Welcome everybody this is and keep keeping track correctly, five of coverage of The Last of Us Season 2. Dr. Walking Dad. so-called things, zombies. who is just an amazing, amazing young man. Thank you. Welcome, Jay. Hello, thank you. Sorry, I jumped the gun. I was so excited to be here. Always, always, I look forward to this. I really do.
Well, welcome. You said you had a little something extra for listeners, so go ahead. Yeah, just a quick note. I got some listener feedback. Someone sent me out of love. They were, uh, this person would...
This person was concerned with the release schedule of J of the Dead's new horror movies, and I completely understand. So I figured this person also mentioned that he... liked or preferred you know the bigger releases that have a bunch of different you know aspects to it like our traditional episodes so I'll explain a little bit more maybe I'll do a shorter announcement
over there in the next big episode but I just wanted him to know I received your message and thank you very much for your feedback we always appreciate it Okay, there we go, Kyle. We absolutely do. If we didn't have people who listened, we'd just be talking to each other. Yeah, that's right. Which would be easier. But we don't want easy. We want value. Value to you, the listener. Yes.
um yeah i loved those big episodes too because you were so great with the the kind of the bookmarking letting everybody know what was when thank you that was really when we had that idea of the uh the audio magazine. Yes. Where you could read it cover to cover or you could flip ahead to your favorite column. So it was a pretty good metaphor for how we had things put together. Thank you.
It's still intended to be such, but yes, so those will be back, I promise. Yeah, we'll get there, listeners. Just remember that Jay has a job, and he's a dad. Yep. so we're all doing this for free and we're just doing the best we can now i have a little bit of an edge which is why we do get a pretty healthy load of last of us coverage and of dead men still walking because i can do dead men still walking at work and count it as work
because I have a weird, weird, wonderful job. And I'm about to record another one of those directly related to my latest research. So it'll be a little while, folks, before we get to that one. But I'm going to do a little special on zombies and COVID. So just a little teaser. I've been warming up down the road.
Been waiting on that, Kyle. I figured that was coming. Yeah, we've got to address it somehow. Not today. I still, I don't know if you're ever going to do this or if it's been overdone, but I have this very strong belief that we are currently in. a zombie apocalypse of sorts with cell phones. I'm one of those old-timer troglodytes. Yeah, where I feel like, you know, I walk by people all the time and they're just looking down at their phones.
I really try not to do that when I'm out in public. I try not to be like that. Not that I'm judging people who do, but I'm just saying I'm so concerned about it for the future, and maybe I shouldn't be. But if you ever want to do a... some sort of um something about that if it hasn't been overdone just let me know well walk around uh the campus where i work and you'll you'll run into a number of cell phone zombies literally you'll literally run into them yes
Because they're not watching where they're going. But yeah, that's a really good topic of conversation that Shaun of the Dead kind of teased with, but they were doing it with people listening to their headphones. With phones, yes, telephones or devices, it has gotten to be quite chronic.
so we can look at that as well but we're going to talk about a court of sepsis zombies and uh just right out of the gate here episode five feel her love which is a creepier episode title after you've watched it yeah we do get we get some zombies and we get some of the nice cooler zombie variants. We actually get a couple technically, but the kind of smarter zombies show up in this episode. And instead of having to deal with one of them,
we now get to deal with a whole bunch of them, which is, you know, typical escalation. That's what you want to see. They're creepy. So there are some excitements. Kyle, I really think, like, I was super creeped out at the way they were behaving. Anytime I... What appears to be a human being.
is moving or acting in an unnatural way that just really gets under my skin that's why if somebody runs at me like a horse and they're a human and they're like on all fours i'm almost paralyzed with fear that It's the scariest thing ever. Yeah.
and that's why these are J specific zombies because they do have this kind of feral quality to them where they where they run on all fours and they scamper and they they kind of climb around reminding me i think i mentioned this before but they remind me a little bit of the uh the goblins from fellowship of the ring yeah kind of this skittering creeping thing and they're pretty pretty hardcore we also get finally for fans of the game we finally get the spores
The spores are an important part of gameplay because Joel, not being immune, has to kind of toggle between wearing a gas mask and not wearing a gas mask. But we, of course, didn't introduce the spores into the TV show until... just now.
so we're gonna talk about that too now one thing just to uh make up for how i ended last episode we did get the beginning of a flashback in this episode but it was right at the end it was a little bit of the teaser stinger and they presented it in a way that i I don't know it's just it's very clearly a flashback but the way they presented it was like for us I think they wanted us the watcher to go what
But I didn't get it that way at all. I just thought, oh, okay, we're going to flashback for a bit now. Are you talking about the very last moment of this episode? Okay, because I had blocked that out. to some extent and so when you said it I'm like oh yeah that's what infuriated me last night to the point where I was like so done with this show I hate stuff like that Here's the thing, Kyle. I gotta say it. I don't think season two is doing it for me, brother. That second episode was incredible.
But this, I feel like there's a lot of filler, and that's just an unforgivable crime in a seven-episode season. I keep saying it. Everybody take a drink when I say it. But here's the thing, Kyle. I just feel like this story is not being told very well. It's not very well put together.
and I know you haven't played the second game, but I'm wondering if there's perhaps a restriction placed upon this second season because they're trying to follow the second game. Maybe the second game's narrative isn't as strong. Well... let's just go there okay let's go there let's go here out of the gate Yes, I haven't played the second game and I don't know the kind of required timeline necessary to complete the second game.
But I'm assuming the first and the second game are similar in terms of content and length. The problem we have here, which is manifesting, is we did one season of game one and we're doing two seasons of game two.
So while this season is shorter than season one season two and three combined will be longer than season one so as a result i think they're drawing it out i think they're milking it a little bit now i would love to hear from listeners who've played the second game because i can't imagine that there's this much
character development in the game and i'm not saying i don't like character development but it's also kind of like all right we got it move on and i would like to see a little bit more like you say a little bit tighter storytelling my issue to this point is the best storytelling of this season has not included Ellie.
it's kind of like when ellie's on the screen and this is not a complaint about the actress haters out there this is about the the storyline the stuff and i went off on a rant last week sorry everybody i was in a weird spot but the Ellie Dina storyline is just not as strong because it's not focusing on survival it's not focusing on apocalypse it's not focusing on combat particularly well
What is working for me in the second season is the wolf storyline. I'm very interested in the wolves and I'm extremely interested in the Seraphites because we get to see them in their full-blown... horrific r-rated glory in this episode oh yeah and so that stuff is is super awesome and frankly when ellie and dina are dealing with the infected when they're dealing with the zombies things go pretty well for me.
Yeah, but I'm curious what's going to happen because i did watch the preview for next week which i often don't do but next week does seem to be a full-on flashback episode i don't know if it happens that way in the game it's entirely possible gameplay would work that way but it may just be filling in some of the gaps from season one that maybe slipped over when they did it i don't know i don't know but but i'm excited for flashback now on the one hand
flashback doesn't work because there's no dread or suspense because you already know the outcome but i want to see joel again so i'm excited to have a joel centric narrative and we get to see more development of his character I am guessing, and I could be flat out wrong here, I'm guessing we're going to get a flashback to show the deterioration of Joel and Ellie's relationship. We're going to find out why season two started so awkwardly.
and uncomfortably and we're going to have to get some information to illuminate her motivations a little bit better because this episode ends in a dark place. Literally. And also thematically. Wow.
a couple things on this, Kyle. I love what you're saying. You're always the guy who's bringing me back to being reasonable, but a couple things. Number one, yes, when you mentioned that this ends in a dark place, yeah we have our heroine our hero is torturing someone essentially and then the reason the flashback i'm reminded now the reason that flashback with joel all of a sudden was so irritating to me kyle was because it's like, oh, they want to remind us
that these two were close they had a relationship they want to remind us of why she's upset and maybe to like pad our feelings so we don't think that Ellie is too evil a character. Do you think that? I think that is a good guess, and I hope you're wrong. A guess. Okay, well let me give you one other thing about her. Forecast. Prediction. Sorry, the guess was
was too insulting. Oh, it's my assertion, sir. It's your assertion. Yeah, that they were trying to do it. The other thing that's bugging me... Side note, listeners, whenever Jay calls me sir... It's trouble. But carry on. Carry on, sir. The other thing, Dr. Bishop, tell me if this bothers you. I think this is very problematic. our new well assuming that joel and ellie were the lead characters joel's dead so now ellie's our lead character our new lead character
is not the lead. It bugs me immensely that Dina has actually become our new, like, kind of our take charge. She knows what to do, and she's really good at this, and, like, she's kind of a new Joel of sorts. And I'm like, wait a second, Ellie's supposed to be our lead. That's bugging me too. No, no, you're right, because I think I said this last week, but it may have been the week before. The formula is telling us, okay, Ellie will now take the role of Joel. Yes.
Because she's going to be the more masculine figure, which has been heavy-handedly alluded to. And now she has a young woman to protect and care for because of Dina's pregnancy. So yes, that should be the formula. But what we're getting is Dina is the heart and soul of the show. Yeah. And that's drawing things away from Ellie because after this episode, Ellie is really unsympathetic.
And that is dangerous. That's a dangerous path to take. And again, is it just we're going down that dark side narrative that we've had before that we're going to track Ellie's descent into madness perhaps this season ending on an unforgivable turn, and then season three will be the redemption of Ellie. I don't know. But I'm with you. I'm not loving the art.
okay okay i'm so happy to hear that just because i'm like kyle are you did they hire you to defend this as their attorney to defend this show because you do feel you do give this show a lot of grace And maybe it's just because you've learned how to be patient and see how things unfold.
No, I just naturally try to take the opposite position you've taken. It makes for better podcasting. That's true, that's true, that's true. I'm a little bit of a Last of Us apologist because I love season one and I really want this. season to work. Yes. And so, and I've said this now, I think three episodes in a row. I'm hoping next week Next week's going to be it. One more and we're going to kick it in.
so okay well anyway so so now that we've kind of given it away jay and i were both hoping for something substantial to happen this week and i will say i feel we got mostly there I think that this episode does develop the various plot lines. It does have a couple of moments where I'm not And it has a full-on groaner moment to me. Oh, it's one talent. I'm not going to tell you yet. Oh, okay, okay, sorry. I want to build up. Okay, okay, my apologies.
But we kind of pick up with more or less where we left off. And it's this idea that Ellie is blinded by rage and fueled by vengeance. And so is Dina. And so they're going to go into this really hostile territory. Now, I will give it credit because I was thinking this is, oh, give me a break, give me a break, give me a break. Finally, in this episode, Ellie does say, wait a minute.
what am i doing you're pregnant and we're this is super dangerous and we're completely outnumbered this is the dumbest thing we've ever done let's go home yes Yes. You are correct. But then, no. Because, I don't know, we have to keep the young women imperiled and we have to keep the threat. Yeah, but, you know, let's talk about the Seraphites instead. All right. They're badass terrifying. Yes. And this is, this I think this season is doing right.
The first time we saw him, oh, these poor, harmless pacifists. Then the next episode, oh, wait a minute. These guys have a lot of potential for violence. And then episode five, holy crap. They are nut jobs. Yes. So yeah, we have crossed over into some folk horror. I love folk horror because we have a group that is really blinded by religious fanaticism. Yes. and it's a religious fanaticism that justifies horrifyingly violent and inhumane acts which is likely
some commentary there about religions and especially cults. Indeed. So the kind of torture and murder of a wolf is it's about as brutal as anything you're going to see in a kind of more mainstream horror movie. Yeah. Yeah? Pretty brutal, obviously. I enjoyed that part, my dark heart. I thought that was awesome. Your dark heart. I'm just saying. First off, the hand scythe is such a great weapon. Yes. It kind of evokes the east. Anyway. Yeah.
Uh, so, So we are in full volume spoilers, but what I found really shocking and fascinating, because they've got this guy ready to hang, you know, this kind of old west.
tradition and okay i'm i'm ready for that but then he pulls out the hand scythe and i'm like oh he's gonna is he gonna carve a message on the guy's stomach is he going to carve the symbol that we've been seeing and associated with the seraphites but unlike anything i've ever seen before he stabs the dude and then they raise him up which causes the blade to eviscerate him. Uh-huh. Just spills him down the middle, brother. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Horrific. It's awful. I mean...
Now the camera is not in close up here or we'd be in Art the Clown Country. Yes. But it's really interesting because the leader, the weird scary prophet dude, he doesn't move his hand.
It's the other guy on the rope that... causes the fatal wound and i don't know why that fascinates me so much it's just it was an interesting logistical way to portray the the ritualistic murder yeah but we've seen and this is just standard this is screenwriting 101 we saw a bunch of people killed this way last week so this week we need to see how it happened um how they kill people that way and it's it's upsetting and it's disturbing
And that's where we get this title, Feel Her Love, that the prophetess that they worship, you feel her love, I don't know, either by joining her or by being murdered by her followers. It's a little ambiguous, but obviously ironic. Because there's no love here. Yes. so how are you feeling about our seraphites are they helping scratch that itch well yeah i think they're great they're great characters and and I agree with you that they've captured, when you say religious fanaticism,
Yeah, because some of the most horrific things in history have been done under the guise of devout belief for whatever reason. And so, yeah, that's one thing. Cult horror movies. are really freaky to me because it is so scary what people are willing to do or endure for that matter. Like in last week's episode, when the dude was being tortured, he was burned on the back of one hand and then he still wasn't going to give up the information. So he just offered his other hand
And that's how the interrogator knew, okay, this guy doesn't give anything up. I'm just going to shoot him. You're right. And we didn't really talk about that much last week.
that idea of willing sacrifice i will i will suffer anything for my deity for my uh my misguided belief system yes and so yeah we're starting to see these two groups that are so radicalized that they yeah i mean it's it's hadfield and mccoy meets a slasher film i don't know it's it's just it's so brutal but that's my point and that's my ultimate criticism is that's the story that is so interesting to me
And the only insights we gain into that story except for the torture scene is we just see it because Ellie happens to see it. So it's still very peripheral. and we don't have enough information to know how much are these two groups going to factor into our narrative. Are they telling their own stories or are they simply obstacles for Ellie to avoid and overcome on her journey for vengeance? Because right now they're mostly just presented as things that are in the way.
So, I don't know. I don't know. yeah i'd like to see more of that kind of stuff and i'd like to see a little bit more depth and investigation so i wouldn't mind a flashback episode telling their story but we are yeah getting back to joel and ellie's story next week speaking of flashbacks I'm fine with flashback storytelling when it gives you more insight to something that is going forward but when it comes to losing Joel as we have
And then we get flashback episodes with him in it. I feel like that is just undercutting the finality of losing a main character. I feel like that's it's like a cheat or something and i don't love that because it's like hey joel's gone y'all like you know if you wanted to tell us that story how they had a falling out how about you just do that in the episodes up until he dies instead of Bringing him back.
No, I agree with you. I think it's a little bit of fan service. It's a little bit of, hey, hey, hey, don't walk away. Come back. Yeah. Right. I love, I really love. non-chronological storytelling and I like it when there's mysteries that are presented in the narrative and then a flashback tells the story and gives you the insight My issue, and again we'll have to wait until next week, but my issue is I don't have any unanswered questions right now.
i understand why the characters have the motivation they have and i don't know what more this narrative has to gain from a flashback with joel but i'm along for the ride obviously i'm committed to this and let's see what unfolds But it's a little obnoxious where it's placed because we've brought Ellie down into the long dark night of the soul, the belly of the beast. according to Joseph Campbell.
and we're gonna step away now we're gonna be like we're gonna leave her there in this awful state and we're gonna go tell a different story for a while So ultimately in two weeks from now, I may be thinking, wow, that was perfect. That was brilliant. That was a big risk and it paid off.
But I'm just worried because of how the rest of the season has unfolded that I'll go, ah, why? Why did we do that? Why did we take that side journey when we didn't need to? Right. So we'll kind of see where it goes. Yeah, you know, the wolves are there this week, but they're largely absent. Instead, we do have this kind of running around and finding things and being attacked by things because they're exploring the hospital. They're trying to find these survivors. I got a little confused.
Did Ellie know they were going after Nora or did they just run into Nora and realize that she was the key to finding Abby?
I think... Did you pick up on something I missed there? Well, no, my understanding was it appeared to me that she ran into Nora but recognized her and knew it was Nora and knew that Nora would know. Yeah, okay, because that's what I thought, but some of their experiences... exchanges i i started to question myself and think wait a minute did she know nora would be there was that kind of the the point of going into this very dangerous situation okay that's fine yeah i liked the flashback
or the back story about why we've sealed up the basement of the hospital. I like that. It produced nice foreshadowing and kind of gave the indication to the fans of the game that yes, you're finally going to get your spores. Quit complaining. Yes. And then we did finally get a run in with the more advanced zombies, which we've been kind of waiting for. And that was pretty good. Pretty good action. Pretty good fight scene. But now we come to my groaner moment. Oh, yes. I can't wait.
So, life or death, how are they going to get out of this? Back's against the wall, and Jesse shows up. Okay, I have a problem with it. on a couple of levels. Right. first off jesse's arrival is this total implausible cavalry to the rescue moment almost deus ex machina moment yeah yeah because it's like how what why So I can get, yeah, Jesse and Tommy are like, oh my gosh, the girls left. We know exactly where they went because they've been talking about it. Let's go after them.
And then it's like out of all of Seattle, they find the theater where they're holding up. Yes. I mean, was there a GPS on the horse? It seems so implausible that they would find their hideout. Now, yes, the horse being there would indicate, oh, yeah, here they are because we recognize the horse. But how'd they find the horse? if it's inside the record store.
And then, yeah, it's a little convenient. Well, you know, we saw your plans. You left your plans out for us to see. Yeah, because, yeah, they did see the triangulation plans, yes, and they knew. So, yeah, you're saying. No. that's all dumb you're saying it's dumb that they found their hideout and then saw their plans and then knew where to go yes I agree 100% and it's really dumb because it's like this
at the most dramatic moment does he arrive. And you're probably about to say this. I don't want to steal your thunder. Go ahead. No, you say it. And I'm just saying in this age when we're always discussing gender politics and such,
We have two strong female leads. Yep. And they're rescued by the man, which is... which is um it just makes me laugh only because I know how much this is an agenda in cinema and in movies now and it is a little surprising to see it but because there has been such a deal made of it where it's so prevalent that you have all these
girl boss things now yeah which is great i have again just to be clear everybody i have a daughter i was raised by women i love women they're strong and they're awesome not saying that i'm just saying we've gotten a lot of it so it was kind of surprising to see a dude come in and be like, I'll save you, I'm the man. Yes. I agree. Now, I understand that my understanding of true feminism is that females can be strong and powerful and they can also need to be saved.
just like men can be strong and powerful, but also maybe need to be saved. So, okay. But it seems like a weird left turn if the episode is kind of setting up this idea that the chief antagonist is a woman the chief protagonists are women and we do seem to have had a gendered agenda so it did seem a little bit groan inducing that oh here we go now to make it even worse though it's not just that a dude came to the rescue It's the freaking dad.
Jesse has come to rescue his unborn child even though Jesse doesn't know he has an unborn child yet and he's the one piece to complete this trio of parental units It's just seeped in a lot of coincidence because they could have meant it would have been better if Tommy had saved him, even though we still would have had all those other problems. Yeah, it wouldn't have been as on the nose.
so i was thinking okay here we're gonna have a shift they're being saved by the wolves and now we're gonna have to have a different dynamic but yeah jesse's showing up i just groaned out loud i didn't of all the characters in this show to save those two
he would have been my last choice. I laughed. In terms of the narrative. I laughed. I'm to the point where I'm laughing at this show, Kyle, and that's not... that was not intended i think by the creators nor was it what i wanted to do but i'm to that point where i'm feeling snarky and i'm sorry yeah that that no it makes me sad but i understand yeah i understand where you're coming from
And did you think... Okay, we get some backstories in this where, you know, I call them satellite stories. And some of the... I mean, we're getting to the point of melodrama in this episode. I wrote that in my notes. I'm like, whoa. Like when Dina was telling about when she was eight. And I'm like, this is.
I don't know they're laying on thick and then when they are another eye roller see I didn't know which groaner moment you were referring to because even though I loved the guitar thing last week when she picked up the guitar again and tuned it and started the sync It was only for a second, but I'm like, are you kidding me? How many times do I get to scream at you guys? Seven episodes. We don't need another musical number.
Well, at least it was short. But no, when we got to the guitar, I did think, wait a minute. Yeah, I've done this. Right. We know that Ellie plays the guitar and it reminds her of Joel and she has a nice voice. Yeah. So what are we doing here? This is trod country and it's just delaying the preferred course of action, which is zombie centric. Yes.
so i agree with you on that one so for me the seraphite stuff was on point and then finally we got something that we've been waiting for for weeks literally weeks ellie does find and confront nora Then we go back a little bit to the potential girl power because we get to see these two women fight it out. And that was pretty great.
It was a nice choreography, a nice conflict there, the fight. And I liked how Nora was very manipulative and used her words effectively against the less than rational Ellie. Yes. And I thought it was exciting and good payoff, the idea that we, the viewer, now know why the basement is sealed, but they've kept it a secret, which is always stupid. It's like, right.
we're gonna seal it up but don't say a word to anyone yeah so nora kind of inadvertently falls down gracefully falls down the elevator shaft and then ali goes after so we get the basement Set design, beautiful. Very evocative of the video game. I love the idea of almost, you know, alien, aliens-esque. Where these poor living souls have been turned into spore factories. and they're just plastered into the wall and i'm glad because it would have been too much if he had been like
Kill me. Kill me. That would have been way too much. And when they exhale, you see the spores come out. They're exhaling the spores. The spores in the show look exactly like they do in the game. Cool. Very, very cool. And then we get this interesting bait and sweat. because nor is like i will i'm gonna mess everything up i'm gonna tell ellie what joel did and we as the audience are like oh no she's gonna tell her what joel did and then she goes i knew that yeah
And you called that. You even knew at the end of season one when Joel... Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you even knew. So I think most of the audience already knew that Ellie knew. So that wasn't a big... No. The big shock then becomes Ellie's brutality because she proceeds to beat Nora to death.
and she's not gonna beat her to death she's just gonna torture her because she wants to find out where where abby is yeah she wants to find out where abby is which so so all this stuff has kind of come together and now of course Subtle. Ellie has become Abby. And Abby is willing to do to Nora what Abby was willing to do to Joel. And P.S. though. Okay.
She's in Seattle. She's never been there. She's in this like factory, whatever this place is. It's a huge place. It appears to be. It's a hospital. It's a hospital. Okay. Hospice. Forgive me. Forgive me. It's in a hospital. It's like, Even if she said, oh, she's in this room and it's like, oh yeah do you know where that is now i mean is that gonna help you get through all the people running around and i mean it's just ridiculous it's like why don't you just go find abby idiot
that's what I'm saying like I don't know well it's tough because yeah I mean Nora knows she's dead and so she's got no motivation except to end her torment which is what Ellie is banking on But we also got that answer to a question you had weeks ago. The kids did know there was a girl who was immune. They just didn't know who it was. Yes. So it's like, oh, you're her. You're the chosen one. You were the one who was going to save the world. And then Joel killed Abby's dad.
Yeah, there we are. That's kinda where we ended up with this. And so, yeah, I would say that this episode is an improvement over the last couple of episodes. Yeah, I'm going to call it frustrating. Yeah. Call this one a little frustrating. Yeah, you can say that again. And I'm concerned, and I haven't looked at the numbers or anything or crunched anything, but is the viewership dwindling as the season progresses?
peeling off i don't think people are tuning in sunday night like i can't wait another day I don't think that's maybe happening and so I feel bad about that trajectory and I don't know where we're ultimately going to land on this thing. I think they're already going to go through with season three. And to be clear, I mean, I do root for this show. And I love the first season. And I guess I'm just disappointed is what it is, Kyle, so far. But, you know, you'll have that, you know.
I wonder if other people are feeling the way I... What is your sense? It seems like you're getting... I mean, Greg Amortis, he chimes in with me a little bit and texts and tells me, and it seems like, he has had some frustration as well along the way so I wonder if a lot of the fans are feeling the same way I think a hardcore horror person would be getting impatient by this point. And people who are promised a zombie show are going to get impatient because there's just not enough zombie action.
but I'm still on the fence and I'm still naively optimistic and hopeful and I did like some of the introductions here i like the brutality i like the seraphites i love the uh they were deploying these more advanced zombies and i like the spores so contrary to everything i've said i'm giving it an eight Yeah, I'm saying, you know what? We may be headed in the right direction. And as zombie action goes, because you almost need a different...
Scale when talking about zombie narratives because sometimes they're so bad Yeah, but I'm gonna go with an eight on this because I think it's it's in the right direction Let's see where it goes. Okay. Where does it fall for you? I'm going down to a sec on this yeah yeah it's even worried you're worried you were gonna give us another like three or no no no i mean it has some really good moments but yeah i mean there are too many eye roll moments in this one for me and so yeah i'm gonna go six and
Just have faith, I guess, Kyle. Just going to... Just came in there, man. Keep my fingers crossed. we got another one coming we're gonna get some joel we're gonna get this nice flashback and maybe learn a little bit about Ellie's motivations and about some of their development. And then the week after that is the last episode of the season. Yes.
So my prediction is next week will be this big flashback thing. And the very end of next week will bring us back to Ellie torturing Nora. And then we're going to get an episode where Ellie really goes crazy. And that episode will probably end with her having to make an ethical decision and maybe Tommy or...
Dina are begging her not to do it, and then she'll do it. And that'll be the end of the season. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I'll tell you what I think they're going to do, just judging by the way I have felt thus far. Since they split up the game, as you said, into the two seasons, two and three, I predict they're going to leave us on a big, irritating cliffhanger at the end of the seventh episode. And that's also going to tick me off. You know they're going to do that, man.
I know, but then how long is it going to be until season three? Do you know? Do you have any idea? It won't be as long because they've got to be making them kind of at the same time. But who knows? I mean, there's no writer's strike. so maybe we're okay okay hope so i don't know all right all right but no you know you bring up a great point when you talked about the scale of raiding zombie stuff
And for a zombie-type production, this is very high quality. It is. It's very high quality. Yeah, so I mean, I can't gripe too much. It's just... Don't go on to internet movie data. for next week's until you've because there is a very cool guest next week. but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to see him show up. Good. That's all I'm gonna say for you.
Thanks for tuning in. Please stick with us. We're going to see this thing through to the end, so you should too. You don't give up on the still got a lot of story to tell and I think we may get to some really exciting But that's me, apparently, being a Last of Us apologist. That's my job. Well I'm proud of you for that. You're a nice guy.