Medieval Heresy, Cathars, Cults & Papal Power - Jay Dyer (Half)

I'm in a scholarly mood. Lately, I'm in a stream, NonStop type of mood. We're gonna be covering Malcolm Lambert's magisterial book Medieval Heresies. Excuse me, Medieval Heresy. I took these notes back in about two thousand and five or six when I read the book when I was doing my undergrad It wasn't related to my classes, none of my classes really. I had a few medieval classes. They didn't really deal with medieval church history. A few did, but it was just an interest of my own. So we'll be

covering this book in depth. This will be at least a two part lecture, maybe more because of the amount of material, and back then in my twenties, I took copious notes. I would take hundreds of pages of notes to remember things and one or two classes away. For I'm a double major in history, so I do have quite a bit of historical reading under my

belt. Malcolm Lambert's book is, of course one of the probably classic scholarly works on the medieval heresy movements, grigoryan Reform all the way up to right before the Reformation. So we'll get up to Jean huss and some of the pre Reformation characters. I think Wickliffe might even come up. I don't recall, but I think the book ends with the Bohemian Prague Reformation characters. And I don't recall if I started my note taking a little bit into the book,

but my notes begin with the spiritual Franciscans and the heretical Joachamites. These come up in many modern analyzes of the history of revolutionary thought. So if you're interested in the history of Marxism communists, many people will point to the Joakimites. Even Cardinal Ratzinger in his book Introduction of Christianity. I think he's got a section on Jokim Fior. Jordan Peterson also has commented on Yoakim of Fior. So these are important characters. This is going to be pretty dense.

It's not going to be It'll be like the Pelicon introduction that we did five hour lecture covering the totality of Pelican Volume one. I will eventually do the totality of Pelican Volume two and Pelican Volume three. These are really good and this book fits in with those. Also potentially irrelevant is a book kind of similar to what we're doing tonight it's Western focused, but Marcia Colish's book Medieval Foundations of the Western Intellectual Tradition, I read this back in the two

thousands as well. Let's get into it. So another reason we're doing this is because we want to look back, after many years of reflecting on Orthodox theology and being grounded in that mindset, to reflect on the analysis that I had of Roman Catholicism back in about two thousand and four or five when I read this as a young trad I think I was a Latin mascower at this time two thousand and four or five. So let's look at where Malcolm Lambert

takes us the Franciscan problem. A lot of these problems, by the way, will be problems due to the theological infasies and dialectical struggles in the West after the East West Split twelve seventy four. This is relevant because twelve seventy four is right about the time that we would say, I mean, yeah, there's ten fifty four, But twelve seventy four is when the Roman Caelat dogmatic at the Council of Lyons states the double hypostatic procession, the doctrine that

orthodoxy does not accept welcome everybody. We've got tonight one hundred and sixty six nerds, and we're going to be getting into some deep stuff. So Francis of Assisi, as you know, he's one of the most famous Roman Catholic saints. France of Assisi is the probably the most notable, most recognizable of the Roman Catholic saints, other than you know, Mary or something like that.

But there's some great articles, by the way that will contrast the saints in Orthodoxy versus the saints in Rome Catholicism, and what we start to see is a difference in the devotion and the mystical experiences at this very time period. The different orders of rom Catholicism will be contrasted to the pretty standard orders of Orthodox monastas. There's just one kind of Orthodox monastas and there's not all

these different orders, so to speak. Now, Francis is interesting because he comes at a time when there was a lot of religious political corruption, a

lot of bishops buying off bishoprics, simony, this kind of stuff. Political guy's buying off bishops, and so Francis has the idea at his death of a testament, and so he puts forth this quote testament, and the later Franciscans themselves ironically will turn worldly and become very powerful, and there will be a later counter action to return to the early purity period after twelve seventy four. One of the first spiritual quote unquote Franciscans is the character Peter Olivi LVI

was dominated dominate the mind of all the quote spirituals. He worked out the consistent what was seen to be the consistent poverty doctrine of the Franciscans. The use of goods was viewed by Peter Olive as a mortal sin an absurd doctrine.

But nevertheless, apparently Peter thought that was the case. The Roman Catholic Saint Bonaventure did not accept this as except he thought this was too rigorous, and so Bonavnder said, now having property itself is not inherently sinful, And in fact, the property used was owned by the papacy, and therefore it was under the rule of Peter, and if Peter accepted it, then it

was okay. But you'll notice that the locus of the corruption here there is a legitimate critique, because of the Roman Catholic papacy had attained to such a worldly palatial status in terms of money and so forth. And so this is part of the reason of why there's a reaction on the part of these Franciscans

due to the actual corruption. The Franciscans ran into an immediate controversy with Dominicans, the Dominicans, of course, Thomas Aquinas the dominant fam most famous Dominican dominic founder of the Order of Dominicans, and the Dominicans, of course had a much more theological philosophical approach and would reason with this and said, you

guys are really unreasonable. There's nothing wrong with owning property. Olivie, however, prepared the way interestingly enough for William of Baucam in his thinking, and this bothered many Franciscans. So OLIVI was pretty much a radical. He had some really weird philosophical use. And you'll prepare the way for William of Aaukham, the first nominalist. This is when we'll begin to see nominalism rise to the fore. But already you can begin to see the preparations laid for what

will come centuries later in terms of communism, and most people do. In terms of historical analysis. I've spent many classes in undergrad and grad school studying the history of revolutionary movements and communism. They will go back to Yochim and Francisco, so you do begin to get out of the dialectics of this period,

the coming rise of communism. Welcome. We get over two hundred nerds on this late Sunday night show, be sure, and if you would leave a like in a share, we've got sixty two likes, two hundred and three people in the in the in the viewing audience. So if you like this, give me a like. You're gonna learn a lot tonight because most people aren't familiar with this period. And even I had forgot. I mean,

you know, it's fifteen years ago that I took these notes. Even I forgot in some of this material, all right, two decades after Peter Olivi's death, I didn't write down when that was. The Council of Vienne is called thirteen twelve. Now, this is one of the Roman Catholic Frankish

in the sense of France King of France right councils. It still did not pin a condemnation on Peter Olivie because of these many disputes going on at this time and he never receives the scholastic academic recognition that many I guess of his followers had hoped for. Many of them believed Peter Olive's persecution was actually a sign of the end times. The next important spiritual Franciscan is Joachim Ifiora. Joakim took his cue after Peter Olive's death, and he is the Olive's own

thoughts on esca hology appeared to be unclear. However, Joachim was convinced that Olivia was speaking prophetically. Yoakim died under the Pope Innocent the third, and

he spent his life studying the patterns in history with scriptures. So Joakim had this idea, we can match up all these patterns in history to his perceived end time speculation, and that because of the corruption, now this, you know, a couple of centuries into three centuries into the second millennium here after Christ, this has to be the end times, right, everybody, Oh,

it's always this, We are in the end times. And so he had these really kind of arbitrary assumptions that he would pin onto scripture with the different patterns of the end times that he had come up with There were, however, three popes at this time that encouraged Joachim in his ideas. Lucius the second, Clement the third, and Urban the second all encouraged. If you are yet his writings received a condemnation for trinitarian errors at the fourth Lateran

Council. His views on history and the future were not condemned, however, and so many people would still appeal to this. I mean, why are you going to appeal to a trinitarian heretic to for these for a bunch of end time speculation. I don't know, but nevertheless many people afterwards will continue to do that. Even up into today. People think this guy was relevant.

I mean, if you're bad enough that the Roman Catholic synods condemn you for Trinityan errors, which themselves are based on trinitarian errors, then you got to be pretty bad. And I think it relates to his You know, there's the age of the father, age of the Son, and then the age of the Holy Spirit, which is ludicrous. His views on history in the future. I already read that these views were very influential in the thirteenth

century, so this is a big debate of the third teenth century. His idea was this, there is a coming third Age of the Spirit, and this was going to be exemplified in the religious orders. So there would be this like big revival of the Spirit in this final age. It would it would like purify and cleanse the religious orders, the Franciscans, Dominicans, all of them the church, and they in turn would then cleanse the Church.

He attempted to predict a bunch of this end time stuff. He was like a Roman Catholic John Hagy type of character, or Hawl Lindsey predicting the end. However, he did excuse me, I misread my nose. He never attempted to predict the dates, so I was wrong about that. But he did say that they were coming in his lifetime, so he kind of did. That's a little unclear, Joachim said. The second age, which is the age of the revelation of the Sun, was the age of the clerics.

Right. The third age, the Age of the Spirit, would be with the rise of the spiritual Franciscans and monastics in the church to cleanse and purify the church. It's just really weird ideas sat Saint Benedict, well, for us, he's a saint. Excuse mean Benedict is the saint. He says that the spiritual age began with Saint Benedict. That Orthodox also recommend or

recognized. But Joachim was unsure that he personally would not enter into this age, but it would come before his death, and then the spiritual age would really kick in when certain abbots came in to control of the Franciscan and Dominican orders. The instant tutions of the Franciscan and Dominican orders would receive this endowment of the spirit, and then they would cleanse the church. Thank you for those super chantsmen, I was appreciated. I'll get those to those in a

little bit. Franciscans were most influenced by Yoikim. That the Old Testament provided prophetic parallels was commonplace in his day. It was common to look back at the Old Testament find patterns for the periods of the New Testament Church era. Thus, because there was a parallel of the Old Testament events, there would then be some there would be the same events of the New Testament, and

so it focused on a lot of these numeric principles. So they would actually try to find numerological, spiritual, allegorical meanings to try to prove these things. In twelve sixty. It happened to be the year twelve sixty for some reason, in terms of people's calculations, happened to be some kind of a famous date for the supposed end of the world. Flagelence went wild at this

time in Italy and Germany and the Alps. Many many of these ecstatic Flagelens were going nuts, whipping kicking their own butts, and they focused this movement focused on this radical asceticism that's not even asceticism, it's basically self mutilation. From twelve sixty to twelve ninety. Then it dies up down. I guess many Franciscan friars speculated that Joachim's prophecies were related to France of Assisi, so

they thought Francis was bringing in this final spiritual age. Some people even thought that Francis Assisi was the sixth angel of the apocalypse. Here we go, this is the plug in isogesus method of whatever you think is going on, plug that into the apocalypse, and that this would herald the new age. Note of course, that typically speaking, this doesn't characterize Eastern and Byzantine theology. There may have been periods when people thought consistently, I mean pretty much

in every century somebody thought we're in that last days. But these kind of wild dialectical things like this, I mean, it just it's not present in the Byzantine normative way of living at this time period. So the two churches have clearly gone, you know, in two different directions. And the next guy, I don't know how to pronounce this. I don't know. I can't speak Italian. I guess this guy is Italian or yeah. Guelmia Guiliema was a dude who died in twelve eighty one in Milan. He was burned

by the Inquisition. She so she was a woman, heretic, a prophetess, and her initiates received her as an incarnation of the spirit. So notice the bizarre Western trinitarian views have now given rise to bizarre heterodox notions of the incarnation. Now, the third person of the Godhead can become incarnate. I mean, we saw this in the Montanous Montanus said he was the incarnation of the Holy Spirit in the early Church. We're getting the same sort of flower.

And by the way, I'm not saying that this kind of heresy was only in the Latin West. I mean the Boga mills come out of the East. They will come out of the Orthodox East and infiltrate the West. I'm not trying to oversimplify this, but I do think a lot of these movements in this period of the Latin Church do arise because of that theology and because of Trinitarian mistakes. Now some of these notes I can't read, so you'd have to forgive me. There behind these people believe that a woman from

their midst would be the incarnation of the Holy Spirit. Her name was Manfreda. I'm not sure what my notes mean here, So there's a I think there's a movement. I don't know. I can't tell what im They received her as Manfreda. I guess they believe she was the woman. They called her, that she would be the first woman pope and angelic pope. She would convert the Jews and Muslims and usher in the New Age. There would be female cardinals and clergy. With this new age, there would be four

new Gospels this time period. Notice the heretics when they pop back up, it's the same stuff. Montanus said the exact same thing as this. He had two women prophetesses, and they were the voice of the spirit. Okay, so my notes about her in there, Oh you know what, my notes are out of order. Dang, I just realized that. Well, so I'm not going to go back and start over. We're gonna sep skip back a little bit because these old notes. That page is from a little

bit further. So we're going to skip back, Sorry about that, to ten seventy eight. Robert King, Robert the Pious. We're looking at Orleans. Stephen the Confessor seduces the Queen of Constance into his Manichean heresy. So this is under ten seventy eight under King Robert the Pious, So the Queen becomes a Manichean and other potential converts apparently snitched on this king. Anyway,

the core of this belief was a form of gnosticism. Initiates were relieved of all their sins and knew all of the scriptures, and as a result, they would therefore deny the incarnation, and there were then no sacraments that were valid. So I apologize. I jumped ahead with the Joachim section. I

didn't realize it was out of order. I just thought my nose began Franciscans, but we're going to go back a couple of centuries prior to Franciscans, these heretics that will begin to kick off kind of the coming Gnostic and Cathar stuff. It begins with this I can't read my notes. Sorry, Stephen the Confessor in Orleans. I don't know who Stephen the Confessor is, but

he seduces a queen. At this time, the King Robert the Pious apparently captured and interrogated and convicted and burned some of the original nascent heretics here that are going to kick all this off. And he burned down a house full of these heretics. It's pretty crazy. One of these guys was Paul the Monk, who wrote of the tale. No excuse me. Paul the Monk is who records this at this time, and he says that the heretics were

notorious for having secret orgies. A couple of years later, maybe a couple of years earlier, in Milan twelve eight a d. The castle of Montefort is suspected of housing heretics by the Archbishop Aribert of Milan. The leader is a guy named Gerard, who is then interrogated for his heretical views. These heretics early on in Milan taught that had come with the idea that all sexual intercourse was absolutely wrong. To eat meat, Veganism is always wrong. It

is always wrong to have private property. Remember this, So we're going we've gone back a couple centuries. These guys are going to influence later pet or heretical spiritual Franciscans. They came up with a unique heretical definition of the trinity, where the Father is God, the Son is a spirit of man, and the Holy Spirit is the understanding of all divine matters. So the Holy

Spirit is identified with the reason. Uh, this is reminiscent. They were reminiscent of Jean Scotus Ergina and they viewed so they were influenced by him, I guess, and he wasn't as bad as them, but I guess they influenced him. But they viewed they viewed this world as a demonic inhabitation. Christ alone is the head pontiff. There are no popes, and these sect members would actually kill men, kill one another before death. So if if you were going to die, the sect would come and go ahead and kill

you. So they didn't let anybody die on their deathbed, that's about ten twenty eight. Okay, so this is leading us up to ten seventy eight with the heretics and mont Orleans, and you're starting to notice a pattern of breaks out ten twenty eight, Milan breaks out ten seventy eight, Orlean. Next, we have around the same time period middle of the eleventh century and

Aquitaine the Peace of God heresy. The Peace of God movement was borrowing from older manniche intexts and just rehashed this and represented it us in ten twenty five, a day the bishop Gerrard had discovered a group of pratical movements within his jurisdiction and have them imprisoned. These heretics were interrogated in the church and questioned the validity of marriage. So notice what keeps popping up here is for some

reason, in different regions. I think that's the amazing part of this is that these different regions in the eleventh century are popping up with the same heresies. It's very bizarre. So I don't know. I don't think any of us know if there's one source from which it spread across Western Europe, or if it's just happening to pop up in these different places. Under Bisho took Garrard in r as they began to question the New Testament and because they had

rehashed Marcionite ideas. They thought that the New Testament was teaching a God of love and the Old Testament was teaching a mean God. They thought that their ascetic practices of rejecting marriage was called the way of righteousness. Because of the sins and corruption of the clerical priesthood, these groups had all the clerics, had all made their sacraments invalid, so now they're rehashing the donuts dis heressing.

Thus the heretics reason baptism was unnecessary. Bishop of Garrard argued that understanding scripture lay with the hierarchy and the magistrum of the church and not with these laymen. The I can't read that note something about the heretics. Oh, the heretics were invited to a meeting to defend their views, and the records of the meetings claimed that the heretics had been stupefied by the end of the

debate. So I don't know if this continues on or dies out, but you're starting to see these things pop up lesser heretics of this time that also popped up the Soissons. Al Debart was a rural preacher who started walking around Germany and declared himself a saint and distributed toenails and hair clippings to all of his followers. So he was creating his own living, nasty Bunyan relics. Right, here's my toenail clippings. Dog. Another weird heretic Theuda. How'd

you like to be named? Theuda? Theota was a prophetess quote unquote who received visions of the end of the world. These vision were imminent and they were coming to Mainz. We noticed the patterns here. What are the patterns in time? Speculation? Sex is evil, Marcianism, gnosticism, lay preachers right, contrasted with legitimate criticisms of clergy who are corrupt. So now I don't know why I keep going back in time. I don't know if my

notes were out of order. But a little bit earlier similar movements, I guess. In the late ninth century in the West, Bishop Claudius of Turin he had come up with an a conoclasm heresy where he said that we should have no images in Christian worship, and no cross veneration, there be no cult of saints, there will be no more privilege of pilgrimages. And the pope is the successor to the pope is not a successor Peter. Peter's premiacy

died with him. So I think that the bishop, I think it's saying the Bishop of Turin had fallen into this heresy, and that could be because he was influenced by the fact that the Carolinians rejected and I see it too. If you don't know that we covered that with Snack, go listen to the Frankish papacy stream that I do with Snack. I think that's what my note is saying. If I get some of these facts wrong, they'll go too hard on me because I'm trying to decode college notes that I wrote fifteen

years ago. From the death of Louis the Pious to the breakdown of the Carolinian Empire, there does not appear to be a major Latin outbreak of heretical

movements. I'm not saying that the Carolinians are Orthodox, They're not. What I'm saying is that from the vantage point of Latin theology and Catholicism Romanism, there doesn't appear to be a major outbreak for about one hundred years, so the Carolinians, and then when they start to decline, you start to see what this book is talking about as heresies, meaning these resurgent gnostic movements is

what they're talking about. All right, welcome everybody, we've got to go a little crowd here late night nerds to twenty three to twenty three nerds late at night. Welcome. Thank you for those super chats. You can always superchat via stream labs. In the show description, I'll get to those in a minute. Death penalty for heretics. Since the Church, of course, had penetrated all society, we begin to see the state having penalties for heretical

movements. Now a lot of people think this is oh, this is so mean and so mean. There's a reason for this because typically speaking, heretical movements were not just a theological debate. They also represented social revolution, you see, And that's part of the reason why the states, the various states would go so hard on heresy is because it would upset the entire social order.

In the authorities of the time, both church and state assumed correctly that heresy and revolution or rebellion went together because they did so if we begin at this time period, I don't know if this is ninth or tenth century. My notes are fail at this point, but right around this time period tenth century nineteenth century. At Orleans, heretics are first burnt, where the Queen of Orleans struck out her confessor's i. At Milan the heretics were committed to

the purge excuse me, to the pire, meaning they were burnt. And at Goslan heretics were hung. So death penalty for heretics is beginning at this time period. And by the way, in the East it's not unheard of. There were the tendency like in the Justinian the code of Justinian is that the church would make a pronouncement, hand them over to the emperor, to the imperium to make a decision, and sometimes that was banishment, sometimes it

was some other kind of fine, and there were instances of death. So it's not totally unheard of in the East for there to be such things. This is a weird one. Uh. Leutard of Vitus, Leutard of Vitus, tarred of Vitus real Gun. I think this is about tenth century. Now, this guy thought that bees had entered his peepee, and because the bees had flown down his p hole in a dream, I'm not joking. In a dream, the bees told him to leave his wife and go live

in the fields as a hermit. So he, being impelled by the bee spirits that entered his peepee, he broke into the village church, grabbed the crucifix and said there were no need to pay ties to the church. He took that crucifix and started preaching in the fields, and the peasants followed him. Some of what the prophets and apostles said Leotard proclaimed was useful. However, it was better to follow leotarda vitas. Leotard, it appeared, had

come in contact with the Boga mills. Now the Boga mills are going to become important here because the Bogamels are these heretical gnostic ideas that were centered in the East. So they came from Orthodox lands, perhaps they've been exiled, and they influenced some of these weirdos like Leotard of Vitus. Leotard also had donatus ideas in that you were batter off if you committed a form of suicide. The Donatists were known to fling themselves off of buildings and fall down wells

to induce their own martyrdom. So Leotard, like the Donatus, committed suicide by throwing himself down a well. He may have had a form of ergotism, according to leotarda vitas, some kind of like you know, infection or std. And this was early tenth century. Okay, so my notes are a little out of worder. But this guy is interesting because the bees possessed his wee weeze. Heresy in the early tenth century did not last only in the Diocese of Charlon Sir Marney in Liege. As far as our records show

only those places. Does appear that more than once in any given sight, it seems to have been snuffed out by the state repressing the possibility of heretics preaching openly. Extinguishing heretical circles as soon as they were discovered did not allow them to continue or flourish without having a remnant of proselytizers to continue. The heresies died out within a few years or within that generation, as soon as the publicity was done. The heretics were done. After the hanging of the

accursed from the Upper Lorraine in ten fifty one. Silence descends upon all heretical movements for a good while. That's page thirty one of Malcolm Lambert Twelfth century Heresies. Now we're moving up to where I originally thought we had started my notes out of order. I'll try to put these back in order twelfth century heresies. Early in the twelfth century, heresies began to reappear. The eleventh century heretics sought flight from the world in the church. Twelfth century heretics now

took on a dogmatic issues themselves and desired changes within the institutional. Latin Roman Catholic Church preaching gets more aggressive. Heresy arcs use physical force in this period. One example of this is forgive me snack. I don't know how to pronounce these things. Allon des letois Allon des Lettois mobilized a peasant force to rob churches in Brittany. Arnold of Brescia mobilized republican government, a revolutionary republican

government to hold Rome against the pope. Heretics began to care for social concerns and made the social concerns an intimate part of their New Gospel. As usual, heretics mobilize the state as a means to control influence and put bishoprics in the church. As we will see the same type of pattern for Cicero papism, and by the way, papal o crism is just exactly the same thing. We see the heretical Byzantine emperors to try to control the church Heterodox iconoclass

emperors. We see it in the West here with the heretics in these cases trying to get heretical kings to change the church. In the time of the Reformation, the exact same thing will happen German princes a lie with Luther to change the church. The incidents prefigured the investiture controversy to come. For example, the knight Erlin Bald and his brother Landulf, notary of the church at Milan. Erlin Bald almost ersurped a position in the priesthood as a knight.

He just took it, or he almost did all right. Next famous heretic of the period, Henry the Monk Henry Mink was a wandering preacher and apostate monk, and he may have been at some point ordained as a priest. He entered it looks like I said, Kmart, but I can't read my note. He entered something to preach some city. I can't tell what city my note is, but if you look up Henry the monkham sure you can find it. He entered the city in eleven sixteen and proceeded by two of

his disciples carrying a cross and an iron tipped staff. Proceed he walked in bearded, barefoot, and wearing poor clothing, so he had like an entourage basically of weirdos in front of them, carrying in a procession. At first, he only condemned the sins of the clergy, and so he tried to make peace with whatever this city is. I can't tell what my notes say.

And he came with an odd dogma that the prostitutes in the city needed to burn their hair and their clothes if they stood nude before all poor I can't read what my nose is of it. Anyway, they're supposed to marry other people. So he thought he could like get them all to shave their head and stand nude, and then he could like find husbands and wives. I guess he had a kind of a good idea here, but was a little bit crazy here, however, Henry the Monk was an anti rat became

a radical anti cleric. He started deciding that there was no need for any kind of sacraments or priesthood. Only the individual was responsible to God. We'll hear this in the Reformation, and there was no such a thing as original sin. And in fact, the Pelagians were correct. It was not necessary at all to baptized infants. So he crossed up. Infant baptism was a decision of an individual at an adult age. They're no longer needed to be

any prayers for the dead or any Eucharist. Henry the Monk is a Baptist. Henry Baptist monk in uh, I don't know what century eleven sixteen, here's your first So, by the way, if you want to play the landmark Baptist game and trace everything back here, you could probably do it with the Henry the Monk. Of course, you don't have to worry about actual you know, doctrines or you know, you can be anti Trinitarian or whatever.

But at least you can find a guy who had believers baptism. There's not a lineas really, but I mean, you could find these kind of weirdos here and there. Peter of Brius, or Peter Debris Debreux, he is our our major source for this heretic. Peter is another Peter the Venerable. This is the beginning of the Petro Brucians. The Petro Brucians will be pre Baptists. Baptists will say, we like the Petro Brucians. So here here's where we start to get Baptist stuff, not literally, but you know

what I mean. But Peter the Venerable, the the the writer, the chronicler, wrote the contra Petrobrusians. So he wrote a treatise against these heretics. He says that this Henry the Monk guy was one of the early founders of the Petribution sect. They probably only had similar tendencies, and Peter might not have actually been a member, but regardless of the same ideas. They didn't believe in having church buildings. They didn't believe in church uh, prayers

for the dead, no masses or eucharists uh. In terms of the Petributions, Peter Debrew was doctrinally even further than Henry. Peter said the Old Testament was full of evil, mean stuff, and that it was pagan to venerate the cross. Here Marcianism, iconoclasm, right back, right back where we were all right, Enter our first Roman Catholic doctor of the church during this period, to fight with these guys, Bernard of Claireva. Of course you

probably are familiar with Barnard. I've got Bernard's treatises over here on my shelf. Bernard of Clavo, famous Roman Catholic mystic, fought against Henry the Monk. He wrote against him at Toulouse and successfully defeated Henry in his claims on the Populace in the year eleven forty. In the eleven forties, so Bernard had a lot of success fighting against this heretic reconvinced the crowd to go back with him. The church, according to Peter Debrew, the Petributions was a

petro Brushians was a spiritual congregation just of the faithful. So here we go the invisible church heresy of the Calvinists and the Protestants. Here it is with this guy, Oh, you dirty institutional church people. We're better than you. We're the pure people. You're all corrupt, and so we're the true spiritual congregation. The Henritians, the Henricians, the followers of Henry, not exactly the same as the Petributions. The Henritians, in agreement rejected all outward

forms of worship, so here they have a noostic iconiclasm the Petributions. Also, the petro Brucians rejected the Old Testament explicitly, and all the church fathers, every church tradition, anything like infant Baptist or infant can Union. They rejected a sacrificial Eucharist, singing in the church, prayers for the dead, any and they said their simple method of proving this was a literal appeal to the Gospels, by which they meant they just whatever they read and what they

thought was the immediate meaning disproved all this other stuff. Jesus didn't have prayers for the dead, Jesus didn't have a church, Jesus doesn't mention church, but just really low iq peasant type stuff. Basically, however, they oddly believed that the Eucharist was a transformation, but it had only happened once at the Last Supper. Okay, whatever did, Christ had no intention of anyone continuing the Eucharist after after this period, and so ironically no one should do

the Lord's Supper. So this actually anticipates uh the Salvation Army heresy in general booth if you didn't know, the Budhists Bouthhism of the Salvation Army believe that you should not have baptism or the Lord's Supper weird. So Peter Debru acts as a kind of heretic heretical John the Baptist. This is important because Peter Debrew is the John the Baptist that will prepare the way for the great heretics of the Middle Ages. The Cathari Catharie will be probably the most important,

outright crazy heretical and most powerful heretical movement of this period. U tan Chalm of Antwerp. That's a cool name, psych how'd you like to be named? Tan Chalm of Antwerp rejected all church authorities. He popped up and gathered a crowd of followers by preaching only to the pedicants, and totally rejected any need for an institutional church. The institutional church was a brothel the horror of

revelation, and Tanchum said he himself was God. He entered into a symbolic marriage with a statue of Mary in a bizarre ceremony, and also during this time people will prepare the way for the rise of Gnosticism. I think we mentioned Arnold de Brescia, but Arnold A Brescia of the eleven thirties studied under Peter Abbalard. However, Bernard of Claraveau had Arnold A Brescia condemned. I think Bernard has Peter Ablard condemned. But at the council sins An eleven forty.

But Arnold befriends Guy, a guy named Guy who was the papal legate to Bohemia. Pope Eugenius the third invited him to Row to keep watch over him. But the Pope's involvement in all of these temporal affairs agitated Arnold A Brescia. Arnold decided that the papacy was corrupt and too involved in temporal politics, and so he gathered support from Roman citizens and expelled Okay, this is

the guy who had had the republican revolution. He gathers together Roman citizens and expels the pope and taught that the emperor should receive the crown from the people and not the pope, because that would be republican, not people. But this is also interesting because this is where we're starting to see the rise of republicanism. You see many of these gnostic sects will favor communal living Italian republic, Renaissance republic, Plato republic, Plato communism in the republic. You see

the tendency here that what pops up here. Arnold's theology led him to an extreme democratic view of politics. Thus there was no real hierarchy, and Pope Hadrian the second hunted down Arnold a Bricia and had him killed. Remember a D'tois that we mentioned earlier. Aon Dutois had gained a peasant following, and through preaching to all these peasants, had convinced them to oppose all externals in

religion, all buildings, all statues, images icons. He eventually declaimed proclaimed himself the son of God, and had a scepter formed in the shape of a why, and called and deemed his followers apostles, prophets, and angels. The why meant that two thirds belonged to God and one third belonged to Satan. So he would like carry the staff around and be like, these

are the two thirds that belonged to God and the rest. Because of the Texan revelation that you know, one third fell one third of the angels. The Council of Rhymes heard all of his revelations and claims, and they all laughed. We mentioned, by the way, counts of Rhymes that comes. I don't there there may have been more than one Council Rhyme, but it's mentioned in Denzinger is one of the early ones that explicitly teaches absolutely mind simplicity

in the radical sense, which is in Denzinger. By the way, many of the theologians and scholars present at the Council of Rhymes that laughed at a Datois actually just said he was insane. But you notice that what's interesting is that the enthusiasts, these these insane religious characters find it. It seems to be pretty easy to go out out and just kind of gather and create a cult, right, But you could easily get burnt for doing this. Right.

So first outbreak of the major heretics that are going to be like a movement, right, we're going to get to the Cathars. So all of this has prepped for the real heretics of this period. The Catharie, the perfect, the pure, some connection with Eastern Boga Mills of Byzantium and the Balkans had taken place. Nobody exactly knows. According to Lambert, how the Bogamill heretics of Byzantium, who were Gnostics who had gone into the Balkans had

some kind of contact with these people in Western Europe. Bernardo Clavo said that the Kathari had been influenced by three heresies, the Manichean, the Sibelians, and the Arians. Right now, Manichaeans are the duellists that taught that matter was evil and it was in some sort of eternal battle with light, light versus matter or whatever. As we know from my recent lecture, the Sibelians were modalists. They taught that father, son, and Spirit were just modes

of God, not three distinct persons. And of course we all know that Arians denied the full deity of the Sun. The first outbreak of the Cathari Rhineland eleven forty three, a provost tells Bernard of Clervaux that a group of heretics had organized their own bishopric and Cologne. The provosts told Bernard that they held to a gnostic no meat, that vegan view, and they had a laying on a hand ceremony that included secret rights, secret society rights basically,

and then ultimately they decided that marriage was false. Now, remember, if you read John of Damascus's heresiology, which we mentioned many times, Apolitists many other church fathers talk about in their heresiologies began groups, the Ebionites, the Incretites, the Pythagoreans, all mentioned by John Damascus as vegan heretics. What's popping up again here, vegan heretics connected to their gnosticism. Now, why would there be a connection between veganism and gnoscissism. Why, it's quite easy.

Let me explain to you. If you don't believe in Genesis, or if you believe that Genesis is an evil god, what does the evil god of Genesis tell Noah you can eat meat? What did he tell Adam and Eve you can have marriage? So if the Old Testament God is the evil, mean God, and he's the one that said eat meat and get married, thus the reasoning of the Gnostics and the cathari There you go. But now, by the way, I had a great video that I did on

the movie I Had The Devil, which has kind of a history. It's like Eyes Watch Shut thirty years before Eywatch Shut. It has hash Donald Pleasance as the gnostic Luciferian priest, literally a Luciferian priest, and it's it's what's Roman Polanski. Sharon Tate as her it's her first role, and she plays a witch, a Luciferian witch, and basically there's this ancient gnostic pagan cult that owns the entire city and castle out in France somewhere. Great movie.

If you're looking for an older esoteric Eyes Watch Shut Colt movie, go watch Eye of the Devil. Of course, once that I put that, that was one of my best videos, one hundred thousand views right away, and of course it gets deleted taken down. It was awesome. I still have the video, by the way, but I was drawing from all of this research that I've done on the kathari And by the way, I know that the kathar Eye in the actual history didn't do human sacrifice, but I'm not

convinced that that's the Kathariye story. I'm not convinced that they weren't doing that. We don't know what all they were up to. I mean, they're a secret society. They invent a counter hierarchy. That's what's weird about this group is that they don't they don't do like the peasant thing like most of the weirdos at this time period of you know, the bees flying in their pepe and then their runner through the fields. These guys actually set up an

altered church, like a counter church. Interesting. Now, let's get back to the Bogomils. So they are the ones that influence the cathari We don't exactly know how, but in the tenth century the Boga mills were present in Bulgarian villages. Some Bulgarian village priest had come up with an idea of dualism, a right good force, good God versus evil force evil God. This dualistic notion had spread to Constantinople. They came to the conclusion that everything that

is physically perceived or seen is itself evil. It's identified with evil. Satan is the one who created the flesh itself. The initiates of this sect therefore believed a severe asceticism to punish the flesh. Okay, that's all the sort of the basics that Lambert mentions of the Boggabills. Now, the heretics over in Cologne had claimed that theirs alone, this new rising Cathari movement, theirs

alone is the true church. The heretics thought that the life of apostolic poverty itself is what gave them the moral high ground over the institutional papal succession Church Cathari. Now, some of the Colone heretics said that no priests of the Church or valid or are validly ordained, For they said, the apostolic office has been corrupted through the involvement in secular affairs. He who sits in the chair of Peter therefore lost Peter's power to ordain, which was bestowed upon Peter

himself. Because the Apostolics he does not have this power. The archbishops and bishops who led worldly lodge within the Church could not therefore receive from Peter the power to ordain anyone. Hence they just rehashed donatism. Infant baptism therefore was not only not necessary, it wasn't biblical. There was no revelation about the afterlife and therefore no purgatory. There was no need for any kind of penance,

and Egbert the benedicting abbot of Schoenau. Eventually it was influenced by some of these heretics and found, excuse me, he went in to study with these heretics to see what they were saying, and found out that some of them believed in a docetic christology right dosiatism, that Jesus wasn't really human, his death was a phantasm et cetera. Some of them had imbibed the Platonic Platonic doctrine of the transmigration of souls and the creation of matter in this world

by an evil God. Are you noticing a pattern here? It's always the same thing, Marcianism, gnosticism, evil, Old Testament God. Always it's the same that never fails. Now, why would why aren't the heretics more creative every now and then they get created would come up with something a little weird. But why do they always tend to the same ideas because it's the same spirit motivating them obviously, I mean, it's like they don't even know

that the exact same heresy existed. In the second century, the Aeronaeus wrote against hopefully I'm not talking into it. We got two hundred and sixty six welcome, almost up to three hundred in this late night stream. Welcome everybody if you want to support we got a couple of fat superchats there. I appreciate that, but glad to see everybody here tonight. You can do your super chats via stream labs and I will come to those here in a minute.

This is a little slow going. My notes are hard to read, but hopefully this is fun and weird information. So Eckbert the Benedictine is milling about amongst these guys. He's infiltrated the weirdos and he has found out that they've got these gnostic views. Ecbert believed the heresy to have an international character. This is interesting, so it's almost like he's conspiracy theorizing that maybe there

is an international movement. I think that's what. My notes are a little smeared, so it's kind of hard for me to see see that spilled coffee on this, So some of the words are smeared. But he says in Flanders they were called the aphiles, in France, the taxallant, the weavers. In Germany they were called the pure ones. And so oh, I see so uh, so Egbert, because of this network of this that has popped up, of these heretics in these different cities and countries with the same

names and the same ideas. He's beginning to suspect that this is a larger movement. I see, so Egbert, the Benedictine starts to preach sermons against the heretics. They were I can't read what that says, but they they. Oh. Egbert attempted to refute them by exposing them to the dogmatic assumptions and bases upon which the entire heresy arrested. Egbert referred to much of their views as simply a repeat of Manicheanism, and therefore Manicheanism was refuted, so

was their entire heresy. All right, thank you for those super chats. In eleven sixty five a conference was held a local synod at our conference I don't know if sent on or compet at Lombert's castle outside of Alba in southern

France. The Kathari there had a formidable standing. Local heretical leaders, who were known as the good Men, debated openly their opponents before a distinguished gathering of scholars, nobles, heretics, priests, etc. The institutional Roman Catholics had to restrict the citations to proof texts from the New Testament, since the heretics would only accept any kind of argument approved from the New Testament, so which I guess makes sense. That's where they win. The battleground was the

New Testament. These early kathara I argued that the true bishops and kings must live as Saint Paul described, or they are not valid at all. The normative Roman Catholic the institutional Roman Catholics, tried to get them to debate anything about dogmatic issues like the Trinity or whatever, but the cathari would only talk about the moral precepts. They refused to swear to any oaths. Again, a lot of this as Baptists. You'll see that's repeated by it later Baptists.

And when the Roman Catholics achieved the upper hand in the debate, the heretics would feign or pretend that they were Orthodox. However, they would not take any oaths. So they would just like change the world and oh, okay, we'll find we believe that, but they would just reinterpret it to mean something else. Eleven sixty seven, in the village of Saint Felix, the International and International Conference of Duellists takes place, and this allows for the

achievement of a better structure for Catharism. So they actually have this kind of their own little synod here at a village, and this aids the growth of Catherism the Kathari at this fake Cathari council made up plans to send out missionaries, and then they did. They send out missionaries. Cathari reached Lombardy and established a hold there before eleven sixty seven. By sending missionaries from northern France. The movements I think lay in its ethical appeal to peasants and layfolk.

They preached poverty, self sacrifice and strict chastity come and this converted people more easily than when they revealed their false doctrines. Interesting, so they did this kind of classic cult trick where you do all this do goodery stuff and talk about how do oh look how or goody goody, and then lay oh, but by the way, we secretly teach blah blah blah crazy stuff. Right,

this is a classic cult tactic. So within roughly two decades from the first appearance of the Boga mills at Cologne, the Cathari had disseminated themselves from Rome to the Pyrene to to the Italian Peninsula. So the cathari had quite a bit of success. Well, Denzil. Now again keep in mind what is allowing the proliferation of this stupid heresy the corruption of the existing institutional church.

Of course, if the institutional church were not so ridiculously corrupt, which obviously was, and even the saints quote unquote in the Romancolic Church of this time would admit all that they would preach against the corruption. You see that heresy and schism and sins such as that becomes scourges for the existing clergy an existing church. Heresy is a scourge and a punishment, a tastisement from God on the church. Valdai Waldo. Here comes the next of the favorites of

the Baptists, the Waldensians. The Waldensians are a late health century can't read my note movement. Their focus was the institutional Church's hierarchy. Their movements spread to Italy at the time of Poe Lucius the Third in Italy and Languadoc heretics had a had eventually achieved total freedom, So the laws of those states had then had now allowed free reign of these guys, the Waldensians. Excuse me, Peter Waldo, I think it's Peter Walder, But Waldo, where's Waldo.

Waldo decided, as a rich businessman that he would commit to poverty. There we go, That's why he was able. So he does this big thing where oh, I'm going to give away all my business. Well, I'm going to become poor. He then translates these scriptures into the vernacular and begins translating the Church fathers. He desired to become a wandering preacher, and the initial conflict became his dispute with local church leaders over orders or the right

to go and publicly preach. The institutional church appealed to the pope and sent representatives to the Third Latter in Sonata in eleven seventy nine. They were found to be inadequate to preach, and Pope Alexander the Third welcomed their evangelical councils but told them not to preach the Gospel or doctrine theology publicly. Waldo was

willing to accept Orthodox statements and be submissive. However, eventually in time he fell into schism and began preaching because he felt cold to do it by reading scripture. Now, notice, in the Orthodox East, this is not a problem because the Orthodox East has always held to vernacular scripture. So even though this guy probably isn't exactly right and what he's doing, at least does have a correct idea that why are we not putting the the liturgy into the language

of the people. The Church has always put the liturgy into the language of the people. The entire Orthodox East does this. This is stupid. The Humiliati new movement here at the same time in Italy a movement of radical radicals

called the Humiliati. It's like the opposite of the Illuminati. The Humiliati in northern Italy believed in the evangelical councils by that that just means to renounce the monastic type of valves, right to renounce ownership, marriage, these kinds of things, poverty, chastity, obedience, they were, But they decided that also all oaths should be rejected. They desired to preach, and once again

Alexander the third denied the request of these people. However, they decided again that they were they were called to preach directly by God, and so they fell under the papal Ban. The Pope Lucius the third writes a bull called ad Ablindam in the eleven eighties, and it calls for cooperation with Emperor Frederick Barbosa in the first attempt to deal with these heresies on an international scale. So by now all these different little crazy groups had gotten so annoying and had

popped up everywhere. It's now called the attention of Rome. So Lucius the third he said, all right, we got to do something, and he calls for aid of the Emperor. Now this is unfortunately there's a big smudge here of coffee, and some of these notes I can't see, so I'll try to make it out as best I can. So they The way that decided to deal with the heretics was first to send out train theologians to go and visit the parish parishes and re educate and teach, basically catechize the people.

People that were recalcultrant and would not listen after periods of catechistus or preaching from different religious orders and monks would then be handed over to the state to see to receive some form of state punishment. This proved difficult in the places where the state leaders had already begun tolerating heresy. The paper bull was still sent out and propagated as an ideal, and so interrogation was to be done

at this time by some experienced trained theologian. The bull reorganized the episcopal something I can't read it, but it offered no solution to the recognition and classification of heresy. Though many were named and anathematized, it didn't offer a way to solve it. The papal bull anathematized the Paterines, the cathari, the Humiliaate, and the Arnoldists. The only distinction made for heretics was those who

preached licit and illicit and those who openly preached heresy. Next movement, another one pops up, the Speronists. A layman by the name of in Lombardy by the name of Speroni was a jurist. Between eleven seventy seven and eleven eighty five, he fomented a movement against the Church lasted about fifty years. Sparoni came up with some extreme tenants. Number one the rejection of all in every church authority. Number two, there is no priesthood. Number three,

Baptism and the Eucharis were stupid inventions of the church. Number four, all formal acts of worship were de facto idolatrous since the since all followers of Speroni had already achieved a perfect union with the Word, so notice antinomianism radical justification by belief of alone is already beginning to pop up. They held to an interior baptism of the Spirit that wasn't in any way necessary in terms of water

baptism. The only thing that mattered was the inner sanctification of the believer by the Spirit, and so therefore there was no original sin, and all men were already predestined or elect no matter what they did. So here it comes a radical predestinarianism. The elect the elect always remained elect no matter what they did. There could never be any change to that. So this was weird because they were Palladians, but they had a strict double predestination view. The

Sparonist Sparonimi Sparoni twelve six Dominican Dominic Dominicans. You've probably heard of them. Thomas Aquinas Dominic and his prior Diego of Ossona decide to live in poverty like the cathari So I will we'll give Dominics some credit here because rather than trying to force or persuade the Catharie with burning up the steak. He's like, all right, I'm gonna go live like these guys so that they don't have

any moral bogus moral claim high ground. So he pledges poverty, cha chasting, and obedience and establishes a house in Provil for women and girls that were rescued from the crazy Cathori. In twelve sixteen or twelve seventeen, he received recognition from Pope Innocent the Third, and he is, you know, obviously this is where the Dominican friars come from. The Dominicans eventually grow into an international order and well international in the West, and they become known for debating

and confronting heretics. They are of course the most philosophical and theological, eventually producing Aquinas et cetera. Their task was the confutation and reputation of Heresing. Five years earlier, Francis of a Cci had been something I can't read my notes there, but Francis apparently had thought that a pro creation emphasis on creation worldview would perhaps be the answer to the Catharized gnosticism. So if you know about you know Francis's of you know, brothers Moon, Sister, Sister,

moon brother's son or whatever. It's a reaction to, you know, these kinds of extremes. Later in four and Pope Innocent the Third the active I can't read my note. Their participation of Innocent the Third left a body of case law and precedent for the litigation and debate to deal with. In other words, basically litigation case all canon law under Innocent the Third allowed set a good press and for how to deal with heretics. Is what my note is

trying to say. In twelve oh seven, Innocent the Third decrees that all the goods of heretics should be confiscated and their homes destroyed. Later and four contains a dogmatic statement against the Catharite to this effect. By the way, how does that job with Vatican two? Heretics should have their property property confiscated and their homes destroyed. Vatican two says there's no heretics. Freedom of religion, Bro, could you imagine imagine trying to smush freedom of religion into Innocent

the Third. What did Joe? This is why the deeper that you go into Roumtholicism, just the prima fosia absurdity of Vatican two. It's just ludicrous. Want me to believe that God in this century was ordaining that the church burn heretics, confiscate their property, destroy their homes. And now he's decided that we all need to have a CC gatherings where we pray with all the religions. I mean, give me a freaking break, dude, give me

a break. Latter and four contains these dogmatic statements against Kathari Joakim. If you are we already mentioned Joakim, That's where my notes were out of out of order. But Yoakam Ifior is also condemned at the latter in four because Joachim Ifior attacked the trinitarian views of Peter Lombard's sentences. Right around the same time, A Mari of Beve I don't know what that is. I can't say that. Yet another heretic condemned for his views that derived from John Scotus

a Regina. He developed the idea that everything was evolving to become spirit. So literally Tahard to chard in Tahardism, already present in Amalri of BEVEI Wow Honorious the Third succeeds Pope Innocent the Third and was less resolved, less resolved and less original, but still dealt with heresy. Honorius the third made the same, made sure anti made sure anti heretical legislation was part of secular code of law. Emperor Frederick the Second made such laws part of his imperial legislation.

Burning was now the punishment for the recalcitrant heretic, that is, the one who has been preached to, catechized warned. If they keep doing it, then you go to the stake bro The major innovation, however, comes with Pope Gregory the Ninth. Pope Gregory resorts to special agents equipped with full powers directly from the papacy, to hunt down the heretics. In twelve thirty one, he issues the general Commission to something I can't read it smudged of

Regensburg. I almost feel like I'm reading ancient documents because they're frazzled and smudged, you know, and it's just my own notes from fifteen years ago. The episcopal local inquisition was then established at this time, Thus was born the papal inquisition. Unlike bishops, the direct emissaries of Gregory the Ninth had the power directly from the Pope, and they didn't need the authority of any local bishop. Their job was that they were tasked with the suppression of heresy.

Usually this mission was fulfilled by Dominicans. Thus the Inquisition now pay attention because every idiot in the world thinks they know about the Inquisition. Ninety nine percent of people don't actually know the history of the Inquisition. And Malcolm Lambert is not unfair, Like he's a balanced, just scholar. I think he's some kind of Anglican guy. But regardless, he's a historian and he's not unfair. He doesn't like he's not after the papacy. He's trying to vindicate here,

it's he's just trying to give a historical analysis the Inquisition. So the way this begins is that the inquisitors went out and they would register and log people suspected of going out and preaching the mistakes and these weird views. Now it's not just anybody who has the wrong idea go to the to the flames. That's not true. What they were doing was looking for the people fomenting the social revolution. So basically they were like co Intel or somebody like,

like, they're trying to find the agitators and the revolutionaries. The idea was that the Inquisition could be eventually tasked with becoming an international and it is now at this point an international body, usually Dominicans, which could link up with other orders to get information everywhere to prevent the escape of heretics from being discovered and found out. So what would happen was if the Inquisition came and the heretics, usually a Thori, found out about this, they would just try

to flee to another city. But the reason that they wanted to link up with other orders in other places was so that they couldn't do that and get away. They couldn't be refuge heretical refugees. The Inquisition was thus the heir to a body of legislation that reached back to add what was that people document? You know, the one on heresies? Right? My notes are most

I can't see it. There was thus a trend now that both the civil and the ecclesiastical law and powers tended towards an inquisitional rather than an accusatorial procedure. Now this is interesting because this will be the lobby don't even know this, but this will influence later Western legal theory. Did you know the Inquisition

influences Western legal theory, and not entirely in a bad way. That's because prior to this there was actually less There were less rights for people accused because a king could just come in and say, I deem you a heretic, I'm burning your ass. The Church stepped in to the credit of the Western Church at this time and said, this is not right. We need trials.

There are rights that the accused have, so rather than just an accusation procedure, there should be a kind of catechisis and a kind of ecclesiastical barrier buffer between people and just some king coming in and saying, I'm burning everybody. Did you know that most people don't know that. That was actually part of why the Inquisition came to be. In twelve fifty two, Innocent the Fourth decides that that torture could be used in the case of certain heretics so

that they might spill the beans on the other heretics and their plans. This was because this was under the aegis of the faultership of or a faulter of heretics a supporter of heretics. Faltership of heresy was thus a grave crime and an obstruction of what the inquisitor was trying to do, and thus you could be labeled as a falter. The place of uncertainty about the use of force against heresy that had, oh, that was a popular debate in the eleven

the twelfth century was now at an end. So even in the eleven the twelfth century, it's inentrit that that there's debates about whether the state or force could be used against heretics. Now by this time it's there's no question about it. This forced the heretics to go underground and to become quite literally conspiratorial

and a secret society. This is what Lambert says. And it's that the third always stressed, however, that the connections between the failure of the clergy were the real reasons for the emergence of heresy, and this that the third is correct. You just heard me say that. Now we return to Catharism again, the main heresy. Now we've seen how they arose, but we haven't really focused on them. Catharism was the most powerful heresy of the thirteenth

century. Without question, the Cathariyes stimulated the development of the Inquisition. It's actually the cathori that brought about the reason for Inquisition. The Cathari were most strongly established in Italy and Languidoc. They were the perfecti, the perfect excuse me, amongst the Cathari. Their leadership were the perfecti, that is, the elite of the Cathari. The elite, these inner circle of secret leaders

had obtained the right of what they called the consola mintum. The consolamentum was a ritual that they had borrowed from Bogomilism, the Bogomils and this right to call God the Father is given. It's given to you in this right. In other words, a separate prayer called the teleoesis gave one full remission of sins. So the Cathari are like an alternate clergy. And that's what's interesting.

They're like a Gnostic sect with secret hierofonts or something, and they're kind of like like a Satanic sect or something like a Masonic sector anyway, but they believe that they could remit sins through these different rights and prayers. The Cathari worldview, this is interesting. After the fall of Adam, the angel who formed the soul of man, left his spirit behind in heaven and thus in the ritual of the consolamentum, the spirit and soul of man were reunited,

and the soul would then pass out of the domain of Satan. Almost sounds like scientology, like you're trapped in your ears, Theatans have got you trapped or something. I don't know. But to attain to this secret rite was an arduous task. You must be approved by the other Perfecti after one year of a probationary period. During this probationary period, you could eat no meat, no milk, no eggs, no cheese, vegans. You had to spend then three days a week on bread and water only, but you

could eat fish. You could never have sex, because sexuality is part of Satan's creation. After one year, the initiate must then adhere to an even stricter ascetic practice, and every month a time of confession is allowed for any minor offenses. If you had a single breach of the code eating an egg, any sex, murder once more involved a person in Satan's creation, and

thus lost you the entire consolamentum ritual. Later, because hardly anybody could live up to this retarded nonsense, a reconciliation ritual was made up, but it was It was a heavy penance, So if you wanted to undergo the reconciliation ritual, it was going to be an even crazier penance. If a perfect I ever fell, it brought into doubt all of the initiates that he had

consoled or had undergone his consolamentum. So like crazy level donatism here, right, Yet this harsh way of life was somehow itself attractive to a lot of simple peasant people. And this false piety, this false externalism, because it contrasted with the worldliness of the institutional church clergy. This is what convinced people, This is why it had an appeal. But remember what Paul says.

It's just literally a repeat of everything Paul says in Colossians, Right, heretics are going to tell you to deny meats, to deny eggs, this kind of stupid stuff. And if you do that, you're somehow higher and more gnostic. Literally all refuted and discolostionis the only way to be saved was through the consolamentum ritual. The black robe that they wore, their thin, pale, gaunt appearance is what marked the Perfecti. So they had an appearance of

you know, like, look how pious we are. We're so you know, thin and pale, and we don't meet. The believers adored these Perfecti as if they were angels on earth. This whole religious system is quite obviously it's nothing but pure hypocrisy and pride. The perfect I blessed and broke bread at their services, and they would even pray the our Father. However,

only the Perfecti were allowed to say that our Father. Social context of this heresing the various towns where they had come to have power and authority had perfect eye houses. The houses were either men or women. You had to keep them separate. They performed the consolelamentum ritual, which eventually eventually it copies the right of extreme unction in the Latin Church. Extreme unction the right given to

dying believers. In twelve hundred, virtually all the entire population of Lac had had gone over to hear perfect I. They more or less converted and combiac the curate. The Roman Catholic curate complained that he had lost all but four of his parishioners to the Cathari in Karaman, Lanta and Verfael. By twelve fifteen, hardly anyone died without the right of the consolamentum of the perfect I. So now entire cities, villages, bishops are complaining that the whole church

is converted to this stupid heresy. Adherence to the adherence to this heresy in many villages and places and towns simply became normal, understood Christianity. That's what people thought Christianity was. Now, just like when you grow up in America, grow up Baptists, you think that's what Christianity. Jordan of Saxony. Jordan of Saxony, a famous or a lesser known Dominican, complained how daughters were given over to the perfect ie, to the perfect ee women homes like

they had their like their own version of nunneries, basically convents. And thus because the peasants were giving their daughters over to the perfect ied convents, this was just leading more and more people into heresity. Do you see the patterns of history? That's why this is so important and so fascinating, is that these patterns repeat how many? I mean, everything Paul refutes in the New Testament, it just pops up again as a repeat. The female perfective the

profect I had an almost egalitarian status for women. Interesting women and men were basically no different. The Cathari had an intricate system of how they ran their cult. Traveling merchants would make contacts. Public businesses were thus casual meeting places and signs would be made known secret signs and symbols. Things were drawn on houses to let people know what were Cathari safe houses. So if you were a secret Cathari, you had to have secret churches, and they put little

whatever their secret codes were. The Cathari taught that the institutional Church, the Roman institutional Church, was Satan's Church well, and by extension, any of the other Orthodox Church as well. The initiates and believers weren't immediately introduced to the more gnostic esoteric doctrines. Shocker. The Catharie cast doubts on the validity of anything that the institutional Church taught, particularly their materialistic mass. So the

Roman Catholic Mass, the liturgy was materialistic and therefore for profane uninitiated. The gnostic Catharaie, however, had secret revelations that would later be revealed to the initiate as they climbed up the rank, and they were told that this was equal to the Apostolic teaching quote unquote, Their proof text for this was Matthew thirteen eleven, which they said was their secret teaching. The evil principle in the world is equal to the good principle. Both evil and good are co

eternal battling principles. It is the material world, this world, that is Satan's kingdom. It will never come to an end. Satan will always have dominance over this eternal physical world. One theory as to the origin of this in terms of Bogobolism, was a dualist missionary by the name of Nietus Nicetus was a dualist heretic from Constantinople in the eleven sixties who perhaps brought this dualism to the West. The basic presupposition of this whole sect and this whole religion

is that body and soul, matter and spirit are utterly incompatible. The origin of the Cathari myths, so that Kathari actually have their own texts and scriptures and myths. They use some of the Bible, but they'll reinterpret it. The Kathari fables, for one, They used scripture, non canonical Christian legends, Jewish apocalyptic literature, their own imagination, the vision of Isaiah, the interrogation of John this weird you know, supergraphical texts, gnostic basically texts and

odd texts that purport to explain the fall of Satan. Okay, the Interrogation of John is an odd text that purports to explain a non some weird thing. The fall of Satan has taken on the form of a serpent to have sex with Eve through his tail. So here we get like babbling in Talmud type stories, right, Kabbalistic stories. The Perfecti amongst the Cathari could alter and mix up these tales to make them sound really cool and appealing and use

them. Basically, they could alter them and use them as needed. Radical Cathari, there were even radicals amongst them. The radical Cathari were extremely deterministic. The fall was an act of free will. Excuse me, the fall was not an act of free will, but was in fact intended to happen, and in their myth, their myth is one of a Satanic conquest, whatever that means. The perfect I had vernacular translations, that they would take

these texts put them into the vernacular. That was part of the reason why they had success was they could whoever could read would read these texts and maybe they couldn't read Latin. The Kathariye sympathizer would be awarded a reincarnate body higher in the scale of being. If you came over to the kathari they would say, well, you know, follow us, you'll get a higher body. The true affinities of the kathari were with far Eastern asthetics, in other

words, like far Eastern religions Hindu type asthetics. So there was you can see the parallels with like Hinduism here. Obviously the vegetarian, vegan type of stuff. Morality here is replaced not with right and wrong ten commandments, but with severe bodily asceticism. The Catharide denied the divinity of Christ shocker right. Obviously all these ethics, theory, son, and spirit are subordinate entities to the Father. Nor was he fully human. His humanity could not be fully

human because Satan created the flesh and humanity. There were two gods and there were two creations. This was in fact another religion altogether, So basically a gnostic mythos using certain Bible texts and other texts to have a totally other religion. Because we're enjoying this, I'll read a couple of super chats. Since you know, I've been doing this for about an hour forty are we Hopefully we're not lagging too bad? All right, we got an hour ago.

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to get this in one in one big talk. I mean, this is probably a This is probably going to take two or three different installments to finish this book, but it'll be unique because nobody else is doing this kind of a in depth type of thing. The fall of Cathism came from internal dissensions. As usual, heretical groups and movements collapse from within because they're all impelled by ego and lunatics and demons. Some took radical dualist views, and then

some of them turned around and took monus views. Excuse me, not mons semi dualist views. Excuse me, but dualism can easily flip over Pnewmanism. By the way, the Major Cathari. The Major cathar book was called the Book of Two Principles. There's a shocker. It shows the Italian Cathari we're beginning to feel the weight of the Catholic apologetic of the time. So they

were having to constantly deal with the Catholic apologetic. They were getting beaten over time, and so the Kathari attempted to adopt and they took on many Catholic elements. So originally it's this really radical thing, but now they're kind of blending a little more. They're kind of watering it down a little more because they're having trouble with the apologetic arguments innocent. The third launches a crusade on the Cathari. It's called Albagensian crusade. It scatters the Gatharai at first,

and many of the Perfecta ended up being killed. Between twelve twenty nine and twelve thirty seven, many prominent families in Tuluse were persecuted. The Council of Toulouse in twelve thirty nine set all principles based on ad Ablindaan the anti hereticbole for supervising the deviations to Catholic dogma. The first commissions of Gregory the Night to the Dominicans came in twelve thirty three. They were the same. They

were some of the most formidable statements of repression. They weren't immediately successful, however, they were drowned out. Excuse me. The heretics were driven out of Toulouse for a time in twelve thirty five. The mechanism for repressing heresy became more efficient over time. The tide begins to turn with a guy named Peter of Saila. Peter of Saila was an inquisitor and a companion of dominic The fear of punishment did end up causing many of many of the heretics to

avail themselves of what is called a time of grace. So they kind of did this thing where they would send the Dominican or the inquisitor out and they would say, here's katechisus. Come to the katechisus, get taught, will sit in debate, refute your heresies. Then you get a time of grace three months six months a year. If you keep preaching your heresy, then you go to trial. That's how it worked, basically, I mean they would vury that model. A party of inquisitors had been, in fact and

killed by nobles in one of the arguments. Interesting, so I'm assuming that note means that even some of the nobles had kind of converted over to heretical views. Now the cathari will, you know, they're like, they're not done. They're gonna eventually get entire damn castles that they own. It's crazy. I'm gonna have a little piece of candy so I can stay awakened. Summation of Catharism. The appeal to scripture was made easier by the vernacular translations

of Scripture. The true foundation, however, was in far Eastern religions and their ascetic teachings, Gnosticism and the fakiers of China and India. Catherism was influenced by fakiers in China and India. Catherism truly is the heir to Bogomilism. It was an upset. I don't know what that note means. It has an upset sacramental life in exchange for a lifetime of sacramental living in favor of one right of supreme Oh, I see Catherism upsets sacramental life. In

other words, this is interesting. Your whole life becomes preparation for this one right of consolamentum. So rather than you know, weekly mass or weekly confession, your entire life is preparing you for these lunatic hierarchs in this crazy cult to give you this weird ritual that will unite your spirit to your soul or whatever for you from the body in Satan. It almost sounds like Heaven's Gate type of stuff, right, Like, didn't Marshall apple White say that when

the aliens come, you're gonna leave your body and your body's evil. He has some kind of weird like this, dude. The Kathari replaced Christian reality with compulsory extreme asceticism. Sin is purely a metaphysical state of being and not an act of the will or a violation of moral law. Nope, that's a huge difference. It eliminated redemption by denying the incarnation of Christ and his crucifixion in favor of a subordination of the Spirit and the Son to the Father,

and was radically dualistic. Catholicism is therefore an extreme Christian heresy and ultimately a different religion altogether. The dramatic fall of Catholicism from a major threat to the church in the thirteenth century, early thirteenth century, to a persecuted minority, to the full on disappearance by the fourteenth century. It arrived in eleven forty. Well, I don't know what that note means, but basically, oh, having arrived in the eleven forties with the bogamill influence and the Nicetus

of Constantinople influence. The historical writers about the sect of Nicetus are and some of Alessandria and some random dude from Lombardy both attach significance to the visit of Nicetus to bring these Eastern cult ideas. We're not talking about Eastern Orthodox So basically, and some excuse me, Nicetus of Constantinople appears to have been some kind of bishop, a bishop, bishop called Nus of constant and noble.

I don't think he was the Bishop of Constantinople, arst bishop whatever. He was some guy from constant noble called the bishop of Bishop Nistus who had been influenced by far Eastern Fakir dualistic philosophy, probably Chinese Indian philosophy. He brings that at the same time as Bogamalism comes over to Western Europe. That's the point here. Bishop Nicetus taught that the existing church order is faulty. Nicissus ordained his own monks UH, and one of those monks becomes the first Katharai

bishop of Italy. He claimed that only he had the valid consolamentum that had come from the far East. Patricius of Bulgaria came and doubted the validity of Nicetus and his orders. So here the heretics are friending amongst themselves because the because the Eastern cathari UH, one by one guy named Simon, gave the consolamentum to Nicetus. In other words, Nicetus's lineage of this made up consolamentum right was invalid because the guy that gave it to him had lapsed. That's

what I'm trying to say. From this, factions and divisions rose. We're describing the fall of Catherism, because so they fought amongst themselves and they basically just collapsed. Two parties formed. One of those was led by a guy named Judaeus, who succeeded Mark one of the cathari and the and the rival sect was Peter of Florence at Mossie, a council was held to unify Cathari,

so the Cathari have their own council at Mosci, Italy. The the Kathari chose a head bishop named Geratus, who was prepared to go on to go on a long journey to Bulgaria to search to find the true Consola consolamentum ritual. Just as the collection was being made for his journey, he was discovered to be in reprehensible circumstances having sex with a woman, and that was not allowable for Kathari. So I guess we can send that guy to find

the true ritual. So the attempt at unity the Kathari council ended up in an orgy by their leader and the whole thing collapsed. Others were sent to find valid consolamentum rituals and failed. Bulgaria was supposed to be a stronghold of Bogoboism, and so the Cathari did not generally. I can't read my note there, That's why they were going to Bulgaria. Catholicism, however, did not typically contain Antiinomian teachings. This was the view of the Massallians right.

The testimony of the Inquisition shows that the Cathari were not in fact Antinomian, but did have a strict code so to speak, not that they necessarily kept it. As we said, their major book was the Book of Two Principles. Yet eventually the Kathari began to feel the pressure of the Catholic apologetic the Catholic polemicists. Polemicist forced the Kathari to think more about their dualism and whether it was coherent. For the Catharid their dualism had actually previously been kind of

in the background of their theology. Through the Catholic apologetic and argumentation, they more and more forced the Cathori to deal with the implications of their strict dualism. One of the one of the theologians came to this conclusion, John of Luggio, and this was another indicator in their collapse. Was one of their major theologians, I guess was having problems with this innocent the third The crusade against the Cathars did appear to be effective, first in Languadoc and then in

Italy. In twelve twenty five, they held a council at Prius to set up a new diocese. Between twelve twenty nine thirty and twelve thirty seven, the backbone of Catholicism had been completely broken into loose due to the surrender of the pro Cathar count. So the state is propping them up. So notice this is probably not just a bunch of weirdos. If they had not had state and princely noble aid, just as Luther will have aid from the German princes, none of this would even work. Right. So as soon as

the count in this place surrenders up, where do you go? What do you know? The sect begins to collapse. A council and to loose was set up, set up a systematized canonical police system to root out heretics based on the Pope's ad Ablendon bull Gravy, the Ninth Commissions, as we said, the Dominicans to drive out Cathism. The Dominicans proved very effective at this. They were driven out to loose by twelve thirty five by the Dominicans,

mainly from twelve forty to twelve forty. This is the turning point. Peter Sela, the commandon, the companion of dominic and the only I can't read my notes there, but he was a moderate inquisitor for a wire I see he at first was a moderate inquisitor. He later achieved much success, and many people availed themselves of the time of grace because theyed they feared the future punishment. Oh that's because they would give him a three year period. I

see what I'm saying. So basically twelve forty to twelve forty three was like the grace period. So they would come and preach, and you had like one or two or three years of your period of grace before the state would come and the inquisitor's hand you over to the state. A group of inquisitors were murdered by Katharai in Auvignon. I can't read my note, it looks like I says Avignon. This resulted in a siege on the Cathari stronghold or

castle in the Pyrenee. Two hundred Cathars ended up arrested, including the Cathari bishops of Toulouse and Rose. In twelve forty nine, Count Raymond the second abandoned his policy of tolerance and now began to persecute. He burned eighty Catharised suspects in one day, and I can't tell what city agent. His successor, Alphonse of Poitier was brother to King Louis the ninth and became a hard handed persecutor of all heretics. The last Cathar was burned at lung Burn in

Languedoc as late as thirteen thirty. From twelve forty three, the writing was on the wall and Catharism had been rooted out and collapsed. Bernard of co u c au X interrogated four thou five four hundred and seventy one suspected heretics. Quera Low q u e r I l o u s was the last castle stronghold of the Catharie. If you go and look up the Cathari castles you'll see like seven or eight of them that they had all somehow obtained these

castle strongholds. So they had to have, you know, state elite support for this. The last of their castles, the many Cathari castles, was this Quera Low or whatever. Bernard of co had interrogated, However, so many of them that his sentences or penalties listed. Out of the four hundred and seventy one, two hundred and seven were sentenced, twenty three were imprisoned, and the rest were given yellow crosses and other penances, Bernard of Co

had in fact not burned anyone. The records were recalled after a few years and then so what they would do is they would interrogate, you would have this penalty that you'd wear a yellow cross for three years as a penance. And what I'm saying is that people think of inquisitions like just billions of people being burned, which is all just pure nonsense. In this one example of Bernard of Co interrogating five four hundred and seventy one persons, two hundred and

seven of them were sentenced as recalcior and heretics. Only twenty three ended up in jail and the others were given penance and note, and no one was put to death. So it wasn't as crazy as people make it up to be. Now there, as we'll see, there's different inquisitions. Okay, there's papal inquisition, there's earlier state inquisitions that we saw in this these sections,

and their Spanish inquisition. Spanish inquisition is gonna be directly under like Isabella and stuff, right, Papal inquisition is supposed to be directly under the pope. So they're not all there's not just everybody doing there's different types of inquisitions, and eventually there becomes the Holy Office of the Inquisition. Okay, so these are developments that take a long time. Don't get this stuff confused. But even still, the entirety of the Inquisition did not murder millions of people.

I think Henry Commons says it was a few thousand. So this is all exaggeration. And I'm not a Roman Catholic, and I'm gonna be honest and fair with what the secular scholars say about this stuff. Where Catherism of the twelve forty twelve forties declined from persecution, the perfect I switched the black robes for hidden girdles and retreated to the country. Simultaneously, Dominik's House for abandoned women and abandoned Kathari girls grew popular. Cathar leaders authorized them to then

shed blood, so now they turn into a bloody cult. The indura was a form of Kathari self imposed suicide. It was consonant with the ancient Greek gnostic idea of the body being the imprisoning power. By the demi urge Plato, some Sami bodies the prison bodies of tomb and as a result, the perfectionist mindset ended up in a suicide cult. There was a revival. Now we're kind of jumping around in time, not because the notes are out of place, but he's just kind of looking at the course of it, reflecting

upon it. Pierre Autier in twelve ninety five and his brother Guillaume helped to evangelize their relatives for Catherism. Pierre ended up captured and burnt in thirteen eleven, and this was the ultimate final death blow to Catherism. The fall was due solely to the determined use of the machinery of a few churchmen country Catherism was a household manifestation of a parachurch organization. The Cathars would only marry other

Cathars at this stage. This doesn't really make any sense because marriage was outlaw. But the sect can of course change with the times, as sex always do. And now you can kill, now you can be bloody. Oh, we were pacifist, now we're revolutionary. Bloody. I guess you can be married now. The deathbed, the deathbed consolamentum purported to grant full assurance

of salvation, and this was the this is what gave it larger. So basically you could do whatever you wanted and then just do the deathbed suicide ritual to achieve salvation. This is just crazy stuff. Another heretic pops up around this time called I Vote of Narbone. I've always a wandering preacher who fell in with the Cathars. They he sent missionaries to the Sorbone to destroy Catholicism from within by gaining an inner knowledge of Catholicism at the university. That's a

weird one, just a random guy that pops up. The murder of inquisitor Peter Martyr in twelve fifty two was an action of the Kathari because of the persecution of heretics in Milan. The struggles between Frederick the Second and the Pope kept the heretics alive. It actually slowed the persecution, so the Pope starts having problems with Emperor and the Kathari take advantage of this. Milan's heretics were brought to order at the end of the thirteenth century with Belowne along with Bologne

in thirteen oh nine. The last heretical Cathar bishop lasted listed in Western Europe was a Cathar bishop of Tuscany in thirteen twenty one, Peter Order, Roman Catholic saint started up confraternities for the suppression of heretics. Could you imagine this after Vatican two, a famous Western saint starting up a confraternity for the suppression

of heretics. Catharism, Catholicism revived in this cathar suppressed atmosphere. So by after a few centuries, Catholicism's on the way out thirteen hundreds, you're now getting revival of Catholicism. Heresy was squeezed into its ultimate oblivion in this time period. Heresy in the Roman callis knowledge was expanding in the thirteen the fourteenth

century. At this time. At this time, universities are popping up everywhere, New medical schools are popping up, and so this is making it more difficult to kind of deceive, you know, so many peasants at a local level. The new piety of Francis of Assisi and the emphasis on Christ's human life also helped kill Catherism in its dualism and gnosticism. This incarnational emphasis of

Francis appears to have helped ideologically. However, as we said, a new danger was beginning to emerge that we started this talk out with because my notes are out of order, yochemism, there's going to be a heresy even within Franciscans. Chapter eight. The Waldensians after Bergamo, after the I can't read my note. Only the Waldensians continued to survive after this. Out of this time period, all the other crazy cults that we mentioned, they'll die out.

Only the Waldensians survive from after twelve thirteen up into sixteenth century, so they make it for a few centuries, then they're out. You're done. Compared to most of the other medieval heresies, they're really the only one that had longevity, relatively speaking. They outlasted the persecutions. The Protestants who would later go and investigate them found them under educated, primitive, and still two

Catholics. So even the Waldensians didn't make it make the Protestant cut because they Protestants, I guess went and met with them at the time of the Reformation. The failed Council of Bergamo, the rescript them is the only document that survives. Council of Bergemow. I guess this is a Waldensian council. I don't know what that means. There was a great upheaval in the thirteenth and

fourteenth century due to the imperial papal conflicts. So the Pope starts having problems with his western emperor, and this is leading to civil upheaval the world. The Waldensians supported Emperor Frederick the Second against the Pope. The Waldensians declared all Catholic stuff Nolan boyd because of clerical sin. The Waldensians, however, made quite a bit of headway in Germany. Wealthy families in Strasburg and Augsburg donated

heavy sums of money to the Waldenians, which helped them going. Germany then became the base the Waldensian heresing alright, got a couple more super chats. I'll hit those up, but my voice is starting to crack, even though we've still got a solid audience of about two hundred and fifty five. I'll finish up this page, and then it looks like we've got a little more on the Waldensians, and then we come to Gregory the ninth and John the

twenty second, the famous popes. We will deal with the poor Lombards, some other weird, random creepy here atics. We will deal with papal disputes with emperors, inquisition, debates, templars. Uh oh, the free spirit heresy they sound neat right, what's the free spirit heresy? The spiritualists, the Great Western Schism, not Eastern Orthodox Schism, the Great Western Schism, fraud Dolcino, Fraud Dolcino, and much much more. And then we'll come

up to guess who's after all that? John Wickliffe. Now we're starting to get into that pre Reformation stuff. I don't know how much of that will be in Part two because we've still got a lot of notes on this book. We've only covered maybe maybe one third of the notes, so again, this will probably be multiple talks. I'm going to close it out here with

this. Passaul Anonymous. Passol Anonymous Dominican of the late thirteenth century and author of a compilation Debating with Jews Heretics Antichrist, which dates from the second half of the thirteenth century, is what gives us the detailed picture of the Waldensian

worldview. This is twelve sixty six AD. Passau Anonymous gives an account of the Inquisition of forty two Waldensians. Passaul says that they had no hierarchy amongst them They believe that all of their members could preach, even the children. Even kids can preach. Ten sites are outlined as Waldensian schools, so they had set up ten different places where they had schools. They will be very

similar to the coming fifteenth century group known as the Lollards. The Waldenians believe that the words of consecration could be spoken by a lay person or even a woman, so they believe in women priests. The durability of the movement lay in the faults of the existing clergy. So once again, the corruption of the institutional Roman church is what powers and fuels the peasantry buying into Waldensians. He Malcolm Lambert notes that corruption of the institutional clergy is quite often the case

of the spread of heresy. However, the Waldensians were very superstitious and ignorant. They believed that all churches that were institutional were harlots, and they claimed to have and possess outrageous, absurd miracles. So once again every sactistic, Oh we have crazy miracles. This proves was right. It was mostly It was mostly however, ignorant peasants. The newly converted were immediately ordained as missionaries who were sent out to convert as many people to the sect as possible.

They told all these people to immediately become street evangelists, who used all kinds of tactics, tricks, and methods to get people to come to their Bible studies, which were held in secret. They stressed the vernacular reading of the Bible, the simple interpretation of the text here is Protestant stuff, and their overall theology was basically fundamentalist and donatists. Anything that had been done by a sinful preacher, priest, or cleric or bishop was invalid, and the Bible

should just be read by this people. In some cases they actually would murder hierarchical clerics. The Romancalolic prelates. Other notable heresies that Passault anonymous. The Dominican found within the the Wealdenzians was that they do not believe in any icons or images. They do not believe in any relics. Pilgrimages should not be done, no one should take an oath. There was no after death journey or purgatory. They had a pure literalism when they read simple Bible, simple

Bible texts. That's his take. I'm not saying purgatory in the Romancalolic history anyway. Sorry, that is about the first third of Malcolm Lambert's book summarized. It was a little bit out of order. Sorry about that. My notes are My notes are kind of chaotic and archaic. Family plan for five dollars says double duty day, good job. I mean it doesn't feel like work for me to sit back and talk about you know, mega scholarly six hundred page tomes. That's not work for me. That's enjoyable. And you

know, joking around and talking with Tristan that was fun. It's enjoyable. It's leisure to me, bro leisure to me. Funds for five dollars. It seems the papal schism was an explosion of heresy in the West. Absolutely, it might be God hardening the heart. Aj do you mean the papal heart. I'm not sure, but yeah, I think that these are manifestations, not totally but partly due to problems within the West in terms of their theology. Now, there can always be corrupt clergy. I'm not saying that.

I mean there's plenty of corrupt clergy throughout the East, and Bogomilism and the heretic Nicetus these are gnostics who do come from the East. Sure, no denying that. But there's something fundamentally wrong here, you know, in the papal situation, as we're going to continue to see. I believe the solution to that problem is in the bad theology, absolutely divind simplicity, Philly Oquay rejecting Nicia two, which is what the Carolinians do, which were covered

with snack. That's the root of what's going on here in the West and the rise and the innovations and changes that nobody denies anymore unless you're like a know nothing online pop Roman Catholic apologists. The Vatican and its apologists and theologians have recognized a marked change between the operations of the Church in the first eight nine tenth century and what begins to change with the rise of the people monarchy

afterwards. Exactly Ecclesiology is effected on the basis of theology, not the other way around. So you know, that's what's going on here. But we're not really here too, you know, we're not here to lecture on assote my simplicity. We're looking at the you know, the scholarly approach to these largely unknown centric A lot of people don't even know anything about this time period. It's really fascinating, crazy, wild stuff. You know. That was

really into this book when I read it years ago. So enlightening stuff for sure. Thank you guys, hope you enjoyed it. Probably the next day or two I'll do the second half, and depending on how far I get in the notes in the second half, I'll determine whether there will be another one. So thank you for joining to me. Be sure to share this if you would give me that like