Is Christmas Pagan? Refuting the Yearly Nonsense: Jay Dyer on Quite Frankly

Good evening, everybody. I hope you're having a good night. It's definitely an honor of mind to be here with you on this Wednesday, December eleventh, twenty twenty four. Make yourself at home, pour yourself a cup of something hot or cold. It's up to you. But it's a it's a pretty rainy day over here. It's not a white Christmas yet. I wonderful we'll have one of those again sometime soon. It'd be really, really nothing debilitating, but just to add.

A little bit of a glow, a.

Layer of something on top of all the Christmas lights, so you get that nice sub snow level, surface level glow.

You know that what I'm talking about.

I love that if we can get a well timed for the actual holiday, something again not debilitating, so people can still get in their cars and get to their destinations safely. But you know, what do you want? You can't have everything. You can't have everything. As the barber, the Russian barber told me when I was fifteen, and he said that my hair was thinning, said, what are you talking about? He saw something that I didn't. I should have listened to him instead, I hated him.

What I was gonna do.

Even if I did listen to him, get get what go start with Rogaine. At least I managed to get through college without it being noticeable. And then it was well, I told the story before the hell we're talking about snow on Christmas. Now it's back to hair anyway. I like shaving my head, so go to hell. So here's what I have for you tonight. Jay Dyer is returning to talk a little bit about Christmas. You know, every year around this time, the Marxist d bonkers out there.

That's all it's about and tonight.

I have more tonight because this is the time of year, around the eleventh day of December. Yeah, we're getting there, getting closer and closer. Fourteen days out. This is when we're going to see it all simmer all the subversive stuff starts simmering. Many people who are just living their lives outside of the interwebs are just going about their business and they're counting down the days in the calendar, not only to Christmas but to the New Year, and

It's crazy.

I'll talk about that in a little bit, but that's all I have to say. In the meantime, you still have plenty of time to go and make gift baskets for all of your friends, stuff stockings for all of your friends. With our affiliates. You can go to quite frankly TV to the affiliates page. There's Blue Monster Prep. Get people gift certificates for prepping so they can go out and get water filtration and you know, two way radios, food,

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What do people say that Jesus was born four years before Christ was born? I never get that. I thought that year.

Zero was year zero, Like, no, actually he was born in uh three BC. Wow, jeez, that's really early to talk about an early due date. You know, Aurora showed up three years three days before her due date. You know, she's supposed to be on the seventeenth of September, showed up on the fourteenth.

Jesus showed up three years early. I never got it. But what the hell? Who am I to question?

Why?

All right?

So, so yeah, I think that's all I have for you right now in the second half of the show, aside from taking your calls and all the responses to I'm sure we're going to get with jayder On with us. We have to get into we must get into the

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Book club, and we've been doing that for three years. In fact, our guest tonight is he's a multiple time co host on the Quite Frankly book Club, Jay Dyer. And it's this time of year where most of us are lost in the bustle of the season, reflecting on a year of a year's past. But we are still we're still in the middle of a war, and that's what we have to we get reminded of all the time.

From Fourth of July.

To Thanksgiving, we are fed a steady diet of whiny, subversive nonsense to disengage us from tradition. That happens a lot, and of course the same is done for Christmas and Easter alike. Now, right now, we're in the middle of Advent, So there's a cacophony online that is building, and it's

He's back with us tonight, Jay. How you doing? Hey?

What's that? Mon'm done great? How are you?

Oh? I'm doing all right.

What do you usually do this time of year to get ready for the big day? You have a lot of traditions to you and the wife go to certain places, you like, do certain things, get in the mood.

What do you do?

I mean, for the Orthodox Church, Christmas is huge, so like we have really long services, there's a lot of services. It's a huge affair. It's only rivaled by Easter, so you know, there's a lot going on. So mainly it's just kind of focused around that kind of stuff. But my personal experiences with my wife, I mean, we just kind of do the standard stuff everybody does with family.

Well, I know you guys are also really big into I've watched so many film breakdowns between you and your wife, so I got to imagine that you guys have at least a top five Christmas movies that you go to if you're gonna sit down and watch a Christmas movie that you know is always going to hit the spot for you.

What is it Jingle all the Way?

Actually, yeah, that's one of our favorite of the worst Christmas movies.

Absolutely.

There's a couple of comedies that are kind of funny, just Friends, It's kind of funny. But we actually kind of like Lord of the Rings around this time of year because I remember it seems like Lord of the Rings came out in the theaters back in the day, you know, two thousand and three or so, right around Christmas time, So for me, it's kind of a Christmas movie.

Yeah. So those are some of our favorites.

But i'd have to think about what I mean, there's not actually that many good Christmas movies.

A lot of them are pretty much junk. But yeah, Lord of the Rings.

I guess, well, if I were given a little bit of time to make a list, I'd have to say that there's there's more good Christmas films than there are Well, there's a lot of bad. There's just so many, so just by laws of probability, many of them are gonna be bad. But just like I can't stand most Christmas songs, but that means that doesn't mean that there aren't hundreds that I love anyway.

You know another one.

That's not necessarily a Christmas film I always watch around this time. You and I did the book The Godfather. I always end up watching around this time of year.

That's a good point, Yeah, I kind of use.

I mean, I know this is kind of nerdy, but I like the original Star Wars, and for me, that's kind of a Christmas time movie. I guess I grew up playing so many Star Wars video games around the time of Christmas, because if you play video games, you get a video game around Christmas time, you're going to be playing it. So that's also kind of burned into my mind as a Christmas era movie.

Shadow Shadows of the Empire on n sixty four.

Oh yeah, yeah, I played the crap out of that one. I had it on PC though, but it was a lot of fun. Rogue Squadron, like all of those like sixty four.

Era games, were a blast for Christmas time.

There's also like some really good I'm good and super nerdy here, but there was some really good PlayStation two Lord of the Rings games too that I remember playing the crop out of It Christmas.

I remember that.

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So like now I have this separate DVD player that I plug in the HDMI three port.

I feel like an idiot.

Anyway, thirty years that's what I really want to say, thirty years of PlayStation I can't believe that it's been

Right, So there's a lot of different things we should say.

In fact, it was all derived from the first chapter.

Of the Book of Luke. And I sent you a great article by an Orthodox priest. His name's father Jeff Harvey, and it's a good shepherd Australia Orthodox Church. He has a really good article that I always share around the time of the year that explains the basics of the Christian dating of Christmas and what has really absolutely nothing to do with the pagan dating.

I'll just make it really quick.

Basically, in the first chapter of Luke we can derive when Zachariah was doing his priestly duties during Yom Kipor. So this is mentioned that in Luke one Zachariah is doing his priestly duties. We know that that's the time of the offering of incense and whatnot on the day

You know the other thing there too.

I I.

It's all very interesting because the one thing that people will say, even without blinking, is that, you know, Jesus wasn't born in December, right, he was born in June. It's just a knee jerk thing that people who like to pull a you know, an actually on you say, you know he was actually born in June. And you know, I usually just say, oh, okay, because what am I supposed to do? And what When you ask, well, how

That?

That comes from just a misunderstanding of or somewhere wrong that timeline because you stopped in June for a second. There, it's just misunderstanding of that timeline.

Then did that had to do with uh, John the Baptist?

So that's I stopped in March because they're calculating it on the basis of what's in Luke one. Yeah, so really it's nothing. So in other words, John the Baptist's birth would be June twenty fourth, so that would be John the Forerunner, And that's calculated as two hundred and seventy days after the announcement that Zachariah's wife.

Would have a baby, Elizabeth would have a baby. That's John the Baptist, right, Ye.

So then if you read Luke, there's that point where Luke and where Leeke describes Mary and Elizabeth meeting, and so we know about the annunciation date wise from that time, and so that's why we get to December twenty fifth is nine months after this, the Annunciation being March twenty Excuse me, the Annunciation is March twenty fifth according to Irenaeus.

Of the church, Leon Aeron Leon.

He's telling us that we date this from March twenty fifth for John the Baptist, and then nine months later or assuming for the Annunciation, the niemus later is the birth of Christ. So I mean, whether you think that's wrong or right, Like, that's the explanation that the second century Church gives for where they're getting the dates, and it's from the Book of Luke. It has nothing to do with trying to date it to the Roman census or whatever. It's literally dated just like Easter or Pasca.

So that is always built on these.

Kind of Atlantis assumptions that there's this massive change after the Constantine created the Catholic Church or whatever. It's just not true. And you can actually read the people who were Christians from the first two third century and there's an abundant I mean all of these books up here in the Red that's abundant amount of information from that time period. So it's not a mystery. It's not like

You know, Pasca.

In fact, one of the biggest controversies in the second century at the time of Aaronais between the East and the West, is about when.

To date Pasca or Easter.

So if the very first controversey that occurs is over when to actually date Easter, should it be specifically the Jewish calendar or something else, tells us that this is not.

A pagan invention.

Later or centuries later, it's one of the earliest controversies in the shit. It's called the Quartodesseminarian controversy over when to date Easter. And you if you read those church fathers, Easter is not o star or that's just a later Germanic term that has nothing to do with Pasca. They call it Pasca. And it's just amazing to me that, you know, people are this ignorant, not trying to be rude to this people to disagree, but like it's.

Not very hard to go read.

You know, people from the second century writing about Pasca, and in the Orthodox Church it's very clearly East, Like, it's very clearly passover. In other words, the Greek word pasca means passover, so you would never mistake Easter for something pagan in the Orthodox Church when the entire ethos is passover from Exodus.

You say, what about just the the etymology of the word Easter, you know, and also visuals of things like bunnies and eggs. Where if there is very fundamental foundational differences between these pagan practices and of course the the the the the establishment of the Christian Church, then where where does the the the overlap happen, at least in popular culture?

How does that start?

Right?

So, there was a I'm trying to remember the exact spelling. It's aeostore etre, which is just the Germanic word for that goddess, but it's also a Germanic word for that season. So you know, it's like, think about the days of the week or the way we talk about the months, right, sometimes the like January or john u Sometimes that the names for things did signify a god, but that's not

Does that make sense what I'm saying?

It does? It does?

And you know, when it comes to something like soul and victis as well, you know, I admittedly I want to do more reading on this so that the knowledge

Yeah, both the celebration of the what we call Christmas christ Mass or the Divine Liturgy and the dating of Pasca or Easter are at least two centuries of one hundred and fifty years prior to Constantine. So no, there's no way really to conceive of anything malicious on the part of Constantine on the.

Basis of these dates.

So there was these dates where we're well established far before Constantine ever existed. And again you can read you know, Cyprian, you can read Ignacious, you can read herein as you can read Tertullian, you can read Origin. They're not all saints, but they're all what are called writer or like Origin and Tertullian that end up being saint, they're called patristic writers because they still give us an insight into what the thought of the Christian Church was in the second century.

But even if you did doubt that, that really.

Has nothing to do with proving or disproving anything relating to what we're talking about, because, like I said, the church fathers that are prominent at Nicia and after Nicia teach all the same stuff as the ones prior to Nicia. For example, Saint Athanasius, very famous defender of the duty of Christ.

At Nicia and so forth.

I mean Athanasius has festal letters that he writes to his all of the churches under his bishopric for.

Easter, for Posca.

I mean you could read his postcal letters. So the very people going to the Council of Nicia have Pascal East Easter letters. You know, they're famous letters that you can go read. So and he talks about the celebration of the feasts and all that. So, No, the origin of these things, although it does pick up elements of the cultures that are that surround you know, the Roman Empire or that we would you could even say more so Greek influence, like Byzantium. Like, the origin is really Hebrew.

Nothing. There's no evidence.

Or proof for any kind of conspiracy theory there when all of the stuff that I'm talking about far predates the the pagan tribes converting.

You know, and every time I talk to you and guests of your caliber, you know, it is always very shocking to me to be reminded of how much there really is as far as a historical record, because I mean, when you when you think about anything around third century, I just feel like everything that has already been turned to dust.

There's there's nothing left behind.

There's a very small amount, but there, as you said before, thousands of pages on any number of areas of what's been going on around there. Let me ask you about one thing in particular, and that is the history, the preserved histories of the the the pagan Germanic druid kind of you know, everything that's going on in Europe prior

No, the latter.

Most of what we have in terms of scholarly you know, documents academia is literally just given to us through the monastics, scholars, and missionaries of that time period. So, for example, I had some grad classes on this.

I know about it.

Like if you go and study boe Wolf, a lot of scholars think that the the there's a recension that Christian monastics did for those texts, and so there's sort of proto Christian elements in beoe Wolf, which probably suggests that there were Christian monks that translated or preserved it and then maybe gave it some sort of christiani Ish

All that's possible, But what it does show is.

Is most people, i think will admit there's that there's not really a lot of knowledge of the ancient European pagan traditions. If you go into a lot of these groups, you'll find that the neopagan wotan Ode and all these different people that they're are knowledge of the they're actually uh doing a lot of reconstructing work. So they're kind of just kind of making it up as they go.

Uh.

If you read a lot of Tolkien, you know, Tolkien was a specialist in that uh, in that arena, and you know he was working with the EDAs and these various Icelandic manuscripts and whatnot when he was writing Lord of the Rings, and you know, there's just not a whole lot of material that's preserved. There's a there's some, but it's not like there's this all this like arcane ancient you know, pagan heritage that's hand lore that's handed down.

And that's not.

Surprising because if you look at a lot of the other cults and esoteric groups. For example, on my channel, we just lectured through the entire almost the entire five six hundred pages of the recent Cambridge publication of the Cambridge Companion to Western Mysticism and Esoterism. There's multiple chapters on the Pagan tradition, the ancient mysteries, the ancient Greek

Most of that.

Is from the first three centuries. So that's outstanding compared to I mean, if people want to resurrect some kind of Nego Pigan whatever, like they don't have anything. They would be ironically going from Christian monastic translations in the seventh eighth century. And if you go take a class on Beowulf at the University of Grady, I'll.

Tell you all this.

Let's get into a couple other.

I'll just pick up a couple more figures, like Santa Claus for example. Now as far as Saint Nicholas, what has become now, I mean this cartoonish you know display that we have this.

You know where we live right now.

I understand the difference between the two and how anything can be taken and bastardized in a commercial setting. But there's a lot of people who say that Santa Claus himself comes from Odin and that the flying reindeer and the red and white suit is very is you know, it harkens back to red and white magic mushrooms that if you take it, you hallucinate. Maybe that's how the reindeer fly. So again there is more of that going back to the Yule with the reindeer and everything else.

Right?

So there are way later russo finish, you know, like there are like Russian myths of like guys out in the woods who are a.

Father Frost or something like that. He even has a name.

I don't remember his name, but that really has nothing to do with the actual origins of.

Saint Nicholas. So this is Saint Nicholas.

He's this is an actual guy in the Orthodox Church.

He was at the council that I see.

In fact, he's famously the bishop who slapped Areas in the face in the midst of the Council of I see, it's a famous story. You can actually go and read about Saint Nicholas in terms of his history. We one year ago went to his shrine, So I've actually been to Saint Nicholas's shrine. Not that that necessarily proves anything, but it proves that it's really nothing to do with the Amanida Muscara mushroom father, you know know, Father Toadstool,

Know, Santa Claus.

But yeah, I think American corporations play a huge role in that and sort of corporatizing it and divorcing from anything.

To do with Christian tradition.

But of course that doesn't mean that all the legends around this this saint are true, or that there or that there weren't much later syncretized blended myths about the two the pagan and the Christian figure.

Oh yeah, And I can totally see anybody who spends any time on the Internet should be able to understand how when you just you leave an idea to any kind of culture or subculture, what what happens to it over time? I mean, just look at the the timeline of development for the wojack and any other meme, any

Exactly that's a good knowledgy.

Yeah but yeah, but okay, so what we're talking about here is mostly all just in Europe. When you get into the Bill Mahers the Stephen Fries, we get a lot of taking from everywhere around the world, Egypt with Horace and Osiris, even though the one thing I will say is that when it comes to December twenty fifth, the only place that I personally, with what little research I've done, have been able to find a direct match

Knock the other way around to you know, it wasn't.

So what with Mithras, I don't see I really don't even see anything that's mixed on where you know that's December twenty fifth.

I didn't see that anywhere Egypt.

Well, I think, yeah, so there's nothing to do with December twenty fifth with that. But what what the overlaps with Mythras are the importance of blood sacrifice. You get a baptism of blood in the Mithra cult.

There's a lot of virgin there's a lot of virgin births.

There's no but I mean there was like all this.

This is the thing is that like almost all ancient religions in some way utilize a lot of these kind of archetypal ideas, the virgin right, the death resurrection ritual. That's like literally every religion. So it's a it's again, it's a fallacy, like a literal fallacy to think that because there's similarities that therefore they have.

A common origin. Right, they may.

But just because they bear similarities or there's some overlap, again, it's a non secutor. Doesn't follow from that that therefore Christianity is taking from the Pagans.

It's just a it's a fallacy.

You actually have to demonstrate it because you could literally argue in any The reason it's a fallacy is that it could go anyway.

You go either way, Well, how do you know that it's not the Pagan's borrowing from the Christian tradition?

Right, So it'd be like saying that the great analogy people make is like, well, you know, let's say I create a company and it looks very similar in terms of its you know, symbology to the Apple logo, and I call it bitten Apple, Right, and then five thousand years from now, archaeologists look back and they say, oh, look, you know, here's this guy.

He's got a company. It's called bitten Apple.

And then we get this other company called Apple, and they're around the same time. So Apple must have borrowed from bitten Apple, right, I mean that would be false because you know, you're just sort of making you're doing guess work thousands of years later about which one came first. And just because something that came first, it also doesn't necessarily mean that the thing that came later necessarily borrowed

It's just a fallacy.

Let me give you some examples of a couple of things where there's a great article written by a scholar actually in a non Christian book.

So there's a book called the and this.

Is Everybody Loves Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell. They think it's also mystical. Indeed, Well, here's a book called the Mysteries that's written that's addited by Joseph Campbell and includes a bunch of Carl Young stuff, and there's a great.

Essay in this.

I didn't expect it to be what it was. It's called The Christian Mysteries and the Pagan Mysteries by a guy named Hugo Ronner, who's a scholar from about fifty years ago. And the whole essay is just going through all the ancient mystery religions and comparing and contrasting to the Christian religion in the early Church in the first, second or third century.

And what he notes is that.

The Christian mysteries, or what we call the sacrament so Paul talks about the revelation of the mysteries in christ is that there's a clear difference. The difference has summed up in three main points. He argues Christianity is a mystery of revelation, meaning that the mysteries become clear, they are revealed to us. They do not remain inscrutable unknown mysteries. Secondly, Christianity is mainly concerned with ethical living and concerns the

Egypt is of course a unique outlier in that.

But you could argue that Egyptian monotheism and resurrection might have been influenced by Joseph's presence or Moses's presence in.

Egypt if you read the Book of Genesis.

So we don't know in a lot of these ancient historical cases how it went down.

There's a lot of.

Guesswork that goes into ancient history. There's far more that we don't know than we do know. So when people try to make these sort of outlandist dogmatic claims, oh well, we know that Judaism and Christianity borrowed from all these

Yeah, and you know, I think that's really when when when you bring it up that way, I think that's why. It brings me back to the question not very dissimilar to the one that you, me and Tim Gordon discussed the last time we were all on together, that question being

What about the story of Christmas?

Do you believe sets it apart from everything that came before or after it? Because faith is at the center of the matter, no matter what. But this is also why we were talking about the importance of the validity. I think a lot of people put a lot of a lot of energy into the validity of relics and miracles and all that stuff because they I think everybody would wish that they can just have a road to Damascus moment and get struck by something that they they saw,

Uh, well, I.

Mean as a as an Orthodox person, I mean and a person who's in the philosophy. I don't know that there is a strong empirical thing that I could point to, because anything in the empirical realm is going to be subject to interpretation, and you're going to interpret your empirical data according to the worldview of the paradigm that you have. So I would say the strongest evidence would be you just have to go to an Orthodox Divine liturgy and

I mean.

So it's just like I mean, every self help guru would tell you the same thing. The mystery religions are anti history, and so I think that you know, Christianity is not a cloudy religion. Orthodox Ritianity doesn't teach a cyclical view of history. There's no goddess. You're not going to get a shortcut to elimination through drug use.

There's no hatred of history.

And rather than saying you are God, and the Orthodox Christian idea of theosis, you become God through grace, through participating in the divine energy.

So it's become a son of God. Through grace.

You don't become God himself, but you do become deified. So I would say that's a big Those are all very big contrasts to the ancient mystery religions, and empirically, I would just say, you'd have to go check it out.

Yeah, And I guess the closest I've ever gotten to anything like that is really an analyzing the opposition to all this stuff, because I respect anybody's skepticism. I know when somebody is, hey, I still come upon questions that crop up for me along the way, and yeah, yeah, and I and I really, especially if somebody approaches a dialectic or anything like that in good faith, I think it's great because it's you just it's it's a growing experience.

And as in these you.

Know, on these HBO specials and stuff, and that in itself is their gotcha question or their gotcha statement, because Ultimately they believe that every as tech deity was bullshit as well, especially when we're talking about like new atheism. But there is a certain reverence still that they have for for example, Native American Religon, just because all this stuff creates a an environment of plurality, and plurality is the primary weapon that is used to undercut Christianity in particular.

That's that's that's the thing.

The first thing I started noticing time and time again before I ever even consider going back to church regularly, is that even in these very Kumbayah ways of introducing and really plugging the idea of plurality, it's all about putting a barb in the side of Christianity. And because that seems to be in the cross hairs of every major power out there right.

Well, again, the basics of Christianity are, you're going to have objective morals, tenk commandments. A man has dignity because he's mandamaged of God. So you can't kill you know, will you know? The it limits the state. The state can't say it's God.

You know.

It teaches people to live in sobriety, with self control. It doesn't say the world is evil. You don't have to flee from the world. You just have to live according to you know, the Covenant, so to speak. So I think those are all net positives. Are kind of obviously good for mankind, and they're not good for you know, the control system of this world. So they have to try to subvert it, try to control it, to try

So that's actually a fallacy.

So uh, I mean, because people did things in the past, even if they're right or wrong, that doesn't tell me that the people that are doing it today are necessarily true that it's wrong or right. So again, there's all these logical leaps. And what's amazing to me is that somebody, the new atheists, like they're not even proficient and basic logical fallacies.

No, you're you're right on that. And of course this is your this is your forte. I mean, you spend most of your time seeking out debates, and I've watched many of them, and uh, you know, it's it's one of those things where I take a look at it and I can really respect to you know, intellectual giants, one that is just you know, a theist and one that is an atheist, just going at each other, and I want to see whose position is winning out logically. But to your point, new atheism is really built on

It's not a lot of thinking.

And I'm you know, I'm totally comfortable with people being skeptical, but this is just, uh, you can just tell if you watched any episode of John Oliver, you know exactly what you're going to deal with when you are talking to an atheist these days about this subject. So anyway, that's Jay. It's been a wonderful time with you tonight.

I think we had most of the highlights.

I mean, yeah, I've got a lot of debates with academic atheists and people like you know, doctor Malpass or Matt Dilla, Hunty, Stefan Malin, you have debated all those kind of academic minded atheists, and people want to go check out those old debates. But no, I think we kind of hit all the main points I was thinking of. Thank you for having me. It's always great to come on. I love the conversations. We have so many good book

So I might be doing a show with h with.

Sam Hyde, so nice, but that happens, then, uh, you know, we'll be shifting into probably doing a lot more comedy than we have been.

So less debates and more comedy if that if that comes about.

Well, that'd be great man. You know, it's always good to move things around. And if you if that ever brings you money chance into the New York tri state area, you got.

To come visit.

Yeah, I would be up there that way.

You got it too. You got to visit the studio absolutely, yeah.

I'd love to man, love to hang out, all.

Right, brother, have a great night, Merry Christmas. If we don't speak, and I'll talk to you soon.

Yeah.

And by the way, if people want a good, wacky Christmas gift, you can always get my books.

That's the trek.

Holly Wood wanted to sign copies that Jason Allis is in the shop and Alex won his judgment, so I should be continuing to do this hopefully, uh for the foreseeable future, I guess. And then I'm working on so Tury call you with three so that book will be out pretty soon too.

So that's that's the fourth hour on Info Wars on Fridays, right, yeah, okay, the good So you can listen to Jay there on the fourth hour on Fridays on Info Wars wherever you listen to it. I usually bounce in on those those slots on the talkstream map and all that. I like the audio streams, but it's great to hear from you. I hope I have Jasonalysis dot com. As in the description of the episode, I hope people go buy some books and enjoy the rest of your work.

Thanks my man.

All right, thanks Rany, take care.

All right, there he goes. It's eight oh seven pm.

Let's take a really quick break when we come back, gonna do your calls. We're gonna bring that maybe until about the bottom of the hour. It's only about twenty three minutes from now, and then we'll just we're going to go right into the the UFOs. We're going to go right into the UFOs. And today we actually they dropped the term mothership. Drop the term mothership. Of course, it's an iranium mothership. It's not like a blue wavian. You know, we're not talking about uh, not talking about

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Whatever you want to bring to the table, go ahead, go ahead.

It would be wonderful to hear from you, Soose two says a great guest tonight, Frank, thank you and shout out to all the Franklis and Franciscans. I hope to get really Christmasy next week. I really do.

Well, we have to. It's a last week.

Last week, and then that next Monday, the twenty third, I'll have my parents in here. We'll have a little bit of a family stream, and then it's you know that Christmas Week gets broken up pretty good by the holiday. But and then after that it's the New Year's Eve disruption. Our first show back on the air, I think it's going to be Wednesday or Thursday. I think Thursday. The second you know who we got called into the show right now. It is a good friend of mine. I'd

How are you Wayne, I'm done, I'm calling you back now.

Yeah, it's great to hear from you.

You know, you know, I shouted you out the other night and people don't don't believe because you're you're active in the chat room you've been called in for years.

Will you celebrated to your ninetieth birthday this year?

Right?

Wayne?

Yes, but actually I'm not ninety What.

Are you.

Fours?

Ah see, you're almost ninety one?

My gosh, yeah, yeah, my birthday. You show to yours?

What do you in March?

Well, late March, March thirtieth, March thirtieth.

Oh wow, only a couple of days, you know, Wayne, you know what this means, right? This means if you're in March, you're gonna be ninety one. This means that next Christmas is almost going to be You're at You're almost at the nat King Cole cut off the Christmas song. Hey, you know, you get you get wish to merry Christmas, whether you're one to ninety two. Once you get past, right, you don't you get, you don't get anywhere.

Whether it drops off after that.

Then you don't get any more special treatment after ninety two.

Wayne, just let you know, well.

Well that's where it goes, That's where it goes. But anyway, I also I want to let you I got got three books for book club, and that's how I'm lined up for that, you know. I like that. So saying that I'm not sure that the video things, but oh.

Oh well, you know what, the film club is going to be something else. I think I think it'll actually be a lot easier to do because obviously, with film Club, it'll just be all right, everybody watch this movie and we're going to get together on this night, maybe the last Monday of a film club month, so everybody has about three weeks to What I would really love is to be able to get everybody together for a group viewing, but that's not that's not gonna be feasible.

So I just think that's not possible.

Yeah, but I'm glad you're gonna be with us for for book Club, we're starting off with Fhrenheit four or five one, of course, that's right.

You know. When I when I contacted Amazon, I said Fahrenheit five nine one. They corrected it for me. But I got the book. I got all three. I got all three books, you know, The Big Fisherman and Tom. Oh yeah, yeah.

That's great, that's great.

I can't I can't wait to read Tom Sawyer because that's just one of those things.

Yeah, you sort of know, but you don't know.

Yeah, you know, Yeah, there are certain works of art, whether it be written or visual or something like that, or movie that just get bigger than itself. They become just they become so culturally important that you get all the references even if you didn't even read or watch it. And that's that's I want to get all that that Mark Twain stuff out of the way.

And I, yeah, that'd be most Queen's very good. I always liked him, but I never really read these books read honestly.

There you go, we do that together.

So anyway, well, I just want to let you know that I'm calling in and I call him when I had something pertinent to call about. But other than that, you know, I'm just sort of a greeted on YouTube chat room.

So well, you do very well, Wayne, You're I hope I can be as active as you are when I am ninety and three quarter.

Thanks for the call, and thank you. I appreciate talking to you.

All right, take care. All right, there you go. Such a nice, nice man, such a southern gentleman. There you go. Like that. I like that.

I always like getting calls from him. We've getting calls for a long time, all right. Jay Britz is great discussion with Jay Dyer as always, Frank, thank you well, thank you. Jay Simmos is a great guest. I can't wait for the UFO discussion. Oh it's a discussion and a half. What the hell is going on right now? Cave Toad says, debunk the rebunk, Frank, keep it up. Dawn says, Merry Christmas, Frank, much love to you and your family. Thank you, Dawn. This is all on quite

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I mean there's plenty plenty that we talked about. So again, you can comment on whatever you like. We haven't totally moved on from that. Call in for comment if you'd like. But here is what I wanted to get into now. It's eight fifteen. Let's just jump into it. After this call six zero eight, you're on the air.

Go ahead, Hi, Frank, it's Jenny.

How you doing, Jenny, good to hear from you doing well?

Doing well?

Yes?

Good.

I just called because I wanted to tell you that I watched the After Hours. It was the Star of Bethlehem. Yes, you had that on Sunday.

I think it was, yes, and.

It's gonna be on again tonight, but I wanted to.

Beg Yeah, it is fascinating, Frank, Yes it is. I just loved it. It is just fascinating. Thank you for showing that again.

Well it's gonna be on, It's gonna be on a little bit. Well, it'll be on the same time. I think I started that. No, No, that one might have gone on late night on Sunday after the feature.

I think we did it. It's a Wonderful Life and then that.

But tonight when we end at nine, that's gonna start at nine thirty, So even if you're watching it on the East Coast, it'll be it'll be done by like

Was just exactly exactly. And that's the thing. It's like, some people believe that the Great Pyramid was built during the Age of Leo, which would have been when the constellation of Leo came up over the horizon. I believe in the eastern sky, probably in the spring or what a certain time of year and that. And so when you look at the the Sphinx, I mean, I'm sorry, when you look at the sphinx, its head looks very

A lot of.

People think that, and I a lot of people I've heard that, and it's very compelling stuff because you're like, you're right, you're right. It seems like disproportionate. There should have been something much bigger there, and perhaps it was.

Well, I've always known that, you know, I think I think the stars and the sky and God, it's all it's all really important. But thank you so much for playing that, and I'll watch it again. It was absolutely fascinating show.

Well, well, thank you, Jenny, and I'll be watching it tonight as well because I get a kick out of that, and like I said, it just adds the improbability level of all that. It just makes you wonder whose hands at work here? Thanks again for the call tonight nine thirty. The first thirty minutes is actually really really interesting as well. So there you have it. All right, let's jump into this. Now, this was yesterday, Tracy put this up? Who the hell

I don't know how many mayors sent a letter to you this morning, ask it for a clarification.

What can you tell us? What is going on?

And why is it ticket so long to come up with an ext one nation?

Yeah, it's a good I don't blame people for being frustrated. Let me say, most importantly right up front, we see no evidence and I say this includes Homeland Security, FBI, Secret Service, our state police authorities at all levels of government. The most important point to say is we don't see any concern for public safety.

See here's the thing to keep saying that, and we know that they'll lie to us about anything. These are just very basic talking points about things in the sky. But the New Jersey aspect of this story has really only become very popular in the last couple of weeks.

Are kind of like, go, what's going on.

And nobody has any answers right off the bat, My bullshit meteor is going off?

What is this all?

About and they keep saying that is they pose no threat. But they're sophisticated, and as Tracy said, top officials are meeting all day long. They have nothing to offer the public. How do you know that they're no threat? How do you even know that? This morning, Douglas McGregor tweeted this out. Congressman tells Fox News a credible source at review that the New Jersey drones were launched from an eastern from the Eastern seaboard and are from China and Iran.

China and Iran. You want to hear that. This is Jeff Van Drew.

He claims that Iran has stationed a so called mothership off of the US East Coast, reportedly launching drones now flying over New Jersey.

In focus now, Republican Congressman Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey, member of the House Judiciary Committee on the Hill. Right now, how do you address this at this point?

Well, here's the real deal, Harris.

You know, I'm also on the Transportation Committee, on the Aviation Subcommittee, and I've gotten to know people and from very high sources, very qualified sources, very responsible sources. I'm going to tell you.

The real deal.

Iran launched a mothership probably about a month month ago that contains these drones. That mothership is off I'm gonna tell you the deal. It's off the east coast of the United States of America. They've launched thrones. Is everything that we can see or hear. And again, these are from high sources. I don't say this lightly.

Now.

You know, we know there was a probability it could have been our own government. We know it's not our own government because they would have let us know it could have been.

Did you hear that now? When I heard that line.

When I heard that line, I said, okay, all, I've never heard of New Jersey Congressman Jeff van Drew before, but he is either mentally handicapped or he's part of the operation. It's we know it's not our own government because if they were part of this, they would have.

Told us what a dummy, what an absolute dummy.

There's some really glorified hobbyist or hobbyists that we're doing something unbeliev They don't have the technology, but let's pretend that's possible. The third possibility with somebody, an adversarial country doing this. You know that Iran made a deal with China to purchase drones, motherships, and technology in order to go forward. The sources I have are good. They can't reveal who they are because they are speaking to me

They should be shot down.

Now here's my question to you. I was thinking about this a long time ago. Why don't we shoot them down? Why don't we shoot them down? Then I start realizing why you can't shoot them down? I was thinking about this all last week. You give everybody special permission to go out there and hunt turkey and deer when the population gets too much, and they might rus start right out onto parkways and highways around here in the Northeast.

That would be interesting too write.

But again, what they are, they're clustered around, it's complete, it's so public.

They're in they've got more lights than an airplane. There is no real attempt here at being stealthy.

And meanwhile, and so you would think that after a while you'll get you would get some state law enforcement officer coming out and saying, we heard about this over the last week, we looked into it, we found the source.

You know, people are being investigated and blah blah blah.

Or telling us what the hell it was, the fact that every couple of days, we have a higher and higher authority coming out to affirm that nobody knows what's going on. We're trying to figure this out. And then we have this jockeying back and forth. This guy from California, from New Jersey says that there is a mothership of Iranian origin that is hanging out off the coast. Well, our coast guard doesn't see this. The Carnifold cruise ships don't see this. I mean, what are you talking about?

Of ours a while ago?

Wasn't it wasn't that the Iranians that made our our our navy officers cry on like one of those ransom videos. It was pathetic during the Obama administration. I mean, God knows what they do have. They have something of value, It definitely came from us. But then we have this so that that that Jeff guy, the congressman from New Jersey says one thing about the mothership, and then the Pentagon comes out by.

Way of zero heads.

We have this one Pentagon denies Congress's claim of an Iranian mothership launching drones off.

The US coast. So who are we supposed to believe.

This guy on television who had I don't know, he really might have been just naive. Do you really think he's part of some grand operation. I never heard of him before. He might just be naive, gullible, a little bit stupid to think that the United States government would tell us if they were doing something weird. But maybe he is naive because maybe in that state, he was telling the truth that he heard from a good source that there is a mothership. Perhaps it's not Iranian, but

How good is the batteries?

Then again, you're talking about vehicles that are the size of volkswagons, So it's got to be something, and you know, anything that we could buy. Somebody has much better locked up in some bunker somewhere. But perhaps it is far advanced technology that is masking itself as something a little bit more primitive by putting off some kind of you know, audible hum or buzz that would be easily identified by someone like you and me as you know, blades of

Sabrina, can you tell me what the Pentagon is doing to address this issue of drone sightings over New Jersey. It's near sensitive installations, the FBI is involved, What is the Pentagon.

Doing sure, so at this time so aware of those drone sightings that have been reported. At this time, we have no evidence that these activities are coming from a foreign entity or the work of an adversary. We're going to continue to monitor what is happening. But you know, at no point where our installations threatened when this activity was occurring.

Can you rule out that these are American drones? We're with military drones.

These are not US military drones. Again, this is being investigated by local law enforcement. What our initial assessment.

Here, Yeah, but I'm sure that the Yeah, local law enforcement are investigating these things, even though why why hasn't one been followed back to its point of origin? You why after a couple of days of what the hell are these things and who they belong to? They're flying over my house at night? I mean, at the very least, it's violating sound ordinance. No, New Jersey doesn't have sound ordinances for late night and all that shit, especially if

We do.

We're a couple of miles away from Westchester County Airport, so there are you know, every once in a while there'll be a late night plane coming in a red eye or something, but for the most part, it is very very low traffic at night because they don't want to keep people awake. You would think after a couple of days of no answers, the most the easiest thing you can do is to attach one of your own drones or a police helicopter to following this thing around

It's ridiculous. War Clandestine says.

If it's not Iran, a foreign entity, or US military, that would leave intelligence community, private entity or civilian and extraterrestrial. If it was private entity or civilian, they would have been taken to task quick quick, because I'll tell you

Take listen to this.

Congressman's claims, speaking on Fox News, suggested that the drones might be Iranian and could be potentially from a mothership launched about a month ago.

He emphasized, and what does that mean? Mothership?

Does that mean an actual seafaring ship that these things are going back to landing, getting recharged, getting resupplied, and then going out and conducting their missions completely uninhibited. That they're going back out to a seafaring ship, or is there a floating ship in the sky that has been there for a couple of weeks that nobody has seen, even in broad daylight. What the hell does that mean? He emphasized the need for these drones to be shot

I'll tell you one thing.

It kind of reminds me of It kind of reminds me of those Hunter Killers, the Hunter Killers from Terminator two. You know, in the opening of Terminator two, when they're in the future and they're fighting the robots and they have those big drones that are coming over. Those are unmanned craft looking over and those are the Hunter Killers and I'm looking at those and you know, everybody right now, think about if you go into the future and that

I don't listen.

If I if we saw hard right angle turns at high speeds, we're then we're in business. We're cooking with gas at that point. I didn't see any of that. For an adversary surveillance. That could be one commercial or defense contractor testing. That's another thing.

Again. If that's the case, it should be on the books.

I know that there is limited government oversight, but there are parts of the government who know exactly who is working on what projects and whatever. So it's either we're not being told and everybody's lying, which seems that way, a psychological operation or a false flag GROC came up

So that's where we are right now. Today. We got news of a mother ship, and.

Then as soon as a very confident, perhaps slightly naive a member of Congress came out and made that that that declaration to the world, the Pentagon reeled them back and said, no, it's not true. Well where did he hear that from? And what's happening? So real quick a break, when we come back your calls. All topics are on the table nine one four, two hundred two sixty nine. See you in a second.

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Okay, ladies and jams, Let's take some of your calls. How the hell you feel in my friends, It's good to have you here. Nine one four two sixty nine seven zero two. You're on the air.

Go ahead, give me something.

Hey, Frank, this browntail. How you doing.

I'm doing well. Great to hear from you. What's on your mind?

Hey?

Well, just went in on the drone thing. A couple of things that come out. And before I was in my para, like before I was a brown tail, I was actually a one thirty pilot playing a lot of combat missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and whatnot, and uh a lot of times like the Predator drones and some of those assets were in the area, so I've gotten a chance to tangle in the airspace with those guys. And one of the things that's striking me about what's going on with this stuff. One the light is over, so

Yes, And it's not only that browntail. The lighting is over, it's it's it's bright. It's very very noticeable. It's also these craft are allowed. They're buzzing, buzzing, buzzing there. Whatever the hell is going on here, public attention is definitely part of the.

Operation, right, Yeah, And I think it might be a sy out. But but here's the thing. It's they're as big as they say they are. Then it's got to be a state actor or like like a sheriff department or law enforcement or you know where I'm going at ye. In other words, it's not just you know, Frank and Branto going out to radio check and you know, putting one together and harass in South Jersey shore, you know. Yeah, So it's got to be it's got to be either

So so I would have to imagine that you're even though you know as much as I do, unless you know something else, you're not telling us that you're just from your experience alone, you think that this is probably state I.

So here here's my conspiracy theory. I don't know if you'd be open up to it, hopefully optimistic that maybe the white Hats are doing it's it's drones and let's unless you're going to hang a hell fire from a drone and kills so with it. The only other function that serves is like surveillance, so you're tracking someone or you're collecting signals intelligence from an area, see you know what I mean. And so this has been contra over

You know what I'm saying?

No, absolutely, And again I think I think that what you lay out there just I think reinforces everything else that most people are are thinking at this time, because it's one thing to have for this to have been a for this to have been a forty eight hour to seventy two hour mystery. Everybody's trying to figure out who the who the the pranksters are that are harassing the quiet, sleepy countryside of New Jersey.

But now here we.

Are in two weeks and they have rolled out every kind of spokesperson from every intelligence head that they can find, and the ambiguity with which they speak is really something else?

Thank you for the call, Browntail. That's something else. Is this for real?

Hold on, somebody just sent me something about the chick that slept with one hundred men in one day porn star so and so her name is Lily. Test positive for chlamydia, gonorrhea, and HSV two after sleeping with one hundred men in one day?

Is this for real? Only?

The only reason why I ask is because I'm surprised that she only has three sexually transmitted diseases. But then again, twenty guys probably had chlamydia and it's only going to count once.

God, this is sick. Oh, this is sick. The world needs to heal. The rule.

Really needs to heal. I was so scared. I was so scared about STDs and shit when I was single. I remember one of the first, one of the first, I think, the one of the oldest conversations I remember having with Rob. We were at the gym that we both worked at, and I was nervous about a you know, a yearly st D check years ago, and then I told him I don't know, man.

I just can't. I think I got AIDS.

I have AIDS, and Rob like one of the first conversations I remember having with Rob is him telling me how.

Almost impossible it is.

To get AIDS unless you are unless you've got like, you know, open up, forget about it. He was just calming me down, you don't have aids.

Stop it. This woman lines up for a hundred people.

Oh my gosh, what the Hell's I ever worried about the way that some people live. I mean, I wasn't a saint, but the way that some people live, that's just horrible.

Anyway, let's take it to the call, shall we? Four zero four eight zero. You're on the air. Go ahead? Hey, Who's this is?

Luke with from Arizona.

Hey, Luke, how are you good? How are you doing well? Doing well?

So?

What do you think about tonight?

Tonight's awesome? Good night? Love to talk to Jay. The drone thing, like has anyone in New Jersey ever from the drone towards it?

Oh see, you know that's that's the thing I have not heard from anybody. And I'm waiting for somebody to say and to bring up something as I don't know.

Logical as that.

As I said before, like this, when this got to like seventy two hour territory, and now local and state authorities are bringing are having their attention to be brought to it by citizens constantly. You would think that they would at least put a police copter in the air to just do the rounds and follow this thing back to wherever the hell it's going to go, or to at least follow it until it runs out of batteries and then recover it to try to get some data

Couple of weeks.

Yeah, for sure. It'd definitely be interesting to see what would happen if someone got close to it with the drone.

Yeah, yeah, it would be.

It would be and and I would hope that somebody would be ready to do that. And nothing yet, So you're you're thinking on the right track. But apparently they can't get their shit together out there in Jersey.

Yeah.

I don't believe anything that the Pentagon's telling us. That's all bull crap for sure.

Yeah, the Pentagon seemed to be in like damage control. Then again, it could also be just kabuki theater where the guy they probably it's not out of the realm of possibility for the guy from New Jersey to have had that information planted with him from a reliable source. He feels like he needs to go and tell the public. And then the Pentagon who planted the initial information with this guy can go out there and deny it and

Yeah, anyway, Yeah, I just called to tell you rock for years.

Thank you, Luke, and I hope to hear from you again soon. You all right, take care of there you go. There's Luke in Arizona having a good night, having a good night indeed. Okay, what else do I have over here?

Oh? Here's a call Timothy Gordon. Were you listening tonight?

Yeah?

I was. I was in and out.

Oh nothing much, dude, but nothing much.

You know.

It's usually we have a at least a little bit of time to talk to each other every Christmas season, So who knows what comes up? Over the next week or so. But uh, I don't know. We only have about eight minutes left over here. Do you have anything

Well, maybe we should do a show on some of the Nativity symbols. But Jimmy Aikin has a great treatment of December the twenty fifth and all of the scientific evidence for December the twenty fifth, and why it's not just a mythic recreation of old creation narratives or whatever. It's a ridiculous story. There's a lot of strong evidence even surrounding the shout of that demonstrates that it was

Uh.

That's that's true, both historically and anagogically about the Christmas. Uh iconography.

Hey, you know, let me ask you this. I might have asked you before, but since we're going to be airing it after the show concludes in a few minutes on on the website, did you ever watch the Star of Bethlehem documentary?

No, I need to watch it was I was thinking of getting it out and showing the family just because you brought it up with me on the phone earlier. But I need to have you.

I did watch it. I watched it a couple of times, maybe about two years ago. I didn't watch it last year, but I remembered early enough this year to say we have to have that in rotation for the for the show, or in at least after hours, so tonight around nine thirty Eastern time, so that'll be about you're in central right about about eight thirty on my website is when it's going to start.

And if you've got any time, you get to peek in on it.

I mean, it's, you know, from an astronomical standpoint, you want to talk about the gears of the clock working in perfect chorus to create a incredible turn of events at just the right time. I mean, how the stars are aligned to tell the very same story you're talking about here. I mean, it's just like you know, the universe is falling in line. It's an incredible story. You should take a listen to it.

Maybe I will. I've heard that and I know some of the facts, and I think Jimmy Aiken with Catholic Answers has done a good job telling some at least part of the same story. So but I'd love to. I'd love to take a look. And it's a great service you do this time of the year, Frank, by always covering this stuff as objectively as you can objectively, it just ends up vindicating the Christian worldview.

Well, it's always great to have people like you hanging out with us whenever we whenever in need and as well just in leisure time too.

But I have it right here.

You wrote it in twenty eighteen, the most overlooked Images of the Nativity. Maybe you come on next week. I'll talk to you after the show and we'll get that. We'll get that ready to go.

Awesome, man, Yeah, I just wanted to say, great, great work with Jay. I do a Lord of the Rings reading group, that same one that I started last Hoobbit day. We're just finishing the trilogy. You were originally going to be in on that. We were starting September the twenty second of twenty three. We're just finishing, doing a chapter a week, the complete trilogy. And I had that until what would be eight year time, but then I put

That looks good. You see. That's what I'm talking about, man.

I was thinking about the Hobbit and and the three they did, the three books, and I was saying, you know what those big trilogies, I just I don't know. That's the fact that you're almost two years in and you're just about to wrap it all up. I would love doing that, but I feel like, how how many people have dropped off over the course of over the course of time, because that's my biggest fear doing a big book or a part of a series, is that people will just drop off like flies.

Yeah, yeah, they did. It was probably probably sixty to seventy percent attrition.

Right damn.

And we wound up with like six true blue Troopers who saw it all the way through. I don't know if you know the structure of the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but every book of the three hardback books is actually comprised by book you know, book one and

So, you know, at least I.

Thought, I still think about that.

First the first book club session, you and me doing wind Swept House that was over six hundred pages, and we were doing about sixty to sometimes.

I don't know if I felt that. I think it went like thirteen weeks.

I think after that book, I started doing anywhere from for a thicker book, anywhere from eighty to one hundred pages a week, just because you know, oh it's crazy, just because we wanted to get these things done within a month so that we can read at least five books a year. But so it always makes me wonder how long the book is going to be Fahrenheit four or five one. And I didn't realize how short it was because when I bought it, it was it's a

But I guess that's good to start a new year, you know, something a little bit short.

Yeah, but yeah, I was getting I kept getting behind on wind Sweat. The Great Divorce was I think the second one we did together in reading group, and that was that was my page we were doing. We were doing forty pages per week. I think with that, but.

Well, maybe maybe you'll join and me and Uh.

I mean, you don't have to co host obviously, I'll just be doing it with Steven, Jonathan and UH in March leading up to Easter. But we're doing the the sequel to the Robe. We're doing The Big Fishermen now in March. You should you should read the Robe real quick and then you should get in on the Big Fishermen Man.

Okay, maybe maybe I'll do that.

You love it, You would love it.

The Robe was really sensational last year, and it was so well timed. You should read along and actually read along to the sessions that we archived on the show. I'll send you the whole the whole series. That'll be good.

Okay, you did that with That's a little book, isn't it.

No, No, it was. It was over.

It was over three hundred pages, I think, but it was. It was so it was magical, dude, it really was awesome. There's a there's quite a few people who had like they're they were already on the path to reversion or conversion, and that reading session was really sensational.

I got to send it to you.

Oh, with you and with you and Steven.

Yeah, oh, that's.

Dope, man.

Yeah, maybe maybe I'll try to catch out and read it with you guys in March, starting on what ash Wednesday.

That well last year, last year, I remember the first session was right before. It was crazy how it all lined up because the first session.

Ended. I don't know if you know.

The the the plot. I gotta, I gotta wrap this up now. But the plot is you have this Roman centurion and you have his slave. He gets in trouble in Rome, and he's kind of like punished by being sent out to Palestine to be in the Holy Land and looking out for one of these you know, these kind of like dust bin garrisons out there, and he happens to be in the Holy Land for the time

So I think you're gonna love it.

Say say, yeah, she's a great lady. Yeah yeah, maybe I'll do that.

Man.

Well, I know you got to go, but let's do the Hidden Symbols of the Civity next week sometime, and always looking for a collab with you.

Frank.

All right, brother, I'll talk to you a little bit. Have a great night. There you go, ladies and gentlemen. Even a call from Timothy Gordon. All right, it's nine o'clock on the dot. It's almost like I planned it that way. So I'll see you guys at some point tomorrow.

I'll go live.

I should be able to get home at some point and go live from Studio B at least just for an hour and do some calls. There will be no seven o'clock show though, because we're taking Aurora to Christmas Castle, and hopefully I can be live from there around broadcast time on my phone, but if there is not enough service I will be taking a lot of footage again that we can analyze with my family on December twenty third,

Course I'll catch you on the flip side.

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