Today, I want to talk about a subject that we touched on a little bit in previous fourth hours of the show, but we didn't really go deep with an expert guest. So today I have my friend Tim Gordon who's coming
on. I can't think of anybody better to cover this topic of religious engineering and why religious engineering and what we call institutional capture when it comes to the attempt of various power blocks, various NGOs, various think tanks, entities, but very wealthy families that would like to take religious institutions and steer them and co opt them into a certain direction. Tim Gordon is an author, He's a commentator, He is a Catholic, I would say insider, you could
say, who knows a lot about the inner workings of the Vatican. We're not just gonna talk about the Vatican. We're gonna get into the topics of the new World religion that they're trying to engineer and bring about the New Age kind of feminist religion. And because they want to emasculate religion and emasculate Western civilization, they also really promote feminism. And that's why Tim is great for all three of those topics. He is the author of rules for retrogrades,
case for patriarchy, and don't go to college. So Tim, let's start it off with the question of the corruption of the Vatican and the Catholic Church. Not to single out the Vatican. Certainly this corruption is rife within the Orthodox Church the Protestant world as well, But could you give us a breakdown of like why the Gano and these different figures that are very well known, why have they written these critiques and warned about what's going on in the papacy.
Thanks for having me on today. Certainly Begano is a holy man in the Catholic Church. That's pointing out what this Vatican under Francis has undertaken since almost right off the bat in this pontificate. Really the second summer he was posted a year and a half in summer of twenty fourteen, Jeffrey Sachs, you guys all the well and bon key Moon of the UN spent much of the summer at the Vatican helping him to write his document on like environmentalism and
conservationism called Laudato c which lends to the population control agenda. That was summer of twenty fourteen. There's also been Vatican collusion in a similar direction with the w EF at Davos. Over the last four years, it's all population control
in the name of environmentalism. There at Davos w EF. There's been thoroughgoing Vatican collusion with China CCP China and even the kind of I don't know, ratification of take CCP sponsored bishops that Catholic Church, Catholic Ponti should never seed over to in extrinsic force, particularly once so hustle of the church as the Communists. So remember even a little bit further back, there were the emails
that were dumped on Wiki leaks. This is going back to, you know, a week before twenty sixteen Trump election, and of course it's like the third third and a half year of the Francis pontificate when guys like Podesta, we're saying that there's going to be a Catholic spring, heavily insinuating a kind of collusion between the Obama Clinton axis of America and the new Vatican, which
is Pope Francis. And this is all culminating this fall with a sid my church, the Roman Catholic Church in Rome in October, which really seems to be nothing other than preparation for Agenda twenty thirties realization, and that has all kinds of situations for your second and your third your third theme today, Jay, which is new world religion and feminist matriarchy taking over everything. They're all
kind of the same topic. Yeah, And for those that are maybe not familiar with the Orthodox view, we have a similar situation with what we call the ecumenical patriarch it, who's kind of the first amongst the bishops and the Orthodox Church in terms of honor and historical privilege. And your ecumenical patriarch it is also on board with all the exact same things that Tim is talking about,
with the push for inclusive capitalism, the push for environmentalism. I think Bartholome even penned a book that was promoted by Al Gore and Bill Clinton on the you Know you n Agenda twenty thirty style austerity population control agenda, even
though they might not openly say they support population control. If you're supporting you know, the Lynn Racheld agenda of inclusive capitalism and the World Economy Form Davos set, then you are supporting by extension, the population control agenda because you can't divorce, you know, the un UNESCO from that. Pet UNESCO is set up by Julian Huxley by design when he wrote the philosophy UNESCO for the purpose of rebranding depopulation as a kind of you know, left us the cause
of helping the developing nations by reducing population. And now that's been expanded beyond reducing population of the Third world to the entire world, and particularly the Western world. And one of the key things that had the target was the Vatican. And I think there's a long process of this. One last thing I'll say on this before I throw back to you, is we all know about this in the Cold War, with the way that the Soviets, for example,
would replace bishops in Russia with KGB bishops. So you have these kind of you know, guys that were really just KGB kind of wearing cloaks and investments pretending to be bishops. And a lot of people knew that this was the case. And I think people think, oh, well, that was the Cold War that happened back then. We're not in the Cold War anymore.
But but it's not any different in the sense that you can have essentially compromised prelates across the board, and the same thing goes for the Protestant world as well. For example, the Rockefeller family famously bought and paid for multiple seminaries and universities for Protestants to attend to ministers specifically so that they could be trained in the social Gospel, essentially kind of liberal gospel which removed all of
the miracles. And could you tell us a little bit for example, I know, Tim, you've talked a lot about things like Bella Dodd and what do you think is going on with the infiltration with these kinds of examples that go back to the Cold War? The danger for Alex's audience hears to think the Orthodox Church, Catholic Church are being infiltrated. Doesn't this mean that there's
something wrong like root and branch with the plant. No, it actually means that look, the sacramental Episcopal Christian Church churches, we can we can go through that at another time. These are the number one target because they've got seven sacraments and there they have bishops who stand directly in line of the apostles.
That's why they're being targeted because they don't have the vetting powers that the NSA or the O and I, or the FBI or the CIA have they don't so in Orthodox seminaries or Catholic seminaries, they're they're simply just taking people on their good word. And sometime after the Shadow of Winter Palace nineteen seventeen, sometime after the French Revolution, the enemy here on earth realized that they could infiltrate. And this is a matter of geopolitics as much as it is
a matter of concern for Christians like you or me. We have, of course several records of this. You mentioned Bella dott Ja, I mean Bella dot after she was a Catholic. It's HOWI an American girl who fell away from the faith, fell in with Stalinist Russia and was planting, implanting evil
guys in Catholic seminaries at the behest directly of Stalin, she claims. After she reverted to the faith, at the behest of Archbishop Fulton Sheen, she admitted to having placed eleven hundred men in Catholic seminaries, and she said a handful of them are in the highest places of the Vatican right now. For some reason, Mike Chagrin, Archbishop Fulton, she didn't have her name names,
but she did a tremendous amount of evil. There's another account of this by a French Canadian nun who tended to a guy who had been in a motorcycle accident called the Confessions of AA ten twenty five or sometimes SS ten twenty five, or he had a dossiers which more or less vindicated what Bella Dodd had said. He, in other words, is presumably one of those eleven
hundred plants that Bela Dodd had made into North American Catholic priesthood. And he was he was essentially an evil dude who is of the LGBT persuasion that would from within corrupt the doctrine and bend it in a feminist direction, bend it in a religiously syncretistic direction that means all religions are the same stuff you hear from from Stoner's every day in bad movies, and bend it in a one world government direction. And there's a kind of there's not a trification there are.
Those are three parts of the same attack. So this plan had gone even even further back into history, into the middle nineteenth century, and we know it in terms of intercepted documents by the popes in the middle eighteen hundreds. One of the documents is called the Permanent Instruction of the ultim Adita Yeah, which is an attack by P two Lodge, basically Secret Society's highest secret
society in Italy. There saying we are going to take the next hundred years until about the middle twentieth century, and even though the soldier will die, the march will carry on. We're going to corrupt Catholic doctrine which had not been corrupted to that point, had never been touched for nineteen hundred years. We're going to do it from within. So whether you're talking Marxist, Mason, or some other term for it, the same stuff was going on at
the late nineteenth century early twentieth century. And it's not just conspiracy theory the way like Goofball left cats will charge a far right wing Catholic of holding. You have the writings of popes like Leo the thirteenth turn of the century, Popes leave the thirteenth, Pious the tenth even want them by Pious the ninth on a kind of modernist infiltration of the church, which will conduce to these
precise three themes that you and I are talking about today. And by the way, folks out there might not know what a papal and cyclical is, Jay, but it's, as you know, a papal letter of usually warning to all of the faithful, all the bishops in the world. The most common topic, the mode of encyclical topic, of all the various topics that all the people and cyclicals have been written on at the Catholic Church is infiltration
by secret societies. So it's it's not exactly yeah. And to back Tim's point up there what he's talking about, there's actually a single book that actually covers this. It's a great book called Popes Against the Modern Errors. And I'm citing this because it really shows what Tim's talking about is in a conspiracy the or bit rather really the Western Episcopal teaching for a long time until you begin to have these fissures where there's a really strong push, like he said,
for a lot of Masonic ideas. P two is a great example because as you guys know here on the Fourth Hour and on my channel, we've we've done a lot of deep dives into the history of the P two Lodge and their connection. Eventually, two elements within the CI, particularly Kissingers who found PD to be a formative way to not just control the government of Italy, but to actually set up the Gladio network, which we've covered when we
lectured through the Paul Williams Gladio text. He's a Catholic professor who's a little more on the left side of things. But what we found interesting when we dove into that was that his overall thesis also ties into a pro CIA, right wing Catholic narrative that we got from John Kaylor, who's kind of authoritative when it comes to the history of the Stazzi. Both of those texts really point out that you have an infiltration of the of the religious world from the
secret societies, Masonic networks allied with certain elements of the CIA. And I don't want to be too overly broad, because you know, if you have British intelligence or the CIA and the Cold War, certainly there were a lot of right wing elements within those structures that wanted to promote Catholicism, wanted to
promote genuinely conservative ideas. But the problem is that the real pros Jayder of Jaysonalysis, we were just talking about religious infiltration and how intelligence agencies government secret societies have attempted, at least for the last few centuries. You can go back to the ancient world as well, to try to control the church, to try to control what would be preached from the various religious organizations, to
steer them in the direction what the state wants. You know. There's there's an old movie that I think of called Beckett and it's about the history of Thomas Beckett in England. And in that In that movie, Peter O'Toole plays the evil king who puts his drinking buddy in as the Archbishop of Canterbury to try to control the church. And this is a big problem in the West
and the East as well. It's known as the Invested Your controversy. In the East, you have the history of this with various emperors trying to control and change the theology of the church. So this is nothing new. And if we get to the modern period, if you think about the British Empire, a lot of people don't know or they may have forgotten, that the British Empire controlled through basic ideas like divide and conquer. There's a great book
called Secret Affairs written by a royal society researcher. So this is this is somebody from high level and establishment, and he's just really tracing the history of the British empires usage of radical Islam. And so one of the ways that people try to control is through controlled opposition, and that can include religious groups, especially if they're really radical. So the British Empire would use these radical Muslims to really divide and conquer in the Arab world so that they could contro
troll year of the world. That was one of the jobs that for example, Kim Philby Senior had, or that T. E. Lawrence had, if you've seen Lawrence of Arabia, that's about that. And the American super establishment, the superstructure, they've basically inherited the same thing, and they want to control entities like the Catholic Church. This was famously known as the doctrinal warfare program of CD Jackson coming out of the CIA, and I've been lecturing
on Mockingbird recently. Operation Mockingbird included CD Jackson as well as a lot of Hollywood people, So you know what we were talking about there was the Cold War stuff, and really what I was trying to get to was just that that that power structure that was really in the background of the Cold War that really liked a lot of elements of Fabian socialism. They didn't really like Sovietism, but they liked socialism and slow kill slow communism known as Fabian socialism.
And you could see that actually with the Rockefellers, who in their author's biography there's a whole chapter on their ding of two different things that we're going to talk about now, first of which is a new world religion. Pillars wrote tons of money into the UN World Council churches with the explicit goal of bending and turning Christianity to a new kind of Christianity that melds more in a syncretistic way, like like Tim said, with an emerging world religion that they will
control. And this is the ecumenical patriarchate. This is a Francis and a lot of people in the Roman Catholic world as well, and many of the Protestant leaders too, including Jewish and Muslim leaders that I think go back to some of these older controlled groups as well. So, Tim, what do you think about this push for a new world religion? Is this a real
thing going on with mainline religious groups without a doubt the evidence planary. I think you're second to none in terms of being voice pick it shows it's absolutely real. There are a lot of people online that assert the conclusion ball what I've always respected about j who bring the receipts. I mean, look, if someone out there, whether they're a Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic Christian, is still scratching the heads skeptically, consider the Abu Dhabi Statement signed in
twenty nineteen by Francis and other world religious leaders. To me, this is the ultimate source document. The main paragraph here that's now famous infamous is it reads as such, the pluralism and the diversity of religions, color, sex, race, and language are willed by God in his wisdom through which he created human beings. Now it was a slide of hand, because of course we're used to liberalism by now one hundred and fifty two hundred years shoving down
our throats the diversity of all these other categories. And they're not nearly so offensive, irrespective of what your real view on it is, they're not nearly so dangerous as diversity of religions, particularly when you're saying that the diversity of religions meaning true faith, the one true faith, irrespective what you think it
is, and all the false faiths are willed together by God. And there's an important distinction here, not just willed by God in what we call his permissive will, those those wicked things which he will suffer, which he will allow because of the free will of human beings, but specifically in his wise will, are willed by God in his wisdom. So this is to say, in his proper will, his wise will, this cannot be. There
are a couple of bishops you mentioned, Vegano in the Catholic Church. There's also our Archbishop athanacious Schneider, whose aptly name one of the one of the other heroes in the Catholic Church, who rushed to point out that this cannot happen. God might allow the diversity of religion, which just means error.
It just means arrant religion to coexist alongside true religion. He might allow it to exist in what we call his permissive will, that's a kind of equivocal name for it, but not in his wise will, in terms of what Providence actually designed and hopes for if human beings make the right decision. So this is this is proof. This is like I mean, you could and you do, Jay, You can cite book after book after book of good
stuff, and you always bring the receipts. But this is a record, as we would say in the law, the Abbi statement is ground ground zero for proving the case to skeptics. Yeah, a great example, and that's actually the basis for the multi faith center that they built. An ab Abby, which is this idea that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam can have a kind of a chapel, a triad chapel of evil, as if they all
believe the same thing. And even though there might be a tacit recognition that there's differences, the idea here is, well, let's ignore all of the really significant differences, like Jesus right, and let's just pretend that we kind of all have the same idea. And you know, this is a manifestation of what I would say is the same power structure's plan from a long time
ago. Let me give an example, the very infamous HD Wells, who was a high level freemason by his own admission, who was an atheist at least in public perception. But he wrote a lesser known book that I have an old copy as the nineteen seventeen copy of his book God the Invisible King, and a lot of people think, well, he had to be some
kind of you know, scientism, soyman atheist. No, actually, if you look at what he says, if you go to page one oh one, he says that our god is actually Prometheus or Lucifer, and people don't know that he was actually a pre sixties counterculture new agreent. In that book and in other books, he says we're going to have to have a new Age religion. And his other cohort in Fabian Socialism was a woman named Elena
people Blovatsky, and she was a theosophist. And what's interesting that both of these characters, whether say she Wells or Bulbatsky, they were close to a group of people known as the Milner circles, and they were both Fabian Socialists, and they both pushed the idea of a new Age religion. In fact, and I think I'm pretty sure Blavatsky cites various Masonic authors to say that we will have to create a new Age religion to go along with the global
world federalist government. So this is not a new plan. It didn't come out with a bunch of boomers in the nineteen sixty smoking weed and say yeah, I mean we should just have what religion or no. No, this is an old, socially engineered plan by the wealthiest people in the West to have a religion that they control. And you know, like like Tim said, it's like it's it's explicitly there. Tim, we got about thirty seconds
here. What do you think about that? Well, I think for the folks out there who are level of religiosity, what they need to consider is why why would the evil elitists who run everything really do this? Here's why. Because the drive to know supernaturally or at least to worship supernaturally what we call organized religion, is a natural drive. It's a natural drive, and they know that even if they push reductionist materialism, there will always be that
supernatural drive. So they're going to cull it and steer it the way they want. No going where this is we brought back with themine. Welcome back to John Sean. I'm your guests host Jay Dyer of Jay's Analysis, and I want to remind you guys that look for that Sammy the Bull Gravano interview that we did with Alex and I was honored to be a fly on the wall to listen to that wild conversation that'll be coming out in a couple of
weeks. And I want to remind you guys too that if you go to my channel, you'll see some links to Jamie Kennedy, the comedian from Scream from Malibu's Most Want, And you know, we did a live show together in Los Angeles a couple of weeks ago, and Jamie had us on his podcast and it's over on his channel, the Jamie Kennedy Channel on YouTube. So it's a really wild, funny talk and a lot of people in Hollywood are getting getting red pilled, So go and check that out over on Jamie
Kennedy's channel. Today, my guest is, as you guys know, Tim Gordon of Rules for retro Gades, retro Grades, Well, it's fat wet, twelve waits. I can't say ours today, but Sam's got awesome books over there, and we're going to transition into the next segment, which is actually ties into what we're talking about with religious manipulation and the new age of world religion and so forth. Tim's kind of one of the pioneers out there
writing about the resurgence of patriarchy. And although Tim has some great books, he doesn't have a book with himself on the cover with a marshmallow gun like Kurt Russell in Escape from New York. So you can get my book over at Jasonalysis Essays on Theology and Philosophy, as well as my two Hollywood books. Signed copies in the shop at Jason Analysis. You want to support the work I do, you can get Tim books. Tim's books by going over to rules for retro Gades. Tim. Look, I'm listening to this.
I'm in the audience. I hear you guys talking about religious institutional subversion, and then I hear you talking about a new world religion. What in the world does that have to do with feminism and patriarchy? How does that connect everything? Literally everything? Christian masculinism is the true patriarchy, the true red pill for that matter, and it's literally even for our Protestant brether if the family re you know, the patriarchy means Christianity, it's you know, Orthodox
and Catholic. No, it's a bifurcated patriarchy. There's a clerical route, priests and bishops and the laity a lay route most of us who have wives and families. But the point is this Jay, the entire attack that these evil guys have been leveling on the Church's center around what for us is the
original sin, supplanting men with women. That's the original sin. Adam and Eve every now they think about this, how fundamental feminism is to the heart of all the isms, all the evil things that have ever killed human beings on planet Earth, in body and in soul. It's feminism. When when Adams stood down, Eves stood up right and say, John Chrisostom says, well, sorry, ladies, but a woman was tricked by a beast. Adam then got sort of counter tricked by a woman. But she's close to
his equal. But a woman was tricked by beast. That's how the serpent knew to go after the woman. So this is my book, The Case for Patriarchy, where we outlined that all of this collective psyopping of the West
in what I call third wave jenderdysphoria, you know, true transforming. That's not the real game, and neither was second wave dysphoria, which is you know that the L and the G and the b The original jener dysphoria is the attack on Christian masculinism by the feminists, which which took place really in the mid eighteen hundreds eighteen forty eight is win. There's something called the Seneca Falls Convention in upstate New York where Elizabeth Katy Stanton and other Satanists like that,
first wave feminists. I learned that from you and Rachel. First wave feminists got together and they outlined real feminism line by line. It's the same year that Marx and Engels did their thing, of course, but let's back it up a second first wave feminism, second wave feminism, third wave it's a distinction without a difference. If you look at the lines of the Seneca Balls Convention memorialized by Elizabeth Katie Stent in this document called Declaration of Sentiments,
it's just recognizable twenty twenty three feminism. They want women in the clergy. They want women most of all away from children, because that's really how they take control of this which is which is a huge part of the global elites you're talking about in the third nineteen thirties, forties fifties. They want moving away from men, want a war of sexes, and they want women in the workplace, specifically, not just out of the home, but out of
the home in the workplace. Then the state will run the kids, like
Book five of the Republic says. But dig this before I finish. When you trick a group of people that women can act like men and men can act like women, that's the original saint of Adam and Eve, then it's not such a big claim to say, well, women and men can act like one another in the bedroom, which is the L and the G and the B and conceptually, then it's not such a lad to go to the third iteration of gender dysphoria, which is all right, if a dude puts
on a dress because he can act like it, then he can identify as as a woman ontologically. And guess what, here's the real game. I convinced my friend Michael Knowles of this, and Matt Walsh over at the Daily Wire. The most destructive one, by ten to the power of three is the original feminism, right, That's what influenced all of us, root and
branch. We were all raised in the matrix of the matriarchy, and it was filtered through our churches Vatican too, verifies this through the twentieth century through our governments, and we're not really that influenced guys like you and I by l or g or b or t are we j. But everyone I knew, even the half of my friends who didn't come from a divorce household, it was their mom running the household. And that's what missed three one up.
That's what allows evil to prevail in the world, and that's what was the original sin. I'm taking a broadbeat. What do you what? You say? Yeah, I agree, and to bring it up to the twentieth century in terms of power groups, power leads. There's a lot of admissions
of this as well. That same authorized biography that I mentioned, the Rockefellers by Color and Horowitz, there's a whole chapter not just on the creation of a New World religion and the Acuminist movement, but there's a separate chapter that deals with the funding of feminism, particularly third way feminism. Abby Rockefeller gave a lot of money to that and really helped create things like Sell six teen, which was his radical Communist, Marxist feminist groups. And of course absolutely
those those movements typically coincide and go together again. You can go back to Lavatsky and her sort of pseudo early feminist movements as well, and then you go ideas, you go back to, like tim said Mary wollstone Craft, the French Revolution also radically equal egalitarian feminists, and then to bring it up to the present day in terms of so on. The mouthpieces of this one
of the psycho knots, Terrence McKenna himself, who worships the mushroom. Why he talked to the mushroom and the must room telled him that the religion of the future will be the Goddess to return. Literally, there's a whole chapter in True to the Gods about the Goddess being the religion of the future,
and we see a lot of these psycho knot guys as well. Just as another example pushing this in the counterculture the Aquarium Conspiracy, which is actually not a conspiracy text for those that don't know, it's a Tavistock created text by Marilyn Ferguson about how the world is going to change post sixties counterculture through the
corporate world and the educational system adopting feminism. The book is about feminine attitudes being adopted across the social sphere, corporate world, legal world, Tim, you can probably speak to that. So would you would you say that this has basically taken over the institutions beyond the religious world as well? Of course? I mean the religious takeover was actually last is we have more of adoptional starch blocking than you know. Government. Military was one of the last ones
to be infiltrated by the ladies, and sports is currently. Ironically, sports has given religion. I'm Christianity, what I care about Christianity a run for its money. Orthodox and Catholic are both being attempted to be overrun by women clerics, which is truly, truly, and yet it's sports of all things. Yeah, I mean I like sports. A lot of my fans and my viewers don't. They don't like the sports ball, but I do watch it. I do care about it. And if you don't care about it,
you still ought to be able to care about this. It occupies a major section, lobbying section, special interest section in a twenty thirty Why would that be, isn't it end of twenty thirty about ecology or some nonsense. It's a major section. It's culture war. They need women in sports. I have taken a shellacking so many times during an mm A fight or sometimes during the Tyson Fury Deantay Wild their trilogy fights where they're putting women on the
undercards. Why are they pushing this so hard? Why are they pushing the WNBA so hard? Even though twenty seven seasons it's never been in the black. Why are they pushing it? It doesn't work. These are businessmen, right. It's really important because there's something called the Female Athlete triad. It
meant women are getting so much testosterone that they stop having their periods. When are getting so much testosterone that something like ninety eight percent of the WNBA is purportedly l And this is important because it not only probably it's the culture wars, but it does so in a particular way where the family is going to be exploded, imploded from outside pressure. Why would that be? That's the
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