Elite Dinner Invitation HORROR: Menu, Get Out, Fresh, The Invitation - Jay, Jamie, BLA

Very extra. Yo, yo, what's up? What's up y'all? Happy spooky season, Happy Spooktober. You know, we got a special treat tonight. We got Jane Jamie here, who invented Spootober. So we got four. We're gonna be going number four not really Halloween movies tonight, but you know they're spooky. One of them was almost unwatchable. It's horrific. Yeah, yeah, it was, it was. It was pretty terrifying. These

are these are more than horrifying Halloween horror hotel movies. So tonight, y'all, we're gonna be doing the Invitation, the menu, Cheese Burger, the menu, Fresh and get Out, and of course Jay and Jamie have Jay's talked about the invitation on the stream. I don't think you guys have done get Out, You've done you've done the menu and and Fresh. I don't think I don't think you've done Fresh. But this one is Jamie, I liked it. The other night. You called it flesh, which was which

was appropriate accident. So where you guys want to start? You want to start with the invitation. Yeah, so this movie, So this movie came out in twenty fifteen, and there's two movies Invitation, both are once a kind of a cheesy vampire, you know, Netflix movie. But this one is pretty good. This one came out in twenty fifteen, and it's got

the Walmart Tom Hardy in it, and he looks like Tom Hardy. Yeah, well yeah son, right, And and the the first thing off the bat with this movie is that, like there there are common themes and common things among the movies Tom Hardley Hardly that was that was too easy? Yeah, And it's the dude from that movie Upgrade, right, you covered Upgrades. And so the one of the things in this movie is that not to skip to flash, but that the like the static is kind of the same,

right. So it's it's like you get in Invitation to the Horror Hotel, right, which is this weird dinner party, and he got you know, he drives up and the same thing happens when he's going to the party as happens and get out, which is like he's driving there and he runs over an animal, right, So and so it sort of sets the theme

for the rest of the movie. And this one it's a coyote, right, and he has to put the coyote out of its misery, and then he shows up at the party right and immediately when he walks in, there's a group of like, it's very odd. It's a very odd feeling when he walks in, because like the Lana, the vampirical Lana del Rey woman walks down the stairs and she's got she's got like vampire teeth, but not

vampire teeth. And then there's a guy who kind of looks like him, a beardy guy who kind of looks like him, and they're but like if you've ever been to a dinner party and you walk in and they're like, greetings, it's so good to see you, and they hug you very I thought maybe you picked all of these because of the theme of food, but then I realized it out doesn't really have a food theme, but it still fits with the invitation to a weird, uh sort of party setting meal.

So I guess overalls, yeah, well, yeah, already horrific because it's his old home and the party has been thrown by his ex wife and he's bringing his new girlfriends, so that adds an extra. So you want to come to the cook dinner, You want to come to the cook We got fresh duck for cook. She's like, this ain't gonna be no cookout, right, and it's it's it's the same as get out because there's a you know, an obvious relationship that's different. And they walk in and and there

is like this sort of like who's the alpha of this house? A couple of times in this movie, right, he makes it clear like this was my home, and then the other guy's like, this is my home now, and I run things a little differently here, but it was because her parents were the one with the right and then yeah, and he flashes back to the having a son, so he's traumatized by the loss of the sun and now he's having to deal with his you know acts basically being there with

some new dude. Yeah. So so the setup for people who haven't seen this, because probably people have seen this the least out of these formula or maybe maybe fresh, but this movie kind of I thought it was pretty revelatory.

I mean, it's it's crazy because when you walk in, you're obviously you're with the Tom Hardley guy because he's suspicious, like of the little things that you would be suspicious of when you go in the house, So you're kind of you know, you're looking at it from his perspective, like including when he goes in and the guy locks the door and then removes the key from the inside of the door, which is very odd, right, like why but but he actually he like questions him, He's like, why why

are you doing that? What are you doing And he's like, you know, well, we run things a little differently here. And then all the people show up. So so it's a guy goes to the house and he's meeting a group of friends like from his old life, and I got what we find out is that they're all drawn to this house and this party because it's weird because it's a birthday party, it's a dinner party, it's like a it's like a reunion, right, And then we find out that there's

a sales pitch. There's sort of a sales pitch, and they bring that up. So at what point when you guys are watching this there were you like, oh, this is this is a cult? I mean, he's well, I think I found this film around the time that it came out searching for movies about cults, so I was kind of spoiled by the way I searched for it. So I knew it was going to be about a cult, but I like, because I didn't really know what it was going to what kind of a cult? You know, are we going to get

like a a Jeffrey Badonka don't eating people cult? Are we going to get like a Heaven's Gate? And what we end up getting is a Heaven's Gate

meets scientology kind of blend here. So I like the way they played on like the you know, it's sort of like a new age Instagram guru man, but also kind of scientology, kind of Heaven's Gate ish, And I like how for a good while we don't know, even as things are getting a little more weird and they have these weird kind of views about death and death being an illusion, you still don't feel like they're a malicious, nefarious

cult. You think they're kind of benign. And so I love the build up in this film to where, by the time of the actual dinner party, that guy starts to realize the psychological doubt element was good too, because he's he's in a position where he's kind of off base and off kilter because it's an awkward situation being there with his new girlfriend at his old girlfriend or

his old wife's house. So he keeps feeling like he's the problem. And it's almost like the cult knew that he would be in this weak state by which he could then be recruited, being in this off kilter week, you know, self doubt state that he's in. But he keeps and he keeps doubting himself, but eventually he's like, no, wait a minute, this's just just got too weird. Yeah, no, go ahead, Jamie.

It's funny because they're acting CULTI the first time you meet him, I mean, she comes down the stairs in this flowy white dress and she's like hello, and her name is Eden, and they're the very lovey dovey and then you see this like weird naked girl down the hallway, right, Sadie, And it's like, is this a cold or is it just La? Because this is how people in LA act, Like this could be any normal dinner

party in Los Angeles, right. Yeah. When they walk in and the new husband or whatever goes up and hugs the girl, he has this look and he's like, what you know it was? It was an awkward It was too much for meeting her at this party, right. And then when he's standing there. I liked how like you said, like you don't know whether he's something's obviously wrong right with him, because he looks broken and you can tell from his you know, he's got this he's got this bushy look.

And they bring that up when he gets a lot of the things that you think when you're watching a movie that you want to comment on, they

actually bring up in the movie. And I thought that was pretty clever, And that's a way of like sort of misdirecting the audience to what you were just saying that, you know, oh, no, these are just normal things, right, Because they get there and one of the one of the you know, there's this there's a Skittles couple there and the guy goes up and he's like, oh, it's bushy beard, you know, uh, And we know so that we know that's not his life, and then we

get flashbacks to his life. But like the moment where I knew that it was wrong was Yeah. Number one. She comes down and she's dressed like like Lona del Ray, and she's got these weird her teeth are like she's got fangs, like more than a normal more than a normal human being, and she's very smiley, and then he's he turns and he's like, he's like and he looks and he sees Sadie Atkins in the other room with no

pants on, right, and she's not just the naked girl. She's like got a top on but no pants, and you're like what and his expression is like, this is there's something wrong here. And then when they go in the kitchen, right, and he's he's talking to his ex wife, and then there's the big there's the kind of tubby guy in there, and and then she slaps him right, which is kind of a we're getting initiated right into the ritual here. So she slaps him and she's like, that's

why no one ever takes you seriously because you think everything's a joke. And it's a very it's an audible slap, and he comments on that. He's like, that was an audible slap. That was that was hard. And then so then they you know, so they go in and they're talking and they're sitting around, right, and then we get more guests introduced, so they're not the last kid. There's already people there. But when I really

knew this was gonna go bad, was when mister Jingles shows up. Okay, who is John Carroll Lynch, the gigantic dude, the ball doughnut head dude who plays the bad guy in Zodiac. You know he at the end of Zodiac, Remember he's the guy they go. Jake Jollenhall walks in and

he's like, I think you're the Zodiac I think. Guy's like maybe, yeah, right, and he plays mister Jingles in that In that I just did an analysis of Final like The Final Girl, and I don't watch American Horror Story, but there's one season I watched because it's about Richard Ramirez and that guy plays the serial killer mister Jingles, so I knew when he showed up. And even when he shows up, the guy, the main guy is like, what, who the fuck is this? I mean, here's

this guy, what are you doing? And he hardly talks, so so then you know they're sitting around talking I guess, and then they they are drinking why we see some flashbacks to his former life. We know that he had a son and they had a life together, and then they start talking about like trauma, right, and it's then it's like the sales pitch and yeah, That's what I'm saying that Colt waits until you're in a weak space

from trauma to seize upon you. Every room in the house is a trigger for him, and he has the flashbacks, the PTSD flashbacks, and so it's already a haunted house for this guy, it is. That's a good point, Yeah, including including like false doors. Right, there was a there's a door that's been removed. Now it's a wall he has. He has he has the image of like, uh, there's this you know, it's a husband and wife and a bath together, right, And it's a

kind of a weird scene because then like the sun comes in. But then he comments on he's like, okay, that's the moment when the sun walked in and the their mom and dad were being freaky. That's going to traumatize him, you know. And it's a so his former life was like fun and and he had birthday parties and all this stuff, and then we see that his son has died of some accident, like at a birthday party. There's a he got pinotted or something, and it's it's it's terrible, but

time has passed. And then when they're at this little when they're sitting around and they say, oh, is this a salespit. You guys are in a cult. And the cult they bring up was the one you guys talked to about in the Americans. I think it was in the Americans. Remember he goes to the s E is it E S T? The E s T. It was a thing in the eighties, the Earhart Werner earts st Yeah s to s that's right. Yeah. So they they even bring that up. They're like, is this asked? What is this? And they

say, oh, there's this thing and it's called The Invitation. That's the name of the movie. And so The Invitation is a thing that we now know is popular, like in LA and they're like, oh, there's a lot of people that are members, and you guys wouldn't even realize how many people are members, which is foreshadowing for the future, right. And I guess that's when mister Jingles stands up and says, I had a wife. He made abstract modern art that was electric and I knew I loved her.

And it's very weird because he you know, I guess you don't expect him to be so like sensitive. But then they do the thing that that we're going to see in get Out, which is they show an old, grainy video mm hmm and they what did you what did you think of the video that I liked it? I mean it was like cheesy, but also it seemed kind of authentic, like the type of thing that you would watch if you were being introduced to you know, some kind of Uh is this like

multi tiered marketing or is this a cult? What? Well did you catch that it all started in Mexico? I don't know. Yeah, so a lot, yeah, a lot of people go down to South America and Mexico for enlightenment in ayahuasca and payots, yeah, to have your mushrooms or like whatever, trip and come back. Yeah right. Yeah. So so they're down in the valley in Mexico having these weird, you know, pervert ceremonies. Wa Tristan is up on the mountain watching them. He's watching like a

perth. Yeah yeah. So and the thing they bring up about Mexico is like they go, so the guy, the one guy, says, so what really happens in Mexico? You know? And they're like, oh, anything you want, you know, you can have anything you want. And they they the one girl kisses, So we've had a it's like it's a it's an initiation, right. So there's a slap and then there's a kiss. So the girl kisses the other girl and she's like, oh, I think I like that. Now we can be free to do whatever we want.

And then somebody busts out some cocaine at one point and the girl says, bust it out. And then we see the cult guy who's a you know, kind of average looking guy, but he's got Marshall apple white eyes and he's in a circle like in trees. Yeah, and then he says he gets he gives all the terms, right. He's like, they say, uh, well, it's it's much more grounded than est but it's also spiritual. Yeah, right, and uh then what happens? Oh oh,

then we see the video of the death. They show a video of a woman and they're like at her bedside, and that's very that's very bizarre because when you're watching it, you can't really tell is this woman dying or is they are they just like sitting beside or did did they did they euthanize? Was there like a willful choice? You don't really know? And if I Remember it doesn't he say that death is an illusion? Isn't that part of

the Yeah, say pain is optional? Pain is optional? Or And this reminds me of like a lot of these New Age gurus actually say this. People don't know this, but we did a stream about til Swan and she's had a lot of controversy because she actually says, oh, this was an illusion. If you unlive yourself, you're just entering into a new state of beni and coming back right. So she kind of actually teaches us. A lot of the other gurus teach it too, So it's fitting because it's a

popular guru idea. Didn't that guy John of God go to Mexico and South America a lot? I don't know about Mexico, but he was in I think Peru and he was convicted recently for trafficking and I think they gave him like one hundred years in jail. Yeah. They they also bring up science. Remember when they're in the kitchen, she says, Oh, it's very scientific because you know your pain is just neurons, and you choose where to

channel your pain. And it becomes when the dinner plays into this later because I started to thinking, is this like an eat is this going to mean to eat the pain? You know? Guy ceremony? Where what's what's gonna happen here? And the pain thing plays the first it's an emotional pain, right, and it's a mental pain, and then it's a physical pain. But it's pain less because we watch the woman pass away, and when you're

watching again, you can't really tell if they're euthanizing her. She's if they're what they're doing. But it's weird because the the apple white guy like she's dying and he like looks up like while she's dying, and he's like, can't you see it's painless? Look now she's gone away and she's in all of us. And when they end the video, the the like people have

a they're they're normal. They're normal people at least at this thing. Not everybody is in this call because one of the girls is like, what the fuck? What was that? Why would you show that? And then the Tom Hardley guy says, you know you think that's a good idea to show that at a dinner party. I'm just questioning that, what's the what's the what's the deal here? And the main guy, the the who's like a

tech tech guru, you know guy or whatever. The new replacement bearded guy is like, well, you know, you can choose to take this seriously or whatever. So now they're full on, like in the pitch, and we know that mister Jingles is going to be the enforcer of this thing because he's the big guy that shows up, and because then the woman who was trying to have a conversation with him on the stairs says, you know what, I'm gonna go and when you what did you guys when I was watching

that. I just rewatched it this afternoon. When I rewatched it, I thought, good for you, get out, get get out, whatever it takes to get out and get out. But are they gonna let her go? And the movie did a really clever job of of last minute things where is she going to get away? Because they try, oh, why don't you stay? You stay a little longer than Finally dude's like, just you know, just let her go or whatever, and then they unlock the door.

She walks out, and then of course the enforcer stands up and says, hmm, I'm going to walk her to her car, And you're like, no, no, don't, don't let mister Jingles, walk you to your prius. It's about and and so he walks out. He's very you know, oh, and he backs up and the guys stand there watching through the window, right, and then we're like, okay, she got away. But at the last minute he's like, oh, Linda, hold on,

I forgot and then he gets taken away from the window. So I thought, this is the moment where he kills her in the car, right, He's not gonna let her get away, and then he comes back in like nothing happened. But they're all it's it's this thing of like, you know, it's it's like total gas it's it's it's actual gas lighting at the place. They're they're playing on your your fears. They're you know, subverting

your your expectations. She had bars put on all the windows so you can't get out, So like there's the added layer of like claustrophobia or yeah, you're gonna have to You're gonna be forced to make a decision tonight whether you accept the pitch or whether you try to fight. Right that, we're getting more and more intimations that it's about to be Odane brawl up in here, right, which is which is what happens in the next movie. We're gonna

cover Oh everyone's here. It's gonna die tonight. Right, So but what's the reason she gives for the bars. She's like, you know, oh this is oh yeah, they say. He says, oh, no, we had We're in Laurel Canyon and uh, you know, we had some dangerous psychopaths break in here last week and uh, you know, into a house around here and you know, kill a bunch of people at Clo Drive. It was very weird. And then the other guy's like, oh, he's lying, right, so it's made up. But like you said,

it's it's cluster pho. And the aesthetic of this place is the exact same as in Fresh, where it's like muted and flesh colored, you know, red and yellow. I'm sure I turned the fan on. It's hot in here. Yeah, yeah, it's getting steamy. He's getting steamy this dinner. So so then they I guess, go ahead, Jamie, I just

said it's too hot in the kitchen, stoke. So so then they go up and then they have dinner, and we get the food scene, right, and and before that he had gone snooping through the rooms, and he went straight to the drawer where he knew the pills would be right, and he found the pills, and then he showed him to the doctor and he's like, what are these pills? You know? And the guy's like, oh, you've been rifling through the drawers, you know. Oh, it's

don't worry, it's Phoeni barbital. It's nothing right, right, So I guess the turning point the Volta that is when he sees them drinking the wine and he slaps the wine out of their hands and he's like, don't drink the wine. So now he's broken character, right, he's full on going to ruin the dinner. And and then we see I guess what happened. One of the women like odd at the table, did you notice it was

roth childline? Yeah, yeah yeah. And it's also so that they're putting the they poison somebody, right, that's why he Yeah, that's what I thought, yeah right, yeah, so so yes, yes, they were like, oh it's it's it's our child wine. You know, it only costs thirty three million dollars a bottle, which again happens in in the menu, not with our Child wine, but with a different one. You know,

it's a vintage. It's the only row of grapes, so they have exclusive access to all the epicurean things at the dinner and yeah, and then he breaks character and then and then even even at that point, they're like, it's fine, it's fine. And then that's when Sadie goes nuts and loses. She, by the way, has like intense crazy eyes, Sadie

character, you're ruining everything, right, and goes in closet. I do think that Sadie was she was brought back from Mexico to be with the couple from the calt and be like a throuple, right, Yeah, I suppose so, Yeah, that's how they were acting. She was very huggy and well she she confronts him at the pool outside. Remember, She's like, you can kiss me if you want, and he's like no, and she's

like, oh you can. You can do creep creepy things to me and he's like get off right nos, Like no, I want you to love bombing and sex bombing exactly. Yeah. I knew a couple guys who went to go be and the it's called the Twelve Tribes. I think some weird called in California because they were promised pretty girls, and the pretty girls kept inviting them. They're like, yeah, this girl's gonna be my girlfriend. The didn't get it from them. Again, maybe they did get it,

maybe they got pretty got the pretty girl. It's still a mystery. Was it in a redwood forest? The twelve tribes? You can you can become a tree man. They became trees, which is what they wanted. So so yeah, so they're at the dinner and she attacks him and then he you know, he's like step off, you know, he throws her and then she gets cracked on the heyad on the corner of the thing. And then the doctor starts resuscitating her, and then Zuckerborg or whatever comes in and

uh smokes him right, shoots the guy in the back. And then mister Jingles, who was very calm at this point, he's like, give me the gun, just give me the gun. And then they start stabbing people and then all all hell breaks loose, right, so then it becomes a real like clo drive. Another thing too, that is that except for get

out, uh you know, meals traditionally have a religious significance. Meals are always like in Biblical religion, meals are covenantal and so you're not just having a meal with friends or whoever it's it's the god or the deity is also a part of the meal. And so you know, meals are always seen as religious, and so that's why it's interesting that in this situation, you know, the invitation is not just to have food, it's actually to a

new covenantal meal where you're essentially going to be uniting yourself to uh. And so I think there's actually when they when they show the red wine, you know, it's actually an invitation like the Lord's Supper, right, a kind of covenantal blood meal. Again, that's all symbolic that it's not going to just be blood symbolically in the cop it's going to be blood spilled tonight. Yeah. And Satanism too, you would often offer or consume the god,

or you're eating the god to have life from the God. Well, the whole tribe would bring their offering to the idol and then they would give it to the priest. The priest and he would take it into the fetish or whatever, and then behind closed doors all the priests have there they eat the food basically on behalf of the God exactly. I'm trying to think how many characters there were where there where there's twelve or thirteen characters in the dinner?

Not sure? I think so. I think so. I wouldn't surprise me. He also, by the way, he went into one of his rooms, uh, and it was the room where he imagined, you know, his son was, and he sees this in the flashback. He sees his son playing with Dino bots, you know, in the room, and then he like lays down on the bed. He sees this vision of his son. And what gets inverted there is that like he he once he has this, he's reunited with his son in his memories, and he even smiles when

he thinks of it. Right, But what they want to do is go into the future to reunite with That's like their stated goal is, oh, we'll see you soon, right for those brief few electrical moments after you pass away into the star seed or whatever. But he goes, and he goes and there's a computer, and he opens up the computer and of course it's you know, Marshall Applewhite like giving directions to the guy, this is the night, this is the night you will transform, right, and he's like,

this is not good. Yeah, it's nineteen ninety seven, ninety eight, and it's a hailbop. They put on your nikes because tonight is the night. And so then he goes back in and then yeah, and then they start, you know, shooting and stabbing everybody, and then it becomes a get a run and hide, you know scenario, and to hide. And there's even like they have a cinema upstairs, right, little cinema room

they hide in there, So it's a meta you know. Mister Jingles walks up the stairs and he's like, he's holding his thirty eight, like this, where are they? And this was cool because he gets bopped over the head by the girlfriend and that's unusual, right in the movies, not unusual for her characters. She's gonna woop that ass. So she takes care of Jingles and then the one of the Skintles guys takes care of the other guy.

Right, he stabs him at the foot of the stairs. But the twist was great, right, I mean, it's not really a twist, but he walks out in the backyard. Oh. Another thing is that's common in all these movies. There's no cell phone reception right the menu fresh get None of those none of them had cell phone reception. So people listen, Look, we were talking about in half. In horror world, you might as well just forget it, because it doesn't matter whether it's Verizon or ATMP.

There's no service in a horror world. There are different markers that you can use to let you know if you're in a horror movie situation, and no reception is one of them. Greasy last Chance, gas station man, harboringer Boom is Yeah. I saw Jamie Kennedy's like he's doing a stand up thing at like a Halloween thing about how to survive in horror. So he's actually just doing a list of these things. And once you realize you're in a horror movie, you better not do any of the big no nos.

You better not to drugs, no se split out, no money, split out, no coward well split up, yeah, no splitting up. Like yeah, if you violate the seven Deadly sins, you're basically opening yourself up to the entities. But anyway, no entities in these movies, but there is the entity of the colt. Basically remember in Silver Bullet in the Craper King movie, Silver bullet with Gary Busey and it had the old coute right.

No, his children in the corn Yeah, they go on and there's an old you know, fixing a car and he's like, y'all need to get out of here. There's a lot of people. Listen to the guy find that we charged forward into Yeah, go into the cornfield. Last chance, gas, babe or in maximum overdrive. I think we got a situation here. Do we have any warning signs? There was no last chance in No, it wasn't the wasn't his black girlfriend. Wasn't she like that's kind

of weird or what is she was? She was she the one saying it's okay, it's okay, I can't remember, try and leave okay. So well she had the sense the red flags. Yeah, well, when you're going to the party with her and you run over a coyote, it's time to turn around. That was the first harbager that right, that was the psychopomp trying to tell you don't don't keep going right And she's like, we ran over Dan Dann squirrel on the way. We got to turn around,

and he's a coyote. Because the same thing happens to get out right, with the friend who is like, while you're going, he says, why are you going to why are you going to meet the white people? Parents? Don't go? Right and right, the same thing happens in Fresh Right, there's the there's the there's the black bartender, and he's like, you know, don't don't go there. So listen to the dude. Right, I guess that's the new replacement for the old coup. Right, maybe that's

the new archetype. Yeah, exactly, your suspicious black friend is the replacement. Yeah. Yeah. But also if you're going to go, bring them along because they're going to handle business, right and uh. But at the end of the movie, right, he goes out into the backyard and that was the place where the guy earlier had said, there's no reception, but try the backyard. That's the best. Don't go alone. But so he goes into the backyard and the guy was remember he took a little moment and

he hung up a little red lantern, which is very weird. I mean it's not even Halloween. And he hung up a little red lantern all by itself in the backyard. And then they go into the back and then they see red lanterns everywhere, all over Laurel Canyon, and they hear hellish screams and helicopters. So everybody, I guess in Laurel Canyon's like waiting for Hillbob, everyone in the cult. Yeah, so it's a great ending. So

yeah, it was more of an apocalyptic thing. You're you think everything's just confined to this you know, snazzy Laurel Canyon weird house, but no, it's actually the cult is everywhere. Well yeah, it reminded me of twenty twenty because the night that the things started in May and June, I mean I went outside and and there was a cloud of smoke. I was right.

I was in the city, right up from downtown on a hill and I went out on the back, on the back balcony, and there was a giant cloud of smoke that came over and I was like, what is this? And I heard helicopters and then I heard like hellish screaming, and I got on, I got on about this is this is twenty This was like early Jews, like May thirty first, twenty twenty when everything started burning.

Yeah, but it was the riots when the riots started. Oh okay, so in Richmond, you know what happened was I got I said, I thought, what's going on? So I got on Twitter and uh and a bus had been set on fire right down the street, and the smoke from the bus came over and that's where one of the riots started. Oh

and and I could and then that went on. That went on for a month straight, like helicopters flying, screams, you know, which is weird because the reflection of the flames down a hill, like you could see it in the smoke cloud above the home. So but anyway, it just I guess it it resonated because at the end of the film, they go out and they see red. They see red, so there's murder and they hear screaming and they hear they see a hillside and it's like, oh, the

world's burning in a different sense, but everything sort of changed. So so so that was the invitation. So we've been invited into the other into the horror hotel here where your destination is death. I guess, So what do you want to do next? The menu other way? Because now that we've been invited, now it's now it's time to go, because now we get another invitation. Now it's time for meal. It's time for the meal. Yeah, yeah, eating is religious? Do you mention that? Yeah?

I just mentioned that. And this is interesting because now we've got class warfare, uh, to a pretty heavy degree. This is my second time watching this film, and of course we did analysis with the SIB of Cinema guys and they had a lot of good insights over there, and then rewatching it, I was able to notice a lot more of the symbolism and the class warfare that I didn't notice the first time. I don't know what you thought about that, because you know what we you and I haven't talked about this

movie. What's your first thought on this? Well? I think that the the class warfare, yeah, is is it's a clear I mean he makes that clear as they go on. You're either you're you're either with the tourist or you're with us, right, And I mean he's a working girl and they make that clear of the movie work. She's part of a working class. Yeah, And he says, as one provider of experiences to another,

I recognize a working person. But it's also interesting because it's a it's a take on the subversion from within of the elite system, like they represent the different corners of the you know pyramid. Right, there's there's entertainment, there's finance, there's you know, uh, there's a literary quality, there's cultural, there's there's all these different sort of I guess archetypes within the movie of

these people, corporate conglomerates who own him. So he is the leader of this food cult, but he still has the boss and the people at the table work for his boss, yes, yes, who he's ready to kill about ready to kill yes? So yeah. So basically I thought it was funny because Ray Fine plays this sort of Gordon Ramsey that snapped, right, I mean, Gordon Ramsy is already kind of crazy, but you know, we got like the celebrity you know, Hell's kitchen psycho chef that basically snaps

and is now a psycho serial killer. Right. I mean, it's a good idea for a character, but it's a quasi cull. This is the other part that's odd to me was how did he get all of these other food service people to be willing to die for his uh, you know, fire in the minds of chef revolution that he has, right, it's fire in the minds of the of the serial killer. Chef. Right, Well, the other chefs are like, you know, cadets. Yeah, it's

it's a it's a boot camp, boot camp. They live in a barracks and the whole life is preparing food for they live in a barracks on an island. Yeah, this one, this one was my favorite of these men. Favorite. But I thought this one was the funniest of these movies because it was because Ray Fines is like, is a great character in this right, and it's it's so it's a satire in a way, right, And and his his assistant what's her name, Inga, no Helga, it's something

I don't know. She's a little Japanese woman whose name is Inga. And the scene where he says operate it initiates Operation Fallen Angel, and she looks in the window and she goes But I can see this. It's outlandish, and you wonder, why are these people so into this? And they'd be willing to die. But I don't think it's it is a stretch, but it's not up to that point. It's not too far. Because number one, I've worked in a restaurant with a guy with a chef who was like

this. He was a Michelin. Guy was in the old in New York and this guy he was, this guy was the most intense. He was I was just a bar back in this place and it was off Herald Square in New York. But you would go in and you'd say, you know, I don't know, Table twelve is asking for their you know, stick or whatever, and he'd say, they're asking, they're asking, Like it was. Everything was intense. I mean, this guy was intense. It was absolute silence in the in the kitchen, and he was a very intense

looking guy. And the way that they have their you know, their little their barracks right where they go back. There was something they said. They were like, what do you do for downtime and she was like, downtime, there's no down time, and the toilets are right there, you know. And that was very It's boot camp, but it's also it's also like drama school. It's the same thing that people are together all day, every day for years and they get you get so into this thing where at dramas,

at English drama school, they tell you. The first thing they say is the guy, the main guy comes in, the old guy who owns the place, and he says. The main the main rule here is say yeah, say yes to everything. It doesn't matter what it is, right, I mean, they're very intense and if you say anything like what do you mean yet? You know, if you ask a question, he's like, are you ready to leave the country. You know, it's it's like all or nothing. So so they are willing to serve this guy who's he

is at the top. But it also has like an initiation. You know, they have to cross a boundary, they have to cross the water to get there. They got on their on their boat and go And Nicholas Holt I thought was was pretty good in this movie because he's so pathetic, right, and you know that right from the beginning, you're gonna get the mouth feels, he says, and she says, don't say that. Well, this is about like bourgeoisie delusion on one side and then like working class psychosis

on the other side. So they both have their mental illnesses, right, yeah, yeah, Well it's kind of a of a lot of things. It's the satirizing of a society that gets so affluent and wealthy that they're obsessed over you know, their foodies. Right, I mean to have to be a foodie, which is what the critic the whole character is he and he the food, right, he's just a fan, he's just like a chef. Yes, well so that, but he's a kind of and that's that's

why. Yeah, that's why ray Fine tells him to cook something and he fails at it, showing that he can't do it right. But he's super just narcissistic, arrogant dude the whole time, right, And so that humiliation was to show him, you know, hey, you you don't actually have the skills that you do. But yeah, I think that's it's critiquing a society on a lot of levels. But there's also the sort of trauma involved

in it where ray Fine has snapped. And the idea, I think is that you can have a society that gets so absurd and so so affluent that everything becomes irrational and absurd, and that causes people to snap. They're super potentious, Like they're like, we're eating the ocean. Remember, yes, yes, he says it's some oceanic and he says it's some amniotic you would say, And she says, oh, I think oceanic is better. Right. They're walking on the beach, Welcome to Hawthorn, right, So they're

in hall. So with the hawthorn, I thought, is this is this going to be? Is this a horror theme? Is this you know, Nathaniel Hawthorne. Is this their upper their upper class Northeastern elites, you know? But then you know I was looking into the hawthorn, right, Jamie, the the hawthorn and the what was the thing the what was the name of the wells? Well? Yeah, yeah, so hawthorn throw was like

cludy wells, which are like holy sing of water. Yes, So the hawthorn is in Robert Graves, right, it's in It's in the White Goddess and he talks about the the the the the Celtic like symbolism of the hawthorn. So the hawthorn is ah like the Druids thought that the hawthorn would bleed and scream at a holy site, which is kind of the same thing like they said about Mandragora. But the man drake right, But and they grow beside this the sca wells, right, which is becomes the holy sites like

Christian holy sites. And then the mayflower is a hawthorn, So mayflower, I guess, uh. And they're sort of on this island, and that I took it that they were like in the northeast, and and so it's like you're going to a sacred place, right, but it's gonna be barbed with characters that are you know, thorny, I guess. And and this isn't the You kind of go into it thinking like this is the only time these people are going to this place, and it's just this one event.

But we learned that that's the restaurant and that they have exclusive events every now and again. Because the one guy who's the CEO guy, the old guy, has been there eleven times. He makes sure to tell him eleven times. Right there. Reminded me of that from Gilligan's Island. Who are they? Yes, the angel from the Boss Danzer there for Angela's cameo, and we get the finance bros. Right, So the finance bros are the wall you know, Wall Street Silver or whatever is walking down the ramp and they're

like, bro, this is gonna be a great thing. There's gonna have some fucking food here or whatever. And they get on the ferry and they go over and and then they turn out too. So we'll get there. I guess about how it's sort of burns. But when they walk into this, we obviously have these people are picked and they were invited, and we've got different you know, levels, But we don't know about Anya Taylor Joy, right, And like you said in your stream, Jay, like she's

in all these asotechnic movies, She's in Split, She's in yeah. Yeah, And so when she shows up, she says she's Margo and they're not expecting her. So something is off. There's always something off, right, Were we supposed to think that We're supposed to think that somehow Ray Fine picked the people because they had slighted him at some point in the past. Like these are specifically representative societal people that, in his mind were the douchebags of

society slighted him. They represented every group of I know that, but like, but how did he know to like figure out who that that the older guy you know was cheating with Anya Taylor Joy because they'd come to eat there. They were regulars, but they didn't appreciate him. But I thought that was the first time Anya Taylor Joy had been there because Ray Fine acted like

she wasn't supposed to be there. Yeah, So so everyone is picked and he had his date right who was supposed to be picked, and she had been through We don't know this, like if we're looking at it through their eyes. The customers going there, we don't know that they've been through this vetting process going there, we don't. We just know that the other people are Oh, that's the two people, that's the three people, and they're

big and we're going to an exclusive event. But we don't know that they've been vetted because when we get there, when Anya Taylor Joy shows up, that's why it's a big you know ingy or whatever is like, hmm, this will have to do and makes a big deal of it, but doesn't say And then later Ray Fines goes through this this is for the folks at home. Rain goes through this process of trying to figure out who she is

and what she's doing there, why she doesn't belong. But we learned that the the system of getting those people there is a kind of it's almost like they have their own blackmail operation going with these But when the patties or cookies or pancakes or whatever they are with the tortillas with the images, were we supposed to think, right, that the older guy cheating on Samantha from Who's the Boss? And been there with Annia Taylor Joy Or was this at some

other place? No, no, he hadn't. He hadn't been there with her. It was that was their trysts, right, okay? And this actually this is a thing. Remember they bring this up in the movie. How did you know about this? Or whatever? And and Inga says, you know, here, we know everything about our customers. And I there's a thing. There's a thing in the food, the upper echelons of the food, foody thing. And it's they said it. Even the name,

the pretentious name, even matches what it is. And it's called dream catching. And dream catching is where the restaurant will tailor the specific experience to the tiniest whims of the elite going there. So they learn everything about their life. So they learned that, you know, if you know, Belinda Williams is going there, right, and he's a Dutch lord. They learned, oh, he loved truffles when he was four. He had a dream about

them. So then they they provide these experiences for well, wasn't it the guy, I don't know his name, you said it the guy from Renfield had been in communication with Rafines getting these details set up. He said, we've been playing this for eight months. Remember, yes, Yes, that was it, and it was funny. It was if it had said nine months, it would have been I guess too obvious, right, Like he had birthed this guy wanted a new daddy, you know, he wanted a

new daddy in the chef. But it's almost like that Nicholas Holt was his mole, right or you know, into these other people. Not like he would know about the other the lives of the other people, but it's he's his snitch, right. He Everything you want to know is going to come from this kid because he just wants to please Ray Fines. And so that over this eight month process, it's like you're I'm I'm birthing you as my son and you get to emerge at the restaurant and then he's as in his

chance and he flubbed it. And that's why. Yeah, and I thought that was particularly clever. Would he let him cook a mual and he totally messed it up? Well, that was particularly clever because and I didn't expect that because he's so he's so obsessed with food, and the like epicurean experience of the food that I didn't even consider that he would want to cross over to the other side, which is the providing this instead of taking that he

would actually give that. He would that that would even come up. But Ray Fines was clever in or the character. They were clever to make that one of the plot points because nobody else was given. You know, it's like they're on the other side of the divide and we witness them cook, but we're over here and you're and by the way, uh you know it is it's obviously like a Gordon Ramsey character, right, And Nick Rushfort has a good all this good stuff about Gordon Ramsey because you know, Gordon Ramsey

will go to fix these restaurants, right, and he'll insult them. You know, he walks in and he'll insult them, and you know this plicy shit, right, and then they go they go, well, you know, you can't talk to me like that, and he goes, I'm here to help you. Well, you're gonna talk back to me. But there's been a spate of people who he fixed the restaurant and then the restaurant totally tanked and then the people are no longer alive. Uh, it ruined their

life. Literally. Well, it's like there's two or three. Yeah, there's too many of those episodes. And they do have that arc like he's like, I'm here to help and then they're like okay, and he gets in there and starts to fix things and the people will hate it and they're like, we hate him. But then at the end he turns it all

around. They're all happy. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it's like, the worst thing is Gordon Ramsey showing up to your restaurant because even though it's ship, you know, you trying to poison me, right, It's like, well, they do have a clientele still, and the people are there. They're there for the terrible food, but at least they're there and

they're paying. So then he fixes up the restaurant and then it becomes this place where people can't afford the new place and it's it's on the Jersey Shore or whatever, and they don't want to play for you know, they want to pay for Beef Wellington, right. And then two weeks after he's gone, it's a nice restaurant and then he goes bankrupt and then he's ruined their life because now they're in debt. One of the dudes like jump then the

restaurant, he's got a racket. Yeah, but no that's not but he's not going to buy him if they're unsuccessful because the people don't shop there. I heard the Ramsey restaurant in Las Vegas is really good. Have you ever seen Gordon Ramsey's Gordon Ramseys, Gordon Ramsey. There's another guy who's Gordon Ramsey's guy who he's the this is the only man who ever make Golden Ramsey cry. And he's a chef. He's the enfantelerib I forget his name, somebody

in the chat, what's that guy's name? He's a His idol is Jim Morrison. He looks like when he was younger, he looked like Jim Morrison. This this chef, he's English and he you know he could he was a chef in France. And his thing is that he he carries like a giant, you know, he carries a blade, a cooking knife, and he doesn't yell like Gordon Ramsey does, but instead he's he's like, yes, you know I could slice you and dice you and whip you into and

he like waves a knife right in your face. It's very, very intense. But there's a clip of it on YouTube where Gordon Ramsey's young in his kitchen and the guy's like, you'll never be a chef, you'll shit, and Gordon Ramsey cries, and so that's that's Gordon. That these guys so fancy chefs apparently have my goodral handlers is the thing we're learning, which I had no idea of that. I never heard of this. I guess it makes sense that Julia Child was in the OSS, so I guess the food

world is run by him. Kal Well, the critic in the movie The Lady at the Table, her sin on the tortilla was getting other restaurants shut down, Like right, yes, cleboy Whiteboard says Marco, it's Marco Pierre white Yeah, and he still has shows. He's a he's a cool he's kind of a you know how Anthony Bourdain was one of these guys in a different respect. He was a writer and stuff, you know, but this

all fault Terry and actually, uh Ray Fines brings that up. That's one of his points, he says, you know, it's when he has the Sioux chef come up and he says he will never be great. He's very good, but he will do you want my life? And the guy's like, no, chef, because he says, to be in this position, you have to sacrifice everything, right, You have to give your blood, sweat and tears. You sacrifice your body, your relationships, your everything to

please people that you will never see and you will never meet again. And so the sin for the woman, right is that she she supports him when he's great, but she also tears down everyone from this ivory tower. And the same thing occurs in that movie Birdman. Actually he confronts the critic in the bar in that movie, the Michael Keaton movie. But yeah, so

what were you gonna say, Jamie? Now, I was thinking about Bourdain, But I was thinking that, you know, some people will speculate that he might have had some intelligence work that he was doing under this cover of being this traveling eating shitty food person or whatever whatever his job was. I

don't know. I mean, it seems plausible and if that's true, but he did had had these weird connections, and we did a boiler room on it back at the time where he was pretty close to Dario Argento's daughter, and they had these I think they were dating, right, and they had these weird, occultic looking foods and they had tasted of like, you know, cannibal type things. So there was really weird stuff going on with with

Bourdain. But but he's not technically a chef. So I was just trying to think of connections between the chef world and really a child's only one I could think of. He he was he was a chef. He was, Yeah, he was. He has that in the book called Kitchen Confidential. There's a movie with Bradley Cooper where he plays that character. And so what happened with Bourdain was that he was became a chef in New York. He spent half the time in France, and then he like he was a you

know, he was a bad boy chef. So he got I think he was a hero He got addicted to heroin and he was into drugs, and then as his penance, he went down to like New Orleans and he shocked you know, five million oysters or whatever, and then started from the bottom again. But yeah, it is weird that in the show he's like, yeah, I'm here with Papa Doc right in Haiti and we're yeah or whatever. You know, Well, there's a thing where they ate brains. I

mean, it was all kinds of crazy stuff. We did a whole boiler room on it. I wasn't laughing at Boordina, I was laughing at I thought Guy Fieri was the renegade chef. He's probably on our side of things, right, He's like, yeah, we're going into Richmond, Virginia. We're gonna eat a shitty burger. Right. Well, that's another thing with the class warfare theme is that he serves no bread because bread is for common people, but also like bread is for religious purposes like daily bread and communion

bread. Right, so yeah, so you and so you'll get no bread. Just the little dots of color on the well. He was making a statement of like oh yeah, he's sort of throwing it in the face of the elite. Yeah, oh, you're too good for bread. We won't be serving you bread because you're Yeah, that's how I imagine the bread.

There's a that scene reminded me of the scene at the start of the American Psycho movie, and it's it's in the book as well, but in the movie, Uh, they begin the they begin the film with that, which is they're playing classical music and it's like drizzle on the plate like it's an artwork, right, And that was that was at the time when eighties New

York food was like minimalist. And then they say, you know, you know the the charcoal larugula and the mud soup is And so Bateman makes a habit of quoting food reviews, like as part of the plot in the film, and so he speaks through music reviews and food reviews because that speaks to the elite and what the other people can't can't partake in. Yeah, yeah, that's want to go to No can do? Got an eight thirty rands at dorseas the orchid savice? Right, have you ever heard of that food

Ordelan? You know that is that's probably the most decadent food. Orderlon Ordelan is Orderlon is a bird and to eat it, they they like they like drown the bird in amorato and then they like resuscitate the bird and then you you you eat the bird with a napkin over your head. I'm not kidding, yeah, like you because just to hide your sin, that's it.

It's literally they do this in France at the eyeswad Chut parties, they have a you can look it up. They have a a napkin over their head and they're eating at the table and the bird is like they're eating under the napkin. It's one of the decadents. It reminds me too of like of those elite parties you see where there's naked bodies laid out with the food on the body. And so it's sort of like one theme that we're going to

see in this. And what I think is in the menu is that the elite class is predatory and so because they're feeding like credators on the working class and so forth, then Ray Fine was to teach a lesson and say that you know, I'm going to feed on you. I'm basically going to make you all intomores. So yeah, somebody just posted a picture of a party that Neil Patrick Harris had back in the day when Amy Winehouse died, and there was like a life sized cake that looked like her corpse and it was

all zombie. It was really macab Yeah. Yeah, there was the Marinka the Marinka party. Oh will produce this, by the way. Yeah, remember he was he was yeah, he was at the Cakes of Light human heads at the tables. Yeah thing and what's another thing? So so it's continuous, like its confidence. It's funny because Ania Taylor Joyce character, he

starts off and he says, he has this monologue. Right, he comes in and he right, he claps as the start of the ceremony, and and he says, tonight, you do not eat, salivate, bloviate like he you know whatever. And then when he comes over to her and he confronts her, you haven't eaten a thing, she says, but you told me not to eat. But I thought was pretty good, because you know

what I mean, he's thrown off, he's thrown off card. So I think at that point he knows you don't belong here because he's not used to like common man sass. He's used to be weird man and well, but the elite are very picky and you know they wouldn't act that way, right, Yeah. And what's her name in the movie, Uh, forget her character's name, it's you know whatever, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Morgan. She's like, what's Margo? Margo? Yes, yes, Margot,

Margot, Robbie. He says, what's your name? She says Margot Robbie and he says, I've fed a lot of Margot Robbie's and you're no Margo. Right. She has the bearing of someone who does not is doesn't belong because she doesn't acquiesce to the ritual and the you know of this like ceremony they're involved in. And the Hollywood guy, right, John Legwy's almost there and he's a that was great because his beef with him is he says, my one day off in thirty three years, I decided to go to the

cinema and I saw a film mister Sunshine. It was not sunny, yeah, right? And then and then his assistant, right, who's the girl? And they admit that they've been stealing from each other, right is in their admission of guilt towards the end of the film. But he says to her, she says, why am I here? And he's like, you went to Brown University and she says yes, And he said, did you

take out student loans? And she says yes, and he says you're gone, right, She said yeah, yeah, but she said no, yeah, well yeah, because if she needed loans and she was working class, right, makes sense? Yeah, So he said it's over for you. Yeah, and they were just like, yeah, I guess so, yes. Yeah. The lady outside, who's the lady from Ozark. Remember she was the lawyer. I don't know if you guys seen an Ozark, but

she's the lawyer for the cartel. You know. She says, we're going to die tonight, and the simp says, oh, definitely, yeah, And that's when they go into the most Dangerous game, which I thought was interesting because they walked outside, let's take the night there. Man, you have a forty five second head start, so it becomes the most dangerous I thought they were going to kill him there, and you know, so now

we're hunting human beings. Well, it's interesting that when the guy on the lives himself, they don't really believe it's happening, Like the whole time, it doesn't occur to them that this is actually real because they've been privileged. Yeah, everything is sort of oh, it's part of the performance, right, yeah, yes, no, this is the performance. Even though there is a guy who's right like, yeah, right, yeah, there's it's okay, there's a there's a there's a Hollywood guy there, right, and

he's like what are you talking about? This is not a perform and it is a performance. I mean it is a performance. And the way that the way that like when he does that, they have a matt laid out on the ground like with sprinkles of sprigs of you know, like that's the plate right, his little his speech, you know, his mother is there, right, and he tells that story about the awful story about you know, my father had a telephone cord, right, and they serve the chicken

with scissors in it like on the telephone cord. But it's sufficing to say. All that happens. And then he gives her, He gives Margot a chance right to go and get the whatever. So she gets she leaves the home and goes and finds the CB radio, which is also another element of tricking them, right. You know, you think you're gonna get help, but you know you're all gonna die here. And that's when she she kills Inga or whatever. Who. Now, now there's a power struggle, so

his assistant thinks she's going to take her place. And then there's the Fallen Angel ceremony right with the Peter Thiel Angel investor who there are no substitutions. Oh yeah, yes, he dared to. You know, he was investing. He kept them going through Karunka and he dared to ask for substitutions right

with his meal. How dare he? One thing I didn't understand. Also, you could probably help me understand this from a narrative perspective, is why did he tell the one of the underling chef ladies that she could stab him in the leg because he tried to sleep with her and she said no, this is it just to show that he's kind of an an unhinged character, but he has this weird sense of justice. Why do you think he did

that? Because they used the scissors to do that? Yeah, I thought that that was his So so, first of all, he's the father to these people who kind of worship him like a father, right, And that's so it's a mirror of what he did to his father. It's also it's a penance because he shows and he has no pain. Remember he talks about how I can grab a scalding hand and fire. He can grab fire and

I feel no pain. But I also thought it was weird the last time I watched it, I thought there was some sort of weird kind of like almost like a fisher king symbolism here, like because they're on this island and it's abundant and the fisher king in the in the Arthurian legend, the fisher king is stabbed in the thigh or in the or in the groin, and he has to be rejuvenated, you know, through the Holy Grail and when when when he it comes back, when he experiences life again, which is

in the Arthurian you know lore, it's a it's a spiritual life. He partakes. I think the grail is the Eucharist. When he partakes of the euchars, like the land will grow. But in this it becomes more of like a they're clear like wicker Man illusions in this to me because because the place is abundant because of him, but also it's but now at this point, like he's stabbed in the thigh and there's going to be death, so

the fruits of his labor are death. In this everyone's gonna die. And the end of the film is a self immolation, right, it's a like almost like a pagan sacrifice of these people, so that everything burns and then she gets she's she leaves to tell that, which is like classical, very classical. That she gets to leave and she's the one to tell the story of the thing that happened. We see the flames and the reflection of her

eyes when she leaves, and that was very clever. How they did that right, How she appeals to his sense of innocence and joy and making for there's no joy. She says, it's all an intellectual activity. Well, it's also we were talking about meals as covenant. In Biblical theology and traditional Western religion, meals are seen as you know, with the divinity. You're even in a sense partaking of the Divinity in terms of the Lord's Supper and

whatnot. Here we have also a meal that is a cursed meal, and you get this in the New Testament as well, where Paul says, if you partake of the Eucharist unworthily, you partake too death and two damnation to

destruction, so you can actually have a cursed meal. And in the Old Testament there's a situation where if Israel, or one of the cities in Israel, if they fell into certain types of extreme idolatry, the city was to be Hormah, which is a burnt offering, which is to be burned up basically, So burnt offering is another type of ritual offering, like a covenental meal. And here I think that this is the culmination of like these people

are cursed and so they're undergoing a kind of burnt offering. Right. It's also in an island, which is interesting because a lot of times these the especially most dangerous game themes play out on islands. The island is I mean in the in the short story, that's specifically what it is. He he the guy falls off a boat. He crosses over the boundary, over the chasm the abyss, right into this new world that is a The guy wants

to make it like a Zaroff, I think is the name. He wants to make it like a like a neo gnostic, you know, a neogenesis where he controls everything. Right, and well, it's the same thing in the Island of Doctor Moreau too, yes, yeah, yeah, And the I suppose it's like I don't know, or the island right, or or or even the Hunger games. Right, It's a place, it's an other place. It's it's other, it's apart from everyone else, and you have to go no one has access to it. It's a it's it's isolated.

Why did you say chefs can be assassin What does that mean? Just that chefs can have can poison people. And the ancient medieval world poisoning people was, you know, a very common way to get rid of people. And so you had to have food tasters at court because it was so common that the nobility in kings and queens can be poisoned, that there was a guy tasked with specifically being the person that tasted the king's food. It's an Hamlet, I mean in Hamlet, it's the it's the poison pearl in the wine.

There's you know, Shakespeare read a play about I mean Tdys Sandronicas has this as a play where the climax of the play is that he gets back at the at the woman by hers, the Gothic woman. Her sons have told they've done something to his daughter. They cut off her hands, replaced them with tree stumps, and then cut out her tongue so she couldn't tell who did it to her. So they can you to live right there in

the in the court with her. And so when Titus finds out about it, finally he has them killed, and then he bakes them into pies and then feeds them to her mother. This is in Shakespeare. Feeds it to her mother who eats it, and he says, you're reading your son basically.

And I actually thought with this movie, I thought I thought that this was the way the movie was going to go when I saw the trailers for the movie when it first came out, I said, oh, this is a clearly cannibal movie, you know, But it didn't turn out that way. It was more of a it is but it's figurative, you know.

Yeah, Well, it's about eating the rich, right, It's like clast warfare, and the rich can never be satisfied because he spent his whole life trying to please strangers and you never can because that class of people, it's

just you can't please them. Well, he realizes they're psychopaths in a way, or there's there are kind of like many psychopaths, and so he snaps and it's like, I'm gonna out psychopath them all and I'm going to show them what are the true psychopath is because I have the will to do what these people couldn't even do. Yeah, it's interesting how she resolved it.

I mean the cheeseburger scene is, first of all, this is the best cheeseburger I've ever seen since pulp fiction, right with the big It made me hungry to yeah, the Wally burger, right, so she says, she says, I want a cheeseburger, and his responses, I'll make you the best chease burger. She's like, I have cheeseburger and live where'd you get it? McDonald's. Wendy's big to Huna Burger because she's reminding him of the best time in his life when he was just a cheeseburger maker, remember,

because she saw the picture of him flipping burgers all happy, smiling. Yeah, so that's when he was actually cooking food with happiness. And now all of the joy is taken out of it. And they even make point to say that you don't cook with the most important ingredient, and she's like, we always cook with love, right right, yes, yes, yes, we have cooked. So Anya tails Door had to figure out his game and his psyche, right yes, and that's how she ends up saved. She's

the only one that makes it out. But I still didn't exactly understand what she figured out. I mean, she figured out he's working class and that he could never please these people and he didn't get respect that he felt like he always deserved. But how how did what she asked for get her off of the island? Well, because because when first of all, they have to go to the other place to get there, right, So that's far

into her, is it? Because let me ask you, this is it because she figured out that his happiest time, like you said, was when he was cooking hamburgers when he was young, and then he got into being an elite chef and he's miserable because he can never please these people. But he pleased the people when he was just feeding the working class hamburger exactly. And so the rich people represent the ruin of his art I see, and the waste of his life. She figured that out. Yeah, yeah,

and she stands up to him. It's funny how she stands up to him, because she says, I don't like your food, and no one says that to him, Yeah, especially in these elite circles. Yeah. Yeah, So she confronts him and you can see that he respects her for saying it. He's like, what about it, don't you like? And then she asks, He says, we can make you anything, and you know

he's telling the truth. They can make anything. They have access to access to anything, and they make it there, right, so they can feed anybody anything anywhere. And she says, I want a cheeseburg, which no one ever asked for at this place. And then when she says, oh, you know, she uses all of the normal language that we do when we go to a place that these people never do, which is now, you know, my eyes were bigger than my stomach. Do you think I

could take it? You know? Can I get a doggie bag? You can imagine like you could. No one says that to this guy, right, a doggie bag, he says, you know, so I think we can box. Even when she says she says uh, he says, would you like fries with that? And she's like yes, and he's like crinkled cut. He says, crinkled cut, yeah, or Julia is the friar still on right? Yeah? Yes? Yes, So that's her way and you can see it in his eyes. I really like Ray Fines. I

mean, he's he's uh. What's interesting about this is that Ray finds Ray Fines went to Rada the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. He's an Oscar winning actor. He's a he's a he's a state. He's an English stage actor. He was known for playing Hamlet when he was younger. He and Daniel d Lewis both had these attacks on stage in the West End London of uh seeing their dead father on stage as the ghost of Hamlet and having like a

sort of mental breakdown. But it's interesting because he's also British establishment. His his uncle is Ranolph Finds who was British sas and was a member of that secret club. It's a stupid day. But they're called the Feathermen, and the Feathermen is a group of X S a S guys who are contracted out to places and look after each other and because they write their things on with a feather quill pen and at their meetings. That movie killer this is real.

There's a there's a movie killer elite. A lot of people see, yes, that's that's him. He's Chopher Lee in this. I don't know he might have been well, you know he was a s S. Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you know that one of the fine it's one of the fine. There's another one not Joe Joseph. I think there's a third one, and he's orthodox iant to know that. Yeah, one of them converted years ago, and it's either Joseph or the other one. Yeah, yeah, Joseph. Joseph was in Shakespeare in Love. He was,

he's he's a good actor. But but Ray Fins and you know, Ray Finds made his he made his role in in the Schindler movie, right as the ultimate bad guy. He's a you know, he's a I don't know, I like him, yeah, yes, yes, uh, he's great because this this isn't really i mean just from an acting thing, this isn't like a ironically, it's not like a meaty role. Right, There's not a lot for him to do. He's in one place the whole movie. He has like an office scene with her, and you know, there's not

a lot going on, so it's almost like a play. But everything is sort of packed into his character, almost like the flavors that's probably too far, but like packed into the food, right, I mean, so you see it in his eyes. And it's interesting because most of these characters that are like these psychopath characters and films, it's like they have this dead eyed you know, black pupiled look, but he doesn't have that in this so so any anyway, in the end, the place blows up and she gets

away and she keeps her humanity. I suppose what do you think is the overall point of the satire here? Well, I think that I think it's the class warfare is I think there are a number of elements. One there's there's class warfare, but it's almost like a meta satire of class warfare where it's it almost seems to be so obvious in the film that it twists back

on itself. And I don't really know how to explain that other than to say that, like that just because the working class hero woman ah, and she's like truly working, she's a working girl, right, just because she wins in the end, doesn't mean that she win ends and that we see

a dichotomy where like there's a good side and a bad side. They all end up dying, and that they are they there's a self immolation where to me, it's almost like, does this mean that the system is going to burn from the inside, because it's like Rome, you know, it's like it's like you could see the same thing happening in ancient Rome, they're so

decinent that they're just going to bring themselves down outside. Don't forget the Rahab element, right, because Rahab is the horror in the old Tessamon who understands that the city is going to be destroyed, and because she has faith, she's saved, even though she's immoral, but she believes and she's saved you know, through fire. Basically, you could say, so she's basically a kind of a Rahab character as well. Yeah, and they're offering sacrifice in

the Rehab story. The city is destroyed and she makes it out she's the horror that survives. There's I mean, there's also the other, obviously element of the meta film critique, right, which is like the Hollywood guys not to be taken seriously. His his career is vapid and nothing, and yet

we're watching a film about the characters. Also that you know, I'm not I don't like to take like lessons away from these things because I don't think it's a lesson in the sense that you know, there's a moral, but I think that there's something to be said for the fact that we do get that it shows that the people who are you know, usually we see, especially in literature, that characters who are willing to give everything for their art

or for a cause, or you know, because they're a military hero are noble characters, right, They they're willing to give up their lives, you know, either it's a literal sacrifice of their of themselves for someone else, or all of their time and their relationships, you know. I mean we see this with you know, with Mozart right or with the great artists, like they have no life, but the thing they created will lift forever.

But in this we see that we're also being told that, like there's one guy, all the rest of these people who think they have a shot at this are not gonna make it, and that they're willing to sacrifice themselves but for nothing because nobody will remember them. And even he doesn't want to be you know, does he even want to be remembered? I mean, I don't even know if he gives an indication of that. He's just done. He just tie It's almost totally nihilistic. He just wants it all burn.

Yeah, he just wants it all to burn. Yeah yeah, yeah, So should we move on to the next one. Yeah? You guys like and share out there, like it, like it, Share, make sure you hit that like. And if you want to UH support, you can. You can support me with the direct links right there that my homeboys are dropping in the chat. And also you can go to the video description and the channel description. You can support me anytime. You can also super chat,

you can donut chat. Ask Jay and Jamie a question. They're here, they're here for you. Ask him a question. They'll read it. They'll read it, they maybe answer it on screen. So ask them a spook tebra question. And that rahab element just came to me. I hope that's uh an element that's worth mentioning because you know, a lot of a lot of Western literature, and I'm not saying this is Western literature, but any movie is still going to be influenced by you know, classic Western literature.

The Bible is a big part of that, and so a lot of great lit you know, especially Shakespeare. It's it's rife with esoteric ideas as well as biblical ideas. Yeah, so I think a lot of these stories from the Old Testament, we can't forget those because and I watched this movie twice without realizing the rehab element. But yeah, anyway, Yeah, the

Bible. Yeah, no, the Bible is uh the foundation for the Western canon, for Western literature, just just alone with the simple fact that the Bible is the best selling book of all time, continuously ever even now, and that for a long time it's the only piece, it's the only written word that anybody knew at all. So of course it's it's going to be, you know, we're going to draw all of our stories and inspiration from

from from the Bible, and so I think that's appropriate. I think that, you know, you could say like, oh, she represents the working class, you know, the working girl, and is this saying that this is I don't know something about the great reset world that we live in where this is the noble character. But I don't think they're really doing that in this. I think it takes on more of a biblical event where she clearly has He says to her, you know, do you enjoy your work?

Right? Oh there's oh I forgot. The other element is if they are looking at ray Fines like a father, and Nicholas Holt is like a fatherless child and he wants to perform for his father. There's also the other element that I didn't even think of, which is how she recognizes the corporate guy, right, because there's the he was doing the activity with him off site. That was the picture. And you remember what she says that he said when she would have their trip, that he did his you know, his

his pervert things. But he's he he said, you're gonna pretend you're my daughter. Yeah. Right, So so I think at that point in the office, Ray Fines is like, I don't need to know the details, but this is creepy enough even for me. Where this guy's gotta go. I'm giving you an opportunity. No, we're all gonna die, he says, but you get to choose. But then he does, he lets her go, so she becomes like a surrogate daughter. Anyway. Yeah, so what's next? You want to do? You want to do Flesh get Out

or Flesh Listen, let's do Flesh get Out. This one was I almost had to not watch it. It was almost too broke for me. Get Out is a good one to end with because we're gonna get out and it's probably the best and the most well known of the films. But this movie, if people haven't seen this movie, it's called Fresh and I got this

one on as a recommendation for my homebok Jet throw out there. I finally watch it and and it's got Sebastian Stan and the and this this actress, and I was I was not looking forward to watching the movie because I don't like you know, I'm just like anybody else. I don't like this theme.

I didn't know how bad it was going to be, but I thought it was interesting when the economy collapses, like Alex says, yeah, I'm looking at my neighbor, chop him up, dice them, yeah, call him up that change, I will eat your butt, and literally does that. Well that's funny because was this kind of a satire too? Is it was? It was? I got elements of American psycho in it, right, So it's like American psycho satire meets Jeffrey Badonka Don and it's a dating

hookup, cautionary tale. It's a lot of things. It's also the one thing that bugged me about it was that it's kind of a woe horror. I'm really I'm really annoyed with woe horror. We talked about that sigh op cinema, and here it's wokhor because you know, we have basically single white males are all these sort of you know Jeffrey Badonka Donk predators who are just really there to prey on women. And here praying on women takes on a double sense, right. Women are not just meet for the sex market.

They're also literally meat in this weird underground cult. And we find out if you notice symbolism, it's very clear there's a baffomet goat head with an all seeing eye here that is this club that pays high price for these fresh meat ladies that this dude sort of recruits from in person spitting game. Right, So she goes out with this you know soy man that she meets on tender. He's an annoying city you know, scarf wearing dude talking about, oh

can I get some bubbling water sparkling? Yeah, he wants to go can you pay it? Right, she just can't stand this dude. And he's like you should wear a dress and yeah, and so she's like I'm done, and you know, her sassy black friend's like, girl, you need to find you a better man in it. And then she meets this guy in the grocery store. You know, and he's Ali Swab and he's spitting some you know, awkward jokey game and it works, and so he's he's

he's like the king of the awkward. He's read her, but he's read her as a girl that would like that kind of game, right because of the way she's dressed, and she's kind of quirky and you know, hipsterish. She's not that interested in looking like a woman. She's wearing a baggy, you know, sweater, and he can you know, see that she's sort of the artsy type. So he plays that kind of a game and it works. And then of course we know that from that point on,

like things are getting worse and worse, she doesn't see. One thing I liked about the first part of this is that a lot of times movies like this, they they give too many red flags that the character willingly ignore. But here we don't really get many red flags. The only red flag that we really get is that her, the black, sassy black girlfriend says he ain't got no social media girl. That's weird, but that's about it.

Well, the red flag is that it's going too well and that too much chemistry because all the other men from you know, Tinder and stuff is all like, you know, d ic K pix and please show bops, please show bobs and Badgin. Yeah, and this guy he's like, good, lookie, he's a cosmetic surgeon, but he's also sensitive, so he's got money and yeah, he plays it well like he's like, yeah, I'm a plastic surgeon. And she's like, oh, he's got money. But

then she's like, but he's going to be vain. He's like, but yeah, it feels really good to help the kids that get burned when they come in, which was the same thing Bateman says an American psychico, he said, what do you want to do with your life? And don't say helping children? Please? And that's what he does. But you know, it is clever because the movie is kind of divided into thirds. We don't get the credits for the movie until I think thirty three minutes into the movie.

Yeah, and and everything that should be a red flag we see is acceptable for her because of what she's been put through in the modern you know, dating world. Right. It's also interesting that the guy is that the bad The bad guy is actually uh soy right, he's a I don't eat meat. Oh, you can eat it, but I don't need animals. Oh I don't need animals. That's right, Yeah, a good point.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he eats a human persudo. It's just and she hasn't even love, so she's letting him, you know, kind of sweep her off her feet. Because anybody who says that is just like craving to fall in love, right, like anyone who says I don't need a man is super lonely and I don't need no man. Yeah. Yeah, Well this guy's that I'm saying, he's a depth enough at psychology to

figure out the kind of person that's perfect for Yeah. All of the things that he does are very Bundy esque, right, because he he keeps all of her you know, later we're going to see that he keeps all of the trophies, right, and that he almost I mean, at times he looks to me like Bundy was described. Right. He's wearing the turtleneck, you know, and he's he's very sort of outgoing and and people saw him

as dashing or whatever. But he's also probing her for things. So, for instance, he finds out she has no family like right away, so that means no one's going to be looking for her, right and uh. And also the guy in the Chinese place was I thought this was interesting? Was this This is a woke take on how this guy was named Chad? Right, First of all, he was a Chad, but he was no Chad. And he's got a scarf and he he you know, he's like, oh, you should wear a dress, you know, you should be

traditional. He talks to the Remember how he talks to the waitress, do you yeah, you were just saying do you want yes? Yeah, and then he appears later at the end of the film, right in the text.

Yeah, in the text, she's like, Chad maybe right. Also, she goes on the date with the guy and parks in the sketchiest, darkest territuntal alley ever and is scared of the guy walking behind her, but it turns out to be you know, yeah, Jijen bing with a baby, right, And she's like, oh, and then there's a Chekhov's gun, right because she has her keys like a like a weapon. And then that'll appear later in the film. That'll that'll pop back up, which is

weird. But but yeah, when she meets him, you know, it's also the grapes. Right, it's the he feeds her great, you know, it's the grape tasting in the grocery store. The grocery store. I forget what the grocery store was called, but there was when they were talking, there was a sign above them that said fresh meat right at weird weird angles. This movie was great because they do this thing that Kuber did in

The Shining. A lot of people do this, but where we see like straight angles and we're at right angles and everything's fine, and that means psychology is great. Everything's going great, but then it gets skewed and at like forty five degree angles when things aren't going right. He's also like it's just like in the invitation, he's wearing like a brown corduroy jacket. He's kind of soft, he's mute colored. You know, he's not outlandish. Right,

they go out on their day. They go to the funky bar in public where you know the guys you know. And then that was weird because she her friend is friends with the bartender and there's the scene where she's like, can't you give me the guy's name? He's here all the time, and he's like, I can't do that. I lose my job. And it's like, what what are you talking about? Your bartend? What what are you talking about? Like I thought that was very odd and he shows

up. I thought he was going to be in on it me too, That's why I thought he wouldn't help her. Yeah, he's got kind of well we saw that his wife was in on it, right, and then the black duds like, I can't give that out, and I'm thinking, Okay, he's on in on it too. Write something. It's going to be a network of people that works to get women or something right. And so no, go ahead, Jamie. I was just say, they did one of those scenes that I hate in the movies where they're like kissing so

hard that they wrecked the hallway. I hate that they did the scene that I hate the most, which is she's talking to her friend on the phone and she's brushing her teeth forever. Oh yeah, and she keeps the tooth brush in her mouth when she's walking around. It's gross. That's one thing that I noticed in this film that I didn't like was they intentionally have the sound to where you hear people chewing and macking and making uh lip noises and

that's on purpose. Yeah, I found I found it very sort of disconcerting. He was gonna turn it off when they were eating the boob, so you can hear him smacking and he's talking about how it's it's fatty, and I'm like, all right, this is about the gross meat. But uh, when the when the bartender was was eating in his car and was eating that burger that made her want to eat a hamburgers, I'm like, man, this movie gross, but I don't want to This movie is gross.

There are things about it that are interesting. It was clever in many ways. I don't know if I would recommend it, but like you said, it does kind of have that Shakespearean element with you know, feeding people other people and as a kind of a own and haha, got you. You know, Well, it was interesting. It wasn't just a cannibal cult. There was also a sc actual element to it, and especially at the very

end, there was like a gimp eating the Yes. Yeah, And what was interesting about that was that shouts out to Nico Pluto, by the way, who drops drops two hundred box and says, put this with Jane Jamie, Okay, I will thank you Nico Pluto. It was a big time, big time super chat. Thank you appreciate that. Yeah, there's a there's uh you know. He he goes on the day with her. Then

they sleep together, and it seems like it's going very well. It's obviously going too well for us, you know, watching it, but it's going very well. And they you know, they she wakes up next to him, you know, he's still there in the morning. But then she snaps a picture of him, which I thought was the camera's right there in his face, dude. Yeah, was odd. It was sort of voyeuristic. She sends it to her to her friend, Damn, don't he look good? She's like, no, I mean I guess he look all right.

When she said that you're digmatized. Yes, well, but he again this is he saw her as like perfect, right, So he found a girl that he knew, you know, probably couldn't find a good guy. The girl. The guys in her circle are probably the soy beta bug men in the city. So he knew all the ways to like, you know, really rope her in and he did it perfectly. Yeah, he he read

her wells what I'm trying to say? Yeah, and what's what's interesting is that it's it turns out to be genuine, right, It's almost like he does yeah, he's he's he's kind of hypnotized himself in a way that he actually really likes it. I mean. So, so they decide to go away, right, We're gonna go away for the weekend to Cottage Grove. Oh, we want to go to Cottage Grove. Cottage Grove, And I'm like, what the fuck is Cottage Grove? But then I was like,

is this bohemian grove? Are they going? I don't I don't think. I don't know. I guess it was just a stand in for Oh, it's a place outside of the city in nature, and we're gonna get And it sounds innocuous, right, it doesn't sound menacing. Oh to the cottage,

right, cottage it's safe, right, Yeah. But he does the thing that is the red flag for all these movies, which is we're going And then he shows up and says, Oh, the traffic's too bad, We're going to go to my place, like last minute change, right, like mister Jingles walking out to the car hold on. Uh No. So then they decide to go to his place, right, They get in the car they're driving. Uh oh, there's no phone service there, dude.

There's phone service on top of mountains now. Like the of course this is older, but like you know, trees are five gut things now, so that's everywhere, especially like the guy's house. I mean, you know, he's got starlink, but he just turns it off, I guess. But they go to his house and he's got the brutalistic, dead tech, postmodern

concrete bunker house with the door in a corner. Yeah. So it's at weird angles and you like you're walking into some sort of temple and weird artworks to like one of the was ghosts playing chess and that's pretty trippy, satanic looking or it reminded me of the art that Kavorkian does. If you've ever seen Kivorkian, doctor Jack of Orkian, the you know doctor Dad, he did a bunch of art and it's it's very similar to the art in this. He's a lot like American Psycho. Also, Yeah, yeah, that's

what I just said. Yeah, no, we said that in the last one. We were talking about now, but I said that this guy is like American Psycho. At the beginning of this you weren't listening, because you never Jamie doesn't listen to all the stuff that I say. And then like five minutes later she'll say, oh and blah blah blah. I'm like,

you didn't hear me say that. Well, well, there's one thing, so you guys, you all have talked about this when he when she walks in and she's looking at the art and she sees the postmodern abstract expressionist Jackson Pollock ask painting, there's there are the other pains, but there's the one. Yeah, And when she when she gets up close to it, and like she's she gets very close to the painting, and I was thinking,

is this flesh, kid? I think it's flesh exactly. Yeah, And then of course you know it's it's a it's like it's a cool place. I guess you know that he has he's obviously he's got money, and you know it's a it's it's cool for him or whatever. It actually reminded me of the there what's the Guy del Toro? Gerama del Toro came out with the series last year. Yeah, the last movie, Yeah, the Panels

Cosmantos one was at the end and it looks like that place. It's yeah, muted colors in you know, mid century or what I remember where the a bunch of stars go and they are at this hip cool place. They do space cocaine and then then there's like an egg of an alien. Yeah, yeah, you do. We watched the We watched the whole series. Yeah, they do. They do frosty, frosty space cocaine or whatever,

and uh, it turns kind of into a Mandy world. But in this one, it's like she's walking through and it's it's very like Frank Lloyd Wright. You know, it's built in the it's built into the landscape and there are windows with greenery, but it's like outside of the house, so it's in some sort of other structure. We watched that she's not remembering. Cabinet of Curiosities Episode seven is the one where is it Peter Weller plays a rock

star. Yeah. Yeah, and uh, they they're like, oh, uh, you know, come to this this meeting, remember, and they're all just kind of sitting around in this room and if they're all invited there to this event and they're all sitting around the cirt and and then it ends up being he's like I got to show you this. And then what he shows him is this alien egg that's morphing, right, and yeah, yeah, globular lucifer adana alien in an egg. Anyway, go ahead. So

so it's like a Frank Lloyd right kind of house. And then they turn on some tunes, you know, and they sit down there have a drink, and then of course she starts getting you know, we see the camera starts getting hazy and woozy. Bad, bad move right. He goes over to his little bar card. I don't know about y'all, but like whenever I say people they do this in movies. They always come into the office or come into home and I'll make you a drink and it's like there's a

bar cart there. But nobody does that. I guess people do it in real life like they're having a part. But yeah, fifties and if you watch forties and fifties movies, every scene is that. Yeah, I don't you know, but it's all ready to go. He's got ice in the tumblr, you know, it's like what you know. So so anyway, then she passes out and then she wakes up and she's in a concrete you know, corner cement room on a mattress and he's sitting in the corner with

a turtleneck on, and he tells her it's so bad. It's this movie is clever because he's so bad. He's so twisted. This guy is evil. But they make it seem seductive in a way that other movies, other movies, you know that the Zach effron Ted Bunny movie. It's like, oh, we're supposed to think he's seductive, you know, but this movie, it's like, no, this guy really does like you want you like him, like, but he's but you don't. You can't like, you

know. So he's sitting there and he's like, no, I'm not don't worry. I'm not gonna kill you. I'm just gonna eat you slowly and sell your meat until eventually you die, which is way worse. Yeah, right, and she's changed it will be slow and painful instead of freaking Yeah. And just like Patrick Bateman, like he's playing the most ridiculous you know. Richard Mars loves songs from the nineties, right, yes, And I'm not gonna lie like I heard that song in the movie and I've listened to

the song a bunch of times. And then I'm like, you know, this is pretty pretty good song now that it's been many years, you know, but it fits. It's fun, it is, and they're doing hand hand dancing, you know, and they have like a I thought that that's the scene where they dance, which is later on in the film, and I thought that scene was you know, someone could do is an analysis of just movie choreographed scenes like where there it doesn't fit in like a nex machina.

Remember I'm gonna tear up the fucking dance floor. Yeah, that's a great thing. But yeah, he's so he says, I'm gonna sell your meat. Oh gosh, oh no, she's a commodity. And she's like

so she you know, she kind of goes nuts. And this is also you know, we've seen so much in the news of this in the past ten years, you know, with the guy in Cleveland, the aerial castro guy with the people locked up in the basement, and the woman who locked with her head in a box and all these terrible things, and now we get this version of it. And I mean that was in split you know,

people locked up in the basement, They're gonna sell them. And when I was watching I was thinking, like, this is probably going where I think it's gonna go, but I wonder how they'll show this. And then when they showed it, like you said, they actually showed the montage of

the people that he sells it to. So he wakes up in the morning and he has a dumb waiter and he's got like a hue in leg, which is oh my god, you know, and he's he starts dancing, cutting up the human leg dancing is some music, throwing it in a Hello Fresh boxes with the trophies of the particular girls and puts the seal on it, and like you said, it had the Baffo mat with all Seeing and

an Ora Boros on it. And then we see a montage of the elite guys and and that was interesting because like in the menu and liking get Out, it was various prada of elites. Right, there's like a Texas old man. There's a there's like an Asian dude. Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a creepy guy on a breathing machine. There's a guy licking the plate, you know. There's a gil Bates guy. There's a guy wearing like a gimp outfit. Yeah, yeah, and and then he explains it

to us. I thought that was interesting because it doesn't really function his exposition in the movie. It's it's it's unexpected. He's he explains his operation to her. You know, he says, I provide a service for the one percent of the one percent, and the people are so they're so sensory, they want the thing that nobody else could have. Right, What did you think about the way that he explains how he got into it, Like how he says he was nineteen and he first got into this and he had this

secret that he couldn't tell anybody. I thought that was Jeffrey d isn't it. Yeah. I think they were pulling from different serial killers and stories about you know, you know paying. The lead Eli Roth, has a story where he says that he got the idea for Hostile because he had heard that when he was on some trip or somewhere in Thailand or something, that the Thai elite actually do this. He thought, oh, that'd be a great

idea for a horror movie. And then if you if you notice in the second I'm not a huge fan of Hostile, but in the second one, it's actually like you get the same Baphomet imagery, and there's a market where they sell the people, and some of the people in that market who have like this little device that only the zillionaires get, right, they bid on the people that they want, and some of them bid to eat them. Right. So if you notice in the second one, it's the same type

of idea. So it's it's like Taken right when they it's also like in Taken how they have their their their auctions. And the other thing I thought was interesting was that the movie came out around the time of the revelations about the things they said about Armie Hammer, right, And I'd heard this for years about Armie Hammer and about armand Hammer, and there was that book.

There's a book the expos of Armond hammerh talks about that he was in SRA and involved in those things, and then the revelations came out about him. By the way, the documentary about that don't if anybody's watching, they don't watch it. It's another it's you know, it's a limb hang because it tries depended on the fact that he was into uh, you know, S

and m stuff, and but they don't go into the things. They don't again, they don't actually go into what is the things that he was into and army which one army, army hammer the actor, and you know he had his secret Instagram, you know all this stuff. But he this guy reminded me of him in the film because he kind of looks like him. He has that air, but he doesn't have the same pedigree that he did.

So it's not it's obviously not about him, but it reminded me of that kind of character where he says he experienced this thing when he was nineteen and he had a secret he couldn't tell anybody, and there's a small community, and then he became a certain and I guess he is a surgeon. Still. During the day, I was wondering, how does he account for like the drugs for instance, right, and then I just thought like,

well, because his clientele controls those things, and so that's yeah. I thought immediately like, there's no way that he could be doing this without the wife being in on it, and so we pretty clearly quickly see that she is in on it. Well, you remember that scene where he comes in he was like so tired and trying to tell her about his day. He has the day job and the night being and yeah, did you remember that

part where she ate the meat ball and she saw the goat? Yeah, she saw she was initiated, right, so she went through the initiation and got Yeah. So this is again like a covenant meal where instead of like the real presence of body and blood of Christ, it's like the satanic inversion of that, where you're feeding like Dracula on other human beings in a predatory

way. And here she's getting this sort of demonic enlightenment initiation and it shows her kind of have this like flash of like seeing all these things, and yeah, she's initiated. So this is what it takes. Though, So my reading of this was that, oh, she's going to have to play his game, right, She's going to have to go through what he's gone

through to beat him. Yeah, she's got out that she has Stockholm syndrome, but she's like playing five D chess trying to she is yeah, and she throws up she she you know, we can see that it's a game. She got the secret message in the Mademoiselle or whatever. Right, if you're reading this, he likes you. So the question is like the person. So we find out that the person who wrote the message. They're on the wall, the trophy wall. We see that person, right, so

we know that that person is gone. And yeah, shouts out to Rachel out there, homegirl Rachel based on homeschool. She said, do I have channel memberships? I got him. I got him almost all the way set up. I just haven't watched it yet, but I'll be launching him soon. I just haven't. I just haven't done it yet. But yeah,

we'll have different membership levels, YouTube membership levels launched. But I wondered about his wife because the girl goes looking, you know, for a friend, and she shows First of all, she shows up at the door of the house, and the way the woman, you know, she asked the questions, you know, get out of here right, like as if the woman looks like she's selling something. First of all, it's only Mormon white women that show up to sell things. That happened to me on a stream one

time they showed up at the door. It's not women that looks like look like this. And she, you know, she looking good. She take care of herself, and she show up, you know, and she goes into the house and immediately she's like, you know, I think you know, your husband is might be involved with my friend. And the woman's like, well, that's strange, interesting, do you want to come in?

It's very weird. Yeah. The next we see her in the house and she's got a glass of water and the woman's not even in the room, like you're gonna leave the stranger you just invited alone in your house in the other room. So that was odd. So she's and plus she was European and looked like she had a wig. I just thought this woman's in on it, like this is clearly the house is too perfect, and the kids

are upstairs, this is too perfect. Well you're sitting there and she's holding in the glass and you're like, don't drink it, don't drink don't drink it. Yeah, don't drink that. Damn If it's bubbly and sparkling and it's purple, don't drink right. So then oh, it was this movie where I was like, that's a good way to get somebody to drink your drugs, like ask him do you taste something special in there? And then taking SIPs like uh, oh is it peach? Is it apricot? And

he's like no, try again. So she just laid down the whole cup drum. Yeah. She wanted so badly for him to be mister right. Yeah, he was mister wrong. So then Steve shows up at the house. By the way, he's not Steve. His name is Brendan. Right, I'm Brendan. Must know that the husband he shows up that I'm I'm Brendan. Yes, I'm here. And then she and then she she she knows the rules of the streets. Right, she called the phone. Phone rings, right, and it says like, Hi, I'm Steve Cannibal.

Right, you shouldn't have done that, bitch. Turn around. Yeah right, Marinka is behind you with the vase or whatever. Right, so she knocks her out. Then we see the skewed angle because now it's the view up from the trunk, right, because we know she's in the trunk. So then my question was the next thing because that goes on to her there the kidnapped girl playing the role of what does it taste like? And then the guy says, you know, that's it, that's all you got.

That was very clever, right, give a little bit, but not too much. Then he comes home from work or whatever, and he cooks her the meal and I thought the meal was going to be the friend Yeah right, right, but I get but it wasn't. Or maybe it was so much like meat stored though he had way too much, so much. Yeah, he's in the backyard chain saw in a rib cage. Yeah right, what the fuck? Well, it's so cross, dude. He only eats women. Yeah, her, he tells her. He's like, yeah,

only women because they are oh the best. Yeah he has Oh, he has standards, right, they taste better, he said, right, yeah, and they can't fight back, so that's probably why. Yeah. Right, Well, it reminds me of the Kirk Barker book that you told me to read, which I read, which is that you know, cannibalism would be gradually normalized as part of the overall satanic agenda. I haven't saying that for since twenty fifteen. Well, we found old podcasts that we did about

it. Yeah, so this is going to be normalized, especially when the famine comes. Yeah, but the the bugs and the human meat cubes and the slave slop. Yeah, she's turned into humans, I guess. But

yeah, so I don't know. So he what you were saying about the vision that she has when she takes the first bite, I thought it was kind of dream dream chrumy, because even though the movie is literally showing this, I still thought it was kind of a metaphor for the the worst thing, right, which was the the energy, you know, the stuff from the brain. Yeah, and il juice from Cure for Wellness means talking about

chrome. Yeah. Yeah. Because she she has this vision of you know, because she goes into like another dimension scene, but you know, it's it's like she's leveled up or leveled down in the hell world like with them, right, And and then I was like, you know, is this is this guy gonna get the Is he gonna get the koru? Is he gonna be you know, rickety all around? And then he kind of explains

that He's like, no, it depends on how it's prepared. Right, He's a he's a great chef, like in the menu, so he must boil out all the whatever. But then they have their love scene, right, they're dancing, they're they're dancing and dancing Richard Marx and they're gonna sleep together and she's not chained, right, she goes in the bathroom like he wants a relationship with her. We also saw the wife by the way, at the house who also is missing a leg. So then I wondered,

was this lady I was thinking, was this late? How did they meet the previous version of the Yeah, exactly, That's what I took it to me too. Yeah, I was thinking that. But then I was thinking, like, or is she did she meet him too? I don't know. I was thinking this scenario. She meets him through plastic surgery, right, She's like, you're kind of sexy. By the way, I'm a European elite. My last name is Dutroux, and you know you're into the

same stuff as me. They want to get married, you know. Yeah, but uh so, anyway, then he seemed to be well connected because when she shows up, she's got that bodyguard dude with her, says, we need to take care of this. Yeah, yeah, bro. If the bodyguard shows up and he's got a French prey down to his shoes, like, that's just like this guy's bad, that's not that's not even that's

weird. They was that these little details of these people where they got something weird, you know, extra long fingernails or they what happened to that guy? Did they? I don't remember Yeah, he just pieced out. Yeah, the bartender. Yeah, he totally pissed out. He was like, I'm looking gone, I got my gt I I'm I'm leaving here. I got you. Uh. We did a Cannibal show back when Jamie and I first met. It was one of our earliest podcasts, and we covered a

bunch of different movies like Society and we also covered Parents. Have you seen that? It's a great eighties v movie. But I know it's got Randy Quay star Whackers in it. It's a Bob Ballaban movie. It's about so it's it's good. It's kind of like this. It's like a campy Culty thing where they're trying to get the kid to eat human meat. They're trying to raise him to be the can kettle, all right, so they're sort of cannibal coult that the kid doesn't want to be a part of it.

I think the worst, uh version of of cannibal thing stuff is I did an announce this of Cormick McCarthy's The Road, yea, the book, and that's uh, that is to me where this stuff ends up, you know, with the world burning and there. I mean, it's it's it's so dark and so disturbing. Uh. But but this one, you know, plays on a kind of artistic and artistic satire. And so they're they're they're about to make love, right, and she pulls a reverse John Wayne Bobbitt,

She pulls a John Wayne Hobbit on him. Uh, and and then he turns into an immediate monster, so we see glimpses of his face. I thought this was clever in the movie, that it's very subtle, but people describe, you know, how like that. You know, Bundy's physiognomy

would change, right, and he would turn into this monster. And he had he was you know, he was involved in he had did these kinds of activities, and he does that when this happens to him, right, he turns into kind of a ghoulish monster, and he says he's gonna cut her heart out and all this stuff. And then she I thought it was interesting how she went downstairs to rescue the other girls, right, and then they try and leave, and they really I thought this was cool how they

fought back. You know, it was pretty clever because uh, they really, I mean a third of the movie is fighting and then they escape. One of the girls has no legs, she got no ass, you know. They walk out in the backyard and then he's got a gun, right, he's firing into the wilderness, and he says, you lied to me, right, you lie? Oh yeah, he was totally but her and betrayed, even though yeah, there was there was two people but hurt in this. I guess, well, that was the least believable thing about the

whole movie. You would die from a wound like that, You can't just from me. I don't understand how he did that. And then like a few days later, she's up dancing with him. That seemed a little Yeah, well because I guess because you know he's a mister you know, elite, the plastic surgeon. He caught her eyed, he said, he caught her eyes. The wound he puts her He slaps her butt into a bucket, that's what he was like. No, yeah, and he's like,

you know, you need some more demo. All that'll hop So that helped her, right, she at least he's on drugs, I guess, having to go through this hell. Uh. And but then they're out in the wilderness, right, and then the phone glow. She gets the phone like as if she could use it, right, But she gets the phone, like, just just get rid of the guy all together in one place, right, don't try and escape into the woods like you got the meat tender

eyes are there? I mean, come on right, that's the classic movie. Foil Is like, once you got him down, just finish him off. Man. Well, another funny detail was how the friend was texting her, and it was clearly him replying on the phone. Right, She's like, where are you? I'm going after the he has a he's married, and he's like, oh snaps, really, what are you going to do? Question mark? So it was him, yeah, replying in the text

message. But anyway, then the the wife shows up and then that's when it really turned because when she kills her with the shovel, right, she says, you ought a worst kind of woman, right, The women should stick together. So they killed a woman. The pat you know, mister Apache or whatever, pieces out and that's it. I guess it's over. So that so that was fresh, Okay. A couple of loose ends, like the bodyguard and I thought that they were going to run into the bartender

in the driveway and he was going to help him escape. Well, I guess the bodyguard probably has to go back and let the Pyramid people know what's going on, right, because he also says at one point he's like, yeah, you don't want to screw up the order with these people or something like that, like they'll they'll they want to eat this guy. Oh oh, I know what happened to him. She said, she said when she found her, and she said, you need to put this body on ice.

Oh okay, So so he was the next meal, right, and that's when you see at the end as the elite, Yeah feasting. Yeah, they're feasting on him, I guess. So okay, So all right, y'all, I'll like to share out there. We got one more movie to do here, and this is probably the most well known and most successful of these movies. This is get Out. This was Jordan Peele's first movie. He also did Us, you guys covered Us, and I just did the movie that he produced, which is the Candyman reboot, which I thought

was surprisingly good. And he also did Nope, the which was you know, the fake alien movie. But this movie I thought it was interesting that that you know that the movie proceeds are almost always you know, it's it's always fake numbers. Right, Oh the movie costs three hundred million dollars. Yeah, right, Well, this movie apparently, and it says this in the on the page that it's it costs four and a half million dollars to produce, and it made like two hundred and fifty five million. So I

thought that was interesting. I never see that with movies. But it was very it was very successful. And this is Jordan Peele's get out. So what did you? What did you? What's your What do you guys think? Is right off the bat to me? It I mean I saw it when it came out, and I thought I focused on the m kilter elements. Rewatching it, it felt very again woke horror, which is kind of annoying to me just as a film. Though I don't think it's a bad

film. Some of the elements are kind of I didn't really care for the ending, but overall, I thought I had some interesting themes and symbolic significance. I mean, he seems to really focus on these kind of apocalyptic horror themes and what he does. You know, if you think about especially something like us, and there's elements of us that I like, that's probably my favorite of his so far. I didn't think Nope was. I mean, Nope was okay. I thought it was a lot of people think it's a

really good film. I thought it was just kind of mediocre. But this one actually kind of like it better than Nope. I think it's what'd you say, well, I think it's I was thinking of us when they had hands across America right that the Cloning movie. Yeah, I thought this was. I thought it was clever. You know, it was pretty clever and original because it went to the place where I suppose when any of anybody watching this, you know, anybody like that's into this kind of thing, you

watch the trailer and you sort of know. You figure it's gonna go to this place, but you don't really know if they're going to show it. And they actually did with this movie, and I thought it was I thought it was pretty clever how they managed to get to that place and show what do you mean, well, to show the actual you know, we're gonna do mk ultra. You know we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna

take you know, I like it. No, this is this is the actual, like the this is like the Nazi experiment of the putting the head of a dog on another body. Right, that's one of the things they really did. But this is now they're gonna do with humans. Yeah, it was like West World season two. Right, We're gonna take the thing and then somebody else is gonna inhabit your body to live forever. Right, And they actually did. I couldn't believe that they that they that they showed

that. I didn't, you know, I thought, how are they gonna Is it gonna veer off and go somewhere else? Is it gonna go too wek or whatever. But the first scene in the movie is interesting because the guy's walking down the street in the nice neighborhood, right, and that and he doesn't appear till much later in the film, but he's walking down the street. There's a he's taught, you know, he's got a date or whatever. We don't know what's going on. And then the Porsche pulls up,

playing the playing the Run, Rabbit Run. You know this the old thirties honky talk music in a Porsche is not good. That's that's like a rich neighborhood. Yeah, it's like it's like hearing somebody pull up listening to the lat Laws in the van, and then so so the van door, you know, he backs up and he's like, oh fuck this, I'm out of here. Right, he tries to turn around. The door opens up and we see a guy in a medieval helmet, you know, put

him in a choke hold. And then that's it, right, don't want to see a montage of this time. The modern art is photography. So Jordan Pield does this a lot. He does this in in Candy Man too, which is an artist? An artist is the one who's supposed to be the conduit for our vision of the future, right and the sort of the zeit geist, I guess. And then we see the pictures. We hear childish gambino, we hear redbone playing, and then we see that he his

girlfriend is Brian Williams's daughter. I flew in do Iraq under fire, right, what's the name of the grind? Yeah, it's his daughter, yeah, and uh and she seems to be perfect right again, She's all like when you go on the date and she's all smiles and she's saying everything right, It's just yeah, I don't know, I don't know. She's like the guy from fred Yeah, and so they're gonna go away for the weekend to the Horror hotel and they do, and they get on the road.

She's driving, he's got a text his homeboy who works for the TSA. Right, he's gonna you know, he's the comic relief in the film. And they hit a deer and uh, you know, we see it's a tough scene. I hate scenes like this in films. But the deer pops up later in the film, right when he's in the Ludovico technique chair looking at the eyes of the deer, So he's gonna be the roadkill, right or something by it, and he sees that as at odd. Yeah,

that doesn't face her. And then they get there to the house and he meets the parents. The dad's like, oh, yeah, we're over populated with deer. We got to get rid of him, which is a subtle hint that he thinks that black people, right, And then he says, oh, yeah, we got a bunch of black mold in the basement. So he's dropping all these racist hints, right the dad. Yeah, the cop also, the cop, I need to see your ID, right,

why do you need to see his ID? He's just a passenger. And then they get yeah, but of course the dad covers it with the bullshit of you know, oh, my dad would have voted for Obama again three times, like and it's like, okay, and he's got the you know, he's got his his fifties mad men. Sey Glass. He's playing this like he's playing the white liberal, right, the upper class white liberal. Yeah. Did you recognize that actor? The dad? I don't remember what

he's Bradley Whitford. He plays the guy from the Adam Sandler movie Billy Madison. He's the villain in Billy Madison. Okay, and they had to do the game show, right, and the yeah. And the wife, of course, is in another one of these movies, which is Being John. She yeah, she was in Being John Malcolm I think, which is another movie about inhabiting another person. Right. The elites want to live for you

know, or whoever wants to live so they so yeah. So then so they're at the house, right, and you know, they sit down, they have their little sit down. He's met the parents and then all of a sudden, oh, there's there's a party this weekend. And a train of black cars pulls up, which is very like they're going and they're all in black like they're going to a funeral, and note that there's a lot of red everybody. And then also they point out that they're very concerned that

he smokes, overly concerned, and he doesn't. He notices that it's odd, but he doesn't understand why. He's like, yeah, okay, well, I'm gonna quit. Eventually they're like, no, no, you need to quit now. And then this becomes the basis for her hypnosis. Right. She hypnotizes, Oh, I can hypnotize you and help you stop smoking, and he's like, okay, whatever. It's like, first of all, look, I'm gonna keep smoking, all right, And the fact that

you're telling me I need to quit means I'm gonna keep going. And also you're I just met your mom and she's a hypnotist with a teacup. I'm out of here. Yeah. Right, brother is weird and calls him a beast and talks about his genetics. Remember the brother a UFC fight right away? Yeah, So Caleb Landry Jones shows up and he's got a he's a lacrosse bro by the way, He's he's fiddling with a lacrosse stick. I'm

like, bro, this guy la cry, I'm a lax bro. This guy, this guy's not This guy's not a mini all right, but he's a lax bro right, and he's very aggressive. Right, he's the he's the bad boy. He shows up late or whatever. He's clearly the guy that was in the Weird Night at Mask who kidnapped the other guy. Yeah. So so he's the enforcer for the family. And then we also meet the maid, right, who's probably the best part in the whole movie.

Would you like some tea? Right? And that's when we learned that it's the hypnotic thing is going to go with this because when he takes the picture and flashes the camera, it triggers her back to reality. I guess she's been sucked back up out of the upside down and the real person inside of hers, you know. Yeah. The scared of the scene in this that really bothered me is I hate movies where there's somebody running at you really fast.

Right. The guy goes out in the dark and the gardener's outside running right at him. Right. That that that bothers who we find out is the granddad, right, yes, yes, the granddad from Seinfeld Yeah, so she's a hypnotist and she's using forced association and trauma and yeah, put him in the sunken place. Yeah, I thought that was weird. Well that's to prepare him to write, to be docile and controlled for the brain transplant. But I don't understand it, Like, if they took his brain

out, why is his consciousness still in there? Because you're not just your brain, You're also there's more to you. And that's why at one point they say, well there's still a sliver of that person still in there. Were they taking out the whole brain? I thought they were doing a kind of uh drino thing where they were taking out the one chunk or one part. So his brain is still there functioning, but the part with his consciousness

is being replaced. I just thought it was like the tiny Yeah, but it's the same it functions, is the same thing though, Yeah, you're right, And what else happens? Yeah, So, like you were saying, Jamie, you know, the forced he dissociates to the place where he's in the sunken place, which is a kind of hellish abyss full of the black goo world in a way. It's total darkness. It's it's Miltonian, right, He's in a totally which is the realm of the dead, the

underworld, seeing seeing life through a window. You remember when Kanye was talking about this all the time, he was bringing up the sunken but they got me into sunken place, he said that. Yeah, yeah, he said it a bunch of times. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, you can tell you just watched the movie and right, yeah, but the friend, the TSA friend was joking about sex colts and then come to find out that the first guy that got kidnapped was actually sold to a old old boomer who

wanted a house slave sex person. Mm hmm yeah yeah, and we get the we get the Tyresia's character. We get the blind the blind seer. Right, so he's blind, but he wants to I want to. I don't want any of that stuff. These people are you know, these people are realist. I want your eye man, yeah, right, he wants his artistic vision. But he meets all those you know, all the greatest generation are people there. Let's see your golf fringe, right, and the

sexy woman, right, the woman he's got big muscles. This is in right now, this is popular. I don't know why he didn't leave way earlier, because everybody was acting sus from the very beginning. It's just well because he was he liked the girl, and he thought, well, this is just her weird family. I like her enough, I'm gonna put up with this. I just got to get through this weekend and then go home. And but then eventually I's like, all right, now I've had enough,

so it's time to get out of here. This is too much. And then she's like, oh, sorry, I can't give you the keys. But he's he feels responsible for his mom dying. That's his trauma remembory. Yeah, and that's what the mom already knew that about him because the girlfriend had gotten all this out of him. So he can't abandon his girlfriend with her weirdo family. He wanted normality, He wanted a structure and family, and aside from all the weirdness, it's like you don't want to believe.

And the problem with these movies is that the person always experiences this disconnect because they don't want to be rude. Right the bad things are happening and you can see him happening, but you don't want to be rude and walk away, so you just want to stay and you know it's not going to turn out that way, because it won't usually, but in this case it does. And all the flags are there and his friend is telling him, but even his friend telling him, you know, these people involved in a

cult, you know, that's what the white people do. Well, I mean, we can see that he's right, but you're not going to believe him in the same way that the cops didn't believe him when he went to the cops, because he makes the mistake of talking in a kind of schizo clownish way about when he starts dropping jokes right the friend, he's like, I work for the TSA, so we know more than you guys do, probably, you know. And at that point they're like mm hmm, yeah

yeah. And that was the same as in Fresh Right. Oh, so your friend went on a date out of town with their significant other, you know, and and now you're worried about them. Okay, sounds like, yeah, the option I'm going to believe you in the horror world. Yeah, but uh, I like the fact that when they do get him, and they've got him, you know, in the chair, and they're making him watch the creepy instructional video about welcome. Uh, it's just like in

the invitation, it's like, welcome. You might be wondering why you're sitting in this chair. Well, my my ancient order has figured out how to transfer conscious and he calls it an order, so we know it's actually a kind of a bloodline occult order here, which again is reminiscent of what some of the s s actually tried to do. Well, he called it the Koala procedure, right, but he said there's an order and they do alchemy. Yeah, all hail the coagula and this creepy like the g Maxwell character

procuring victims, right, Yeah, she's a sex honey. She's a honey trap to trap the you know, the next meat. And then he discovers that that's the horror scene is when he figured he finds all the old pictures of all the other guys that she's seduced. I thought it was interesting.

So when he's on the TV explaining the whole thing, he's like phase one hypnotism, Phase two, mental preparation, Phase three transmutation, and this like overlays perfectly to culture creation and trauma based my control and MK ultra is the

the plan like first hypnotize, then prepare, and then transmit. Mm. The deer, I thought the deer had a you know, it's like aside from him being the prey, right and the over you know, the overpopulation, I guess the deer is like I was thinking about Robert Graves and and and it's also in Arthurian stuff, the white heart they see, but they see the heart, the h Art heart, right, which functions as again it's like a psychopomp. It's it's a harbinger of of like illumination and so

and that literally is what happens because the guy is going to see. He's blind but now he can see. But it's through stealing the corpus of someone else and burying the other psyche inside of oneself, which I guess is what the psychiatrist is trying to say when she's like, you know, you know, the hypnotic part is like, oh, you've got this trauma buried inside of you. I'm going to help you realize it and be okay with it. But in reality it's just a suffersion of even that, right, which

is we're just going to bury you inside this body. So so yeah, so he's what happens. I mean, he's he's tied up, and then he finds the fuzz inside the inside the old sp or whatever that he's tied to, and then he puts that in his ears. So now he now the the psychic tap tap tap, which, by the way, we drive you insane anyway, I do not like the tea cup that drove me crazy? Was so was the tea cup like Alice in Wonderland? Oh good point, you know. So he's at the tea party and he goes through them

through the doorway into the dark. He's in he's in the other side of the mirror. I mean he's looking at the television, so that's the other side of the mirror. Also, he's looking at the image. He's constantly all these movies, they are always constantly looking out the window, and the window functions like he's looking in the mirror at himself. But there's another world beyond it that he has to go out into. He tries, he goes out. It's outside at night, and that's where the God runs at him,

you know. And we're wondering what we find out. These people are all other victims of this. Again, we we have weird. What's the girl listening to when she's on her computer, like looking for the next tender day. She's listening to the like Belinda Carlisle or something ridiculous the time I've never failed this way before, the sauce with It's so true and not o'd

all to you. Yeah, so she's like exactly what a white girl would be listening, right, Yeah, she wants to find her swazy right, but she's got well anyway, So so she's already looking for the next victim. Right. She has changed her whole appearance and demeanor from like a cool girl who doesn't mind dating black guys to super waspy anal like eating one piece of cereal at a time with a glass of milk. Yeah right, Yeah, Well, she's prepping for the next person that she's gonna and the brother

is the assistant, right, he's the assistant downstairs. He's gonna come prep him and he gets knocked He gets knocked out, right, he's going to come back, a true horror Trump. He's going to come back. But I like that he Uh. The deer is also the deer with the you know, the deer antlers are a Chekhov's gun. Right, we see the sharp objects on the wall, so that's gonna come back. The deer head, right, trophy, that's significant that he's going to lose his head.

Right. I forgot to mention the last movie, the the keys that the girl has in the dark alleyway she stabs the guy in the neck and the juggler with the keys, which was weird. But in this one, it's like, how is he going to get out of this? What's he going to use? Because you're always thinking of that in the movies. What's he going to use to get out? And he runs the guy through like a battering ram. But like, you know, so take my take this head

instead. I guess that would be so heavy though. I don't know if you could run with they're not no, this is not this pelica handle. Run with the deer head in your hand. Yeah, well, especially if they're gonna cut your head off and take your brain. So yeah, like if they're gonna do that to you, like I'm taking I'm picking up a safe and knock it in on. The guy said, I don't care what it is, right, I'm knocking this guy out, and and he gets out and then he you know, he what does he do to the woman?

I forget what he does to the woman. He's got a lunch for the tea cup, all the tea cups on the table. He's got to knock the tea cup off the table. I forget how she dies. He takes care of the The brother comes back to life. He bashes his head in bash his head, and then he gets in the car and goes out, and the he runs over the woman, right, the woman, the weird woman. He puts her in the car, so he saves her.

Yeah, right, So I guess he's gonna try. He's gonna go home and take some pictures of her and then that'll flash her back to who she really is. And then uh, and then what is the woman? What does the girl do? The girlfriend? She gets in the car. Oh, she she got a gun. Mm hmm, she gets a gun. Yeah. Yeah, And then he gets saved by the friend who shows up.

Right, this kind of diosx mac and I guess with the friend, we wondered if there wasn't a cut scene because he just shows up in a cop car, like, so there probably was a scene where he, you know, grabbed a cop car and fled or something. Because the cops wouldn't believe him. Yeah, because in real life, the cops would have been with him. So there had to be a scene that was cut or something. Yeah, I'm taking this mother. Yeah, and then they drive off

into the darkness and everything's all right. So the destination was death for the other people. But thankfully, you know, he escaped or whatever, and that's it. Let's get out. He got out. Yeah. Right. But also it's like people are in my head, get out of my head, right, yeah, yeah, and they can put on some young boy in the car. They don't have to listen to you know, run Rabbit Run, which is interesting because the rabbit right, so they're down, they're

going down the rabbit hole. Rabbit Run was also you guys were talking about Witches of east Wick the other night and uh, which which John Updyke wrote a book called Rabbit Rabbit Run, Uh, North Northeastern establishment mixed in with you know, Witches of Wick, which is which is in the book is literal witchcraft. They're they're actually performing the book. Yeah, it's a lot

that the book kind of satire. Is it darker? The book is darker, Yeah, the book is way darker and it's pretty clever because they you know, we we know that the Jack Nicholson character in the book that shows up is clearly Satany. He shows up in a church and he subverts the natural order of things, and they do have the religious character, but who

is awake to this? But then they the witches do spells and they kill her and they're they're like overtly performing spells and doing kind of eyeswad shut they at the house. And then the point is that he subverts the order, they all kind of destroy themselves, and then he moves on to another place. And so it's it's a lot different from the film. They made it much more, you know, try to make it much more playful in the film. But the book was not bad. I was surprised by a book.

Oh good, the book was. But there's kind of a you can't help but see a sort of reference into that, a literary reference, you know, illusion into that with the song, even though it's not overt that. You know, there's a strato society and then he's escaping back into I guess urban modern world and leaving the elites to themselves because the people the other the other old people at the party are going to go on regardless, right, So I guess they'll go on and live until their bodies die. They

find some other member of the coagula right to help him keep going. But that's about it for those moves, any takeaways, any anything else you guys want to. I apologize. I'm uh my third stream today, so yeah, I'm kind of voice. All right, it's Friday night. We do a little night screaming here. Thanks everybody. I really appreciate you'all. You'll want to stick around for just a second while I do a super chess real

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po. It's supposed to be po, but it's again, it's elites having all the same things we've just described. You remember, r al Stein, I was all into spooky fiction when I was a kid, like uh, dream fear Street and Christopher Pike, those like young adult authors. What about scary stories to tell in the dark and the girls wears the necklace and then she takes off and her head falls off. That's the one. The Monkey's Paul was it. But yeah, the spookiest thing that you read, I

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