All right, as you know, we've done the David Lynch Dune. We did a podcast and we did a fairly in depth analysis back here in this old video you can see that I did about four years ago, and it's called Dune Explained, Full Film Novel Analysis, and that really focused on the first novel, which, if you don't know, Dune, written by Frank Herbert, is the biggest selling sci fi series of all time. Particularly Dune
is the most popular science fiction single volume book of all time. And I would make an analogy to Lord of the Rings kind of what Lord of the Rings is to fantasy, the Dune series is to science fiction. And I grew up watching the David Lynch Dune and I've always liked it. People hate on it, but even David Lynch doesn't like. I'm not a fan of doone. I don't want to speak about it, but you gotta love the little four year old psycho version of Aliah hang out, can ye kick?
We got ya the rat? I like everything about the David Lynch version. I don't understand why people hate on it. I listened to somebody's podcast and they said that they watched the movie. It didn't make sense and that's because they were watching the modern truncated versions. You got to watch the three slash four hour special versions of it. I'm coughing up spice, of course. I was drinking my spice coffee this morning and it got me a hacking up.
So Dune, as we know is Frank Herbert's late sixties science fiction masterpiece novel. And the reason it's unique is that, Number one, it's a well written book. It's very complicate. Much like Lord of the Rings, Dune will require you to actually pay attention. You'll have to listen to sections
more than once, you will have to do decoding work. It requires an esoteric analysis because it's extremely complex plot wise, it deals with multiple philosophical and scientific ideas and religious ideas in a perennialist fashion throughout a series of kind of Game of Thrones the type stuff. I feel like, I'm not a huge Game of Thrones fan, but the way that Game of Thrones approaches power struggles and courtly intrigue and espionage very reminiscent of what you have in doing, and
there's a little bit of that in Lord of the Rings. But Dune is much more of an adult and sophisticated presentation of these types of narratives and archetypes than Lord of Rings says. Now, I'm not knocking Lord of the Rings. I think it's a masterpiece, obviously full of a lot of depth and symbolism and neoplatonism, as we've talked about in the past, but what we have with Herbert to Dune is very different. It's a very different approach to
religion. We're going to see a lot of influences of Nietzsche, of as you said, perennialism, Sufism, Islam, Far Eastern philosophies like Chi and Zen ideas. I know Chi is an ideas now philosophy, but these are ideas that will recur. Other ideas too that were probably kind of revolutionary for the time in terms of quantum physics and whatnot. The idea of reality being at a fundamental level energy and energy in different forms, and that seems to
be what Herbert is working with as a physics and metaphysics for history. Will also notice that it's kind of a It's a classic heroes tale, sure, but it's also a classic Hubris tale in the Greek sense of being concerned with leadership temptations. What are the primary things that bring down a dynasty? I
would say that's the main kind of practical theme of Doom. But even though we've covered Dune in depth and we'll rehearse a little bit of that, today's discussion is not actually about Dune. I don't want to talk about the villain Neu Dune. You can't say I've been saying for years Dennis villain Aweva, because that's how it's rode out. You know what I'm saying. When I read it, rode out, that's what's triggered in my mind. And then
all of the know it alls come along. Uh, you don't know knowing about movies, because you mispronounced his name is Villani Okay, whatever, villain U, Dennis Villainu. Who will be doing not just the sequel to Dune, which is not the book sequel, it's the second half of part one.
The sequel is Dune Messiah, which I just finished, and it was really profound for me because at the same time as I was reading Dune Messiah, I was going through Italy and seeing a lot of influence of the state in the church historically speaking, as you know, I did a little bit of analysis of this text, The Christian East and the Rise of the Papacy by Papa Doachus and Mayendorff in the first seventy pages or so, is really
in depth analysis of the Gregorian reforms and how the papacy was revolutionized by becoming this sort of autocracy in the eleventh century. And then you had this Germanic control of the papacy for about one hundred years where the popes were basically appointed via nepotism and via kingly control out of Germany. That's in the eleventh century, people like Henry and popes like Leo the ninth and Gregory the seventh, the famous pope of Dictatus pape whereas I've likened him in the past to the
first to proclaim himself with the Quiza Tadak, the god Emperor. So there are a lot of parallels to Dune, because Dune is, as we know, a sophisticated story where Herbert's exploration of religion is not just as either true or false, but viewed from different perspectives by different people in different power structures
and strata of society. For example, the elite in Dune, this would be the chom space Navigating Guild, the people that use the spice as a kind of commodity and fuel to fold space to travel, and they have a kind of monopoly over space travel. The Guild, the Guild navigators with the big old a JJ face, you know, the fishy of the JJ face. Guys, if you remember Dune by David Lynch, them boys in the
big tanks. The Emperor is the universe is ruled by the Emperor Pottish Shah Shaddam the Shot pottas Shot Emperor Shaddam the Fourth, the Korino Emperor, Emperor of the known Universe. And what's interesting as you get into the second novel, if you just read the first one, or just watch the first movies A Part one, you don't really get the full arc of Paul because Paul, as we'll find out, isn't as much of a hero as you might
think. And this is fascinating because it really distinguishes Paul from a kind of a christ figure that you think he might be. If you watch the David Lynch version, as you know, it ends with Paul victorious over the Emperor and the Harconans, and he sort of gives them an ultimatum. He kills Sting by, you know, saying he's the Word of God or whatever, and then Sting splits in half or what. And it's a very memorable scene. I've always liked that scene of thought, Oh, that's kind of cristological,
isn't it, Because he's calling himself the Word of God. And we we have in the Fremen, who are the native wild desert folk of the planet Dune irakus. We have the Fremen with this prophecy as you know, who believe that the Quisat's Haderak, Theleson al Ghib, the voice from the auto worlds, who will come and bring jihad, holy war, to cleanse
the universe for righteousness. And this is where we verge out of Christology much more into Islamic theology, because Paul actually becomes this Muhammed type of character who wittingly or unwittingly acquiesces to a timeline wherein there's a universal jihad that ends up killing like sixty billion people or something like that, some crazy space number of
sixty billion people across the known universe. But in the first story, in the first Dune, we just see Paul asked the kind of savior figure the hero archetype who undergoes an initiation, right, and he undergoes an initiation through taking the spice and then through the drinking of the the water of life, which is the vial of the worm. The giant worms on dune, which look like giant you know what's you know what I mean? I'm talking about
giant hot dogs. What were you thinking, you damn perv. Get out of here, you damn perv. Now I'm talking about giant hot dogs on aracus that I have a picture of. I'm trying to see out a picture of any hot dogs on a ragas when them hot doalds from Oracas. Please no mustard extra buns. I'm not seeing any of the worms. So I did a whole bit. There we go. Is that a worm? No? Anyway, a little dou right, that's a shrimp. That's a shrimp off aracus. You got to put them in an in a pie boyd at
at about thirty five hundred degree and you get that. You get that doom shrimp. Forgot what I was talking about, doom shrimp. I'm still sick. Excuse me, dreams are messages from the deep. Anyway, I'm talking about the different strata of society. That's what it was and how they all
view religion in their own way. And I'm not aware of a sci fi novel that really has that much depth, and I guess that's one of the reasons why people who are probably on the Spergatron scale like this novel this series a lot. The Emperor in his crew, he runs a giant warrior cult known as the Starter Car. They are a kind of warrior mystics, knights who will go out in a very pagan, blood thirsty Viking way, and
in Brazil they were influenced by berserkers and they'll just basically slaughter everyone. They're raised on a prison planet called Seleusa Secundas, where people are trained and bred in horrible situations from youth to be Sardocar, the Emperor's shock troops, super soldiers. The origin I'm pretty sure I've heard Lord Voldemar say this, probably fifteen years ago, but the title for prison planet came from Doune right. I remember, folks, have you ever read Dune? It tells you everything,
and that's really why we're covering Doune right. Dune does tell us everything you could I could say, everything I know about geopolitics I learned from Doune, because you're going to see every area of societies, particularly traditional societies with nobility, aristocracy, bloodlines and all of that. That's fundamental to the first story one. And not only that, the occult plays a key role in
it. And this is where I'm very confident in that with the character of Herbert, he had to have been influenced by quite a bit of nineteen sixties perennialism, esotericism and ocultism. We know, for example, that the spice milange, the resource that is both a fuel to make you travel through space a quick way in a quick way, folding space. It's not only a fuel, it's also a powerful hallucinogen that expands consciousness and extends life, and
it gives you the blue within blue eyes. So yes, I have been taking my spice, as you can see. So for as we said, the different strata of society, not only do they want to control religion, and that's the witch cult, and there's a group of which is known as
the Beni Jesra's Sisterhood. They're a very powerful order, which is who have mastered these different techniques such as telepathy and what they call the Weirding way, which is this will to power where you speak something and you overpower someone else, or you speak a killing word and your word, if is amplified of the right frequency, can break bones, break stones, and so forth. So kind of a tesla notion of frequencies that can split glass or split ass.
You know what I'm saying. If you've got to just take somebody out, you just use that Weirding way. And I like the way they did that in the David Lynchtein that was enjoyable. We don't get a lot of that in the new version. But regardless, we do have this different strata
of society. And in regard to the witch cult, the Beni jesra At Sisterhood, they have seeded throughout the universe through their what they call the missionary of Protectiva, the protective Missionaries. They have seeded throughout the generations, their own religious mythology. And they've done that because they want to control the universe's super being, the Quizats Hayderak when they produce him, and they are producing
him through generations and generations of intermarriage and genetic manipulation. So they want to marry the people to the right people to produce better, fitter, more elite
offspring. And this, of course is the attitude that we have of a lot of the elite and history, particularly as you get into the Victorian period with the rise of Malthusianism and eugenics and so forth, the idea being that if we can interbreed and intermarry more and more selectively, we can produce, you know, basically these dexter level super psycho beings, and we get quite a bit of that in Dune, So I think Herbert was very aware of
that's the elite modus operana. That is how the elite operating in terms of their mystical bloodline philosophy that they have. And in the case of Dune, as you know, this plan of the coven of the Sisterhood is interrupted because Jessica, the mother of Paula Tredes, the protagonist, she decides to go ahead and have a male child, and she was instructed to put the male children to death until they had produced the university super being, whom they thought
would be presumably a girl. Thus the most powerful being would be under the control of the witches of the ben and Jesuit's sisterhood and then they could by proxy be the power behind the throne. When they produced the universe's girl boss, the Super Slay Queen. We didn't get that though. Get the male offspring who's not supposed to exist, and Jessica decides, in a very Moses type situation not to put into death, so she protects the child saves him.
There's a lot of Moses imagery as well. Moses goes into the desert, Paul ends up with his mom going off into the desert into the wilderness, so we see a lot of Biblical imagery that does pop up. And if you don't know, the future religion of Doune is a syncretized version of
Islam and Catholicism as well as other influences like Stoicism and Zen. So they actually call it the Orange Catholic Bible, which is this collection of kind of random mystical texts, some from the Bible, some from Islam and the Quran, which has produced this future religion. Again, we're in the year ten one ninety one, which is twenty thousand years into the future from where we are today, so they have some other or you know, space nerdy way
to date things. So it's not the year twenty one one, it's ten, which is for some reason ten thousand year, twenty thousand years in the future. Well, one thing that's fascinating, as we said, aside from the geopolitical stuff and the attempt to control the resources, and it's all about that, right, which is controlling the spice, because whoever controls the spice
and utilizes it effectively will be the most powerful force in the universe. And at this time it is the emperor who runs things through his fealty by the various noble houses called the lands rod and the noble houses submit to the emperor, but they also have a power to kind of stand against the emperor if all of them, for example, felt that the Emperor was doing something wrong. So it's the possibility is always there of lesser nobility right standing up against
even the emperor of the known universe. Paul is this figure who, as we said, is the archetype. He's the hero we think in the first novel, he suffers from a lot of defects and flaws in doing Messiah, which shows a significant departure from him being any kind of christ like figure.
He's very christ like in certain ways in Dune. But then we get a very fallen, machiavellian uber Minsch type of figure in doing Messiah, and he doesn't completely become a villain, but he has villainous traits, but he ends up ultimately being good. So I won't spoil that or explain how he ends up being good. But but Paul, as we know, has been born out of the plan of the Witches, so he's he's thrown up a middle finger to the Vishes from the beginning them wish bishes and from an early day,
Paul has dreams and visions. Right, He's this mystical figure who who will kind of like the starter car. He's not a starter car, but he will be a kind of mystical warrior poet figure. And he sees visions. He sees the future. He sees himself with his future girlfriend Chauni, you know, from the tribe of the Fremen. He sees himself in different timelines based on what he chooses as he gets more and more exposed to the spice. So the Spice transforms Paul into a I guess we could say kind
of like a Greek god in a way. It's much more pagan than any notion of a biblical god. He's not uncreated. It's more of an adoptionist or nestorian view right where he gradually discovers his own godhood. But for Herbert, the theology of this universe and un presumably of his own philosophy and worldview, it's not stable. He's more of a process philosophy proponent. And so that's why he sees all the religions really just kind of blending together and expressing
some higher inexpressible truth. And this is where we get the idea of it being perennials, or what's where I get it right, the philosophia parenthis Now,
perennialism existed prior to the nineteen sixties. It existed, you could argue in various ways, going back to people like Marsilio Ficino or Picodilla Mirandola in the Renaissance period because of its fixation on neoplatonism and so in a just a very general sense, perennial philosophy is referred to as the perennial wisdom perspective in philosophy and spiritualogy that views religious traditions as sharing some higher single metaphysical truth or
origin. Right, So like the religions are like the skeleton of a higher source. They're the frontist piece, and they're all kind of expressing the same ideas in the way that we know what that high truth is is through some sort of esoteric metaphysical knowledge. So you'll notice in a lot of the perennialists the focus on metaphysics, and by perennialists, it's kind of it's not that easy to really define. Some people might say neoplatonists are perennialists. Some people
might critique that. Some people might say, you know, people like Reneganon or Friedolf Schwan, those are really the sort of archetypal perennial philosophy guys of the twentieth century. And the idea originates in the Renaissance, where people say, well, maybe there's you know, truth in all religions, and so there's truth in all religions, and there must be some higher true religion.
And this, I think is why you see people like Huxley, who many people don't think Huxley was really a Prentalist, but he did write a book called The Primial Philosophy, which was his eventual acceptance of Vedanta right, he did accept Adveta Vendanta. And so you'll find that most of the time that the perennialists, not always most of the time that are inspired by Neoplatonism, Sufism, mystical Islam, and things like Vedanta and esoteric aspects of Hindu philosophy.
But there's overlap with a lot of other traditions, Elusinian mysteries, people like Hermestris Magistus. There's a lot of different overlaps in areas where people can say it's perennial philosophy. But this is why we can see, for example, elements of traditionalism or the Traditionalist school and perennialism in Herbert, even though Herbert doesn't have anything to do with Vedanta. For whatever reason, there's no
I'm not aware of any Hindu imagery. It's typically Christianity in Islam and various forms of Far Eastern mysticism like zen that pop up, although at times we do have mention of future apologists. Ten thousand years from now. He become famous as a schism of Christianity known as Stoic Christianity. So he envisioned this future universe where there was all kinds of schisms and heresies, and it kind of reminds me of who's that Mormon dude, the guy that wrote Enders Game?
Right, if you remember Enders Game, it's like there's a planet of Mormons, there's a planet of Catholics. It's kind of like that. That idea is probably borrowed from what you see in Dune, where you have basically different schisms and heresies and religions in space, religions in splays and in the Dune series, we're not I mean, there's six of these and they're really complex. So we're just talking about the first two. We get off into
all kinds of crazy sex and spin offs. In the later installments, we'll get another religion called the Church of Madib, but we're going to get Madiba's poul A Treatees by the way. We'll get in another religion called the Elixir of Life religion, the Golden the Golden Way or something, the Golden Chalice or something like that. But that's all for the later installments when we get
into the era of Poll's Children, Children of Doom. But so that's the background from a traditionalist perspective, and in my view, somebody was saying in one of their analyzes, oh, it's largely Sunni. There are mentions of Sunni type ideas, I guess with Jahad and whatnot. But the tendency amongst
the freemen is full of a lot of paganism. And the drug element, to me suggests a very obvious Sufi connection, because there are elements of Sufism, especially in Afghanistan, where they still have a place for imbibing, you know, pretty hardcore drugs, going on trips and getting wisdom from you know,
smoking opium. I mean, Afghanistan is a big opium region, and I think that although the spice is not a one to one with any specific thing, we know that it's based in part on LSD and shrooms according to Herbert. But I mean the control of drugs as a resource is also I think pretty obvious in the story. And that's why linking it to Sufism in Afghanistan is interesting because there you have the mystical use at times it's not widespread, but at times of opium. And so let's go back to my original
analysis where I talked about the novel's usage of Islam mysticism. Is it brings to mind ancient Afghani Sufism, and I'll explain why because it reminded me of the Gould and Fitzgerald book that's really good called Invisible History, which details the importance of Afghanistan's role in the Middle East and geopolitical power moves of the last few centuries. And it's not just because of the drug tare. There's also
a mystical significance that a lot of people don't know about. And I think this plays into Herbert's novel because there's a lot of what we could say is kind of gnostic and aluminous tendencies in Herbert's novel. I mean, Paul's pathway to becoming a demi god is principally through the hallucinogenic ritual initiation experiences that he has with the Spice, which again is basically LSD. So we're we're not
just in some sort of pure rationalist or bookish Islam. We are in a pagan ish islam Ish catholicism Ish religion where you can attain this sort of status through direct drug experience, through mystical drug initiation, and that's exactly what happens with Paul. In fact, there's a pretty vivid, well described scene in
the first novel when Paul really goes through the initiation. That's a pretty accurate description of a hardcore like a bad trip, And if you read it, you'll know what I mean, right, Because I mean, I don't want to I'm not trying to make it too close to an analogy, because Paul actually experiences real manifestations of power, like transcending space and time, seeing different timelines, seeing visions of the future, which I suppose is possible but not
typical on an LSD trip, right, So I don't want to give too much of it. I'm not saying that, Oh, everybody who trips as goes see the future and you can choose between fifty different timelines. Look, doctor Strange. It is kind of like doctor Strange right in the book, Like Paul's experience is similar to that. But I think a lot of people probably have read this or these stories and they've missed the predictive programming illuminous elements
in the story. To me, it was pretty obvious. And Gould and Fistriald make this connection not about Doom but about Afghanistan when they say Afghanistan is the ancient home of Zorastra and the mystical Evesta, as well as Gondahara.
This region is talking about Gandhara, Buddhism and the Illuminati, Rashania cult, the order of the Baktashi Dervishes. This is the nineteenth century Afghanistan and its surroundings provided then a mystical underpinning to what is today dryly regarded as mere geopolitics. This is their book. With every advance of of the industrial area, the quest for meaning a spiritual enlightenment amongst Western intellectuals grew into a kind of
hypnotism. Spiritualism and occultism found great popularity in European parlor society. With the expansion of Empire, interwoven with the expectations of end time prophecies about to come do, a spiritual movement linking bil local prophecy to Britain began to grow. This is getting into the British Israelite heresy and the affascination with the British Empire to Afghanistan, which was not just about you know, drugs and British East
India company control. That was a big part of it, but there's also a mythical quasi religious you could say motivation, spiritual quest. You could say God about religious zeal and a great deal imagination. The British Israel movement emerged from the shadows in seventeen ninety four of the publication of Richard Brothers's book I
Revealed Knowledge of the Prophecies of the Times. Then Sharon Turner's eighteen twenty seven book on the Asiatic Origins of Anglo Saxons that sought to establish Greater Persia as the ancestral home and progenitors of our Anglo Saxon ancestors. Some of the movement proclaimed the British Army officer Sir Henry Rawlins in successful eighteen thirty five translation The Persian Baby's Student Inscription as a positive link between Britain, and so forth we
get Reverend John Wilson's are Israelite origin. This is trying to argue that the lost tribes of Israel somehow connect to this region and somehow are the forefathers of the British people. This is a longstanding goofy kind of heresy that pops up every now and then in so called Christian circles. For example, there was
a cult that is lesser known today called the Worldwide Church of God. It was headed up by a guy named Garner Ted Armstrong, and they were an anti Trinitarian group who were all about this British Israelite mythology and for whatever reason they felt like this made them special or something. According to Robert Drivers in his book Devil's Game, many British intellectuals and not a few imperialists were seized with a desire to find a sort of holy grail, a unified field theory
of religious belief. That's where we get the perennialist connection again to the ideas that I think undergird doom, because Britain is obsessed with the kind of perennialism and partialism is not exactly the same as freemasonry. You might think, well, sounds like freemasonry, and it just all the religions are basically the same. No, no, it's not exactly that. Masonry is a little more on the atheistic side. Masonry is a little more on the anti metaphysics side.
But what you have with perennialists is that the essence of religion and philosophy is metaphysics, and so it's a more high brow, sophisticated approach to trying to figure out what the high true religion is, and it would disagree with a lot of the approaches of say Albert Pike in his Morals and Dogma. So, as you know, we have, as we said, the Fremen
the desert people. This to me is very reminiscent of groups in the Middle East, such as the Sufi's. It could be any kind of must group h you know, fighting the Jahad to establish the pure worship of Allah or whatever. All of that, as we know, functions to influence the the novel. And I noted that readers have shown a significant secret about real politics, and this there's not evident in similar novels. The attempt to manipulate bloodlines
by the elite to produce a genetic superior ruling class. That's that's what the first book is all about. In Herbert's vision, of manipulation is done to control the Quisat's hotterac by female witch coven. As we said, the witch Bush is trying to kind of trying to masculineate me, trying to keep me down. But look, I can see where you can't see. That's what he tells the witch. If you remember right, the golm Jabbar I looked
into that place that you cannot look. Thus, if the super being could be controlled, the Sisterhood could wield untold power over the universe through their adept skills at sorcery and word magic, which is really just a kind of mind control. They are training all matter of religious espionage skills. So espionage is a big part of the story, especially Part two. Part two is much more of a courtly intrigued power game than the first novel. The first novel
is a lot more of an adventure. It's a very sophisticated philosophical adventure, but the second one is a lot more about courtly intrigue. But the Sisterhood here kind of reminiscent, kind of analogous to the way we think of like CIA handlers, Right, that's kind of the function they serve in the novel is to operate in that way, and they're arranged hierarchically under the chief Reverend
Mother gaias Mohem Gaya Mother Earth. Right, So feminine symbology here. And this is interesting because the novel, I would argue, is it has consistent strands of anti feminism, so probably out of the time and I'm just assuming here read a whole lot about Frank Kerbert himself, but he definitely had to be been involved to some degree in the LSD Counterculture sixty scene of his time, just because of so much, so much of that being in the novel,
right, So, I feel like he did have some knowledge of the way the world really works, you know, how the CIA operates, how you know the world is run on the basis of geopolitical elites controlling resources and engaging in things like economic warfare. Because we'll see Paul Will engage in a very sophisticated form of sabotage. In fact, when Paul's family is attacked in the first one and he basically loses all the power that he had and he
flees to the Fremen. His plan of attack against the traders, the Harconins and the Emperor is to cut off spice production from a Racus, and so he engages in a series of a few years of warfare on Dune which cuts
off all spice production, brings it to a complete halt. Now all the universe's eyes are on Dune and Paul, and then we get this kind of overthrowing of the Emperor and the Harconins and Paul becomes a new emperor where he's essentially well, basically, the first one ends with that, right if you remember in the David Lynch movie and I don't have my novel the first novel
with me. I read it like ten years ago, but I'm pretty sure that's how it ends, with Paul basically establishing the new World Empire or galactic empire, you know what I mean. Other interesting elements is that we are shown the pedo elements of the Harconins. The Harconins are not just a brutal kind of you know, degenerate crew. They are enmeshed in genetic experimentation. They like to create monstrosities and hybrids. They like to engage in all manner
of degenerate practice, including pedo stuff. And we get a very interesting contrast when the Atreades' family takes over Dune from the Harconins and the local tribes people. The Fremen are astounded at how charitable the Attretees are compared to the Harconins, and so we're definitely giving the impression that the Atreadees are a righteous family
and house. The Harconins are completely degenerate disgusting. And we even see this in the imagery of the character of the Baron himself, right, I mean, the Baron is full of pus and sores and he's basically he's basically leaking and dripping everywhere, you know what I mean. He's just making a damn mess, like a like he had a perm a Jerry curl, just dripping everywhere, but it's coming out of his face. And I like the way that David Lynch version did that. I mean, he's flying around, he's
getting oil dripped all over him. It's absolutely disgusting, right, So they did a good job making him discussing. Also, as a result of this collapse, Paul believes that he will engineer a plan to stop the Emperor and the Baron's machinations by and not just bringing the spice production to a halt, but also marrying the Emperor's daughter, Princess Irline. And she's the floating head at the beginning of the David lynchwin, right, she's the narrator in the
David Lynch version. We haven't seen her yet in the new Dennis vu New version, because that will be Florence Pugh, the chick from midsommer. She's going to be Princess Eralin and the Emperor is going to be Wow, Christopher Walking, ooh wow, oh ah. The Emperor put this watch in his ass that Christopher Walking as the emperor, which is an odd choice. I don't remember the actor that David Lynch cast, but I thought he was actually
a really good emperor, So interesting choice staff Christopher Walkin. Who It's not that Christmer Walkin is a bad actor anything. It's just that he to me seems to sort of a goofy character, so to have him as the I was looking to see if I had an picture of the emperor in the old one. Put those a polish from before me. My brother comes for you, Emperor. I don't know. I can't find an emperor picture. I can pull it up, but you know what I mean? That do as
well cast. That's what I think of that I just don't think of I don't know Christopher Walking. And I was watching somebody's video about this, and they made a funny point about how remember in the Fat Boy Slim video, how it talks about you won't something the worm. If you walk without rhythm,
you won't attract the worm, right, that's from Dune. That's the sand dance that you have to do because the vibrations attract the worms on the planet of Doune, and the worms come get you like Kevin Bacon and tremors. Right, Well, you do the dance to not attract the worm. That's what's clipped in the Fat Boy Slim video where Christopher Walking is dancing and it's just weird. Then that Christopher Walking will be playing the emperor in Dune.
You know I'm talking about. Did y'all not know this? Nobody knew what that clip was. If you walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm. This one right where he's Christopher Walking dances and flies across the room. Remember that I'm not gonna play because it'll ding everything, but you can watch the video. I'll try to remember to put these video links below right.
So here at Christopher Walking is dancing everywhere, walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm, and then he flies across the mall or the hotel, whatever it is. Remember when Christopher Walking was dancing the cha chaw and with the aliens playing Whitley Streeper. That's one of the stupidest scenes I've ever seen, and the alien dancing community. Ooh a chot chat with aliens. Wow. Wow. And you're saying, why is Christopher Walking dancing the cha
chaw with aliens? Because Whitley Striebert in his book claims that he danced the cha chaw with aliens on a spaceship. So definitely happened. Definitely, definitely something that definitely happened. It's not made of it. Definitely happened, you understand, I hope so anyway, but you hadn't end up box anyway?
Where was that? Oh? Next up? Other elements that make this novel tremendously prescient again pretty much off the charts predicted programming, right, I mean, not just predictive programming in this sense of like, oh you got some mk ultra. By the way, I forgot to mention, the Imperial power has the ability to condition genetically conditioned and mentally conditioned people to be assassins or
to be incapable of violence. So doctor Yui, who has the dot on his third eye, has the imperial conditioning, supposedly so that he could not harm any of the noble houses. So anybody that serves the noble houses has the imperial conditioning so that they can't be traitors to the Imperial House, because of course people would want to assassinate the nobility all the time, and in fact there's an attempt, as you know, to assassinate both Paul and his
father. The attack on Paul's father, Dukelido, is successful, the attempt to assassinate Paul with the Hunter Seeker is not successful. Paul, as we said, is the one right, so he's the prophesied one to come who will bring the Jihad. All of that is kind of classic, you know, hero mythology, Joseph Campbell's stuff, but it's also religious in the sense that, as I said, you think that he's a christ like figuring in the first one, but he's much more of a flawed Greek hero in the
second one. And we'll look at some of what his son explains in the introductory essay about what his father meant by that by the political critiques in doing Messiah. But I wanted to note that Herbert had an intense interest in ecology, and that's why we actually see geoengineering playing a key role in the novel. So stuff that you would think is even in our day considered you know, conspiracy topic, it doesn't exist. Not only does it exist, it
was actually in fiction back in the mid to late sixties. And so I cited some papers and whatnot talking about elf manipulation of the ionosphere and whatnot, and I argued that, you know, Herbert foresaw what would be coming in the future and actually encoded in his science fiction. So I would I would
liken him in this predictive sense to somebody like PK. D Right, he's a lot like Philip K. Dick, But there's he's very different from Philip K. Dick because Philip K. Dick comes off as this sort of basically schizophrenic type of character, right, I mean, I mean, I'm not dissing PK. D I think he's a cool writer, and I think he was writing stuff because he was in the circles of people in Silicon Valley and he did genuinely kind of foresee the dangers that could be had through the implementation
of all this Silicon Valley control which are now living under. By the way, Definitely, PK. D's novels are very precient, full of predicted programming, but Herbert's novels are just they're very different. They're all interconnected. It's it's all big, giant world or universe like Tolkien, and that's that's not what you get with PK. D. Right, You get these kind of just different stories about wild ideas, and many of those wild ideas, you
know, appear to be coming to fruition. But the same thing with Herbert's mega universe, a lot of these elements are coming to fruition as well. So I didn't want to touch on a couple more things in regard to part one. It's not just about the you know, predictions of things millennia from
now. It's actually about how the world functions now, the different strata of occultists, espionage, geopolitics, the police, the emperor, the state, economics with the trading guild, the control of the resources, economic warfare. By bringing resources to a halt, siege. Right when Paul brings spice production to a halt, all eyes are on Aracus and all eyes are on and so by doing this, he then engages with his followers to become this religious
warrior figure and then begins what kicks off will be the universal Jahad. The novel's focused on ecology is also in a way, we're buke to scientism, which presumably desires to rape nature and to be anti human. And you might think, well, science fiction, right, this is always going to be anti human. Now, actually, there is a tendency in Dune, at least so far in the first two that is pro human. There's a big story that we don't It might be in one of the other stories. You
might have a backstory by somebody else, or by his son. I think Frank's son has also written addendums. I don't usually find the suns like I'm not reading Christopher Tolkien that much or you know what I mean. So I'm not knocking the guy, just just haven't gotten into it. But when it comes to this, this element, this is fascinating because I just I just totally lost my place. What was I talking about? The novels focus on ecology. Yeah, and oh that the anti natalism. You might think that
it would be anti natalists. A lot of science fiction it's like, oh, the future is a utopia because we've created perfect population control and AI runs everything. No, no, this is uniquely anti AI. Did you know the Dune universe at some point in previous history when man created Ai, AI enslaved man, and there ended up being a few centuries of warfare where men
had to overthrow AI, and then AI is banned throughout the universe. However, even though it's banned after what's called the Butlery and Johann, this figure named Butler had to lead a jihad against AI and it was eventually overthrown. And so now artificial intelligence is banned. Now not all tech is banned, just AI. You can't make machines in the image of man, and in their Orange Catholic Bible they introduce a new eleventh commandment that thou shalt not make
a machine in the image of man. So that's an interesting avenue where you know, a lot of sci fi novels don't go. They usually prop up AI as this you know, quasi savior type of device, or this salvafic thing, or this godlike thing that's going to give us immortality or whatever.
But even though it's outlawed in Dune Messiah in the sequel, we actually have people beginning to go against that, and although they're not creating exactly AI, they are beginning to create what they call a gola, which is a kind of like a clone. It's not exactly a clone but it's basically a version of a clone, where you take the dead body of someone and you can revive it with certain techniques and certain technologies closely akin to cloning, the difference
being, of course, that the revived body is not a copy. It's the actual body, but it doesn't actually have the genetic memories or the memories of the previous person. So it's kind of like a blank slate tabula rossa doe boy over there, So you got a dough boy, a blank dough boy over there. But in Dune Messiah, the character of Duncan Idaho, one of the close friends of Paul who ends up killed. They create a gola of him, this sort of clone to be a source of comfort for
Paul because he's lost one of his best friends. But this ends up being a deception because the purpose of creating this gola is also to mind control him, to program him at a certain point, at a trigger point, he's triggered to then assassinate Paul and get rid of the Treats bloodline. That plot fails spoiler alert, but we'll talk about that when we get into doing Messiah.
Other elements that I thought were an influence here, as we said, not just the perennial stuff, but there's also I think a kabbalistic element, because the weirding way is not just you know, saying something that's a magic spell. It's actually finding the right words and the right vibrations that either give life or can kill. And so we think about you know, proverbs,
the power of life and death is in the tongue, Solomon says. And then you get, in the kind of outlandish superstitions of medieval cabbala, the idea that the individual magician or megas can figure out these right vibrations and words or manipulations of symbols and then either create or destroy life. And so you get the idea of the Gollumn. The Gollum is this figure who is a kind of husk a mud man, right, a husk man who you can
cause to go and do your will. Well. Not only does that come up with the ideas of the weirding way and speaking a word that can either kill or bring life. I think that's really what the Gola is, right. The Golaw is not exactly a clone, it's more of a go limb.
So I think Gola is probably derived from go Limb. And a lot of the terms and a lot of the phraseology that's very unique to Doune, right, like the ben a tale lax, the beni Jeserit's sisterhood, the lison al gaib Right, These terms are you can see kind of quasi Arabic terminology and quasi you know, Islamic in its significance. They even call Paul the Mahdi, which is Messiah. So going back to my notes, I think I've covered a lot of this space travel you have. We covered the
missionary Tiva. It's also a story that appeals to sort of esoteric minded people as well. We know Jo Rowski, right. For example, jo Rowski was famously making his Dune version of Dune, which was this really wild, outlandish thing where Orson Wells said he would do it, but he wanted to be paid in food, and then Salvador Dali was going to be the emperor and he said, I'll do it, but you have to pay me one hundred thousand dollars a day and just all this crazy, wild, outlandish stuff,
and so it never ended up getting made. But there's a famous documentary about Jo Rowski's Dune, and we've covered joa Rowski before. Because jo Rowski is definitely occult filmmaker, probably one of the pre eminent ones. I do not recommend people watch Holy Mountain. And it does have some interesting alchemical and esoteric elements, and we've covered it both with Burmus and with Jamie and I covering it here, So if you are interested in the Holy Mountain breakdown,
it's there. There's other films that Jodarowski do that are really ocultic, like al Topo and whatnot. But let's see there's any other elements that I didn't cover in the first one before we get to that's not where's my essay? Before we get to part two? Oh, I did want to talk about the crossing of the Abyss. There's this sort of when Paul undergoes the hulud or they call Old Father Eternity. The worms are for the freemen an emblem
of God, right, they're the sort of godlike figure. They also are an emblem of Satan, which I think kind of speaks to a weird sort of dualism in their religion. But when Paul moydeb comes to power, you get the idea that natural hierarchies are being restored because he's overthrown the attempt of the witch coven of the feminine to be dominant, and you get this patriarchal order that's restored. Paul and the Free Men represent a masculine order being put
back into power. And under this we get the life blossoming on the desert planet Dune. So the desert planet comes to life and becomes terraformed and emerges from this wasteland, kind of like what we read in Isaiah right, that the streams and the desert I think in the Psalms, and then the deserts will turn into luscious valleys. It'll be the sort of a return from Eden
in the Bible. You have this wilderness Eden imagery and Dune itself where it goes from being this dry desert planet to becoming this fountain of life, this water of life planet after Paul takes over and terraforms the planet. But what Paul had to do, as we said, was go through the worm bile ritual. Are you glad when you go to church you don't have to take a take worm bile? What if that was the sacrament every weekend? Right?
It was the worm bile wherein experiences a crossing of the Abyss to enter into the place where the Beni Jeserit witches cannot go. When Maude returns from this death resurrection ritual, he's apotheosized to bring an end to the rule of female power and the unrighteous or what he sees as the unrighteous emperor. And
I think in the Dune movie comes off that way. When we get to Dune Messiah, it's less clear that I mean, certainly the Harconas are bad guys, but it's less clear that Paul is as righteous as he sees himself to be. And so, as we said, the Harconin have young male sex slaves. We see imperial brainwashing, we see noble houses with mind control assassins, we see him cultra. All of this is throughout this novel, as well as reliance on cabbalistic ideas, as well as reliance on even you
know, predictive elements that we haven't seen yet, like terraforming geoengineering. Nobody would have known about geoengineering, you know, in nineteen sixty eight sixty nine except people you know working at the Jason Project or at Rain Corporation or something. Right, we also see delving into as we said, the ability of hallucinogens to bring higher states of consciousness, which again is not the Christian idea
very much. In nineteen sixties, you know, revival of paganism idea, the idea that ecstatic initiatory experience is somehow preferable or somehow a shortcut to enlightenment is definitely what Paul undergoes, even to the point of a kind of death, real resurrection when he undergoes the really intense experience of drinking the worm biole, which causes him to basically almost die, but he comes back from that, as I said, with actual powers. He has kind of been deified,
and he's called the one. They believe him to be, the Messiah, the Mahdi, And then Paul, interestingly enough, plays on this. So you know, in the Dennisville New version, you see the Timothy Schallamey character doesn't believe at first, but then he kind of gradually comes to believe more and more that he is the one, the chosen One. And that's not like how that's not the Christian view. Jesus doesn't learn new facts. He's a divine person, so he has omniscience. He didn't learn his godhood.
He didn't doubt himself, right. But Paul after fleeing into the wilderness with his mother again kind of Apocalypse twelve imagery, kind of you know, Moses going into the desert imagery, he learns the ways of the desert, exactly what we see in the Bible about the character of Moses. And again Paul was a Moses type of baby as well, because the Benny Jesrait witches wanted any male child put to death. And that's why I think there's a
kind of a pretty consistent anti feminist theme that undergirds this story. And the Benny Jesuit, as I said, were intent on religious engineering. So you've heard our buddies over it, soa cinema talk about religious engineering and the state, the power structure of the deep state, the oligarchy wanting to control and
steer religion. That's what we saw throughout this text. That's principally one of the key elements in why the papacy becomes what it does in the second millennium contrasted to the functionality of the papacy in terms of collegiality and cinidelity in the first millennium. And we get this gnostic version of religion of the Fremen and a processed philosophy that will evolve out of the primitive religion of the Fremen, which in this story we're told that. In the second one they told that
they reinstitute animal sacrifices and maybe even human sacrifices. It's a little unclear, just as a very institute blood sacrifice, which it's unclear if that means animals are humans, but the Sardocar apparently engaged in human sacrifice because they had upside down people on upside down crosses. In the movie, there was a brief scene of this where they're draining the blood to mark the Sardikar on their forehead before they go to wipe out the Treadees family. So there you have.
That's our first hour. Here, a first half discussing the perennial philosophy of Dune, and then the second part I'm going to get deep into Doune Messiah. And the reason I want to talk about Doo Messiah is because there will be a movie. According to Dennis Villanueva, if Bill New if Dune Part one Part two is successful, they do intend to make Doing Messiah into a
full length film. As well, which will be really crazy, will be really intricate, courtly intrigues, be fascinating to see that come to life, probably in the next few years. So hopefully people can be watching this video even two or three years from now, when Done Messiah gets made into a movie. Maybe even you can share this, send this to your friends and
people that would like insight into the real world from fiction. I think genius fiction, even though I don't agree with all of the gnostic and nestorian and illuminous and perennialist elements of the novel and part one. In Part two, we can begin to see a lot of insights into real world geopolitics in terms of how the elites want to control drug lanes, how the elites want to destroy their enemies through economic warfare, how the power structure uses manipulation of bloodlines,
genetic engineering. A lot of that we're going to see in the second one. And you know we're gonna have questions about how we should be governed. Is an oligarchy good? Is Paul a tyrant? Is an autocrat? What about the religion that evolves out of Paul and his jihad, the Church of Wadib? What about the feminine principle, because we're going to find out that his sister Alia, there's going to be a cult that grows up around her, and what if she becomes this sort of scarlet this woman, this
Babylon woman as the story progresses. And part of that has to do with infant child trauma, because if you remember, Alia was born with basically adult consciousness and with all the powers of a reverend mother. So this made her
a very oddball child. People were always very afraid of her, and she sort of develops into this villain figure that we'll talk about later, but I don't want to go too much into that because that's for part two, when we get deeper into doing Messiah. Its themes, it's critiques, and it's esoteric meaning. So hopefully enjoyed this. I want to imagine, guys, to the support of the show via super chats. You can leave a super chat any time and I will read it the next time I'm doing super chats.
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