hell Razor Saturn cube.
I can't remember what it's called. Lament configuration.
So that's better than the Lamont configuration. Lamarty, Sanford is son. Sanford's son is called Lamont.
Oh, I don't know them.
You didn't even know the sanfordance On song. It's like the most famous TV theme song of all I played in. She was like, what is that song? Like, you don't know the sanfordance On song?
Every Yeah, Okay, so we're gonna do Howards or two because Helards aer one is just bringing the gooey band back basically from the dead. So to get you caught up, it was, uh dad, a step mom and a daughter. Stepmom's cheating with uncle Uncle dies got a raisin from the dead with by feeding in people.
Right, somebody take the Hell Raiser box and put Lamont's face on it. That would be funny and call it the Lamont configuration.
Anyway, So this is where we get to meet Pinhead as a human who is like on Safari or something, and he was messing with the box and he opened the gate.
Right. Yeah, So if you remember part two is the woman from part one she went to Hell and now she's back to terrorized. But isn't she raised by the the guy who's a psychiatrist and a Crolean.
There's so much altar and krole in this.
This I didn't expect that. So actually the best of these in this this batch tonight was hell Raiser two, and it was the one that I least expected to actually find a significant amount of information and stuff in.
Yeah, so this is when it immediately after Hell Raiser one, the girl, the daughter wakes up in a psychic psychiatric hospital. Right, we have such show you. I like to think of Pinhead as just like an Emo teen and then everything he says just sounds a lot.
More goofy what we have such tea to show you?
Yes, the Seven Wonders say it like that.
The Seven Sins that cenobites use the Seven Sins to get their prey, and you can combat that with the Seven Winners. I'm dry So no, no, I remember whish Master. That's another Clive Barker.
But yeah, so let's get into this with there's a crazy brain surgery scene where they're talking about the brain is labyrinth and the surgeons have to see it because they are like curious sociopaths that just have to open up the body to investigate and see what's going on inside.
Yes, this operates consistently on the macro micro principles, So things that are small are little magical images and models of the large or the real. So just like in Chucky, voodoo dolls are little, you know, magical representations of the thing they're supposed to represent. In Hell Raiser two, there's all these references to the maze. At the beginning is the person's brain that they are, that that crazy m
kilter doctor is experimenting on. And then the lament configuration turns into a little maze which is also the the shape of Leviathon, who is a giant cube pyramid thing that is black that sends out the black light of Lucifer.
It's like a triangle geometric.
That's a cute. It's two. It's not a triangle, it's well, it's a pyramid and a pyramid. It's like the ethereum logo, Yes, stretched out.
We even wrote that down. He's ether. So so in the Psychic ward with the protagonist, girl is another little girl who's been there and she's like a genius at solving puzzles, who the doctor has kidnapped basically and made her to solve all the puzzles because he's obsessed with this lament configuration.
Well, and he's studying the spiritual insights that gifted kids have at puberty.
Remember, yes, And then we find out there's another level of crazy people down below. They're really crazy that he's been experimenting on and making them work on the boxes.
For him, like the Tristan level of Schizoh.
Yes, so yeah. Hall is a massive labyrinth with Levithon at the center. There's Frank and Julia from the first movie Cheat and Frank came back to life. Pinhead and Cenobites are servants of Leviathon.
And these are all humans who basically what happens we realize we learn is that when they trick you to come to hell World, they lure you with what is equivalent of the seven Deadly sins, right, so they lure you with pleasures with wealth and oh you know, Hell is your greatest desires met. You know, it's beyond your dreams and all this stuff. That's why Penned's always showing you you have such sights to show you, right, and
he's like, your pleasure, what is your pleasure? And then when you get there, you find out that you're the pain,
which is their pleasure. So the demons, they're basically demons who cert well they're humans who are servants now of the Giant Demon Cube pyramid, and they their job is to trick you to come to help, and they'll do all kinds of things like they use the seven Deadly Sins, lost, greed, whatever power and they offer it more, which is interest because they claim that they can bring you back, right, but you have to serve them. If you come back and you have you're not human anymore. That's why you
have to put on a flesh suit. So you're like a demon who has to be reclothed basically, which is very gooey, very sticky. A lot of a lot of sticky, gooey things in this. It's pretty gross.
Yeah. Uh. The doctor keeps occult things and has two pictures of this was crazy and a sigil and like Egyptian stuff and more boxes.
Remember, so uh yeah, what we didn't expect was that when you go to the crazy mental Doctor's psychiatric doctor's private room, it's a ritual room where he does ritual magic. And he's got a picture of Crowley. Two pictures of Croley, one doing the you know whatever, and then one of him doing the Hypocrates thing, and he's got a sigil of something I can't really tell what it is. And then he's got this mattress where he does his who knows what. So I'm gonna warn you at not recommending
watch this movie. If you do watch it, when you get to the scene, skip past it. It's probably the grossest, one of the grossest things, because he brings in a crazy dude who cuts himself. It's pretty gross and I don't like gross stuff, so we skip past that part. If you do want to watch this movie, skip past. I'm not recommending it. But the thing about Hell Razor two is that it was, in a sense pretty accurate.
I mean, did I wouldn't have expected Clive Barker, who is a Skittles satanist, like openly, like he's into ritual magic, Like he's kind of telling the truth here. It's weird. It's like these cenobytes are demons and they trick you into coming to Hell world through the you know, seven deadly sense and when you get there and they're like, You're like, where's my chicks? And they're like, we have such pain to show you right now. Now. They're like hah,
we tricked you. Now we're going to torture you and feed on your pain.
Yeah.
So it's like literally what demons would do, right, But.
There's something that like that doctor got transformed and he was all ecstatic about it.
So yes, so the doctor is experimenting because he wants to learn the secrets of magic and the other dimensions in the other worlds, which is pretty crazy. And so I forgot this. There's all these references to mc escher. So there's these references to other dimensions, higher dimensions, other worlds which are spiritual worlds, so to speak. And we know that the Lament configuration cube can open the portals. They're like keys to opening the dimensions.
Oh so I've found out by looking. They don't tell you this in the movie, but the box, I mean, in the whole series, they tell you that the boxes were created by a diabolical murderer or a sadistic toymaker, depending on the comic or the movie version. And apparently there's like two hundred of these things floating around, two hundred keys to the portals of Hell.
Yes, so I don't recommend So number one is a different kind of movie. It's all takes place basically in one house and in the attic where they're feeding this dude people so that he can evolve from goo into a person. It's very gooey. Hell Raiser two is more about Pinhead and the cenobites and this crazy m Kilder doctor. But it's got a couple of pretty gross scenes.
So again, she is dripping blood everywhere in one scene.
Yeah, so when she comes back, she doesn't have skin, and so then she tricks the doctor into feeding her mental patience so that she can get their skin back, and she like sucks on their like glands, or she does something in the back of their neck. I don't know what's back there.
But oh so in the end of this whole story, like at the end of all the hell Raisers, apparently the door to holl is finally closed in twenty one twenty seven by transforming a space station into a giant puzzle box.
You know what, I actually I remember I think I've seen the hell Razor in space. It's oh really it's terrible, but yeah, I think I did see that. I remember that a long time ago.
Make sure if you even look at this movie to fast forward, because I put in the note worst love scene I've ever seen, sad face?
So, which which was the scene?
I think I've forgotten it out of my like pushed it out of my brain. But it was probably pretty bad.
She might have been, Oh, it's because she's gooey. Yeah, so yes, I looked at it. I looked the way. It doesn't show any sex parts, but this chick is gooey. Dude, like drippy. I'm talking about like like dripping. I don't mean in a sexual way, I mean just literally like nugat, like hot nugat, hot steaming nugat, dripping out of a freaking snicker.
Dude, Well, did you notice you? He said, you have to want the pleasures of the box for them to come, because even if you solve the box, the person that wanted to meet them is the one they're going to go after.
This is what I don't understand about the box. So they need the kids to open the box.
The docks. The doctor, the curly doctor needed the kid to open the box. But when this sinem because I don't know, he wasn't good enough to do it. He couldn't figure out how to open him.
Oh, because you need a little spurgy genius to do the Rubik's cube. Okay, that makes it so. Actually the Spurgy kids know how to solve the Rubik's cube, and they are the they're the key to open the portal because the doctor he's not smart enough to solve it.
Right, So when the cinobites, when the little girl solves it and the cinebites come, they're like, we're taking him because it's him who wanted us, not the girl who actually solved.
The thing, right. She didn't know what she was doing. And then she's like Spurgy. And then when the portal opens up, they walk in and it's all the woman who's organized this because she her job is to just bring souls to Leviathan.
Right.
Now, here's the point I wanted to make about. What was interesting was that so typically you think of angels or demons as you know, these like horned figures or winged figures. And what was weird about this was that when you see Leviathan, he's just a big floating triangle cube.
He's a geometric shape.
Yeah, and it reminds me of the geometric shapes in two thousand and one when Bow is leaving the dimensions, he goes into like outside of time and space, and he starts seeing when he goes in the the black hole, he starts seeing these geometric shapes and he sees seven diamonds appear in front of him. And I actually wrote in my essay that they could signify God's or deities. And so it's just odd because I didn't remember that
this presents the demon in this geometric form. So, and the geometric form of the demon corresponds to the cube, which is interesting because right, the cube can be turned on its point and it becomes saturn, it becomes the hexagram. Yeah, and there's all the references to Esher, right, and Escher's art and paintings, I don't know. He doesn't have any paintings.
All of his drawings are dimensional based drawings. If you look at the Hofstainer book gardell As Bock, he points out how the mathematics of Esher's drawings all points to like dimensional physics.
Well, because the other site is chaotic, well.
It's slippery, so to speak, like it doesn't operate on the physics of this dimension exactly. So you can have a door that you know, cuts through space and time to another place. And that's why it's very similar to when Sarah goes into the Labyrinth. Yes, and Labyrinth. It's all also based on mc esher's dimensional art.
Well, if you notice when the Little Girl first runs into the Labyrinth, it's like evil Carnival with evil clowns and.
Well, a bunch of the d mt bros talk about the circus Funhouse carnival dimensions. Oh really, it's a recurring thing that d mt bros say they see.
That's pretty crazy. I like the chattering teeth guy the best I think, Ye, which one is your favorite cinebyite?
The fat guy that spits CDs? Oh yeah, it's so stupid. I bet afterwards he was like, all right, yeah, this one is totally retarded, So maybe just get rid of that one. That's like the worst dumbest cinebyte. So allo, the one that spits laser does pinhead.
In one of his lines, he says something kind of like what the surgeons are saying at the beginning when they're doing brain surgery is that they want to know your flesh. And so there's this connection between the doctors, the surgeons, and the demons.
Right. Well, it reminds me of the Twin Peaks. The demonic and twin peaks Bob and the man from another place. He wants his garment bosia, and that when Bob brings a bunch of blood and he drops them on the floor and he said, there you are, there's your pain
and suffering, your garment bosia. So he identifies the food as the pain and the suffering, and we know that, you know that seems to be as we were talking about with Surf and Hamilton the other night, the currency in the food of the demonic Realm is human pain and suffering. So it's almost like food, and it's like the energy cubes of the transformers is like the human
pain and suffering. That's what they feed on. And another point I wanted to make too was when they go to Lebiathan, when you go to the center of the Maze.
Of Hell, which they refer to him as the god of flesh, hunger, and desire.
Leith, Yeah, well makes sense why he would have cinobytes, right, So when you get to the to the center of the maze and he's in his cube pyramid form flowing up there he has it's like a I don't know what to discribe. It's like a demonic version of a what do you call the light that the ship's lighthouse, like a demonic version of a lighthouse. And he has this black beam that scans around like like surn or something order, and when the black beam hits you, it
like penetrates your whole being. And it just made me think of like a reverse version of theosis. So rather than being deified by the divine energies and participating in divine life, this is the demonic inversion of this that when you get to the hell world, Leviathan reverse inverse deifies you through the satanic black light. It penetrates your whole being, and then you become a cenobite. You become demonicized instead of deified.
Well, the evil Doctor got what he asked for.
Yeah, he becomes a cenobite.
Immortality through becoming a brain sucking cinema. Yes. And then yeah, the demons trick you into becoming a sacrifice for them.
Yes.
Pinhead has a thing for Kirsty, the girl who's runs in the movies Christy Cotton. Yeah. Uh, he always spares her for some reason.
Well, in this one, she shows up and somehow has a picture of him because.
She reminded him that he was human ones.
Yeah, and he was a British soldier at the time
of World War One, I think. And then he somehow got ahold of the cube and he was doing meditation and he wanted to solve the mysteries, right, So he was on this quest I guess for esoteric knowledge, and then the cube is he solves it and then gets tricked into being into Hell, right, and then he gets turned into a cenobite, so he's forgotten that he was human, and she reminded him of that with that picture, and then she let him go, and then they ended up
all the cinnobytes had to fight the crazy doctor, the evil doctor cinebite because he's like, I'm taking over Hell now, right, yeah, like you do? But he actually they so they turn human again, the cenobites and die. Yeah.
Yeah, and one of them was a little boy or something like. It wasn't what you would expect.
But I don't understand. So one thing I didn't get was why does where does Penn had come back? If he's been turned into a human and killed, does he still go to Hell? That would suck, right, I don't know.
Maybe the other Hellraisers take place in a different time.
I don't know. I think we're just supposed to think that when he dies, he goes to Hell and then he's just turned into Pinhead again because in the third one, which is terrible, he comes back as Pinhead memory. No, we watched like minutes, Yes, but we didn't because there's that pull the art post with all the faces on it, Yeah, which becomes the new portal. Yeah, and so the artist that one's one thing that is interesting about that one,
which is terrible. I don't recommend it at all, but it's an artist who basically has a deal with Pinhead or and the demons to be successful as an artist, but he has to bring sacrificial victions to Pinhead.
Yeah. Yeah, howras What do you.
Think is that the end? What's at the end? On the notes?
They were once human? She closes the portal to Hell, but they don't believe her to destroy the mass.
There was one other thing about the who is the blonde check? Was that in the third one?
No, this was the second one. No, the blonde girl was a prisoner of the evil doctor who found out she was good at puzzles. So he's the.
Person who ends up looking like it's she meets Pinhead in his human form in the dream realm? Is that part three?
Oh yeah, that's fir okay.
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This, do you want to save the next two for like maybe a.
Couple of days, So yeah, you know, I think we should. Yeah, We'll do the super chats and then we'll do which ones are left. Night Maroll on Elm Street Friday thirteenth. Then and what.
That's it? Well, a little bit of Halloween two thousand and seven, but we had to turn that off.
Maybe we'll pick Yeah, that one's too gruesome, So maybe we'll pick another eighties horror movie that we didn't do. So I saw some trailer information stuff for like Freddy two and three. Even though they looked terrible, they actually looked interesting and similar to the hell Raiser thing Freddy, because Freddy brings you to like the hell world, the dream world.
Freddy two is really weird and it has its own yea following because it's a Skittles. There's a lot of inuns that they call it the.
I remember watching two or three where they can't get out of the dream world and it kind of creeped me out.
Back in the nineties, well, the new reboot Freddy they did with the guy from Watchman Ruschak, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he played Freddy and he wasn't a killer at all. He was falsely accused by the parents or something like that. He was a slow boy that just liked kids. I don't remember if he actually did it or not.
Okay, I wish to watch those and put that in there instead.
Because it's Jason Halloween. Yeah, that's next Friday the thirteenth. We're going to do that.
But Jamie had never seen the first one, so she didn't know that the first one wasn't about Jason. Huh.
Yes, the twist surprised me because it's a lot like Psycho.
That's why everybody likes the first Friday thirteenth because it's a twist, okay, and then it gets goofy and goofyer and goofyer with So if you thought Michael Myers was bad, like Jason is the ultimate, like dude, like, how many times can this guy die? It's like over the top.
There's one of them. I think it's like part four or five, where like the whole movie is basically just dying and he's still after like like he falls off a tractor and gets run over and he you know, gets blown up and and he doesn't stop.
Just kidding, right, So we're gonna do Stephen.
King movies, Yes, the good and the bad and more bad than good. There's plenty of awful Stephen King movies, and.
We're gonna do b movies that we're good.
Yeah, as you know, we do good bad movies, right, Golden Trash, B horror that was good. Yeah. B movies with a message, one of which is Spellbinder by the way. Yeah, well if you're looking for a B version, Eyes White Shut Spellbinder.
Yeah, and we might do like Trolls and Leprechaun just for fun. Yeah. Someone said Leprechaun with Snoop Dogg. That sounds fine.
Lepre Control are also yeah, classic kind of garbage movies.
So yeah, so now you can do October with us Stephen King and b Horn.
Do you want to get to these super chaps? Yep, So there's this one.
Here, okay, Supreme gentlewoman five dollars. Jim Goad continuously claims you backed out of a debate on the truth of Christianity. He asserts great apologists like yourself refuse to debate him because of his ma AQ. Is there a chance we could see this debate happen? Thanks Shane.
So, uh, the reason we didn't debate was because we had an email exchange. If I recall maybe five or ten emails back and forth over whether the word eternal covenant means that the Old Testament is an eternal covenant and therefore there could never be a new covenant. So we spent about ten emails going back and forth about that, and his interpretation was had no flexibility or allowance for news, So I didn't think there would be any point in
having that debate. But no, it had nothing to do with saying that he had a low IQ or anything like that. I just didn't think the debate would go anywhere given the rigidity that he had about a couple of verses dealing with the Old Testament. So I just didn't think there would be any point in that debate. Had nothing to do with anybody's like you.
Okay, the green Feathers ten dollars, I hate Halloween stores and destiny. Check out the video I uploaded on Orthodox fasting. Where's that.
In the chat? Assuming means his channel? Oh green Feather's channel, I presume.
Okay, Brian Gumbel two dollars spectacular stream Jay, what you think about destiny saying suppositionalists suck because two people debating who claimed to have morality from God can't get anywhere in the debate. Elemo, Well, this.
Is just a misunderstanding, as many kind of basic bitch atheists have about what presubsitionalism is right. They think that it means that you just have presubpositions and nobody can debate presubpositions. That's, of course not what the debate or presubsitionalism is. In fact, the transmittal argument is a formal logical argument, right. You can put it into a disjunctive X as a necessary condition of why why therefore X. So that's just not what presubsitionalism is.
Nicodemus three dollars, Hey, j are you going to do an analysis of squid game? Could get mad views considering its popularity. Don't want to spoil it, but has some stuff suitable for your film analysis.
I don't know what that is.
That's a brand new show that's going super popular about as far as I can tell, kind of like Logan's Run or what's the one with the games the Hunger not Handinger games?
But like where you have to Yeah, okay, yeah, cool, Yeah, I'll check it out. Sounds cool. I don't know about it.
Go ahead, okay, McKay The King of Mikhail, the King of Kings. Five dollars? What up? King Jay and Queen Jamie God bless Jay in regards to your thearine action figures being used for the forces of black Magic. Check out the Clive Barker Tortured Soul series that Todd McFarlane put out for children to purchase in toy stores. Okay there, Clive Barker Tortured Souls. Okay, Yeah.
And Tom McFarlane is the guy that did Spawn, which is one of the worst movies of all time.
And the first weird stuff I did that I don't sell anymore. I talk a lot about toys. Yeah, you know one. Roger Cheetah Kennedy, Leon Kennedy, you both are awesome. Can you recommend any philosophical books on the difference between the correspondence, utilitarian and coherence model of truth and why coherence is superior? Also, I heard Bruce Campbell has been doing more YouTube stuff. Thanks.
So Bruce Campbell did reply to the email. He said he was just too busy at the time to come on, but we would like to probably try again, maybe in a few months and see if he would come back and or actually come on right since he has been doing that. So that's a great idea. Really, the best thing would be just the bonjour text on epistemology. So
that's an introduction book that Father Deacon recommends. It's used in graduate undergraduate philosophy classes for epistemology one oh one, and that will give you the different positions on truth and coherence. Theory is just true in one aspect, so we're not as presuppositionalists bound to a secular theory have coherence. It's just that they have some good critiques of the correspondence and foundationalist views. K Roger Chido, that's an awesome name.
Roger Cheeto twelve dollars. Who wins in a sax Off Sweaty sax Man from Lost Boys or Bill Pullman.
In Lost Highway, Fred Madison or Tim Capello. Tim Capello wins because Tim Cappello literally doesn't care about anything. If you can wear a literal chain around your neck like a dolt, like a like a chain link chain with giant padlocks and spandex and be oiled up and play
a saxophone, yeah, like you don't care, dude. And the problem with Fred Madison is that he is cucked and cares about everything, Like he's freaking out over just thinking that his wife might be cheating, and he basically has a meltdown playing the Sacks, So I mean, who does that? Tell you? Right? There is gonna win. Tim Capello.
He's like twice his size too, so yeah, yeah, Russian Messenger five dollars. Great work you two are making. Keep it up, Jay and Jamie. God bless thank you, bless you.
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