The the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I want this to go well, Jay Dyer, welcome to the show Man. What's up man, Glad to be here. What's up, Dode, Glad to be here? Thanks for having me? Yeah, no, you know what, Jay, I wanted to say, thanks for coming on. Man. You're the biggest, biggest guest we've ever had, so I really want to say thank you. You have no idea how much this means to
me. Especially Tiny Tiny's a very big fan of yours, Tiny Tim Tiny he's my co host top Light lit Cheese goes by Tiny. Yeah. By the way, we just got fifteen from Dan Randy w I'm Randy Show. We Love you or No, I love you Dan, I love you Dan. I'm so excited. So basically, I think we have enough listeners. I don't. I think this is gonna be one of the biggest shows unironically, so I'm very excited. So Jay, I just wanted to let you know we're gonna kind of let the two debating sides go at it, and
then us as Christians. I feel like towards the end, we can have a we can bring in some clarity on how we would perceive these uh versus that yacht will probably bring a thought it was a three way debate, you mean at the very end? No, no, no, I just mean let's let them get going, you know what I mean, because because they're Yacht and Boxing are going to kind of start it off going at each other as all. Okay, so is it time debate or not? No,
it's more free form. It's more free form. Yeah, definitely give way. Definitely give way. Like let's say, if if Boxing is talking, or let's say, if my brother cut his I is talking, I'm not gonna I'm not an interrupted like that. Now, of course there's an audio app so there's gonna be moments where he may interrupt me and vice versa. But we try to keep it, you know, as a bat. Now it is a battle though. Nonetheless though, but I wouldn't just cut him
off for no reason. Yeah, and let me say, wait, can I say one thing, Randy? Go ahead? Yeah, that's why I try to get mentioned here because listen, I do know you know, okay, I'm not about it judaism, but like I will say that I've never essentially establish myself as a rabbinical scholar Judaism. So what would you what would you classify yourself as. I'm a Jew. I grew up in a conservative Syeneagogue os moar mix, but I been Israel. I know a decent amount
about the religion. I know some of the stuff that you guys will talk about that I could probably dispute pretty you know, easily, I guess. And oh, it sounds like you was tapping out, but it sounds like you ready. So yeah, I'm I'm gonna whoever wants to the floor first, I'm boxing. I'm gonna I'm gonna give it Yacht to kind of say, can I let Cutters introduce himself? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I appreciate it. Yeah, go ahead, what's going down? I'm a Kevin Cuts out of Israelite school universal and practical knowledge, and you know what I'm saying, I'll really be on Twitter like that. So I'm gonna just go with the flow from that. Yeah, that's awesome. So I'm gonna let Yacht go first and kind of give his general argument. I feel like that would be beneficial to everyone because he does have the most complex belief system.
I'll say that. So, Randy, I don't know if you covered it yet, but I'd wanted to say that if any anybody in the audience has questions, you can send a super chat to Randy and he'll read him off at the end. Uh, if you have questions for the for the good. Yeah. So let's let's get started. It's seven o six the show's first started by now, so yacht Well, I'm Captain Tazariak of SBK. We teach that in North, Central and South America that the original children
of the book are the Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Indians. Now, of course we're scattered across the four corners, so we are like in Africa, Europe and stuff like that. We also teach that the people that claim to be Jewish or impostors, they are not the real Jewish people. According to the Bible, the term Jewish is not in the Old Testament. There are twelve tribes of Israel. So even when you use the term Juda as a context, Jue could be the Southern Kingdom or ju could be the tribe
of Judah. In some instances in the New Testament, it doesn'tencompass all of them, but you'll see different tribes. So we teach and break down who the actual Israelites are. Even the state of Israel was established by Zionist Jews, and if we have to, we can get into that history from the eighteen I think like nineties or something when they established that, and they wasn't
even looking for the State of Israel the location that it's in. They were just looking for any place because Europeans didn't want them in the land, no way. So that's our position, so to speak, and we do subscribe to the Old and New Testament. Always tell brothers and sisters if they have in a position politically but they got to answer a question, they could simply say they are a Messianic Jew that will help people understand the lens that we
come from. So I deal with that, and then boxing do you kind of want to tell everyone what side you'll be arguing, and then I'm just
gonna let you guys go. Yeah. I mean there's I'm pretty like sure that the majority of the context and the Bible references is almost like in the future tense, like you refer to the Bible and then you essentially see things that happened occurred since because it's a new religion, right, the establishment of the black keeper Israelites is not that old the actual sect of it, right, So you use the Bible as kind of a framework on things that occurred
and pieces. I'm not an expert on the translation, but a lot of like religious scholars, and they're not just Jews, people of Christian faith have agreed that the translation technique that you guys use for certain words is wrong. That's one thing that I've definitely seen many of times. Again, I don't I know a little bit of Hebrew. I'm not fluent, but that's a
common thing I've said. And the other thing is is that there's a lot of historical inaccuracies that you guys will touch upon, Like, for example, you guys somehow believe that you know the unique oppression of black and brown people, then will I guess qualify you guys as the chosen people, which again is singular minded ultimately, because you're ignoring a lot of you know, historical
oppressions of a specific group of people that you guys call the impostors. Right, But kind of like to go to my main, but you know my main, I guess griper issue I have with you guys, is that, to me, your entire existence, what I've seen is that you are trying to essentially discredit other people by making your people like as supreme people. In other words, you go around saying that you're the chosen people. And I will say this as someone who like I've seen it, but it's not like
a common thing. I do not go around telling anybody I'm the chosen person. It's kind of like an asshole move overall speaking just you know, it's a dick move. But anyways, that's kind of my opening thoughts. I guess, well, if that's a big move right and walking around chosen people, there's not a greater people that portray that type of attitude or concept than
white people in general. When you talk about misplacing people, and you know, I speak broad like this conversation is mainly about Jewish people, but white people in general came to North America and now they North America, and they displaced all the negative Indians put in on reservations. Y'all displaced the Palestinians because y'all claim to be the chosen people. Is the biggest difference. And I'm
gonna use the words you use when you say dick. The biggest dick would have to be y'all because y'all murdered and displaced the Palestinians to establish the land that you don't have right to on the premise that y'all are chosen people, whereas black people over here are just accessing their identity biblically. Biblically, every nation can be established in the Bible. So all we're doing is saying what we are. Y'all are not only saying what you are, you're killing people
and the name of the people that you are. We ain't murder nobody because of who we are, but y'all have. So if you want to swing a dick or some shit like that, or say it's obnoxious or whatever words you want to use, then Michael Jackson had this great song. You got to look at the man in the mirror, even when you made up the point about you want to say something, even when you bring yeah exactly, I mean, do I get the comment on the opening statements, I'm confused.
I thought it was a three way to he was in it now, Yeah, I just wanted to let the the two self. I guess I'm gonna say choose and because I thought, Randy, yeah, that's fine, you want to say that. Thought said it was the Israelites. It was the real issue versus the impossive Israelites. I didn't think they Okay, so I was in it. Yeah, I didn't think the Christians. Hold on, hold on, why don't we all why don't we have a three way I mean I thought this, I agreed to a three way debate. That's
what I thought was up whenever you want. But kind of the whole point of the debate is kind of based off the whole. So don't come in here, muddy and see that's the white privilege. Hold on, I want to know it's not white privileges. Not having equals equal equal response to you was not white privilege, because you know I'm right, that's that white privilege. For a three way debate, it's a three way debate, would Randy don't come on? Jay? Yeah, I don't want you to mute.
I just want to say this, ja ja. I just want to I want to opening statement that the comments on what you said. This point, Jay, I don't have a problem with just be I just want to make this one point and then you got it. This is the white privileged box scene that I was telling you about. Randy clearly said that this debate was between my side of Israelite and your side of Israelite. But white privilege won't let j be quiet and let us have the dialogue. But y'all got it,
y'all got I agree to a three way debate. That's why I'm here. Ja. You are, like I said, I want it. I want you to jump in whenever you want. But the kind of whole platt, I guess how do I say this? Like the the whole I don't know the word, but like foundation of the debate is based on Jews and
Hebrew is a good point, right and orthodox Christian. No, it's not you're right, You're right, you're wrong, Jay, because it has to also include Christians because they're just they dispute Christians ultimately because if they I'm giving that Christian response to Boxing, well that's a three way debate. So the christianers, hey listen, and now that Jew that told you all y'all brothers, Jay and Boxing, y'all are the same type of way, man,
because which all you're doing is complaining because you can't handle the debate. Are you gonna? Are you gonna debate or complain? Okay, because I can refute everything you said in your opening statement and make you look sick. I'm gonna make you look silly right now. I'm gonna make you look silly right now. Okay, But I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a gift. I'm gonna try to help you out. I bet you're not helping me out. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm a refute in about a minute.
You ready to be refuted in a minute. You said that Jew doesn't exist in Then you said Jew doesn't exist in the Old Testament. I'm gonna show you right here the word jew. You said, the word you wasn't an Old Testament. That's what you said, Jewish simple, it's right here. Zachariah A. Twenty three. Zacharyah A twenty three. No problem, No problem. So when I when I finished talking, you said you could do it in a minute, which means you would have to be quiet for
sixty seconds. You major open a statement, You major opening statement. It's my turn in a minute, within a minute. I don't mean in a minute. I don't mean it in the black sense of it's been a minute. I don't mean it's been a minute. I mean in one minute. I can refew in one minute. That's what I mean. And you're going to Zachariah eight in twenty three, correct, and it's gonna say Jewish. Correct. It's on the screen, Zachariah eight in twenty three in front of
me. It's on a screen. It's on a screen right now. What version are you reading? What version of the Bible are you reading? We can go to any version you want. I'm into King James verses and correct eight in twenty three does say it the Lord of hosts in those days it shall come to pass that ten men shall take the hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take the hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying we would go with you. Oh, you've heard
that God is with you. Did you know that when you said the word Judea, that's where the word you comes from. So you are a few to yourself in your opening statement. In your opening statement, you said Judea in the Old Testament. You gotta let us work this out. You just read the verse yourself and made yourself look dumb. Dude, ain'tybody? Okay, So you said the word jew is not in the Old Testament. You just read it. You did your opening statement. You said the word jew
is not the Old Testament. Did I say the word jew or the word Jewish is not the Jewish? It doesn't matter. It's the New Kings. Yet premise is to try to get it. Got your moment and you just please yourself. The word Jewish just means people of it. You're that dumb. You're that dumb. You think Jewish is not the same thing as jew. No, it's not, because in a New Testament the word Jewish is in there. That's why I was specific. I do this, I do
this. You don't know anything about what you're talking about, the fact that you do this, you do this, I do that, But you do this is but I do that. You haven't let him talk. You gotta let him talk. But he said, I was lying. I just no, you're you don't even know that the word Jewish refers to Jews people of that religion. He said that the word Jewish is any Old Testament. It is right, you know, understand you intercedente, You understand that most translations
translate that as Jewish. Right, the King James? On what basis do you know the King James is right? Now? You want to go to something else? No, I don't even know what. Why? On what basis do you accept that? Because of where the King James is translated from? From British kings? Do you do you accept British kings? Do you accept British kings? My brother, this is your scholar, this is you accept a British you accept? Do you accept a British king? If you
know anything about kings? Kings don't do work if they give work. So King James, I know here, I know that. Okay, why do you accept his authoritative translation though? That's what I'm asking? Okay again you act I answered that question already. No, you did, because this I did. I said I accept the King James because of where it was translated from. It was translated from the Meagerreitic text, which is used as the Aleppo and the Leningrad. I believe as the translated from, which is older
than the King James. So when you ask me what I use, that's what I use. And so the King James translation, which does not have the word Jewish, and Zachariat eight and twenty three would be older than any modern translation that tries to put the word Jewish in there. Hold on, you know, I said, you know what the historicist fellow, the fact that it's older, it doesn't mean anything. That's a fallacy. That's a fallacy. You don't even know what a fallacy is. The fact that it's
older doesn't mean anything. Hold on, hold on. Jay hasn't got to give his introduction yet, and you guys and arguments to introduce himself and let him know his You're gonna let everyone know his position and background and stuff. Thanks right. The New Testament, by the way, that comes down to us, that's used in the go ahead, Juble mute. So we're gonna give Jay the floor. Go ahead, j Yeah. The New Testament texts
that are used in the Orthodox Church are the received texts. Those are the texts of the basis for the King James when it translates the New Testament. The fact that the King James relies on in part the masoretic text for the Old Testament really has nothing to do with today's debate, because it depends on whether you're a Christian or not. The Christians of the Early Church, particularly the New Testament writers Paul for the most part, predominantly use the septuagent,
which is what the Orthodox Church uses. But it doesn't matter either way because I don't know if this is your position, but other Blackkeeper Israelites that I've heard, they actually think the word Jewish means kind of like I'm gay. It sort of gay, but not totally gay. That's not what the word Jewish means. That's a super dom low iq move if that's what you think.
I don't know if that's your position, But to think that the word Jewish just it means something totally different than a collection of Jews and their beliefs is ridiculous and utterly absurd. You said that the tribe of jew dah in the Old Testament, and then you said that the word Jewish is not in the Old Testament. Well, in this translation, it is in the Old Testament. So now you're gonna have to justify which translation you use. I
didn't hear any justification for that. I heard that the King James is older. That's a fallacy. It's called the historicist fallacy. The fact that something's older has nothing to do with whether it's true or false. It might be true, it might be false, but being older has absolutely nothing to do with it. It doesn't prevent anything. It's called a historicist fallacy. Beyond that, Paul says in Romans three that Jews of the Old Testament had the
oracles of God committed to them. Jesus says in John four, salvation is of the Jews against the s Garthans and the Samaritan woman. So these are just some basic introductory texts that even boxing, I think would know correctly totally refutes everything that your cult started with and has made up. It's a totally invented thing. In the last I don't know, one hundred years. I think it was the first ruminations of this sect popping up. Has no connection
whatsoever with his history or reality. You have no basis to say that you prefer the King James text other than yet you had some idea about something being older in these texts that you think are older, but older doesn't mean anything. The Hebrew texts are older than you, and they don't back up you. They back up our position. So older, if we're going to go to ancient Jewish texts have nothing to do with the modern African slave trade.
They're not about that. Deuteronomy is not about that. This is just ludicrous, a Randy, I just want to ask you a question. Just before I respond, Jay, you made a point to say your position so i'd know Boxing's position. So, because I initially thought it was just between my side and boxing side, what is your position so I can know what I'm attacking on you. You haven't established he brought up like you brought up Romans eight. Orthodox. I'm an Orthodox Christian. I said Romans three. Right,
you brought out Romans three. But what is your position that I am going to contend with? You're saying what you'll believe that what the Bible is for everybody? Like, what is your because as as I'm assuming that's your position as a Christian, I believe Orthodox Christianity is the true Church, and I believe the Orthodox Christianity is the successor to the Old Testament promises gotcha. So if I'm battling you, specifically you and your side, it would be
like God loves everybody, and I would say no he doesn't. You would say yes he does? Right? What, Yeah, we believe God loves everyone? Sure? Right, mean like Christ, I'll be more specifical. Wait wait boxing, wait boxing, wait boxing, I'm just trying to miss box. No boxing. I know your point. I just want to know what his agenda is so I could know what I'm responding to. That's all. I'm trying to Orthodox Chritianity, so I don't know if you know about
the Eastern Orthodox Church. And by the way, I forgot to mention the Book of Maccabe's mentioned the Book of Maccabe's mentioned the religions of the Jews the religion of the Jesus. So let me make it more specific. You believe that Jesus died for all nations that believe on him, right, Yeah, sure, okay, I don't so. I just wanted to when I speak to you, I know I'll be speaking to you with from that lens. I know when I'm speaking to Box and I'll be speaking from that lens.
I want God desire who's on my side as well. I want him to speak. But I just want to clarify just two things. Number One, when I said the King James was older, that's not what I said. What I said was where they got it translated from was older. It wouldn't matter. It does, Jay, I didn't interrupt you. I'll let you go. You misquoting me. The only reason I'm clearing this up is because you said, I said the King James was older. That's what I know.
The tax that that it relies on it. I know what you said, the tax that it relies on is older, because that's the argument I was making you when you have to interrupt somebody when I'm just clearing up what you said about me that No, you just didn't understand the argument I did. Why you can't just be quiet? You hurt you because because you can't have a conversation about it, I am having a conversation about it. Then you should let me explain what I meant that I wasn't misunderstanding you. Did
you? Oh? You know, all you can do is fucking fuss. Dude. You can't even argue what did I say? What did I say? That King James is translated from? You said the text that it came from are older. It doesn't matter. It won't matter whether you're talking about either one. What was it that it translated from? How does it? How does this avoid the historical fallacy? Because when you asked me, why did we follow the king? It's asked ask there's no apps, it's asked
me not. Now you're saying that I can't battle. But now you'll be a cynical. So now you asked me where it was translated from. I gave you three that it was translated from. What were those three names? You mentioned three textual traditions? Which which were I don't remember what you said, but it doesn't matter because you said it's older. Here's why you said the maseratic and something else, and it won't matter because it's those Do you
even understand the argument? I just want to finish, finish. You're trying to reply to an argument that you don't understand. I'm not replying to an argument. I'm replying to a question that you asked difference. It's asked for the asking why do we follow the King James? And I answered it, And because I said, your answer was a fallacy. You don't understand that matter of fact. Okay, did dis prove that they the kingscuse mean King
James translates from? It doesn't matter. That's why you don't even understand what the fallacy. You don't understand the argument that you're saying that we're Jewish is in Zachariah eight and twenty three, because in the Hebrew or the Greek word Jewish is not in Zachariah eight and twenty three. And that's how we got here, because you was trying to correct me and you were incorrect. You don't even understand what a historical fallacy is. So how are you gonna make
this argument a reply to it? It doesn't matter which you just keep talking because you can't understand the argument. I'm sorry that you can't being quiet. I'm lay up the point of contention because you're and you're not answering the objection because you don't understand the fallacy. Can you can you even tell me what a historical fallacy is? What that fallacy is? What's the historical fallacy? What's a historicist fallacy? You don't know. When you have your time to
speak, you can say what you want. I'm just laying down a point of contention and then you can respond. The argument was you're making a fallacy. You don't know what the fallacy was that I said the word no my argument against you. You don't have to rehearse the whole conversation. I was here for it. I remember it. The argument I made is that you committed a fallacy, that you made a mistake. We can My argument has not been addressed. I called you, I said you committed a fallacy.
You don't know what a fallacy is? Do you know what a fallacy is? A word? You said the word Jewish is in the Old Testament? Yes or no? As a Christian, you should tell the truth, right. Did you not say the word Jewish was in the Old Testament? Yes or no? It is in the Old Testament because the significance of the word can be the meaning of that term. You don't even understand the meaning of
the word. You think that it means like Jewish like kind of I wasn't want to ask the question, asking asking questions, guys, I don't want to mute the room, but trying to not talk over each other. What is a fallacy? Can you? Can you tell me what a fallacy is? Because I don't think you can debate if you don't even know what that is. Well, clearly you can't debate if you can't so you don't know what a fallacy is, So you don't know what If you don't know the
basic roles of logic, and you're here to debate what's a fallacy? For you? What's a fallacy? I'm about to read it. Oh you google it, you googled it. All I'm about to do is read it for you. Because you googled it, so you didn't know what so so you yapp and while you google it, keep yapping and keep googling. Can you google fast enough? Keep yapping? I want everybody to pay attention, he says, I can't battle with to be he's the only one ad Homine.
No, I'm just making jokes because you're I'm making jokes because this is this is a circus, read the stage. But you're the only joke on here. Because when we go through this word Jewish, you're going to be wrong. I showed you, and you can't give me a basis. I showed you and Zachariah eight Hebrew translates to Jewish and zachar yeah correct. And you don't know. You have no basis for you have no basis for which translation is better all them? Oh you do, you're so emotional. Listen to
you. You don't even know what a fallacy is. You had to google it? Live. Here's the Hebrew word for juke in Zachariah eight and twenty three. This is the word. So now you're now you're a Hebrew scholar three six four YAHOODI. It says jew jew judah. That means people who are Jewish. You didn't know that. Once again, you didn't know that. You didn't know that that's what the word Jewish means. The word Jewish refers to those people. You're this stupid. Once again, you don't know
that is the argument that I've made that you responded to. You don't know that the word Jewish refers to those things we're Jewish. If I look up the word Jewish in the New Testaments can be in the Bible. There's one verse Titus fourteen. It is not giving heat to You are so dumb that you don't know that the word Jewish refers to the same thing. It's the same reference. You're that stupid. You are this stupid. He can't admit
that he tried to have a gotcha moment. It was just wrong historical fallacy. It's not wrong. You don't even know what the fallacy is. The definition you're You don't even making a basic romance you're making a grammar mistake. You understand this is a grammar mistake you are because Jewish is the same thing. It means, the same thing is saying. So you think Greeks if I say the word Greeks, it doesn't refer to a person who's a Greek. That's how dumb you are. That's how dumbn this is. Just do
the word. Does the word Greeks not refer to a Greek? Does the word Greeks? Oh, you're that dumb you are. This is the dumbest argument I've ever had in my life. Greeks refers to a person who's a Greek. Jewish refers to a person who's a Jew. Because you're you're you don't understand what you're talking about, Like the words come out of your mouth. Don't you don't even know what you're saying. You just said. You just said, Greeks doesn't refer to a Greek. That is so dumb,
because there's two types of Greeks Greeks, and they're both Greeks. That proves the boy you can't even think for your sentences. You don't even understand the sentences you're making. You if you're not going to give. The whole chat is laughing at you. The whole chat laughing at you. Dude. You started with the you started with the race whining, You started with that. Have this conversation. I would not interrupt him. You can't have a conversation
because you can't argue at a basic level. You don't have basic critical thinking skills. Because you don't have basic critical thinking skills. First of all, y'all put him in an argument that it was just between me and boxing. According to all you can do is ye. No, I was invited here as a three way de bate. I was invited as a three way to
bait. That's why I'm here. Let me say something, Okay, Ultimately it's we're essentially arguing the same thing in this context because his religion doesn't exist in my premises, it's not a religion whatever, whatever you find, all right, this is actual. This is a literal lunatic. This person doesn't even that is literally this is a legit woman to play attention, right, because you don't even know what the words you're saying meaning to say anything.
Because I've been called a lunatic, you are a lunatate. You are to be called a lunatic called anybody. Yeah you're dead. You whined about white privilege. What are you talking about? Who cares? Okay, we're not sensitive to that, but like I'm not at all either. Clearly, all you do is wine. But let me say something, just hold on. You don't understand the premise. In other words, his religion again, we
could dispute. I guess you know, the New Testament, and like the belief in Jesus which with with that quote unquote imposters Jews, which I guess you could define us as doesn't exist unless my premise is correct. So this is why it's not a three way debate. We're arguing history and not Your whole religion is based off of linguistic fallacies and and essentially it's all historical fallacies because you're you're connecting dots that don't exist. It's literally like based off no,
no, no, I'm saying this is what it is. So and then you and then you finish up. So you're using terms linguistically incorrect in modern English and also in the historical languages to then create a narrative which which to me or Jay or other people is just not there. Okay, Okay, so Box and I appreciate you saying that the linguistic part, I wouldn't mean a jaya. I wouldn't say that I'm using a linguistic argument because just
like you're not fluent in you literally sat here arguing linguistics. All right, I'm out. This is I'm out of here. This is the dumbest thing I've ever been a part of. This is so stupid. Oh my gosh, he sat here arguing linguistics for thirty minutes. I am not gonna linguist the argument. I am not gonna linguist I can't do it. I'm out. That was That's unreal. We've got super chats. I got like a bunch of notes. I'm ready to go into Old Testament texts, and I
mean we're like we're like at fourth grade. Okay, so forget all the arguments I had though all these notes I got out here, So that ain't going nowhere. I can't No, I can't do that. That's just too that's too low tier spirit Salma five dollars. Vic Tardu dreams as a slow boy that thinks he can debunk objective morality. He has crap videos. Well, I believe you. But thank you for that link, bumblebee ten dollars. This is so good. Oh my gosh, thank you. Well,
I'm glad you had fun. I'm glad you enjoyed it. If I stay in there, it's just gonna be yelling and arguing, and it's you're not dealing with a person who has basic critical thinking. So I don't see any point in staying in that. This is not a coherent person. I mean, this is what you get with Black Keeper Israelite just this as an insane cult. I mean to rehearse the point here. The word Jewish is used there because it's referring to those people, and the word Jewish, like the
word Greeks, is just referring to groups of people. Obviously everyone in the chat can see that. Now. I did a stream analyzing Black Keeper Israelite theology a while back, and if you remember one of their quote, bishops said that Jewish they actually think that means like like, uh, you know, Ish, like kinda right, like he's what's an Ish word that I'm thinking of? Like this, right, this is how dumb. This is not greek Ish. They actually think that it means like there's Jews and then
there's those who are Jewish, right like kind of but not really. That's how stupid they are, like that they don't understand that the word sweetish exactly. They're Swedes. And then there's this other group of people that live there that are a sweetish. They're not really Swedes, right, I'm not joking. There's Poles. And then you got people who are I mean, this is how stupid we're talking about. I mean, I'm sorry, but it's not mean to just sit here and say that some people are stupid. There's
fools who are foolish. So so no, by the way, I agreed to a three way debate, so I didn't like coming there and it being like, oh, this is a two way debate and you sit and listen, sit and listen to this madness. Are you kidding? I can't do that. I'm sorry, I can't do it. Total waste of time. But anyway, so that the word, the word using as Zachariah is there because it's talking about a Jewish man who's a what's a Jewish man? A man who is a Jew? It means the same thing. No, it
don't, No, it don't, yes it does. Greeks are the same thing as a Greek, because there's different types of Greeks. If they're both Greeks, even if they're Hellenic Greeks or they're non Hellenic Greeks, they're both Greeks. So the text has translated that it doesn't matter whether it says the sleeve of a Jew or a Jewish man, it means the same thing. So silly this is. And by the way, Maccabees I just remembered, does mention these things. Now he's gonna say, oh, don't accept them
books. You don't accept those books? On what basis do you not accept those books? That's why, that's why I was going to the historical fallacy, because he said the text that the King James uses are older. So how do we know that just because something as older is therefore true. I mean, ancient Hindu texts are really old. They're older than the masoretic texts. Probably does that make them true because older? I mean, this is
the fallacy, it's historical fouls right. But now there is in mccabees, which is the Old Testament, the many mentions of Jews as well as I'm pretty sure the Jewish because they signed the mccabees make a deal with the Jews after they draw up a constitution, and it talks about the Jews. So anybody who's read mccabees knows this. Trying to find the chapter of the constitution they drew up. So this is just talking to complete just idiots. I
mean, I'm not I'm sorry. It's just that way. Like this domain out here is fully By the way, doesn't Esther mention the Jews. I'm pretty sure Estra does. Two. Oh yes. Esther est mentions the Jews the word Jew and he even said, Yudah, Yehudah. The people of the tribe of Yehuda. Guess what the word Jew means, Yehudah. It's the Jews Judeans. So when he opened his statement, his opening statement was you don't find Jewish in the Old Testament, and then he talked about the
Old Testament tribes of Judah. He contradicted himself in his opening statement. That's how stupid this is. Uh, And the book of Esther mentions the Jews constantly say this is just so stupid. If people have never read the Old Testament, I mean, if they had read it, they would know that where is the constitution text. It's been a few years since I read Macadie's, but they drop up a constitution. I think it's at the end of
Second Maccabees because they talk about the the Romans. They make a deal with the Romans, the zame I have that handy. Let me just look it up. So when they recapture the Temple or excuse me, the Jerusalem, there's a whole chapter on them setting up across the tution to defend their nation state. I'm not thinking of Third Macabees. I mean, does anybody in the chat know it's something? Her head? Is it first Maccabee six?
You're saying it's not First Maccabee six. That's not right anyway. These people are crazy, But uh no, I mean it's pretty clear. I mean, the Book of Maccabees is it's about the mccabee family and their history, and of course the Hebrews eleven vindicates and reaffirms that history as legitimate. Right. So if you believe Hebrews eleven, you have to believe the Book of Maccabe's because it refers to it. So, oh, here we go?
Is this it? This drives me crazy. I'm like father Deacon and an ice, whereas like when you start looking for something you can't find it, You're like, I don't know where is it? But anyway, it's a Jewish historical book and it's part of the Old Testament, so it's ludicrous to say that is this it? Yeah, here we go Roman Jewish treaty. Yeah, exactly, Okay, what chapter it's in? Okay, First of all, that doesn't help me out. First, Maccabee's what eight, there
we go? Yeah, okay, the fact with the Romans, and then somewhere it mentions them having a national constitution? Is it this chapter? So anyway, but newsflash, it's all about the Jewish people. So it's so silly. And the Book of Esther, right, the entire Book of Esther is about this so and I mean other books as well, right, I Judith the Book of Judith is also right because Judith saved the Jews. H I'm just looking to see if, by chance, well, let's just do
it this way. We should even use his authoritative KGB KJV translation. That's not right, that's I want to search. It's not changing. Oh what do you know? Neamiah five to one against their Jewish brethren. Neamiah five eight. Esther six, Oh, look at that, I mean, because the translation is just reflecting the Jewish people. Me and I I five eight. According to our ability, we have the ability to redeem our Jewish brethren.
Esther six thirteen Jewish descent Jeremiah thirty four to nine Jewish Brethren bondage zechari A twenty three taken a hold of Sleep of a Jewish Man. So yeah, it's just ludicrous. But now this isn't even showing the Dudero canon. Let's see online Dudero canon or will it? They'll probably say apocryphone, won't they mm, So it's not gonna Let me search the Doudo canon, the dodo O cana. Let's say apocrypha kt JV. Can we search the apocrypha?
Interesting? Alright, this is these stupid Protestant websites are gonna be crazy. Get out of here, sirih We don't wanna talk to you. Okay, that's right, all right, anyway, you guys get the point. Burnt muffin seven one one ten dollars. Thank you have again at recently attending Orthodox church reading more about whether ours Christian any Thanks for all you do. Thank you, No I am a dollar. Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, what does that mean? Is that a Seinfeld reference? I don't get it,
Noah, but thank you Noah, and three dollars. I wish you could have gotten a level minded black keeper Israelite into Come on, dude, I mean people that are that susceptible to believe the absurdity of this, this stupid thing, Like, are they going to be level headed? I mean, maybe there is somebody out there, but I want to understand it better than where it came from. It's a dude, It's a crazy cult. Man. It's not even like it's it's just nuts. So you're not gonna
get intelligent people that can defend a crazy position. It is not holistic. It doesn't answer any big, big picture question, of course, not seems basically we was Israelites and she yeah, that's exactly what it is. Noah, M again, three dollars. Please use this stream and go over the notes that you have prepared. Well. I was just gonna go over the Messianic prophecies because I thought it was going to be a debate about who the
person. I assumed this would go in the direction of who the person of Jesus is right, because you've got the black Keeber Israelite with whoever he thinks Jesus is black, black man Jesus. You got the Jewish guy who's gonna say it doesn't believe in Jesus. And then so I thought the debate would naturally go to, well, who's the propheci Messiah. Well, no, we can't even we can't even get to that because it's it's not even that, it's it's lower IQ than even that coop a truth for one dollar.
Give Tim Gordon smoke. Truth comes before friendship. He has had a lot to say lately. I don't think we have to give people smoke because I'm I mean, I feel bad for Roman Catholics. People think I'm like being mean to them. Look, it's getting worse and worse for them. Man, I don't I'm not being We should have we should love those people and have pity on them. Skuma bear five dollars thank you for correcting his asking questions about dis and Daddy. She it exactly DM one hundred dollars. I
was a Roman Catholic society, says the tenth person. But I decided recently to convert and I was received into the Orthodox Church. I want to give credit to three people in this conversion, Jay Dyer number one, David Arhon number two, and number three Pope Francis, who is the greatest living Orthodox apologist. Wow, great news, DM, so glad to hear that. You know, people are moving away from tragcat world into Orthodoxy. Appreciate that so much. And hey, man, you don't have to give me one
hundred dollars. I appreciate that. But that's a that's a fat stack of super chat there. Appreciate it, doctor Badgisi one dollar. Black Hueber Israelites have circumcised their brains instead of their foreskin. Seems to me that they forgot that what Mohammad said about people of black descent. Yeah, Muhammad was not very favorable to those people, But they're not Mohammedan's. So you might be thinking of black you might be thinking of Nation of Islam, who also,
by the way, are not actually Muslims. So neither black keeper Israelites nor Nation of Islam are actually connected to Islam. Black Hebre Israelites are like a wild sect that has invented this idea that all of the passages in the Old Testament about the Jews are actually referring to black people because they were oppressed and enslaved. It's it's that dumb, so it has no real connection to reality.
This is why you'll see rappers. In fact, I saw another rapper I think it was Exhibit, and he was on, uh, some clip, let's see if we can find that clip of black Jesus or blacks. He was basically falling for this stupid stuff too. Like, Yo, you've seen them old icons. Them old icons is proven black Jesus. Dude, it was a maybe it wasn't Exhibit, maybe it was maybe it was busta rhn was a bust of RUMs. There was an Instagram clip going around.
I've already lost it now another one of the rappers, right, they see the pictures of the icons and the icons that have aged, and then they think that, oh, that means that Jesus and the real saints, the real church are all black people. I'm not joking. That's that's what this is based on. You guys are thinking, oh, this is some like
deep conspiratorial argument where we're going into the text. No, it's not even that they think that, Like when it says Jesus had was what was that one guy saying, look, I did a stream on this and you see, he'll see how dumb it is. It's like, I mean, this is way below like Jehovah's Witnesses and that kind of stuff. It's even worse than that. Jerry was a Jerry Springer reference. Oh okay, I jumped into the mid debate and it was total chaos. Eugene five dollars. Can
you debate dudes in pajamas that hang out at seven to eleven? He's my big bro. That would probably be a better debate than what we had tonight. So yeah, but hey, it's entertaining. These kind of debates are always definitely entertaining. Franki D five dollars, Jae. I didn't know I was one of the people of the book. Oh so Frankie D is a chocolate toned man. Know he's a Mexican man. I didn't realize that black keeprisuelies include Mexicans either. So Frankie D. There you go, buddy,
and you barely made a cup bro. Hey, Hey, we're trying to cut off who the people of God is. Bro. Hey, though we got we barely made the cup, man, and you better get some guys out of here, because this dude, he's kind of got a little bit of dark, but not really. It might just be a sun than this fool. Hey, he might not make the cup. Bro, That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Ah BROSSI five dollars.
We need some crazy Randy Balls converting these Roman Catholics to become the one holy. Oh Randy Balls needs Wait, Randy Balls needs to convert and become the pope, or right, Randy Balls com boats to convert the Pope. I'm confused, but either way I'm down with it. I don't care if if Francis goes to Randy Ball's cathedral. Let's just be ecumenists. And how both Dude Randy Balls got this is as much legitimacy as Francis. Dude, why are you trying to Why are you trying to divide? Why are you trying
to get into dividing and divisionizing? Noah, Am, I used to work for a car dealership in the Inner City. We got to trade in from a black customer. When I cleaned it out, I found a black keeper Israelite Bible. Oh wow, they have black They had their own Bible.
It had portraits of Jesus in it, and they're all black. Yeah, so I'm trying to remember that one guy's argument when we did livestream on this, and he's like a bishop of the Black he rises, he said that when it describes Jesus appearing to John Revelation in chapter one, his hair was white and ruddy. He said, that's he said, it's white like the hair on a goat or on a What does he say? What's the text? Ay? Anyway, he's trying to say that it's it's an afro.
I'm not joking because it says it's white like a lamb or a hair of a lamb or something. Let me see what's the text say. I mean like wool. That's what it was, right, So that when Jesus appears and his hair is white like wool, what's wool like? The wolve's like an afro. That's what he says. He's like Jesus was black. That's that's the level of the argument we're talking about. Go watch the video.
That's that's how insane this is. I'm not joking. He literally he says white like wool means that his hair was what's the word I'm looking for? Not not nappy, but like, uh, scrunched. How do you describe black people's hair? Not sheep hair, scrunched hair like like crushed up hair like like like turned in on his stuff self hair? Like? What's the word I'm looking for? There's a name for this that type of hair, and I can't think of it. It's not wool burnt hair. It's not
burnt hair. That's that's not that's not nice. Now there's kinky is not the right is it? Kinky is the right word? No? Anyway, maybe kinky is the word I'm trying to think of. Well, my hair grows out. I'll put it in my pony till today, so it's like it's straight. But if I don't do that, if I get out of the bathtub and just let it go, it turns in. I got like a white dude fro almost like it's kind of straight right here. But this
turns outo a big puffball dude. So I don't know. I'm just trying to say, if the black keeper Israelites are correct, do I get a pass? If I get enough curls going look at these listen, I'm gonna get out of the baths up next time, I'm gonna let it go and then y'all can decide do I make the cut. Curly. I'm not talking about curly. I'm not talking about to weave. Kinki is a word I'm looking for. I think constricted black people here is constricted. You know what
I mean. It's it's like turned in on itself. It's not turned up, it's turned in anyway. I got glorious locks, That's all I'm saying. It doesn't exactly go to jufro. It's not that. It's more like a I don't know, like a uh, it's like it's like, uh, it's not exactly the glorious locks of like a Matthew McConaughey is he's got more curly. He's got more curls than I got. Right, let's see if we can find some of that long shaving vine of that long hair.
Many what's he got going back when he was in his twain he show look at that here, hey ho, hey yo, look at that. That just kind of looks like mine are there? Uh? Mine is almost that He's it's I'm not that curly, right, that's died. I'm looking more like this. I'm looking more like rush cold right now. That's what I'm talking about it, that's what That's what I say when I when I look
in the mirror, that's what I say right there. And then you get on the other side of that mirror and you're in the testa act and you just put your hand through there and say that you you love your daughter or whatever. It's all right, all right, all right, and be like you did. Uh anyway, Well that didn't go very far. All right, Thank you guys. A lot of fun. I guess a lot of fun. But uh, perm nah, I ain't got no perms. Stinky man, perm stink dude. I don't think his hair. If you're debating
what wooly hairs? Do you know that you know what I'm talking about? Right y'all? Remember that verse, I mean, not that verse that the black keepers are like debating Bishop. Let's see if we can find that black keeper is like Bishop. Anyway we got I'm going to say furiosa to not I don't wait, this is him, This is him right here, this dude Bishop tan Yeah, okay, where's that interview that we watched because he talks about proving Jesus was black from It's not this one. Maybe it's this
one from wooly Hair, wooly mammoths, wooly hair. That's not it, is it this one? No, it's where he's sitting down on a couch talking to it. Dude, this one, this is it, y'all? Remember this, all right, let's sail. Let's say we can find where he talks about it. I said, it said skin, I said, I can read English now, but this is the stupidity that religions played on our people. Yeah, yeah, they do this. They are not taking
out the terminologies black many of the translations. They're able to move to the termin black all together. What black? What that Jesus is black? And by the way that you know, they go to that text and song of Solomon, right, my beloved is black and and whatever that's got Solomon had a black wife. Dude, that's not all right. Let's see in the
n K J V Oh, look at that. They took the word blackout Leveticus thirteen, black, Leveticus thirteen black one King's eighteen, the word black, black marble, black, blackness of the day, black, black, black proverbs, black, dark, knight, black hair. The Song of Solomon. His head is like fine goal. His locks are wavy and black as a raven. Oh so Jesus is black. But wait a minute, I'm talking about Solomon's hair. What do you mean? Oh, Solomon was
black too. See what it says his hair is black? Well, yeah, because only black people have black hair. Wait what you guys thought you were getting getting into, like a some sort of intellectual thing. Nah dude, Uh huh. The website we had many of the references is reunite dot org. We have the book references where they can go to. You know, now I feel like those guys Broadcast Network. You can google Pope Nicholas the sixth So now that's one of the one of the commandments we broke.
Okay, remember I'm trying to find the part where he makes the argument from war. Let me find that. And I said to myself, doesn't have the capability of growing their own grain. And the ancient one, that's the ancient of days, set down to judge his clothing. His clothing was as white as whitest. He set on fire throne with the blazing fire. So when it says I beheld to the thrones, cast and just to give clarity. The hair that is being spoken of, he of the Ancient of days,
God, the Father. I don't know if you we need to talk about this Trinity is compared or made to look like the hair that you read about in Revelation of Christ. So that's where this comes from. That's right. So now somebody may want to argue and say, well, maybe he had thin hair. Thin hair in the Bible. Is it a curse? So yeah, so you see they get if you want to watch this stupid thing, you can go watch it on your own. I'm not playing this
dumb ass video over again. So basically, he tries to argue that Jesus was black because it says his hair was like wool, and wool is like black people. Here, that's his argument. I'm not saying that. That's what this lunatic says tronical three dollars. I'm glad I never got caught up in black Keeber Israelite stuff due this stuff is insane, though, like, like you gotta be really just you gotta be pretty uneducated. I'm not trying to be mean, just state in facts to think that this stuff is I
mean, it's based on like hair hair arguments. Dude, do you think Revelation twenty one to one to three is a good argument against the papacy? How would that be an argument? It's papacy. Let's see saw I knew how a new Earth. No more see the Holy City, New Jerusalem coming down from heaven as a bride, nor for the husband I heard the voice of heaven. Tabernacle got among men. He will be their people. There will be as He will be. He will be with them and will be
their God. Oh nineteen Oh you mean the foundation stones? Okay, so there's more to your question. I was like, how's that? Review the papers? So you're saying the new Jerusalem is built on the foundation stone of the Apostles. Yeah, I've made this point too, that like, it's not built on just Peter, it's built on all the foundation stones Apostles. I think if you read the Denny book, he actually makes this point too.
So yes, I do think this is irrelevant. It's not going to convince a paper, but it's a relevant text because it's a square built on whom Peter says is the chief cornerstone, Jesus, and then all the other stones at the base of the cube. Because the city is like a big cube. It's like the Holy of Holies, right, it's a square. Is the twelve tribes and the twelve apostles noah m three dollars. Annihilationists say, why does God create somebody that he knows we use e free will to
reject him. The common replies that it's better to give somebody a chance, since living says being is better than non being. But how is damnation better than annihilation? Well, we can't come up with arbitrary ideas of what we think is better. And so you know why God permits certain things or why does certain things is ultimately in the councils of God. We don't know. He doesn't tell us everything. But we know that God doesn't hate them and
damn them. They damn themselves. That's the orthodoxy. The orthodoxy is that damnation is not literally like someplace over here where there's lake of fire, and over here is like you're floating on clouds. What torments them is the love of God. Right, So the lake of fire is the river in the
Book of Revelation that proceeds from the throne of the Lamb. They're the same thing, the same the presence of the divine energy is radiating from the lamb, from the throne, that is the fire of God that torments the wicked. So the question is always framed as if it's like this juridical thing of God hating his creatures or something. All right, anyway, guys, won't remind you. Head on over to talk dot com. He's from J forty four Life. That's J forty four li Fe and get access to all those
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