Nefarious Connections: British Intelligence and Islam with Jay Dyer & COTEL

we should do a stream on it. I was like, yeah, absolutely, So I appreciate you and all your work and coming over here and kind of sharing some of your wisdom with us. So you know, I'm going to be more of a person asking questions and prying into your knowledge because I tried to do some preliminary research on this topic,

and I was wanting to reach out to you. Maybe there was a particular paper or something to read, or specific books, but I'm just kind of going through the Internet and finding blogs and stuff, and some of some of what you mentioned was in there, but you had a lot more details. How do you where would you begin and introducing this topic? I mean, do you do you start with like Lawrence of Arabia some of the earlier where do you see this topic? It was sort

of intro into it. Maybe from the outset I could recommend what some of the good literature on the topic is because there's a lot, but a lot of people don't know what that is or where to find it.

back in two thousand and three. I won't say the documentary because it might trigger something, but Jason Burmas did a well known documentary back then, and that kind of at first hitped me to Middle Eastern stuff, and you know, I liked history of England and British Empire stuff, so that's maybe my entrance into that subject matter was back then. But I would say even throughout the two thousands, I really didn't know a whole lot about it. And I'm

not an expert. I wouldn't say I have like a PhD level knowledge of it, but I have a pretty good knowledge and I've read a lot of books on it, so I think I can speak to it. Probably the best introductory book for this subject would be F. William Ingdall's book Lost Hedgemon, because he goes into kind of the layout of the Middle East and the basics of the game plan from the West and from the competitors to the West, which were different competitors at different times.

If you go back to the late eighteen hundreds, it was it's called the Great Game, and this is Russia versus the Anglo power, right, so it's the UK right, what becomes the Atlanticist establishment during the Cold War. Lost Hegemon is a great place to start for understanding the background. Then, I would say for more specifically kind of what we're talking about today. Mark Curtis, who's a Royal Society researcher. He wrote a book called Secret Affairs, and it's a

really good five hundred page book. And I want to stress that most of the material that I'm referencing or talking about is not conspiracy material. So you'll notice again Curtis is a He works for the Royal and Sugar National Affairs. Okay, so this is up near the top of the pyramid in the West, so it's not anything to do with, you know, outlandish theories or whatever. I try to stick to the academic literature on this topic.

There's another really good book that approaches it, not so much from the UK angle as that book does, but Robert Dreyfuss's book Devil's Game is the next book I would recommend, and that book approaches the US's alliance with various factions and versions of radical Islam for the last sixty seventy years as part of the Great Game, as part of the Cold War, and other really important texts too. I'll just mention in passing would be probably gals Mounier. It's m U N I E. R. Black Gold, spies.

He's a French researcher and writer, and this is the last book I covered on the subject, and it was it was also really good, So this might actually be a better starting point for people who are into just the history of the British Empire's approach to the Middle East. And then some years back I interviewed the author's gold and Fitzgerald, who wrote the book Invisible Empire, which is about the history of the British Empire's approach to Afghanistan.

So those are some of the starting point texts if you people do find this interesting. And then there's kind of a magnum opus mega work that's very difficult, and it's Stephen Dorrell's massive It's about a thousand page book history six and this comes at it from a very critical perspective. There's other texts as well, obviously tragedy and hope. Obviously Anglo American establishment by people would be important as well.

And in the Milliner Fabian text by Jowan Ratu has multiple chapters that are very relevant to what we're talking about today. And this can just keep going on and on. I mean, you can get into the history of you know, Ian Fleming's life, and although it doesn't relate necessarily to Islam, it gives you kind of window into you know, British operations and you know their approach to the Great Game,

which is unique. It's earlier than the US and for many people who may not be aware, British intelligence is who sets up American intelligence. So you can even go back to early as the Inquiry, which is prior to the OSS, the first so called intelligence establishment in American nineteen forty two under FDR and all that, and then we get the nineteen forty seven Security Acts which creates the CIA we know of as the CIA. So British intelligence is who came over here and set that up

for us. So it's a pretty wild story, but this is how we kind of get America doing what the British Empire did, as you pointed out, back to the time of T. E. Lawrence. So want a movie introduction to this subject matter? Actually, yes, the Peter O'Toole famous movie where he plays T. E. Lawrence the bisexual, perhaps not even bisexual, perhaps just skittles of the British Empire. But what's fascinating And I'll stop yapping after this because

and there's tons more books and documentaries. But one thing that's fascinating is how much of this relates to the establishment of the nation State of Israel, and this plays

into the Balfour Declaration. This plays into the establishment of a Jewish state, which I believe it or not, many of the pro Arabist British spies were very opposed to, and so there was a faction amongst the British elite Rothchilds and others who favored the nation state of Israel being in the Middle East, and most of the Arabist British spies actually were opposed to this, and they said it was going to cause all these problems and wars.

It was a powder k It was you know, unfair to the people that were there at the time, and even that was unfair to Jews who were being put in this sort of maybe less than desirable location for geostrategic reasons. So they're kind of like a chess a chess piece basically. So it's huge. It ties into oil. It's a lot of it hass to do with oil and resource war, and that's what a lot of the wars are for is resources well.

And this is one of the reasons why there's such a great ally is that they have all this cultural sympathies to us and the you know, expansion of the

same sort of Western project. So why is it, I think we already know the sort of false dialectic and everything like that, But in regards to oil control, the expansion of Israel, how is it that British intelligence when did they begin to really see, you know, facilitating these hobbyists and these radical Islamic groups as a geopolitical and strategic tool to actually gain power and expand.

of Munye's book, Black Gold Spies. That's the oil which once oil discovered, that kind of becomes one of the main motivators for the British explorers and archaeologists who are the spies. They're not really there to you know, learn the cultures because they just let Now, some of the people did love the cultures, right, They really did immerse themselves in the local traditions and the ethnography of these peoples. In fact, some of them may have actually converted to Islam.

It's hard to know whether they really were converts or whether they were just doing it for their espionage cover, like Saint John Philby, that's the father to Kim Philby, the famous turncoat Soviet spy who was a British operative during the Cold War, who, along with the other you know,

famous Cambridge spy ring went to the Soviet Union. Because they've decided that most of them, by the way, were also skittlesmen, so they were also compromised, and that was part of what the KGB was very effective in doing the Cold War was compromising skills operatives. But regardless, way earlier than that, you had Philby's father as one key example.

Beyond probably t Lawrence is probably the most famous, but probably the next most famous would be Saint John Philby who went and became a He converted to Wahabism, and he seems to have been pretty serious about it, even if it was spy cover. He did it really well. I mean, he'd donned the garb, he went full hobby, and this was probably what was necessary for him to be able to strike deals with for certain tribes and you know, basically helped to set up what we know

of as the Saudis. So the British Empire went in and they wanted to set up their men, put their proxies pay off, and have their tribal chieftains right running things. And this is what they did, not just with men's spies like Lawrence and Saint John Philby, but and there's many others, but also with women, which is kind of weird.

There's a couple famous British Arabist women spies, and that might have actually been very useful precisely because they were women, because you know, the Arabs and the tribes might not have expected, you know, this lettered you know, frail British woman,

you know, to be a spy. But in the case of Gertrude Bell Frey as Stark, these are two a pretty famous, wealthy British women who ended up being British spies who helped set up in the case of Iraq, like basically they just chose, okay, it's going to be even south and we create Iraq. Iraq is a created country by the British Empire, as is Saudi Arabia. And to get back to the main point, I'll stop yapping.

One of the ideas was to control Mecca, right, So the British Empire thought, if we could control Mecca, that'd be a huge positive for geopolitics in terms of how we managing control Islam. That would be a blow to the Ottomans. And so once the Ottomans were falling apart, you have this secret deal called Syke's Pico and this divides up amongst Russia, France and England the Middle East, and this is kind of how we have the Middle East that we know today, with many of these countries

kind of being creations of the British Empire. So you've got like Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, these are all former British areas. And it's not just the British. Russia and France tried the same thing. It's just that, for whatever reason, the British ended up being the most successful in getting a hold of areas in the Middle East. And Napoleon tried it, the French tried it, the Csars tried it. They just for whatever reason, we're not as successful as the British.

they relate about her history and her background. But yeah, so basically, Lawrence was kind of the guy for and Philby. They were kind of the guys that were doing Wish Empires operations in the Saudi Arabian region, and they just chose these tribal chieftains that they had the best rapport with and the ones that they thought, you know, would

be the most useful. And I mean, I don't have any proof of this, but I mean I don't think it's accidental that they sent Lawrence in who was, you know, at least bisexual, if not just and so because he could have been a very good operative for compromising people. And if you think about, you know, in terms of Islam, if somebody was compromising that way with Lawrence, I mean, that would be the end, right, So that would be

powerful a compromise. But we'll also have to understand that not many people realize that Lawrence was operating at the behest of the Milner Fabian socialist circles of Lord Rothchild, Lord Milner, Cecil Rhodes, and as handler was a guy named David Hogarth who was known as his quote spiritual father. He might have been his handler in more ways if you catch what I mean, right, I'm being serious. I mean this is I know how this stuff works.

they just found that. I think the key here is that it's not so much which ideology they liked the best, but I think that what happens is the Wahabbi Salafi radical verse is a great destabilizing force, right, So it's great as a kind of a cult means of controlling people. If you can control the tribal chieftains and the you know, emoms and all that. Uh, and it's great for destabilization when you need to use it. And this explains actually what the former head of Massad recently just said in

a massive interview on Al Jazeera. They asked him why has Israel more recently been supportive of al Nustra in Syria and the destruction of the previous Baphist you know, assad secular type regime, nationalis type regime, And it's because it's a destabilizing force. And that's nothing new in regard to what the former Massadead was saying. This is just the old British strategy that these types, these types of Islam are great for destabilization.

And I found that what was it. Salad Ramadan he was like one of the head of the Muslim Brotherhood that when he was like leaving the Middle East, he had refuge in the city of London. And so him in a handful of like Muslim Brotherhood radicals. They all like once once their gig was up, they just left and went back to London. I thought, oh, that's interesting. And then you connect you know, the Balfour Declaration, the roth Child money and and and then the support for Israel.

It's like very interesting how all that stuff circulates and it takes you always back to London.

of that elite power power structure. For example, Gertrude Bell, who came from a very wealthy family, she for whatever reason, just fell in love with all of that region. She was she was such an odd ball as a woman, which is totally out of character. You know, in the in the early nineteen hundreds, she goes to Iran and learns Farsi and starts translating Rumi's poetry, which is just really odd for or that kind of a woman. And I think the movie version with Nicole Kimmitt actually portrayed that.

Even though it wasn't that great of a movie, it portrayed that pretty well. So you did have this faction in this group that really loved it. And I think more recently people will look at, you know, King Charles and oh, look he's given money to the Sufi Orders, and here he is wearing the Sufi garb, and they'll act like he converted to Sufism. I mean maybe, but I think from the vantage point of, you know, somebody like him, religion is just kind of a tool for

power if you're the state. You know, most people at that level are not perhaps ideologically committed, and so you want to use these groups when they're useful. So it doesn't mean you're necessarily committed to Wahabism, it doesn't mean you necessarily committed to Sufhism, but those elements can be useful. I mentioned Muslim Brotherhood real briefly because Muslim brother is a great example coming out of Egypt of a group

that was created with some doobie origins. I think Albana is a very suspicious character if you look at Dreyfus's book, there's a great chapter on him. But they were a broader political activist movement that wanted to expand Sunni Islam into politics. And what's interesting about them is that the CIA and British British Intelligence CIA made an open alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood in the forties and fifties because

they saw them as a potential hedge against Soviets. So just like the British Empire might want to align themselves with say Saudi or other types of Muslims against Ottoman Turkish dominance. Right, so you're playing one kind of Islam against another. Same model goes on in the Cold War where there was a period if you read moles Copeland's biography where he says they the CIA toyed with pan

Arabism or Arab nationalism. They actually supported the Bathist at one point, and this is why you can find those old images of like that Saddam had CIA support when he was early on a Bathist and you'll notice there's a picture of him shaking hands with Rumsfeld. Right, So there's an old CIA linkage between the Bathists and Western intelligence.

But what happened was when the Cold War kicked off, the secular nationalist Arab pan Arabis movements were swinging more and more towards the Soviets, and so the CIA saw them as less of an ally and becoming more of a threat because they might get assistance from the Soviet Union. So that made the CIA then say, okay, now we're going to do this older British strategy. We're going to link ourselves up with the more radical factions and sections of Islam. Hence the alliance with in this case Mulsom

Brotherhood in nineteen fifty six. This is called Operations Straggle, and this was a joint venture of CIA and m I to use a mother Brother Muslim brotherhood to stage a coup in Syria. That coup was not successful, but this came about because one of these women who were British intelligence operatives that we talked about, like Gertrue Brothers,

there's no one named Freya Stark. And Freya Stark was a woman who was sent out to do reconnaissance for the British impart throughout the Middle East and she had made these contacts with Muslim brotherhood figures, and Miles Copeland in Game of Nations says, yeah, we turned to T E R R O R because anytime Nasar gave us a problem, and he was he was a CIA consultant

to Nasar. He says, anytime that he gave us a problem, we could just say, well you might you might have a little bit of a T E R R O R problem on your hand if you don't do what Washington and the CIA wants. So you can begin to see how the game works.

connections back then. But for what I know about is just the more recent, you know, post to the Great Game stuff, which you know, really the reason this is so important for us is that we're still seeing this play out now in the Middle like the battles and the things that you see happening in the Middle East

where you know what Israel. I just did a live stream the other day about Lebanon, the Cia, Syria, Jordan and you know, all that area around Israel that's playing out because of the presuppositions of what the British Empire set up. So everything that we're dealing with today is rooted in the British imperial layout and structure. And this, for example, is why the when Israel started to have

its own wanted to exert its own power. I guess you could say they were not happy with being a British colony, and so you had the Irgun, the Stern Gang. These are essentially organized crime factions who began to begin to make moves to throw off British colonial rule. And there were different motivations and reasons why they did that.

In fact, a lot of people don't notice, but they were actually split between whether they wanted to support the axis some of these I'm serious, some of these Jewish gangs, or support of the allies. And the one reason for that was they reasoned that, well, if the Ox's pollowers were the enemies of the British Empire and the Brits, and we wanted to overthrow British colonial rule, maybe we

should support those guys. It's the same reasoning why some of the Irish Republican Army, the IRA also wanted to support Tiny Mustache. So so just alliances of you know, enemy of my enemy as my friend, that type stuff. But it was actually you know, the organized crime sort of stern gang Irraguan circles that become the nascent Israeli intelligence service and people don't even know that guests who

trained some of them. Do you know this? You'll never You'll never guess if you don't know quiz question.

that all became just immediately. The property is DA right, so we know what we all all heard about paper clip, right, But paper clip is also the CIA taking over rhin Hard galen spy network throughout Europe Galen Org and one of those nascent networks, uh is that network in Germany is now called the B and D German Intelligent German Intelligence is literally Galen's network that the CIA just took over after the Cold War because they gave him a deal.

They said, you can go to prison or death, prison for the rest of your life or death, or we get your spine networks and we don't kill you. So that was a deal they gave to Galen anyway. So that again kind of tells you that like everything that we're experiencing and living through today is situated in the milieu of the British imperial structure.

remains of the British Empire? Is it now basically intelligence agencies because it doesn't seem like they have any significant actual military power. Is it blackmails? It, you know, spies? Intelligence? What would how would you describe the transition of like the fall of the British Empire into the spy networks.

of wealth and power. It really was kind of the engine of the British Empire, and so as it waned, I think the Crown just one day kind of just appropriated and said, okay, the British rest Unit Company is the property of the Crown now. So the British Crown itself is interesting because it's kind of this entity or corporation that owns a lot of land and a lot of places you wouldn't expect. They're very large landholders. They own a lot of land in Canada. I don't even

know if we know exactly how all that works. It is intertwined with the wealth and power of the Rothchilds as well. That's been an open, well known thing for a long time.

so the US came to power. But what the British were very adept at doing was through their sort of concentric circles model of how to construct what they call roundtable groups. You can have governments within governments is really how it works, and it's based on the East India companies model of like the committees of shareholders within the company who had just untold you know, vast amounts of

wealth and control. So that's kind of the structure that they modeled their empire on and quickly talks about it like it was loosely speaking, a secret society. Calls it the Society the Elect. This was Cecil Rhodes's idea to create this society of the elect that would promote what he called a world federalist socialist union, to create an entire commonwealth of socialist type countries that would be the new British Empire. This was the original Cecil Rhodes raw

Child John Ruskin idea. So it didn't exactly play out like that. But one thing they were able to do was to bring America and American isolationism back under the sway of imperial global geopolitical strategies. And as you know, the founding father said, we want to stay out of European entanglements. And so it took a lot of this wealth and power and influence in the US through things like the CFR Trelateral's all that stuff. That's all set up on the model of Chatham House in the UK,

which is this sort of Fabian socialist interclique. British Intelligence was set up as a Fabian socialist institution. Its heads were originally all Fabian socialists. And so you mentioned Kiir Starmer, he is also openly a Fabian socialist. So exactly the same people, same strategy, same game plan. Tony Blair was a member of the Fabian Socialist party. That kind of dominates the ideology. But you're right that it doesn't require vast armies, you know, marching armies. British Empire was a

naval power. They were not a land power as Dougan and many you know geopolitical people talk about you have a sea power versus Russia. Is a land power. British empire. Britain's tiny, and yet it had this vast empire through controlling disease. So it was a sea power, a money power, a banking power ultimately, and a lot of people liking it. To Italy when Italy had a lot of power, you know, centuries ago, they were a also kind of a sea power.

it's going. But but yeah, I mean when you I think key point here, when we understand this, And to get back to your question about like pinpointing when it became a policy for the UK way ahead of the EU. Like the UK in nineteen ten nineteen twenty, very prominent Fabian socialists were at that time saying it's time to make alliances with Islam because we can change the face of the UK and Europe through Islam. Right, And so

it became you know, a tool early on. First all, not through the Wahabi Salafi stuff, because if you just try to import, if you try to import that into the UK in the nineteen tens and twenties, it would have never worked. So what do you do you do? What's the Fabian model, a slow kill model. Suonies, we bring in the ecumenist, very perennialist minded Sunnies, the mystical neo Platonic.

where you have lund honisty. But it's not accidental. People think that this is it's just liberals that are open borders. No, it's a specific strategy that many of the baby and socialist elite said, we got to eradicate Christianity in the West and in Europe, and one of the best ways to do that would be to flood the UK and EU with Islam. Right, they're very candid about it.

right right. So that's a very powerful motivation for perhaps not just young men who are very manipulable, but even unstable people can very easily be used in this way. And again that's what Males Copeland actually explains in his biography at about this He says that you know, they make the perfect patsy when we want this kind of an event. So it doesn't mean that the CIA or Version intelligence is behind every t R OUR event. It's

not saying that at all. It's just saying that when it's useful, it's very useful for as you pointed out, everything from a destabilizing force in a rival nation to just terrorizing a target population. It can also bring about the end legal changes that you want. So you want to have I don't know, body scanners at every airport or a giant tea event would be great for that, right. So there's a lot of different.

ideology is the name of religion. So it seems like it as a paradigm out of all the world religions. Islam is certainly the most useful if you want to sort of take control of it.

revelation for Arab peoples. So, in other words, early points in the Quran, all us speaks as if well, the Jews have their Bible and the Christians have their thing, this is the thing for the Arabs, right, So it initially has this verythno nationalist, I guess you could say, vibe to it. Before later on Mohammad says, after certain battles, Oh, no, actually this is to take over the whole world now.

So you can actually see an internal contradiction in the Quran itself to where it moves from being just relative to the Arab people's too, oh no, actually this is for everybody, conquer everybody now right.

but the overlord oligarchic power structure is the same. It's the same upper level people that run both the US and the UK, and by extension that YOUU because if you understand, the European Union itself was set up by the os S and the CIA. It's literally a creation of the U, S S and CIA. This is the post tiny stash Man after he loses OS S and c A comes in and literally sets up all that. In fact, they even brainwash the Germans with re education camps,

so we think of that as a Soviet communist thing. No, actually, the CIA set up I'm serious. They set up at re education camps for Germans after the after World War two. So you know you've got this this elite corporate banking structure. I believe that is what quickly calls the uh you know, Atlanticist East Anglo American establishment, and that includes the nation state of Israel. So I'm not excluding them. And they still see you know, certain places like Russia, Uh, maybe

Iran to some degree. I'm not an iffy on how you know, how much I think Iran is a real threat or not, but I think they do see these the way that Brazinski said, we have to make sure that they could never be any potential threat or challenge to Atlantis's dominance and thus control of Eurasia, according to Brazinski, was the key means to that. Hence why for them Ukraine is so important, because that's that's essential to Western NATO dominance in the Eurasian heartland. So so that's why

a lot of these things happen, is these motivations. But I don't think like you said, it's not really British. I mean, British intelligence plays a key role because for example, British intelligence created the p Gate scandal that was literally created by the Steele dossi age's straight out of British intelligence created well, and.

to what the Fabian socialists were pushing. What they wanted. They realized that in order to have a future socialist technology, christy type of world federation, you would need to destroy the firewalls that stood in the way of that. And firewalls would be nation states and religious ideologies like Christianity, as well as even things that we think of as

fundamental like the family unit. Maybe, and socialist believe that eventually you'd have to get rid of the family because families are directly connected to private property and inheritance right in heritage and tradition, and if you're going to have a brave new world, got to get rid of that stuff, right.

citing in my paper. They're literally saying that, you know, sex, not just gender, not just performative gender, but actual sex will be on a fluid spectrum, that all the tranny stuff, this is all intentional and in actual intercourse is only going to be for pleasure. So they want to make it that actually people probably can't reproduce him if they wanted to, and so everybody is just then hedonistic pursuing sexual gratification and nobody can actually reproduce.

and you know he found that essay years ago. But it's also identical to what Huxley wrote in Brave New World, Like in chapter one or two a Brave New World. It's actually explained that the babies are born in test tubes because that's the only way to have the technocratic state be your stand in mommy or daddy, because if you're born to a parent, you have an immediate attachment to them. If you're born in a test tube, you

got mad scientists doctor Man as your daddy, right. Literally they say that in the character in I think it's chapter one, actually explains that this is why we birth the babies and the test tubes and not from a mother anymore.

had didn't have parental figures. And so in the case of James Bond, he's a case example because Bond is the figure who is an orphan, right and the handlers him in the novels they know that, and so Queen and Country becomes this, the queen becomes to sort of stand in aloof mother figure, nanny state figure. And that's not just him, I mean in the Munier book, I

mean there's other spies who were also famously orphans. So you can learn from those test cases of those people to then they could extrapolate and say, well, why don't we just make everybody this kind of you know, automaton who And I'm not saying that, like James Bond's supposed to be just a killing machine, right, but the point is that he doesn't. He doesn't have a conscience, and he doesn't have the firewalls that we're talking about because

of the early trauma. And so if you can traumatize, say, youthful people when on a mass scale when they're young, which is what we're seeing with a lot of this tr and Z stuff, right, and you know, the stuff that they're doing too. You know what I'm talking about, reassignment stuff and all like that is just going to damage them for life, right, And that kind of information is exactly what spies and people who were engaged in

sexual compromise were themselves learning and doing. Does that make sense why?

are going to do to their country. It's like, dude, what are you talking about. They don't have an opposition to it, they don't care. They know exactly what's going to happen, and so what are your kind of thoughts on I mean, like in that video I did on the city of London, London is the most Muslim city in all of Europe. I believe it. Now it's the first city to have over a thousand mosques.

care about the British people. Fact, they hate them. They're Malthusians, right, They're like open, rabid Malthusians. And when you understand that, and when you understand the Fabian socialist, technocratic ideology, everything they're doing makes perfect sense. It's not it's not idiot liberals who don't know what's happened. They know what's happening exactly. You that doesn't know what's happening because you listen to Matt wallsh You know these people who act like there's.

but France seems to be gone. My wife is from Germany, and so she's from southern Germany and Stuttgart, and they have so many Turks that are coming that now two out of every three baby he's born in Stuttgart are Turkish and that only you know, you play that for just a generation or two and it's game over. You know, this doesn't gonna take long. So what are your thoughts on, I mean, how they've been able to get Is it just through the centralization of the EU and the sort

of socialist structure that Europe has. But it's amazing how outside of maybe Poland and Hungry, there's not really many voices in opposition to literally the replacement of their population and mass immigration.

of control of education. Again, like we mentioned in the case of Germany, it was the CIA that set up the B and D out of the Galen Organization's network and there might be some ignorant persons who think would not be tread and based. No, it's not tread and based. It's immediately turned into what Western ideology wants to push.

And so you get decades then of these entities controlling the education system in Europe, controlling the banking in Europe, such that you could even have that famous banker Peter Sutherland about ten years ago. I think he's dead now, but he came out and said it's mainstream news. He said, yes, as a massive EU banking person, my job is to destroy the nation states of the European Union and turn them into one big blob that we can control in

a socialist way. So there it is, right there, just go repeater sutherland statement on what the purpose of the U is. And other people have kind of leaked this stuff out too, even General Wesley Clark, who some people were big fans of because he was against the Bush stuff and you know Seven Nations Plan and all that. But General Wesley Clark famously said that the goal for NATO was to help destroy European nation states and turn

them into a big socialist blob. That's the goal. So they were sold under the guise of oh, this will help us be a more powerful economic union. That was kind of the selling line that they were giving the people for the EU through the OSS and what was called the European Project, the European Steel and Coal Development of Project. Those are all corporate banking and OSS created things that help to try to transition Europe into this union.

But it was also acoring to David Rockefeller and his memoirs planned at Builderberg Soil Bilderberg also played a big role in creating and planning the EU back in the forties and fifties. It's not a nineteen ninetiesish thing. It's actually planned that long ago because they're thinking, you know, long term about creating these continental unions. World federal socialist unions is what they are. And then it doesn't matter whether you have the title of you know, you could

call yourself the Free State of Liberia. Like you're integrated into, right, a big socialist union. It doesn't matter what what you call yourself, So they don't have to be called, you know, the Nation, the Fabian Socialist you know, Committee of Liberia, like you can call yourself whatever you want. It's integrated into continental unions, is the plan. And so I think some people have expressed can in regard to Trump's statements about Canada and Mexico.

level stuff. This is what they write about, and very few people read or talk about the Brazensky Kissinger type of geopolitical stuff.

And you bring this up to people you know, you think are pretty re and know what's going on, and this is like too much for them to fathom that. You know, why would Israel fun Hamas well? If you want to you know, well, you can.

anything personal. He lived a very kind of austere basically moral life, so they didn't have him go into the you know, prostitutes or stealing money, and so they found that that mode. And this is in my way of deception. Nineteen ninety he doesn't explicitly mention Hamas. He just hints that they were wanting to arm and fund rivals to them. And then later on in the nineteen ninety four but which I just got apparently he does that explicitly mentioned Hamas.

So so yeah, in the in the nineteen was the seventies or whatever, they saw that as At and it's it's the same as what the guy just said about Syria. He's like, yeah, we would, we would fund an arm al Noosra because we would rather have that destabilizing force versus asad he's a stabilizing force. So and he even says the guy in that Alazeera interview says, that's the rules of the game. So what do you mean? So this is what is what everybody does. So that's the

way he plays that plays it in the interview. But yeah, if you think about it, this actually makes sense. And I'm glad you mentioned that because I just went a lot deeper into lots of I didn't know about that region and Lebanon and and you know the shield role

in Lebanon, and it's all really fascinating. There's a really good movie from twenty eight team with John Hamm and Rosamond Pike called De Rout and I recommend people watch that because it's a little bit it's a little Hollywood, But what's good about the movie is that it doesn't It presents everybody as having their angle and their desires in this very tense region of you have Lebanon here, and then you have Israel here, so North Israel and

Lebanon border, right right. Then you have Christians in Lebanon, you have Shia in Lebanon, and you have Sunni factions in Lebanon. So it's a factionalized country that's also got a lot of organized crime groups in Lebanon, and so they can't really they're not a real threat to Israel. And even in the I think in the eighties the Phalanges, who were largely the Maronite Catholic militia, they were actually

funded donated by the CIA Masad. So it's very complicated because the Christians in Lebanon have this alliance with CIA Massad. She and Lebanon right are there to suppose to put pressure on Israel and be a supposedly a militia or a terrorist organization opinion upon how you view them. So it's just a really wild complex region. Yeah, and the and the Shia don't like Assuni, and the Shia don't like didn't like the PLO, so it's right.

be fully aligned with the West. And you know, a couple of years ago, I mean, it sounds seemed like Russia and Turkey had a pretty good relationship. But what's what recently just unfolded in Syria is essentially Turkey, he backstabbed Russia, made an agreeance with the West and with Israel to basically take the northern portion of Syria. And

it's I find that very interesting. Is now we can kind of see how these how these power factions are splitting up, and at least according to some and we take you know, eschatology is a difficult subject to discuss, but you know, at least the patterns are emerging, and it's it's beginning to make a lot more sense on how Aerdogon and Turkey and all this posturing that he's going to save the Palestinians from Israel and yet he's

actually making a backdoor deal with Israel. Let's go ahead and fund these radical Muslims to take over Syria and then we'll just cut it up, and then the US takes the Northern Peace where the Kurds are. To your point, it's like, well, they have their own faction with the military of the Kurds to maintain control there.

these places. So I say that because going back to twenty fourteen twenty seventeen, we were at that time I was writing a lot of articles for twenty first Century Wire with Patrick Kenningson, and we were covering I'm trying to pull up the map here so we can see the No, that doesn't need a bigger map, But we were covering this issue because we knew that it was obvious that the CIA and obviously Israelis as well as British intelligence like they were aiding and funding the Al

Nusra in Syria to try to get rid of Asad and they were calling them the moderate rebels. Right. Well, the CFR had put up an article prior to all of this. Yeah, there we go. So yeah, So like if if weapons, for example, are going to come from Iran to Lebanon, right, it needs to go either through

Turkey or through Syria to reach Lebanon. If they were gonna arm, if they were going to arm the Shia, or if there was going to be arming of ISIS in Syria, Turkey back in the twenty fourteen twenty seventeen time period was also helping ISIS in Syria or Al Nusra in Syria. So this was being discussed by many outlets, and I remember vividly because I was writing articles about it, and I was getting called all kinds of names if you talked about the CIA or the West or Israel

arming and helping Al Nusra in Syria. Even though Johnny Kane is like meeting with and he's in pictures with the freaking Al Qaeda dudes, like you were called crazy, you were called insane. It doesn't exist. Well, a few months ago, the New York Times just published their gigantic front page article on Timber Sycamore. So we actually know the name of the twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen one

billion dollar plan. It was called Timber Sycamore, where they armed trained and funded Al Nusra in Syria, right, right, So there you go, like we were called I mean, I can't tell you many people were like calling me names back then. And it's like I've been sharing this, Like just look up the you know, the New York Times, Timber Sycamore, it'll come up right away as the first first.

no sense. But even once that became public knowledge, people were still reluctant to even recognize that.

the eighties. But had not this been successful, that probably wouldn't have happened. But this is where the CIA makes its alliance with the Mujahadeen, who are these freedom fighter al Qaeda people. They become the drawing pool from which we get.

tensions of how radical Islam is a utility of Western intelligence agencies to create chaos, destabilization so that they can expand power and control. I mean, it's as clear as day now. I don't even know how anybody can deny it. And this is why. And I'm curious what your opinions are on the normalization of Islam in the West as well. We see you know, And I'm not here to accuse

anybody of anything but the Tape Brothers. At least according to online there was a massive spike in young men looking into Islam during before the Romania allegations, and that case was dropped. So I'm not here to accuse anybody of anything but Tate. Andrew Tate converted to Islam and it was like one of the one of the biggest search things in like Western for young men in the West was searching up Islam and looking to convert to Islam. And it does give them a kind of a coherent

I mean, it's not totally coherent Islam. It's filled with contradictions, but at least some type at least their perception, a worldview, an identity where they could get married and have a virgin and for some of them appeal to having multiple wives.

But what are your thoughts on this sort of normalization of Islam, And sometimes to the detriment, so people have so much animosity towards Israel or who they think are controlling the levers of power in the West, that they like welcome Islam and we as especially Orthodox christ in the history of the Orthodox Church, you know, this is a false that you don't choose one or the other. What are your thoughts on this.

for Islam in the West. Other Gulf states do push and promote Islam in the West. Uh. And you know that's that shouldn't be surprising. I think we should if you just think about how nation states in general, how they project power.

Masade pushing Islam. It doesn't work like that. Those groups will, for example, make alliances with whoever they need in any of these regions to push whatever will work for them. So it's not ideological, it's just pragmatic. It's the key point here. So like when the CIA is funding an army the most, it's not because they believe in al Kaida ideology. It's because that's what's useful in that region

to fight the Soviets. So likewise, you know, there are Islamic nations, Islamic movements, Islamic banking structures that push and fund Islam in the West. And it's not all the CIA. It's it's like, I mean, I can we drove to Vegas some months back and I noticed across America, and I've been driving back and forth across America for the last seven years more than I ever have mosques you seem I saw a mosque on an Indian reservation.

to fight it. And even when I look at and I've never been to Britain England. I've been to Ireland but never been to England, but just based on articles that I've seen, it's like they let the Muslim population get away with criticism of the leftist agenda, the sort of leftist narrative within England that they don't let the average British person say so if you're if you're an average British person to criticize it, you're a problem. But when entire Muslim communities do it, I oht no problem

at all. Which take that movement toward.

But it's interesting because you go back to the Middle Ages, whether you're in the Roman Catholic West or if you're in Byzantium. If you go back to the Middle Ages, pretty much every Christian understood that Islam is like chastisement, you know what I mean, It's like the divine chastisement when you you know, if you turn degenerate, this is

your chastisement. So it's not that Islam is true, it's that you know, well, it's like what scripture says, like, you know, if you follow what God says, you'll be strong. If you're degenerate, you'll be rolled over, just like he told Israel.

within Western Europe. And that that was right out of the mouth of aragon It's like, so the player, the power players in the Muslim world absolutely see this in a militaristic framing. They you know, this is not oh some of our you know, compatriots are now live in Germany and England and France. No, they look at it as, oh, this is wonderful. Look at all these young men have there. We're going to take it over.

What are your thoughts on all this?

But it's the same with Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan, right, that was famously reported on many times that the CIA would just bring him duffle bags of money. I mean, you know, I just see myself as a student of this stuff. I don't even really know where it's going or how to project the the you know, what's what's

going to happen? I mean, I think that you know, in the future, we will be contending with more and more Islam, which it's just it's I mean, when you get into it, it's just so silly, like it's it's kind of it's kind of amazing really that people fall for it. And I understand, like you're saying, like the

young dudes are just searching stuff online. They don't know anything, and it's like, well, yeah, like what about one God versus like the trinities like exactly, I understand if you're at that level, you might think, oh, well, this is like based in crowd or whatever. Right.

by Orthodox in the last ten twenty years. Oh really, yeah, gat So like as the Roman Catholics are dying out and you know, selling off their churches to pay all their PDF bills for their you know you know I'm talking about, Yeah, as they're paying their you know, sex scandal bills and lawsuits. They're having to sell cathedrals in the shutdown entire like churches and dioceses they've been doing

an America too, they have to sell it off. So Orthodoxy's growing, you know, those things are dying out, and that's you know, when you adopt those kind of like sterile ideologies like a lot of these woke Protestant churches have. I mean, you're basically sealing your doom and ending your denomination in the next few decades, right, So those won't be exist anymore. There won't be Methodists, Lutheran mainline Protestant

churches anymore. They're going to be Presbyterian. They're going to die out, and so it will be uh, you know, if tragcat stuff still exists, maybe that maybe some versions of Calvinism and Orthodoxy is all there is. Right.

but I don't think that. It's just it's kind of foreign to the West and the only way it can can see it in the West is when they import foreign peoples to the West. Right, So the more that we stop, you know, the open border nonsense, perhaps that would help to stem the tide of the of the lunacy of this crazy cult.

like an economic engine. But it feels like this is totally tight at the hip with Zionism, and that Christian Zionism specifically is now like the official voice of Christianity in America with Pastor PAULA. White heading the Faith Office in the White House, and we have Hegsath talking about how he wants to rebuild the Third Temple, and so within the Trump administration, we have all these Christian Zionists that are sort of accelerationists.

And that was a very controversial thesis, you know, put out by Michael Collins Piper twenty years ago in his book. I read it at the time, and you know, you just couldn't even talk about that for a long time. So I'm surprised to see that there is, particularly in regard to all the stuff about James Jesus Angleton, who was a mega you know, Israeli a file. He was the CIA station chief in Rome for a long time, and then he became a.

is it still behind the wheel? Even you know, Trump can do all his the stuff that he wants to do or or you know, domestic policy stuff like that economic stuff, but the ship's moving in the same direction.

of the administration, uh itself. I don't I don't follow a lot of the day to day stuff because I'm usually trying to focus on the more you know, meta political stuff and the geopolitics. But uh, I think good things are happening. I like, I try to be positive about those things. You know. One thing I keep saying is we've been under such intense mind control for so many decades and so much mainstreaming of brainwashing and just nonsense.

It's not all going to be fixed in one administration, you know what I mean, Like, we're gonna be We're going to be crawling out of this mess for decades. But we're seeing a lot of I look, we're seeing a lot more good things than I would have ever happen. Even as that as some of this of.

going to become Christian. I'm like, dude, no, Like you realize that creating a more efficient and robust America for his domestic production and in creating, I mean, he is

a transhumanist. He is one world order figure. I mean, he spoke openly about this, and he speaks you know, in one in one article, he'll say that we're summoning the demons through the AI, and then literally in this in the next paragraph will say, well, the only way to stop it then is we have to fuse with it so that we can control the AI from within or something. So you look at all these corporations that he's been creating in the last like two or three years,

it's all at the technocracy. It's all for a global technocracy. And so I just find that really interesting that here's so many people that are happy that he's supporting Trump and he's MAGA, and it's like, well, multiple things can be true. He can be cutting fraud and abuse and making the US government more efficient. But the reasons why he's doing this is for a goal in twenty to thirty years for what he's going to have in place and the economic engine that's going to be behind it.

And I've found that a lot of people aren't seeing.

in coherent. I don't really understand what's going on. And but I do think that if you you know, if you want to keep it to the most positive possible like attitude, that we could have. You know, Jacques Attali in his book, you know he's mega globalist, he says in his two thousand and six book Brief History of the Future, he says, as globalists, we must be concerned that that America does not get into real Christianity. He

actually sayes that. He says because the major threat that we could experience to our hegemony would be a revival of some kind of what he calls this his words, theocracy in America, and he says that there could be a reaction against what we do in America turning to a theocracy, which means we must guard against. So even the global leats are concerned and worried that the religious right might make power moves. And I'm not saying that, I mean, that's not really doesn't really have anything to

do directly with Musk. But if you're talking twenty thirty forty years in the future, like I mean, Elon Musk might not be around by then, you have a next generation if Christianity, Orthodox Christianity grows, I mean, you could have an Orthodox Christian American empire. That's like technologically, you know what I mean. Like I'm not trying to be overly optimistic and silly about it or today.

have come out from the papacy and the general growth of Christian Zionism and Protestantism, I could see a future where we're the only one that aren't like Zionists, and that could be used as a sort of threat to the establishment to some sort. But obviously it's not going to win in the end, because according to at least all the saints in the Elders, there's going to be

a massive golden age of Orthodoxy. And I've took with multiple priests on this channel and they believe what we're witnessing now is just like the beginning of this process.

the evangelical dispensationalist attitude. And so I don't know that that you could link, like, I don't think those groups would would match too well. They would that wouldn't be a very I mean.

not suggest. I'll also be talking about some of these other megaliths and ancivilizations and this kind of stuff, because I haven't talked about that in probably five or six years.

they're making these claims. So if it's true, it would suggest totally different history of that region and maybe even like Nefhelm type stuff if it's true. But it may not be true. So have you looked at it at all?

of worldview, and it leads at least from them. What I'm hearing is the narrative that it leads credence to like the pyramids being like pyramids of energy, and that the you know these coils that are amongst.

China was pretty mind blowing. There was a village in China and they had this ancient sort of water well that was kind of pouring water out of a rock and it was not that big of a like cistern type thing that had been there, and everybody in the village just knew it as oh, that's the ancient you know water well. We don't even know where the water

comes from. It's just the ancient sacred water well. So they drained it somehow, and then they brought in this team of archaeologists and all this, and they started digging around it, and they found tunnels, and they found an entire underground city with giant columns, not as giant as the Egyptian court, but pretty amazing like this, and it's so old nobody knows what it is. Like the Chinese are like, you know, we don't even know. Nobody remembers,

you know what I mean. So I do think there's these fascinating instances of stuff like this law civilizations and like you said, like there's no reason to jump to aliens or this nonsense. And most of the people who are you know, claimants of that kind of stuff, like very Bondanik and these like these people are frauds, you

know what I mean, Like they exposed as frauds. So but I do think it's possible, if I was to admit anything, if the Genesis six narrative, and if the Titan narrative that's in some of the deepconomical text is true, it's possible that, you know, the Book of Enich is describing a period when you had aberrations in the ancient world that perhaps required worship in human sacrifice at these sites,

and that is what led to a global flood. So if these ancient civilizations had this thing going on, I mean Plato talks about Atlantis being he doesn't mention giants or tech, but he says, you have this ancient civilization, it was destroyed like that God flooded it. So you've got a lot of at the Station two. You know, global flood myths in China.

covered all like aspects of North America. This was not a regional flood.

of morality. So, you know, I think it's okay to speculate within reason, right, you know, about this ancients, because I just feel like we don't really know about the ancient world, no.

I'll move on here. But I've never seen anything regarding some of these ancient legends that actually contradict the Biblical worldview. If anything, it typically reinforces it. It's just that so many people are new age that are into these topics immediately go to the ancient alien thing or some type

of you know, advanced technology. But if you're just a traditional Christian, like a lot of this stuff kind of fits in a totally in accord with my worldview, I don't see where you have to appeal to all this stuff.

flood myth as well. So I mean, if the it makes me think of another section in the Graham Hancock thing where he took You've heard of the Periorus map, right, I mean just speculating here, like if that map really is describing some different, you know, underlying land underneath the ice. I mean, perhaps a giant flood is what changed that, you know what I mean? Like to me, a lot of these things sound like a flood would explain a lot.

push back the timeframe to twelve thousand years ago. And that's why Graham Hancock is so adamant about that particular tie because that if it is true, because he has some scientific credence to redating that site to potentially twelve thousand years ago if that's the case, and he believes that they built an entire city and then buried it, which I'm not sure quite sure how that makes a lot of sense, but that's why they claim it so preserved. And there was a guy that I listened to that

recently went on Rogan. This was maybe within the last six months, but he claims that there's like a huge effort in Turkey to no longer excavate any more of that site. And then the theories abound. Is it because of it totally reshapes ancient history or is it because if they if they keep it partial, they make more money through tourism that wants to come and like see it. I don't know, it's it's debated, but he recently was

bringing this up. I think he's the guy I forget his name, but he's done a lot of stuff on Atlantis and like arguing that it was that place inside the Sahara Desert. If you know what I'm talking about. There's here. Let me pull this up, so Google maps, if you go to Bam Bam and Mauritania. If I go here to like the layers here, there's this right here, so you see this like massive circle.

a large YouTube channel. He's been on Rogan He thinks and makes the affirmative claim that this is Atlantis right here.

that In terms of the ancient world. And then there's another. Uh. I'm split on the one in Antarctica because you know I'm talking about Uh, there's a claimed pyramid there, which sometimes when I look at him, like it's just a mountain, and then from other angles it's like that looks like a pyramid.

looked like it was part of a mountain. But it turned out to be like what they believe to be as a man made pyramid, and supposedly it's the found.

take it to be. They might be deblooking it. But Visoko Bosnia, Bosnian pyramids, that actually that looks like a pyramid, I mean, that does not look like a mountain if you look it up, I mean from certain angles, that looks like a straight up like well.

and that they had buried an emperor. And they recently through sonar and stuff because they can't go in it because they believe it's booby trapped and has all these poisons and stuff because it's apparently, according to them, it's filled with Terracotta warriors soldiers that were close to the emperor, and a bunch of treasure inside. But they believe, based on their understandings of these structures, that it's like booby trapped and if you go in there, there's poisons, mercury,

all types of stuff. To try to kill somebody if they were to take any of the treasure. But yeah, that was I mean that's in the two thousands, right next to a major museum in China, and they just realized that a big hill was actually a man made structure.

Gyou caves. I think this is it. Yes, this is it. So it was just some village and then just drained the water and they found this giant underground structure. I don't even think they know like what it is. Oh wow, like what like who you know? It's just forgotten, like nobody remembers or knows like what Emperor said, build me this cave?

stars and all this different stuff. But I mean, I'm not I'm not like, no, no, no, but I think he I think he has a point that there is some type of connection amongst all these ancient groups after building these structures. There's clearly a phenomenon here.

the very near future and corrected course. But France and especially England, I mean England at the percentage now, I think it's almost twenty percent of the country. I mean, it's that you just imported it.

you very much, Josiah were humble. H BROSSI says, what's STG stand for? I don't know, so I STG. Jay has the best normy tarred americanism man voice. I don't know why a goofy ass mocking voice makes me laugh so hard when I heard it a million times.

and you've talked about this. I mean Islam is appealing to like primitive senses in man, right, so you get like it kind of has like prosperity gospel. So then you know Allah's rewarded you with money. So now you can have four wives and if you want, you can you know, if you're in Chia, you can go purchase a woman for a day. It has all types of stuff that's about like worldly.

mass deportation or totally change course. So the best they could do is just close off immigrant but there's so many people it's already changed the fabric of the country.

line of thought. But he's kind of always staying on top of the latest research and papers that come out, so it may be useful for research on streams. And then H. Brossey says, if this stuff with the pyramids is true, you do realize where the brothers and sistas are going with that. Right? Your cube used to be his big ass brain to do it.

around New Mexico or Utah. I don't remember exactly where this was, but there's this place where there's a like a throne carved into stone out in the desert, and it has these Hebrew letters on it. And can you guess who faked that?

I think everybody here understands hypotheticals. H random use.

that's not as lib as Wikipedia. So you know, if you're asking Rock basically questions about you know, oh when did you know when was James Angleton, the CIA desk chief in Rome, Like he can give you those kinds of things, but beyond that, it's not that great.

It's a totally different thing. And then last one on Dono chat outside one says thank you both for the great work. Curious how Russia play into utilizing its Islamic factions to influence slash warfare and too destabilization efforts. I ask as characters like Dugan speak about flooding Europe with Africans, I've never heard. Is Dugan just describing what's happening or he's I don't think Dugan ever advocates for flooding Europe with Africans.

you know, hear his views on stuff. But I would imagine that the way Russia projects influence and power is not the same type of ways that the West does it with total open borders. Maybe they, I mean, if you look up active measures, that's kind of been their approach to this stuff. If he listen to Mark Hackard and the interviews that we've done, you know, Russia is limited in its capabilities of what it does in foreign espionage operations. I mean, they have illegals, they have units

and spies that do things like every other country. But I don't think they have the kind of capabilities of what the democratic establishment in America claims that they have, right like the Democrats or they're running everything. They've got Trump and they've got you know, Elon Musk in their pocket and they're all you know what I mean, it's

just these outlandish claims. At the same time as the same democratic media is like Russia's collapsing, They're losing the war, they're bankrupt, but at the same time they're like running Donald Trump. Like none of it makes any sense. So, I mean, I don't know if they have any plans of pushing open borders, but it's I guess it's possible, but I don't know.

of stuff. And then like because of that term, you had people latch onto that term and say, oh, we'll see that means putince involved in compromising Donald Trump and making him an operative. But it goes back to Soviet intelligence as to one of their plans of how they engage in subversion. But one of the things that was mentioned maybe ten twelve years ago was that because Russia is not as powerful as the West, they don't have the ability to engage in all the same types of

operations that NATO and the West have. So one of their strategies has been to push more truth based narratives. And that's why you'll see a lot more of artsa RT for example. I mean, they're more banned and censored

in the West since the war. But prior to that, you noticed that Art was pushing a lot of the same stuff that Lord Goldemart pushed, right, And that's because the idea was that it's more effective to just go after truth based narratives in terms of journalism versus the way that America runs its international disinformation networks and campaigns, which requires a lot of lying, a lot of money, a lot of you know, international writers, ap like all

this stuff which turns out junk. That takes a lot more money and power and effort to run a giant network of this info. And so Russia's vantage point was that it's more effective to run truth based narratives versus massive disinfo like the West.

King's on ART still that like they are huge. ART is huge in places like India and like other parts of the world, Central and South America. RT is ginormous, and so he was talking about how it's if your message is to get globally. Meanwhile, it's banned here in the United States, but he was talking about how they, like it's the only media company he's worked for that

does not curate your show or your message. And gets back to your point, is like they allow people to have dissident information that's truthful and and it's built up a credibility in which that art is trusted and incredibly popular in different parts of the world.