Split - Occult Symbolism - Jay Dyer (Half)

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We know that from the printing press of the film. Real mediums of mass communication have always been weaponized and used as the main vehicles for propaganda and culture creation. And, along with the school system dead set on churning out obedient servants to the management, last movies and media act is the pacifiers that make many people just content enough

Thank you, Greg. Always a pleasure. I'm glad to be back.

We had a really good time last time talking about science fiction and propaganda, and I'm sure this.

Will be equally as exciting.

Yeah, man, I really loved that last episode.

I think we also focused a lot on Ian Fleming and the Bond films. Interstellar was pretty fresh at that time too, exactly.

And I also really enjoyed this new book of yours.

And maybe a good place to start with that is that one of the first sections is called film as Ritual, which is provocative. But how closely related do you think film and ritual really are? How are they similar?

Well, the idea of ritual could be many things, right, I mean, we generally think of it as a kind of religious ceremony that has some connection to deities or the divine or the celestial, And in modern parlance, I guess we've kind of disconnected the idea of theater and plays and acting from that milieu. But that's actually where it comes from. You know, if you go back to ancient Greece, the idea of Sophocles, of antigony of the theater was bound up with the idea of the gods

The Iliad, all of that.

And so what I tried to do was kind of go back to that ancient perspective and get a window into that. And I did a lecture I think about a year ago or maybe two years ago on Plato's Ion, which is a dialogue that not many people are aware of.

Io In is the name of the dialogue.

And it's a conversation that Socrates has with some poets and musicians and they're saying, hey, Socrates.

Like, you don't know what truth is, man.

You think it's all this philosophizing and analytical stuff and it's inspiration, that's the true truth. And Socrates says, no, you guys are actually just kind of Dionysian madmen. He says, you're He says, you're inspired by these spirits and conceivably, you know, there is evidence to suggested in ancient Greece they actually were perhaps taking callucinogens and narcotics and things like this. So it's entirely possible that the in the arts and musicians and so forth poets were under the

So that's what I start with.

That's why I start as film as ritual, because acting in the ancient world was ritual.

Yeah, man, I love it that idea that theater and the practice of acting out those mythological stories is like an attempt to draw down the power of those entities. Yeah, it's it's deep stuff, and it's like pretty out there I think for a lot of people. But I mean it makes sense. And do you think that there is a bit of that drawing down of the spirits going on in modern filmmaking as well?

Well?

Many of the A listers are openly into method acting. So again, I'm not saying that I can prove that they actually do it, or that they're possessed or anything like that, But what I'm saying is that they believe and act upon the philosophy of Constantine Stanislowski, which was occulting in nature, and so he really thought that you could have an alternate persona step in and take over your persona.

So that's the goal.

Now, whether they actually do that as I'm sure debatable, but I mean, how many times have we seen people, for example, if they have a bad trip, right, and the story is that, you know an Apocalypse Now, who is a Martin Sheen right? I mean he's supposed to be really tripping when he goes crazy in that scene, famous scene in Apocalypse Now, So again this is method acting.

Yeah, it's crazy.

I mean we've talked on the show about the idea of alternate personalities. I mean, this happens a lot in Hollywood and music. I mean, so many actors don't even use their real name, which is kind of strange. I

Was that he used.

Very weird that they do that at all, And it kind of connects to this idea of being more of a vessel for various personalities or taking on various personas.

So I think you're onto something.

Well, a lot of people think that that's not real, and I will fully admit that in the case of oh pop stars and things like that, that it's entirely possible that a lot of it's just marketing. Right, So maybe when there's going to be a new Beyonce album or you know, David Bowie or whoever, they're going to take on a new marketing persona of Zegge, Star Dust or Sasha Fears or whatever. So it's entirely possible that that is marketing. But I also have read a lot

To all appearances, it appears to be real.

I don't see how all of these people could be all faking this, So I tend to think it's real. Now how developed that is in terms of can they literally call forth all these.

Different persons through trigger words and keywords?

You know, this is actually the plot of this new Shamelain movie, which I thought was.

Actually really good. Yeah Split Split and Yeah. I went and saw that. I thought it was great. I enjoyed it. I tend to think that. I mean, obviously that's a little bit.

Hollywooded up, but if you read a book like Switching Time, you know, it seems to line up pretty clear.

What's that?

And I would say that that would be my suspicion as to what really goes on.

But do I know if Britney has multiple personalities?

She acts pretty loony sometimes and as she looks like there's these different personas. So I wouldn't be surprised in her case because I have seen some interviews where she does seem to act very goofy and change her.

Personality totally right.

I've seen people have freak outs on drugs where it's not just then freaking out, like it appears to me that somebody else was running that machine. The ghost in the machine was switched out, there was some other ghosts in there.

Yeah, I mean, I definitely think there's something to this for sure. Again, I agree with you like it's about determining to what degree, but yeah, there's something to it for sure.

And I'm curious do you see.

Film being good vehicles for occult aims outside of invocation? Are there other things in that occult esoteric toolbox that are being manifested through film?

Are there good aspects? Sure? Sure?

I don't think you know all the films are nefarious or propaganda. You know, several chapters in my book are kind of lighthearted and goofy and satirical, so that they're not really to be taken, you know, too seriously. I think the Logan's Run and the Zardag chapters are pretty I mean, there's some deep dark stuff in those films, but for the most part, they're just kind of fun and satirical sci fi versions of like Plato's Allegory the Cave.

But to clarify, and i'd i'd say good vehicles, but I don't mean good in a moral sense. But I'm more curious if you see films acting as useful mechanisms for other occult aims besides the invocation aspects we talked

Okay, I see what you're saying. I have seen.

My buddy John brought this to my attention. John Adams over at Hoostbusters. He said, if you look at the book, I forget the title of it off the top of my head, but I did look it up. Gregory Bateson, who is one of the sort of MK ultra guys in the background, he wrote a book where he did actually talk about capturing man's imagination, and he saw that the need to control creativity and imagination was very important for social engineering because in my view, this is really

Mm hmm, yeah, man, Disney is quite a force, and I really do enjoy people break down Disney films. Sometimes it goes too far, I will admit. And I actually checked out some of the songs on YouTube from that new one Mona and I guess the Rock plays a demigod character. I assume from Hawaiian mythology. I think that's what it's all about. And there is a line in one of his songs where he describes making the world and at one point he says, I killed an eel,

It's an interesting point. I haven't followed much Disney stuff or kids stuff in general. I tend to focus on more well, at least in the first book you know that I did. It was mainly things that I grew up with, you know, Spielberg movies, Hitchcock movies, James Bond Kubrick, things that I watched growing up in high school and stuff like that. But I'm sure that, yeah, you could definitely go a whole other rabbit hole, you know, into kids films and all.

The programming and stuff like that.

And but again, I think that the main tool of what they do with the kids films is promote mindless sort of rebellion, promote wells. As you mentioned, they're sort of the capturing of the imagination and turning it to really just the service of the system. I mean, you know, Disney, for example, was for a long time involved in promoting government propaganda and military recruitment.

That was a big part of what Disney himself stood for.

He had access to and worked at the Laurel Canyon Studios, you know, where they did all these secret Air Force films and so forth that I discussed in the book that comes from Dave McGowan's work. So, yeah, that is a good question. I mean, only the kids aspect of something that could be explored more. But I mean I've seen all kinds of dastardly stuff from Nickelodeon and MTV, and you know that I think is genuinely intended to have negative effects on your children.

I mean, the whole goal of all of it is a depopulation.

Yeah, I mean it could be a stretch, but I've even heard people talking about the sliming of kids on Nickelodeon being you know, symbolic of semen.

I mean, that might.

Be a stretch, but I'm like, that is kind of kind of creepy too when you think about it in that context.

But let's get into Spielberg a little bit.

You write about them a decent amount in esoteric Hollywood, breaking down several of his movies, and if there were a larger, semi organized machine behind Hollywood, Spielberg would have to be involved. So when you look at the totality of his films, do you see an over arching aim or agenda that becomes more clear?

Yeah, I think you could boil down like probably three major themes that Spielberg deals with. He deals with holocaust, he deals with familial relations, and he deals with aliens. That's the three things that he's focused on. So what I folks, well, alien slash transhumanism and so forth. So what I focused on in my book was the alien and transhuman myths and stories that he's focused on and so he interestingly does have a penchant for Philip K. Dick, who I think is very fascinating as a writer and

What is Spielberg all about?

Was I said, aliens and transhumanism, And I think those two things are linked. For one, because I personally am not convinced that there's like extra biological entities. But I think that if you watch movies like ET and then you watch something like his version of or the Worlds, the cold calculated scientistic approach that the so called aliens have sure does seem to match up to the cold calculated scientistic approach of the deep state and the military

Is more like a familiar spirit than he is like an alien. That's why he has this.

Very strange bonded connection with Elliott. And you know when Et gets drunk and burbs, Elliot's drunk and belching. Right, Yeah, this is very very weird stuff going on there.

But yeah, man, and this is exactly what I wanted to get into because I love that ET analysis and it's it's so interesting you talk about in the film Meet You mentioned the shadow government researcher in the movie is named Keys, and that it's a reference to the Key of Solomon. And let's get into this bit. What is the significance there is that message part of the uh subtly saying that Et is a familiar spirit or a demon rather than a space alien.

I would say so because you look at what his so called powers are, and they again, they match up much closer to something like a familiar spirit supposedly than it does any sort of quote alien. It's almost as if Elliott invokes Et to come and they have this. It's almost like Et is his higher self or his

I think that's suggestive. It's not definitive, but it's suggestive.

And so the Peter Coyote character, that's the guy who's playing keys. He shows up at the beginning and then he pops up later at the end, and he's actually this sort of mysterious almost angelic government figure. He's turns out to be a good guy because he's opening up all of these scenarios at least That's how I read it, And actually I think Roger Ebert says something similar to that in his book The Great Movies when he looks

But the actual guy, Peter.

Coyote, interestingly, was a hardcore Marxist and he was a big time sort of activist quote unquote and in terms of Marxism and cultural revolution.

So you know, I think that's potentially suggest I'm.

Not saying he is an occultist or anything like that, for sure, but it's just interesting that, you know, you don't see this guy in a lot of movies, and Spielbert chooses him for this role. I don't know why, but ultimately I think what ET is was the propagation of a rebranding of the alien mythology for a generation

Wells. And that's why Spielberg chooses things like war the.

World's Fascinating Man. And I love that Et example. I remember when I was a kid. You even note the fact that Et glows as maybe an element of him being more of a familiar. And I remember when I was young, I was like, why does this thing glow?

It just doesn't look right.

Thought it was awkward, But it makes the point that maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a spiritual entity rather than something from space.

Yeah, And I think that the planetary connections that we see in the film also suggest planetary deities, right, and this is kind of how the Key of Solomon and our ancient mythology would have viewed et and the gods quote unquote.

I also like the thing that you point out that the government agents arrive in NASA's space suits in the movie, and that is so weird. Why would you be in a space suit anywhere but space? But it is, it's in there.

Yeah, I've always thought that was odd. And so how do we read this, how do we make sense of this? Well, once we have a broader perspective of things like Kubrick and we realized that Kubrick was working with NASA, which I touch on in the book, and you know, if we've seen the work from say Jay Wiedener on Kubrick and the moon landings and that theory, I think that especially given the fact that Spielberg took over Kubrick's script ai, you know, and changed it to aliens and stuff like this,

When we look at other nods.

And instances in films that I touch on in the book, like Diamonds Are Forever. Well, there's a scene where, you know, James Bond runs onto a movie set where they're filming the Moonlighting.

Yeah, I love it, man. And you also even note the similarities and titles between ET and that Kubrick Spielberg collaboration of AI, and you say that it could be a mystigogical code for the origins of advanced artificial technology as channeled from inter dimensional alien gods. Great sentence, and I love that idea. I've been hearing it more and more that technology comes from connections to entities like Prometheus

I do think that that's possible, and that's I believe that, not just because of you know, some kind of weird thesis or something I dreamed up, but actually, when you go into the history of philosophers or sort of pioneers of modern technology, you can look at characters like Descartes. You can look at somebody like John d was of course interested in alchemy and things like that too, BUTNZ GW. Leibniz, the famous continental philosopher who's the co founder of calculus

And so.

I think we have nascent in the mythology a lot of the hints and primeval. I mean, you could almost argue that's kind of predictive programming, like ancient mythology, right, is almost a kind of primeval predictive programming for what is possible with technology and alchemy. So I know that's kind of that might be debatable, and people might howl at that and think that I'm crazy, But I mean, yeah,

I mean, right, where do our ideas come from? We don't really know.

We don't know. That's what I'm trying to say.

And that's what I was getting at earlier about you know, the psyche and splitting of the psyche and all that, is that I hold that out as a very likely thesis, much more likely than the Darwinian reductionist thesis, because you know, we don't even know what the source of our stream

Right, I mean, the idea of the muse goes back as far as artists.

Yeah.

So it's interesting, man. And to talk about AI a little bit more. It came out in two thousand and one, probably for specific reasons, but do you see its messages and themes becoming any more poignant in the decade plus since the film was made.

Absolutely.

Yeah, that's kind of why I chose that one just to be in the books, and there was.

Probably ninety two one hundred film analysis.

I had to leave out that maybe they'll make up you know, part two or three or something, But that one I.

Chose because it fit with the theme.

That I was looking at from Spielberg, you know, transhumanism and synthetic future and all this kind of stuff, synthetic dystopia basically, And so I argue that AI is a kind of transhumanist fairy tale, that what he's done is taking the Pinocchio myth and reformulated it for modernity.

And again this was taken from Kuberg.

This was actually a Kuberg screenplay that Spielberg took over an altered and of course added in aliens. Anything with Spielberg's gonna have aliens in there. But it functions, I believe, on multiple levels. So it's not just about the possibilities of AI. It's also in a nefarious sense. If you notice the David character, the AI character, he's always he's portrayed as this sort of Edenic innocent I mean, he is the future of quote humanity, but he's humanity two

Civil rights victims.

Now, twenty thirty years ago, nobody would have believed possible. Everybody would have laughed if you had said, we are entering the phase in the near future where bots and cyborgs and transhumanism and people who get you know, body mod and all this kind of stuff that's actually going to be a new civil rights slash human rights or cyborg right. Right, that is now being discussed. Right, this is where we're going. That is going to be what we talk about in the next decade twenty years, there

And there's also quite a bit of Cabbalistic influence in AI too.

Right, Absolutely, this whole idea of word magic, and this is something that I did touch on too. I forgot to mention themes in Spielberg. You mentioned themes well, Language and meaning and interpersonal communication is a huge aspect of Spielberg. That's why if you remember in close encounters. The aliens don't know how to communicate with us, so they have to eventually use sound, and you know, they decode the sound, dude,

Right. And of course Spielberg, being.

Jewish and being aware and I would say obviously familiar with Cabbalism, I think that's where he's coming from.

That's the vanished point he's coming from.

And so that's where you get to the the arguments that I make about things like using a period I period and then using E period t period. Right, these are done on purpose because letters are symbols, and they also have a lot of different meanings in Gamatria, or they can stand for different things in different schools of Cabbalism.

So where were we forgot? Where were we talking about calm in Ai? Oh oh in Ai?

Well, so, so there's word magic in Ai when his mom, David's mom says these magic words that give him consciousness. Now, I think that there's a lot of different things you might could read from that.

I would tend to stick it in the.

Gobbalistic narrative of because this is the idea of the Gollum, right, and this is Jewish mysticism, the idea of that you could use different Hebrew sounds and words and symbols to in a way be a theorist or be a creator and cause life quote unquote to be right.

She also touches buttons on his chakra points too, doesn't she.

Yes, that's a great point. She touches the back of his neck. I think if I recall and then says the magic words, and he supposedly is quote conscious, So now I don't believe that that actually we Willever create a conscious being like that, I think that will always be synthetic. It will always be in some way a kind of program. Anything that you program, it's only going

Yeah, man, I think this is so interesting, especially this idea of sci fi movies like ET and Close Encounters and War of the Worlds, this idea that they have cemented a lot of our thoughts about space and aliens in culture, even more so than real science has. And maybe it is to get us to accept demons as

I don't believe that we really know what is out there. I think that there's a lot of different theories. And just like with the psyche, you know, people try to have these definitive declarations and pronouncements about what exists and what's possible and what's not possible, and they really don't know. And I think that's a big part of the system, is giving the impression that they do know a kind

All that stuffs real.

NASA is a pr front under the aegis of the Air Force, So their number one job, that is the military, is lying.

To the public. That's what psyops is.

So you can't believe any of these declarations from NASA and just look at the fact that NASA, on the one hand promotes aliens and then turns around and tries to present itself as this totally scientific organization.

But it's not. It's a pr front. It's sentimately tied with Hollywood. That's why.

Really Scott was talking about how his movie Mars was released in tandem with NASA's supposed Mars discoveries. You know, when that last Matt Damon movie came out whenever, that was like a few months ago. James Cameron sits on the board of NASA directors. Why is this Hollywood director sitting I mean, I think that's all suggestive of deception.

I don't think that.

I mean, the entire military and GPS and logistics would all be off, everything would be working all fucked up if the Earth were flat. My dad was in the Navy, he sailed around the globe. So I think that's a whole bunch of syops and ridiculous deception. In my view, I'm fine with people questioning things. I would tend to think that there's a good case to be made for geocentrism. I think you could argue that one. But no, I don't believe that we live on a pizza crest.

Yeah.

I mean, it's just interesting because if Hollywood's big aim is to kind of control the way we think or to make us feel confident about what's beyond our atmosphere, yeah, I just wonder if it's different in any way than what's depicted in the movies. I mean, we might never know.

Well, I do believe, I do believe that. I do believe it's different than what we're told in movies. But I think that Hollywood had its main goal or role in this regard in terms of promoting things like Darwinism. And you say, well, there's not that many movies that promote Darwinism. Actually all science fiction movies do, almost all of them across the board. Two thousand and one Space Odyssey is a gospel of Darwinism. So I'm very critical

I approach it as a philosopher.

That was my you know, grad training was in analytical philosophy. So I philosophically critique Darwinism in the book, and I try to argue that, you know, when you look back to figures like H. G. Wells, who was this committed Masonic socialist, a Marxist, committed why is he the guy who's promoting you know, the new global revolution through science through evolution. I mean these people are committed liars, Yeah, openly.

Wells has, Right, I'd agree with that. And I don't know if you've seen Stranger Things on Netflix.

But yes, I did a lengthy analysis of it. Yeah.

Oh nice.

Well, what's kind of interesting about that in this context is it invokes all those eighties sci fi movies like et in Close Encounters, but yet it's very clearly about this being this entity brought through a portal via mk ultra torture.

So that's kind of interesting.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, if anybody's interested they can go to Jay's analysis. And I think there's an audio thing that I did and pretty popular written piece that I did that I don't know. I got about twenty or thirty thousand views on that, so it did really well.

It's worth checking out.

Yeah, And what I argue is that it's it combines cobblism, and it combines the idea of other dimensions portals all that.

So it's kind of obvious.

But what I found fascinating to begin with was that what sparked this in part was a lot of people in Hollywood wanting to play Dungeons and Dragons Believing or Rock. There was an article that came out in oh, I don't know, MTV or Din of Geek or one of those pop culture sites that was talking about how The Rock plays D and D weird.

So you were talking.

About The Rock earlier, and I'm not making too much out of that, but you wonder, you know, like we were talking about with actors.

Now.

I understand that D and D is a game. I used to play D and D when I was in high school. I know all about how it works and all that. But isn't it interesting that, as you were saying earlier with the idea of bringing down the gods or something like what could it also be something where people believe that they are, you know, really tapping into something. Yeah, and that's the thesis of you know, stranger Things, is that they sort of unconsciously tap into this portal, this realm through.

The D and D game.

Yeah.

Now, I don't I'm not approaching this like a fundamentalist in saying that, oh, if you play D and D You're going to like open up the gate to Hell and anything like that. But it does pose that interesting question of can we meddle with and tap into forces that are, be honest, that we don't understand.

Yeah, man, it's interesting. So what about let's another movie. Let's talk about the Goonies another Spielberg movie. Seems pretty simple and innocent enough on the surface, but there is more when you dig deeper.

Right. Yeah, I didn't make Goonies.

Didn't make it end of the book, but I wrote an analysis of it about a month ago.

And it was just one that I'd.

Always been, you know, intending to get to, and I never really got to it until I.

Was reading Chris Springmyer's book.

I read it like ten years ago and kind of forgot about it, and I got that back out and I was looking at that, and his chapter on the Asters made me think, now, wait a minute, Goonies is

So that was interesting.

So I wasn't sure how to read that in a line of gooney, But then when I rewatched it, you notice that the Goonies are kind of going on this sort of national Treasure Nick Cage type journey to decode the Masonic history of their city, of that story, and that's what they do, and they discover, oh, actually we're founded by a bunch of scally wagged pirates. Now so

Know absolutely.

The I was something I was going to ask you about later on. It was Pizzagate kind of because child pedophilia in Hollywood has been a theme in a conspiracy for a long time, not only claims of passing around child actors, but also having underage kids play prostitutes.

And stuff like that.

Yeah, the political and Hollywood a leader very interrelated. I'm curious, what are your thoughts on the Pizzagate scandal or Hollywood's role in the abuse of children.

Yeah, I think I did three or four audios on pizza Gate. So if anybody wants to like a fuller breakdown, they can check those out, but sure. But yeah, I mean I think that it was pretty clear that there was some kind of black market operation going on that dealt with perhaps at least gay prostitutes or something like that. I mean, that's very popular in the DC scene, and that would also be connected to things like cocaine and drug use and all that and code words and all that.

Out of Haiti. You can prove that. And yeah, you can prove that she was connected to the Clinton Foundation.

You can show that John Podesta made a lot of weird statements and you know, what does it mean when they're talking about a hot tub and.

Yeah, pizza a hot tub.

Yeah, so it's hard to say exactly what definitively what it is, and you know, was that a plan to sign off the alternative media? I don't know, But ultimately we don't need quote pizza Gate. You know that this kind of stuff is true because there's like a dozen other cases of the exact same thing, Right, So I'm not saying, by admitting that I don't know exactly what the situation Pete is, that that's not true. I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised because there's so many

I mean, there's this book after book after book that have already dealt with.

This matter, right, And I agree with you that you don't need Pizzagate. It's just kind of one example of a theme that seems to be there for sure, and a lot of times you can get a better beat on things by looking at the aftermath. And it wasn't really until that shooter went into comment Pizza where I was like, oh, okay, so you put out a lot

Now.

It's not just goofy and wrong, it's actually dangerous to even discuss stuff that doesn't come from CNN, MSNBC. So I totally see that being a possibility for the agenda there.

Yeah, And I'm just and I totally agree, like as a thesis, you know what I mean, Like I could see that thesis.

I could also see the thesis that this was.

A real operation going on, you know, with all the worst stuff imaginable. Yeah, but I just don't personally know. But what we do know is that, you know, there's court cases involving Epstein and his island and all the Clinton trips on the Epstein pedophile plan and Little Saint James.

I mean that's known of course. Man.

So we've talked about this idea that themes in film can give us an idea of what might be I mean even a decade beforehand. Sometimes, are there any newer film trends you see coming that concern you.

Yeah, let's see, I was trying to think of what sci fi type things I've seen recently that that hinted at that kind of stuff, because yeah, like I said, I think when you look back to something like AI or Minority Report, you know, like in Minority Report you're seeing targeted advertising and you know, retinal scanning, all that kind of stuff that was new to you know, two thousand and one or two. All that kind of stuff we're seeing more prevalent now, right. And so in AI

But off the top of my head, actually I can't right now.

Well, there's you know, the two New Star Wars movies. I guess we already talked about Arrival. I haven't seen all that many sci fi movies in the past year or two either.

Yeah, And I think as I said, like Arrival and Star Trek, and I mean these kind of just have the more globalist minded propaganda of you know, anyone that's opposing And if you can, we mentioned Rand Corporation earlier. Rand Corporation had a direct connection to Star Trek. They were into some of the Rank Corporation people were involved in brainstorming ideas and based on stuff that was in Star Trek. You can find you can find papers on that at the Rank Corporation. So I'm not making that up.

You know, the Halo Deck.

Well, there you go, So Holodeck and VR that's what's coming.

Yeah, and I'm just trying to think of other movies. I saw X Men Apocalypse.

I thought that was pretty interesting, just because the Apocalypse character talks about being something ancient. Like there's a character who asks who are you, and he's like, Elohim raw. I've been called many names over many lifetimes. I am born of death. I was there to spark and fan the flame of man's awakening, to spin the wheel of civilization. And when the forest would grow rank and needed clearing for new growth.

I was there to set it ablaze.

And I think that's a pretty awesome dialogue.

But it's also pretty interesting.

Yeah.

Actually, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that because I have written on Avengers and the Marvel stuff, and X Men is on.

My list to get to.

Actually, but if you go and read my my takes on Captain America and Avengers and all that, I think there's three or four articles I've done on those. It would be kind of the same themes. Because you've got like if you saw X Men first Class, that was crazy because they're like working with the CIA. They are a CIA project, which is just mind blowing. So all that's revealed, and I do think there's true to this, you know, the whole super Soldier idea. And I have

Interacting with Nixon and JFK.

In alternate timelines, and it just kind of lost me in the confusion, and I didn't think it was that great, but there is. You're absolutely right to point out X Men and Marvel and all that.

Because they're just rife with everything.

All I can say is just check out my nalysis on those movies at Jason Alysis.

Yeah, and there were a lot of bombs when it comes to sci fi. In the last year. There was the remake of, I mean, the sequel of Independence Day. There was that movie that I thought looked interesting, Gods of Egypt that was apparently terrible. So the only one I've heard that was good that I haven't seen is the fifth Wave. I've heard that has some pretty interesting stuff in it because the first four waves are like, first they create, you know, if there's an alien invasion

You know.

Actually I did see that movie advertise, but I didn't actually watch it, And the reason for that is that what I'm having to do right now is prep for the TV show that Jay Weener and I are going to do, and we're working on the first season, and it's going to be thirteen or fourteen episodes of first Ridley Scott, then David Lynch Movies in Spielberg, then Kubrick, then The Matrix and The X Files, Christopher Nolan movies, James Cameron, Roland, Plansky, Bond, Twin Peaks, True Detective, Godfather,

I have to sit and rewatch.

All of these over and over and kind of plot out what we want to do with each one of these episodes and where we want to take it. So so that's what I've been working on, and our show will be I think in running in April on guy a TV.

Very cool.

That's exciting.

Well, right on, man, It's always great to talk to you.

I enjoyed it last time. This has been a blast too.

I like a guy who knows a shit, and you are.

One of those guys.

Thanks Greg, you got it.

And before we close the books, let the good people know where they can further scratch the Jay DIYer itch if they do want some more.

Yeah, you can go to jasonalysis dot com No Apostrophe, and I think I have there's over a thousand posts there. I've got over six or seven hundred articles. I've written one hundred and twenty or thirty movie reviews, and you can find all that information there else to do a podcast. For the last year that's gotten pretty pretty good traction. Now you can find all the free hours and then if you want to hear the full lecture talks interviews. I also do lectures on things like tragedy and hope

And it is always best to get the books directly from the author if you can, to cut out that you know, monolithic Amazon middleman, right.

Exactly, Yes, thank you.

It does help me out a lot of you if you'll are a direct from me, and I ship those out every day so it doesn't take that.

Long, right on.

Well, awesome man, always a pleasure, I guess that brings us to the end.

Of the show.

Take care of yourself out there all right?

Thank you, Greg, you got it all right.

Fun stuff.

I really do like the Hollywood Breakdown guests because I've grown up being such a media junkie, and even though we all know it's a very persuasive tool, I think there are always new elements to discover, and I really think Jay is one of the best guys focusing on this area.

I like Mark.

Devlin for music and Jay Dyer for movies, and I thought a lot of great stuff was covered today. Probably most memorable for me is that idea of ET being about a conjured up spirit entity more than a space alien. It sort of strengthens the narrative of a concerted effort to put certain ideas into the culture about reality outside of our immediate environment and beings beyond it, an effort to depict magic, ritual and entities and paint it with

Some do.

It's very strange. Some would say it's because the elite were laying a base, because they planned a stage of false flag alien invasion in the future. First you fight nations like the Two World Wars, then you fight ideas like terrorism, and then you fight a completely fabricated enemy that you completely control with one hundred percent autonomy. Maybe people do say that, but I always found it to be a bit far fetched. Now, if you're a flat

To the truth.

But we're born into a completely different world, shaped by think tanks, wealthy industrialists, and international banking dollig archs who all have an interesting preoccupation with some occult belief system. Right right, Well, fucking a Jay Dyer. If you like the stuff we talked about in the first hour in the Plus show, we got into stuff like predictive programming in the Trump presidency specifically, and back to the Future

Don't be like that.

Some people are scoring me way to the right, and that is not fair because they're given right wing points for the Pizzagate shows, and that is an elite issue, not a right verse left one. I will not accept those points, and it's going to come up. It's coming up everywhere you look. But I'm spending less time on political topics and more on just the fringe where we belong.

I couldn't believe.

I couldn't think of it at the time, and we talked about a lot of other good stuff too. Just sign up for Plus already for only five bucks a month. This show is supported completely by the Plus program. I grew a pair and quit my shitty job managing a game stop, built the Plus infrastructure and never looked back. Guys, I try to be respectful of your time, give you a great show, and I offered up for just that

If you're worried about that, blah blah blah.

Right, well, it does mean a lot to be listener supported, and every host is just trying to get your money somehow. But I wait to the end, and I like to think that I spend less time pitching than any other show, and I like the content.

To speak for itself, So meet me in the middle here.

But again, Jay is always a welcome guest, fun and knowledgeable guy to talk to, and I have two more shows due out by the end of the super short month of February.

So I'm gonna get on it. That is it for me?

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