Antichrist & The Beast System? Game B & The Dark Enlightenment! C0urt3nay Turn3r

It's gonna be technocracy. But Courtney has done a lot of in depth research and information into subjects that probably not a lot of people are that familiar with. We're gonna be talking about the Dark Enlightenment. We're gonna be talking about the circles of Peter Teel, their interest and influence from the Lord of the Rings. We're gonna be

talking about the technocratic takeover. But before we get into Courtney's recent research and her articles on substack, let's do a little bit of a stepping back, because the audience over here had grown quite a bit, and we may have some people I was on a comedians podcast the other day and I just sort of launched into this and the first thing he said to me was like, whoa, wha, whoa, what is technocracy? So we probably have some people that

don't even know what this is. So Courtney begin with telling us, first of all, what is technocracy, the origins of it, the overview of it.

forty nineteen forty one, right before it shut down. And they, in their own words like in there, and I think I might have that if it's not in this most recent articles, in my last article, but I actually have the screenshot from Technocrat magazine in nineteen thirty seven. They say themselves that the definition of technocracy is social engineering. So of course it is really you know, where you

have the scientific elite will control everything. And they had this vision back then, but they didn't have the technology that we have today. So I think back then the ideas were scary enough. I think that that was it was definitely enough to be concerned about back then. But today it's very concerning because we have the technology, we have AI, we have you know, all of this, that we have the potential for a completely tokenized world, not

just economy, but really make everything tokenized. And to me, that's their end game, and I think it's the most most scary aspect of all of it. But yeah, so that's the kind of cliff notes of it. They also say themselves that the data of mining, the surveillance is for the purposes of control, So just in case any of you know, it's confused about that, that's their own

words all the way back in the nineteen thirties. And the platform is very progressive, so they're aligned with things like ubi's you know, they call the energy credits, and you can find in their manual you'd have to go to the wayback machine, but you can find the Technocracy study guides and they talk about the energy certificates, which are basically carbon credits today in the language of the UN.

Of course, key texts would be things like Bertrand Russell's Impact of Science on Society, and I'm just holding this up for the benefit of the audience who may not bear with these texts. I know Courtney is familiar with them, Scientific Outlook by Russell as well. And then really important would be the writings of HD Wells that are not fiction, because when you get into books like New World Order or AHG. Wells's Open Conspiracy, we find out that technocracy isn't a.

is a bunch of nonsense. But also in your new piece here you talk about three things Game B. You talk about the Dark Enlightenment, and you talk about the Network States digital secession. So let's walk through what these three things are because I think a lot of people who maybe even know about this topic, they probably don't know about Game B.

you know, their their gaya worshiping yah, yeah, exactly. You know, they're concerned about the sustainable development goals and the climate right, Greta type stuff, Yes, exactly, So that's very much Game B. And there a lot of the people in Game B are disciples of Barbara Marks Hubbard, so you know there who is an intellectual disciple of Tar day shirting concept of the nosphere. In Game B, the term is collective intelligence, so they don't use the term nosphere specifically, but it's

the same concept, same idea. And actually some of the technologies they talk about and some of the they call it DialogOS, which is basically like dialogues for consensus making. They also have a term called sense making, which is also dialogues for consensus making. But they talk about how they do talk about terms like the nosphere inhabiting the intellectual nosphere, so they are pretty overt about those sorts

of ideologies and how they're aligned with them. So that's kind of Game B. And to give a little backstory on Game B, since a lot of people might not be as familiar with Game B, although it's not new at all, Game B spawned out of the you know, twenty tens era back. Actually, I've learned a little bit

more since I started researching all of this. I've seen some of the you know conversations with Jordan Hall, who is one of the founders of Game B, talking about how he he called Eric Weinstein the Rabbi of Game B. And they met at the Perimeter Institute when Eric Weinstein was giving a speech. He was giving a speech a post you know, two thousand and eight financial crisis, and actually in that speech he talks about Plan A and

Plan B in terms of economics. So I think that was kind of a little foreshadowing of what was to come. But he insisted repeatedly that Jordan Hall meet with his brother Brett Brett Weinstein, and the way Jordan explains that they really didn't hit it off too much in the beginning. And there was also simultaneously these Stanton meetings in Stanton, Virginia, where Jim Rutt was hosting these Really they were centered around creating a new political party called the Emancipation Party.

The Emancipation Party was very much in the vein of like the Forward Party of Bernie Sanders movement. You know, they wanted things like the UBI, universal basic healthcare, those types of things, and so they met Jordan Hall and Jim Rutt met at the Santa Fe Institute. Jim Rutt had been recruited. He was chairman of the Santa Fe Institute for a while, but he fell into that because he was working on a software called the Evolutionary Software.

And that's part of how Brett Weinstein got brought in because he's an evolutionary biologist and Jordan Hall was there, and so they started doing this political movement. The way Jim Rutt explains it is he says that he could get the boomers on board. They were all in, you know, they loved it. He said gen X, he could persuade them. But he said the millennials loved the platform, but they were such anarchists that the notion of a political party was an anethema to them. And he said, well, you

really can't start a political movement without the millennials. So he didn't think that there was much hope and it wasn't going to take off the way that he had hoped. And Thorn Mueller, who was part of these Stanton meetings, had said keep the name game B for branding, and so they did and they kind of split because the way Jim Rut explains it is that he's, you know, a hard scientist. You know, he's a complexity theorist. I might think otherwise, but you know, we'll take his word.

He you know, he's very mechanistic and he's a complexity system theorist, and that's hard science. And some of the others were a little bit more woo. These are like the Barber Marks Hubbard disciples, people like Mark Gaffney, Daniel Schmocktenberger who are in this movement. And they've reconvened though in like the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen they you know, decided to move forward with trying to create Game B, which they call a new operating system for civilization, and

so they proceeded. And I had this theory that the Intellectual Dark Web was an influence operation for Game B and I actually found an article in Manifest Nirvana from Andrew Cohen and he pretty much says that he doesn't use those words, those are my words. That's a little heavy handed. I don't think you would say it was an influence operation, but that's pretty much what he says. He says that the Intellectual Dark Web he laid the groundwork for the audience to acquiescence to the ideas of

Game B. It kind of seeded that ground. So that is a game B and we can go into more of the details on it. But then through the right hand Path and a lot more people are familiar with it because so many of them are influencing the and surrounding the Trump administration currently we have the Dark Enlightenment. And I thought it was so funny because it was a couple of weeks ago CNN did this little short clip about Curtis Jarvin. He said, there's this blogger. He's

been blogging for over a decade. I'm like almost two, but who's counting? Apparently not them, so that he said, but it's very concerning because he has a lot of influence on the Trump administration, which is true, and the Dark Enlightenment operates, when I say right hand path, more of the patriarchal kind of autocratic, you know, very kind of muscular type of energy, and they are very influential in the current Trump administration, which is supposedly a right

hand path. Right he was under the Republican banner, and they really want to create you know what they call. Curtis Jarvin calls it the soft Corps. Nick Land, who is kind of the advanced this concept of the dark Enlightenment, also known as the neo reactionary movement. He was also the regenitor of the Accelerationist movement and he calls it gov Corp. But they're essentially very similar concepts, just operating

under different marketing banners. I would say, you know, the game b is more of your soft power kind of opt in tyranny, where you have the illusion of everything being decentralized and you have complete voluntary you know, authority and sovereignty, personal sovereignty and agency. But they are going to create this collective intelligence and that it will be

recentralized that way and through the Dark Enlightenment. It's more of a top down In fact, Curtisy Jarvin himself says that the problem with America is it needs the government needs a reboot, and that we need to get over our fear of the dictator and it should operate like a CEO running a company that he is the dictator. And so that's kind of his concept, the idea of retire all government employees, he calls it. Rage was very influential on this doge operation of out.

And it kind of gets into this idea of like it's not explicitly technocracy, but it's kind of like a it's sort of like that, and it's kind of a The idea is that he needs to massively depopulate, you know, the planet, like half of the planet needs to go away so that we can have a time of peace. And so it just this vision reminds me of what

Alan Moore is kind of getting at. And I think the key point here that a lot of people I want to be very clear about being nuanced, because you know, my audience is going to take issue with some of the things that that you're going to argue, which is fine, not a big deal. I think that, for example, I want to get into the Christian nationalism part because I want to be really precise, I believe that the ideal government should be in a Christian majority society, laws that

reflect the belief system of the majority Christian people. That's my position. That does not mean that I think that we need to sort of subvert take over the country, change everything, reboot everything into some kind of like Byzantine theocratic model. I don't think any of that's realistic. I also believe that a lot of the movements that would come forward as Christian nationalists, Protestants and these kinds of people,

I would never trust those movements. I would assume that those movements are from the outset, probably co opted or funded or created. So, because most movements, you know, don't. They don't come out of nowhere. Movements generally have funding, and if they are generally organic, typically they can easily be bought and taken over. So being very precise, I do believe in the form of government of a kind

of Christian monarchy where there's limitations on the state. I do not believe that today's Christian nationalist movements represents some authentic vision of something that I would support, although I'm sure there's many people that are sincere in that. I just know from my Protestant background that a lot of the goofballs that I was involved in as a young Protestant who believed in this sort of Christian nationalist stuff

are just clowns or Feds or worse. So being very precise, then where we come in here with Courtney's point, which I think we would a lot of people ascidis will probably agree with, even if they take issue with some

of the pro Enlightenment stances of the article. The puppet master type tech people they know these movements and these ideas, and what they want to do is seize upon the trends and where the winds are blowing to steer that into something which in the case of say, you know, Curtis Jarvin, seems to be just another kind of atheist, nihilist Nietzschean techro control grid as well. I mean, is that kind of what we're getting you're getting from your research?

Xenosystems dot demon dot UK. And he's got all sorts of ideas about you know, essentially demon type using fictionalized kind of labels, but very much demonology in order to influence the direction of the future. And he's very influenced by people like love Craft and Evola, Julius Evola, and he had this whole idea of technoplastic beings. He has this idea of you know, accelerationism just for people who are not familiar. Is essentially this theory that he thinks

capitalism is doomed, it's going to fail. He's not a proponent of it, but he thinks that we should use it in order to push it to its nth degree so it can reach it to apocalyptic state much faster, and that we should use technology to do that. And so that's what his whole thesis is around.

Nick Land's philosophy that well. I did hear him on a couple podcasts of some friends of ours, and I don't think they were I think they were just talking about Nietzsche. They weren't really going into accelerationism. But it seems like the idea is pretty wicked, like, oh, let's collapse everything quicker so that we can have the new thing come in. But the thing about that is like what they want to bring in is probably going to be worse than the worst parts of what we have now.

type of philosophy. Actually, he has a term the mechanistic desire, which you know, he talks about the future of humanity is going to be reshaped by and eclipsed by technology, so essentially the singularity, right, that's a that's his whole vision. But he's he's really really dark. So yeah, I would say, you know, Curtis Jarvin comes from his parents were you know, communists.

He's more of a nihilistic kind of yeah, atheistic, that's more of his framework, and he looks at things very it's bizarre, but it's also very it's linear in a way, you know, like you just have a CEO. He's a dictator, he runs everything, and you know, this is just kind of black and white type of operating in a vacuum type of philosophy and theories. Whereas Nick land Is, I mean, he's pretty dark. The c CRU his his partner, was

founded by Sadie Plant, who's like a cyberpunk feminist. So yeah, I have a.

a plumb line. It's not anchored in anything. And I think that that's so important because the whole goal of these technocrats and now they're merging it with religion. And I'll touch on that, you know, to address what you pointed out with the Christian nationalism, and I agree with you. I don't think they're authentic. I think it's ve near. It's a facade. They're using it because you know, that

concept of the three legged stool. They need the religious component in order to especially since they're operating currently in the right hand path, which tends to be comprised of more religious orientation.

intellectual dark Web. I'm sorry, I'm mixing up my terms. Never mind, that was a nineteen but actually some of these people overlap, right, Like, isn't.

know he has some like over state ties. There's obviously his whole military industrial complex affiliations, and I think there's some habsort access there, but you know, for what we can actually see, I was focused more on the tangible. That's also what we have some agency over, right, you know, I can we can only you know, speculate otherwise. So uh but yeah, so I talk about him as kind of and he's also the overlapping between the two groups.

So when I was saying that they're not rooted in reality, there's not you know, like a it's not a plum line where they're anchored to anything real. I think it's so important because what essentially they want to do, in my opinion, is they want a technological imminititization of the escaton. So they that's how I see it, Like I think that you know, they're whether they you know, don't think they're going to heaven, or they don't know what happens,

or they're just complete nihilists. I don't know what their worldview is. I can speculate, but I'm not in their heads. But I think that they want to bring create heaven on Earth, and so they have to make a simulacra and that's what this whole transhuman agenda is all about. And in order to do that, you have to disort people's perceptions of reality. You have to have a constructivist

worldview in order for that to functionally operate. And I think that's why these philosophies are so incredibly important for their agenda.

But the synthesis is the network states and the network states are kind of the umbrella because all of them operate under network states, even if they don't call them network states. So in Game B, they have a term called Scivium, the Syvium Project, and I had done one

of my sub stacks. I outline that it was the path to mass surveillance, and I talk about all the different fifteen minute cities, the smart cities, the c forty cities for the uns AI World Society, right, and then they have But the way the analogy that I use is it's kind of like if you had a buffet of ice cream, but it's not made with any of the real stuff, Like it's all chemicals that are not so great for you. But they're going to give you

all different flavors to choose from. So if you like strawberry, if you like you know, chocolate, vanilla, blueberry, whatever it is, you can pick your poison and it'll be in a nice, pretty rapper for you. And that's kind of what they do. So a lot of people are not on board with the fifteen Minute Cities, so don't worry. The Trump supporters can get the Freedom Cities.

smart city built on and around Ethereum. I mean, I don't know that that will ever actually come to fruition, But did you encounter anything like that where Crypto ties into it?

trip yeah through yeah, through these headsets. So yeah, so and the subsidiary of Prospera it was called they Oh, this is another thing. They always rebrand They're always changing their names, their personal names, their names of their companies. We saw this with Neurohacker. Is now quality of Life. That's a game b affiliated kind of operation under the guise of like you know, basically life extension and wellness.

But then we've got Prosperous subsidiary was Vitalia, and if you go to the way back you can still find it. And it says come to you know, a city where you can make death optional. And now it's called Infinita. And these are all yeah, it's bigcoin cities. There's Bitcoin Nation. This the whole concept of all of these network states is that everything will be run based on whatever your flavor of cryptocurrency would be.

time ago. It's almost like they're going to have like, oh, this will be where the CEOs and the entrepreneurs come to live in their freedom city. But to me, I would never trust this, not because I doubt bitcoin. I'm a big believer in bitcoin, but this is just some guy's idea of getting a bunch of influencers and entrepreneurs

onto some transhumanist island. It's like, you know, the plane, the plane, the plane, you know, fantasy Island, but it's like fantasy island with it's like Peter Thiel's Fantasy Island or something which sounds like a horror movie, you know what I mean.

negotiate with a smart contract. You can try and negotiate with people, and that doesn't always go as well as you might hope. But shoot, with a smart contract, especially one that's recursive, right, once it's been put in place and it's recursively implemented, then it's just going to be exponential as to whatever code has been inputed. So I find that really concerning, and I think a lot of

people have this idea. It's a very Pollyanna kind of notion that oh, well, you know, if I I go into this network state and it's my my carnivore network state, or I decide now I like I want to be a vegan, I'm going to go into this one. I don't think it's going to be quite that fluid, and I don't think that it There's also the I think the mistake that people make thinking that somehow you're going to have more freedom just because it's a you know,

smaller community. But do you think that you violate the roles of this uh, you know community, this network state that that's going to go well for you? You think they don't have like stasy networks.

it turning into. And I don't I'm not saying that because of some you know, vast principled idea of what the ideal system should be, but rather human nature has a tendency to want to to dominate, you know what I mean it's Libido Dominondi to a degree. I'm not saying that I agree with everything Augustine said, but falling human beings have a tendency to, you know, to be

corrupt when they get extreme amounts of power. And what appears to be a very supposedly freedom based situation, I would just be very I mean again, it's like if I'm going to this island where supposedly it's based around freedom, but you know, Peter Thiel owns like a private security come Many that runs the island. I mean, who has the power there? Really?

Naval Intelligence Research and Kurt Lewin have a stock. But then the Delphi method kind of codified this into a much more kind of systematic, mechanistic type of operation through RAND Corp. And now what we have is essentially the Delphi method and sensitivity straining on steroids through algorithms. The cybernetic feedback loops of the algorithm. So they're data mining you.

So if you have like a Peter Teel Pallenteer type of panopticon network state, they're constantly watching you and they're surveilling, collecting all this data. And you think they can't use that data to then program you and to control you. I mean it's that that's how the cybernetics operate. So

uh yeah, I would not trust that. I think that that's exactly what they want, is people siloed in these kinds of And there's also they always talk about the decentralization, and I warn people that, you know, the world brain, right. He talks about how the decentralization of the academ of the academic institution, the information institutions, the media, that would

be the conduit to create the world brain. What would we say the information institutions today would be I would say the Internet technology, right, And so that's what we're seeing. He can also use Bruce S. Lifton, the evolutionary leader of Bruce S. Lifton, who is a kind of ancilliary to this game B movement, Barbara Marks Hubbard and those types. But he talks about he and he uses a spiral to uh paint his picture. Of course, you know totally

hegel diectric spiral. But he talks about how, you know, we started out as a meba, and but what makes the amiba intelligent is that it has a membrane, and so that's where collects this information. And then you know, we move up as we evolve, and that he says, we go to multicellular organisms and then humans. We're so intelligent because we're this complex multicellular organism. We have so much service area of membrane, and that's why we're intelligent,

he said. But we're at a crossroads now where we have to choose if we want to co create the super organism of humanity. If we don't, we're going to go extinct. But we can co create this super organism of humanity, and what does he say, the membrane for that organism is going to be. Of course, it is the Internet.

you know, networks can't be genuinely decentralized. But you know, when you get like people like Greta and people like this talking about this, you know, using this kind of terminology, obviously it's it's a buzzword for a mega corporate agenda. You mentioned too, which is interesting Teal and sovereign house and all that. And I don't know, did you see my debate with Dasha.

let's do it. So we had a religious debate. But what what what is the I mean, I'm not denying that Sovereign House and Teal you know, or interested in touching on elements of the you know, culture that are formerly left New right like, but I mean, what what does he get out of the sort of you know, Red Scare. Like, I'm not denying that he's but I just don't understand, like, what what's he really getting out

of that? Because there's not a huge I mean, it's not like Red Scare had like this massive audience, you know what I mean, They're they're kind of medium, minimal level influence. What do you think Teal is getting out of that?

the left's answer to alt right was dirtbag Left. And then I think Dasha kind of evolved out of that, and red Scare podcast evolved out of that, and then they've taken this sort of kind of right turn, which that just could be because I mean, I'm not saying it's not because of Peter Tiel, but I mean, I mean just from an audience perspective, like people are just kind of getting tired of the left, you know, especially as Trump was becoming more and more you know, in

the ascendancy and in the last you know, two years, Trump has pretty much just been a phenomenon. And I'm not like I have plenty of criticisms of Trump. I'm just stating what is the case. And I'm not saying I'm saying that this can still be like a All

I'm trying to say, I'm rambling. All I'm trying to say is like these are the influenced networks that if you were wanting to steer the culture, these are the types of things that you would kind of latch onto or try to step into because those networks are ahead of the curve. In other words, Alex Jones is talking about stuff ten years ago that Fox News talks about today.

So you know, these kinds of podcasts, whether they're kind of culture driving nish podcasts, like whether it's Sam Hyde or whether it's you know, Dawsha or whether it's whatever, Like these are more niche but ahead of the curve.

Game B. But that's what I was thinking. But what I'm trying to say is that it's a way of steering these So I'm not saying that there aren't organic you know, people who, yeah, we're tired of the left, but if you can operate through them, then you can create a much broader banner that looks more populous, even if it's not.

they were traditionally on the left. But then you had the medical freedom movement come in, and suddenly those people got slacked with right wing labels, whether Republican, conservative, or you know, whatever it may be. And a lot of them were actually very confused, like I've been on left

my whole life. I voted Democrat my whole life, Like I'm not a Republican or I'm not a conservative whatever it was, but they're okay, and a lot of them kind of went along with it, like, okay, now we shift the overtoon window, right, So people who reject certain experimental uh you know, medications are now suddenly right wingers.

So I will clarify, I'm not talking about people who might be Christian might also have a nationalistic bent, you know, I'm not saying that's just the you know, hyphen of those two. I'm also not talking about people, as you said, who might you know, want a nation that you know is more based on those types of principles. These are people who really literally want biblical law to replace the Constitution and they have explicitly said so, so we're talking

about a constitutional subversion. So regardless of you know, your thoughts on the Constitution, that that is what they're advocating. So it is a subversive type of movement by definition.

religion is. I'm not sure because I haven't read it yet, but I mean even here on the Sovereign House Events page, I mean, it's all it's there's a whole event about Renee Gerard. And I've had many people in the audience say, hey, you need to read this guy. So that seems to be like when when Peter Till's using the terminology of

Christianity and immortality and all that. It's almost like the impression I got from the interview that Jamie and I covered was, Yeah, there's this idea in Christianity which is mythical and fictional of a resurrection and all this kind of stuff. We're going to do that with tech. That's what it really means.

with my freedom coins and all this stuff. It's like, I mean again, like how is it really in my view if you don't have a consistent, coherent worldview based in as you said, reality from my perspective, orthodox Christianity, I don't see how you're going to have any basis, for example, for values and value judgments right and wrong, virtue vice right, you've got to have some kind of

a system. And I think one of the problems with the tech bros, especially out of the whole libertarian ethos, is that they have a utilitarian idea of ethics that they think technology can somehow, through quantification, tell you what's right and wrong and what's good and bad. And that goes all the way back to the moral calculus era of dun Thumb. And it's just a really silly spurgeep is. You've got to kind of be a spurg to even think that calculations could tell you, in the basis of

pleasure points what's good and bad. It's just silly.

And you now have this with GAMEB. So Game B was very historically, you know, aligned with more spiritual theosophical princes bulls, they were not. You know a lot of them like attribute their their roots to Spinoza. It's very neo Platonic in their philosophical underpinnings. But now we have Jordan Hall, who a year ago converted to Christianity. I always want to give the benefit of the doubt. It's not my place to judge somebody else's, you know, belief system.

But I was a little bit skeptical and that just because I see this a lot where they use Christianity in order to create credibility, right, to lure people into the movement. And yeah, and so he he did this speech at Prospera. So four years ago there was at Prospera. It was the Startup Society's foundation, and he did a

speech there on Game B startup societies, network states. And then he did another one recently and it was a like a forty five minute speech and he talks about at the end of it, he's talking about network states and using essentially Game B concept for network states. But at the end he talks about liturgy. And I know, I understand the concept in Christianity of liturgy, but he was kind of using this concept to justify communitarianism, which

is they're not they're not, they're not the same. And you know, it's a very I think it's very deceptive because if you're not really paying attention, you hear the words and they sound like, oh, this is a Christian talking about, you know, bringing community under God.

And you write this is from biology. We think d stetting can be revived in long term because it can be a part of a network state paradigm. You just need to grow a startup society capable of crowd funding a cruise ship. Your society wouldn't start with something so expensive. It is started by something more modest, territory around the

world connecting it into a network archipelago. But you have a startup city with tens of thousands of members, something as crazy as a crowdfunded cruise ship becomes a possibility.

What's funny about this is that, I mean I remember, like fifteen years ago when Ron Paul was really popular and there were people on the left, not that I'm supporting the people on the left, but they were criticizing these libertarian Silicon Valley oligarchs, because even back then, in like two thousand and seven, eight nine, you had libertarian oligarch guys talking about creating their own floating cities so that they could be outside of the balands of any

laws of any nation state. And again, it's just it's like,

it's weird. It's like we're stepping back into all of the conspiracies of two thousand and seven and eight when Ron Paul was at his peak, and but now the right is being coaxed into and tempted into accepting, i think basically just technocracy under the guise of it being anti communist, anti collectivist and somehow Bays and trad because oh, well, we're gonna have hierarchy as of hierarchy itself is somehow like Bays and trad when it can you can have

a hierarchy that's a bunch of degenerates and wicked people.

on either side. I'm very concerned because into traditional Hegelian dialectic faction, you're gonna have a lot of people who are going to reject this very autocratic, top down type of control state, which is kind of overtly technocratic, and they're going to offer other options, solutions, if you will. And I'm seeing a movement towards this what I think, And I wrote an article about the technological age of Aquarius h third Way dream or digital dystopia was the title.

But I'm talking about how they're using essentially third way politics to create a radical center. Now it's very deceptive because again people think center, oh, this is, you know, very balanced, moderate type of politics, and that's appealing to people, right and it's beyond it's trans It's transpartisan is the

term the buzzword they're using. So this is, you know, beyond the two party illusion, beyond the two party do Optly a lot of people recognize there's obviously flaws in you know, this kind of Hegelian two party system, but they're using it to create third way politics, which are always left of center. That the radical center is not in the center, it's left of center. Anthony Giddens himself says that in his Third Way book. So they're using that,

I think, to usher in technocratic movements. And you've now got Elon Musk talking about his American Party, who is supporting that Andrew Yang from the Forward Party.

way politics guiding us towards technocratic movements. And then we also still have the game b people who are very active, uh you know, they're creating all sorts of networks and technologies. There's a technology called no Map. They changed the name, of course, you know, but they changed it to the S seven Foundation, but it was no Map and they literally said it was about inhabiting the no sphere. So they're still they're very, very active, and they're going to

present themselves as you know, they're decentralized. It's often kind of it's often to your own tyranny, of course in my opinion, but it's very much couched in this whole love and light. So I think a lot of people who are going to reject this top down autocratic algocracy that's kind of overt from the dark Enlightenment are and to say, oh, we've got this movement over here which we can choose and we have options, and it's you know,

it's so soft, it's divine mother, you know. Also, you know, I'm half kidding but I think that that's what we're going to see is people ushered into that. And you have these people in the quote unquote Freedom Movement, and there's a lot of overlap with the two, this left and right, because they do operate through whatever path they

need to. And we have I use the Phoenix Conspiracy as kind of the metaphor for this this particular article, But there is an actual operation going on right now that's called Operation Phoenix, and it is the United Independence who are running it. And RFK has now joined in with them. And I think this is actually quite key, and it's a very integral component because I think RFK

was kind of at home. Maha movement, I think was a big in my opinion, it was kind of very deceptive ploy to get people in, you know, the people who might not have been sold on Trump. A lot of them were right. So you had RFK and the Maha movement, and who could argue with Maha. I mean, the messaging make America healthy again. I mean, I'm all on board. Let's get rid of pesticides and seed o loyals and you know, fake garbage and chemicals. I'm all

on board with the messaging of that. But I was warning even before Trump got elected that he's a huge proponent of precision AI medicine. This goes back, I mean, it goes back further than Obama. But you can go back and look at his you know, precision medicine document on the Obama White House archives and he and he talks about using this whole uh you know, uh, I

forgot the acronym. But it's all about using the like behavioral modification to basically brainwash people into the you know, Internet of nanobile things is essentially what it talks about. And so you now have RFK talking about how MAHA is MABA, which is the make America biotech technical again right, No, make make America biotech accelerate. That's the term, right, How

could I forget accelerate accelerationism? And he literally that's literally what MABA is And he's talking about how that's what MAHA really is is make America biochech accelerate. And he's talking about how everybody should be wearing wearables so that the Internet of wearables and in that Path to Mass Surveillance article, I outlined like all the the Internet of things, the Internet of everything, the Internet of wearable. This is all part of how they build their fifteen minute cities,

which I know you've covered extensively. So I just I caution people because this is kind of how whether or not it's intentionally you know, a dielectrical framework, I think that they use it in that fashion, and so they push, they steer peace. But when they recognize that one is not working so well, they're going to prop up the other in order to get their agenda to march towards the Omega point to use you know, the Kurs.

algorithm that they're coding and you know, telling it basically. Also, I think that AI is kind of a scam because it's it's it's really just tailoring its answers to each individual person to sort of inflate the ego of the individual person and make them think that they're coming to all these great conclusions and that they're really getting you know, they're really getting this wealth of information out of this glorified search engine, which is just an audio search engine.

It's basically all AI is at this point. But it's becoming. It's going to become a companion. It's going to become your kind of personal avatar, like you see in the movie Her We're Walking, Yes, falls in love with his operating system, his AI. So that's going to be I think the locus of control according to Lenny A, how does AI fit into this?

ever will. That's my opinion, But I think that they can convince people and that will have very similar ramifications, and I think those ramifications will be incredibly dystopian. So you know, it doesn't actually have to achieve sentience to achieve the result that they're looking for if they can convince enough people that it's sentient. So I do.

around even fantasy ideologies. For example, what if there's a smart city And I'm saying this kind of on the basis of the Disney theme park model. You know what if there's a city a community that is you know, Harry Potter World, then you go And I mean, I'm I'm not kidding either. I'm saying, like people that are so committed to living in sort of fantasy world where you sort of go to these places and maybe you

don't even have to physically go to them. Maybe you live in them, like in Ready Player one, in a virtual world for most of your life or something. Does that? I mean, when you think about Prospera or I think about freedom cities or these things they want to construct, whether they become dystopian or whether they really do have

maybe some kind of free movement. I don't know, but like you said, like if you maybe you sign into Star Wars Wars World, if you're a super soy man, you go live in Star Wars World for ten years, and then you get tired of living there, but you've signed a smart contract for your you know, bio, but your biodata for the next twenty years. You can't get out of this contract. You can't leave Star Wars World. You're stuck there. I mean, is this possible? You know

what I mean? Is this what we're looking at where everybody's basically a giant tech experiment that's being surveiled. And the reason I say that is Jamie and iwer Hat. I'll let you talk over those. But we were at Disneyland one time, this is the last time we went, maybe like seven years ago, and we were talking about how it's just kind of a funny thought to think about.

If you were watching Disney World or Land from a drone or from up above, you would see a bunch of wearing little mouse hats, you know, running around like a mouse maze, like you were being studied in sort

of like some big mouse science experiment. So do you think that that's where we're going into this world where we don't have nation states the way we've thought about them in the past, but we have these sort of idea states or imaginal states that are maybe not even states but megacities where you sort of sign over your rights and your biology and your data to live in some sort of UBI smart city thing or something.

things are not so far off. And there's that Black Mirror episode where they're like on the bikes powering, and they've talked about being able to mind crypto using human you know power. So all of this technology, especially as it advances, does pink kind of a very dystopian type of network state. But this is why the network state concept came out of the c Setting com which, by the way, I think is very reminiscent of Gilliam Maxwell's TerraMar. That's just a total side.

physical locale, but it's really more about you could have somebody across the world who is and Curtis Jarvin talks about how it's one of the most like horrendous quotes I've ever read in my own life. It's so awful. But he says that the humane alternative to genocide would be to virtualize human beings. And this is in his patchwork positive vision. I don't know, it doesn't sound all that positive to me, but maybe I just have a I'm not wearing his rose colored glasses, so I don't

see it that way. But yeah, he's so he's talking about creating technoplastic beings, which is what the term that Nick Land uses. So it's all moving towards this transhuman vision. And of course game B says they're opposed to transhumanism. They're not, but I mean Barbara Marxs Hubbard was one of like the grandmothers of the transhuman movement. She actually called Christ transhuman and she wrote this book like Escape

from Armageddon, and in that she calls Christ transhuman. And she's not talking about because he's you know, a.

you know, the architect Buckminster Fuller. But she talking about Yes, she said, her dear friend Bucky, and she said she told him that, you know, she had this vision that she had to rewrite the New Testament, and so she took it upon herself to do so. And he was so proud of her. He said he had the same vision and he's so glad that she did it. So, you know, these are the people that we're dealing with.

In Tragy and Hope, there's a very important middle chapter as well as chapters discussing the move away from international law that was set up, you know, post Enlightenment for nation states, and then we're moving into a globalization period where and Quickly talked about this the future would be neo feudal And in the middle of the book there is an entire chapter about the future cities which will

be run by AI giant supercomputers. So even in the nineteen sixties, Quickly as well was talking about the managerial state, the efficiency state, the technocratic state. This was planned a long time ago, and you know, it's just really difficult to get people, whether the right or left, to look at long ranging, multi decade, you know, even of century plus plans to bring about this kind of a you know, essentially, you know, Huxley and Brave new World scenario is really

what this I think is going to result in. But tell us about techno feudalism.

these that's essentially what it looks like. But that that is what he says that he says the capitalism has already done that, that it's already over. But that, yeah, where we're what we're already in this techno feudal state. And he's he uses the justification of things like you know, Amazon and Google and Facebook and all these social media platforms.

And he says that in particular in the past few years, because things went much more remote, that kind of accelerated those fifetoms because they have so much power over our economic and social world today. So yeah, I I don't know that we're in a fully techno feudal society currently. I'm not quite that, you know, black piled, but I do think that that's their goal and I think that is very much if things go the way they're going,

that we're headed in that direction. If things don't change, Yeah, so that does seem to be.

Texas floods. But yeah, so I don't know if we can say that definitively that that's what caused it, but he pretty much did kind of allude to that in his It was like a few minute interviews. And then we have the Gundobros and I talk about them in the article as well, and they're directly tied to military technology, and so they're using this kind of Christian identity. But again it's at the banner and a lot of these Christian nationalists who are affiliated with Doug Wilson are talking

about replacing the Constitution. They want a theocracy, they want to replace it with you know, they call it biblical law.

a distant future kind of concept. We in almost every state in the United States they have digital governance summits. There is a portal on chat GPT which is a chat gpg dot gov and you have to be a government official to use it. We have, of course, the AI World Society, which says this is the centennial vision for the UN, which is a twenty forty Right there, they claim that we're going to have this AI world society, and in there they say we'll supplant all human government

with AI. This is a concept that now they're talking about Grock in the Pentagon Grock governance. So this is just there was the AI dot gov. I was actually on Harrison Show recently talking about this. So they started back in twenty nineteen. It was under Trump, and then it went from White House dot gov a slash AI, and then Biden advanced a lot of the agendas around it, and it went back and forth AI doc of White

House stock of slash AI. Now it supposedly was going to launch July fourth, but there was a leak people like me who opened our big mouths, and so I'm not the one who discovered it, but I talked about it, and so they didn't actually transition it. But AI dot

gov still redirects to White House STOCUV. So I mean, this is an agenda, clearly, and it's not in the distant future, this idea of having And then when I talked about these third way, you know, technocratic movements, whether it's game B or they have different variations of it, but it's already being utilized in many states. This notion of using blockchain voting like rank choice voting, right fiction voters, well though.

This doesn't always worked out so well. So I don't know how people think this is going to work out in your you know, network state with strangers, but somehow it's all.

even need this tokenization of everything in the world. So I would say that a lot of these are probably not that there's not a real danger, but a lot of these are probably just pumping dump schemes to get people, Oh, this is the next big crypto trend in the future to tokenize all real world assets, and that's going to immediately dump when the when the bull market ends.

that you wanted all along. So that's the key point here is that they want to blow up the old system, whether it's education, whether it's economics, whether it's the nation state, whether it's voting, all of it. Oh, look how bad it was. See how it was a subject to human frailty and human emotions and people, you know, corrupt to politicians. We can fix all that. The algorithms are going to run at all, and it's going to be a perfect system.

that tells you they want a revolution. But then of course the democracy concept is really important because they do want to target the West, and most of the West is democracy. And of course they want to use the blueprint of some of these surveillance states that are already set up in the East. And all of these movements talk about scalability, whether it's going to be you know, they talk about planetary scalability, that term planetary right, the planetary citizen. That's a Robert Mueller.

That you know, when you talked about christ consciousness, that comes straight out of Alice Bailey and Madame Blavatsky, they use that term, but he his whole world core curriculum comes straight out of the Education in the New Age Alice Bailey's work. But he talks about in that document like I did just a quick scan and I already got to close to one hundred times where he's planetary citizen. And I think it was very heavily influenced by Abraham Maslow.

with the long Now Foundation. Right the long Now does all those dialogues with people like Jonathan Hat and Jonathan Hate is kind of a you know, a disciple of of Abraham Maslow. Some of the younger crops are people like Scott Barry Kaufman, so they're using that humanist movement. Of course, a Jason to Escelin as well as the positive psychology movement usher in a lot of these ideas and concepts, and Game B is very much wrapped in

all of that. But the Document of Politics three he enters this term of holistic politics, which I very much think you was a part of what the UN ran with with their planetary politics. And in Game B they talk about planetary scale, and of course, you know, the goal for the Dark Enlightenment is the same, and the Network States is of course, you know, it's a worldwide vision.

And that I mean just even the Internet off and spending so much we've Jamie and I've been talking about this this week, just how much time we spend on the Internet, even though yeah, it's our job, you know, it's how we make a living, but even that is, like I feel like it's just way too much, and there's a real danger. I think that the Internet itself is this potential future you know, octopus monstrosity that will

basically it's a web spider's web. I know that's kind of a cornball analogy, but it's like I'm almost starting to think that, like, you know, when we're able to retire, you know, maybe we should just try to spend as the future will be a new set of elites who actually don't spend much time on the Internet. How's that?

again to talk about very deceptive types of movements. Right, we had the medical freedom movement, which he was a huge part of, and you know, the freedom movement in general. That people perceive him as being a right winger, and he is a very progressive self admittedly, you know, ideologically.

the whole woke anti woke was a dialectical operation. Intentionally, it's to trap people in that conversation because a lot of the people who were anti woke, it's not that they were conservative or you know, in any fashion, it's just that, you know, they argued very logical things like, yeah, a woman's a woman, man's a man, and why are we discussing craziness?

not the whole West. Not that I don't you know, support the West, but you know, this is and obviously we grew out of the West, but it's the Republic, and so that's very specific. And he keeps talking about the West, not the Republic. But he ends the speech with about five minutes talk and he starts his you know, entry to the conclusion is that we have to phoenix the Republic. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what does you mean by this? You know, that's that's a

strange statement. And he goes on to say how we have basically have to tear it down and you know, build it up because of the you know, because of the trajectory that we're on, and he uses the whole evolutionary biology analogy of how you know, when biology we have this uh, you know, genetic traits that are passed through, uh, you know, the these species, and but we don't have that now, so we need to tear down and basically

tear it down so we can build back better. But I had looked, it's a rumor, and I cannot find the video, so I can't corroborate this. But apparently a

year earlier it would make sense. Again, this is hearsay, so I don't know if it's true, but I do know it is true that he was a keynote speaker at this United Independence which, by the way, is Christopher Life, who is the founder of this United Independence movement, which encompasses people like Andrew Yang and the Forward Party and lots of other quote unquote independent movements which are not

really independent at all. But Christopher Life is a game be advocate and also worth noting very tied in with Charles Eisenstein sacred economics, which is where tokenized economics is going under the spiritual kind of concept of sacred economic and Charles Ezenstein was also the running Arf Case campaign, and so that's fourth noting. And in this United Independence twenty twenty three, supposedly the title of Brett Weinstein's keynote speech was what was it the self governance and Phoenix

and the Republic. Now again I can't corroborate that's the name of the speech, but in my article I do have a picture of the phoenix. In this twenty twenty three you have to go to the way back because it's kind of paywallt now the site of it. He talks about independence rising above the ashes a failing system, and I just so I saw this in the Independent. You know, it's what I call indie sphere. It's really

non truly independent. For those who aren't familiar with my reference on this, it's that I come from a film background, and in the film industry it's very different now because of the distribution models have completely changed. But you know, back in the day, you had kind of the big like Hollywood studios and obviously these are your big blockbuster films, and you know, huge hundred you know, multiple hundred million

dollar projects, and then you had like truly independent. So this might be a student film, this might be somebody in their basement to scramble together resources and some cash and made a project, and you had what I called what we're called indie films, and these might be five one to twenty million dollar project. I don't know about you, but you know, if I want to make a film, I don't have even one million dollars in my back pocket to do you know, a vanity project. I just don't,

and most people don't. So oftentimes what happened was these quote unquote indie projects were backed and they became a propaganda vehicles. Now I'm not saying the artists knew that or that they were wittingly advancing some sort of a propaganda machine, but the people who were investing in them

were investing in them for those purposes. And then seeing this replicated in the media right now, where we have a lot of people who look independent, but they're getting funding and they're inde So whether it's being propped up through algorithms, it's also it's often a hybrid, you know, of modalities, so you know, that's a you know, it's a combination of things. It's not usually just one thing. Sometimes it is like, oh, they're backed by foreign interests

and they're they're pumped up. It's usually not quite that simple. It's usually much more nuanced than that. However, I saw in this this indie sphere of the media. These people who keep talking about the two party you know, illusion how there's a problem with the two party system. Now I'm not saying that they're not correct. Even George Washington warned us against the two but they're going to.

with quote unquote independence. And these independents again are you know, people who support things like using blockchain voting and UBIS and so it's it's technocratic even though it seems more socialists, but it's scientific socialism, which.

I'm just kidding. We don't have that. That's a joke. I wanted to blow your minds with the fake products. And people always ask about that ad. They're like, why do you have that weird ad of the guy talking about chalk with the Indian voice and the woman's voice. That's a joke ad on purpose that the Chalk dude made because we thought it was funny. So yes, it's a real ad, but it's a joke, real ad, so it's levels of meta that nobody's even gonna understand. Spireau

Fhiloropolis twenty pounds. He says, this is timely. I hope people are paying attention to this. On my streams, I go over how these people infect the world that we write as programmers. It's very insidious. It's literally in their code. Stay safe, Yeah, I think that. Like even Jack Dorsey had this interesting comment. He said that it's not really AI that we should be worried about in the sense

of what's the danger right now? It's that the algorithms are controlling and steering you into what they want you to see, what they want you to know, and shuttling away anything that they don't want to see it. So, actually we're governed by algorithms, and I mean AI is basically that too. But I mean that's the problem here, is like it's eventually going to shut out anything that they don't want in the discord.

For example, does she have books on Plan B, dark Enlightenment or anything like that?

If that's your thing. They do dialgos, so I would probably start with I did do a three and a half hour presentation, so if long presentations are your thing, I did it for Rising Tide Foundation on Game B. And so that's a kind of an overview and be from my perspective, which is admittedly a critical perspective on

Game B, but it's pretty extensive. Then in that presentation, I showed half of a film that you can go watch the full length film, and I recommend if this is something you're curious about, that you check it out. It's on the STOA, which is a Game B kind

of a forum. They do other things as well, but the STOA on YouTube, and they have a film it's I think it's eighteen nineteen minutes and it's called Initiation to Game B. As if that doesn't say everything, it's an initiation to Game B. And so you can watch that film. That'll give you a really good kind of overview of what Game B is. There's Jim Rutt, so I would look at he's got a lot. They love medium, so they use medium as their platform. There's he has

a Journey to Game B where he outlines it. He's I think he started it maybe twenty eighteen, but he's updated it since and it's pretty extensive. It's very long, it's interesting. In it, he predicts that the proto game b's are going to be in twenty forty, which I think is really interesting. I'm sorry, twenty forty five, which I think is really interesting because right, that's the AI world society. That is also the Singularity, Right, that's he says,

that's when the proto games are going to murder. I just think that's a it was an interesting time marker. Uh. So there's that. You can look at a lot of his writing, mostly in those that format medium. Uh. There is also Jordan Hall. He has deep Code and he's both on medium and substack. His Sibyan project I will give you a really good understanding of game b. Uh. There's also Daniel Schmockenberger. Interestingly enough, a bunch of these people, the game b people are actually members of the Club

of Rome. We've got Zach Stein, We've got Noura Basin. Nora Bason is the daughter of Gregory and Gregory bateson Mead and so there there's also the Office of the Future.

He's written several books as well, so you can read his work. And then of course Danish Schmanckenberger was the other one. So there are many more game b people, but those are some of the big ones who have done quite a bit of writing as well as dialoguing and podcasting. So you can look at there where Curtis Jarvin has no shortage of written material. You can get his online Unqualified Reservations going all the way back to two thousand and seven. You can actually buy the book.

I think I have links to it in my article, but it's all online for free as well if you prefer that. Some of it is on the way back machine, because I think you know, things like when the alternative to the humane alternative to genocide are not so popular ideas now some of this seem to be you know, taken off, but he has that. He also has this Gray Mirror substack, which is more recent, and he has copious writings there which will give you really a lot

of insight into his work. Nick Land does have some books. He also has his Xenosystems blogs that goes back at least a decade, and he has now Gothic Zeno is his updated version of that. So and then Belaji Shrina Boston has the Network State Book. It's both available online and in kindle form. So and then all of the people are you know who? They're ideological and intellectual mentors. Obviously I could probably compile a whole list, but that's

probably a good start for people. I know that was long.

If you look at AI and the code and the mathematical science behind it, AI can never be sentient and not buy into Yeah, we totally agree with that. Jam Al twenty dollars. What about Protestantism is an attractor of these intellectuals like Jordan hall Well, Protestism is very uh di I y. I mean anybody can be a Protestant minister, starts your own church, open up a so it's very amenable to a business model kind of Christianity.

Orthodox Church as an institution. I don't know which one he meant. Straight white male ten dollars. Does Courtney think that people we'll be using Christian nationalism as a vehicle to subvert an accurate form of Christian nationalism.

out soon. When is that going to be available? I definitely want to read that, and I think you should probably take this subsecment Heial and put that into a book.

astick Jacob Flatter. I'm hoping to have that done by September that I have a preview of it up on my substack currently, so you want to sneak peak of it that's available there, but hopefully by September. What else is there going to say? I do think that I just want to add one more thing on the Christian nationalism. And I'm not a theological expert obviously that I will defer to you on that, but I would say that I don't see their the ideology and even the theology

that they're presenting as being commensurate with Christianity. This is a very forceful movement. This is a tricky put much more bluntly than yeah, than I would have but yes, exactly, that's how I And also, by.

as well. You can also support me by getting the book, which I don't think it'll be ready in July because I'm having to do some revisions, so it might be September four esoterically with three the books don't I just had to rewrite some paragraphs and some sections that were they Chris was was right. They were not very well written. They needed to be they needed to be readone so

we got most of that ironed out. I just have one last thing to do and then he'll make those corrections and hopefully we can get the book out as soon as possible. You can, of course, get all the other books. We are still behind on book orders, so you don't have to message me. I know that you guys want your books. I'm going to get them to you as quick as possible. I promise you the book is done. It will be I mean, for the most

part it's done. I have to rewrite some sections, but I think you guys are gonna like us start Clay with three. It's a little bit different, but some of the same. It's enough of the same that you'll like it. So get your copies of that and get to take us to the Ludwell Orthodox Conference. According to do you have any engagements or events you're doing anytime soon?

you're your own God. So I see that throughout everything.

Do post some of this type of material, but I'm definitely active on there as well, and Substack. I'm very active on there with all of my articles and stuff.