Esoteric Hollywood with Ken Matthews

All right, welcome back to the Ken Matthews Report. My pleasure to have Jay Dyer on. Jay is an author, comedian, TV presenter known for his deep analysis of Hollywood, geopolitics, culture. I see your graduate work focused on psychology psychological warfare, which I'm totally into every parent is UH film. And I see you're the author of two books. Of course, we have them both here. I finished the first. I'm starting the second, UH Esoteric. I's old. There's a third book now, so I need

there is. Yeah, I got a big fat philosophy book that's out. So cool. You're co creator and co host of the television show Hollywood Decoded. You've been featured on numerous popular shows and podcasts. Yeah, I've seen you all over the all over the UH the interweb system, and you've debated with some of the top debaters, and I those are pretty interesting too, because there's a lot a lot of MUZZLM debates in the last five years.

That was I would imagine new domain to step into there with Islam. I grew up doing a lot of debates because I was in the philosophy club and debate club and all that in college. So I have a long history of debate. But I had some friends that were really into debating with Muslims and they kind of got me into that in about twenty eighteen. So that's been an interesting track. I didn't really know you know much about Islam, So you deep dive by muslim and what are some of the things you debate.

Are you debating the tenets of various religions or belief systems or Americanism? What are you debating? Well, it started with when I got into more of the geopolitical stuff back in undergrad. I was reading some of the texts that dealt with understanding nine to eleven, understanding Islamic world views, and so forth.

So I was looking at Islam at that time from a geopolitical perspective, and I got really interested in the history of British intelligence and their tendency to work with various Islamic radical sex and tribes, going all the way back to philby Philby senior into T. E. Lawrence and people like that. So I read a lot of books on the Muslim brotherhood historically speaking. So I

didn't really have an interest in Islamic theology. But about twenty eighteen, I had some friends that were debating Muslim theology, the Kuran and so forth, it what it claims, and so I just moved into that. I got

pretty pretty interested in I'm not at all an Islamic expert. It's a there's a lot more to Islam than people think, you know, getting into it, it's it's a pretty dense subject matter because they have not just the Quran, but they have all these hot deaths, which is all oral traditions and

so forth that they try to suss out. So so yeah, so we started with the interest in the geopolitical stuff, and then I got more and more into debating it from an orthodox Christian perspective and opposing opposing Muslims from that vantage point. Well, regarding your book, again, I can't say enough good things about it. Because Jay and I were talking earlier. My audience knows this. I'm a bookaholic, I'm a read a holic, and I

get gifts from my audience, my subscribers all the time. Just check this book out, check this book out, check this book out. And I have this thing where if I give someone a book and they don't read it, I get ticked off. I don't know about you, but if I go to the if I take the time to buy a book for my son or my neighbor, and then two years later it's all dusty and daye. You ever read that book I gave you about whatever? Hollywood or Biden?

And no, I didn't have time. I was busy being brainwatched whatever. But this one is this is so good I find even though this is what this is probably seven or eight years old, isn't it this one twenty sixteen?

I think, yeah, okay. So the reason I like it is because it's so relevant to where we are today with all this this pre programming, you know, that we're doing with Hollywood, the sort of conditioning and right sometimes people call it predictive programming, which is kind of warming people up to where they want to take us through, you know, through fiction and the stuff I found most fascinating in here. And then for the audience,

we'll get out of the book. But I just wanted to mention that if your this is your cup of tea, guys, this whole juxtapositioning of H. G. Wells and you know nineteen eighty four, Hawksley and or Well all these different people had a different spin, but they were all trying to set the stage for something very unpleasant for us all, and you can't help. But wonder, as you have mentioned before, and we know this, the government is so in bed with Hollywood and publishing and news and information.

And that's I think two things happened. We get dumbed down, we get normalized to whatever it may be, fake aliens, fake vaccine, fake virus, whatever. So tell us a little bit about your background. How you ended up being I mean, this is an interesting job you have. You tie in comedy. Is that because you're a smart ass like I am? Or Yes, I was a class clown in high school, so I won

the superlative of class clown, so I was always joking around. And back in high school, I was known for impression, so I would always impersonate the teachers, and everybody thought that was funny. And it's just something I've always had with me. I did do a little stand up when I was eighteen nineteen, just experimenting with it. I decided that's not the route I wanted to go at that time, so I went to college for At first

it was religious studies and then I switched over to philosophy. But when I was at undergrad, I was really interested in and a lot of what I was seeing on the internet with regard to documentaries coming out that were kind of questioning nine to eleven and questioning big events. And so I started reading more and more about the history of secret societies, the history of espionage in the

United States, and I just really fell in love with those subjects. And so I took film classes at the same time, and I was noticing that while I had these multiple various interests, they were all kind of tying together unexpectedly because I had one class called I think it was called Hollywood History, and we did a deep dive into all of Oliver Stone's basically in a whole

semester on Oliverstone. And so I was comparing what Stone had in the films to, you know, our best record of the history in these various cases, even films obscure ones like Nixon. Most people don't think about Oliverstone and

his Nixon. Everybody thinks of JFK and so forth. But so I got deeper into JFK stuff at that time and was really noticing that there's a pattern, not just a conspiracy, but maybe there's more going on with how fiction portrays historical events, and there might be an agenda behind some of those portrayals. Now I'm not saying that necessarily Olivers himself has worked for the government. I'm not saying no. I'm just saying that I was encountering some of the

academic literature talking about films used as propaganda. And you know, I was in my twenties at the time, twenty four to twenty five, and I'd never heard this. I thought I grew up as a movie buff, loving you know, Martin Scorsese movies, loving you know, Richard Donner movies. And I remember watching mel Gibson's Conspiracy Theory back when it came out in the nineteen nineties. I thought it was fun. But then I started to thinking,

well, what if there's actually something that's true in there. Maybe mel Gibson's character isn't just a satire, you know, maybe he's actually talking about some true things. So I went deeper into that subject matter of the relationship between the intelligence as he has been gone in Hollywood, and I think in the two thousands. At that point, I was only able to find maybe

two or three books. There was a Operation Hollywood, which is a collection of essays on the Pentagon basically telling studios at times what they want in there for pro war propaganda something like that. And there was another book that Tricia Jenkins had put out CIA in Hollywood from University of Texas Press, and you know, those were okay, they were good kind of introductory sort of overviews.

But I got really fascinated with this and I wanted to know the history of it, Like what who came up with this idea of, hey, let's use the studios. And I think that it really the earliest days of the camera, you know, the pretty pretty quick, uh, pretty pretty soon after the invention of the camera, people figured out that this would be great for propaganda. We got to use this. Oh yeah, and that's what happened. You know, you got even from the earliest days of the

studios when they're set up War one exactly one. And what is the movie that just came out, well, not just came out, came out a couple of years ago. I forget the name about Hollywood at the turnblon. Yes, did you see it? I did? Yeah? Actually I liked it as well. I thought it was brilliant and I think that's one of the few in my opinion, that's one of the few mainstream films because if you look at the actors and the actresses in it, I mean, it

was it was real. I just thought it was tight. It was over the top. It was dark, very dark. But it's one of the few. I mean, if you look at Eyes, White Shut some of the other ones, but Avalon was one of the few that really went deep and dark about Hey, you know you're gonna go to Hollywood, You're gonna get chewed up and spit out because Hollywood is not about entertainment. It's about moving people's opinion. It's about getting people to do what we need them to

do. Maybe one week it's by this kind of soap, or maybe next week it's bottom the living hell out of Afghanistan. That's why they're there. Yeah, well said, I mean, I think that's the essence of the great thing about that movie was the one of the points of the movie is what people think Hollywood is and why they come here. That's actually a movie.

Like your idea of it is that it's going to be like a movie, and I'll move there and and what we find is just like in Babylon other films as well, I think, you know, David Lynch's Mahon Drive kind of has this theme too, where yeah, the Naomi Watts character, you know, she wins some contest and she moves to Hollywood. She thinks she's going to be the next you know, Ava Gardener or whatever, and she ends up a crack whar uh And that's part of the point of that

film, right, So again, very perceptive. I totally agree with what you said there, and really, yeah, that's the point here. What we think of Hollywood is is it's a fiction. It's not what it is. What it is is this machine, and it's not just a machine that's based around greed and wealth, you know, it's actually based around, like you said, think other things too, like prop again and perhaps even darker,

more nefarious agendas. And so yeah, that that that scene with you know, Toby I think's Toby mcgwah when they when they go into the underground. I think it was very like at the end where it's like, what's really going on in Hollywood is like underground, you know, like midget alligator death parties that are going on. It's like, well, I don't know what this is, but it looks terrible, like Ozzy Osbourne underneath the city eating rats with midgets and stuff. Anyway, So yeah, I thought Babylon

was great. And this speaks to this classic attachment between Hollywood and Babylon, right, the ancient empire Babylon. Yes, this is why, of course. Uh, the prominent occultists Kenneth Anger, you know, when he wrote his book Hollywood Babylon, he's calling it Babylon a purpose, and I think it's kind of you know, it's it's had that that connection for a long time, and that's I kind of see my books as like better, hopefully

better versions of Hollywood Babylon. I would I would agree, because I've read that as well. I find yours very well researched. And uh, I, like I said, because of what's happening today and because of our lives. I'm a little older than you, probably a lot. I don't know how old are you, but sixteen, just in my sweet sixteen. Yeah, I just went through puberty. I'm twenty one, so I'm a little bit older than you are. But I didn't mean to put you on the

spot like that. I don't care. I am fully clothed, by the way, I do have shorts on, so sometimes I'm in my boxers when I want to interview with it. But I started, you know, I got my degrees in political science and communications to probably two of the most useless degrees there are, well, you know what philosophy is close to, and all those degrees you can use as place mats at a diner. You know. Yeah, you don't know how many times I heard the joke like,

are the philosophy companies hiring? You know? It is funny, though it is funny, and the irony is so came. I came from a conservative family, blue collar. Both my parents had businesses. I grew up in construction and ironically, my mother had an art gallery. My dad was in painting and construction. So I had a very well rounded went to North Carolina State, was studied pre law for one year. I realized that most lawyers or whores, not all of them, but most are, and some are

actually crack horse, as you mentioned earlier, not even in Hollywood. Then I decided, you know, I'll keep political science and media. I fell in love with radio. I did just a brief stint in radio forty years Wow, and ended up guest hosting for Rush Limbaugh. The last four years of his life. And I've just had some very interesting exposure to I did cable television for fifteen twenty years, and the thing I kept seeing was nobody's

following the Constitution. People that claim to be churches are not following the Bible. People that claim to be documentarians are bs ers. This is a pattern I started to see. Even in college. I started to see this pattern, and and then I just became an information junkie. I started reading heavily, also like you in my youth. But now more than ever, our ignorance is it's strangling us. I mean, so many people are so far behind, and many are not. They're not behind because they're bad people.

They're busy, and and media knows this. So when we look toward the news, you know, Action News at six everything you need to know twenty two minutes with fake traffic, fake weather, and you know of bullet points from Washington. So now it's like, will we ever catch up? Will people ever figure out? You know, yes, mock you know Project Mockingbird,

Blue Jay Real and k Ultra Real. Uh, you know, poisoning our own troop, poisoning populations, all real everything that many of us were talking about three years ago during COVID has happened repeatedly in America and around the world. But because there's a lot of people that don't have the passion or the time. Maybe they're busy building trucks, or their their truckers, or they're physicists or working on something else. I'm just trying to figure out,

how do we get our country back? Do we get it back or is it going to be forever changed because of all the misinformation. The misinformation is so overwhelming. You go into a library, especially a high school library today and the censorship is just abhorrent. You know. I went to my university not too long ago, and I spent quite a bit of time down in

the basement of the library as I was a research assistant down there. When I was in not the deep, deep basement, just not the underground based where they not the sub basement where the midget these are eating alligators, remember the alligator allat Now. I remember we had a great reference section down there, and we had vast sections on the history of economics, espionage, religious

theological treatises down there. I would spend you know, many days down there, and now going back there about ten years later, very recently, they basically purged everything except a small section I kid you not of Marxist works. So the public school or the university I attended, basically got rid of all of their their it's a wealth of knowledge down there. Yeah, and it's all purged down to a small section of Marxist stuff. So I don't think.

Yeah, it's terrifying when you when when it's like you no longer can read Hobbes or Descartes and compare it to Marx Lenin, well, look at look at mine. Comp that's one of the greatest examples of you can't even find it anymore. And when you do, it's a censored version because the governments, including our own, they still they still censor mind comp Why I don't understand that. We know he was an evil dude, Let's read why

he was so evil? Yeah, there was even even at the time that I was doing undergrad and grad school, it was kind of understood that you needed access to those things, you know what I mean, to study them from an academic perspective. So you know, we wanted to we wanted to be able to read all of the dictators. When to be able to read mal anybody. Yeah, but now it's sort of like again, it's all been sort of whittled down to just a small amount of information that they want

you to have from specific you know, probably Frankfurt School. Marx is more or less the Western CIA CIA version of Marxism, and I think that's by design, because they have assumed and assessed that they're at the point now where education is it's one percent total brainwashing. Now, in my view, public

schooling was always intended to be that. If you go back and read Horseman and John Dewey, they actually said that the purpose long term of the public schooling system would be the socialization of the child, not the education, so not learning to become a critical thinker, but actually shutting down critical thinking and turning you into a cog for the machine. And they actually say that that's

the when they come out and say that compliance is necessary. Yes, as you transition from childhood to adulthood, that's where compliance is critical, because what we don't want is a bunch of adults running around saying I'm not taking this shot and I'm not supporting Ukraine exactly. Yeah, you can't have critical thinking. And so they had to figure out all the various techniques to shut that down. I just did the fourth Hour Ballox couple fridays back, and I

was handing Jones for people that don't know. Yeah, I was honing in on that section in Bertrand Russell's classic text, Impact of Science on Society, where he says that in the dystopia, we will be able to tell the public that snow is black, two plus two is five, and anybody who questions it or thinks otherwise will be considered a fringe weirdo. Yes, and he says that will be the strength and power of our social engineering. It will be so effective by that point that we'll be able to do that,

And that's where we are. People can say, well, you call it. I'm a woman. I'm a woman right now. Right. Scientism is just that you combine that scientism with elitism. And if you train people to just believe experts and believe scientists, it doesn't matter what they say because they're already trained. Look there's Obama. He's wearing a lab coat doing an Obamacare commercial. He's he must be medically knowledgeable. I don't know what John's saying, but look, my wife, my wife, why my Mike, Mike's

Mike's a budiful one. Okay, go on, Ken, those be fair and so Ken, I think you nailed it right there, because Obama is a great example of that gas lighting. I mean, there was a there was a situation where you had people remember a few years ago, Rachel Dolizal was saying that she was black, Yes, the white freckled girl with the red hair, and everybody sort of made a big fuss about this, How dare you try to say that you're But then men can say that they're women.

Women can say that they're men. And don't forget about Rachel. She actually was in charge of a regional n double a CP. Yeah facility. Yeah, that's the other thing. That's what And that's the weird thing is that so you can't use your basic critical thinking skills for these kinds of things. And I think even Bertrand Russell or Huxley they would have been surprised at the ability to say, well, men are women and women are men, right, I mean I think that would have even they would have thought,

was surely not that far. I would say that if you do go back, if you were to go back, and I know you'd love to go back and meet some of these authors, and if you said that, they would think we're crazy. But we've been in a state of that for like twenty years. For twenty years. Like I often talk about my late grandfather who fought the Japanese in the Pacific wattlecanaw, et cetera. And I often think, I said, he's not spinning in his great grave. He's like,

he can't he can't even yeah, he can't even grasp. Like first it was open borders, Yeah, different restrooms, just the whole concept of our military engaging in a mission with no AMMO. You could be at the order. The guns are kind of scary, but don't know none in the chamber, none of the gun Like being overrun. Watching that was heartbreaking last week at al Paso, watching the National Guard with all their kit except what

they needed, just being overrun by the invaders. And if we said this to somebody twenty or thirty years ago, they would have been that's not gonna happen. So the fact that the fact that a Supreme Court justice says, I'm not a biologist. I can't tell you what a woman is. We're so far beyond I mean we have gone beyond your book were no exactly. We already believe everything we see in the movies. The commercial people still believe

Joe Biden. Yeah, it's gotten way crazier than you know what. So a lot of those essays I was writing in the two thousands, in the twenty tens, and they are already dated now because we're into the dystopia. I mean, the dystopia has rolled out the koof, as I call it. That was actually a big phase of the rolling out of the dystopia, I think. I mean, obviously this is a sort of a slow kill Fabian socialist model where they roll it out really slow, but sometimes they'll roll

out a big thing that kind of speeds it up. And you know, of course gay marriage was a big part of this, the push for that. And then I know, for me in my mind, when Bruce Jenner was Woman of the Year and I think twenty sixteen, for me, that was like a huge It seems like things got even crazier after that because then all the trend stuff exploded. They needed that seminal event of a major media

outlet proclaiming a man as the woman of the Year. I mean that for me, was like full on, Okay, we flipped into we can tell them to plus who's five now that we'll leave it. Oh yeah, because you've taken. You've taken, like you illustrated so great in your first book about when you compare Huxley and George Orwell, when when you look at Orwell's kind of like, it's gonna be dystopian. It's gonna be dark. There's gonna be like flat painted armor vehicles coming in the night and grabbing you.

And then Huxley brave new world is there's gonna be ai, there's gonna be messaging everywhere, and you'll just willingly do it. You'll willingly. So what I think is happening to the world is they combine the two so we have the worst of both worlds. So if if Jay and Ken don't willingly say that man's a woman, will just put him in prison if he doesn't. Yeah, that's a great point because but you know, nineteen eighty four has the hard, strong handed, heavy, you know, it's supposed to be

kind of stalinist. Oh yeah, it's dark and gray in prison and yeah, and everybody's smoking like you know, generic Victory cigarettes and Victory gin there's only one brand and it's really shitty. Uh So you can I interrupt for a second. Do you do you follow Greg Greece? Yeah? Yeah, you know he's in Moscow now right? You knew that? Right? He messages me about being going to Rush. I didn't know. No, he knew to Moscow. I didn't know. I didn't know that. Yeah,

he's been there for two months and he's doing his podcast and everything. Oh, he lives in my He just meant he was visiting. I don't know. You know, I thought I thought the same thing. Okay, Yeah, And for people who don't know, Greg is one of the journalists and posts on Alex Jones and Jay is on Alex Jones and a lot of people have a love hate relationship with Alex Jones. But then a lot of people have a love hate relationship with the truth. It's kind of like, I'm

really uncomfortable with this guy or I'm uncomfortable with that human trafficking truth. So I'm just gonna block it out. Well, whatever, unbelievable, folks we have, We have stacks and stacks of news unbelievable. Yeah, so you know the funny thing about that frogs are gay I've listen and Alex since two thousand and three. He was a big part of, you know, getting me interested in a lot a lot of these uh you know, more esoteric

topics and related relationships. Ask you and I. I remember the first thing I saw from Alex in two thousand and three was a clip of him talking about how the CIA and OSS recruited out of skull and Bones, and I was like, Yes, what's the skull and bones things I got to see? I went read Sutton's book on skull and Bones and that was a big, you know, key turning point. So I've always been an Alex fan for many, many years. And what's funny about the way media works.

You probably know this, you're a veteran of media, but like, you can get ninety five percent of things right, yep, be spot on with all of your calls, and then if you get one thing wrong, that's forever gonna supposedly try They're going to use that to try to destroy it. So you get one one thing wrong, get one detail wrong, you're the worst person in the world, even though you've called ninety five percent of things

you know spot on. So and he's very well researched. I mean, that guy's gonna read a haulic and you know and again that this is gonna I'm sure some people are being triggered. So if you're a middle aged, white woke man and you're being true, just hug yourself. Hug yourself. Or if you can find about a biological woman that wants to hug you in your triggered state, but or just say you're a woman for a minute and

then hugg exactly exactly. Just date yourself if you happy to hear yourself for a minute, to calm down, because for example, I remember hearing all the people trashing Alex's book, and I think, of all the books he's written, this is his best. It is you could take this book. We mentioned this before the show for people watching. You could take that book. And I bought that book the day it came out, and I read it and I reviewed it, and so many people have read it and like

had their kids read it. Because if you take Alex Jones off the cover, it's just it's written like a great history orian's book and with there's no hype, there's no and it's all factual. Do you think Alex Jones is gonna risk writing a book at this point in his career where anything is wrong in it, you think it's gonna risk thirty eight billion more dollars. That's the funniest thing. The people that have been labeled as extremist or podcasters or

all journalist like we would be citizen journalist. Altern We go to greater lengths because I don't have an NBC News announcer exactly behind me, don't. I don't have marketing, incredible and digital stuff. If if I'm a liar, I'm done. Yeah, someone just does. This guy's a liar. I'm not paying for him. He's an idiot. I'm not reading that book. But if you're telling the truth, you're gonna keep getting out there. But it's truly, it's truly a battle. Yeah, we have a higher standard,

and we saw that. We you know, put ourselves under a higher stand because we're competing against that. That's actually our strongest weapon. Right. The whole system is based around and cocting and maintaining completely flimsy narratives, so they have a lot more work to do. It takes all of that money, all of that deception, all of that mass media glitz and glam to prop up what are basically lies. So we have an advantage in that we don't even have to do all of that. We can just keep hearing at

the truth and that gets us much further than them. That's why, you know, the mainstream media is dying, the legacy media, you know, down they can't get viewership, and they just keep doubling down, and so it's really they're eventually gonna have to figure out that they're gonna have to cave to the truth some to even get any viewers at all. So I'm kind of surprised that they haven't brought on some you know, better pundits. But it's so it's so locked down, and they're so so it lies that they

just have to They always double down. They don't even they don't fudge at all. Yeah, the leftists in particular, they never they never know when to stop. So, like you say to them, look, you can't have a six foot four, sweaty guy with a junk hanging out in a skirt telling for you know, fourth graders at the library. This is not a thing. This is not a normal thing. It's if I did that at the park, I'd be in cuffs. You can't do you can't do

that. So rather than them saying, oh, maybe we maybe we over extended a little bit, we're out in front of our skis, let's pull back. No, no, screw you. Yeah, we don't want to buy into this. Will will destroy you. And it's like, wow, you guys are making a mistake, because what's happening now is most people believe twenty twenty was stolen because so much fact is coming out. Most people believe jan six falls flag. Absolutely no. The whole world knows that the the

Whitmer kidnapping thing was now stage. So it's like you guys were so busy trying to say penis equals vagina, penis equals vagina that all the other stuff you do on a regular basis, like steal votes, rig the stock market, sink the dollar. You know. Now we're like, this seems very normal. Now. I think you are doing this stuff because you keep saying that my daughter should compete against the boy because he's wearing a girl swimsuit.

Now I'm starting to believe and I think I think that's why people are flocking to Trump now. I mean Trump is the most diverse base ever. Yeah, it's crazy. And I think you nailed it there because I noticed even in a lot of people I know with family members that were still kind of hanging on to elements of the system. Once they went after everybody's kids and once the kof happened in the lockdowns, that woke up a lot of people, right, I mean a lot of people were like, wait a minute,

they actually want to chop off junk of my kids. They're like that, it's that crazy. And hey, maybe those conspiracy theorists were right, you know what I mean. Like I put a meme. I put them a meme yesterday and it was basically just a list of like fifteen things that the journalists were saying versus what the conspiracy There's everything that the conspiracy theorists were saying was absolutely spot on. So yeah, I think anybody has a memory

too that's not restricted the last two weeks. I remember, and I was never a Democrat, but I remember back in the two thousands, even in the nineties and the two thousands, it was a Democrat talking point to have a border. Yes, they were all about this, always talking about it. I remember clips of Bill Clint We've got to have that border. Yeah, we got shut. We got to close that border, and that was because of they pandering, I mean, oh yeah, claiming to care about

the workers. They didn't want the you know, wages to be driven down. They don't want to have a damage to their working class base. It's bizarre that now that's flipped to yeah, you've got Biden up there. You know, there's no problem with the border. Uh, it's just open. It's I mean this to me, this is crazy and it's actually obvious, like this is a strategy to actually destroy the country. Oh yeah, well no it's yeah, it is. It's an invasion, it's being that's what

it is by definition. People think they still and a lot of the Conservatives are still stuck in this mindset of well, it's incompetence, the government's run. No, it's not in confidence. It makes perfect sense if this is a strategy. Okay, that makes more. That's a better explanation, has explanatory power, whereas everything being just total government and competence, that's not that to me, that doesn't make sense. But I I think that's the hardest

narrative two process or the hardest truth. And well, I want to ask you dig deeper into some of this truth stuff. But to me, the

hardest truth is most of what happens is intentional. It's not coincidence. And when something horrible happens, chances are there were people on the inside helping it to happen, whether it's the fentanyl coming over the border because so many people are getting the cut of that, or the child trafficking, which again, what did the what did the blow hard GOP establishment tell us at the beginning of the year, We're gonna we're going to expose the January sixth tapes.

No you're not. You have it. We're gonna let we're gonna find out, We're gonna show you who was on the Epstein list. No, you have it. We're gonna make sure we never have another stolen election. No, this one's gonna be the worst because you're now making it illegal to call out people that steal the election. So it's to me it's the hardest thing when you mentioned because people are so programmed to say, oh, you're not one of those, You're not one of those Alex Jones. You're not.

Oh Ken, I thought I thought better of you. Are you a conspiracy theorist? You really think that big pharma wants to put a needle in every arm and make a seventy eight billion dollar profit. Yes, I do. Yeah. You know, so many of the things that people were saying back in the eighties and nineties that were very small in number, John Birch society type people, they were really way ahead of their time. I don't think

they got everything right. They got some things wrong, but the overall ideas of what they were saying back in the day they were born out vindicated. You know, what Alex started saying in the nineties and the two thousands has been born out vindicated, and everybody was always the essence of what was being said was that there is a shadow national security state, secret government. It's kind of in the open. It's not secret in the sense of like nobody

knows who's running this. No, we know who the you know CFR is, we know who the Trial Latoral Commission is, right, but they're not publicly the ones like telling everybody on the news what we're going to do as foreign policy. They're telling the politicians what to do, and the politicians then play this game. And so you know, I don't know if you saw that New York Times thing, the other day, which is completely ridiculous.

Their video explaining what the deep state is. Oh, this is so funny, right, the TeleVideo is like, there is a deep state, and actually it's pretty awesome. And then they go and they explain the deep state, and it's like a trecky nerd, right, this boomer who's a trucky nerd. It's like space Force. And then there's this other woman who's a bureaucrat who's like going after I don't know, the tap water to fix the tap water. And she does pilates and so it's like, oh, look,

it's just farmless bureaucrats. It's fat office women. That's the that's the deep state. No, the deep state is always everybody's been saying since Peter Dale Scott coined that term, that it's a national security breakaway shadow government. That's the deep state, not fat bureaucrats in offices, and it's not people that run that run the local grocery stores, people that can send a team

to your home to arrest you, Roger Stone or whatever. The deep The deep state is smart, powerful elite people that know as long as they control the storyline, they're going to get more power, more wealth. Yeah, and that crosses you know. I always say the one time that Democrats and Republicans get along is when their power or wealth is threatened. Then their buddies. Then they're bipartisan. They're living their elbow bumping tim you know, Mike

Pence is a great example of that. Yeah, I got a great I got a good I just came across this book looking at We were talking earlier about footnotes, and I found a great footnote of this really obscure former British intelligence guy wrote a book. His name is James Rushbridger. It's called The Intelligence Game. Oh nice, it's a great book. What he says in here is he says, look, I was, you know, working in British Secret Service for many years. He wrote this, I think in nineteen

eighty nine. So this is prior to you know, a lot of events, you know, the Big Nine events, so forth. Well that's more of Russia, right before the Soviet Union collapsed exactly. He says. This is something that's been so born out and I've heard a lot of really perceptive analysts say this. Patrick Henningson has said this, Alex has said this.

He says in the first chapter he says, if you want to understand the intelligence game, he says, a lot of the major intelligence failures are actually the biggest successes for the intelligence agencies, he says, because all that does is allow the deep state to say, oh, sorry, we messed up. We oops, we let you know the towers come down, let's get get a few more billion in funding, and we'll do much better next time. And also let us surveil everything. So he was calling that out in

the nineteen eighties. And by the way, I think the story is, I don't know this is the case, but he wrote a book about Pearl Harbor being a false flag, and mister Rushbridger wasn't alive much longer after that, So well, that doesn't surprise me at all. We just had that Boeing whistleblower. And that's the other part of you can always tell Jay who reads history and who does her research, because when you say something like you just said, I wasn't like, oh, come on, they don't kill

authors. They're not going to keep they're not going to keep wiki leaks. Dude, Julian Assange locked up for ten years until if they're whistle blowers, that's a little that's a that's a higher tier. Right, Oh yeah they're dead then yeah, me or you we're just kind of goofballs on the internet. We're talking, you know, we're on the media, we're pundits. But if you're a person who's a whistleblower, that's a lot more. You

know, well, if you start moving the needle. Because I look at like Cheryl Atkinson, she really loved the Neil at CBS with Fast and Furious, and the Obama administration reached out as they always did and said you better stought that and they do it and then and they were going to frame her husband with porn online porn. She said that in front of Congress. You look at Catherine Herridge, most just recently fired from CBS, right, she

was at Fox. She went to CBS and then they took all her stuff on Jay six and then they gave it back to her five days later. So when you the minute, the closer you get to the truth, I think that's where you become a target. And I have one of my shirts says tell the truth, become a target. It has a big like scope target on it, and that's the truth. It is when you if once you start someone picks it up and goes, holy crap, how does this guy finding this stuff out? Where is he learning this? You know,

is he going to be a problem? Is this? Is this Boeing whistleblower. By the way, the CEO Boeing resigned yesterday. Did you see that? No it didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's something about the doors just being sucked off the aircraft in flight that really gives Boeing, you know, Unfortunately the whistleblower being dead. Yeah, the whistleblower being dead a few days later. I mean, that would have been a dream story for them if he actually got sucked out of the plane, but he

didn't. Yeah, it's just it's so weird to be you know, ironically, going back to the beginning of the conversation, now, I feel like we do live in a movie, you know what I mean. It's like we're in this weird dystopian story. It is The Truman Show. It's like an art house film. We live in this weird art house film. It's

a dystopia and like, yes, you know there's this yeah craziness. There's a book called The Wanting Seed. You know Burgess who wrote Clarckord Orange she wrote another dystopia that few people know about called Wanting Seed, and in that dystopia, kid you not everybody. It's a mandatory gay dystopia, so everyone has to be gay in the future. He's probably playing on the fact that in Brave New World Huxley had everybody have you have to have mandatory intimacy.

So if if there are people coming up to you and say, ken, I'm in the mood today, I want intimacy, you must oblige. In the Brave New World a topia, So I'm guessing that perfect world for the Biden family. Though exactly right, you think about it, so, I mean, people think about ewetch shut and it's like, what if the whole society is a giant? Iwead shut, But you have to have intimacy with

everybody. Oh wow. Other things too that were that I didn't notice until recently reviewing Brave New World is that there's also a pedo element to Brave New World that I that I had missed the first time I read it many years ago. The world Socialists controller Mustapha mind. He's pictured at the end of chapter two or three as a kind of a christ like figure, where he says let the even sites, let the children come unto me from the Gospels.

But the context is that he's talking about the playtime that they have, the intimacy that they have. Wow. Yeah, So Hawksley was actually saying, you're not just going to have a sexual revolution type of future, which by the way, he wrote that thirty years but for the sixties, which is amazing. I mean, when you think about his intellect, I mean, go ahead. I mean that's why he's also saying it's going to be

a sexually like everything goes no boundaries, exactly none. And that's the other thing when you when you read some of this CIA documentation and stuff, and there's so much stuff out there written by FBI people and CIA people and people that were mk ultrade, and there's so much cross referencing available. That's the thing that drives me crazy. It's not like there's one it's a one off. There's just like one book that Jay wrote, and you know, Alex

wrote a book, and Huxley wrote a book. One book. That's it. That's all you have to go on. Ken No, I've got thirteen books on COVID nineteen. I started getting the books and doing the research in the spring of twenty twenty, I started building this library of the audio and the documentation of all these doctors that have now come out repeatedly, including the latest documentary, which is Brilliant, which is free, it's on Vimeo. But and and it's not a one off, like like I forget the guy's

name that the Satanist who he used to work at the presidio. He was an ENTA, thank you. See, I know you would know that, But I mean, he's not one off. There's a whole bunch of Satanists in the military today, and we facilitate them the same way we facilitate you know, the the lieutenant or whatever his rank is in the Air Force, that's a that's a guy in drag and he goes around and he gives speeches about how we need to be more sensitive as a as a military. Yeah.

I was thinking about that. Like back in the Cold War, if you think about the Cambridge aspiring, they were all compromised and blackmail because they were gay, right yep. And I was thinking like, well, I guess the one advantage of all of the military establishment, you know, brass being trands, is that they can't be blackmail like you know, they're totally degenerate. I mean, you get blackmails somebody, they're totally degenerated, right,

So that's the only advantage of that. But now I think it's crazy. It's intended in my view, it's an intended demoralization to have those kinds of things going on. Right, So when we look at you know, our supposed leaders and their complete buffoons like you know, Biden or these military brass and so forth, being wearing you know, costumes, I mean, it's just a demoralizing thing. So it's a to me, it's a sy

op. And you were mentioning earlier various programs in cult is a classic m Culture is the ultimate, like you know, studying the inner world to master the mind, I think, for the purpose of mass formation, psychosist type stuff, to apply it to the to the collective. But you can actually read them in culture. Doctor's books are still out there people. Yeah, but doctor Jose Dolgado's Physical Control of the Mind. You can still buy that

book on Amazon. You can buy the writings of doctor John C. Lilly, the freak who had a crush on dolphins and would put you know, the LSD and the dolphins food. He would put chips in the dolphins' brains. I mean, guys mad science basically. But he's well known. And it's interesting because what you bring up now is what so many of these puppets protests. They're going to show up and say, you know, don't don't kill the beef. We shouldn't be eating beef. Don't kill the beef,

don't kill it. And they're working for the people who are like basically you know, taking chips in the dolphins brains or or you know, uh, they would bring over in Operation paper Clip. They brought over all these Nazis And what did the Americans say, Well, we're going to change your name and we'll put you up. Don't worry. But hey, how did you figure out how how you know, yes, jet pilots can drink salt water? Well, here's how, here's how we did it. Well, they

can't, but we kill a lot of people. We learned the hard way. But we did find this out that you can hang a guy upside down on the freezer and he'll last two and a half hours longer. How'd you find that out? Well, we had a bunch of people to experiment on. You want to see the results. Yeah, And no one even talks about that. They're busy saying you and I are misgendering somebody. And to

get to this point, so many people had to be tortured. I mean, I definitely want to have you on again mental note in the future, because there's so much to talk about, like the whole HIV thing, you know, the whole I did, all this stuff that had so much of the government's fingerprints on it. When you think about that, how poorly some of it worked out, and then you go back and realize they recycle the same people. Yeah, I watched a mini documentary on that the other day.

Who's the woman? Her name escapes me? But it wasn't actually Auci that was running all of this. Fauci perfect. Yes, doctor Bird, Her and Fauci come from the old Act. They were right in the middle of that. They were right in the middle. And you can find bootleg videos either on TikTok or rumble. You can find videos where people were confronting Fauci about the AIGE thing. Yes, there were parents showing up and saying

you killed my son. He didn't even need that. He could he could have went to South America or whatever and gotten whatever that day's Ivermectin was right, because what did they do when people said, oh, I think I know what's happening here, whether they were in the Congo or South America, I think I know what's happening. We can treat this with this and this, And it was the government that said, no, you need to take what was the age thing, a z T or you need to take this,

just like you need to take remdes. That's the protocol, and that's the only way we're going to get rich. You need to be ventilated. I don't need to be ventilated and I breathing. Fine, No you're not, Yeah exactly, you know, yeah, that that's even though Fauci is not quote mk Ultra, it's basically the same type of math science approach that the mk ulture doctors were engaged in, which, as you pointed out, it's a perfect mirror of what you see Mangola and these other you know,

Nazi scientists engaged in. They had a very eugenics based view, so they didn't see any problem with experimenting on humans, and so that same model is moved or accepted as well, as you pointed out with paper clip, where they didn't just want some of the the you know, bad guys to come over. They actually wanted access to their their findings, their research as well as a lot of people don't know this. You probably do, but this ties it into the Ukraine. A lot of people don't know that. When

the OSS took over Galen's network, Galen Worry, that's Righthard Galen. They wanted his whole spy network throughout Europe because he was a very capable spy handler, spy chief. So they gave him a deal. They said, we'll let you have some freedom, but we want all of your spy network and your trained cells and operatives. This is partly why there is still a pro Western funding and support for the Neo Nazis in the Ukraine. That goes back

to Galen's network. Now, didn't he train people in Canada as well? Yeah, that's what I thought. He trained. I don't know if he was on the super Soldier thing, but he trained people in like this really radical, unorthodox combat and today there's a lot of that. Ian Fleming was involved in some of that too, where they would train people it's called the ex Brigade or something like that, like the X twenty two or something.

Like that. So yeah, they were. They were experimenting because the British Coordination Office of Black Ops was working with the OPC, which was the OSS's Coordination of Black Ops. It's British intelligence set up the OSS. I mean they came over here, they told us how to do it, so they're all, yeah, we're all working together. So when they took over that network, they wanted to utilize all these different, you know, experiments that

the Nazis had engaged in. Absolutely. I mean that you look at the time limit and for people watching now you know why I'm a fan of Jay's but you also know why we love history so much because it's it's not only all connected, but you look at that period in America immediately after World War Two into the mid fifties, and you look at the transitional pieces of history

and how the chess board totally got upended. I mean the chess board in nineteen forty five, you know, after we after Germany surrenders, after I forget the Japanese leader's name, but after he surrendered all and then all of a sudden, the chessboard changes and the most unlikely partnership start, and the most horrific people are, and there were already some. But I tend to believe that early in our the development of our country, it wasn't as bad

until people got a taste of global power. And then when they started sitting down with this leader and that dictator and this terrorist, they thought, wow, I can control that whole continent. You mean I could. I could be a billionaire forever. Yeah. All you got to do is sell out your people. Yeah. And by the way, I remember too, the it was it's T Force that was the thirty Assault Unit. Was Ian Fleming's aid and it wasn't X Force. I was thinking of this stupid comic book,

but it was. It was T Force was his experimental special ops thing. But yeah, I think the dictators are interesting because when we read Sutton and Quigley, we find out that a lot of these dictators are actually propped up by the West. Yes, and they have funding and support from the West, and that was because the powerly saw an opening to have two world wars. According to Quiggley, that would exhaust and deplete the two rivals of

the of the Western power block. So by having those two roles, two world wars, and this explains if you read quickly in that middle theer's a middle chapter where he talks about the appeasement program and he talks about I think he says two billion dollars given I think with the Bank of England to Hitler secretly. So there's a sequel for people that don't know that we're talking about

yesterday. So there's a chapter called the Appeasement Plan, uh, and there's there's a there's a section where it talks about the two billion dollars given to Hitler when the British government was publicly opposing Hitler m hm, but the Bank of England secretly was still funding what he was doing and they were saying, hey, when you go into Poland, we won't oppose you. Go ahead. And that was horrific as as my ancestors are Polish and Hungarian, so

I was like, are you kidding me? And Tom Clancy kind of fulfilled that role of Ian Fleming in the next generation. That's a great point, the next iteration of in particular submarine technology, surveillance, space technology. I mean, look at look at the books, and many people think he was involved in, you know, consulting. Yeah, I think that's pretty well

born out. A lot of these these spy writers do have a not everybody obviously, but a lot of them have a background in some kind of intelligence and military intelligence work, and then they take those worries and put it into fiction. That goes back to Actually, this is kind of what I wrote my some of my grad work on was the history of British intelligence using fiction, originally perhaps as ways to just tell their stories, but also as ways

to do propaganda. So, yeah, you mentioned it went back as far as like the seventeen eighteen hundreds. In the case of Writz, you could find I mean, I don't know, I mean you could argue that maybe you know, you've got people like John Dee who are spies back under Elizabeth. You know, he's the first Double O seven doctor John d the Occultist. But yeah, I think in terms of British spy fiction, we see this with Joseph Conrad, we see this with Graham Green, where they're basically

kind of putting their stories into fiction. But I think what happens is that eventually it really becomes more useful as propaganda. So I'm not sure exactly what date it would be. I mean, there's no hard line as so here's the point where it becomes propaganda. But right, but that, But that's because at the same time as the British spy fiction writers were putting out their stories that you had AHG. Wells basically as kind of the Burnees. Before

Burns, he was writing fiction as propaganda, know England. So perhaps maybe Wells is the first version of this, and he's realizing as he works with things like Wellington House, which is the predecessor to Tavistock, he's realizing that fiction is a lot more effective for propaganda masses than the fact media is.

So that's why War of the World's everybody knows War of the worlds, but nobody knows H. G. Wells's two New World Order books, Right, he's got to right, Yeah, those will knock you right on your butt when you hear. When you hear the way HG. Wells thinks about you and about God and about Christianity and about freedom, you're going to be pissed. Yeah, he's a he's not a big fan. Yeah. He believes that the future technocratic government will be able to create a fake religion that's really

just a front for the technocratic establishment. So it'll be whatever kind of religion, you know, basically mixes all the world world's population into one belief, some kind of synchrotist New Age thing. Who knows, but that seems to be what he talks about, because he has a really obscure book called God the Invisible King, if you know about I think he wrote it in the early nineteen twenty eight, nineteen eighteen somewhere in there. But that's his thesis

on religion. And he says that you might think I'm an atheist because I'm such a committed Marxist, and he says I'm not. He says, I believe in a future Luciferian type of government in order, so he admits he's a Luciferian. He doesn't say that he believes in an actual entity, but he kind of sees it as a Promethean thing where man worships himself. So

perhaps he thinks of Prometheus as this symbolic figure or Lucifers. That's that whole, that's that whole of what is it God of John or God of whatever that Oprah was involved with, that guy John John of God. Yeah, I'm not dyslexic. I just had it back. But that Lucifer Satan. You know, a ball and all that. The focus is on you. Great you are. You don't need Jesus, you don't need a God. There's no one than you, and that whole self help kind of stick.

I think one of the reasons it appeals to dictators and as George Bush would say, evil doers harrised. I think it appeals to them because there's no moral code to it, so there is no well, you would never do that to a woman, you would never do that to a baby, you would never do that to hardworking people. Being worshiping Lucifer is the ultimate ends justify the means. Great point, it's everything Satan does is it doesn't matter if you have to cut someone's head off or or break this woman to get

her to comply. It justifies your greatness. You know, Here's what I think the key to that is, I learned this back when I was studying, you know, how statism works, when I was underground. I think that what this does is it's the worship of the self, worship of Lucifer. Ultimately, that is a relativistic subjectivist views. In other words, there's nothing that I'm bound by. Ultimately, I'm my own arbitr of everything.

And the reason that the state or the system really likes that. You might think, well, why would the state want me believing that I'm my own god? Because what that does is it puts you into a mode of being a slave to your passions. So what actually happens is that you're now a slave too based desires. The more that you feed into that self worship mode

of thinking, and that makes you perfectly pliable putty for the state. That's why the state always pushes these kinds of I mean, if you go back to that Roman empire, right, you can worship any gods you want, just as long as you acknowledge also Caesaro's God. So in the same way, statism wants you to worship yourself, and that ultimately means you're going to

be worshiping your base passions. But the state will guarantee your pleasure dome living as long as you then submit to the state in that so that you can be ruled by your passion. That's the key to it right there. And the irony is the people, the detractors of Christianity, and they attack Christianity. I was just thinking of so so many places in the Bible, it says to be a good steward of the earth, to be a good citizen, you know, pay your taxes, if your Roman, pay your taxes,

obey the laws, be a good citizen. And the exact opposite is socialism and communism. They're like, anything goes. Just do what we say when we say it, and then it's free for all. And I think that's why you can get I think that's why the left can recruit so many people because they feel if I'm not judged and I'm not hold to any standard. Yeah, I mean this this Obama guy, this Biden guy is awesome. He's a Catholic. It's pro abortion, pro gay marriage. That's like

the ultimate Catholic. Yeah, yeah, it's a great Yeah. I think they the the leftist mindset is ultimately totally ironically a contradiction. And you know, if you think about nineteen eighty four, it actually points this out where it talks about double think, because everything that the establishment is telling you is the direct opposite of what actually is the case. But people keep believing it because they think or they're controlled basically by this faith that they have in the

system. And so if you remember and the most important chapter is when O'Brien is having that debate about with Winston and he says, look, Winston, the point of what we're doing as the party is that you believe from your heart that the party makes reality. Because if you'll believe that, then I have you as you He says something that you're you're perfectly controlled or brainwashed.

He's like, you're perfect at that point, and he says, I don't want you to just say that two plus two equals five because you think that's what I want to hear. I want you to say it because you actually believe that the party can make two plus two be five. And so that is a submission to the fact that there's no truth higher than the state or the corp state, whatever. It's pure relativism. And so if they can get the individual to believe pure relativism, then they will believe that the state

can dictate the tuplus two is five. Well, you mentioned that at the very beginning. You brought up the version of two plus two equals five equals five. We're there now, yes, exactly, man Russell said version. Russell said that would be where we'd be. Yeah, and that is where we are now. So incorporating that into wrapping things up some predictions, if you will, What do you think about an election? Do you think it's going to happen, Do you think it's going to be fair, or do

you think Kaka hits the fan? Yeah, great question. I think we've got basically multiple options that you know, a a deck of cards. They could throw down, multiple options. They could throw down an economic crisis. They could throw down riots, race, riots, these kinds of things stirred up like we saw back at Ferguson. That could be a good type of

a strategy. We could have something to do with the border, the illegals, price, is there some kind of something that's that's kicked off with all of the people that have come in, Maybe they've been trained or told what to do in a certain situation. We could have, like you said, something with Russia that postpones the elections. Maybe these maybe events happen and oh we've got to postpone the election because you know so. I think all of

these are very real possibilities we could have. They might throw another curveball with COUVID Part two. I mean, nobody in twenty twenty was expecting COVID, right that came. We see in March. Oh, there's these videos of something weird happening in China. Haha, hope it never happens here. And then boom, we're in this total dystopia madness situation where nobody expected us and we saw Bill Gates, Tadros. They've been saying, get ready for COVID

too. Yeah, I know X they say. Tadros said at Davos, right or the other world governments. Something he said, COVID was disease X part one, and there will be disease X Part two. So nobody's really we keep forgetting about every time. I'm not saying you, but people in general. Every time was a big new event. We started thinking, oh that's the thing, right, So now that we've had the Russia attack, now, oh, world War three is going to be the thing that But

they like to throw these curve balls. So I'm spitballing here, but I still kind of think they might try to do, you know, some kind of disease X part two. They were really talking that up. I know that the cancer cancer is getting a lot of attention now because of Kate Middleton and King Charles and the spike in young cancer I just saw a big article on it. I did it on my show today. They're calling it turbo

cancer among young healthy people. Where is it coming from? But you're not allowed to say in the same segment these people have been vaccinated also, probably right, So it's crazy. Now I want to talk about this is out of left field. Your wife? Are you and her on the same page ideologically or does she think, oh my god, he's reading another book. Stop. No, she's got two books of her own along the same lines. In fact, that's how we met. Was on a podcast talking about

critiquing Hollywood. So she does a podcast as well on YouTube. So HER's her name is Jamie Henshaw. And the only reason she's not Jamie she has Jamie Dyer, but because she was already kind of doing Oh yeah, Brandon, get it, I get it. Yeah, yeah, we didn't. Yeah. So she's out there doing the same stuff too. You can get her books at my side as well. I don't think you're a woke compliant man, not at all. Do you have Do you have her books?

You want to plug while you're here. I don't have a copy. But if you go to my website, jays analysis dot com in the shop. You'll see her books there as well. Yeah, we're books. We're going to put that link on there, so I would I would strongly recommend your books obviously. And the beauty about this is who hasn't seen movies? Who doesn't like movies? I mean, really, when you think about some of the defining movies and the defining moments in our culture, like you said,

it's always been art, like ET's my wife's favorite movie. You love that movie, and and uh, but when you think about the the predicted programming and the narrowive, you know, the something that I played and uh, you may have done this as well. I played that scene in E T where I was I was trying to get across that the mask don't work with COVID, and I played turns into a powdered donut, and yeah, no, this was this was I'm sorry, I'm thinking Close Encounters of the Close

Encounters of the third kind. I'm thinking of the mass scene, Richard Dreyfus. Everybody's walking around. What's going on? I don't know, but it's terrible that there's bio release. Don't walk out of the circle. You can't come in here, sir, You can't come in here and then he goes, screw this. Yeah, it's like you know, and it's a lot. Yeah, and how I don't see how people didn't grasp What do you think if you had to? And this is another heavy question, but again

I want to have you back on. We could talk for hours, and I really want to have I hope you'll come back on. We could crack certain books, open yours, we can crack other books, and I'm sure just in the next twenty four hours Biden's going to do something crazy. I'll give us plenty to talk about. But what do you think is the biggest lie or misconception that the current population in this country needs to get beyond?

Like what's that lever where? Look, if you don't get beyond this and understand this is not real, you're never going to get to the next level, do you What do you think that is the biggest problem philosophically is what I said earlier, that people are many people are still trapped in a bubble of moral and epistemological relativism. They think that there's nothing true whatever floats your boat, that we're not bound, there's no boundary. I'm not bound by

anything. I can determine truth from reality. If you never get past that stage one out of coming out of that, you'll forever be a tool of the system. You'll be in double think forever. So that has to come, that has to happen first, and then manifestations of that are things like the idea that we can, you know, I can identify as a woman and be a woman, that the magical thinking that my mind just makes it real. I mean, that's the root of this. And actually some people

actually have talked about this. They've even said that if you go back into postmodernism and early gender theory studies, they were actually talking about magical thinking and the idea that the mind could determine reality and make it so. So I think we have to get away from that. That's the number one cheap delusion that people have, and that would then undercut all the rest of the delusions

because you have to have that fundamental delusion first. There's no truth before you can start to say, hey, wait a minute, maybe there's a truth higher than the state, the establishment system, the corporations. Maybe they're actually lying. Yeah, But to say that there's mass deception of mass lying presupposes that there is objective truth. So that's the thing that has to be hammered

home. And and that's well put, and it fits the biggies, like you look at the crisis, the climate crisis, which is a crisis. Carbon's not a threat, right, we need it. We do better in warm conditions. We're not unreasonably warm right now. The Earth has been a hell of a Humans are not destroying the planet by existing. And then yeah, that whole thing and that also, but again it goes back to what you said, that magical thinking that you know, Mother Earth, Earth isn't

my mother. I have a moment, right, you know, we need to commune with the trees. No, we can grown trees over and over and we can use the wood to build. We don't have to make love to the trees, although I'm sure there's people listening that maybe have, because I mean, all the earth worship stuff is. They tie that into the

latest push for veganism, for you're not gonna eat meat. You know, we've been talking about that on podcasts for many, many years, because I was seeing in the documents of the elites they were talking long long ago, decades ago, about how eventually they would have to ban meat because meat is so nutrient dense of a food. Yes, And so you know, this goes back to Plato's Republic where Plato says, don't feed the slaves meat, give them grains, keep them docile. Right, Meat's a huge meat.

Diet is a huge vector point that's overlooked by a lot of people. But even Bertrand Russell, Charles Golf and Darwin they're you know, in their writings on the Technocratic System, they talk about attacking the diet. Yeah, it's amazing that you brought that up. And then when you look at if you put next to that the government what they want to ban us from eating, but what we're allowed to continue to put in our body, like sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, yes, alcohol alcohol, alcohol, And then

what do the dens want to do. We want to legalize drugs. We don't want anybody thinking clearly, but we don't want you getting you know, meat. And the other thing, I one of my pet peeves is how easy it is to supply a population with water, you know, you especially if you're near the ocean. It you know, and no one does it. I mean, we're the we're the wealthiest, most advanced country, in the world supposedly, and we can't get enough water to people in California.

You live on the biggest supply of water on the earth. Just take the salt out of it. But no, they want to control it. They want to control the water, right, They want to control the food, just like in Africa. They don't want Africans and third world country and people trapped in famine. They don't want them having generators to pump water and diesel

trucks to bring their props to market. The people in charge would rather have the food rot and then they can have great fundraisers do things with the United Nations. So I'm starting a whole new show and we need to we need to wrap it up. Well, yeah, we can talk about food and control resources and oh yeah, intentional uh, you know, shortage and all that. That's that's a key elite strategy absolutely. So what do you have coming up that you want to share with people in addition to the you know

you're working on a third book. This is your second book, this is your first book. Your wife has two books. So yeah, I've got a I have a third book out called Essays on Theology and Philosophy. It's about a six hundred page book of all of the things that I wrote over the last ten years that are talking about movies, So everything non movie is in a new book that you can get from the from the shop as well. I'll work on us Esadar Hollywood three, so I got about a hundred

pages of that one written. Hopefully it's going to be better than even Part two. So I'm looking to to really get deeper into a lot of the intelligence connections that I didn't go into in one and two, and new things that I've read and learned about with the history of the OSS and Hollywood that I didn't cover in part one in part two. So that'll be in Part three probably in the next six months or year. Hopefully I can get it

done by then. We've been doing a lot of live events, so we're probably gonna have a live event in June again with Jamie Kennedy, the comedian from Scream, that will be in Vegas. I think we'll have it do that in June. Host host the Alex Jones Show every every Friday from three to four Eastern. Yeah, I wanted to ask you when you when you fill in for Alex. It's every Friday. I've been doing that for the last three years, so I have a lot of fun, enjoy that quite

a bit. And then I have a YouTube channel. What we do we do pretty much every two or three days. We do a new live stream podcast, interview today all kinds. So that's all my channel. Yeah, you can follow me on Twitter. I do. I put a lot of stuff there, following on Rock Finn put a lot of stuff there, So I'm all over all the social media's. If anybody wants to follow me, so pretty much you just search Jay Dyer, You're going to come up with

a lot of that stuff. And then your website is outstanding. I really enjoy your website too. Thank you dot com. Yeah, what's it called again? Jasanalysis dot com? Jasanalysis dot com. Well, thank you again for coming on, sir. This has been a real uh I love it. A great way to kick off the week. Yeah, that was a great conversation, Ken. I really appreciate it and definitely want to have you back on and absolutely stay in the fight because I think we got to get more truth out. Absolutely