Okay, guys, you guys tell you know. This is the John Cast. We got Jay Dowell for the first time, guys on my show. He interviewed me a while back when I first got at a fish tank, same thing with a couple of his buddies. Jay is extremely well known in
the community of the Christian Warden Orthodox world. Guys like Jay is one of the best people you need to look up to if you're trying to get closer to God or learn more about God in the history, or if you're trying to figure out about Freemasons and gate keepers and all the secret societies, Jay's the man to do it. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
That's nice words. I don't think of myself as a that. I just think of myself as a guy who, you know, talks about fun things on the Internet that I like, and I joke about stuff, and I talk about the books I read. So that I don't see myself as like a religious guide or anything like that. So more like a philosopher on the internet. Well, you're most definitely a philosophal, that's for sure. Well, what's the most recent book you've read. That's a good question. I'm
reading in two books right now. One of them is a book that I read. I got it right here quite a bit many years ago, and I never did finish it, so I've gotten back into it to finish it. It's called Firing the Minds of Men, and it's about the history of revolutionary ideas like communism and socialism. I'm not a communist socialist, but I don't like those views. But this guy wrote the history of those revolutionary movements up until the point of the founding of America and even after that into the
Bullship Revolution in Russia. So that's a book that's kind of giving a historian's perspective on the French Revolution and the Bullshric Revolution and so forth. And it's good to read because he's kind of a defender of it, and I would be somebody who's critiquing it, so I want to know, Like you mentioned secret societies, like, it's not a conspiracy book. It's just a historians book. But the first several chapters are about the secret societies that influenced the
French Revolution and even the American Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution. So so that one's really good. It's really long and heavy, but I'm also reading another book on church history and the rises of papacy in the Middle Ages, So that's the last two books I was reading. And then fiction wise, I did The Godfather. We did a whole podcast, actually we did like four podcasts going through the whole book The Godfather, and then now I'm reading Alice
through the Looking Glass, so I'm gonna do analysis of that. That's that's awesome. One reasonally meant to get into social media in the first place, into what social media and making content all this stuff. So back in like two thousand and seven and eight, I started grad school out of college, and I thought I wanted to be a professor, and I didn't realize yet. I mean, I'm starting to realize that the academic system is kind of a scam and they don't really want people who, you know, don't have
totally crazy liberal world views. So I realized that I might not fit in that world. I had some problems with some really awful professors who were super liberal, so I just decided to leave. And it was at the point when I was in the middle of writing my master's thesis and I just walked out and didn't know what I was going to do. So I worked some kind of wage cut type jobs for a while, and then I decided I
would just try to start writing. I wrote a lot of movie reviews, ended up writing about what amounts now, it's about six hundred pages worth of stuff. Oh wow, So I read book because like all of my philosophy essays, but not my movie reviews. So I wrote another eight or nine hundred pages worth of movie reviews and then I turned that into a book in twenty sixteen. From a blog. I just was posting movie reviews every week, and then a publisher reached out after I did some interviews and said you
want to do a book. I said yeah. So everything just kind of snowball from there. That was about twenty fifteen sixteen, and I started doing more podcasts. So I went from blogging to podcasts. This is kind of the evolution that a lot of people went through in the late two thousands early twenty tens. And then I moved into doing a lot of video and YouTube, and then more stuff on like you said, social media, So a
lot more stuff on Twitter in the last year. But and rock Finn, my sponsor was Rockin I did so yeah, so I just kind of snow into doing this NonStop full time as my own job, and it turned it into a job, mad it a business. And then we also expanded into doing other businesses like real estate, so we've got another business. So we have some properties, and I have some other I'm into cryptos, so I've got three or four things that all of this kind of expanded into out of
just started blogging. Actually, dude, that's that's actually a really cool story. That's actually phenomenal. Not gonna lie, And I was going to ask you because I'm for a lot of people, they need to read books for many different reasons. The younger generation they don't read books often. Really, what five best books would you recommend for someone to read or like need to read to open their advisors a lot more. Yeah, that's a good question. I mean I would say it kind of if I had to pick one
five for everybody, I'll pick those. But then kind of depends on also what you plan to do. Like, you know, if you wanted to let's say you wanted to start a business and that's your goal, there's certain books I would read about, you know, money and goal and currency and investing, right, like the Creature from Jackal Island or Peter Schiff's book on Basic Money Principles, something like that would just be an introduction to economics.
Maybe even Ian Rand, even though I'm not a huge supporter of Van Rand. It's good to get an introduction into the ideas of economics and starting your own business. And a lot of people start with Austrian economics. That's definitely better than socialism. But I don't think Austrian economics has like every answered everything, but so, but I would say just for general knowledge for people, five books that everybody should should know about. The Bible would be number one
that definitely have read the Bible in your life. Number two, I would say probably something like Lord of the Ring trilogy, or if you're new to reading, maybe something easier like C. S. Lewis's Narnia series. Those are pretty easy to read. They're written for a young audience, so those
are like Line, The Witch and the Wardrobe or Magician's Nephew. Those would be good introductions to literature because everybody should be familiar with not just like investing or something that you need to have a well rounded education, so you need to you need to read some good literature as what I'm trying to say, right, and then you could work yourself your way up to Dostievsky from that, Like, you're not going to be able to start out reading Dostievsky if
you've never been reading, It's gonna be really difficult. I would say, you know, in terms of literature, Flannery O'Connor is good. Uh, Dostievsky is good. It'd probably be good to get, you know, a basic idea of like some of the main Shakespearean plays, that kind of stuff. But other than that, I mean, it just kind of depends on like the direction that you want to go. If you want to learn more about philosophy, I would say you need to read some Aristotle and maybe Plato's
Republic or some of the Plato's dialogues. What really got you into reading books and becoming a philosopher, I guess at a young age. Was there something that the key moment that got you on this path? Well, my mom was a copy editor and a librarian, so I was raised with books in my whole life, so there was never a point where I mean, I
think I remember the first time I started reading. I read Wrinkle in Time when I was in I don't know, fourth or fifth grade, and then I read Lord of the Rings in sixth grade, and so I think I was pretty much hooked on reading from them. And then I started reading C. S. Lewis and Narnia, so that was kind of introduction to reading.
And then I later got into more like science fiction type stuff. As I've gotten older, I don't really like a lot of science fiction because it's so kind of cook and soy andy, But a lot of the class fantasy stuff is not, like Lord of the Rings and C. S. Lewis is pretty solid. Lewis the Space Trilogy is really good. It's actually a science fiction story that's based in Red built. The aliens are actually demons, so so it's pretty good. True, that's true. A lot of people
don't know about that. Yeah, he put that in his uh in his science fiction, like, you know, fifty sixty years ago, so he was telling the truth back then. So yeah. So I just kind of always grew up around books. And my dad was really technical and like a craftsman. He was really good at building anything and engineering type of things. He's not an engineer, but he could like just go build. He built a car from scratch one time. Oh, Wow, he's like built entire
houses from scratch. I mean, my dad's like a super kind of mechanical minded. Yeah. And then my mom is much more of a a literary person. She she edited edited, uh actually science journals for a long time. So okay, so that's that's my upbringing and that that was a lot of it. Uh was that? No? No, that's actually phenomenal. So I've a quick question. Have you seen that commercial that's been going around?
Well, there's a guy in the elevator, it's a mountain duke commercial and they drink and they start drinking mountain dew and he's look and pants to a mule and it turns into a reptile and not a human. Have you seen that commercial? Likely there's a mountain dew commercial show all these different people and they turn into the webtiles or other animals and like they paneble and they're looking at themselves through a mule and they see who what they truly are.
Have you have You haven't? I haven't, but it sounds interesting. Yeah. It kind of makes me think of like you know then you know, like you know how the Freemasons they like to p jecked. They have to tell the truth, you know, to some degree, you know, the elitist world, it's like they have to tell the truth so they can't have the blame on themselves. You know what. I think there's some truth to
that idea of telling what you're really doing. It's kind of a psychological work there, technique to hide things in plain sight, and then by doing that, it's kind of just because of human psychology, people don't notice it or people are conditioned to accept it. So yeah, one of the things I wrote about in my books was that a lot of fiction, a lot of movies predict the future, right, And how do they do that. Well, it's not because they have a crystal ball and they can literally see the
future. It's because they want to condition people to where they want to take people in the future. So this is a big part of propaganda, and you know in movies and even even books, is to prepare people for the world that the power elite want to bring about, which is a technocratic, socialist of order. So I think that, Yeah, I think that when you see commercials like that, I mean, I don't actually be believe that there are reptile people, but I think that the commercials like that will reveal
number one, the way that the corporatively view humans. They view them like children, like animals, like cattle, cavemen, right, most like cavement, so that they see people as basically less than human or animal animals. So yeah, they so they want to try to control and corral people into ultimately, like I said, of technocratic order, but they like to throw it in people's faces. So it's kind of like it's form of gaslighting.
Yeah. No. And I was in New York the other night at some Christmas party and I was just walking down the street looking at all the apartment complex and it's just boom boom stack stacked all over the place, you know, and me thinking it almost looked like there's farms in California. How they have chicken cages all these little cases with a foot radius, but chicken could walk in. I'm like, they're just cattle. Everyone that's in New York
City is just cattle. That's why I was thinking, that's what it looks like, you know, the setup that is like a factory form. Right.
Yeah. Now, when I was when I was in we did an LA show and we were here comes there when I did my LA event, a few weeks ago, or actually a couple of months ago, we were hanging out with a pretty famous comedian and we went up to his to his condo because that's where he filmed his podcast, and he was talking about how he just noticed that the condos that he bought that were really he bought a
condo, this this condo structure was really expensive. It's over in the Hollywood area, and he was talking about how he realized it looks just like something out of it just tope be in story where the humans are basically stuck in giant bens, like a kind of a farm or a factory farm. So he was actually the same thing that you were saying about the condos in Hollywood. No, it's true, and like, I do not understand how someone could live in a city like that, me personally, Like, I'd rather
be up in the mountains, you know, in Ogan. And I'm sorry you would probably before the same thing. Oh yeah, yeah, So I think you can have fun in the city, and you know, if you if you had enough money and you want to have a city condo. My family has a condo in Nashville that we go to sometimes, but I wouldn't want to live in that area. Because I mean, like you said, cities were designed a long time ago to be mechanisms for really controlling people.
So there's always been a kind of a battle between the people from the country and the people in the city. And the people in the city think that there's sophisticated and they're better than the country people, and country people are stupid and that they're superstitious, And there might be some truth to that. The city people can be just as dumb or even worse or more dumbed down and controlled and NPC you know, bugman, rootless consumer men who are derastinated and
divorced from their land and from their heritags their people. So that's the purpose of the city as a kind of social engineering mechanism. Now, city could be good, it doesn't have to be that way, but most modern cities are designed that way. No, that's true. So I have a good question for you. What can people find your book and what can they buy it? Which book there's most recent one that came out? Yeah, I got two different ones. If you go to my website, Jason analysis dot
com, there's a shop and the shop is both both. All the books are there, but the new books. This is just a little philosophy book. It's kind of it's a little difficult. You don't have any philosophy background or knowledge. But this is a newer book. It's called Meta Narratives, Essays and Philosophy and Symbolism. I think it's twenty or thirty bucks. I forget exactly how much it is. I think it's thirty if it's get it signed. And then this is the big fat book that's like all the essays,
and you can get both of those at the website. This is a nicer done book. This one's kind of a homemade thing. I don't even know who actually put this together, but that's a long story. But so both of those are on the website. Okay, awesome. And then my other my other books are still there, but they're they were they were published with a publisher. They weren't still published in their essotery Hollywood, And there's two there's part one in part two and how long have you been selling books?
For now? In writing? So this one was published and the first book came out in twenty sixteen. Okay, this was seven years ago. It still sells like every day, which kind of blows me. Away, but I chose to write on something that you know, ended up kind of being evergreen. So I wrote about symbols and movie movies and conspiracies related to
movies in Hollywood. So the book is about like all the movies that predict the future and what predictions have come true, and the different kind of attitudes of the directors and the you know, how they want to mind control everybody
basically. So that book has just proven to be really popular. And I think after you know, Epstein and all that stuff came out a lot of what I talked about in it, because the first several chapters are about Kubrick, and Kubrick had a theme where in his movie, especially as White Shot, like he was exposing Epstein style stuff. So, you know, I was talking about Epstein style stuff in twenty sixteen, you know, before it was like mainstream news. I know, he had already been in one court
case, but people didn't The world had not heard of Epstein yet. No, yeah, they did not at that point. And you've been you've been having some pretty big guests on your show. You interviewed Alex Alex Jones the other day, didn't you. Well, I host Alex's Fourth Hour. I've been doing that for three years. So yeah, we did a special with Alex a few months back, maybe six months ago. But yeah, we've had some really pretty big interviews lately, I mean either being on somebody's podcast
or they've been online. We did I mean, we did Jamie Kennedy, we did Colonel Douglas McGregor, I did Tristan Tate a few years ago. We did uh uh, I did Eddie Bravo's show the other day. Uh So, yeah, we've had quite a few pretty big name people of late. Do you know when you're gonna get on Joe Bulgan's that's gonna happen eventually, I don't know. I mean, I don't think he I mean, I would definitely go on there, but I don't think he really likes a
lot of the stuff that I would talk about. He doesn't seem to really care about, you know, Christianity or Orthodox christian or anything like that. So I mean, I would do it, but I don't. I'm not holding my breath, but I think, you know, there might be a possibility of like going on Patrick med David's podcast. That would be huge, that'd be awesome if you do. I mean that we were. I've talked a couple of times to the to those people, so maybe maybe one day.
I was also on timcast in January. Last January. Yeah, so what are your big plans for this upcoming yeal. I'd like to score some bigger interviews, I mean some uh some uh, you know, big names like you said, more of those. Those are always fun. I'd like to, you know, really get deeper into some of the books I haven't covered yet. I want to cover more fiction stuff. I mean, we've done so many theology talks and so many history talks and philosophy talks, and
for me, I just like to branch out and do other topics. It's not that I don't like those things, it's just that it gets it's kind of boring if you just talk about one thing over and over and over. So maybe we can expand into doing more fiction stuff in the next year. I have a big Muslim debate in January. That'll probably be the last debate I do for a while. I'm just kind of I've been doing debates for like five years. I'm kind of tired of that, so I'm gonna take
a little break from debating. Yeah, but Yeah, I'd like I'd like to get back on some of those big podcasts. Oh, we did the Tucker I was on the Tucker Special. That was a big thing. So I'd like to, you know, go on Tucker Carls and I'd like to go on some of these shows in the next year. No, no, and I think it's more than possible for you. Quick questions and when you debate people about Muslims and orthodox how do you win the debates? What key
points do you make to people? That's a good question. I think the key to being good at debate and winning a debate is a few things to keep in mind. It's kind of like playing chess. And I'm not good at playing chess. But Jamie, my wife, she's actually really good at chess. She always beats me at chess. But kind of like, you think ahead and the steps that people will make, and so you're planning your
moves and your arguments based on what you know they're going to make. So I think the number one thing to winning a debate is knowing the opponent's position as well as they do, or maybe even better than they do. And if you are good enough at that, then you already know pretty much every argument or move they're going to make. Number two, know the informal fallacies,
and it kind of just becomes second nature. If you've done a lot of debates, you'll kind of know, You'll kind of sense even if you forget the names of the fallacies, you'll kind of sense that, Okay, that's not right, that argument doesn't follow. So knowing the fallacies is key, and then it helps also to if you've done a lot of debates. So I've been doing debates since I was eighteen or nineteen, so that's like
over twenty years, and you know, started in college. And one thing you learned from doing that for over twenty years is that most of the time, people will make the same moves and make the same mistakes over and over and over. Really, so that's pretty common. So someone they don't want to really adapt it be this is going to I guess, is the human habit essentially. I think, oh, I think part of its human laziness.
To you know, it makes sense, Yeah, it's people want to rep people want to fall back on easy, simple, lazy, emotional things. So like the most common thing is if you're having a debate with somebody and you're sticking to the issues, they'll try to divert it over into making it about you. So that's the most obvious quick diversion tactic. And so let's say you and I were having a debate about I don't know whatever.
Well, let's say we were debating whether we'll say morals of abortion or something like that, and then you said something like, well, Jay's wrong because uh, look at this, look at the mean comments he made on the internet, and he's a bad person. Yeah, well, me being a mean bad person, even if it's not, doesn't it disprove that not being it doesn't have anything to do with what we're arguing. But most people will
fall back into that because that's the easiest way to reply. It's the laziest way reply, and it actually is pretty effective for duping a lot of low IQ people in the audience. So if you have a dumb audience, they're going to just go with that, Oh, yeah, he is dumb, so he can't be right. Look how mean he is. Yeah, well but that's a bad argument, right. So uh, And that's not to say that there's not a place at time for jokes and jabs and rhetoric.
But if your whole position is purely rhetoric or you know, just kind of jokes and satire and jabs. That's pretty flimsy, and it's going to be pretty obvious that you don't really have a good case and you're just kind of deflecting. So you know, if you've done this for a long time, you'll start to see the same old patterns most people. Most people do, and part of that's because people aren't really taught effective debate skills and strategy and
rhetoric and logic. So people don't learn that in college or even if they get a college degree, like a lot of times, for example, if I'm debating like an atheist, like an atheist biologist, right, yeah, they most likely, I would say ninety five percent of the time. And I've had a lot of debates with those kinds of people. Like they've never had a philosophy or logic class, so they'll know a lot about biology or some niche area of biology, and they won't know anything about what a fallacy
is. So they're not going to win a debate no matter how much biology they've studied, because they're going to immediately violate the rules and laws with making no that's true, and that happens quite a bit. Like I'm not a perfect debate I'm trying to learn how to become a better debate. And I've seen some of the tactics you've been doing, like on Twitter, spaces or some of the things just places different places you debate, and I would say
you extremely proficient at the way you do it. And I've been I've been trying to pick up some of just some of the things you do well. The main thing I do is just notice if what they're saying logically leads to the conclusion of the argument they're making. And most people don't even make arguments, like they don't even know what an argument is. Like people think an argument is just stating your position or just asserting something. Abortion is wrong because
it's bad. Okay, well that's it's not an argument, right, that's an assertion. But we need to know why it's bad. Right, abortion is because it damages the person and it leads to, you know, collapse of society. And these would be giving arguments supporting claims for the assertion. No, that's true. So I have another question for you. How long have you been a follower of Jesus Christ, and when did you first accept him? Well, I I was raised Baptist, but I didn't get serious
about reading the Bible until my senior year of high school. So I was eighteen when I started reading the Bible and kind of taking church more serious. And then I had a long period throughout my twenties of where I was studying church history, and I went to the Catholic Church for a long time and became Catholic into two thousand and three, and then started to doubt that in about two thousand and eight nine somewhere in there, and then I kind of
just didn't go to church for a few years. And then I started King of the Iron Fist Tournament five Orthodox Face, especially in about twenty seventeen. But I was already convinced of it in twenty fourteen. Okay, So so it's been it's been twenty plus years essentially, Yeah, pretty much. Okay. And how many people do you think you've devoted from Islam to Christianity? Has anyone came up to you and said that you've done it? Or yeah?
I mean we have a discord of like over ten thousand people. So not all of those people were Muslims, but I mean, we've seen thousands of people from all different groups of products Atheists, Roman, Catholic, Muslim, and even some Jews have converted to Orthodoxy from a lot of the work that we've done. I mean, it's possible to know for sure, but we do know for for sure. I mean, I've had at least a few thousand people tell me through emails, DMS, conversations that's actually, that's
actually pretty cool. Anytime I've had someone told me I've helped them get closer to God, it's like a good feeling. Yeah, it's one of my favorite things to do. But no, that that's actually pretty awesome. Have you heard about the white clock, dude, I guess it's a phenomenal that's been happening with Muslim people. Well, what is that white cloak? It's what they're falling him to guy. Yeah, a guy in a white clock. I've heard people talk about that. I don't know about it, but
like they see a vision or something and they convert. Yeah, so a lot of these people, usually in the same town. Is when it happens, like sometimes five thousand men we get the same dream all one night. Oh really, Yeah, and there was before to him as the White clock Man, but it's Jesus Christ going to them and showing them the wait.
And a lot of these people end up devoting to Christianity from it. But most of them they don't want to say it was Jesus Christ, which is why they say the white cloak Man, because they don't want a lot of people they don't like committing they've been lied to. Usually I've noticed, Yeah, I like to read more about that. I mean, do you know, is it just something you saw online or is there a place to read about that? You know what? I didn't, so I didn't see a
personally. My buddy Blue was extremely into Christianity. I actually had his dream with him a couple of weeks ago. He actually got He helped me to get back home. I was stuck in Texas for a little bit and he helped me get back home. He was a strangel. I just sent him a DM but I knew he was a Christian and he just helped me get back home. He's an amazing guy. But he was telling me all about this. I guess there's a whole bunch of articles on the internet. He
was reading in different videos of people interviewing people about this as well. But I think it'd be something cool to go out and interview people specifically about that. Hmm, yeah, that's worth looking into. I don't know much about it. I mean, most of my focus has been on just kind of the the philosophy of Islam and like whether it's logical or whether it's consistent. So we've debated pretty much all of the big big name Muslims except for one.
I think Muhammad his job is about the only big name Muslim that we haven't done any debates with. Yeah, I mean there are probably some other ones I'm not aware of. But have you thought about having a warder Stones on your show? Yeah? I asked somebody who knows them, and I don't know if the message ever got to him, but yeah, I asked him if he would want to do a show an interview sometime, and I don't think I ever got a response. I messed him on Twitter, I
think one time too, and I didn't get a response. You want me to text him that just had him on my show, and I could you could tell him that I'd be open to doing a conversation. I enjoyed his interview he just did with Alex the other day talking about Henry Kissinger. So that'd be a good place to talk, a good place to jump off, because I just did like three or four talks on Kissinger when he died the other day, So that'd be perfect. Oh yeah, no, most definitely.
Yeah, right after this, I would send him a text I would give him over. Yeah, hopefully that goes through, which I think you would have an amazing conversation with him, to be honest, it'd probably be extremely insightful. Yeah, he knows all the details of what was happening, you know, in the Nixon administration, because he was there with Nixon at that time when Kissinger was doing all that stuff. Well, what do you think is going to happen for twenty twenty four election? The election? Who
knows? I mean, they could do anything. They could roll out another scamdemic. They could we got a big cyber attacks, cyber polygone like cloud stock about. They could try to have a World War three. I mean, who knows. I mean it could be none of those things. Might have an economic collapse. I mean, any of those things could be rolled out. I'm sure they're going to try to stage you know, fake t E R R O R and claim that it's you know, mock people,
and I would say that's that's probably pretty likely. No, that's I think they're going to try to do the same thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they do that. I think it's extremely likely that they're going to. I feel like, what's going to happen. Biden's going to die and then the chick below him is going to take office and we're going to go to wool and then quote unquote like you were saying, it's going to happen, and she's just going to stay in office. That's a dictator. It could be.
It could be something like that. I mean, anything is on the table. I think after we saw the last election and then that they use the the excuse of COVID and all that for the oh we got mail in the A L l O T S right, I'm just trying to avoid because the YouTube's you know, I know you know what I mean. Yeah, No, I know what you mean. I think everyone in the audience knows
what you mean too. Yeah. But they might try to do something like that again to avoid because they know that that Biden is pulling like some outrageous amount like twenty percent behind Trump and that I think it's never been that way never, There's never been that much of a disparity in this in the in the early polls before. Yeah, there's no better. That means they couldn't steal it, right, Like that's too much of a disparity to outright steal.
So they might have to just completely pull it. Who knows what. Yeah, it would be impossible because, like you're saying, there's gonna be too much out there. And I think a lot of people they realized how shitty he was as a president, and everyone's paying the price for voting for him. At this point, there's not going to person that's not paying for the price. Like I'm sure obviously the v elitist is making a lot more money. You know what I find crazy though? How uh all the people
in the government. If you watch how much money they're making trading stocks and doing all that entitle trading, they're making more than a professional trade all right now, Like you look at the stuff they're making, it's like it's like, dude, well that's the real reason people were run for office. Yeah, they're running for the entire stuff. That's why they've been doing it.
The whole time. Yeah, I just find that so insane. It's like it got to like I'm sure back in the day it was probably a lot less like this delific was a lot less when Nixon was president, or maybe it's when Jeff k was in president, but since then they made it so when someone becomes president of once for office and all the people that backing them up yoday know this though, they back them up and then they come in like, oh, do this and this and this, and we pay you
for this and this. Yeah. The King Tournament five Hilary was running and it came out with open to explain your truth. That is the ancient promise continued in this campaign. They when she when she came to power, she would basically divvy up Libya and give it to, you know, the Saudis
and the people that had donated to her campaign. Yeah. What what do you think about the war in the Middle East with the santas And I think that's kind of a control scenario that uh, they have had their sights on, uh you know, oil and gas, uh Greater Israel project, I mean all of the non plan that pretty much planes everything that's happening now. It was planned a long time ago. Albert Pike. No, no,
no, I don't. I mean, I think there are probably plans for a future of World War three, But I'm skeptical of the Albert Pike letter. I just I don't know if it's authentic. I mean, yeah, it looks like it's not authentic, But I think there are people that do plan in those kinds of scenarios. But do you mean what's happening right now in the Middle East or like the future World War out of the Middle East? I guess I think this is the expand Israel expansion, this project that
they've had for a good while. So okay, yeah, well what do you like? I know, there's this Tom caught about a wartime is harvest time. Have you heard that Tom before? Mm hmm. It's like from the elitist when they do when they go to war in a Pacific alba, that's usually when they kidnap all the kids and do their sacrifices with their kids. Yeah. Well, I think that wartime definitely allows for a lot of
black market operations. Yeah, so when there's a war, people are displaced, that allows human trafficking, that allows the establishment of black markets, drug running, all kinds of things that might not have previously been there. So that's definitely true. Yeah, yeah, no, I think so too. I think that's a bigger thing than people realize. It's kind of crazy to think about how how crazy it woke again, Like it's kind of crazy to
even think of. You know, we live in America. We don't see nothing nearly like that in the States, at least not yet, right, you know, like imagine living in Europe or the Middle East, and like the Middle East, like that stuff's happening all the time, Like in South Africa, example, South Africa, people have to defend the house on a daily basis from raidos in some places. Yeah, you know, it's just crazy to think about we live in such a luxurious lifestyle where we don't have
to worry about our livelihood. Yeah, that's probably not gonna last for it forever. I mean, if we continue on the path that we're on, all of the prosperity and all that will go away and oh yeah it's going
on. Yeah, I mean, America can easily collapse, right, I mean, there's no there's no magical power that protects America because of you know, the powdered wigmen that drew up the Constitution, and they put their powdered wig, their magic powdered wig dust on the constitution to make it infallible, and it will never fail. I mean, the whole country could collapse very easily if we had I think it would only really collapse with people on the
inside bringing it down. I don't think that we would fall to external armies. I've read and listened to different military analyzes. I'm not an expert on
any of that stuff. That's not my field, but a lot of the military people that talk about this say that, you know, it's really hard to militarily take down America because of the way it's positioned, because of all the bases, because of the seas, and you know how we're protected and guarded, because it would be difficult to invade from you know, Canada or Mexico unless you had open borders, and then and that would be done by
people, moles and traders within right selling the country out. So I think that the biggest danger, the real danger to America falling, would be internal subversion and sabotage. And I think that's very possible. So how that will happen or what will happen. I don't know, but a lot of the fiction that they're preparing is, you know, they're preparing for, oh, civil war, right, collapse in civil War. I mean that's been in the the fiction going back to Red Dawn, going back to Walking Dead.
And this new Obama movie is about you know that. And the new Alex Garland movie coming out next year is called Civil War. So they're really pushing this idea of the collapse of America. Okay, yeah, and so I guess you know, do you have any closing statements you want to say before you plug your social media caps closing statements? Thanks for having me on if you're If people are interested in my stuff, you could go to my YouTube channel, Jay Dyer. You can find my fourth hour of Alex Jones over
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