New Horror Movies Ep. 123: Happy Halloween and Athedral (2024)

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Hi and Happy Halloween today and welcome to Jay of the Dead's New Horror Movies, the gold standard of horror movie podcasts. This is Jay of the Dead here and I'm so excited that it is finally October 31st. Why? Because tomorrow, on November 1st, I can stop editing damn podcast episodes.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be doing this and I'm so grateful for all the listeners. But also, in this introduction here, I am very pleased to be joined by two of my friends.

We have the man who broadcasts from just outside Philadelphia, PA. You know what's funny about that is, I was thinking of all the recent things I've said about him on this show, like things that he's done and projects he's been affiliated with and so forth. And I almost went into one of those. But anyways, he's one of those pictures.

Real are fiction. Yeah, one of those fiction. I almost did that. Anyways, I want to welcome the man behind DVD infatuation, the blog and podcast. He is the amazing but subtle Dave, Dr. Shock Becker. Welcome. Thank you, Jay. Very much. And yeah, I would I would be curious because now, you know what I always say, I don't listen to too many of the shows. And I'm thinking is Jay putting these sort of lives about me in there to try and see which episodes I listen to and which ones I don't

really want to do. That is brilliant. Jason, if you're doing if he's doing that, is this a task? Do I got to go back and listen to episodes and hear all of these like these terrible things I'm supposedly doing and say, hey, Jay, I never did that. He's like, oh, he just listened to episode 82. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, it's so fun. I love it. I love yeah, a doc shock is like my favorite go to on these, you know, these fabricated things that pop into my head because I think of all the horror of injures. It's the funniest to imagine him doing some of these things that I come up with. That's why because he's

out there stealing pumpkins out of neighbors, you know, pumpkin patches. That's right. Yes. Or started into bushes on a truck or treat night. We're starring in some in some triple X movie as a woman or was the last one or something like that.

Pennsylvania Peggy. Yes. That's right. That's right. Yes. They are all right. Identity is the state of Pennsylvania. That's right. All right. Well, we also want to welcome this man is a professor of sorts. And what I mean by that is he is a professor of filmmaking. He is the Stevens Spielberg of our workplace. And he is a brand new up and come here in the horror filmmaking industry. I want to welcome filmmaker Mac, Macula Robbins.

Hi, Jason. How's it going? It's good. How are you? I'm sitting here looking at the map and you're only two and a half hour drive away from sleepy hollow Dave. You ever drive to sleepy hollow New York. No, I have one. I would be really cool to see. I would really like to see that would be that would be pretty awesome. And you end up, you know, maybe someday, you know, the Steven Spielberg of your workplace, maybe someday Mac will make his own fablements.

Yeah, about his journey to be maybe you can probably leave out weed whack in the yard, but I'd still like to see what, you know, what you throw in there. Like that Max journey to being a world class filmmaker. Yeah, that would be interesting. Yes, it would. I'm really excited because it is Halloween for all the listeners who are hearing this and hopefully they're hearing this on Halloween. The attempt was, and I hope this came off all right.

The attempt was to release an episode yesterday on October 30th, which is an important podcasting anniversary. Doc shocked that as the day we launched the weekly horror movie podcast back in the day. Okay. Yes. We just had HMP's anniversary, 11th anniversary. Yes. That's right. The weekly hug now. That's that's older. How old is that?

Yeah, that one came out 2011. So 13. This will be 13 years. Yes. Yes. Wow. Good. You're good at math. That's right. And so that was yesterday's episode. And in today, we have this Halloween special. So anyways, we're going to get underway. We got tons of great content for you, but we got two important matters. Number one is we had a listener on X formerly known as Twitter. It was Captain Jack. And I hope I so hope that his name comes from the Billy Joel song.

I don't know what other cap well. No, you know what? There is there is another captain Jack. Yes, plus, plus Captain Jack is known for getting you high tonight. Right? Yes. Yes.

So anyway, yes. There are many other things. That's right. Other things, which we won't go into, but I'll have to go into them on this podcast. But next time you're not here, I will incorporate you in the Captain Jack. Oh, into the Captain Jack. Oh, great. So all my sisters out on a date. Oh, okay. I see where you're going with that.

Oh, the Billy Joel fans are loving this all this minutia. Okay. So anyways, Captain Jack, he asked the question. And if I understood it correctly, he wanted to know what the horror Avengers Halloween watch list is annually. So yeah, my understanding is, do we have specific go to's that we watch every single Halloween. And I've enjoyed hearing Dr. Shock talk about this over the years. And so we're going to start with him.

All right. Well, I'm sure you know what it is because it hasn't changed much. It was originally on the 30th, I would watch one and then on Halloween night, I would watch the other, but recently it's been watching both of them on Halloween night. And it is Rob zombies house of a thousand corpses followed by the devil's rejects.

And I'm actually toying with including three from hell to see how they play back to back to back because obviously three from hell was made considerably later than what you, I mean, house of a thousand corpses, I think he shot it in. Or at least in was a 2003, but I think he shot it years earlier and then 2005's when the devil's rejects came out. And then of course, you know, three from hell was, you know, towards the end of said, said, hey, life.

And he passed away. I think before that movie, before came out or right around the time it came out, I can't remember. So that's my that's been my tradition. Now what I had actually made it such a cool tradition was when I had the devil's rejects on DVD, I had watched it on Halloween night. And then there's a two hour making of that was on the DVD. And I watched that with it. And I thought, this is like one of the best making of I've ever seen. And I was really into it.

So I upgraded to Blu-ray that special feature going. Oh, not even why would they do that? Is it because it's not Blu-ray quality quote-unquote is that I don't know I don't know if it's that I don't know if it's because they didn't have the rights to I don't know what it is. But it the same come I looked to me like and have the same cover and everything is just one was a DVD was a Blu-ray. It was a two disc set. Maybe that was it because it was feature length. I mean, it was it was it was actually longer.

I believe than the devil's rejects movie the making of yeah, I just really liked it. I remember watching that on Halloween night and being really in now this last year. Last Halloween. I watched those two movies. I did not follow up with three from hell though. I said, you know what I'm in the mood. I can watch another movie. Let's just pop this in. And I ended up watching my number one film of 2023 talk to me. Oh, I saw that on Halloween night last year. Nice. Okay.

But that is my tradition. Excellent. I love that. But initially, how did you start with those? I first, whatever reason I don't think I've under forever understood it would have been it would have been when when the kids were younger. I was the one who took them around, you know, to all the houses. My youngest son wanted to hit every house. My older son would get tired because there's a lot of hills and he wanted to go back to the house. Right.

But we would usually like hit as many houses we could and by the time we, you know, we'd start early. I mean, it gets dark like around five o'clock here on around back then. Now the clock's turned back a little bit later. But be after Halloween, the clock's turned back, but they used to turn back earlier. And so we'd be back in some good time and the night before I like I said it was usually the 30th. I would watch House of 1000 courses. So I only had to watch the devil's rejects.

And I just remember the I think what what really made his sort of stick as a tradition was the second year I was doing it. My parents came up because we used to take the kids around to all of the family when they were younger. And they weren't going to have a lot of candy. But this time it's like, no, let's, you know, the case won't go out. They want to trick a treat in our neighborhood because we lived in a really, you know, a lot of houses with a lot of kids.

So they were, you know, come back with a full, you know, bag of candy. So we said any one of you who wants to see them in their costumes can come here and my parents showed up. And I remember my father walking in at the scene where the girl is wearing her boyfriend's face that had been caught. This had been skinned from his face and ran out and get hit. I got hit by a truck. And then you see the follow up to that.

And my father's like, you just Christ. What the hell are you watching? Yeah, he was like, God, this is not impressed. Yes. No, no, it's almost like when my mother stopped by to pick me up my when Jackie was working to take me to a doctor's appointment years earlier. And I was watching Friday at 13th part two and it got to the end scene of that one. So how could he still be alive? Did you put that was shabby in his neck? How could he still be alive? You know, Dave, did you say to your dad?

Well, just imagine what I'd be watching if my mom didn't take away my attack of the 54 woman comic book. It would have been what he was. I should have I guarantee he had no idea of that. I don't think they know. Hey, you're absolutely right. I should have said something like that. If I had if I started my attack of the 54, I might have been watching that one. And I think you're probably handled that one because you were you weren't your teenager when I came out of the zone.

But so, but anyway, that is where it's sort of cemented. It's like, hey, this might be the perfect Halloween movie. Nice. Okay, that's cool. I love that you have your own sort of special tradition with those. Yeah. And I've always appreciated hearing you talk about that over the years. Okay. For those who don't know, macula, like this is Captain Jack.

This is actually his specialty. And you would know more about that if I would release the damn episode of over on considering the cinema because he did. No, listen, here's the good news though. Gizmo, my daughter, she edited that entire episode. So it's ready. I just got to make I got a double check.

I got a listen to her edit. And then we're going to put that out because brother, it's ready. It's ready to go. But Mac did an entire episode throughout the year of everything he watches on certain dates. But Mac, what's your, what's your Halloween watch list? Yeah. And so speaking of that list, it's like a word doc. And someone the other day, my boss actually passed my desk.

And I just had this huge word doc open that had all my notes for work. And she was like, what the heck? You do that. But I don't know why she was teasing me Jason because I love word docs. I know you do too. And it's like, you just control shift, find, you know, and you find stuff and you scroll down. And I don't know. It's awesome. But I have one. And like you said, it covers a whole year.

But honestly, the biggest section is my Halloween section. And it's really broken up into a bunch of like subsections. So I'm going to try to go as fast I can. But basically, on October 1st, you got to watch Willy Wonka, right? Because you can you can even time it if you started at 916 so that the doors open when the doors open in the movie. But see what I mean people. I mean this guy is the guy for this.

But I love it because Willy Wonka deals with candy, right? And getting into the Halloween spirit is getting into the candy spirit partly. And it is kind of crazy as for kids movie, it gets pretty creepy. But so that was the best way to kick off kind of the Halloween season. I have a full moon in October. So like that's like I haven't done this yet Jason, but I've been wanting to do like a like put up a little projector and screen outside.

So that you watch a full moon, wherewolf movie in the full moon. But I have for the past several years been doing wherewolf movies on full moon night. And I don't know if I have like a favorite wherewolf movie quite yet, but I just love that concept of like wherewolves out of a lot of the monsters that we do have, right?

He doesn't want to be vicious. He he wants to be a good guy. You know, he doesn't want to hurt anyone. But when you turn into a werewolf, you could attack your best friend, you know, if they're right there with you.

Then I have another section is my Halloween section, which is like anything that is like it has to be trick or treating or or at least fall in the movie for this to count in like the actual Halloween stuff. And so I've got a pretty big list. I mean, I'm looking at my listen trying to decide which ones I can kind of mention briefly.

I was loving the new Beetlejuice movie and that's got Halloween right in there. That's the Beetlejuice Beetlejuice from this year. But like even like ET the original ET movie right is like it's got trick or treating in it and stuff. But of course my all time favorite of this is that adventures of Ikebod crane and Mr. Toad. That's like so magical for me for some reason. Yes. And then I've been working through the next art sublist is the universal monster movies and more monster movies.

So I've been putting that together and slowly working my way you know through all of that and have been loving that there's something so Halloweeny to me about an old black and white monster movie that it's just hard to explain it just feels so right agreed. And then I have another section called horrifying films and more so this could be really scary stuff like eyes without a face, but it could also be something like death becomes her which is sort of just fun or clue which is you know awesome.

But I've been putting some get together some ones in here that probably people haven't heard of is like one that I really like and it feels like you're seeing a ghost for real is called I am the pretty thing that lives in the house. I think I've talked about that before but it really feels like like you're seeing a ghost then I have like Halloween TV which I've got stuff like the monsters on there I've been watching that and I just love that but I've got a ton of stuff on there actually too.

And then short films like a lot of people hopefully are familiar with the classic Disney like trick or treat with Donald Duck and like I love that one so much it makes me so stink and happy. But then I have like a Halloween party every year and I've been keeping a record of like what we've been watching every year and last year we watched wait until dark with Audrey Hepburn and I was like that movie so good.

Yes it is. But then I even have like Halloween listening which I've become so in love with like England and New England like gothic type stories and there's one called the Meso Tint which you can look up and it's like I have a note next to it says one of the scariest things ever like I don't know what it is about it but it scares me so bad and I even put in my notes might be too scary.

Because I was like but there's like a lot of cool stuff to listen to like there's a version of Dracula that you can listen to that was read by Christopher Lee and so that's kind of awesome and that that woman in black radio program and the war of the world's program as well.

And then I have like Halloween reading which like of course I have like Dracula Frankenstein and the legend of sleepy hollow and then I have my playlist Jason my very long Spotify playlist in fact the kids had some friends over the other day and I was playing some Halloween music and they're like wow this is so cool you have such great songs on this playlist and I was like guess how long it is and they're like you know whatever and I was like over a thousand songs like I didn't super mean to do that Jason.

But I just kept adding stuff and I do discriminate like I do take stuff off if I'm like I'm kind of over this but yeah I've got over a thousand songs on that and it's like over 60 hours long but that's impressive that's impressive.

I really is I can't even imagine I would have never guessed there were that many Macobb type Halloween. They are and they really are like like there's only a few of them that just sort of sound creepy but most of them are about like graveyards or ghosts or something about that you know catch

a real quick so I didn't interrupt you Mac but I you mentioned the Donald Duck trick or treat yes my father had that on super eight film back in the mid 70s I remember setting up the screen and I was silent because he didn't have a microphone on this it was silent and they didn't have like

intertitles like for a silent movie work comes in and tells you what they're saying it was just the cartoon but I remember watching that like from the age at age five I think because my father had that and he had like some scenes from WC fields the bank dick that he would show to us as well but he bought that cartoon specifically for us and I remember sitting there watching no sound I remember sitting there watching it like a follow what was going on I mean it was very visual right

that far so I was able to to what the follow what was going on and one I'd recommend to you now this is a cartoon and they just get here to a little bit towards kids but it's something that I think and it has some pretty creepy moments in it it's called the Halloween tree and it's animated

yeah I've heard of that very very very very wrote the initial story after him and his kids watched it's the great pumpkin Charlie Brown and his kids were very disappointed that they didn't see the great pumpkin at the end of it and he wrote the Halloween tree for them and they ended up turning it into an animated film could somebody do that with the Blair Witch project as well

to say it's awesome yeah I feel bad but I used to love that Charlie Brown special but it's kind of slowly worn off on me that I'm like there's kind of not much to it you know it's like it was the follow up it was the year after they had done the Christmas one

the Christmas one was so cobbled together the Charles Schultz hated it I mean it's become a staple and people love it now but Charles Schultz hated it if you watch it it is it does have quite a few mistakes people characters shirts change colors and in mid-scene sometimes the voices don't add up like a voice of one

characters coming out of another character some of the line readings are a little bit like the little girl who did Sally couldn't read her mother had to feed her each line for her to record it it was really rushed you need a lot of time to put it together and they gave Charles Schultz as it was all in response to Rudolph Red knows reindeer which was a huge hit the year before yes so they figured let's get this out there they put it together so

so that Charles Schultz is like that was terrible I don't think it'll ever see the light of day again but what he said and of course now it's one of the most beloved Christmas special and here's the thing both the Christmas a peanut special and the Halloween one those are both like Miyazaki films compared to the thanks giving

version of the peanut special thing that is horrendous well that was a later one that was in the 70s those first two were in the 60s like 66 and 67 or 65 and 66 something like that I want to say but that one I remember when the Thanksgiving one played first run like when they were broadcasting I remember watching it when it first aired and yeah I mean as a kid I liked it but I think it was four

yeah so I just turned four you know but and we never understood what pepper and panties problem was I would have loved a Thanksgiving dinner of popcorn and candy and all that other stuff right that is true Jason so Thanksgiving when is rough yeah well the it's hard for day Charlie Brown was a little rough to yeah no kidding right okay Max so back to Halloween though

anything else Maclin likes on Halloween proper did you get to Halloween proper yet yeah I you know I don't have a great I sit down and watch this particular film it's usually like one of those that just feels very I definitely like one that's in that first or one of those first categories right that's like if it deals with actual Halloween or fall I like that better than just like I don't want

to throw in the shining on Halloween night because it's like it's great and it's winter horror but it's not like Halloween horror but I will say a lot of times I do you just get end up getting into the actual like trick or treating of it and I love answering the door and patty out the candy but I also love like marching my kids around and knocking on the doors so I really feel like I get out there most of

the time I don't have like a Halloween proper like I watch this movie every Halloween it's usually just as long as again like as long as it's like it takes place on Halloween then I get really excited about it so got you well yeah your boys are pretty young still and see for me the past I don't know well I guess 16 years you know I had young kids as well

and that affected my tradition as well but for me it comes down to this because we go trick or treating and come back and when we get back to the house my kids do this thing where they lay out all our candy and count it and then trade and all this all this weird stuff that the tradition with them and while that's happening I always put monster house on in the background

because monster houses my go to 10 out of 10 and of course leading up to that you already mentioned it's a great pumpkin Charlie Brown yeah at some point in the month near Halloween I always watch that my kids did watch the live action Casper and Jason I don't know what it is about that movie but it just feels like a motion picture to me

it's so well done like it has no right to be good it's just about like the and like cartoon was never that really special to me either I mean it just like one long joke of like every time Casper turns a corner people do that like a good good good ghost and they run away as fast as possible

but that movie is so special to me the actual live action movie is so good my kids loved that they watched that the other night so I saw that in the theater yeah I saw that in the theater when it was released that was during that time period where I was not allowed to choose a movie

because I took jack you see army of darkness one of our first days I love and she wanted to see Casper so we went in some yes yes now guys if I'm left to my own devices meaning if I'm if it's just me and my kids aren't around like last Halloween believe it or not Greg

Mortis I put on John Carpenter's 1978 Halloween I did I did but if I don't watch that when my preference is trick or treat of course Mike Dirty's trick or treat however when my kids started getting a little bit older this has become the tradition I'm always in the mood because Mac mentioned this I'm always in the mood to put on some old black and white horror and my two favorites from back in the day are definitely Frankenstein 1931 so I would alternate years on that I would put that on

or I put on the creature from the black lagoon 1954 or if we're in a little bit of a sillier mood and it's a little bit crazy I put on Abbott and Costello meat Frankenstein so that's good yeah so that's essentially my watch list

that's a good movie yeah that's the good Halloween one you don't reminds me there were two years in a row I did this I haven't done it since when I was giving out candy there were a few times when when my wife Jackie wanted to take the kids around and I stayed home to give out the candy

and I remember popping and I have the Belly Legosi collection and it's it's got like double sided discs and a one disc on one side it was murders in the room or the black cat and the raven and I remember just letting them play as I would get up and give out candy and it was sort of playing in the background I did that two years boy I should maybe do that again but yeah absolutely I'd rather hurry about the candy now for Captain Jack we also so we tried to throw this together

kind of quickly in last minute and I asked the other horror vendors I'm like you can either email me your list or record a list and so most people were able to chime in Mr. Watson wrote I might have done a horror hierarchy on this and he's like wait that was Greg's horror hierarchy he did a whole Halloween watch list excellent segment and yeah I looked that up for you in case you want to go here at it it's episode 29 Greg Immortist covers his Halloween watch list movies

that are not in the Halloween franchise because of course those are in there as well so he gave a list of ten and I was going to read it here but I mean do you think I should read it here is it jerky to be like go listen to it in episode 29 maybe this maybe this maybe I'll read the list real quick but if you want to hear Greg Immortist expound on these go listen to episode 29 so here's his list number one trigger treat to night of the living dead three house of a thousand corpses

four Satan's little helper five the houses October built six night of the demons seven health fest eight the worst which nine dark night of the Sierra Crow and ten the legend of sleepy hollow and then he gave he gave some bonuses what were you going to say about the worst which that has what a the most hilarious Tim Curry like sings this song that's like a Halloween song and it's like bonkers hilarious to me but anyway go ahead nice and then he gave some five

backburner watches for October so these are kind of the backburner but the midnight hour the pumpkin carver pumpkin head haunt and earnest scared stupid and so yeah Greg does all haunt is a good one that's a good one to watch how we like it is like that

and it is someone was so well to step one and he so I'm the houses October built all he has another good one yes yes so in that list is also in episode 29 show notes at new horror movies dot com if you want to go look at it again or here Greg talk about it

in depth so thanks Mr Watson for referencing that and thanks to Greg for preparing that Dave Z sent a message and he wrote I don't do it like I used to because there are so many movies I have to watch to make a top 24 so he's talking about his top 24 horror movies of 2024 for exploding heads he continues so the only ones I surely watch on Halloween Eve and day are just Halloween one through three and trick or treat I used to be a champ and after exploding heads finishes and 50 more

episodes I'll be back to my old tricks and October 2026 sorry I don't have anything better I used to have a whole month and I would watch 62 movies and all my faves and Halloween movies but since I don't post online anymore and I'm so busy with the end of your shows it's on hiatus for now so that's a Dave Z answer awesome very cool and then Ron Martin recorded something special for you Captain Jack and I will insert it right here

hello everyone my name is Ron Martin and I am one of the horror Avengers over on J of the Dead's new horror movies and J has informed me that I need to record this little short segment about things I watch every Halloween season or I am fired I'm actually going to take it one step further and talk about some things I do every Halloween even outside of just watching movies because I'm going to share a secret with you guys here's the secret to a successful Halloween season

that is you have to be able to successfully combine nostalgia with what's happening in the modern day you can do those two things get a little Halloween nostalgia mixed in with all the events that's happening

in the modern day you're going to have a great Halloween as far as what I watch every Halloween there's not a lot of surprises here I like to watch focus focus I watch the great pumpkin Charlie Brown I usually get a viewing of carfields Halloween adventure and trick or treats and Halloween 1978

here's where I may differ a little bit from everyone else I usually like to get a viewing of Halloween to end for some reason for me that has a little more Halloween ambience in it than the original Halloween also I have a lot of nostalgia for that movie because it was the first Halloween movie that I saw and I saw the TV cut of it it is objectively not a very good movie but I have a lot of nostalgia for it so I enjoy watching it there are several Halloween specials I always try to catch

I do try to get a viewing of which is night out from the 1970s it's a very bizarre Halloween special but it's a fun watch I do manage to get in some old school Disney shorts like trick or treat Donald and the gorilla as well as Lonesome Ghosts those are my three go-tos for the season and the great thing about modern technology that probably my fellow horror Avengers will not admit to is that we have a lot of media a lot of old media at our finger tips

so every year I also end up watching a couple of old Halloween PSAs just because they're fun I just take your late one from 1977 and it's sequel 1985 because for some reason in the 70s and 80s everyone was really worried that all of us trick or treaters were going to get run over by cars

we can add the movie blood fest to my annual Halloween watching blood fest not hell fest as well as a viewing of Ernest scared stupid this because I think that movie is funny as you can see are here all of these movies kind of have a certain ambience about them because that's what you're wanting to go for in your Halloween movie choosing unless there's a certain nostalgia someone has because they watched certain horror movies when they were a kid with their parents or their friends

if someone's telling you oh I'm really horned up for Halloween I'm gonna watch Friday the 13th or I'm gonna watch Alien or I'm gonna watch sleep away camp that's rookie maneuver that's a rookie maneuver you can't just throw any horror movie on and say hey I'm crazy Halloween guy because I watch all these scary movies like the shining this isn't working on the shining is a January movie again now if that was a tradition when you were growing up or something that's a little different

if I can on October 30th I tried to watch the crow since that's nice that movie allegedly takes place and then on Halloween night usually I'm handing out the trick or treat candy to the kids of the neighborhood

if I don't go out and I want to continue the evening I may come in and watch a double feature which almost always has the original 1968 night living dead as the first feature the second part of that feature normally is one of the universal monster movies when the original universal monster movies

normally the wolf man Frankenstein or Dracula or if I haven't seen a movie like kick or treat yet in the season I might go that on as the second movie as well let's not exclude November 1st I know the Halloween is technically over at that point but come on you haven't put away your Halloween decorations on November 1st and neither have I so here's what we're gonna do on November 1st that's the day I normally try to watch a nightmare before Christmas

because that's that that that movie takes place on and also that means I don't have to squeeze it into the Halloween season I have a special day for it as a transition from the Halloween season into the holiday season those are pretty much my go to watches now if I get some other movies or specials in I do try to do that the great thing about YouTube is you can go there and someone has already made a playlist of a whole bunch of Halloween

if they're specials or sitcom episodes or old movies that maybe you never heard of I do just let those play all month long I like to do that as well as watching probably the most nostalgic thing you can watch in any season

and that is a collection of old school commercials for the season from when I was a kid anyway they don't really make Halloween based commercials anymore or they're way few and far between back in the 80s and early 90s they used to be a staple of the season so I would suggest doing that as well outside of just movies and TV specials though I also like to listen to old school horror radio shows you can find these in our archive.org they're all over the internet they're probably on YouTube as well

and now just this year I discovered on YouTube they taking those scary sounds of Halloween cassette tapes they used to get for 99 cents at the drugstore in 1985 and they're on YouTube so I listened to a few of those just for old times sake and that is my listening and viewing habits

during the holiday season I hope that maybe they give you an idea or two of what you can watch during your holiday season everyone have a happy and safe Halloween alright thank you Ron for sending that in and I'm oh and what do we have here

we have a little treat instead of his usual tricks that he turns but Mr. Watson has sent us a pleasant little surprise here it is happy all hello Z everyone Mr. Watson here and if I understand the assignment correctly Captain Jack has asked us horror vangers about our Halloween watch lists

now since I wasn't able to join the boys live when they discussed this earlier I'm here with my own solo recording to get us in the mood and when it comes to what I watch this time every year it's all about mood it's all about atmosphere I've got to feel the spirit of salwin flowing through me

October 31st isn't just another day for us to vote horror fans it's the day and you have to do it the right way speaking to that I'm not just going to give you all my watch lists were not stopping there I'm going to give you fine folks my entire Halloween rundown

so here's how your old pal Watson celebrates this fine day I am ever the long suffering insomniac so regardless of whether Halloween falls on a work day or no when the clock strikes midnight I watch a Halloween themed horror movie that I've never seen before I'm not going for the best of the best just yet that happens later here in those freshest moments of October 31st it's all about ushering in the new day with something new last year it was the family friendly spirit Halloween 2022

the year before that it was the Rankin and Bass Boris Karloff animated film Mad Monster Party 1967 and the year before that it was the ultra violent for the sake of vicious 2020 this year the plan is to go back to the year 1991 to watch the cult horror comedy slasher haunted ween

folks once my midnight movies over it's time to force myself to bed now with the sun rises and I'm gearing up for Halloween day proper maybe I'm off to work or perhaps if I'm lucky it's the weekend where I have nothing but a leisurely morning ahead of me

I always turn to the no sleep podcasts annual Halloween episode to start my day off right if I'm trapped at work all day I'm certain to have nothing but Halloween themed scary story podcast in my headphones once home from work or if I've been home all along my afternoon celebration begins

this is when I crank the stereo and play creepy Halloween centric or horror themed oldies you would be surprised how many there are out there a great resource that gets the mood just right is a YouTube channel called Nemo's Dreamscapes there are several Halloween playlists on this channel that go for hours on end and once you hit play you are sure to get the spooky all Halo's vibes of flowing while the Halloween music plays as the skies fade to dark

I will typically find myself pouring a strong drink surprise and doing some last minute day of decorating admittedly it's been several years since I last went all out on the seasonal decor in fact to these past few Halloween it seems I've carved my jack-a-lantern on October 31st proper

I don't get many trick-or-treaters in my neighborhood so it's really just something I do for myself and for my son of a feels like joining in you see friends I don't have little kids to contend with as I go about this spirited day of days so sadly the days of taking the boy trick-or-treating are long behind me we're about to get to the watch list itself but there is one thing I do most years there are some popular trick-or-treating neighborhoods not far from me

friend of the show Monkey Bones neighborhood is my favorite of these I've taken my son there since he was in preschool well everyone nothing brings me more joy than to put on a scary mask of my own I've got a few good ones in the closet and I like to head to the busiest neighborhood

and just walk the streets with the trick-or-treaters a most pleasant stroll alongside the little ghosts which is goblins, devils and monsters taking in the orange and purple lighting the flickering strobes, the vibrant yard decorations

it feels like home to me it feels like everyone is seeing the world through my eyes this one night of the year and then it's back home to start the movies that will take me from all hellos-e even right into all saints day if I time things right I can get in three Halloween themed horror movies

this is where I take no chances with the films I'm putting on no more playing around this is where we step properly into the realm of the ritual where only my approved list of Halloween day watches are allowed to be screened film one of the night is the warm-up something to prime the pumps, something to get the blood flowing in years past I've started things off with Halloween 2018, Tales of Halloween 2015 and even Sleepy Hollow 1999 last year it was Terrifier 2 from 2022

this year film number one is going to be Hellfest 2018 the Halloween themed haunted house attraction atmospheres off the charts in this movie the perfect movie to prepare us for our home run hitter of the night the bell of the ball the only movie that never changes year after year

folks film two of the evening is and always will be Trick or Treat 2007 well wide released in 2009 but let's not split hairs here this is the Halloween themed horror movie to beat for me and I don't know that anyone ever will

the movies and movies and movies will be in the movie and it's the cinematic incarnation of all things all Hallows Eve and it is my yearly Halloween headliner and then film number three this is where I'm winding down it's time to relax and run out the clock with some drinks and a little candy

I don't like to mix alcohol and sweets but I'll make an exception on all Hallows Eve my friends a few Hallowines ago I closed out with the first Terrifier film released widely in 2018 last year I turned to the goat to do the job the OG John Carbenter's Halloween 1978

I might possibly do so again this year but I'm actually torn between three movies the aforementioned Halloween 78 Halloween 3 season of the witch 1982 and Haunt 2019 I'm leaning toward Haunt since Hellfest is my first watch of the night and both deal with haunted attractions

worthy and fitting bookends with Trick or Treat Sandwich in the middle and that is how we do it my friends Captain Jack I hope this will suffice everyone I've been Mr Watson and I wish you all the happiest of Hallowines that's the answers that we got from the horror Avengers

Joel his is probably Skinner Moranke or he might tell you more for a small fee right right Dave I'm just kidding so anyway we this kicks off our show we're just getting started so I mean we hope you got your I was gonna say Candy Corn but man the older I get the more sickening that becomes

do you guys think Candy Corn is gross I've always always even from a kid age have hated Candy Corn I don't know what it is about it but it is I don't hate it but it's usually you know you can tell the candies are not your favorite because what you get to down to

the drags in the Halloween bag you know after you eat the Kit Katz and the the Watchama call it's in the Twix and and all the other ones you're left with with the Mike and Iks the good and Plannies you know the Neco Wafers yeah yeah those things that

every now and again you'd get like a lolly pop but not even not not even a cool like Tootsie Roll pop just like one of those regular round crappy lolly pops it's all chalky or something like that and it's chalky right or yeah and I remember my mother always made us go or we had our dentist

lived in our neighborhood always made us go there to get a new toothbrush it's like you you realize this is a waste of our time to peer yes yes like no go you need a new toothbrush and that's all he would give out obviously being a dentist it's it's you know I would have thought he'd give out

Candy man that's that's going to guarantee you go to that's right that's right yeah it's called job security you would have been given us like it's the the guiust caramel thing that roll those starbursts roll those would have been a good one absolutely yeah sugar daddy

whoo yeah and another one that was usually left in in the in the bag cream was Charleston chew yeah here's my little PSA I understand that the whole razor blades and candy bars of pretty much an urban legend for the most part of it because I don't think I've ever read that actually happened right any would but but in as much as someone would be arrested and prosecuted for such a crime I think that people who give out neck away for should also be prosecuted yes that's good thing.

Oh worse candy on the earth prove me wrong what is worse right up there with neck away for candy cigarettes that that that's the sound on the store and in the in the packs also gross and in the you mentioned good and plenty to those are bad and those are really bad you know I dated a gal who loved

jujubees right do you remember those little like gumdrop type there were tiny candies but they were super hard and it's like why do you like the I can't under I could not understand it if you're just swallow it like a pill because you're not going to be able to

exactly that's exactly what you do with those but we're don't you did at all you know what else weirds me out sorry we're getting under way in a minute those gummy sharks okay anytime you see those in like a convenience store they're like blue and white but the die

bleeds on to the package and I I'm a man who eats hostess and you could see by looking at me I'm not too discerning but it's like when I see those gummy sharks bleeding blue and white everywhere I'm like I'm not putting that in my body you know where am I putting a gummy

hamburger and all those other weird things were so just disgusting I can't even look at them that's the stuff that like it's around it's around a Christmas time because nobody wants it you know yes yes that's right that that lasts for months that stuff but you know

there's one thing like Jackie likes a lot of bad candy I think she grew up on bad candy you the you know the the elephant peanuts made out of marshmallow oh yeah they're orange well they're they're orange yes and this works yeah I had a friend who's that was his all-time favorite candy there's

circus circus and she be like she'd she'd say to me oh you're not allowed to have any I said you could put that right out you could put that you could put that on my stomach while I'm asleep and I wouldn't be going here she could do me for a week and I wouldn't eat one of those things

Jackie could even do the Armageddon animal cracker cookie act with the circus peanuts and you still wouldn't eat them right yeah I made it weird just then all right well you are listening well what are we doing now we're in and you just made it weird that's must be a record for it

so listers we're so happy you're here on this Halloween 2024 and it's scary right it's already scary but we still thank you for listening to Jay of the Dead's new horror movies Jason I wanted to freak them out with silence right there because usually there usually there's a tagline do you think they were scared everybody checked their player right then is what happened and they're like did it turn off so I was ready to read load my way my least favorite way to start

a motion picture or movie or video of any kind is to have it be dead silent because yes if they're trying to do it for an effect it never works yes all I ever do is check my remote yes go to see if the speakers plugged in you know and it's just like just start with sound so I know that they're sound

and then you can go into 10 minutes of silence you know Mac Mac I love you for saying that and I don't have any tattoos I don't have anything against tattoos I just hate needles but if I got something tattooed on my body it would be that whole script message that Mac just

said I would put it on my back so people can read it I get livid when it's absolute silence at the beginning of a film stop it stop it all right J of the dead here and in case you didn't have enough of us just now I'm still joined by Dave Dr. Shock Becker and Count Macula welcome boys

thank you J so it's good to be talking with you again I know I know it's still us like what 20 seconds later anyways I think I think the music you put in between was was longer than the pause between the recording I know I know well I wanted to start after all that candy talk I want to get down to business by doing something a little unconventional I wanted to talk about a brand new horror short film by filmmaker Mac Robbins now he's here with us he's our friend so

we're not technically reviewing this in fact just to be straight out there this is a bit of a promotion however let me just say I want people to hear me on this I hope that by listing to what we have to say this isn't just like a commercial or anything but I have some thoughts about this and I'm sure Dr. Shock does too I hope that it will intrigue you to watch the short film if you haven't watched it yet because believe it or not I'm a big fan of this even

though it is number one a short film and number two it's a little bit of an short film and both of those things are usually not my cup of tea and Mac will tell you guys if he makes something I don't like like he sent me work films before and all his work films are professional but I do give him the straight up don't I Mac don't I tell it straight yes yes yes I know I yes sometimes I think why is this guy even my friend but that's what happens when people

ask me about the max think max thinking the same thing right that's right so anyways and Dave the only other thing I wanted to say real quick one reason we want to have Mac join us on this is because you and I recently recorded for considering the cinema the weekly watch list we recorded our thoughts on Mac short film however in anticipation that we were going to be talking about the horror facets of this for this show we only talked about non horror aspects

over on considering the cinema so when that comes out in a few weeks from now we hope people will still hear it because we're going to cover different aspects but anyways doc shock even though Mac is here with us he can take it no I'm just kidding just let us know what did you think of max news short film a the Droll well I just want to again before we start recording and it is very impressive I mean it is like you said in art house film and a lot of times

with though with an art with an art film I shouldn't say art is an R.C. type film not art house and it's usually hard to decipher what's the meaning here for you have to watch it several times you can pick up on what is going on

here during that initial viewing as to what it is there are enough clues in that five minutes with all those shots and some of the shots like I said are really as I said in the considering the cinema episode are very impressive and really quite creepy there was one I think I even said this in that

episode but there's one shot with a mirror that absolutely reminded me of a similar moment in the ring from 2002 I mean it almost looked exactly like that to me and I was looking at the comments on on the video and somebody even said it was like the short film like the film that people watched

it for the ring that's not what I don't believe that's what Mac was going for here there's definitely like I said there's definitely a message there and you can pick up on it it's not it's not elusive it's not let me watch I'm going to have to watch this five times and let's analyze you know

it's not and also what I was impressed with and I think I might have said this over there as well was the editing of it you know like the very and this is something I did want to ask Mac is like how did you choose the image order you know with Sergei Einstein had brought up like montage

is what makes a movie a movie you know the the French New Wave Commission and all this me some son it's everything you know the sets and all this other stuff and yes you could see that but you could take five shots five random shots edit them in one sequence it's a comedy

edit them in another sequence it's a thriller you know it all depends on how you choose them and I was wondering you know I did want to ask Mac what was his method for choosing what shots go where and and ultimately putting them in the order he did because it definitely appears to have

been it's deliberate this is not just random you know shots and every now and again he'll throw something in to kick back to the theme it's cohesive in its randomness if that makes any sense but it's that's what it felt like to me it's like okay well there's the different shots going on but

they're they're in a very specific order for a very specific reason is what it seemed like and I just wanted to check with Mac and see if what his process was and and is that the case where there are times when you said oh I got this shot here let me move it earlier or I got

this one at the beginning and I think it worked better at the end yes yes absolutely and so like I knew for a fact that I was going to have the first few shots be the first few shots and have that final shot be the final shot but there was you know in some ways it's like

whenever I make something I feel like I'm really on to something when it almost feels like it's putting itself together you know it's almost like I'm paleontologists that I'm just brushing away the dirt and the skeleton of the velociraptor is revealing itself you

know nice and so it's like as I was putting this together you know yes it is random but I did want to kind of like come back to the themes of like water and you know that's significant there's also like I discovered myself really putting together like a pattern

where I would kind of split up shots into like we see this then we see this then we come back to the first shot you know sort of like an a b a type editing right and so like I felt right about doing that throughout the short and so there's lots of times

where you'll see that yeah and then from there I just you know like the movement of the shots and you know what they're showing I kind of wanted to build the intensity towards like the final couple of shots that you see and so yeah I just felt good about

where I was placing everything although like you say on the one hand I could have put this in a blender you know and had each shot just come out wherever and it would more or less you know quote unquote be the same thing because yes it's like there

is a story to my short but it is also meant to be abstract and artistic in that way yes yeah and I'd like that you were in it and listeners if you if you're watching it there's a scene where Mac is running backwards he's got blonde hair and there's another one where he is in a bathtub

oh that's hilarious I thought you it's serious for a second because I did for this but you worry about it you yeah yeah yeah I know that I'm joking about the scenes of course oh gosh yeah I did end up using my son who you know of all my kids he is

like a carbon copy of me but for this like I wanted to keep the budget really small and so all of the heavy acting is really on the mother character and so I did get one of my actresses who I've worked with a few times before now and she was just awesome and so whenever you see me I'm sort of

just like I'm trying to act in some cases and in other cases I'm like I just need to do this you know I just need to fall in the river you know it's like I can do that I can do that interestingly enough earlier in that episode before we talked about your short film and considering the cinema

I one of the movies I had reviewed had that actress in it uh-huh yes that's amazing neat coincidence yes yes yeah Laura Capoboyanti or however you say her name she is also she was in one of the three movies that I reviewed that night and I had no idea that was the same from your

short until Jay had pointed it out it's really cool Mac so that that'll maybe uh-empt Mac to listen to that episode because he wasn't there for I always love listening to the episodes I like to go back and listen to so yeah Joel no I'm just kidding so anyways um here's what I

want to say when you push play on this short and this is a I hope people this we're going to be talking spoilers for the truth but it's only five minutes if you haven't seen it watch it for five minutes and come back when you first push play the opening scene is so striking to me and

alarming because it's the mother is she is obviously engulfed in grief and horror holding her child and blanket or an Italian mean and it's like I knew immediately when I saw that okay this this kid is gone and this mother is just absolutely destroyed and what's amazing

about this film to me Mac one reason there's so many reasons it affected me but one reason it affected me and impressed me is because as I said I'm resistant to art films abstract films but by the time it was over I was left with the impression where I knew what it happened so

while Mac doesn't in my opinion while he doesn't out the story and in fact a lot of it is in in reverse to some extent you glean the story like all the images add up to a conclusion at least for me did it affect you that way to Dave where you like did you figure out okay

this little boy obviously drown in the bathtub did you figure that out they've yes yes I did and the scene where the the drink is being poured into the into the sink we're given some sort of an idea of what had led up to it maybe yeah I did get that yes definitely did get that

I think the one of the more striking images is the skull yes with the the blood dripping uh-huh yeah so let go ahead oh I was just going to say thank you to the the tour that I took where they talked about psycho using chocolate syrup as well when you're doing

things like a white yeah it looked very affected still works still works was that Hershey or it was yeah okay well it's that it's a perfect consistency it looks like blood yeah it does it does it does it really does here's what's really powerful to me so in this film at least the way I interpret it

and Mac is welcome to say no you missed it J that's not what it's about but here's what I take away so it appears to me that in this film the character that Mac is playing represents the father of this boy and this woman is the mother and for whatever reason

it seems to me that the father is in charge of this bath time sequence and for whatever reason the boy ends up drowning in the tub and so there's this constant reversal of all these things and anytime if you've ever lost somebody super close to you it

reminds me of that scene in the Superman movie where he flies around the earth backward like man I have actually felt that very craving like all you want to do is reverse time and go back in time so that immediately resonated with me personally but then you got

things like most of the time when I saw Mac because he's my good friend I see him every day at work you know I look at him and I'm like well that's Mac in the movie right but there's one scene where he has this expression on his face and I've never I've known this guy for a lot of years now I've

seen that expression on his face and what I take away from it Mac is that he is coming to terms with dealing with the fact that this is the father's fault and there's a scene where the actress looks around with this piercing look and I'm like that is what happened I bet you that look of

scorn is toward the husband because there would be a blaming this would affect their relationship a mistake like this because there's a scene where there's a rose and it's grabbed and it's crushed and I'm like a mistake like this would crush the love and a marriage because if the mother couldn't

forgive the father and if the father couldn't forgive himself you know that's why you see the father like throwing himself into the water there are lots of things I do with that throwing into the water but it's like I'm imagining okay is he trying to like you know this is what I deserve he

is himself in or is he like this is what my son experienced so I need to experience this and then in the depths of his grief it shows him lying on top of the grave and the cemetery I mean this is very powerful stuff to me and then at one point

we see the doctor jekyll and mr. hide book there and he's grabbing the book and I interpreted that is okay the father would think am I a monster I like it there you know I'm a father I'm a man but also I lost this kid and so I he would feel like a monster and that's the way

he's being regarded as the monstrous negligent father and the last thing I'll just say for now at least is it this reminded me I've told Mac this many times but this reminded me in my all time favorite music video which is the scientist by cold play because in that narrative the whole thing

goes in reverse and by the time you get to the end you understand what happened and so the fact that this opens with a dead child and then it ends with a little boy sitting in the bathtub man it just it nailed me like the scientist so I just with everything going backwards yeah it's

almost like memento yeah you start with the end and you you end with the beginning that's right so yeah a ton of horror in this real life horror which is why it affected me so much so anyway I just want to say bravo to you Mac I'm very impressed with this and I'm looking forward to

more of your your horror work brother yes absolutely and you know you don't see that look on max face because that's usually the look he makes when he leave your cubicle that's true I'm sure he does I have no doubt but anyways all right well anything else yeah you guys

I just wanted to say to you because like I appreciate you guys talking about my film it really means lots of me and I have enjoyed it being abstract because what you just said Jason no one else has gotten out of it yet or at least they haven't told me that you know and I'm not even sure why

but there's a shot of like you know from my house you can see the lake and I just threw that shot in there I mean I was just like okay it's just a shot that I put in there but I had a friend of mine that was like you know here's this beautiful view but you know if your son had drowned

in the tub this would be a haunting view you know and yes like I I did want to and hopefully I was pulling in kind of a cool homage type of way I did pull that shot from the ring where she's like looking into the mirror it's actually the ring is not the only one who does it but the ring

is the one that explains it where it's like it's actually an impossible shot because whenever you see a mirror in a movie they have to film it at an angle or else you'll see the cameraman so they can't film it straight on but there is a way to shoot it straight on where you kind

of have to do some film trickery and so that's what we did and also we couldn't use CGI for this particular competition so I was like I had to do this practical and the other thing that I was really happy about is somebody watched it and picked up on the fact that there's this short films made like in the 40s by a director named Maya Durin and she did some

people. Maya Durin yes yeah yeah she did meshes of the afternoon yes and like it was so creepy too is like I could have sworn that this particular person sent me that short film and I was like hey do you remember like sharing this with me and he's like I've never even heard of that so it's like man

who shared this who shared this with me but anyway like she I have her I have a collection she has a DVD set out of her of her work she's so interesting and I I did pull some shots kind of like from her meshes of the afternoon and she also does that thing where she plays

with shadows in a way where it's like the hand reaches for the flower or like the shadow of the hand reaches for the flower before the actual hand comes in to grab the you know the flower type of thing and so that's what I wanted to accomplish with this is like the story is still there it's

not just totally because I mean obviously when you watch the ring there's the big long story and then the but the videotape itself is kind of just random shots put together right well I guess not I guess not because there is some meaning there's meaning to it's not the meaning to it but

that's what I wanted accomplishes like it's abstract enough that you're picking up on you know each person gets to kind of interpret it the way they want to but at the same time there is to me beginning and an end at least and the middle is kind of sort of left up to interpretation

maybe that's the best way to put it two other things that reminded me so thank you because the jog my memory other things I wanted to say yes all the various I know that the theme of the contest was water but all the various instances where water appears in this film they were

significant to me because just today for example I was watching a true crime murder show and somebody hacked up somebody's friend and they have her body in these black garbage bags and the talking head survivor was saying every time I see a black garbage bag I think for a second about that

and so I imagine that if somebody well you know I'll just put it out there like I'll put it out there like having had someone close in my life drown water does remind me and not every time I see a glass of water take a drink of water but like with something like this that's so

fresh that just happened all these instances of water in the image of the lake all that would remind you of how the sun was lost and then also the fact of the water going down the drain it reminds me to of like this short little life is extinguished it just all gone down the drain

post production note so I forget to say something during the comments here so forgive me but regarding the child's skull in Max film there's an image of a portrait hanging on a wall of a child's skull so there's the skull prop that he actually handles in the film but then there's an

image of a portrait on the wall and it has all of its teeth it has the children's teeth right and then the adult teeth which are kind of up in the gum area what would be the gum area of the skull and in fact I think this image might be an abnormal dentition of a child's skull because

it seems to have an excessive number of teeth but that actually supports my interpretation even more because I feel this image does an excellent job of representing a life in progress or a life that was interrupted in cut short where so much potential was unrealized and will never be able

to occur this deceased child will not grow up and lose his baby teeth and receive his adult teeth so his potentials cut short prematurely and because this skull has an excessive number of teeth in the portrait it even drive the point more and is a little disturbing

anyways back to the initial recording the last thing I'll say probably is when there's the blood right and the reason that I ultimately concluded for certain that I think it was the dad who was the culprit who was negligent is he ends up having blood on his hands and on his face so he is red handed

with this the guilt of negligence and also it's not just on his hands but it is visible in his very countenance on his face as well so powerful stuff Mac is seriously see I appreciate it and I do hope people go and see it I did not get into this contest that I entered which

bums me out you know there was like 200 plus films that were made and they were screening the top 15 and I've kind of bummed about that too because I'm really happy that I ended up deciding to make black and white because believe it or not at one point I was like oh I'm going to do this in color

but I'm pretty sure that like every I wouldn't be surprised if all 200 plus except for mine are in color and I was just like man I wish they would have taken that into consideration or something like that and let mine be the one black and white film in this contest but I don't know

I think black and white helps it I really do I think going in and black white was the right move sometimes we do have people from the industry who hear our shows believe it or not I know it's shocking but they do and yeah people out there in the industry if you haven't seen the mac robins

a Theodrol definitely check it out I got a link there in the show notes at newhorrormovies.com this is episode 123 and it's also on max youtube channel mac robins so make sure you go watch a Theodrol any final thoughts we're not doing ratings today because doc shock and I aren't reviewing it

but do you have any final thoughts you want to throw out their doc shock I did want to ask the title yes yes the title was I don't remember why I felt so strongly about this at some point in my life but I was like I would love to make up a word you know and I did have that what was really

the inspiration for like this short was yes that idea of like turning the corner you know you're just living your life and then you turn the corner and you come across the most horrifying thing that could ever happen to you right that's like there's a moment where the father turns the corner

and sees the mother with the child and so I remember thinking that I remember wanting like man if you could rewind time sort of thing and so that just for some reason a Theodrol just popped into my head almost with that I you know when people are like what's the first thought that comes to your head

or the word association type thing and I remember looking it up and being like this isn't a word you know but I was like I'm going to use it and I'm going to see what kind of things it ends up sort of meaning to me and when I fade the title and I sort of faded in backwards and then as it disappears

as it disappears those first or the last three letters the R.A.L I'm like that could represent the father the mother and the child and then if you watch there's sort of like a beat in between the three fades and then it spells out and scrambled letters death and so I was like I liked that idea

of like death being hidden in this these people's life and nice I did I did I didn't make that connection obviously come on I'm sorry J.N you've been trying to explain that to me weren't you I was messing yeah that title I was another thing that I was nervous about doing that just going in

and just being like I'm going to give it this title which sort of doesn't mean anything but I was telling Jason there was another title in this contest where it was A-A-A-W-W-W-J or I mean O-O-O-O-O-O W-W-So it was like you know that's just like my title's better than that right yeah right

that's right alright anyways the film is called a Theodrol by filmmaker Mac Robbins aka Magilla definitely follow the link because I tried searching on YouTube and I got nothing but cultural videos cultural but like if you spell my name correctly m-a-c-k and then R-o-b-1-b-i-n-s then you should

find me pretty fast and then you can find my short films which I did I did the Theodrol and Mac Robbins and I did the Theodrol toward the top when I put it in the name of the contest is when it came up immediately oh when it finally came but yes but Jason you're going to link the make the app

absolutely right go to the link yes new horror movies dot com its episode 123 and it's near the top of the show notes because we're giving away for those who go watch the Theodrol film on YouTube and leave a comment there on YouTube for Mac I put up a long legs blu-ray and Mac

is putting up a blu-ray of prey and Godzilla minus one so if you go watch Max film leave a comment there on the Theodrol then Mac will be doing a random selection of three lucky winners we hope you'll support Max work and potentially win a horror blu-ray anyway problem Mac

I assure you Mac I did spell your name correctly it's not exactly anger bird humberton yeah that's true that's right all right well we appreciate you Mac thank some you made us I told Mac Dave when I first watch his film I told him I'm like brother you made us proud you made us proud

it's real life horror sadly you know this this could and does happen to people and I think Mac nailed it I agree the following review contains major plot spoilers for Godzilla minus one which is the review at hand as well as for the dark night rises and Indiana Jones and the last crusade

all right J the dead here and I have something very special that I'm so excited to bring to all of you we have one of our famous take two reviews which if people are new to this podcast and you don't know we have like nine hosts on this show and so of course when there's a movie

that comes out you know a couple of us will get to see it we'll you know a few weeks or months later we'll have a number of other hosts who have seen it and then we also want to hear their reviews as well so because we get their other take so we already did a review of Godzilla minus one

that was a Gilman Joel and me and you can hear that in episode let me see episode 82 and we did a mild spoilers during the review and then we did a major spoiler section if you want to hear it but today I'm happy to present a take two discussion led by Greg Mortis and macula and Dave Z

so Greg take it away thank you Jay and it's good here at a time and I feel honored man because having I know Max such a huge fan of the Godzilla universe I know he's probably one the biggest and Dave Z as well so freaking awesome man I feel so minor here but Godzilla minus one so

what is the story about you know it's been out for a while now but it has been out for a while now so I'm going to talk about the Netflix so it is over on Netflix but it's basically taking place is the 37th film it says in the Godzilla universe so this is just yet

another Godzilla but I do want to go ahead and put a disclaimer up front this has nothing to do with the Godzilla King Kong universe so I think people are getting that confused my bosses getting that confused like oh he doesn't do this well it's not really in that way so you got shin Godzilla came

out in 2016 right it was a big hit came out of nowhere nobody expected shin Godzilla to be anything shin Godzilla come that's great moving man love it got it on blue right absolutely love that movie and this was kind of taking off of that universe so it's 1945 you know it's World War II and you

got Koshi Koshi she she she she she yeah there you go so that word three times but you got Koshi coming in and he's a big hit so let's be honest he's a chicken he he's supposed to do what he was supposed to do uh die you know in a comic cosy outfit way and and he didn't do it he

checking out and he fires back to the Japanese base uh thinking they have mechanical problems and that's when uh he's met by this crew of people over on the island and they're like looking at him kind of strange and then we have Godzilla like instantly within the first three minutes we got

Godzilla and uh some things take place there so we followed the story of this this comic cosy pilot flash forwards two years later and and uh the term rule because of a battle that took place with Godzilla and this crew and how you know basically the crew was wiped out sport uh

and and he has to live with that guilt and the fact that he didn't do what he was supposed to do it war two so he's got a lot on them right and then that's where I want to go ahead and say instantly man I really really loved the theatrical experience I had watching this movie I did

not get a chance to see the re-releases the black and white version theater which first my bubble I wanted to see it so bad because I feel like this one hits so much of that 1954 original gohira feel right it just has that feel and I missed that but I did see the original run of it and was

like I mean it was my number one movie of 2023 it just like blew me away and I was like watching it on Netflix and I won't go ahead and put it this game around the Netflix English Dub sucks it totally made this movie completely different than what it was in the theater and I hated it I was like

dude this movie is pissing me off now and it's because the English dub was horrible I even made some of the musical score in it like it just has a totally different feel and I hated that part of it but the movie in the theater I love this movie is phenomenal Jay I heard you say

something back here did you feel because I did not listen to y'all take on this on purpose well that was me I was so I watched this with my nine year old and you know we started it and he's so smart in in fact he's been doing like dual sub titles and we did start it I know people say

that when you kick Nick Netflix on like it just automatically goes into the English dub but mine didn't do that it went right into original Japanese audio and subtitles and so we watched about 25 minutes of it that way and then my poor nine year old he was doing awesome you know keeping up with subtitles and I asked him a few of his comments and I said I don't want to do that.

You don't want me to read the subtitles out loud so you can hear you know and finally he was like I just want them to talk in English and so we did throw on the dub and I know usually what I would do is kind of like if I'm watching a Jackie Chan movie and it's like mostly comedy then it

almost makes it funnier when they're like lips aren't like I was enjoying it just as much with the English dub it wasn't bothering me or my son at all we had a great time for the rest of the movie so maybe that was just because like I knew my son needed a break from you know reading this movie but yeah I don't know we still had such a good time from from the moment we switched to English to the very end so yeah I'm curious did you see this in the theater?

I was like I can't even believe I didn't it's like insane that I didn't see this in theaters because like that's all I wanted to do and I just didn't make it to the theater but and I started a panic because like when it was nominated for an academy award I looked up you know I'm

Googling how do I see how do I watch Godzilla minus one and at the time the internet was like there's exactly one way to watch this movie and it is to be on the Academy Award board and have you know because apparently they had you know special you know they have to watch it whatever

it was like unless you're that person or a friend of that person you're not seeing it did not exist anywhere in any way shape performed wasn't streaming but so but I had so much hope that it would stream again and so when I came to Netflix I was like okay good you know I'm really looking

forward to buying this but Jason's and Joel's review I know so and like what they said is actually pretty brilliant and I think people could go back and listen to that and get like a really good idea of like a lot of what Joel is saying I was like yes yes yes like he so yes he's putting this it was

going to be so that was brilliant yes well Jason too and Jason for sure but I'm just kidding well curious let's head over to you Daisy first of all did you see this in the theater and second of all you know just going to give kind of your initial thoughts were so we spoiling or no

that's totally up to Jay it's honestly if you guys want to do spoilers you can just make it a big announcement about it and give the heads up if you want to say we'll make it right now no no because I mean for initial thoughts I won't because once I say a thing I know there's going to be more

discussion here we go so what I'm going to do is just for initial thoughts now no I did not see it in the theater and I knew a lot of people were into it I was hearing you know just so I can't tell you the last time I've heard something that's kind of in the horror genre being

beloved as much as this has been so I was hearing so many good things now me typically I'm out of a huge fan of the big monster things like I will watch them I will watch I watch like Kong skull island I really enjoyed that I like Kong and Godzilla I kind of feel about them mostly the way I feel

about like Marvel movies and things like that that most of the time there I give them an eight and I will say that they're great and most of the time I don't go back to them they're just like a one time watch for me yeah it was great but it's not something I find myself returning

but I was like okay I'm glad I saw it I can move on so I wasn't running out to see this I even four five years ago because I got it a real cheap at some sale still I've been taken out of the shrink ramp it's just been sitting there I want to watch it I'm never in the mood for Godzilla and monsters

like that don't know why used to watch them when I was a kid sometimes I'm like Saturday mornings so I would see the old school Godzilla stuff and I will catch him and I used to enjoy that but I wasn't really heavy into it it was just some the the full time and yeah that was cool so I know that so

what I'm going to say is this I am going to talk about first and foremost what I enjoyed I thought it looked great right off the bat when I saw it started I thought the water looked great so you know watching it at my home and it's you know HD and everything so I mean there's something to be

said about having the right you know stuff at your house and home theater system and whatnot so it does help obviously so it looked great it sounded great when we finally get I shouldn't say finally when we see Godzilla he looks great not so much in the first scene as we as as later later

on when we see him in broad daylight and we see what he's capable of and the regeneration and then the thing that I think puts the movie over the edge and I think so one of the things that I think if it wasn't there it may not be quite as beloved because it is such a great trick when he

when Godzilla is able to do that thing and blow out the freaking whatever you want to call it blow that thing out that the atomic freaking bombs coming out of his mouth or whatever it is it is such an amazing effect and has an amazing you know reaction just like wow I haven't seen

that before that's cool when he makes his noise and stuff it's actually kind of scary I can imagine his hearing something like that in the sky you know what I mean you're like what's that you know so all that stuff is really good I thought it was actually quite good when for once the guy that's

heading at all like the dock we're already friends with him he's already in the group of the main characters like wow look at that and they were kind of shocked at it themselves like oh look at all the respect he's getting and then you know he knew what he was talking

about and he was like so I thought that was cool because you hear because a lot of this is predictable to the to the fact that I'm not going to be negative I was able to predict a lot of where everything was going to go but when he was sitting there at the table and they're all trying to figure

out what to do after after the dock puts in his initial you know this is what we're going to do with the quotation devices and the sinking and all that other stuff and I see the lead character just kind of sitting there not saying order to Michael Corleone in part one when you know

I'll go and kill the guys yeah a little kid get mixed up in the business come on you know because I'm like thinking okay this is where it's going he's he's going to volunteer to do something and sure he does there here's a question how come in the beginning when the woman is running

with their baby and he gives her shelter with the baby into into his place I guess it's his baby and they go in there and she says no she starts the baby down and then he picks the baby up and goes there and she says there's too many people looking around at me when I'm carrying the baby

what is that supposed to mean like so is it better if a guy is running around with some some baby that we may or may not know if it's his or not why did she set that baby down can anyone give me a good explanation for that well she's like she was being chased by her baby and then she's like

she's like she's like stealing because she was so poor or whatever but she hands him the baby so she can be a little bit you know you imagine I mean this happened to be literally last night I was trying to play a game where at a carnival where I'm knocking over milk and I couldn't

do it because I was carrying a baby but I set the baby down and then it's like bam I hit those bottles down like crazy it's like a baby and then she was like out of there and once they couldn't find her anymore that's why she was afraid like it was okay for him to be out

in the open because they weren't chasing him right they were just chasing her for whatever reason so she had to wait until he kind of like moved into the back instead of the main street sort of thing that's that's what I was understanding but oh I didn't realize she was being

chased first and foremost I thought everybody was running because you know it was hitting the fan there was all kinds of crazy this going on so I just saw everybody running so again that could have just been a me problem but in my recollection and correct me if I'm wrong didn't she set the baby down

someplace at one point he sets her down because he's considered because he's holding her for like hours is kind of what they're like I'm applying and then he's like I got to go you know so he's like do I just set this baby on the ground and he thinks about it considers it but then he's like no

I can't do that that's crazy so he picks it back up and then moves into the kind of the alley way and that's where she like she's like hey you know okay so she just bumped into him somehow and he just happened to choose him to hand the baby too yeah yeah exactly yeah so she just I just thought he had a kind face and said here I'll just give you the baby you know exactly I I guess I could kind of give that a pass because she's the too many people are looking on my what does that mean either way

That's fine. I'm and so I don't have an issue with that, but I did have to ask that so Again when the Godzilla is on the screen and when he's doing his damage and when he's messing up the city and When those you know those things in his body are raising up and you're seeing like whatever nuclear power coming on of him and whatnot

That always tremendous. So I see that as the draw. I see that's what people love about it And I think that stuff is great And I'll leave it at that because I do have a problem with the main character his so-called the arc and

Some other things that seemed here's the weird thing. It seemed way too Hollywood for a Japanese movie I'll say that because everything was so Polyanna predictable and just Oh, yeah, and Problem and of course I had a problem with this bastard from jump that no matter what he did

And he just got making mistakes as a movie one on But we'll get to that in the next for right now I understand why people love this movie and I do think it's great I'm not so I'm not rapping on the movie, but I think I'm gonna be a little bit lower than a lot of people and I'll leave it at that But I it's really good. Yeah, that's that's the thing that that I'm getting like from my boss My boss is a big Godzilla fan right original and first thing his complaint was about the movie said

Godzilla's fat. He said why's Godzilla fat? Yeah, then the second point was is Godzilla ain't eating nobody I said when did Godzilla really eat anybody? I was like what are you talking about? He's like he's just standing around. He's just like a lunatic. He just he's not even moving like he's just fat and Not doing nothing like this boring. I was like what movie did you watch? I'm not I'm not understanding what you're watching

I don't know where you go with it. And then I watched Netflix Netflix version and I'm like okay I kind of I don't see what you're saying, but at the same time like the dialogue took me way out of watching the English Doug really hurt me, but I don't know if we really got your take Mac

Well, what was your initial thoughts and then we'll pass around some negativity if we got any in that type situation Yeah, I wanted to start at the very beginning for me because like I was thinking about that as I was thinking about the horror adventures And I was like I might be the biggest Godzilla fan out of all these I'm not okay. Thank you. I already already night you then I'm

Oh, thank you. Yeah, I'm in your nightness of God's ill and I've got some work to do and I already had like I'm not I can't create another segment because you know I'm already neglected my vampire one, but but like I will say you know

I haven't seen every single Godzilla movie ever made but there is a special place in my heart And I'll just quickly tell you guys like for whatever reason when I was very very young I was like drawn to Japan and the people of Japan and I did my little elementary school project on Japan And I remember the first time I learned about the nuclear bombs Like that was the first time in my life that I was like devastated and now I have a brother in law who made it very clear

You know, I know there's an argument. That's like hey look Those those bombs saved lives because Jap Japan would never have surrendered otherwise and the war would have gone on and on and on and more people to died I understand that's the argument, but I also understand that we can never answer that question of like well Is that true or is that not true right but but just thinking about how they might have felt right is like

There because the whole idea behind Godzilla as far as I understand is let's like you know if there's This monster or that monster. They're sort of a way to defeat them and even in that original Godzilla movie They are working on a plan to defeat Godzilla, but when he first shows up He's sort of undefeatable right and that's a good point Greg I mean he's not out there to even eat people

I mean, I don't think he eats people in the first one or any of them because he's not out there for nutrition He's just Destroying, you know, and there's this it's interesting to me that like for whatever reason it seems like the first Godzilla movie in a franchise You're right because it's like there's different takes or whatever, but it seems like the first one It's so dead serious like that 2014 one I have a special place in my heart because it was so serious

But then it seems like you know sometimes they get a little goofy like if you think of that first Godzilla versus King Kong like it's it gets so goofy by the end that it's it's sort of hard to to remember where we came from which is this idea of like

You know, here's this unstoppable force and there's a very famous scene in the very first Godzilla movie where there's this mother and her little girl And here comes Godzilla and guess what nothing is gonna save those that that family, you know and it's just so devastating And so for whatever reason like I've always connected with this story and You know, I yeah, I've just always been there ready to embrace like all the gods and will In fact Jason here's a really quick funny

Story about Godzilla to bring it a little bit lighter, but I remember sitting in theaters with that Matthew Broderick Godzilla, which is Don't think right? Oh, don't think but I had to go to the bathroom so bad But even then as a kid I mean when did that come out by anyway?

I'm like a kid. Yeah, so I must have been So I was 12 but like even then I was like I'm not gonna step out and go to the bathroom You know, but I had to go so back so of course I had like a giant soda whenever but I was like I was like I'm gonna hold it

I'm gonna hold it. I'm gonna hold it and then they like I don't remember they defeat it Godzilla or stop Godzilla or whatever and I was like okay finally the movie's got it in and then all of a sudden It's like oh no Godzilla had babies and there's like 45 extra minutes But like I

Anyway, I just I have such a special like yeah, it's so interesting how Godzilla can be so serious and then you know It's very you know like with this new Legendary Godzilla this Godzilla times Kong, you know, whatever that one was like I actually liked it more than I thought But it does get ridiculous with like Godzilla has a pink mohawk which I kind of love and hate at the same time

You know, it's like but like and like King Kong has like this metal arm. It's like whatever, you know like I don't know why they kind of like So quickly devolve into the you know, whatever that is but but this Godzilla movie Minus one does bring it to that like dead serious Feeling and in the original Godzilla. I love how You know when people talk about the Loch Ness monster I feel like it's so easy to be like it's not real But what's so cool about the legend of the Loch Ness monster is

There actually was animals like that right there's dinosaurs that were that size they swam around and so The idea behind the Loch Ness monster isn't did an animal like that ever exist But does it still exist and the concept with Godzilla in the first one they talk about how he's this dinosaur

That when they drop the nuclear weapons or or from because of nuclear testing and stuff He's like grown to this huge size Or that that's what they're talking about in this Godzilla minus one and that's why when he first shows up And I'm like man, he is big, but he's kind of like double T-Rex size Which is like not your typical Godzilla because Godzilla is humongous humongous humongous, right?

In fact, that's what always cracked me up with that like Godzilla versus Kong because if you watch that original King Kong from 1933

Mm-hmm. He's like he's like three stories tall Which is huge and I would not want to go up against a three-story gorilla trust me, but if he's he's three stories tall Godzilla's like 300 stories tall, you know, so it's like it's been it always cracked me up that they had to be like How are these two supposed to fight but anyway, that's a different story But like that's what I loved about this you know when he first show up I was like disappointed with how small he was

But then I realized what they were doing was introducing the idea that like he's this kind of ancient dinosaur right that's been Hidden under the water for so long, but then as the atomic bomb Goes off he becomes this huge, you know, and has that atomic breath You know, it's like that beam that he can shoot out of his mouth and this is yeah, this is done I know you you and Joel talked about it Jason, but like this is done in a different way than it's ever been done before as far as

I know and it's like it's so cool and it's so straightforward and I just had a great time and and like I I started to get the chills and even my son who's watching with me we are kind of like jumping up and down when it was getting towards the end and they're trying to

Stop Godzilla and they started to play the original Godzilla music and I just got like the chills all over my body and I was just like It just felt really realistic for me personally and I was just like loving every minute of it So I just yeah, I can't talk like

You know higher enough more praise for God's the little minus one. I just like literally loved this movie in my experience with it Yeah, I totally get that you know It's the first thing is when you see that Toho emblem pop up on the screen the logo that

Make me feel giddy. It's just like Childhoods back and they they did it with of course with ultra-manage is my ultimate favorite and you know You see it, but when it does you you get Gees so you got that but then when that music hits is just that that note that does

Drives me crazy like yes, I'm home. This is my happy spot Yeah, and as a most this moody right here really gave me those fields in the theater that that happy spot like author The movie I'm just getting those moments I get and I'm gonna go to you Dave Z Because I know you're hot take on this guy because of his character like this dude is a complete ass Let's be honest like you know

He's done the unthinkable the unspeakable. He's done that and in every decision he makes is just stupid wrong Idiotic mistakes, right, but then minor to major spoiler This is one of few movies I cried at had a tear go down my cheek at you know at a scene in the movie and

It may or may not have involved this character. I'm like You know it's just that Sorry Emily, but I'm just saying Uncle Greg did not say a bad word on here But no, it just had those moments and then this guy is that guy you're like You're really making this the main guy why are we gonna root for this guy right? Is that where you going Dave Z?

Say that again, is that where you going because of this guy because you know We're to root form where to cheer him home yet he is the essence of of evil to Japan right? He's like you know nothing about this character should be

Honorable man. Well, that's the start of it But he just kept doing it throughout the film and then also it got too Like I said everything became everything went his way in the man did not deserve anything to go his way So it's just he was the luckiest freaking person ever And here I am wanting to root against him from the first frame and I gotta keep seeing this and then it just got

Worse as it went on and then the last five minutes. Oh my God I couldn't even I was just like it was insult to injury for me I don't usually Have this reaction so when I get into it I will do my best to explain the why he's behind it believe me you never hear me complain about

I've only done it once before with the Hitcher and that was because he was making so many stupid decisions stupid is one thing but Beaches just being mean and bad our other ones For me like I know you're using the word like chicken to explain what he's like at the beginning for me personally

Like I've never had to go to war right so I don't know what that's like, but I'm like man. I feel so normal I would describe him because like look I want to defend my country I want to protect my family whatever but like and I do not want to die So it's like and I thought it was really cool too when they're going up You know that this may be considered somewhat of a spoiler But you know they're talking at one point because there was this mentality in World War II where it was like

Look, I don't care if you die if you can take four or five soldiers with you or about a literal boat load Then like you've done you know, you're you brought on to Japan But then as they're going up against Godzilla There's this really brilliant speech where I got emotional where they're like look

Let's not go out there to sacrifice our lives. Let's go out there to live Like the goal will be to keep everyone alive and and and to just stop this force from happening And I was like man that that's so my mentality that like for me it resonated with me

And I totally understood that it's like look I want to protect my family I want to do the right thing but but I want to live too And so like how do you how do you come to terms with that especially when when he's been asked to do what he's been asked to do But I love everything you just said Mack and so they're that out there. I agree 100% yeah, yeah And this you're doing unthinkable right? I don't think any any sane person would be like

Okay, I will do this right? I don't you got to be in a mentality like okay I'm willing to lay my life down for this, but let's look at it on the flip side and Daisy you can come in on this one as well was like as a kamikaze you are to take out like you said three four boat Whatever people now had he had done this the second time, you know because he failed to do it with the kamikaze He had he had done it when Godzilla was there and he's supposed to fire the the weaponry at the Godzilla

You know it may have been a different outcome because all these people died in the city right the city was destroyed because he didn't do the thing But here's my flip side of that those bullets weren't doing nothing to him anyways If he had been in that plane shooting it was not stopping my But he didn't know that and neither did I want to know every single person there is literally saying Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi you're my own You know they're saying go out there and my big problem was I

Didn't see a good reason why not to shoot you're there you're in the thing you have guns at your disposal Right even if they don't hurt him even if he was thinking that or whatever

It's not gonna make one bit of difference to you. You're there. You're shooting these people here are Gonna run off and try to survive all you got to do is freaking kill him which I understand It's not gonna kill him but they don't know him from Adam at that point god so so if they're willing to send him out there to freaking go Bless him well then you're right there get me a good reason Why he didn't do it you can't say he's afraid because he's right there. What's the worth?

It's gonna happen. He's already 10 foot from the monster so It's stupidity and cowardice at the same time which is double freaking jeopardy It's just like wow and and this was the big thing as soon as that happened and I'm pissed off at the character now This begins a whole moving of me thinking something's gonna happen and then pulling the rug up and that's Because as soon as that happened Right I say to myself please Please kill this guy, okay?

So I'm rooting for this man's death two minutes into the movie, okay? I don't even care about him being afraid as a kamikaze That is a good setup for an hour that I if it was just that if we find out that you know He was out on And ending his life that way and maybe it didn't believe in certain things war or whatever I could excuse a little bit of cowardice something like that

That's one thing, but that's not what we have here. We have this guy who doesn't do it the second time He gets a chance to do something and then he gets out and runs and I see I want to say Godzilla's tail I could be wrong flips the plane up in the air and when I see the plane go up in the air knowing it's gonna Lend on the ground and thinking okay the plane's gonna land on him and it's gonna be kind of funny and that's what I

100% thinking is gonna happen. He's gonna inadvertently die this guy running off by Happens dance of running away if you wonder on a way he might have survived to me That would have been poetic justice and then it didn't happen and that's when the other guy runs out And that's when I text a group and say if this guy here becomes the main character I'm gonna tell you right now I'm not gonna be invested in this movie and that's the way I felt at that minute Now let's put that aside

Let's put that aside. He goes home easy. I'll admit with the one person why you bet I know I'm so against him anyway that I'm like yeah, and now I'm piling on But if he was just a kamikaze that was doubt I could live with that that's fine So I'm like okay, whatever now the whole thing with the with with him running and the girl and the baby and

Everything else and I'm like okay now they're gonna get in there. All right. Let's see what happens here Okay, and then they have a scene on the boat and I'm mad at the character of like I'm willing to see where else It's gonna go we get some good action stuff

He ends up being a dead eye and doing his thing on the boat and he does what he's supposed to do that's awesome And I'm like okay, you know, I'm not gonna love the guy because that's still a really bad thing He did it to beginning and I yeah, I wish you would have been killed So I'm never gonna love it, but if everything else in the movie is great great, okay? So now for no reason whatsoever

I'm watching the movie and I'm thinking to myself. Okay, he's got these friends coming over I go all right this little girl is never gonna know that this is never her real mommy and never her real daddy by birth

And they're gonna live a normal life and then it'll be fine. She doesn't need to know that's a baby You never tell them that why would just not the game from it and she's so young at the time, you know So they decide to get together and raise the kid and I'm like okay, that's kind of nice

Then he brings those guys home for lunch or dinner after work or whatever and for no reason It serves no good except to hurt somebody say don't call me daddy I'm not your father and I'm like the you son of a bitch now now As an empath and a parent that I am I am so angry at this guy now That's just evil that there is a self-serving. There's nothing good that can come from that and even as friends are looking at him

Now to me that's a son of a bitch. You do something like that Now things are going on in the movie all right now the movie is going on we get that great attack stuff And then I get to this point now first before the guy's talking about this

It's I can I can dream this isn't a nightmare. I can live and I'm thinking I don't care I don't care about you and your freaking dream and you should you're oh god now the scene happens when God's always attacking Everything and they're in the subway or they're in the train whatever and the girls up there I'm thinking okay. This is the great scene a great shot But we know she has no chance of dying so I'm not really in the moment

I know this woman's not gonna die. She's the here. She's the the love interest the mother of this They're not gonna kill her off like this. It's just not gonna happen. So sure enough. They don't now Now I'm about to give it credit for a minute But then they swerve me because then the thing does happen and she she saves him the son of a bitch He gets saved by her

This guy is so lucky. She pushes him in the thing so the freaking thing picks her up and takes her away I'm like really you just saved him so again he gets lucky and then I'm thinking of myself Wow, they got me they actually did kill her but then the back I'm at I'm like wow Just like I always say if I don't see the body they might not be dead, but how they gonna do that? I mean come on. That's that'd be ridiculous

So I guess I was wrong. They swerve me. They did kill her. Okay, that adds to it. Now he's a single father Okay, let's do what we're gonna do. It's not cool, but let's see what we're gonna go now Now we get to the my poorly-owned scene which I you can call the first second. Of course he's gonna step up now blah blah blah and this is the part There's no way in hell no matter what the circumstances and I'm not here to tell you that I'm father of the year or on this

I've made mistakes. I've done good things. I've done bad things now my daughter If you ask her how she feels she might you know say all excellent things and she has done that But still I'm not a pet on the back type of guy for myself. So There's no way there is nothing that could be happening in this world that is going to make me leave my daughter Especially after she just lost her mother and what's going on in this situation?

And yes, I know it's not the birth daughter and he's made it perfectly clear because he's an SOB but still But he was thinking that he had to do it or else she would be killed by God's old's next attack though That's I just that's hard. Well, yeah, but still look at it this way if I knew that there were nuclear bomb or something was going on here and I could go and fight and try to save the earth or this giant monster is gonna come back and I can at least die

Trying to protect my daughter and have my arms around her and say it's okay. Daddy's got you And I'm gonna hold you as as the rubble falls on me. I would rather do that if I'm gonna save anybody instead of saving the world Call me selfish. I am going to make sure my daughter when she goes in those moments She goes somewhat peacefully and I'm with her, but that's me. Okay I know I would be beautiful. Thank you. I would never leave my daughter in a situation

So then not even to save everybody else. I know, but that's I can't help it so be it so now then he gives this girl The other woman all this money that he has and I'm thinking great. She's gonna now she can use all that money for the therapy She's gonna need after all this Her mother or father, you know done this girl is gonna be in a terrible She's already crying like an infant. She's like two two and a half years older when she cries

She sounds like a six-month-old. I'm like this baby is a hurt She when she cries you can tell it was powerful stuff So now I'm even more angry because now he's leaving his daughter So he's done thing after thing after thing just to piss me off and not want to give him a second chance I just can't so now now we go to war and all this is gonna happen and now if here's the first thing I see the plane flying he's flying this plane and he's going at God's oh, I'm like wait a minute

So we're not gonna do this whole water thing that they were talking about it. What's going on? And then they do and I'm like okay Because that would have been terrible those like 25 minutes left. I'm like what's gonna happen? So now Now all the stuff's going on in the movie and this and that and then there's this one scene and everybody stops and it's silent Everybody looks up and here's me rolling my eyes

Yeah, is there any doubt what they're looking at of course? It's gonna be hero boy With the freaking Disney polyanna Holly would come back The end which you've been calling for the first 10 minutes. Let's not do anything different Let's do everything the same as it's always been done. Okay, so then he comes in and then for a moment again Again when he flies into the mouth and it's a great effect and the way it happens and the head blow and him falling back

It's wonderful. I'm thinking okay This girl's gonna be messed up, but at least she could know her father died a hero and then dead is an honorable thing to do Okay, all right and there I am and I'm watching the movie and literally I wrote this down. Oh Come Pair of shoot coming down and it's like why I hear movies and I get sick every time I hear we got a live one here Oh Dave's he was like they did a they did a dark night rises on us here

Oh, they did a freaking misery. He didn't get out of the cock and duty car I was so mad and then boy, that's a way to stick it to me Then the very last frames and he goes up there as a phone call and he runs up They can don't even freaking tell me don't even tell me they're gonna cheat us again after all this and then oh For Pete's sake just leave leave a bad taste in my mouth. Just stop Is that a mic drop right there Dave

For sure with my notes on it. I was disgusted. I don't think I dropped it on the table That was a cell awesome because I know I'm the bad guy, but people I did I think I did a good job explaining why I never set out to not like somebody I

I'm telling you it comes from a good. I can't help it that this is the way I felt watching this character from the opening Free so tell me why I'm wrong and then let's discuss Here's the thing like I can't disagree with what you're saying because everything that you said is Right, I'm gonna be honest because I think Mac you agree as well. I mean everything that you're saying I Cannot say like you're wrong, Daisy. Come on, dude. You gotta look at this way, but I just

I was into the Hollywood oven. I was at the end of the Dupes is sitting in the theater and tears running down my Got me they suckered me in Yeah, I was I was tearful too I wish I could have been whoa boys. I wish I could have been I wanted to be like you guys If you love one day, Dave Z if I'm mad I have a little pushback for you because I have to I have to admit But no just let me say I have to admit when I call you when Watson and I call you the persuasive one brother

It is so true because you are very persuasive. It's scary to me. There is a cult of Dave Z However However, and I know this is like talking out of both sides of my mouth because I love realism and horror films And if there's not realism it takes it away from me, but life real life can be so

Dismol and and disappointing and upsetting and and so often things don't work out and tragedies happen so forth So it is there is a little bit of a a Magic spell that happens in the cinema sometimes like a film like this that takes you on a ride and whisks you away and

pulls the rug back and forth all these surprises and things just work out. I mean, I'm with you Watching this film there were a lot of times when I was like what like you're gonna do that But then by the end it was such an experience for me emotionally that I was like, you know

They gave me an experience through the cinema and that's good and it's not real life, but it's good Jason I'm so glad you said that because like I think about that all the time I mean, there's a couple different ways you can end your movie right you end it With all your characters

smiling happy rainbows like Everything worked out and that's great and you know, even though there's like moments of risk throughout the movie They're they're fine Or you can have a character like you can end on a devastating note, you know, you could have that ending and so The other thing that I'm thinking about as you're kind of explaining this magic, right is it's like And this is a spoiler for The last Indiana Jones movie or I guess the 30 Jones movie, but it's like, you know

You have Indie and he's in that tank and it's about to go over and his dad is gonna be devastated if his son dies We could have you know, we could have done we could have gone for it, right? We could have had Indie go over with the Nazi on the tank and his dad would have been Devastated right? You know, but it's like but Indie climbs up the cliff and we kind of get the best of both worlds where we it's like you said

Just like exactly what you just said was perfect. It's like this cinema has the ability to take us on this journey that Israel sometimes it's super realistic sometimes. It's not realistic at all and other times you kind of get the best of both worlds Because like that's how exactly how I felt with this God's Illuminus one ending is it's like

Because I was convinced that you know, she had sacrificed herself and so it's like I was on that journey I was and I was convinced that he was on that same trajectory and I was like even though that's devastating for this girl Like that's where we're headed, you know, and then to be able to kind of You know have your cake and eat it to it's like to have this happy ending

I was like on cloud nine. I was loving this movie from beginning So I think my biggest thing was was I think if this character had not Drown me toward the girl like the way that he kind of took this girl in as his daughter and the drawings and the different things They hit on the the parents emotions, you know as a parent you feel those emotions, you know the kid draws it whatever

So I looked at it the aspect that's in the movie. I'm like through shardy lost her parents and Ashley's lost this woman And Ashley gonna lose you and I'm like oh my gosh don't do this to me and then they let them live You know, spoiler and I'm like thank you like I just wanted this little girl, man

It's all because of the girl like I want this girl to not be thrown into a foster home and they never know But I give her a good happy ending and there it was and Spaller major sport or whatever the black thing in the veins was growing on this girl at the end of the movie Whatever so that's that happened and then you don't know what's going to happen I mean Totally I see a million percent and 99% of the cast I mean audiences listen to you going yeah, he's right

They do it. This movie so beloved. I feel bad for for saying any because I looked at all the readings on freaking letterbox And everybody has a five star so I'm like I know I'm gonna be very unpopular for see this but I have to be honest But let me tell you guys this I J a hundred percent know what you're saying I I agree with taking the trip and I agree with you know, it's not always gonna be realistic and that's fine like I You know, I didn't expect nor did I want Luke Skywalker to die in

In the first hour's or any of them Indiana Jones you brought up indie Mac in that movie I didn't want to see indie die. I love those characters. Those are characters. I enjoy this was a character Unfortunately, I was rooting against in the first five minutes. So how can you and on top of it He did two more two or three more things throughout the film that he didn't do anything to endure himself to me

I think they just painted him with a brush that was too strong. It's that they were trying too hard To to make him seem all of these you know They have all these insecurities and have all these you know things wrong with them that always gonna get a great hero moment But we already knew he was I knew he was gonna have a hero moment as soon as he survived that plane not landing on him

And I texted you guys five minutes in I go this is gonna be the lead. I'm gonna have a problem So I'm so I do love taking a ride and the movie's like is it doesn't have to be a hundred percent You know Factual or realistic I get that I totally do but I just unfortunately Just couldn't get into the character and he didn't do anything throughout the movie to to win me over And I'm just surprised that everybody else

Didn't see it the way I did because they didn't have to go those that what there was literally nothing to gain in that one scene when he told our not your dad They could a lot yeah really out and he wouldn't seem That was

Jerky for sure, but painting it too strong now. He's now he's mustache twirly He could be he could be cowardly Or something or in the beginning, but now you're making a mustache twirly to me I just it's too healy I anyway, I know him in the minority, but I I can't help that that's what I felt you know, I just But I I enjoyed when you hear my rating you might be surprised

So it's not like I'm crapping on the movie. I'm not one thing that might make Dave Zee feel better I don't know but Matt correct me if I'm wrong I only saw this movie once and I reviewed it with Joel and it's been a while now so Matt can remind me if Because I think Joel and I addressed this at the end because Greg brought it up and it reminded me that she has that the black Mark like the Vainey looking I believe Joel and I Interpreted that that she would have um

radiation poisoning or cancer so she was eventually gonna die so that that was like a a sad underpinning and undercurrents to the end of this That's how Joel and I read it. I believe I didn't even notice when somebody said that about the black Fane I didn't even notice any of that. I was probably so Seen read from the past five minutes that yeah, yeah, so didn't even pick up on that So did didn't we talk about that? Mac? Do you remember if we said that because I I think I think we did

We're thinking that that she's gonna die eventually. So there's a little melancholy. Oh Yeah, I did I did it should be him though not her I don't want her to die. Well, I love the other characters She's the only one I don't love but she got the exposure of that blast when she saved him right so you know But anyways, oh Greg since I was sticking my face in this the last day. I just wanted to throw this out at you

I'm sorry. I get it. I gotta tell you this. I gotta back up your buddy one one thing your buddy at work your boss So the legendary pictures slash monster verse American Godzilla movies from the 2010s Godzilla does have really fat huge thighs like and and I complained about the size of his thighs and the bottom half of his body back on

Horror movie podcast and Wolfman and dog shock. I think we're mad at me So I just wanted to give a shout out to your buddy because I think I think he's right about that that that godzilla looks weird to me how huge his thighs are

Yeah, just he does I go. But anyway, I try to put it off like He's as big as a as a spasery for his okay, you can have well I feel like I have an explanation for that Jason because like I remember seeing this because the other thing that I have done a lot with my kids for whatever reason is watch a bunch of like YouTube videos about like the different shapes and sizes of Godzilla's right

Mm-hmm and speaking of that Matthew Broderick one that one's kind of made fun of because he has these chicken legs, you know these very skinny You know legs and I think with that original Godzilla design for whatever reason did have these thick big legs and maybe the reasoning or like the

I wonder if the reasoning maybe it was just a costume thing and that's all there was to it But it could have been you know if this if this creature is You know 700 feet tall or whatever it is then it's like he can't stand on these scorny little legs He's got to have these thick legs and plus like and it definitely depicts it in this movie every step he takes I mean you're taking out so much because he's just got these thick powerful legs and so that I want to say that

2014 one was like a course correction from the Matthew Broderick like skinny-legged, you know J. Leno jaw You know

When the bad day Leno was so my was a Conan O'Brien legs was up on there. Yeah But that's but and this this Godzilla minus one does seem to be doing their best to kind of adopt to the You know as much as they can that original Godzilla design, which is why he has big you know It's got big powerful legs Okay, cool or maybe he's overweight Yeah, yeah, so I felt I felt this hits more of the original than it hits any other universe And I think that's another reason why I liked it, but

Does anybody else have anything else on this before we go ahead and just pass around the rates We've talked on this one for hours and hours by no chase schedule and and whatnot but Dave Z Mac if you said pretty much what you wanted to you already for ratings

Yeah, I think so I mean that the other thing I was going to tell you Jason is like my favorite moment and like it's I think it's so easy to make Jaws reference with Godzilla just like on a huge scale because even the even the legendary Godzilla's do this you know

But like there's this moment in in jaws that's like my favorite moment Which is where you have this overhead view of the boat and the shark you know because you can't really see deep into the water right unless it's like a few feet Then you can see stuff in the water And the first time the shark swims under the boat and it's close enough to the surface that you can see its body And you can gain for the first time the size of this thing because you can gauge it but you know

You can see the boat you can see that the shark that's my favorite moment in in jaws or at least one of my favorite moments It just it gives me the chills every time I see that and you get a shot like that in this

Movie that just makes me so happy. I mean in this case instead of this little fishing boat you have a you know This huge World War 2 you know Ship that he's swimming under but I just I always get such a good kick out of that you know And there's other Jaws references in this as well, but I just got excited about that Nice. Yeah, that was cool All right, well come in. I'm gonna go ahead and give it. I this is I was one of those days

They had the five stars. This is a 10 movie for me Although I will say watching it on Netflix the American dub version heard it for me personally So if you can get it I didn't realize Matt that they do have it in the original dialect I'll say watch it in the Original Japanese dialect and just if you can read and keep up some titles do it that way I just felt the American dub and made it really goofy made it really almost comical at times

So for me it took me out. I'd rather listen to it in the original dialect, but other than that it's a it's a 10 movie for me What say the So I try not to think about my score as I'm watching movies But this one I was like oh, this is like a 93 this is a 94 you know because I always think

You know, I don't like to think about it during the movie because there's always something that could happen at the Beginning in the end that would change it drastically Now which has happened to me before you know either drastically opera drastically down, but um But then you know that oh man, they started playing that Godzilla music and it was just done so perfectly that I was like love in life And I got the chills and I felt all that cinema magic that you're talking about Jason

And so like for me and this is the first time this has ever happened. So I actually hate the decimal point I don't know why I just do that's why I like doing mine out of a hundred But I was like Jason I almost did in this sort of driven you crazy almost did at 99.5 because that's what I was like feeling Was like I cannot do that. I've got a roundup So I rounded it up to a hundred so I'm right there with Greg at a 10 out of 10

And you know, you know for our intensive purposes. So that's where I'm at and I I want to own this thing so bad I put it with the rest of my Godzilla movies. I want to just keep building my Godzilla collection. So I love it I have the criteria and blueberry set the big book that has all of the Godzilla's and I got a bunch of the same goals

And I've got to shin Godzilla. I've got all these so that one definitely has to be added man for sure. So Yeah, that's so cool Yeah, Daisy what were you coming in on your rating brother and final thoughts? Uh Yeah, man. This is definitely one to purchase because it looks so beautiful. It's so well made and

You know definitely get it. It's it you know, it's everyone loves it You know, so I you're probably gonna love it too unless some of the things I said sunk in but But I still think it's great and it's uh, it's an 8.5 for me No, that's cool. That makes me happier. Yeah, we can live with that Dave Z Yeah, I was actually because we're just to talk about this last week or two weeks ago right Jason and when I saw Dave Z's like text messages

I'm sick. I can't talk about it. I that's what Joel. Yeah, I didn't want to hurt my feelings This is like I'm gonna go to bed so sad but 8.5 that makes me happier Yeah, see I'm not that jaded. I can still respect everything else that that's great about the movie, but that was just a Ah, if I could just get over that I could be where everybody else's but hell 8.5 is pretty good rating

I mean it's a good rating. Yeah Greg do you know um there or do any of you happen to know when are we getting a physical media blue ray version of this? Have we heard anything about that yet? They did announce something and uh Oh, sure, I had to look it up again, but I know Blu-ray.com. I know they had said something It's been a couple weeks ago, but I don't call I think it's supposed to be coming soon and yeah, it's supposed to have the

Version of it, you know, they have you know how they call the mad max the chrome addition. Yes, yes, they're calling this one Godzilla minus one minus color Yeah, and I think if you do get the blue ray it should include that from what I understand absolutely nice Okay, I mean you have to have that

Yes, looking like they got Godzilla minus one still book I know release date, but it's gonna be out of the UK so far and yes a lot of just they don't have anything you just release yet And blu-ray so yeah, I'm not sure okay Well, well, thank you guys for giving us a take-to review and this was excellent

Um, I had so much fun. Just listening to you guys talk about it and um anxious to hear uh Yo man Joel's thoughts after he hears what Dave Z has to say about all this because yeah, he was We recorded together before this and Joel was um glad that he was gonna run because he had that same apprehension that Mack was feeling So So So listers what did you guys give it Jay and Joel? Okay

Yeah, so this is a spoiler for episode 82 everybody. I gave it a 9.5 out of 10 I said must see buy it and um Joel was a 10 strong 10 wow see I told you I'm in the minority everybody's rating this Crazy high, you know, I'm in the minority. It's I haven't seen anybody give it less than freaking four and a half stars on On letterbox, so I'm like You know, yeah, like her all said she saw October release on this. Oh nice. Thank you

Thanks, world twisted temperatures. All right. Well listers if you saw God's ill minus one for you have let us know what you thought You man joe Oh Welcome to the horror lagoon here on Jay the deads new horror movies and if you're watching the video version mom and pop video shop So I am go man Joel Yeah, I feel like I probably should tell everybody that because no one knows but I am and I am joined by Somebody that really doesn't need an introduction if we're be honest Uh, Dave

Dr. Shock becker of let's see what is going at the straight obviously jaded its new horror movies. Yep Obviously landed the creeps absolutely obviously DVD infatuation absolutely yep those are the ones and my Those now those are the main ones. Okay, those are the main ones the other ones are a lot a little more hit and miss It's been a couple years for some of them. So it's yeah, those are the main ones Those are the old old old HMP old HMP which is yourself as well. Oh, yeah, yeah, oh

Yeah, David. I yeah, yeah, we've podcasted together for a long long time like off off and on but but David I have been friends since what like crap we met 2010 2010. Yeah, it was 2015. I sent a message into um what was it for gotten flicks?

Yes, you did that's how we and I think on Twitter like I was actually on Twitter and active at that time You know, it became Twitter and and I was like I can't take this anymore and I got off which actually if I'm being honest I feel like I was cool before everybody else because I got off like way before like 2020 happened and everything like when everybody else like uh screw this is insane

I'm like I was off. I think by like 2012 I was like, I'm done, but all that being said We are here today and I am here doing a horror lagoon episode assuming Jay puts it out He might after he uh Jay's gonna get to a place like all right Joe look shot on video horror And I'm gonna say Dammit Jay. No It rules and you need to understand why so I don't know how this is definitely not Joe. Yeah, that not chase bag. That's this is definitely not gonna be

He's back. No for sure, but I don't think look here's the way I look at this David It's funny is I you told me about this movie actually So I've been doing a real deep dive into S.O.V horror With me due to and I want to give a shout out to S.O.V. vigilante on it crept from the 80s YouTube channel Chris seaver The the filmmaker along with the Clint Kelly the filmmaker and Andrew Baltas who's also a I thought for Vanessa last name right Andrew and his he's a filmmaker actor and so all these guys

They make movies, but they and what I say they love S.O.V. man. They love them some S.O.V And they are very knowledgeable and they have like S.O.V. Pioneer filmmakers on and Oh actually they had on hold up the disc because I have it here in my hot little handy What we're covering today, which I probably should put on the bottom of the screen And for those watching the zombie army. Okay, put 1961 hold on

Yeah, it is not from 1961. That's called a typo kids it's actually 1991. This is yeah, it's 30 years 30 years later. Yeah, sorry Let me fix that so okay, I recite at 1991 And let's see this this version though was put out so I know J.R. Book Walter I initially put out this one. Yeah, I'm video actually with Tampa with that be and then this version though is a Saturn core Is a version I have is that the way you have Dave

When I have to yeah, it's a brand new one. I think it just came out this year and Saturn core The and I'm proud for I apologize for getting his name But the guy behind that boutique label which is in conjunction with vinegar syndrome Was also an episode of S.O.V. vigilantes and that was a great episode They what really in depth like that guy like as much as the core trio S.O.V. vigilante knows S.O.V. horror This dude is like the terrentito of S.O.V. horror in his knowledge base I

Like that the cover I like that the cover they used was when the book Walter came up And you can And the other side if you reverse it It's got the original one that the producer yes, which I'll do it's very messy Yeah, it's very busy is I think as a person who dabbled in collage

I get what he was going for I don't know if you can see that on the screen, but uh, but I definitely I'm I prefer this I prefer the uh, yeah It reminds me of um Was it uh So and uh put but if it would also I think predate Uncle Sam right because I was thoroughly 90s as well

But it was like maybe 90 was later 90s. I was really like 97. I think oh crap I thought I was gonna say 94.95, but all right, so they definitely pretty yeah, definitely we're not accusing the people behind the marketing of Uncle Sam for ripping off zombie army, but we are but we're also not not saying it right

Just kidding. So yeah, so we bought so dang basically got ahold of this I think is how this played out and you're like hey Joel Have you ever heard of the zombie army and like the name I think everything I'll see you've heard names Battered up if you have you're somebody group go or if you're somebody who is always been kind of immersed in this stuff for the last 30 plus years You know names, right? I never seen it and I just I it sounded vaguely familiar, but

Um when it means oh no, it's a SV horror movie blah blah. I immediately bought it and I was like Dave when it's time We have to cover this together I'm kind of okay, and here's the thing about me and S.O.V Growing up, I've always been a huge fan of regional horror which is what this horror lagoon thing kind of it shifted to J. Joe is we started off where we should be like weird culty campy stuff Band because jane doesn't probably want to cover that anywhere else So

But then it shifted more to like regional horror which could be shot in film that's fine, but it's like that kind of like DIY Plucky life let's put on a show kids kind of vibe kind of movies. You know what I'm talking about like really

Micro budget films. I would even argue take Texas chainsaw vascular would be in my opinion a regional horror film Even though it's gone on to be what it is It's you know It's become a classic it's an icon now, but yes, I wouldn't agree that would be that would definitely be regional

Yeah, most most regional horror movies don't get the exposure that that movie got and if they had who knows maybe some of them Would have been the next whatever, but those are the ones I really loved and then and I had always been Oh, where of S.O.V. and there was a couple of S.O.V films especially that I was a huge fan of ozone Jeric bookwaltors ozone have you ever seen that one Dave?

I own it, but I haven't seen it. You've got to watch it on DVD. Oh, you have to watch it Dave It is shot at S VHS and it is like one of those movies where Yes, it's shot in S VHS. So it looks like it was shot on S VHS But you could see because he's so good. I call it the citizen cane of S O V movies like it is

So well produced and it was like a $3,500 budget and that's 93 dollars. That's why like okay. We'll say it's a six or seven thousand dollar budget Yeah, it's not that much different and still in that much and it looks great the effects are great It's some early like CGI morphing type of stuff and it even then it has like a charm to it now that you know That weirdly it's like we're a lot more forgiving. I think that we would have been back then

But all it it's a good movie good story. I mean the lead actor is fantastic I highly recommend ozone you definitely got to watch that But because of that movie because I found that in high school Mm-hmm, and then there was other ones. I was always wearing like redneck zombies and some of the ones that were that actually showed up in A lot of video stores

I always remember being fond of it because it felt like something. Oh, I could maybe do that like is that's the vibe they give you It's like oh, right, yeah, I could do that And so Ultimately, I have I'm taking a deep guy. I actually dug out some of my own shot on video stuff Some of it was shot on VHS of S VHS some of it was mini DV My feature that I shot 99 was DVC pro, but it's even though technically that's a digital tape. It's still tape

I know it's an analog, but I still call it. I mean, it's still tape right still video. So I've been going back and then I got to meet Chris and actually as of this last weekend

I met Chris Clint Kelly who is his coach on the show. I met him in person, which was awesome him and his wife carrying shot out for them and Fantastic fantastic human beings But he is also I caught a sewer of this stuff and when I found their show They started like every end of every show they recommend like three different movies and I'm like I'm like you Dave how you'll be in the middle of a podcast and you're like just ordered it just ordered it Yeah, so now I have like 40 or 50 S O V titles

Yeah, yeah, I'm loving it man. It's just a lot of they're fun and the other thing I love about Christopher and company is they actually have their own Sort of like modern day S O V Label called Warlock and they starting a 2011 they started shooting Intentional like S O V type movies and they're planning on doing some more and they shoot like on S VHS or maybe mini DV But like that's the extent of it

And they're great because they're just fun. They're just Crazy wacky, but however, and this is the J of the dead caveat if you're dead serious About horror movies at all times and you do not enjoy the kind of goofy campy right Occasional nonsense and you can't enjoy that I would highly recommend you not waste your time anymore with what we're about to talk about Mm-hmm

Because with with with a lot of it with a lot of the S O straight. Yeah, but it's always like I embrace like I love it unironically

Dave like I said he's like oh look this crap. No, no no, no, it's it's like painting. I use this analogy Some people use oil some people use acrylic some people use watercolors some people use blood Some people use like Weird berries and cry like people find different things yeah to create their art And why is it that we had this attitude like because Resolutions have increased or up to what like 12k or something insane Why is it that we have to keep moving that up and not say you know what?

Okay, 24 what's wrong with grabbing a VHS camera and making something and capturing that aesthetic as almost like a paint

Like a painter's choice does that make sense? Yeah, it does I'm a harmony Karin did that in I want to say 2009 with his movie trash humper trash humper which I haven't seen but I've aware of Yes, and his my factor when he was presenting that I don't know what film festival was he said I named the trash humper's because I just wanted you to know what it was about up front I didn't want to you know, I don't want to be any

Misconceptions about what it is and within the first minute they're pumping trash cans Well, and that's so it's not a bait and switch you get exactly what you paid for if you're upset Then that's on you, bra And it was shot on video and it was edited on video VCR to VCR that is how that is You remember doing that you and I both had this conversation That is like shooting our videos what thing and I've got a couple I've got an SVHS deck now and a regular VHS and I caught you play to do that

I can't do it to myself. I can't I gotta go I can't I was doing it and then when I went to college They had and we had an online I was in the I was taking video production at the time and they had an online editing suite where I said oh my god This is beautiful. You put one tape your one tape here. You got this you got this unit in the middle where you can like fast forward

You can bring an image in it was beautiful. Yeah, I was like oh my god. I don't think I can ever edit VCR to VCR again Yeah, and then even that though by when you compare that to say like using a non-linear like a completely non-linear system like premiere or Dividchy or or any of these other what avid was I know a big one coming up in the 90s

It's like what you do that going back. I just don't think I have the mental band like I like the aesthetic And then the stout are driven aesthetic of video and mini DV and all that stuff The actual experience of editing tape to tape I remember being such a chore. I wanted to do it so bad The hunger was there that I was willing to tolerate it, but it was wrong man. It was rough I mean we'll complain about super 8 editing super 8 because it's so small. I think I would have rather done that

Take it to get you to break you just break the tape and you reassemble. Yo, I missed a shot. Oh, I could with tape It's like oh, I'm eight minutes into my movie and on minute three I screwed something up. I have to rebuild the entire thing. Oh my god It was it was it was it really was we did a video from my um my or I played on a deck hockey team and we did a video where we were doing like a retrospective of the full year

We went to the championship. We ended up losing the championship, but we went to the championship game and My friend and I we go into the online Uh, it's very soon. That's just in the summer So we had gotten permission to be in there. We went in there thinking about four four p.m They kicked us out at three a.m. And we had gotten eight minutes of stuff together. Yep eight minutes is all we got in that in that what was it?

Not 11 hours. I almost 12 hours. Yeah. My record. I think I went 19 hours straight editing. We did a short film I a friend of my made a short film and I helped him edit it It was during a tropical depression or storm and it was at my old high school

And I was already out of high school. I was in college at a friend and my I still connected to my Uh, dear video production teacher who had tolerated me through high school and and he let us go use it while the school was being used as a shelter Wow, and we were in the video production editing like all night all into the morning and I and that was the longest and we got We got it was like a seven minute long. I hear you're telling like a seven minute long short and we got the whole thing edited

And oh my god. It was Oh my god. That's all that was like that's so what is it happened with what happened with our video real quick is that the first eight minutes looked amazing The rest of it was a little slip shot. I can't do this anymore. No, we can't do what I was in there. Yeah, exactly You do get your point where you're like all right. No one's gonna stick around this long. Let's just right

Right. Yeah. All right. So we are covering as we said zombie army. It is the living meat the undead and operation Zombie storm you could tell when this came out night. You won yet desert store right. I believe it was actually wasn't this made Though in 89 89 it was shot in 89. Yes, we're most in 91 though. Yeah, good good

good. I'm in Delaware. Wilmington Delaware. Yeah, which I believe and we'll get into this and I want to give a shout out I may as you're listed to I started listening to the commentary yesterday because I had watched I we watched the movie like Months ago because we're gonna record this a while back and then things happen blah blah blah. I I decided I'd do the commentary and I got through almost all of I think I got like maybe 15 minutes left

So I got to almost something but I want to give a shout out. I believe I'm pronouncing his last name but Richard Mog Richard Mog that's yeah, he did he did analog nightmares the book analog nightmares. I don't know if you're You're listening to this Dave this book is great. I'm right. I really would like to pick it up. Yeah. Yeah, it's really good man There's interviews with my buddy Joel D. Wankoop is in here. Jim Ritter actually there's wine. Do look at that

Yeah, I think he's doing one of his classic. I'm a psycho Um, and yeah, I mean it's a great book, but Richard did the commentary for zombie army and I I think I'm in the movie too. He's a big fan of the movie and you know what I like about guys like him because I've seen him in other some of those two B kind of micro budget docs on VHS and things like that and he's it's I love guys like that because again It's not an ironic

Appreciation it is a sincere. Yeah, yeah I look None of us are like lacking in self-awareness like I don't end wood level where we think like this is high art I know they get you must think that but we but we get what it is and what they were trying to do and on that level We very much appreciate it And I and I love that I mean Richard's enthusiasm and knowledge that he contributes to that commentary

I think is amazing. It's really something I mean he did yeah, you know he he he gave the the um the producers name John Kellinowski. Yes, I believe he was the producer. It's listed as the director was Betty Staplesford And I love the story that Betty's the one who helped and get the actors together. Yes, he got actors from a high school to be in it No from a drama club in a high school to be in it, but he goes they're good at certain things But they're not good at soldiers

So he also got kids from an ROTC college. Yeah, that was smart. Yeah, that was the soldier And I think Betty Staplesford helped get that all together. Yeah, and so he gave her a director's credit She didn't know for a couple years. She had a director's credit on this movie

Because he did nothing to direct it. He he directed it and the screenplay was by Roger uh, uh, uh, uh, searchy or scarce scarce and that's also John Kellinowski that's a um, yeah, uh, a pseudonym for him So yeah, I will Richard talks about this was a pastry project because I guess John was in the military He went on January in 1969. He was in the army got out in 73 then in 81 joined the national guard

Yes, and it was during it. They were in 1988 going through an abandoned asylum. That is terrifying By the way, yes, and they were trying to see if they could use it as a training facility if there could be you know And his lieutenant that he was with at the time said boy This would be a great place for meka zombie movie because stuff was all over the floor There were still like pictures drawn by the inmates laying there. There were yeah

There were toys and kids areas. There were stuff for hanging on the walls It was like they just ran out of this building and so he thought about it and then he got them Not only did he did the brother project he shot it in that location. Yeah, it's really in that very location

He shot it. Yeah, and Richard makes that point that for as a micro budget filmmaker like how rare and and lucky you are when You could actually shoot at the location that it's spirited But I will say it's it's like great no budget filmmaking 101 if you know you it's like Elmeriachi right if you have access To a couple of key things and you write around those things You buy a large can make your movie because then you don't have to you know worry about oh where are we gonna find a asylum?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean it that really helps make the movie because you know Yeah, I was looking at I said I think this movie the budget for this might have been like if he got a capital one credit card A beginners with a $300 limit. That's kind of what it seemed like the budget for this movie was But what they were able to accomplish with that location and Effects we're gonna have to talk about all we're gonna

Yes, we're absolutely talking about the effects. So I what I also so here's the thing I and I feel like I've now watched enough S.O.V. horror like there's there's different camps right there's some Where I call it the Ray Dennis Stecler even though he didn't do a lot of S.O.V

You do some though. I think he I actually my buddy Terry if he's listening I think he could definitely point this out through I pretty sure Stecler did shoot some S.O.V But even his feature stuff there was a sense of like make it up as you go

All right, which I kind of love about him and I can kind of relate to on a level But I think that that it's up where like let's say a lot of your shots maybe aren't the greatest and the lighting is bleh You know, but you know, so it creates other problems when you kind of just make it up as you go You always have to approach it like a documentary. I think if you're gonna do that So but this movie in my opinion you could tell this so the being a pasture product project of John

I'm I'm not gonna try to butcher his last day. So I'm just gonna keep on John that he was technically the real like producer You said the director. I think was either editor as well. Did you say I think he I think he did add it every I don't I don't know for sure But I'm I'm I'm I'm I don't think you know No, I don't even do the effects. He did have outside outside help with the effects

Yeah, you know, but but I'm almost positive he edited the film as well. Yeah, yeah, Ed ultimately I thought in my opinion, you know, and you you had a video production background as well I thought this was, you know, you got to consider the time it's made the budget and that and and the and the

The paints that were used Okay, you don't compare the the aesthetic of this to like a Spielberg film that's just right Yes, and you don't compare the acting to the world Shakespeare theater and like that And I yeah, she throw that all out the window But you do take it at its own on its own merits

I would argue this is legitimately one of the better SOV films as far as how it's produced that I don't know how it's shot Yeah, because when when there's dialogue the camera static it's sitting there the scenes in the tunnel It's like hand held and it's it's sort of chaotic and things are going on

So he's setting the right mood all the time with this And there's it there's it energy to it as well like with the with the military's first arriving and the camera There's a actually a pretty decent like tracking shot that they got probably for another car

Like it was probably somebody holding it out of a car window on as the jeeps are driving And it just it had and the music either the music was great There's not like like metal and like rock like 80s metal rock and roll kind of music in this The music was the music was was by two group Hey, hello and kill toys. Yes, the music for this We'll get into that in a minute, but yeah Go ahead

It's okay. No, I'm glad you did Richard When he's doing the commentary made a comment that for a year's I guess he thought or a while okay We thought it was kill tots kill tots in there and actually it's funny. It's when he said I was like oh yeah Actually, I thought that's what I thought too when I first saw that when I first saw that I thought it was kill joys to be honest

Oh kill joy actually yeah, that's just too. Yeah, yeah, so I wouldn't ask okay I were you know we're we're twenty-seven minutes from not a shock anybody that's ever listened to us before knows that you It's gonna take us a minute to get going to the point of this

So if you I don't know do you want to read the synopsis? I don't know if you have like anything ready to do that with I I see I have this movie one of my books, but I did take a picture of the back of the cover Okay, and if you want me to do that I can certainly do that Okay, sure if you could read it because over the back of mine. It's so frickin small. I can't I can't

It's small for me to at least like an enlarge it here. Yeah, yeah Okay, the Pentagon has purchased an abandoned insane asylum as a training ground for the lethal ladies And a lead experimental female combat unit unfortunately two former psychotic inmates were left behind In the asylum deserted fallout shelter one is a shock therapy obsessed lunatic who fancies himself as a psychiatrist

The other and unhinged nymphomania hellbent on lethal seduction together. They wreak havoc by Capturing okay by Do you want to promise doing on your phone you loot by captain's Rogers and turning them into mindless Zombies by means of electricity trapped with training catacombs of the oldest asylum

The lethal ladies must rally their troops and do battle with the flesh ripping hordes of the living dead Yep, that's basically okay, well, no, well, it's it's not really it because the lethal ladies come in later

They don't play as big a role as this synopsis is saying they play in it. Yeah, yeah, I happen to really like the scenes with the lethal ladies Oh, I didn't do with mentioning and then and it sort of builds up the whole schlock exploitation things the women fighting and and even the nymphomaniac has a very small role in this like she's not she just in the background most Yes, yes, and then I will say the i of db is shockingly good and succinct

It's when the army takes over a former asylum. They discover that some inmates are still living in solitary confinement there and become murderous zombies now that though I pop with the structure of the sentence is it the The inmates become murderous zombies or the army does but the inmates are the only ones who don't become murderous And the way he does it by the way, I agree with Richard is amazing like he pretty much just takes like a frayed wire

He plugs it in and sticks it to their head sticks into them and then as they're dead and then it shocks them back to life And you see the skin burning and that's why they look like what they do. Yeah, it worked for Frankenstein Yeah, why would work for why wouldn't it work for them even if they don't have the bolts in the neck. Yeah, yeah The electricity. Yeah, so straight into the head. What are your basic because I I don't know how are you somebody who's watched a lot of SUV or is this life?

I'm sure you've seen a lot more than I have I've seen some but I've you've seen a lot more than I have and this is a very I'm gonna say well-made people are gonna roll their eyes. I'm gonna say all this stuff But for an SUV movie this is a we're very well-made movie and it's it's very well Structured I the the the effects are just unhinged. I mean yeah In the commentary he says that there's a head explosion in this that he says rival scanners and it kind of does

Yes, it's really good. It kind of does. It's really done very well. Yep now I don't know that the miller even with him being in a military I don't know that they got the military protocol quite right I don't know that they that dynamic quite right the fact that two guys while they're on detail run off to get high and Walk through the you know, yeah, but you know, it's just something I guess I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm sure it did happen

But so that was a little interesting and those guys just in general what and the the scenes weren't when they're dragging them in and it just Get so crazy when when when he's shocking these these truths and he's like bring more bring more and they go out

Kill more and bring them back and yeah, this the guy with the guts. Yes It looked it might not have looked 100% real, but it looked at least 75% real to the point that you're like oh You know, and they're pulling them out and then the guy then the one time is like you want guts Yeah, so he pulls some out of his mouth and gives me

Well, it's funny because you breathe out. So what I think I love about these movies is it's a couple takes What it's also re-reason why I like watching stuff on VHS especially Affect stuff from that certain era is that Because of the low res quality the low-fi quality I think it helps Hi, like if you try to watch something like this in 4k blah blah blah

It just you know me like I will first off. I think I don't know how the VHS aspect of it I don't even know how that would even sustain but let's set that aside for a second Let's say you know something was shot on like a higher-deaf camera and then put on like 4k It just it loses something you can oftentimes make out

You know, they it destroys the illusion because it could have been better hidden. It's like the argument that I know I remember here in um, uh, Matt Rawlings say years ago and father and son that he reads why he loves watching like friday 13th on a DVD or less Format was because you start watching like 4k you could see Savini's work. You could see that that happened to me I watched the 4k and it was the first time that the throat the Kevin Bacon throat stab looked

Less than realistic to me. Yeah, yeah, and it's because of the of the resolution. Yeah Yes, that's what that's a problem. Yeah, it is it is yeah, because they did consider that when they made it I get I feel like okay, just because we have it just because you could yeah, you know You should and certain things like well everything's gonna be on 4k. Well, I mean you can sure go ahead

But yeah, it doesn't have to be like I honestly couldn't care. I mean I just like I said oh four chainsaw massacre 4k It looks amazing That's fine. I get it, but I also don't care. I've got it on DVD right. We're right. I'm good with that I don't need anything more than No, no, no millimeter. I don't need it to be the because look I guess it comes back to the point of like Why like what am I gaining from that from the experience?

I can't watch it on VHS and get the same overall experience of it exactly And it's the same with with the zombie army. Did it need a blue ray? No, but Blue ray afforded them the opportunity to put some very awesome that's Jean here. Yeah, that's what I love I care about

Yeah, so Jarrah book Walter. There's a great. I will get into the extras. I'm sure But Jarrah book Walter has an interview on this where because he talks about picking it up for His his label as a distributor interview is mostly about him and that's what I like

That's what I liked about it. You learn a lot about him Yeah, a little bit about zombie army, but not much you everything you need to know about zombie army Watch the commentary you're gonna get anything you need to know about the movie and that the other Specials on this a video essay about a silo's yes Oobies and starts with psycho then goes to bedlam. Yeah, uh the other one is the Jarrah book Walter Didn't that public access show? I love that. I only got halfway through that

I watched you fit. Thank man. I love I maybe miss cable acts So we have cable access in a county over for bars, but we don't have it Mm-hmm because I swear actually we just uh, I just did a stream Tyson I did a stream for video tasties shot at the girth with vxs Mikey and we were discussing because your garruth is in England Or somewhere in somewhere in the UK I probably should assume he's in England, but he's somewhere in the UK and

Uh vxs Mikey. I think he said Oklahoma and it's like we were discussing like growing up with like cable access and stuff And he gets video tapes where people have recorded cable access or he's got these tapes with all that stuff on it And I missed that and look I know obviously YouTube is kind of like a lot of modern to cable access, but in a way I hear something about just it being just in your

immediate area your region. It's that regional thing. This was and this was this was the Philadelphia area I could have gotten this and I'm taking myself that I never that I never saw this Because I would have loved to watch this guy show. Yes, you know They they send your clips in you want us to play your clips send your clips in and then oh my god

The movie and so great. It was amazing. Yeah, and I love it to call like I don't know if the host was actually truly into horror and into these movies Well, but the host is the host is the producer of this one Oh, he was that's the same guy. Yeah, yeah Well, I'm almost I'm almost I'm almost sure it said that in there that he was the I could be fair. I literally watched that extra right after watching the movie and that was months ago So I don't remember

That the guy gave off actually now that you say that though. I was gonna say he kind of gave off this very like Um, I'm always like I'm gonna tell you say that kind of a military but like a like a very serious like

But he was a good he was a good like an old anchor host for that. Yeah, good host Like an old school TV host and he was like like we were saying he wasn't mocking He was no was genuinely Interesting to make total sense now And let me make sure because I feel like that particular cable access show I may have more than one blue ray with that is an extra, but it's like they're interviewing somebody else

We're the people on this one from wave productions. You remember they were okay So maybe I feel like I have that one on another disc maybe nice, and it's like it's like different people though Or it's like a slight different variation For the way The productions was one out of Philly they were working in Philly in New Jersey So like and they got like a ton of SUV stuff to if you want to go down that rabbit hole dude holy crap Wow, yeah, they got a lot of stuff. So

Up anyway, oh, yeah, that actually I love that so much day. Let's look like you brought that up and then the commercial the commercial Not commercial, but the with they're giving away the Jeep. Yeah, the bloopers spot the bloopers in the movie Yeah, right. I'm on the right. I'm on your receipt. You're right. I'll receipt sent them in us and you can win this Jeep

And they did give the Jeep to somebody. Yeah, so yeah, so just so yeah, so people understand those videos just listening It this is for the movie not for the cable access show the movie makers real

I'm sorry. Yes, yeah, no, no, no, no, it's okay. Just want to make sure we're clear on it that that there are and that's the other thing I appreciate right they did their best like this feels like a movie where people are really trying to make a good movie And but they go it's look it's a it's a low no budget Horrific and it's gonna it's with non actors basically you're gonna have mistakes

You're gonna have bloopers. So why don't we use as a marketing advantage rather than you know, let your ego make it like oh Don't judge our movie. No, no, don't get by the book. We made mistakes. Yeah, we made mistakes bottom. That's brilliant. It really is. It was great Yeah, it was great and send them in and how do you promote it? You get a girl wearing a zombie army t shirt and bikini bottoms There it is 80s and early 90s. Yeah

So let me think I'm trying to think if there's anything else specific. Oh, I mean we kind of we got we kind of talked about the effects We talked about the head blowing up the gods and everything but there are I mean just in general like and oh, that's what I wanted to say the Because you made the comment that the test is I they don't look like it's not like Even now you're living dead level like they didn't use like real right which or change hands on mask I give it's not so in a way though

I would argue that was brilliant because I'm sure it made the set a heck of a lot more pleasant to be on yeah Yeah, you know, but here's the thing I Perse I love I could conclude this about myself Dave. I love splat stick like I love Gory over the top, you know early Peter Jackson Sam Raimi level

Like x-rated Gore like I find with that I guess for me though. There's that line When it goes into being like hyper realistic and like ugly and like it looks really real like something It goes I watch the movie and sometimes I can appreciate the movie right

But I don't enjoy it you know any like I'm like okay. I saw it you know maybe I just like even like um like I love people Either love or hate basket case right what I love about basket case and it gets kind of mean towards the end Especially I get the love but but it's so kind of like it's so um Plastic reality so weird so out there and it's like with Donna the dead people gripe about the 70

The 70s Donna the dead because oh they use that three on blood. It's kind of got that Pinkish orangeish quality to it right right kind of love that though like I love that it yeah Yeah, because it could be as gory as you know you got skin rip in and guts coming out and it looks realistic

But there's that little hint that it's not and it's like it makes it more enjoyable to you at all Where has it been so hyper realistic that I feel like I'm watching a damn documentary on people being ripped apart Like you know, yeah, and I'm not judging if you love like legit honest and goodness like as realistic as possible

Gore go with God I good for you. I'd be safe for me as an enjoyment factor I enjoy evil dead two way way way more than I don't know give me a move like I haven't seen inside yet Because I've been able to bring myself to you but Or martyrs or something like that. There's a martyrs would be a good one. Yeah, that's a good one Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I can maybe what day watch it is a one off But I'm like I don't see myself like I want to watch that over and over again. Right, right

Another thing we're talking about the structure of this movie. There's a pretitle sequence where they put like this bait and switch on you It's in a classroom. Yeah It's talking and it turns out the guy who's talking is Jim the mental patient But he's presenting it as if he's a psychiatrist and he has a meltdown there first off. That was really good I was in college in 91 And a kid walks into that classroom wearing this blue and white

Large striped shirt with a collar. I had that same damn shirt that I used to wear to school I was gonna ask you because so now you want I was at high school still But I was gonna ask you did like that's the other thing because we you know, we were high school slash college age It's so cool when you see a movie or it's 80 89 to be fair, right? That was the 89. Yeah, but I had that shirt in oh

No, yeah, the only 29 90 I was in eighth grade. I was in eighth grade 89 90 and then like I just that is that there's something about the aesthetic Would you come across those movies from that era? I just showed my kids another S.O.V. classic called the wood shipper massacre which sounds far more grizzly than it actually is It's actually amazingly up

But again, someone who's worked with a wood chipper that sounds terrifying. Oh, yeah, but I would highly recommend it But it's it is not you watch the trailer and you'll get the vibe of the movie and sorry What it's it is not like what you think based on the title would it would be but it's a great movie I loved it for again as S.O.V. horror goes and In that again, it was that early I think lady is no the 80s still and it just the kids are by age from that time

I think it was around 88 I think is when it was and so I was about the same ages that kid in it you 12 13 And it's just like a little bit because like the clothes they wear I think at what point I did to say they like the shirt with a shirt

He was like I have that shirt. I remember that was like chess king. Was there a store called chess king or something like that I remember my mom got me sure at the mall Anyway, yeah, I was gonna ask you that because I knew you were in college about this time Yeah, oh, but when those kids came walking in I'm like these kids look like the kids walking into my classroom Yeah, they were there with what they're wearing and the hairstyles and everything

It's like yeah, this is and I was in college. I was in college in in 89 I took a year off and no 89. I was in 88 89. I had taken a year off in the 90 on I was in college again And that's when I went into the video production program. Yeah, and yeah, you can you know I have a video that's out on YouTube that I had directed For our cap G and and you can see the kids in that all look like the kids in this in this move

Yeah, yeah, because they are they're just kids that they brought in these are not actors These are kids that they that they said okay, we're in your classroom Just walk in and we're gonna have this we'll get some close-ups of you and things like that you can tell that's what happened also, let's

Well the lethal lady for the music I got to see something about the music that song that they did for the lethal ladies Yes, I put that up there with the theme from killer clowns from outer space as well the rest I heard I thought that was a make was it ties right into the movie

Yes, the ladies that going against the zombie are zombie army in the you know in the tunnels and all the stuff You're watching it and it's singing about that and I thought wow that's really good not all the music matches what's going on Yeah, it matches the tone, but it doesn't match that that move that song was written Specifically for that scene yeah for that for that moment and I thought it was handled really well throwback to

horror movies, you know as as he as the commentary said that the opening of him killing his sister that sort of Halloween You get that scene where the two soldiers are walking through and they're finding the toys and they got picked up the toy chain song Goes to the solace family and go Yes, yes, I thought was really cool and I had picked up on it even before I heard it in the commentary when the women When the lethal ladies are in that Jeep going down in the tunnel. I said man that's alien

Yes, tell that that's right on the one girl has has like some kind of device. She's holding like a tracking type device And it's straight up aliens dude. It's absolutely absolutely it is there's nods, but it does it feel like no No, no, it's not taking anything from any of those it doesn't this is not a Romero zombie movie and it would have been very easy to make it a Romero zombie movie. Yeah, this is this is not like the dead

Coming up out of the ground now. This is making the dead. This is a guy specifically creating the dead He kills them to do his bed to do his bidding. Yeah to do his bidding So this is not Romero's dead at all. They don't even look like the remeber plus they talk He they feel pain. They they salute they like Bob they salute

So it's very it's very different. It's it's a very different And then what happened now of course in this type of movie the lethal ladies when when the zombies are going after one of the first things They do is tear off the top because that's what a zombie would do before eating I guess Yeah

Doesn't do it to anybody else doesn't do it to the guys, but the women they their tops have to come off correct correct Oh, but the other thing I wanted to talk about at land that outside scene that seems like they shot at a different time Where the guys hitchhiking and he's picked up by the by the brunette Yes, they hit it off and he says oh, I'm heading back to my unit. They gave me a pass because I got a dear John

Letter well, I don't know that that ever happens. I don't know if they're gonna say Oh, you're going for broke you Oh, take a week to go in the back. They do that now Dave. They would have done it then Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah So so then he meets her she's coming on to him like that that minute and she goes Oh that place where you're at that I know it and I go there sometimes and And she like opens up her shirt the scene between them and there is a sexy between them and there is

An nudity that is that is almost soft core. I know I was like the way their hands are moving and everything and and I don't know if you didn't hear the the commentary. Who do we say? Richard bogg. Yeah Richard bogg He makes a point. He says who shot this he goes did do these two where they like actual

In a relationship. Yeah, they almost seem like they could be like amateur adult actors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah There's no there's no hard core anything in this but no this I mean where they're the way it's shot And the way these two are performing and Richard bogg's like I want to know who shot this he goes if if if John shot This good for you man because you did a great job

Yeah, shooting the love scene and these two actors like really pulled it off and that's another interesting way that they kept it going Because then there's a mistaken identity at the end. Yeah, yeah That's dark like the way that plays out. That's really It really is it's like it's the darkest scene in the movie actually Yeah, yeah, there's no humor at that point

No, humor is going and that scene, you know, that's that's just straight up. That's just straight up horror Yeah, and and and I think that's the other reason why I'm we like this can work really well too is when they they do find that balance Right where you have a lot of humor and camp and it's over like you have to work with what you got you know your actors Are not going to be you know master of testions, you know, okay, so you work with what you got but then you can out

You can kind of work in moments, you know like that which which adds to it But yeah to your point. I remember I went that plate. I was like okay. What an expect in that Yeah, oh no it goes on a while too It's like it's like a 10 second you know Shot Nern bed. No, no, no, that thing is all stretched out. Yeah, yeah

Yeah, I loved the idea of the battery acid. Yeah, I think I think John the the director producer editor writer loved it even more because it lasted two musical saw two songs Yes, the killing zombies, but because you saw every single one of them They're after effects of of the battery acid. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, he's like we paid for this effect by God We are gonna see every single bit of it and and it works. It is gross

Yeah, it is really disgusting. Yeah, and I will say this and I totally agree with With the guys at SV vigilante about this they've talked about running time with SV horror like the shorter the better Like typically that's the key you want to keep it as close to an hour That's possible. You know what like you start pushing an hour and a half dude You can already pretty much assume you've overstate your welcome by at least 15 plus minutes

Um, this is this is 82 minutes long. So it's glad I would argue they probably could have cut down on the The part you're talking about with the the reveals of like every single body

And it also cut out enough. Yeah, and the sex you could have probably been cut in half Time for time Those two things I think I'm sure most of the people renting it back then are glad they didn't cut down on the sex Fair enough fair enough But but I will say that had they done that this would have been more like a 70 to 75 which had been perfect Yeah, yeah, but but it's still it they still cram a lot into that 82 No pun intended no pun intended about cramming a lot in the sx. Yeah

But they they this movie never really slows down. I mean there's never you're never sitting there going Yes, you're right. They could cut a few a few of the Gore scenes and the sex scenes. When do we ever say movie? Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's true actually that's a very fair point. It's all right We say well there's a bunch of extraneous exposition here Yeah, and a bunch of yeah, even that opening scene which goes on for a few minutes

It's great because it sets up and it's sending flashbacks. You're seeing flashbacks of this guy doing these things So it's not just him talking. Yes, there's giving you other things in there as well. Yeah, yeah 100% agree. All right, so for me I feel like with I hate rating these because it's like what you I

Rating them. It's always tough to do because somebody who doesn't know so V is gonna come back Is that you gave this a nine and that's yeah, I'm rating this as in the world like within the bubble of So V I'm not rating this based on Compared to fill in the blank of more mainstream horror or fill in the blank of something that was produced for millions of dollars

I'm sorry. I don't think I personally find that to be extremely unfair And almost like a borders on being a bad faith type of argument to me like it's like you're yeah, you've got to acknowledge No, I five or ten thousand dollar budget, right with amateurs is you just Automatically have to assume it is not gonna be on the same level and to say well

He within the don't make a movie. Well, what kind of attitude is that like what kind of a Politarian like anti-art attitude would that be if you said don't make art because you can't afford to make it like the big boy So the only people should make art are the elitist assholes with millions of dollars got it

I don't subscribe to that. I subscribe to the I love it with people have the balls to say I got five grand in my name And I'm gonna go take a camera and get my friends together and make some because you know what most people do They say a bunch of crap and then they don't do it and I'm one of those people like that's what I'm saying

Yeah, me too. We've all done we've all done Yeah, but the difference is I like to think and this is just me giving people people like me a pass is that I also try to acknowledge that and say That is why and you'd be fair Dave you you and I both have made stuff you have written stuff You and that's the other thing too. It's like if you're somebody who's made even if you made just and I say just it's still a major thing a podcast

You're so he's done a podcast. You've made a thing and you put it out in the world Which means you're opening yourself up to criticism and people you know being Dix and Right and and this is even on another level to me because It's it's it is personal especially if it's like this like a passion project and you put it out in the world

And yeah, you want to make money off it. I'm sure John had ulterior motives like oh, I'd love to make a buck But I don't know this feels like something more than that so for me It feels like the love of it. It feels like the love of making a movie it really does You get the feeling that this guy had so much and even the way he would send it to bookwaltor And he gave away the Jeep and find our errors and all this stuff

This is a love of filmmaking. This isn't just hey, I want to become a millionaire doing this I don't think he was unhappy doing what he was doing in the national guard and all that other stuff This is just I love making this movie I wanted to do it and I want to put it out there and I want as many people to see it as possible and how can I do that?

So for for you cave This is J show if this wasn't we weren't doing this as a side bit for J show I'd say rated as a recommend or not recommend kind of thing But we're gonna give it a number in the world of the bubble of S so be like let's just assume if you don't like as a V You'd give all these a one and we'll just move on. Yeah So exactly anybody who loves S so be but even if you gave most S so V a one

I think you'd give this one a two and a half. Yeah. Yes, fair enough So what about for you for me and I'm not I think you've seen more S so be than I have But just the limited that I've seen I would give this I'd say an 8.5 I'd given it 8.5 and say this you know If you were an S.O.V fan and you have not seen this you definitely definitely need to pick this up This is almost like one of the staples I would say now. Yeah. Yeah, I

I'm basically right there with you. I'm an eight. This is an eight for me. I love it. I think it's great I feel like anything ain't above I'm sorry the blue ray is worth picking up. Oh and the blue ray for the for the for the feature Yeah, the blue ray is a 10 especially for the futures The the commentary Richard Bogg does is so great that that cable act is it's like the full like It's like somebody recorded it on VHS. It's in that one long. It's in that one long show

Yeah, and they put the whole thing. It was so wonderful And they've got what else was on it? I'd try to remember there was a video essay the video essay on on a sidelums and movies where it's It's yours was psycho and then yeah, it's it's isolated music. They've got Archive content. I'm trying to read this is such a small print on the side. It really is small

Yeah, I know. I think yeah, I'd recommend this. I think it's a so not only was this available through Saturn core Which you go to vinegar syndrome and see if they still have it through the I know we got I think this is also on Amazon Right is where we got it from probably yes. Yeah, that's where you had told you sent me the link for it And then I think Jared book Walter

Has a version he sells as well that I assume has the same extras. I don't know that for a fact though I don't know either yeah, but he's also that's one of the other

Oh, that's it. Yeah, in a lot of outlaw. Yes, where they talk to Jared book Walter But it's really about him and video which I love the zombie army is maybe 5% of that entire And book Walter about Jared book Walter Yeah, and doctor not to do the whole name dropping thing, but we actually got to do interview with him Oh, just just a little while ago here on the channel because he has his first movie in 20 years that he directed Called side effects may vary

Then he made with James L. Edwards, which is a guy who was involved in a lot of his earlier stuff and And so we had him on there and I'm Jones because I I contributed they did a Was it a Kickstarter? I think it was Kickstarter. They did a you know Like but it was like after the movie's done by the blu-ray and get all these extras And one of the things I bought was he has his sick he re-released his six pack. It looks like a happy meal

It's a six pack of shot on video movies. He made that are all together The dead neck the dead neck store is one of them. I'm a super eight. Oh, that's film. Yes Yeah, no, but it's like it's it's chick boxer Um, there's okay. I'm I'm bringing forting all the names now It's like a lot of the look really low budget like 500 $1,000 budget kind of movies all packs with X that's why I love about book waltz or so much

Is he get that what you said earlier? He puts these things on blue rays. He keeps I think the the ultimately the he doesn't really Upr as the movies when we had him all we know about that This would look just as good as the original video what you get on the blue ray as far as the movies look It looks like if you bought the video you'd get the same you're not gonna get the the high res in the movie But you don't want I prefer that yeah, yeah exactly because I don't know either

There's I've seen some stuff on YouTube where I think people took like a VHS copy of an old movie and wanted to fix Makes it like somewhat watchable and so what they'll do is they'll put it through AI And they'll and they'll do that like thing where they up res it and it's like it smooths all the pixelation So it takes on this weird almost animated quality. It doesn't look work

No, it doesn't work. I love this You watching the old the old DVDs of a movie from the 70s and it looks like it was shot on video because of the way they did the Resonning like well that kind of takes away from the yeah from the look of it That's when they had to start doing green have they start putting green into it again Yeah, yeah exactly so I basically think that what I love is the idea of like hey

And that's what I've been loving about getting all of these like um, we're now of course you don't bring farting all the names but like Saturn obviously make flicks

Um, uh, come on Joel. You could do this television Visual vengeance There's just so many of these I'm sure they're so by forgot that they're nor these boutique where they focus primarily on like oh not Exclusively in some cases, but primarily on like SUV Yeah, you know very no budget type stuff that would have otherwise never seen like it And they don't just put out the movie man

It's the extras if you're an extras fan. They this load you up And that's and it's and what and the great thing is it's only a little bit about the movie

It's associated to the movie but the extras will teach us so much more. Oh, it's about about SUV about everything And that's that's that's one of the great things about it I just I'd love digging into these extra likes I gotta go and finish the second half of that That cable access show I only got through the first half you watch it and you started recording yeah Yeah, and it's great because that's also fun because like the people they're having oh they're just

Regular people like they're just yeah, you know tell these are people with day jobs that are just doing this for fun This is not there. This is not their day job. This is not their day job and and I just profoundly appreciate and I look and I get it's not for everybody like that that's the key all all my

Rants aside, I do not judge somebody who doesn't like this stuff. Like get it. It's not for everybody But if you are into this you do have an appreciation I also think too if you come from like us like you did video back in the day And you understand what went into that and you just it's just there's a nostalgia aspect to it. I'm sure as well The video did the graphics that they used in that and the clips. Yes, that's ECR graphics

Yeah, this let me even like computer graphics. No, we are we I used to use the Amiga when we had our own Oh, yes, we did in college That's straight from yeah, because when I would record things I remember recording like portions of the Gulf War back then Yeah, I would sometimes put graphics over it as to what it was and it that was those were the graphics Yeah, graphics in these movies are straight off of a VCR They're not off of anything The video on it's like title makers

You remember those like you remember you had like the look like that kind of vibe where they would have just very basic effects You could push well I was able I was able to do it through my Ramona my VCR and and looked exactly like like like Hello, these are fancy pants Yes, well, no, I Hey, this is this is my father my father had to be cutting edge on on technology

That's all I know you told me that for everything. He's ever owned. Yeah, our first VCR was $2,800 Whoa Yeah, and then he got then he got a video camera that was $3,300 that connected into the VCR You had to walk around with this thing. I remember that was huge. I have one of those by the way I have I bought one and I'll take my neighbor. That's one of my neighbor gave me it's it's an old one It's one of the tube care boys where you have to hook it to an external VCR

The cut of these are like it came. Yeah, it was a two-piece the VCR the channels and then the recorder You took the recorder off you put the plug in you walked around where the where the camera was uncomfortable As hell oh, yeah, and that was the first one and and yeah, he would just he didn't care

He when he got a car in 1981. I think he paid a grand to have a tape deck put in they started putting them in for free Yeah, it's not too many years later Yeah, but but I remember riding around with him And I got to know every 50 song ever made because it's pretty much every tapy owned yeah But yeah, so so we would have that technology he would buy that stuff just to have that technology Joe my mother crazy. Oh yeah, cuz you know because it then like 10 years when it's obsolete

You could get it a broad sale for 10 bucks. Yeah, he got he got a he got a portable phone in 85 wow And the problem was you had to run into the backyard and put the antenna up to hear anybody on it

Because you couldn't hear anybody anybody else. I remember my mother having an umbrella over her head in the backyard talking to her sister in California She walks in the the screen door shuts it looks and I finally goes put the phone with the cord back now And that was the last we ever had the the the the the the the cellular phone the mobile phone whatever was it was huge Had an antenna that would look like a walkie-talkie Yeah, yeah, I remember you know, it's like you look at Wall Street

It looks like the one that Michael Douglas is out on the beach talking on it looked just like that except I think the one we have was even bigger than that one and then probably not even as good. So yeah, your dad your dad It was like Rand peltser in Gremlins with his inventions except he bought like he bought Yeah, he bought on and then your poor mother has to deal with the repercussions of his technological interests

That's a yes, so how much was that? Oh not that much, but she's the one who sees the bill so yeah It's like not that much well. Whatever kids is now going to starve. So thanks for that honey, right? Yeah, all right So zombie army gave it I both say definitely work of it definitely pick up the blu-ray if you're into the stuff

Uh-huh or just even if you don't love SUV, but you love extras and things like that the blu-ray is all you But the movie is all but I say the movie is also worth it for some you know Even if you're not into SUV you will find some things in this movie that you're still going to impress you at least You're still going to be impressed with it with with the music with with the with the effects and The way that they have the the first scene and the last scene are so creative

Especially when you consider it's a zombie movie what you're getting in that in that first segment and then the last sort of soft core segment It's very different But yeah, so this is this is it's a it's really a clever movie in a lot of ways You know, it's just clever without the great actors to sort of you know But the acting is what the acting is because you're getting you're getting people learning the craft at this point

You're not getting anybody who's even been on stage. This is kid who are and and and you know I've been who are just learning the craft the fact he got high school kids makes it a little bit Uncomfortable when you think about the top speed and rip off, but well, I I question I wonder if the last two the last two The guy I'm woman at the end and what I said for adults or they're adults Yeah, I think they might have been like maybe amateur adult actors that wouldn't shock me basically

No, the way they pull that scene off, you know, then that's how that's how it that are they were actually like boy for the girl for it He's like hey, I think and that's what that's what that's what that's what you said in the commentary

Yeah, they might have actually been a couple, yeah, and then and that there was obviously into exhibition I to believe that the pull top lethal ladies parts was also He did get a stoldier level people like they are GC but they didn't all look they didn't look like high school kids I think the high school kids might have been at the beginning and the high school kids, you know Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

All right, my friend. Well again, thank you so much And if you're listening to this on Jay the Dead's new horror movies, uh, we will kick it back to Jay and Company, but uh, I think the great doctor shock backer for being here and for reviewing The zombie army from night blast 91 you got to see it again, and I'm happy I did Post-production note by the way Gilman Joel mentioned Ozone a film that he's very fond of well in case you're new to the podcast

He reviewed Ozone during his horror lagoon segment in episode 10 of Jay the Dead's new horror movies I recommend you check out that review Greetings horror fans. Good as I Dr. Walking Dead once again. I find myself Alone in a tent in the middle of the woods At night. So I'm doing what I did last year if some of you may remember that my church has a As a kind of a week long camping trip retreat for the young women The teenage girls and they like to have some some men present

I don't know. I guess they think I know how to set a bone or do do first aid or something Uh, I like to think I'm here to protect everybody because of my vast knowledge of uh folkloric monsters and the ways to defeat them Although if uh if we encounter sesco watch up here, I don't know what I'm gonna do anyway But like last time I thought it would be cool in these these nights to watch something scary or potentially scary And to report Uh by way of review and also response

Wooo. So um because I am off the grid I am limited in my screening opportunities. I really wanted to rewatch the ritual The ritual is one of my favorite out in the woods Scary movie that has you know folk horror and all creepy monster and all the great things

Uh, but um I tried to download it. I thought I had downloaded it from Netflix and it is not appearing in my device So I'll have to try to get that for later in the week So instead um, I do have some recent new right 2024 films that I'm gonna give a shot So I thought I would start here on my first night with exuma so this is not a lost in the woods film unfortunately But I am hearing good things about it lots of bows about its quality uh and scare factor I don't know if the title is

Uh has anything to do with exhumation so I don't know if we're gonna be digging up bodies here. I exume exume I don't know if it's short for exhuman, but as you know, that's up my alley Uh, honestly, I've kept myself pretty um pretty unaware of this film so I don't know what I'm getting into So I'm gonna give it a shot and I will report back So wish me love Okay, wow finished watching exuma So I was right um it is about exhumation in a very cool way um

um yeah, I like this idea of digging up graves and uh the mysteries that are found under the earth and it's a Korean film and it's steeped with lots of Korean myths and legends I but I'm mostly assuming because I'm not super well versed in Korea which uh this film really makes me wish I were

So this idea of the yin yang this idea of the elements these are all really central um components to this narrative and futillary rights and the respect of ancestors and ghosts etc etc The one of the the key features of this film is the the historical trauma and tension between Korea and Japan uh of which I know very little I I've kind of vaguely familiar with this idea of uh back when Japan was a little bit more of an aggressive

um dynistic imperialistic country and uh this idea of Korea as a as a the peninsula and then the films kind of reveal this idea of Korea as the the tiger that's got a hold of the continent You know just lots of lots of really cool imagery um I'm sure a lot is being lost in translation unfortunately

There is also this sense of the x human uh so I don't know if that just worked out as uh accidental double meaning but I I do like this idea of the the x human monster there is a great monster in this film um more than one Really uh if you want to break it down and that's that's something that's super cool and so

Yeah, I didn't get scared watching it. I was really intrigued and I was captivated because it plays like a TV show almost like a two-part TV pilot because um we're introduced to this really cool cast of like I don't know kind of like ghost hunters but but this this group that comes together to work

In regards to the dead and the on the the restless dead and I've always been fascinated by this idea of the restless dead But to keep it to keep a brief um so we're introduced to a shaman pair um they're kind of like siblings almost uh impression is that there's there's the head shaman is This wonderful woman who's very charismatic and then uh kind of her foster or stepbrother

Who is is also a shaman? I really like it because she seems to be a dancing shaman and he seems to be a musical shaman And they kind of work together to um exercise ghosts to to banished demons Uh really cool team there and and as they're introduced You really get this sense that they've

They've had a series of adventures, you know this sense of we're coming in on an established duo Well, they know another duo Which is an old Older guy who is a geomancer and I just really um was attracted to this idea of the geomancer Whose his job is to find

He's kind of like Feng Shui for the for the whole planet He is invested in and helping people know where to bury their their ancestors their loved ones How to orient the graves, but he also seems to be working in construction and and uh city planning and all this cool stuff and He's he's kind of the the established lead. I I'm getting the impression. He's a well-known actor a venerable actor in korea And his partner is

Totally mundane. He's a funeral director. He's a Christian funeral director. He's a little goofy and and kind of is the The comic relief in a way so they have a partnership and then these four come together for this kind of big job And that's where it felt like a pilot to me where we're introduced to these These two duos who have a history together and or have these very particular skills and talents and they have to come together for this task

And and they do and and so it kept reminding me uh of scuwi du in a lot of ways right uh graver But still this sense of a team it reminded me a little bit of kind of an older group of Korean Scoobies like you get in buffy the vampire slayer

He's with the so you know the funeral director guy. He's like the zander harris He doesn't have any particular mystic powers or forces, but he's a he's an important part of the team So yeah, we have the two shaman the geomancer and the funeral director and they're going to Write some rungs and fight evil and and the reason I said it feels like a two-part pilot is there's really a A an episode the first hour is a story and it resolves with kind of a long fade to black

And a little bit of a pause before resuming the story a little bit later and we find out that there's you know There's a second part. There's something else. There's a there's a bigger a fish to fry There's a bigger evil to contend with and I was just I was really intrigued and captivated the whole time And by the time the film was over I really wanted to spend more time with these people I

I like them. They're they're interesting. They're charismatic. It's a kind of supernatural World that is familiar, but still unfamiliar to an American audience Uh, and and I just want to know more about it and and all these kind of myths and legends. I I reiterate I like the monster a lot There's some really cool stuff with ghosts and um

The supernatural and yeah, so I found it creepy in moments. I found that there's some really effective Stuff at night Sometimes it's a little dark To see all the detail of what you're supposed to see But still there's some really really creepy stuff and there are pigs

So if if people have been following New horror movies we've kind of become obsessed with the idea of the pig the daily pig and of course jesus session with pig headed horror And this film does have pigs So I was able to get my daily pig in by watching xima So so yeah, that's a little kind of a mini review of this new horror movie 2024 uh, I'm sure Others of the gang have seen it maybe by the time this airs There have been a larger review of the film and I'm late to the party again

But I liked it. I probably geez. I'd probably give it a eight out of ten Um into entertaining a little mysterious Fort because of the cultural translation I'd love to to know more about that but um really a solid film really well made So there you go

It's available for streaming and I encourage people to check it out This is Gilman Joel and you're listening to j the dead's new horror movies the baserck baboon of horror podcasting Thanks to Ron Martin the following review contains spoilers for the baba duck 2014

All right, and j the dead here and I am joined by Ron Martin and davz whoo You two you know, I feel like here's what I feel like When you two are in the ring with me like this I feel like um What's that shortest uh referees name and wwe davz do you remember that little short guy

What hebner back in the day. Yeah, they easily feel tiny and he always gets thrown around anyway I feel like I'm in here with Andre the giant and big john stud and I'm in the middle getting smashed and no one listening knows that anyone you're talking about right now All that's true Because those are

That's truly sad. Okay, so here we are to review a uh a brand new horror film. This is streaming on shutter It's called you'll never find me Side note I hate title titles like this only because I can never remember them Okay, do you guys have trouble remembering this title and others like it? Um, I did not have trouble remembering remembering this title. I am trying to figure out. It's important to the film though

Okay, okay, good. I think I know it, but this was uh co-directed by uh Josiah Allen and Indiana Bell Indiana Bell also is the writer it starts now related to me by the way I'm right right this starts Brynn then rock and Jordan Cohen basically basically a two-ander and um, you know it opens The premise no spoilers is this dude is older dude Patrick he's sitting in his uh is mobile home during a storm

Let me tell you this this Patrick guy he's got he's got it down. This is a good night for me. Oh, yeah Storm going. Yeah until all these music. Yes, and a couple of whiskey in front of me. That's right

Staring in the space. That's right and then of course he gets a I'm not at the door and it's uh some young woman who is soaked in the storm and she wants to come in She needs help any lets her in and so and then whenever I am sitting in my table with the thing at whiskey that never happens I'm gonna tell that right now that's that's right Damn it. Yeah, so this this film is an hour and 40 minutes and um, I'll just put out there

Well, I'll wait before I start being obnoxious, but I'm just want to warn you. I'm gonna be a little bit obnoxious on this I don't mean to but I want to start with Ron Martin Just general thoughts what did you think of you'll never find me Jay you're always obnoxious to me buddy. Thanks So I don't think that this is a terrible concept. I don't think that it's a particularly unique concept It's uh, you know pretty basic core trope. I think it's a well done

Basic core trope. I think this film would have benefited from being Part of an anthology instead of a full length film Mm-hmm. I think if this was tightened up and some stuff in the middle cutting out cut out

Um, that'd be over my tongue here if some stuff in the middle were cut out or shortened. There's a lot of like super intense moments And I'm using my air quotes here That are just intense because the film director the filmmaker decides to linger on a shot for 30 seconds when we really don't need that I think the intensity is portrayed appropriately Uh, this could have been really good as a short again not reinventing the wheel here

I don't think I do think it's kind of cool that I think that was Dave Z mentioned earlier Uh, in the evening that he had seen several theories on this online. I think that that is Up for grabs like you could you could put your own theory to this and I certainly have my own theory to this But overall um, I don't think this is poorly done. It's a one. It's obviously like low budget. It's it's one set

It's two actors. Well, there's I guess there's a couple more near the end But they don't do much that could have just been people who worked on the film that didn't have to actually be real actors So could have been a little bit tighter for me Uh, I'm okay. I'm okay with trophy stories as long as they're done well Uh, so that's where I stand on you'll find me. Uh, you'll never Never find me. You'll Yeah, yes, you'll never find me. You'll never remember the name of this

I guess that proves your point. Yes Okay, so Dave Z. Uh, what are your general thoughts Tell you I had this exact same Situation with a movie I watched last year the exact same thing and first and foremost and I'll tell you what that movie is after we discuss it more but I

This is my kind of movie because I And you've heard me say that's on the show before it is a small Cast it is it is just two it is people together in a room and somehow they manage To have me glued to my screen for an hour straight where I Am seeing something called suspense which I appreciate so much because it's such a rare art form these days And I'm watching this movie for an hour Waiting to see what's gonna happen. Is it gonna be this person? Is it gonna be that person?

Who's gonna do what when's it gonna happen? We know it's going somewhere There's a storm outside and there's a storm inside the sound design is great It is shot and lit great all the technical aspects are great the acting is good

I am completely on board for what's going on for an hour and then I get lost In the third act which is why I cannot wait To watch it for the second view cannot wait knowing the outcome and knowing what I've seen and then going online and reading other things and different theories

I can't wait to watch then again Front to back, but I want to say this There are two movies I want to talk about besides to compare one of them is barbarian And I loved the first act of barbarian was my favorite stuff of that entire movie It was more suspense. It was uncomfortable stuff. You're something is bubbling under the surface

Who's gonna be a bastard if anybody what's gonna happen? What's gonna go to I loved that about barbarian Wasn't as crazy about everything else in the movie still enjoyed it But that was my favorite part of that movie and it's so rare to see that in this movie

Was like a masterclass intention for an hour for two acts. I was so on board And then I'm gonna talk about this other movie from last year that I thought was on the way to maybe being my favorite movie of the year Same thing was going on with this the movie last year was called no one will save you and I was so on board

For the first two acts in love with everything. I was seeing on my screen And then the third act and then the ending and it left such a bad taste in my mouth and the thing is there's no misinterpreting Really what happened in the third act and maybe a little bit at the end the final but where this movie There could be misinterpreting and I really want to see it a second time the first movie no one will save you I think I still gave it a seven or I think I gave it a seven

But I ended up calling it my most Disappointing movie of the year because of how much I was loving it for the first two acts So it was a very similar thing here But I didn't get angry in the third act and the end like I did this one actually I quite liked the end And I do believe that you'll never find me is a complete reference to what I believe is happened at the end of the movie without getting into spoiler This is tough to talk without spoiling But I'll leave it at that

I really really enjoyed the first hour where I was like I was glued to the screen and then Then I got confused and then I was like who that's kind of typical. I wish it would have been something else But it did enough that I want to go back and watch it again. Okay. Thank you, Dave Zine And I actually agree with a lot of what you said in terms of like the great performance and

The way this is shot. I mean technically this is a great looking film and it's executed well Now I'm just gonna yeah, the writing is good I mean the dialogue and stuff is very smart But I'm gonna go down through my list and I'll end with my rating actually So so I'm in this is an adiant list

Formatula out there. I believe if I'm not mistaken This film takes place on August 21st So if you want to watch a film on August 21st This is the one this is streaming on shutter and as we said excellent horror lighting I think the most fascinating part of this what's most interesting to me is we're not sure But we have a sense that at least one of these two people is threatening But we have no idea which one is threatening and which one is in danger. I love that. That's pretty intriguing

But by the 14-minute mark you guys I wrote this in my notes. I'm like Let's go. Let's pick it up P.S. This isn't this is an Australian film by the way at the 24-minute mark. I wrote in my notes uh, I was getting Really tired of this. It's it's a lot of slow quiet conversation

I'm a clock watcher. I know that's definitely a slow burn. Yes for sure And by the way, this could be a stage play very easily This is the my dinner with Andre of horror movies and so I would agree I did start in a row but I thought about that as I'm watching

But there's a couple things that couldn't have happened We couldn't have had the shower scene with when she was tripping out and thinking she saw something And we wouldn't have been able to see the lipstick on the glass if it was a stage play Well, they wouldn't have been able to execute that because I was thinking that because this movie also reminded me Of a movie that made my top 10 a couple years ago

Um, oh, fuck gun. Well, I hear I see my mind is so shy Those when the one the guy was talking to the guy in jail and he was gonna be executed and all that and they had like an hour a dialogue You know what I'm talking about mmm Yeah, you're not talking about the Val Kilmer movie, right? No, no, no, it was a horror movie from a two years ago. Okay

Oh, what's it called? I'll find out right now because it's on my top 22. Okay. It was called um the righteous? No, no If you guys this that you guys get um 10 clover full lane vibes from this mmm, no, not really. I kind of did I kind of really because when the girl comes in he's being very like Oh, well, you're you know, you're your cold you should we should we should dry your shirt or you should take a shower Cut your cold and here's the here's a talent being helpful

But also like you don't trust him a whole lot. Yeah, and also I mean I don't trust her either Through that which is what I think is what's so strong about this film. That's the strongest element But but here's the thing guys by the 36 minute mark If we weren't reviewing this I would have I would have bailed I would have shut it off and given up and then in fact by the 40 minute I'm your personal that's your personal likes and dislikes well

That's that's what a review is my subjective experience. So then by the time I get to the 40 minute mark I paused it and I took a power nap because I was so damn tired And and I slept and I slept for 40 minutes and then I woke up and I'm like I got to finish this thing Okay, so then by the one hour and three minute mark I finally we finally get a sense

Okay, okay, I think I know what's happening here. I know where the danger's coming from But by then I didn't care because I was so pissed and then and so there was like 20 minutes total of this hour and 40 minutes Film that were like interesting to me and and scary and I'm like wow that 20 minutes and it's like from about one hour to one hour and 20 is the scary part And the last thing I'll say before my rating is that um interesting thing about this film if I'm not mistaken

The title card the title of the film does not appear on screen until the very end This is a I love that this is a four out of 10 for me and the only reason I gave it a four you guys The reason it's that high is because of the the tremendous performance says the great writing of the dialogue in like the lighting all the technical aspects

Otherwise, it would have been much lower, but this isn't an avoid for me. I hated this movie. Sorry So Jay's not very patient Yeah, as we have discovered over the years and I kind of had the thought when I was watching it I kind of had the thought I don't think Jay's gonna like this But the last time I had that thought I can't remember the movie now, but I did mention it on the show last time I had that thought You like you love the movie so I was

Maybe he's changed a little bit. Obviously you have not so Yes, this is not this is why you also why you don't like paranormal movies Yeah, well that and they change the parameters every five to be patient and the payoff has to be big enough And there's always an expert who happens to know all the Lord to this particular ghost and blah blah blah Yeah, you have you have to have the exhibition in their eyes turn black and oily and oil runs down and they're dragged away from the camera and the dark

Come on run. Give me some give me some I'm sorry that love the the Disney princess told me three again But you don't under you can't understand the basics of Basics and pacing and a paranormal film The two Shay two Shay okay, so you're you go ahead you guys your final thoughts and ratings Let's start with you Dave Z anything else you want to say okay? Oh boy, oh well listen the movie in question. I was thinking of was nefarious

It was from last year and it'll be in my number three of the year. Oh, you guys seem a fairy. Yes, and the theater Okay, well there was a whole lot of dialogue between two people and it was riveting to me It this was the same thing here and this always cracks me up because I am hardcore ADHD

Like a mofo bad, but I always hear people talk about Well, don't expect 80 HD people to be able to pay attention to this because you have to but the thing about this Is this I have ADHD, but let me tell you this You only can't pay attention to stuff that doesn't interest you When something does interest you you become engulfed in it and you you are so into it you because you have ADHD

You can't have anything else around you. You can't stop. That's what I'm saying you so you're watching this is me I'm watching the movie. I'm engulfed in it is this is the kind of movie you have to watch Every minute you can't come out of it for a second. You can't start looking at your watch Like and I understand j if you didn't if you didn't suck you in that's fine That's just a matter of taste. It is what it is where for me. This is my kind of movie. I love suspense

I love something bubbling under the surface. So I'm watching everything going on this movie and I'm so Into it and then like I said it's really there isn't a whole lot I can add to what I said before because It's we're not spoiling here. So it's like I can only say so much like you know

but the dialogue was really cool. There was a couple things that were said Which I thought were pretty clever when Somebody said Different tasting tap water and new scenery for our misery It would yeah, I thought that was really cool I like the stuff that was going on with the earring and the soup and the mystery of stuff like that now I've seen people interpret this movie one way and I don't think that's exactly what A lot of people say they saw the sword early which this happens to me a lot

I don't pick up on swirves or reveals That apparently are obvious to everybody else But I'm the guy that picks up things that nobody else is coming. I don't know what that is about me But I every time I see I yeah, I you guys didn't know that I knew that like you know 20 minutes in like how what did it

And I always figure that out but all the stuff that's supposed to be super obvious like goodnight mommy and like this one and other ones I never see coming but I watch usual So I think it's super obvious, but as a horror fan you have that distrust Really because you've seen so many movies like this Sure long played you said that because some people when they get it

I've heard people like the thing online last night. They were like oh, yeah You could tell any any season horror fan should be able to tell 10 minutes in what's going on here And I'm like well, I don't know what to tell you but I can tell you that I watch the usual suspects for the first time ever two years ago And I figured out that before freaking The threat and I told someone that like really I'm like yeah, I thought it was super obvious

But and it happens to me all the time, but I don't know what it is about me, but anyway Um, there was some really good stuff but the thing is when she goes in the shower And she looks and she sees blood how By the theory that people are saying if you're saying that the theories that this is what's going on actually in the movie How does that even happen?

And I'm not can't say anything because that's the general consensus as to what this is So there's a couple of things that I wanted to to talk about there But I can't get into them because you know because it would be spoiler Yeah, that's probably just fan service

Dave honestly to throw through listeners are listeners of viewers off But another theory that I that I saw It made sense that that would happen and there's some other things in it But again, I got to watch it again and read a little more But again, if you're someone like Jay that didn't care for it

You're not going to take times of you know look for alternative theories and in research it But I definitely am now I'm not too high on and I'm like over the moon But and I wish I could have been but I got to see that third act again And maybe it's going to help me and maybe you don't come higher

But right now it's a seven and a half if you like the type of movies that I've said if you liked You know nefarious and you like the first act of barbarian and you felt the same way I felt about What was that one they'll never save you oh?

Whatever see it's so fun that they have they have similar names No one will save you and this one's called you'll never find me So that that's kind of weird that these movies have the same effect where I love the first to act and then I was like What why in the third act but this movie wasn't a grigis to me there's more I think there's more beneath the surface here and I kind of want to get to it And if I can't figure it out then I'm giving the movie too much credit and it's a cop out

But whatever it's a seven and a half if you like the movies I talked about and you agree with what I've been saying here then absolutely I would say it's a high Pre-ordinary rental and to check it out but it's on shutter so What the hell there's worse things on shutter what are you waiting for? Check it out the worst things on shutter Hmm indeed, okay, all right. Thank you Ron Martin

Jay how did you feel about Boba Duke? I loved it especially after The Boba Dukes I did and especially after the end by the way because when we review that when she wins

She wins the well the Boba Duke over by giving a mom face. Well, wait a second. Wait When I love you, Ruck when we reviewed that on horror movie podcast Um the guys talked to me into looking at it because I was looking at the whole time From a literal perspective a literal monster, but then they talked to me about looking at it From more of a metaphorical perspective and then it blew my mind wide open Wow Jay same exact thing happened to me exact cool

I listened to a podcast and I heard them talking about it from the psychological and all the other stuff and I was like

Oh, that didn't even occur to me. Yeah, was it horror movie podcast because that was a big deal like at the end And I had this moment on the show where I was like Sort of shaken because it resonated with me in a powerful way, but yeah, so sorry She doesn't she feed it at the end Yes, she does so you don't feed a metaphor Just saying well you can feed things metaphorically Physical food

Like if it's a good point if it's a metaphor. It wasn't a metaphor. I haven't I saw the movie Jay I haven't I haven't seen it since what 2014 or whatever so I don't I don't remember to debate I'm gonna always I bring that up is cuz that's that the first like

Hour of that's a master class in like tension. I feel like and this movie um, you know the tensions are really good throughout the movie, but as we have said One once once you've I will say figure out the ending because I don't think there's any one ending

I think there's room for multiple theories as to what's happening in the movie But the theory that I chose to believe when it was happening Um, there's a bunch of scenes that you probably the viewers probably shouldn't have seen just because of the I don't know quote unquote twists in the movie um

I don't I don't It is it doesn't play to me like a twist, but I understand why people would call it twist And I think that the direction the movie goes is Super interesting especially in the in the third act when you kind of figure out what's happening I understand Dave Z's

Um confusing with the third act, but the way I understood it and maybe I've you know I think it's left for an open and foreign interpretation Even some of the stuff I've seen with the director kind of kind of points that and in my interpretation uh of that third act everything sort of uh plays out

I think really well, but again, it was probably way too long this probably should be like part of an anthology instead of like A whole hour and 40 minute movie there is some fan service stuff that just just there to throw off The uh the viewer I think anyway with the theory that I had and it's possible that My theory isn't doesn't hold water or something I guess

I think this is a solid movie. I don't think it's a great movie Uh it's free on shutter so I would recommend a low like low priority watch Of it for me it's a it's a five and a half because it's a little it's a little it's probably better than the five It's not quite a six if that makes sense um so I think it's a low priority watch

I wouldn't pay for it, but if you already have shutter like check it out. I think Okay, unless you're like Jay and you hate tension and You know you hate trying to you hate cerebral horror you could pay me $99 I would do it for $900. That's my that's where I would if you pay you $900 I would not do it for $99. I hated it that much Did you like the first act of barbarian?

Yes, loved it loved it you didn't think it was kind of similar like in in style to something like this. Yeah, here's the thing If if what happens it like an hour and five minutes in if that would have happened at the 20-minute mark as with most movies Then yeah, I'm let's do this, you know But it's like why are you making me wait for an hour and five minutes till we get down to business

Like cut off the you know, it's because it's built it's building tension and it's building characters. I agree. It's too long Oh, that yes, there's too much that doesn't happen Mm-hmm, but I mean I still felt that tension. I still felt that I still felt that fear and their conversations very slow and

Like you know what I mean? It's it's very like that's just the character fit the mood Yeah, I think it fit the mood of the rain and the storm and the the headiness of it all but that's why I needed an act All right, well I'm glad you guys enjoyed I really am and listeners Um, let us know what you thought of you'll never find me. That's the name of it, right?

Yes, or is it you'll never get me to watch this again? Okay, so I'm gonna be probably nine one dollar bills to your house Jay do it I would love to see you because last time you were visited Utah You didn't even get out and step your foot on the soil You taught us one of three states. I have driven in and never never stepped foot on Yeah, yeah Utah Delaware and Rhode Island. I know I missed I missed seeing you here brother All right, I did see it. I saw well good. That's good

All right, well, thank you for reviewing his listeners. Let us know what you thought I Oh All right, well on this segment of Macabre history, you know what, I actually have four little snippets. It's four shorter mini histories, I guess is the best way to put them. And I guess I'll start here. I was going to put them in order of, I guess, chronological order as to, you know, when these events actually happen. But I think the earlier ones are the more interesting ones.

So I'm going to just start here. I was looking up, you know, about celebrities who had had run-ins with ghosts or spirits and actually talked about them. And one that sort of stuck out to me was, and just this is a real quick one, it's Kiana Reaves. When he was a kid, he said he was about six or seven, he had an experience. And he told this story on the Jimmy Kimmel Show back in 2014.

And this is quoting him, he said, I'm probably like six, seven years old, we'd come from Australia, Renata, who was his nanny, him and his sister, who was their nanny, was in the bedroom, his sister was asleep, Renata was sitting, you know, just sitting there and Kiana, like he wasn't tired, he was just sort of hanging out. And he said there was a doorway to the room and all of a sudden a jacket comes waving through the doorway. It was an empty jacket, there was nobody, no legs.

It's just there, this jacket, and then it just disappears into thin air. And he said, I was a little kid and I thought, well, that was interesting. And he looked over at the nanny and she was horrified. She was absolutely terrified. And then he was like, oh, wow, so I guess that actually happened. He is how he put it. And that's the end of that ones. That's the quick one. Then I was looking and this one I thought was kind of interesting, more for where it happened. And this is Ariana Grande.

Well, no, mostly obviously from music nowadays. I know she was in some TV shows early on, on Nickelodeon, but she had a, she was talking to a Huff Post and talking about that. She said they were in Kansas City and they went to, I guess it was in October, they went to this haunted castle and it really got them excited. They were like, wow, they had so much fun at this haunted castle that the next night, they wanted to go to Stull Cemetery, STULL.

Not just to give you a little bit of a background on Stull. And this is from WeirdUS.com. This is in Stull, Kansas and it's about 15 miles from Lawrence, Kansas, the small town of Stull. The basic idea is for Stull Cemetery, somewhere within, and this is coming right from WeirdUS.com. Somewhere within the tiny rundown Stull Cemetery is a set of hidden steps. And this is legend now, which descend directly to the netherworld itself.

Stull Cemetery is considered, and I guess Lucio Fulcci would love this, one of the seven gates to hell. There's steps were supposed to nearly impossible to find and are covered by a hidden seal, which only opens on Halloween and the spring aquanox. And if you do manage to find these steps, you should never go down them because you will never be seen again. The entire cemetery, besides the gateway to hell, has some other evil things associated with it.

The main focus of it was this old church that had been falling down up until I guess a year before this article was written, it was torn down. Nobody, the owners never gave permission for the church to be torn down. Just one night someone went in and destroyed this church. It was standing, it had no ceiling, but the rumor was that rain would never fall inside of it. But like I said, somebody tore this church down without any clearance from the owners.

Somebody just went in and tore this church down. Also within this cemetery was a tall pine tree that stood until 1998 when it was cut down to kind of keep people out, because these thrill seekers would go in. You know, the tree was healthy, but it was cut down the day before Halloween because a lot of it draws a lot of people this tree because the rumor was that years ago a witch, somebody who had been accused of witchcraft was hung from this tree.

Now what was interesting about this tree was it grew directly through a headstone, it split the headstone in half and grew directly through it. But then that was cut down. There's a lot of people who are trying to keep this element. A lot of Satanists and occult witches would hold rituals within the church and around this tree in the days leading up the Halloween. And they're really trying to get rid of that.

Anyway, getting back to Ariana Grande, she talks about, you know, after going to this haunted castle and really liking it, they went to, you know, stall cemetery. She said as soon as they drove up, she felt the sick, overwhelming feeling of negativity over the whole car and we smelled sulfur, which she says is the sign of a demon. And there was a fly in the car randomly, you know, that it didn't seem that had been there before.

Almost something that was a fly in the car, which they said she says is another sign of a demon. So she was like, let's get out of here. We got to go right now. And she even rolled down the window before the left and said, we apologize when it means to disrupt your peace, then she said she took a picture and there were three super distinct faces in the picture just out in the middle of nowhere that she said had had had a look of a demon.

Which is the next day she tried to send the picture to her manager and they couldn't, it couldn't be delivered because she said the phone said it can't be delivered, it's too big. It is six, six, six megabytes. Wow. Yeah, and she said she was going to sleep a guess a few days later or a week later. She had just gotten off the phone and as soon as she closed her eyes, she heard a really loud rumble right next to her head. So she said she opened her eyes and immediately stopped.

As soon as she opened her eyes, but when she closed her eyes, it started again. And then she heard whispers. And every time she closed her eyes, she'd see these really disturbing images like these red shapes. So she opened her eyes and she got back on the phone and she's talking to a person and she's crying. So I'm really scared. I don't want to go to bed tonight. And she scoops to the left side of the bed because that's where the best service was in the room, the best cell service.

And there was this big black matter that was just sort of floating there. And she started to cry. She didn't know what to do. The people who were talking on the phone are like just tell it to F off. Say get out of here and she goes, I can't do that. I don't want to make it mad. And she ended up just sort of sitting there. She said, I'm not going to be afraid. It feeds on fear. And it just was sitting there at the edge of a bed. And eventually she eventually fell asleep.

And when she woke up, it was gone now. I don't know how much. I'm just telling you the story as she told it. There's still cemetery. The legend behind that is real. And that's the cemetery that she supposedly went to leading up to all of this other sort of craziness. Yeah. Maybe that's crazy. I don't know if any of the listeners live near that area of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas.

But if you do, and if you've never heard of Stull Cemetery, I'd be interested to know if you know anything, what you've heard about the legend of this. Dave, would you walk down those stairs if you found them? Hell no. I wouldn't walk into the damn cemetery. Really? Okay. No, were you kidding? The demons of something, it's not like ghosts, man. You're dealing with demons here. You don't just, you know, you don't just like, you can't, that's not something to shake really easily.

I don't do great with ghosts. I've already established that. So I'm sure it's hell not going to mess around with demons. So yeah, demons are like gum on the shoe. Yes. What about naked ghosts? Naked ghosts? Yeah, are you okay with those? Well, the only naked ghost I know was in that Lucho Fulcim movie, D'Amonia. A headless female, topless ghost showed up and shot a guy with a spear gun. Oh. That's the only naked ghost I've ever seen.

And then of course you have that scene in ghost busters with Dan Acroid, which is very interesting because one of the things I noticed, and I guess this was an inspiration for that, was that Dan Acroid said that years and years ago, he felt a presence getting to bed with him. Like a ghostly presence got into bed with him. Wow. I was thinking that had to be an influence on that scene from ghost busters. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's too down.

Okay. This one involves a very beloved actress, Angela Lansbury, who we lost not too long ago. This takes, goes back to the 1960s. Now she was living in Los Angeles at the time. And she had two older children. I want to say they were late teens, a son and a daughter. Well, they both got into drugs. Pretty heavy. They were doing heroin.

And you know, she talks about how, you know, bad, this was a time when you couldn't, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the more many people helping with that sort of thing. But not only that, her daughter had fallen in with a bad crowd. And she did not like the friends that her daughter was tangin' out with. So she went to her husband and he's going, look, we got to get these kids at it. So they took a year and they went over to Ireland.

She bought a house in Ireland because she wanted to get them away. The small little area of Ireland. She wanted to get them away. You know, she wanted to, to help them with their drug problem. And she wanted to get her, her teenage daughter away from her friends because she did not like the friends.

Yeah. Well, it turned out to be a good move because I think a year or two later, her daughter's friends who she had been hanging around with, a few of them were arrested for the murder of Sharon Tate and several other people. Whoa. At the mansion, Angela Lansbury's daughter had become a follower of Charles Manson. Oh, creepy, cool. And she said she goes, he was very dynamic. I mean, he had a dynamic personality and he pulled her daughter right in. And she was part of that cult.

She was part of that group. So she knew she had to break him, break her away from that. And that's why she took him over to Ireland. And it worked. They, they straighten out the drug problems. Her daughter got married, had a family. It seemed to work. But yeah, her daughter was, you know, Charles Manson in this interview, Angela Lansbury said that's what he would do. He would target the children of the wealthy. Interesting. That was those were the ones that he would target.

And he was able to pull her daughter in and she became one of his followers for a while. But she was able to break that up. And now for the last one, this is the most bizarre one. All right. When we started this whole macabre history, it was after on DVD and Fatuation, I told a story about Errol Flynn. And oh, who was it? John Barrymore and how, you know, the corpse of John Barrymore, director Rae Will Wallace, set it up in Errol Flynn's house just to scare him.

Yes. Well, this has to do with Errol Flynn after his death. This is dealing with the death of Errol Flynn. I think he died at the age of 50. And he lived, you know, he lived a wildlife, Errol Flynn. And this is about an autopsy that was done on him. Now they ended up doing two autopsy's on him. One when he, his body got back to Los Angeles. I'm not sure what this was. I'm Van Coover. This was in Van Coover, Canada.

And this is a report by coroner Glenn McDonald who did the first autopsy on Errol Flynn. It was in 1959. And I'm just going to read from his account of it. The autopsy concluded that the movie star's death was due to a number of factors associated with his flamboyant lifestyle, including heart disease, diverticulosis and cirrhosis of the liver.

But during the final moments of the examination, McDonald and the chief pathologist Tom Harmon made another interesting discovery, very sizable, venereal warts on Errol Flynn's member. Wow. On his weiner. To the point, it was so deformed that you could not even recognize it as a male organ. Oh my goodness. Now Tom, the pathologist was fascinated by it. And McDonald said that the, you know, the pathologist, look, I'm going to be lecturing at the Institute of Pathology.

And I just let him might be of interest. If I could remove these things and put him in for maldehyde and I can use him as a visual aid. Well, McDonald's like no way. He's like, you know, we're not going to do that. I don't want anything done that isn't relevant to the case because we're in the limelight here tonight. I mean, this is a star. We're on the hot seat. And how can we send Flynn, you know, back to his wife with, with part of his endowment missing? Oh wow.

But McDonald said that, you know, they he ended up leaving the room for a while. He had to go somewhere else. And when he returned, the venereal warts were gone. And there was a jar on the shelf with four maldehyde. And he said it looked like the VD warts were in the four maldehyde. So he, you know, he said he sighed and he talked to, he talked to the pathologist. He's like, did you have to remove those bloody warts? Did aeroflin expire because he had warts on his dog?

And the pathologist looked a little sheepish. You know, he got caught, but then they both start to laugh because it's just the whole thing seems so ridiculous. So McDonald's like, we're going to put him back and we're going to put him back right now. So how did they do that? Scotch tape. What? They did. They scotch taped. Aeroflens venereal warts back in the exact position they were.

Now, he felt, you know, he said when the body went to LA, he was, I guess he was a little nervous, but he was relieved when the chief corner of Los Angeles confirmed everything he had found about the death and said nothing in his report about Scotch tape on aeroflin. Oh my goodness. You got to be kidding me. Can you imagine why would you? Scotch tape. Why would you use Scotch tape? I mean, that's, I guess they, I guess they, they had to put him back and they didn't know how else to do it.

I mean, you're not going to sell them one, I guess. Well, I know, but like, did they not have super glue back then or glue, glue probably would have been better, but I guess the only thing available was Scotch tape. I mean, that doesn't even stick very well. I know. Oh my goodness. Dave, that's insane. I can't believe that story. That, that, it's pretty crazy. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Anyway, that is this episode, some macabre history.

All right, Jay of the dead here and we're bringing you a very, very exciting, much anticipated concept discussion that will be led by the persuasive one, Dave Z. So everybody batten down the hatches of, uh, this is, this is tremendous because we've actually been teasing this. And Dave Z, I hope that as you, um, lead into this and this, when you talk about this, that maybe you'll, uh, promote the, uh, what's the party horror show because I know we've discussed it over there as well.

But Dave Z is going to talk to us a little bit about one of his many systems in the, in the horror genre. He has many very smart systems he's come up with. And, um, on this one, we're going to see if there's a little bit of, uh, a little bit of controversy, perhaps among the group here. So I'm joined by Dave Z, of course, uh, Ron Martin and Dr. Shock. So I'm going to kick it over to Dave Z to lead us in and tell us what's going on.

Okay, well, thank you for saying that all those really cool things about me and you said something pretty positive about having a great system or something like that. Yeah. You know, that, I guess that's going to remain to be, um, to be heard and seen by people listening, but I don't like to brag. I do not at all.

But when push comes to shove on certain things and people are looking at new movies and what's coming out and, or even when I see someone's watched a movie, I scratch my head and I'm like, what about that cover about the art on that? Haven't you learned your lesson yet? Haven't you been watching these things as long as I have? And the reason I can humbly brag about it is only because I'm in the 90 percentile.

I think it's safe to say, and we can put this to the test and we used to talk about this on what Z party all the time because we would look at the movies that were coming out each month. And then we would see them and I would look at the cover and everything else. And I would say, okay, well, this movie is probably not going to be good. And I'll tell you why because they use this, this, and the type of art, the type of font. There's just certain things that are notorious for bad movies.

And we've seen it over and over again. There are some exceptions. Sometimes there's exceptions, of course. But this is like information that I feel like it's hard for me to say because I don't want to come off like a braggart. I'm really not. I'm honestly just trying to share the methods that I have with people that are into the stuff like we are in the horror movies where they could say, oh, okay. So this does work. And I'm going to try to do it.

I want to save people time from watching bad movies. And I know there's the age old thing. Don't judge a book by its cover. And there is something in a book. Maybe it does make sense. But when you have the, we've been doing this stuff for a long time. When you have the trained eye, after all this time, you should be able to have pretty decent educated guesses on things this way. And it's perplexing to me why everybody else doesn't see the things that I see here.

And I want to share it with people. And I've been telling people for the longest time since I've been podcasting. If you ever want to know whether or not you should watch a movie, just message me. I would always say message me on Facebook or whatnot. And in this case, I'll say email us and say, hey, what do you think? I want to try this method out. Now, I say it's tried and true because it is for me.

But if you listen to those Watson episodes, even see Watson's basically said under my learning tree, I suppose you could say. And he's even caught on to it. And he's like, yeah, I'm not going to say that he's a complete devotee to it. And it's like, you know, he believes 100% what I say. But as time goes on and he's been around me and we've talked about, he's like, yeah, you're right. That movie did suck. And this does happen.

And I like to share this information because like I said, I don't understand what I, what so quote unquote, special about me that I can spot these turds way before everybody else has wasted their time watching them. And I know some people like to say, wow, I can't just go by everybody's opinion. I got to do it for myself. And there is something very good about that as a person. I get it. But my rebuttal to that is always.

There's only so much time and there are a bunch of great horror movies that I as well traveled as I like to think I am still haven't seen. So I can't see myself wasting time on a turd when I still haven't seen certain movies that I know I should have seen by now. So I thought maybe we could get into the discussion and people that haven't heard me on my other show is that haven't listened. That only know me here. This could be new for them.

So maybe I can pass on this whatever wisdom I have of this method. And I'm really excited because maybe it is going to be controversial. But I do have rules. And I'm saying it's 90% tile. And that's just before the movie comes out. I also have another system after the movie comes out. But that's another story. But that is more, that's even more telling because after the movie comes out, I can go to my letterbox and I can see that.

You know, 30 of my friends have seen this movie and the highest I've seen is two out of five. I just don't think that I'm going to be the guy to watch and say it's a four. And I'm, it's like I always say, if you're waiting on a line with like 40 people and they keep going up and there's a drink at the front. You know what I mean? Here's here's some lemonade. And the guy in front gets the lemonade. It's like, tastes like piss. Okay. Then the other guy comes up, tastes like piss.

And 40 people do that before you. Are you really going to see that? Are you really going to take the chance and think that maybe it won't taste like piss to you? I don't know. You tell me. But, Jamie would maybe it depends. Well, they, Jay's learning from me, but Jay for the, I do a lot of things. You do a little bit, but I mean for the sake of the show because you're such a good host, you're going to still jump in.

Regardless, because how many times have we done this when I went and we're talking about new movies and I feel bad as a host because you'll say we were going to cover this movie when we record next episode and I'm saying I'm sorry, Jamie, I'm not going to watch that. And it's, I feel prickly doing it because I want to be on the show. But at the same time, I'm like, I want to spare myself. And I don't think it's ever happened that I said I don't want to watch it.

And then you guys came back and people are giving you good news. Well, by the way, if I understand cricket, I know Gilman Joel does that. Ron Martin also does that right. Ron, you don't, you don't. Well, because all these movies that Jay goes and sees when they come out in the theater, I know they're going to be bad movies. And I'm on the watch and if they're streaming, I don't mind watching a bad movie, but I'm not going to go sit through theatrical experience.

I don't really care for it to begin with to see a bad movie. Sorry, sorry, Jay. That's all right. No, that's fair. So what I thought we could do and if you're okay with this, I wanted to sort of, now you tell me, Dave, which way you want to proceed. This is totally up to you. I don't want to hijack anything you're doing. I know you have rules. Now I've prepared some posters that we're going to go through as a group here.

Do you want to kind of highlight the rules as we go through or do you want to state all the rules first ahead of time? No, it's better to, no, I don't want to state anything because that's too arrogant. No, it's not caught and dry. It's better that I explain as we go because when I say something, I'll say that's bad artwork. It's saying bad artwork doesn't mean that the artwork itself is bad. It could be a beautiful looking painting, something I could never dream of doing in my wildest dreams.

But when I say bad artwork, I'm saying artwork like this is good as you think it looks, never amounts to a good movie. So it's kind of like, I would rather you post them. I would rather get the, I would either hear you in, in Dakshok and Ron say, what you think about that cover and what not. And then I could say what I think it is or it's not or why. Okay. Are you going to, are you going to post these on the show notes so the listeners can see them? Oh, yes, absolutely.

And in fact, I've prepared a game of sorts if you guys are up for this. But first before I get into the, the preface to the game, I want to know, Dakshok, do you have anything to say at this point because I wanted to make sure we hear from you if you have something to throw out at the beginning? I'm just very, I'm very interested to hear this. I didn't end to hear Dave talk about these because he does seem to have some points.

I know you posted a, you put a poster up recently in the chat and Dave's, he's like, no, that's crap. So. Well, all right. Thank you. So okay, a couple of things I just wanted to say. Dave's, he knows I respect him immensely as I do all the Avengers on this show. But I do like when, because I come up with systems too, I have theories on things.

And so when Dave comes up with theories, I like to try to give him, I don't know, a little bit of pushback if I can, because we're going to test his theories today. So I'm not, I'm not going after Dave's, but I just have three, three things to say. No, number one, this is just for anybody who's listening to us with eyebrows raised. We are not saying that we decide the quality of a film. Like we don't review films strictly by looking at the movie posters, obviously.

Dave's is just stating to be clear that he decides on whether or not he's going to take a chance on a film based on the movie posters. That right, Dave's, so we're not like given ratings. We look at a poster all that's a four. We don't do that, right? Not, not precisely, but there have been times like on Watsy when we're talking. And even with friends, I'll talk to a look at the poster. I'll say, well, I could see this maybe being a five or six, but no higher.

I can make predictions on what people that are in friends with are going to watch and what they'll come up with. But I would rather, you know, somebody come at me and I welcome it more than anything, though, I want my theory tested. Like if something, nobody's seen the movie and you show me the poster and I say, okay, this is going to be bad. I want somebody to watch it or whatever and come back and say, well, he was right or he was wrong. And I'm willing to bet.

I'm confident that nine times that I tend. I'm going to be right. My biggest contention toward your theory here is, and this might surprise you and I'll preface it. Sorry about all the preface. This is with a little anecdote. When I was younger, young Jay, when I would watch movies with my best friend Bill Barnes, I would be like, all this is going to happen. I predicted. I predicted and Bill would always look at me and know he's like, everyone predicted it. It's obvious.

And so I think my theory is, and we're going to test this with me, Doc Shock and Ron Martin. And I have the game structured in such a way so we can see if this is true or not, Dave Z. But I'm thinking that your system is sort of maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that it's inherently what we all do. I think we all do this to an extent. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's one thing I want to test is whether it's obvious or not.

Because one thing I wonder is if we're primarily ultimately assessing the budget for the marketing materials and therefore the art and stuff. So I mean, that's, but anyways, so the way the game will go, I'm going to publish a photo and these guys don't know ahead of time what I'm publishing, but we're looking at summer horror releases coming up here for summer 2024. I'm going to post it in our Skype chat and it will also be in the show notes at newhorrormovies.com.

Don't click the wrong photos, Jay, I don't know what's on your phone. That's right. We're not going to see Megan, are we? No, no. No one's already been released. Yeah, so this will be in the show notes. And then, and then just for the listeners, because what I did, Dave Z, there are multiple movie posters for some horror movies, right? So I'm going with, if you, I'm going with the version that if you type in the title in IMDB, it's the version IMDB showing. So that's the one we'll use.

And then I'm going to ask these guys of the three of us will say two things, either it's thumbs up, thumbs down, or something like that. Good movie, yay or nay, whatever, just to keep it simple. And then I think also another important faceted this, not trying to complicate it, is I think we should state whether we have seen a trailer for the movie, because I think that's influences.

And then once we've heard what we think, we're going to go to you for the ultimate ruling, Dave Z, you'll say what you think, and then you'll get to explain why and go into your rules. Are you okay with this? Yeah, that sounds fun. I love that. Okay, all right, here we go. And Doc Shock is going to be our lead off batter. Doc, Ron, and me, and we're going to start with this first one. I'm going to put it in our Skype chat.

And for the listeners, I did slip in a May 31st when this is trying to get it in there. Let's not ask like any of that episode coming up before any of these movies are going to get it. Okay. And a violent nature is the name of the film. Okay, so let's look at this poster, tell me, co-host me, and I'll smooth this in editing if it takes us a minute. So Doc Shock, do you see it? I see it. Yes. Okay. Judging by that poster, is that going to be good or bad?

It doesn't excite me to be honest with you because it looks like it might be a slasher film, obviously. No, it's not impressing me that this is one that I'd have to see in the theater. Okay. Doc says no there. You see a trailer for this, Doc. No, I don't watch trailers. You won't have to worry about me seeing a trailer for anything because I don't watch. So all trailer answers are no for you. Okay, Ron Martin. I have seen a trailer for this.

I still think it's going to be a bad movie, but I will say that what I consider a bad movie, a lot of people don't. So my opinion usually is in the minority. Okay, so you, but how do you feel about this poster art? Does the poster make you think it's going to be good or bad? The poster makes me think it's going to be a lackluster slasher that Hollywood before Sonar Proves and make a franchise anyway and a lot of teenagers will go see it. Okay. Got you.

So a bad movie might make a lot of money, though. Okay. Well, I think I think this is going to be a good movie based on the poster. I did see like maybe 15 seconds of the trailer and then I stopped when I realized that it was the trailer for this film. Okay, there we are. Dave, we got Dave's, we got two nose and a yes. You tell us Dave in a violent nature. This is not the easiest actually. I'm surprised that it's coming to theaters. You said it's coming to theaters.

I don't, I, I'm not sure about that. If it is, it's limited. Okay. Because first, first and foremost, movie, it sounds like a cop out, but movies that come to theaters, wider release movies, I don't play the game with them because they always have good posters. So it's different. The everything I'm looking at was mostly independent or direct, you know, and I mean, just independent. It's not that comes that doesn't play. I mean, a movie like a imaginary in this and that.

I mean, that poster looks fine. That was an independent movie I would call it a pass. The imaginary poster with the teddy bear on it. Yeah, that would be a pass for me, even if it was for an indie film, but I know it's not a good movie, but it played it the theater so that that goes against the rules off the bat. The theater movies and posters, it doesn't count. I don't, I don't count that. Okay, don't get mad at me.

I'm just, I, I just going to know this because I'm, I'm the, what do you call me? Well, probably a lot of things, right? Run. Yeah, like, no, I'm, I'm trying to be the, you know, to list what we don't call it. Yeah, I'm trying, I'm trying to really put the, the heat lamp on you here. So for a horror movie that has a teddy bear on the cover, you thought that, you thought that looked okay. I'm just double checking.

Okay. Yeah, it's all about how the teddy bear looks and how the font looks where it says imaginary. I just bold it up now. I was just going by memory, I don't know why I pulled the imaginary because there are a lot of like lustrous stuff at the theaters. Okay. But the posters always look like they're passable to me. Okay. Passable where if this one and Dave's defense, they probably have a whole marketing team spending a lot of time money on each poster if they're right really exactly exactly.

Certainly. But that's what I'm getting. And it's like, if this would have been, if imaginary would have been a direct to video type movie or, you know, not direct, you guys know what I mean, not a theater. And then you can be film that you're rent, you know, you're streaming film. Okay. Streaming only or something on 2B or something. Uh-huh. Yeah. It would have looked different. If it differences would have been, is that the lighting would have been a little different.

The bear would have looked a little different. The font for sure and that color would never be used. Right. And the stuff that he's sitting on, that black and white checkered thing, that actually looks good. So it's hard to explain why, but it's just little things they can look at. Now as far as in a violent nature is concerned, I would say that's not going to be a good movie. Okay. You say no on that. I don't like the look of the mask. It's just something about it just looks cheap to me.

And this is what it comes down to. If you can't be imaginative enough or care enough about your, um, what you're marketing with, then more than likely, you're not going to be very imaginative and creative enough in the film itself. That's what I, that, that kind of sums things up. Because even me, like we were going to make our movie for exploding ads. And I, I could tell you right now, there are certain fonts in this, in colors and everything else that I don't care what it costs.

I am not going to market my movie to look like that because it's already a immediate turn off. What is this? This is not terrible. This is not a terrible cover. Yeah. It's just not good. There's a lot worse out there than this. But this movie I could see, you know, it might be a turd. I don't expect it to be good. I'll tell you that for sure. But this one is a tough one. It's not terrible, but it's not really, you know, I do have some issues with it.

What if the marketing to you in, in response to what you said, what if the, the marketing team is different from the filmmaking team, which is the case a lot of times? It always is. It's always different. Well, I think for Andy, what are you willing to spend on the put like Dave Z saying? I mean, are you going to go generic? Like how many floating house posters did we get after cabbing in the woods? Oh, God. I know.

But I'm just saying like, because for Andy, yeah, for Andy cinema, like if people are like on a shoestring budget, then they probably are really hands on what they're marketing. But you can, yes, but you can still do it in an imaginative way. So, but what you're, yes. Okay. So you're talking about imagining because because one thing I was worried about is this being reduced to, well, do they have a good budget to put out a good poster or not where it's just budget?

But I think what Dave Z is, tell me from wrong Dave Z, I think what you're getting at though goes beyond budget. It has to do conceptually with what a tone that you're trying to convey, right? As an art like through your communicating your film through one still shot image poster. That's all you have. I mean, I haven't watched trailer. So it's different with me, but you have this one shot to stick out.

And if you don't care enough to do something besides generic old stuff, then you're telling me that you're just in it for the money, which I'm not knocking that. But I'm saying you don't have, you're just trying to get a freaking, to make a buck here and then go on to the next thing. You don't have enough creativity and an artistry inside of you to say, hey, no, that's not going to represent my film. We're going to do something a little different.

James Wan. And James Wan makes money and gets asses and seats. Regardless of the films, it's films have no heart. That's what you're getting at. So if you're just making money, you're not in it for the love of the horror. And I think horror fans can tell by real horror fans. Well, yeah, but James Wan does have an artistic flair with the way he films things. You can tell that James Wan movie and you could like see another director make something a movie like the guy that did Annabelle creation.

You could tell that he sat under the James Wan tree the way it was shot and things that were going on in the movie. I happen to like it. But again, James Wan, he's a very divisive type of filmmaker. But I would say, you know, overall, he has a good reputation for most horror fans. Not all. I mean, I know what you're saying, Ron. And you're not the only guy I've heard it from. But, you know, James Wan is still respected. He's not like something. Now, and I'm not knocking these people at all.

Some people have sent some negative things about what's his name, HG Lewis, and just saying that they knock him, you know what I mean? If they're what he does and what he did and everything like that. And I don't see that. I happen to be okay with this film. But some you can't label James Wan as the type of opportunist that you would label that others may label on HG Lewis. You know what I'm saying? Or does that make sense to you? Yeah. Well, and if we're talking opera.

Ron, I'm missing you specifically. You're talking about it. Go ahead, Ron. He has no artistic flair. And you know what I'm saying? I'm not saying it's not an artistic flair. I'm saying that he is, he makes horror movies for money purposes. And he's not, you know, there's no love with this genre. And that's what you were saying, right? So if it's just for money, you don't care. Then that means your movie's not going to have much heart to it. I think horror fans can see through that.

Sure. And James Wan's good movies can be attributed to the writer. I'm not going to go into two detail because that is going to be one of my best scenes. I'm just coming up. Nice. But you could see James Wan. You could see in his movies that he is a horror fan. You could tell from the first conjuring. I agree. You could tell from what's that one movie? Well, Saul. I mean, Saul was great movie. Yeah. Dead silence. Saul, Saul written that. What's that last one that I'm talking about?

Oh, what's the last one that came out with? Malignant. Malignant may not be the greatest for everybody. But what? You could still see that he produced the influences in his films in that movie. You could see he's a horror fan because of the way it's shot and the things that he's opts to feature in his films. But anyway, that's run. I love one last real question for Ron because I love Ron. So Ron, but you and I agree that you're complaint you just had about James Wan.

You and I agree that Jason Blum is more egregious at that very thing at the pot boiler. I know. Yeah. Yeah, okay, absolutely. Just check it. At least James Wan when he has Lee Winell writing for him can produce a good movie. I think that's a lot more Lee Winell than the James Wan. But that's just me. Maybe so. Yes. But a bad James Wan movie to you Ron. Let's say you watch a James Wan movie and it's bad. Okay. Okay. So you say Malignant's a bad James Wan movie. That's fine.

And it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Wow. But you really honestly think that a movie like freaking in a violent nature or some other direct to freaking to the home video or streaming movie that you could tell is going to be a turd before it comes out and it comes out and it is you really mean to tell me you believe that Wands movies are worse than those turds like in your heart.

I think Wands movies are worse than those turds because Wands movies is just going to have a ton of money and marketing behind it and expectations. If I watch a movie on 2B or I watch a shutter original, I'm not coming out with a ton of expectations. If it's a good movie, great. If it's a bad movie. You know, I got what I paid for with Malignant. You know, you have to pay in a theater to go see it. There was a ton of marketing behind it. It had a ton of commercials.

So there was a lot more expectations on that movie. I think then on like, for example, when you said backhead, then there would be on say backhead, which is a better movie than Malignant. And that's fine. I get that. I understand where you're coming from. Okay. Okay. We'll keep moving. I got more questions for you, Dave Zee. But I'll save on for it. Also, in that same respect, like he's going to have access to better special effects. Better equipment, better actors than an independent person.

I take that in consideration as well. It'll be a better made movie for sure, but will it be a better movie? Yes. There's definitely a difference. Okay. So, this next movie poster that we're going to look at is a group here and the listeners can join us is a film called Insane Like Me with a question mark at the end. It's a dog shock. Tell me when you see that one. I got it. Okay. So, what do you say? Bad movie, good movie. Yeah. This isn't doing it for me either. I mean, it's a dead.

What the hell's going on here? Is it known fire is the fire behind them? I'm guessing the fire's coming from her head. I think they did. They needed a nuclear bomb on her head, dog shock. Oh, that what it is. Okay. Yes. That makes sense. Okay. So. I would pay to see the first one before I pay to see this one. I'd be honest with you. Yeah. I thought this doesn't look good at all. Okay. Okay. And Ron Martin. I'm going to echo everything dog shock. Okay. Did you see a trailer on it, Ron? I did.

I never heard of this one. I looked so trotious. Okay. Yeah. And I agree with everything you guys just said. It looks very bad based on the poster art and I did not see a trailer. Okay. Dave Z. Tell it. Yeah. That's terrible. It's so bad that it looks like it could have been from the 90s. But this is like a bad 90s cover, like early 90s before the floating ads. That's how bad it looks. And if you look at it up here, Eric Roberts is in the movie. So I'll say what?

Eric Roberts cannot be in a good or a movie. I'm sorry. No. Eric Roberts should have stopped in the outside early 90s because I think you see Eric Roberts's name in a movie now. And it's just like, okay, it's it's uncorporate entertainment or something like that. Yes. And we should talk about this. I should explain to our listeners that are millennials are younger that we're all older.

So we have experienced half a negative to video stores in the 80s and 90s and renting movies based just on the cover art. Yes. Yes. So this is very similar. It is. That's very true. That's how it began. Right. 100%. But let me say something else. It goes kind of along these lines. And I said about Eric Roberts and this is something that really frosted my balls. I don't understand why people see certain names on movies.

People start seeing certain names and movies for people that made some good movies in the 80s or the 90s and they see their names on a movie and expect a good movie. I could and I'm not knocking the actors. What? So ever. But the past they might be talented. They might have had great runs, but I don't understand. Well, first, I'll tell you this. Remember that movie was marketed as the, because this has all of them in it. So and I knew right away it was a tour because of that.

It was marketed as the expendables of a horror. And what the hell was it called? It was anyway as soon as I heard about this movie and back then we were doing banana bites, banana laser when we were talking about new releases and stuff. And I said as soon as I know that all these people are in it, it was like Tony Todd, Kay and hotter, this that here's what I don't understand. And I don't understand why somebody sees like Felissa Rose and I love Bill Mosley.

But if it's not directed by Rob Zombie at this point and all these guys, those are always bad movies. Why do people see those actors? One of the last time those people were in a good movie and I don't understand why people don't see that and do the same thing with the guy I'm saying with the posters. That is an immediate avoid. Like I said, I said it on Facebook that day. I said, this movie is going to be a turd. You heard it here first. Everybody was all excited about it.

I'm like, I have what is it about me that I had the opposite effect when I saw that line up? I don't get why horror fans see that and one is the last time they made a good movie. It just it makes no even Lin Shea. I've Lin Shea makes a movie now and it's not in theaters. It's going to be a turd. Lin Shea is only good movies. Only good movies she's ever done are theater movies. I'm sorry. I'm not talking old school.

I'm talking about since since she became a bigger name because of the the the um in cities. Yes. Yeah. And she got back into the. Oh, I think she was a big name in horror circles before. No, no, no, I don't mean that. I mean, when she came back and came up with a big name. That's a bad girl friend. You leave her alone. No, I know.

I love Lin Shea. But I'm saying she didn't do anything for a little while and then she had to come back in her career when she made the insidious movies when she came back and then all of a sudden you you want to all of a sudden she would do all these direct to freaking streaming and direct video stuff that was terrible. And it's the same thing. I could have gone and seen a movie for free. I got this offer to drive the Rochester. It was only 90 minutes away. What the hell was it called?

Oh my gosh. Darn it. Either way. Um. I want to say that Tony Todd was in it. Okay. And it was either Tony Todd or it was. Oh, what's his name? Son of a gun. See my mind used to be so much better than it is now. Either way, I think what's called trick or treat or candy corn or something like that. I think what's called candy corn and it came out like, I don't know, three or four years ago. And I'm going to look it up because I want to make it. Yeah. I think it was Netflix.

No, that would have messed with that garbage. Candy corn. Yeah, I think it was a streaming service. Maybe it wasn't that good. I could have. Here's who was in it. Here's who was in it. Tony Todd, Courtney Gaines, Pantial, Boulder, PJ souls. Either way, the big names were, you know, were Tony Todd, Courtney Gaines, I guess, and PJ souls. I had an opportunity to go there for free and go see this movie and take part in some Q and A thing because of the podcast.

And I said, I didn't tell, I didn't say that. I mean, I just never accepted it, but I knew right then and there, I'm not even going to go to take part in this because this movie is going to be a turn. All I knew was nothing. I saw the cover and I knew the stars and I said, no, immediate turn. And guess what? Turn. I mean, I don't know. I didn't see it, but it's a 4.1 on I'm. Well, death house. That's about me that I see these people and I, you know, you know, it's going to be crap.

I don't know if they all see these names and go, oh, they're a legend in the genre. This is going to be good. No. I can tell you, I can tell you the key component here, Dave, is if they're already doing horror conventions and you can meet all of these people at horror convention and they're all together in a movie, it's probably, it sounds like it's probably not going to be good. That's a very good thing. That's actually how a lot of these producers approach these actors.

They'll do it at a horror convention. Mm hmm. Well, they're assigning. They're taking a paycheck. Um, yeah, the question I'm posing though is this, okay. So you guys seem like you agree with me, but how come everybody was so jazz when this death house came out and how come everybody gets excited when they see these names in these freaking low budget, you know, independent movies and they think they're going to be good.

And it's just like, what do you think the last time anybody did anything good was when Felicia Rose appeared in the fourth hatchet movie, but hatchet was already a franchise. Right. And I love Felicia Rose as a person. I'm not talking anyone that's making money. And God bless them if they're making money. I do the same thing. Are you leaving anyone that these guys? I wish, you know, I'm not knocking them for making money and for appearing in films and doing the Eric Roberts and everything.

But I don't understand the viewers, the consumers who think that these things are going to be good. It's just like, what am I missing horror fans? They don't care about quality a whole lot of times. Well, or wishful thinkers. Why don't many horror fans that are just like, I don't care. I know many horror fans who, you know, will say, yeah, scream five sock doesn't matter. I'm going to go see a scream six opening night. You know, I think that's the mentality of most horror.

Yeah. PPS. Death House is rating on IMBB is a three out of ten. It's garbage. And it's generous. I bet because of the people in it. If the record Ari Lyman's band plays in my town a lot. So if you have a son, first, maybe nice. Jason, yeah, he sells autographs to the at the merch table. Cool. Good on hand. I don't go. You know, I never go by actors. I go by like the filmmakers, the directors. And if they've done something in the past, I'd be more willing to give it a chance.

I don't go by actors because I mean, Tom Cruise has appeared in crap. You know, so I never look at it at a cast and say, wow, I got to see the movie because of that cast. I look at the filmmaker. I look at the director. And he's done before. I would say I do that sometimes only because I've met the people and I really like them. So I want to support what they're doing even. And I don't mind watching a bad horror film. I mean, I know Dave sees more. I really, really adverse to that.

Yeah, I don't either. I've seen plenty of them. So yeah, I mean, I saw a lot of people that said, oh, horror fan watching a hundred films to find one good one. I'm like, yeah, that's me. That's right. It won't be me. I can't do it anymore. But John, the fans are different though. You're talking about Tom Cruise, Dave. And I 100% get that. But I think genre fans are just because it's, you know, they have so much respect for, you know, because we're like a click. We're like our own little thing.

It's a dish audience, you know what I mean? So when we see those people from yesterday year, they did good things. They want to go and see them. But it's just like, I respect what they did, but I know it's not going to be good. But anyway, I mean, like, I've talked to Lisa Wilcox lots of times. And so I'll go see some of them if she's in it just because she's in it. Even if I know it's going to be bad, it's about them. By the way, Doc shocked my criteria.

My number one criteria for watching a film personally is the premise. I, for me, I make my whole judgment on the premise almost always. But okay, that's, where do you get the premise if it's from IMDee? Those are garbage. That's, that's the problem. I mean, if I do, if I won't spend a lot of time on this, but if I do watch the trailer, I'll watch 15 seconds and stop to try to get the gist. Or yeah, I know you can't always trust the premise sees out there. Okay, next poster. Here it is.

This one is called the Hangman. Play the law already throws me off. Yep. And this is a slated supposedly for June 4th as well, just like insane like me. Okay, Doc shocked. The Hangman. See it? I see it. Okay. Yes or no on that. I've never, I've never heard of this thing. It's tagline is boring. Give the devil his due. What is it? What is it? What is it? What does it say below that a thread? No, where are you finding these jabs? These are dread original. Oh, dread centrals behind. Oh, okay.

Yeah, so it's a face. It's like a wrinkled up which he looked in woman's face. So a dread central spine. That means it's probably going to be about a two or three, but the rated a seven or an eight. Smackdown. You know what? Yeah, I mean, this is supposed to be the Hangman. So this is another attempt at a franchise. And no, no, it's nothing about it is nothing about it says, wow, I can't wait to see that.

Okay. I do think it's bold to put your monster, quote unquote, your monster's face right on the cover. And if you do that, it better be a scary monster if you're going to do that. But Ron, what do you say about this? No, I'm in total agreement with Josh. This looks like an AI generated thing. Okay. And that doesn't it. It's well, I think for the, I think the fonts better though. Yes. And you didn't see the trailer, right? I've never heard of this movie.

Okay. Same. I think this does not look good based on this poster art. And I didn't see a trailer. Okay. Dave Z. Take us. Why in the face of Super generic as far as horror goes to? Yes. Yeah. Okay, Dave Z. Of course, I agree. Of course, it looks bad. It's, and I don't hate the, I don't hate the font either, but problem is with just that white. There's a lot of just white ones like that and movies like this and it never ends up being good.

And it's just the, you know, but everything else about it just, yeah, this is bad. It could be worse, believe it or not, that's bad. But if the font was even worse looking and if the background, I don't know, I've seen worse, but yeah, this is bad. And you can have a nuclear layer bomb set off on top of his head. Yeah. Yeah. Same like me. Okay. Next one. Okay. June 7th, this is a major, a major theater release. It will be wide. And this is M. Knight Shyamalan's daughter, the watchers.

Okay. So Doc Shock. I have seen a commercial for this. Okay. And I always want to give him a chance. I always want to give him a chance. And he's, he's let me down plenty of times. But yes, I would see this one. I don't know that it would be the poster though that would do it. But I would, I will see this one. I don't think the poster is that bad actually. So the poster judging just from the poster though, you're saying, well, and end of course, you're influenced by the control.

Just on the poster. Yes, that's true. And then my Shyamalan and I always give him a chance. And it's his daughter. It's his daughter. Yes, but he's producing. So he's producing and I'm assuming it would, it might have sort of the same flavor as one of his movies because it's got to. So I would go to see this one.

Yes. And I don't, I'm not, I would be apprehensive, but I would go to see it and I would hope it would be, you know, more like the sixth sense and maybe not so much like some of his later stuff. Okay. I'm glad you tread lightly there. Okay. So all right, Ron or Han Martin. All right. David, the Shaman Dungarding Dung out of the equation, just looking at the poster. I made it, I made the image a little bigger so I can see it.

There's a lot more going going on inside that little bug thing that's in her eye than you can see when it's small like that. Similar to science of the lamp, if you've ever seen that poster. Yes. And it is a unusual thought for the movie. I think that I would go see this one. Okay. This is much more interesting than the last. Did you see the trailer? I don't think I've seen a trailer by knew it was coming out because I knew that his daughter was making a movie.

Okay. Okay. Here's my looking judging just by the poster. I would say yes. This looks like a decent horror film. However, knowing as having seen the trailer multiple times. The instant I won't rant, I'm about, I'm going to stop myself. The instant I saw that trailer, I was just absolutely, what's the word? This sounds crazy. It infuriated me. I don't like the trailer. This is going to, I think this movie is going to be... You're infuriating me. You got it.

Well, that's why you got to stop watching trailers because trailers are made for a specific audience and they do generic things in the trailer. They give things away in the trailer because it's made by the marketing team. I don't care about the film maker. I know that side of it. I know the spoiler aspect of trailers. I'm not even talking about that.

I'm talking about the Shyamalan tendency for contrivance and just the way this story looks, I was just irritated immediately and I think it's going to be cheesy and dumb. This is just based on the poster, Jay. I know, but having seen the trailer which influenced me, I just want to put out there, this movie is going to be cheesy and dumb. Okay, so... All right, Davey. You're cheesy and dumb. That's probably true. Okay, go ahead, Davey.

Okay, like I said before, it's tough for wide release movies like this. I didn't say that. I could verify that. Yeah, they always look at these decent. I have not looked at one for the theater and said that's going to be a turn like I've been able to for the other three. But I will say this, there is one telling thing for me that I don't like in it's that floating skeleton thing. Something about the way it looks and the legs and the wings and all that. It almost looks kind of cheap.

Like if you just focused on that and zoomed in on it and that was the cover of a movie that wasn't a wide release, that would turn me off. Something about it looks freaking cheap and you usually don't see cheap looking things that come to the theater. So I'm almost... It's really tough because yeah, I'm playing out of my league. Now, it's not how I do it. I don't count wide release theaters. But I do not like the look of that thing. I will say that so that could weigh into it.

So you're saying no to this? I'm going to say, here's what I'm going to say. I'm not. Okay, if there's such thing as thumbs up, thumbs down. This is the thumb in the middle. This is like something that I know it sounds like a cop out, but it's the best I can do on a wide release theater movie. Let me push back on you, Dave Z. This is someone to ask you earlier. So for your system, and I guess you admit you admit this. So I mean, it's not like I'm, you know, but you're putting it out there.

If theater, major theater releases, if those posters always look good and we see theater films, you've seen theater films that you didn't like, then yes, so you're admitting, I guess, I just want to verify. You're admitting that a major theater release poster, your system does not work for that because because the poster looks great, but you still might hate the movie.

And so that tells me, I guess, Mike Ergo, I guess my conclusion is that it is a matter of budget then for the post right for the marketing. I mean, you're well, it's not necessarily true because if this was a direct, if this was not a wide release film, and I saw this, I would say, I would say the same thing. I would say, Oh, you know, there's something I like, but there's something I don't like. This is what I will call a weight in Z. I'm not about to freaking knock it down.

I'm not about to say it's a turn and I'm not about to say, yeah, that might be good. That's one that I would file away, but I'm not in a meal. You're going to dismiss it. It was one that it would be one that I would file away and then I would wait till a few people saw it for a few weeks and then I would look at the letter box reviews and then I would make it from there. But yes, of course, it is about budget. There's no question.

But if you're a filmmaker, if you're someone that makes horror movies and you probably have some background in it and they've seen posters and other movies over the years, over the years, and you are at least a little bit well versed in the genre, you should be able to see other movies covers and say, yeah, those aren't good. That never works.

I'm not going to do this on my cover where a movie that comes to the theater, it's always going to look at least good because of what because of budget, you're right. But I don't claim to have the, that's what I'm saying. It's, it's just like a movie that comes to Netflix or shutter. Same thing. Same thing. Like for example, if bag had, if bag had one, it'd have been a shutter movie.

If it just would have dropped someplace else unknown to anybody and it came out, I would have took a look at that poster and said, I don't think so. But it's a shutter movie. I just look at that poster, Dave. I just looked at that. Same thing. Same thing. See, that's what I'm saying.

But see, when it comes to shutter or Netflix, a major thing that's made for them, just like with the theater, it's, again, I don't know how much of a budget bag had had or, or, but I can tell you what, if I just saw that sitting on a shelf or sitting just whatever of an iTunes or ever people rent movies and saw that, I would immediately say no. Okay. But because it's a shutter movie, it's out the window, same thing with Netflix, Netflix movies, it's out the window.

They all, it doesn't count for them. These are specifically for what I said before that people, you know, just move, they're not going to be playing wide release. So Jay, you're definitely not wrong when you say that. It is about budget, but it's, I don't know if I can articulate any better than I have. It's how I think it's. I think it's. But if you're not, if you're not, you're not going to be playing a budget, there's more of a chance that the filmmakers involved in the marketing.

Then if it's a big budget. Yes. You know, I don't think in my channel, I had any input, well, maybe it's the producer, I don't know, but they usually don't get involved with the marketing of the movie. It's handled by, you know, studios use, you know, outside sources for that. They go to marketing professionals for that. Filmmaker himself is involved at least to some degree in the process. So can they do something imaginative with the poster?

And if they can't do something imaginative with the poster, how good is the movie going to be? Mm hmm. Right. Yes. Okay. I'm going to skip a little bit here because I'm going to make sure there are certain ones I want to get in in this conversation. We're four in and we're only at the beginning of June. Yeah. Yeah. So this is June 21st. And I think this is, I think this perfectly demonstrates Dave's system, in my opinion. Okay. It's called Blackwater Lane for June, June 21st. Okay. Dock Shock.

Do you see it? Do you see the image, Dave? Sorry. I was on mute. I see the image. Yes. So it's basically, they're trying to, it's the conjuring is what they're going for here obviously because it looks sort of like the poster for the conjuring. And we get, yeah, we got somebody running away here. So judging from this poster, yes or no? Good movie, bad movie. I did, no, it's not exciting me. There's nothing about it. It's not original.

Yeah. Okay. No, I, I, there is a place where the supernatural is real. Oh, well, that's, that's, that's really prolific. Yeah, no, I don't, I, nothing about it. It's, it's, again, it's just ripping off something that had been successful before. Okay. All right. Ron Martin, what do you say, Blackwater Lane? For the sake of brevity of the say, no. No. Absolutely. Yeah. And me, I think this is a perfect example of when you can look at a film's art and be like, nope, that's not going to be good.

Dave Z. Yeah. It's awful for marketing. It's awful. It's, but the thing is this, it doesn't look, but it's not bad artwork just person. Right, right. You don't have to say, but, but I, you know, I normally away around these things and it's the font on Blackwater Lane, the, the color, especially this color is used on so many bad movie covers. Yes. It's that, that weird bluish, whatever it is. Right. Yes. Yeah. Do what I'm telling you.

This is like, you're right, Jay, you nailed it when you said this illustrates everything about it. Yes. It just, it has that look that fog that's there that it never looks good. You can't even good or even a real good picture. You can zoom in on the girl running and it's still not clear. Right. It's done so poorly. Yes. It's put together by people that, oh, God, it's terrible. This is going to be the worst movie probably. Yep. Now, this next one is shocking to me. I had to put this in.

This is a big movie, but this is a shocking example. Okay. Here it is. This is June 28th, a quiet place day one duck shock based on the poster. Yes. Okay. Based just on the poster. No. I mean, it's. Yeah. No, I don't, I don't, I don't love the, I don't go and see it because I'm a big fan of, of the, the previous films. Right. And I would love, I think this is going to be really, I'm looking forward to this one. Yeah. But based on the poster. And this is a, yeah, this is a big budget one too.

And this is what they came up with. Yeah. Yes. And stay quiet, stay alive. If I had not seen the previous films and, or if this was, if this was actually the first in the series, it would not be jumping out of me and saying, yeah, just from the poster now. Yeah. Okay. Ron Martin. No, that all looks completely like AI created to me. Yes. If you went to like, you know, an AI server and said create a poster for a quiet place three, this is what they would come up with.

This is, this is number four technically. That maybe happened. Yes. Right. Well, and so for me, of course, yeah, I think this poster is very bad for this movie. So I'd say no, based on the poster. I did see the trailer. And of course, I love the franchise, but I think this will be the fourth best quiet, place movie, but this poster is awful. Dave Zee, what do you say? This is one of the worst posters I've seen for something theatrical. I, I'm shocked. I'm looking at this.

Yes, this looks like something that would be like the background. It looks like like an asylum movie freaking type thing. Yeah, it looks like like one of those asylum apocalypse movies. Yeah, dude. Dude, I can't believe. You know what this is going to be? This movie is going to bomb. To me, this reminds me of what was the last condor movie that came out? Condor in three is and I like conjuring one and two. The devil made me do it.

As soon as I saw that poster and as soon as I knew that they're that title, the title, I said, that's not going to be a good movie. And I'll tell you what, I didn't hate it. I watched it and I was fine with it. It wasn't like a third to me. It's like, yeah, but I was like, and anyone else that was getting jazzed about it, I was like, don't be so quick. I think I don't think this is going to be anything like that first two. That's hide-o. I feel about this movie. Ridiculous that title.

I still laugh when I hear that title. Anyways. It's a piss-poor. Yeah. But this is giving me all the same feelings that that conjuring three gave me. Okay. So I don't know if it's going to bomb. I mean, I'm going to say it's going to bomb at the box office. Yeah. I don't know if the movie's going to be that bad, but I don't think it's going to be anything close to the first two. Right. Yeah. And the third movie is decent too. I like the third one. Okay. Third movie. So there's only been two.

Oh, forgive me. I keep saying that, you guys. They're right. Yeah. They're just going to say the same thing. So sorry. So sorry. It was the third one. Forgive me. You're right. There is no third movie. I'm just a little bit. When you said it was going to be the fourth best, I thought you were just. I meant the third best. Really sort of going against it. So it might be. I'm so sorry. Yeah. I'm so sorry. I stand correct. Is anyone from the originals involved in this or have they left?

Because I would think they have to be gone for this to be so bad. I got to look this up. Hold on. Krasinski did it, right? Well, he did the first two, but yeah, I guess I'm saying. Okay. Nope. He's not here. Director Michael Sarnaski. See there. He goes. Just like the country. He told the story he wanted to tell. And now they're saying, yeah, but we can make more money on this because of how good those popular, those first two were. So let's just have someone else. Mm-hmm. Yep. That's it.

Okay, I've got another very interesting case for you guys. I think it's interesting. Anyway, this is a, this is, um, so we're talking about poster art here. And this is Maxine July 5th. Okay. Doc Shock, look at the poster and tell your thoughts. All right. I, this is a tough one because this is a day one watch for me because I'm such a fan of the first two. Yes. And it looks just like the ending of Pearl. I mean, this, they set this up for the ending of Pearl. I think that same image there.

Did they not? Mm-hmm. I believe so. Yeah, we've seen it. We've seen this image. Yes. Yeah, we've seen this image before. Yeah. I mean, this is based on just the poster. Yeah. I, it's hard for me to base it on just poster though because I've been waiting for this movie to come out. So. Right. Okay. So I, I like, I will see this on, on day one. I, you know, yeah. But if all you had was, I mean, if I, I don't think it's a terrible poster, but I don't, you know, I don't know what, I don't know.

I like it when they're cagey when they don't give things away like the hangman. You see the monster right there. Right. The black water road one. Oh, it's a house and people are running away from us. So it's obviously a supernatural film. I can't tell you what this movie is going to be about looking at the poster. And that doesn't treat me. Right. Okay. So you would say yes, then, to the poster.

I would say, I would say yes, but it's hard for me to divorce my opinion on the first two movies from, from this one. Yes. Okay. Ron, let's hear it. This is better. I would go see this. I like the triple X on the middle. The play on the Hollywood sign. Mm hmm. I didn't see Pearl. I only saw X. So I would, I would go see this though. Okay. Yeah. Same. I think, I think this is a great movie poster. However, I don't think it's a good horror movie poster.

Like if I'm looking for a horror movie, nothing about that poster tells me horror. But yes, the poster is very good in general for a movie poster. Okay. Dave Z. Well, I'll say this. Well, first and foremost, I, no one's going to be in line before me to see this movie. I haven't looking. I know you especially have been really waiting for this. You've avoided everything about it. Just. Oh, yeah. I don't want to see a picture. Nothing. No, I haven't.

I'm almost setting myself off a failure because I haven't looked, been looking so forward to a movie. The last time I looked forward to a movie this much would have probably been when Star Wars first came back with the first of the, the three new ones. Yeah. You know, but since then, I can't imagine and I didn't want to know anything about that. No picture, no nothing. But yeah, I mean, me as my girl and I love the first two. And you know, it's great to see that she's on the big screen.

And of course, I'm going to be first in line. I'm going to the very first showing on a cool, what I have to do. I'm going to be there. But to the poster itself, I'm going to say this, it's plain, but it's not poor. But I, I do understand what you're saying about it being a horror poster. I guess it may not be the smartest decision for marketing because this is coming to theaters. And just to see that, you may not even know there was a first two.

You don't know the only people that are going to know are people that are going to know that are aware of the first two and know that this is, you know, the third in a trilogy here. So in a way, if people find out it's a horror movie and they have just a plain thing like that and it's just somebody's name, people that are going out on a Friday night to see the newest horror movie and they see that and it's one.

I don't think this is going to, you know, dissuade them that I can say, well, I don't want to see that look. It doesn't look horror or something, but I 100% know what you're saying, Jay. It's it's plain, but it's not poor. I'm repeating myself on that. And, you know, but again, it's the same shot we saw. It was the trailer we saw at the end of Pearl. So for the true fans of it, it's speaking to them. It's just like, oh, cool.

But do you know what it looks like to me more than a sequel to X and Pearl? It actually looks more like a sequel to Boogie Knights. Okay. This is a Hollywood story. It's about porn because it's got triple X. But anyway, it's awesome poster. Okay. Well, it's a similar thing like Boogie Knights. It's going to take place there. Yeah. And she's going to be in the adult film industry and that time. So it's almost going for that vibe. That's right. So that's kind of spot on.

So maybe, yeah, maybe that's what they were doing. Okay. Here's one that's surprisingly challenging, I think. This is interesting. Okay. Here it is. It's called lumina or lumina. Let me let me, I think it's lumina. Let me know when you see a Dave Duck chuck. I got it. Okay. This poster, it's a, an astronaut helmet with a skull inside basically. Yes. You're the light. Yeah. I don't disagree with you. This is not certainly, it's certainly better than most of the other ones.

We've, I haven't heard of this one. By the way, I've not seen anything about it. I like how they sort of did the text, you know, sort of blacking out some of the letters there. We almost alien like the original alien, like building the building the letter. It's, yeah, I would probably, I would probably see this one. You say yes. Okay. I say yes. All right. Ron. No, this looks awful. I really use it. It's got that Hollywood orange movie past your tent now.

Yeah. Yeah. See, for me, ultimately, I decide no. I think the concept is a good idea. I love sci-fi horror, but I think judging by the way this is executed, I'm suspecting that they're, they're going to be lower budgeted. And I'm going to say no. Dave Zee, what do you say? Yeah. I'm going to say no as well. And I have to echo what, what Ron said about some of the coloring with it. It's something, something is off. But and this is going to sound petty, but this is my method.

So something about the way that Skull looks doesn't, doesn't sit right with me. It's, well, it's, it's not the right size for that helmet. I don't think honestly. Honestly. I'm, I'm serious. I understand what you're saying, but the same thing. Yeah. I don't think they make helmets based on, you know, they don't form fit helmets, Jay. But I'm, I'm, I'm not for astronauts.

I'm just saying like if that's an astronaut helmet, then that is a four year old, a four year old child's skull, not an adult astronaut. I'll give you that. Yes. The skull is, the skull is definitely a little too small for the, uh, helmet. Okay. It's a cheap, it's a cheap way to show the whole skull or most of the skull. Otherwise, they couldn't do it.

If this was going to be like real life, all we would see is like maybe from the middle of the nose and down to the jaw, which is a little bit of a jaw, but we want to show you the eyes and the nose, but the thing is something about the way it looks, the design of that skull just shows to me cheap because I don't know it. And in fact, I would even go so far to say, and we've already had one of these examples earlier when you were talking about that death movie.

Typically horror films with a skull on the cover don't, don't end up being very good, I think. Well, honestly, I, I, I, I, evil dead too is an exception. All right. But, but honestly, that's an exception. Hold on a minute. I'm a huge fan of skulls and skeletons and have been since I was a wee child, right? And I would say that if you look around my house here, I probably have a whole bunch of, uh, skulls on the postures.

And I'm not saying every poster and every VHS is that I have happens to be a good movie, but I'm just telling you this, Tales from the Crypt has a skull. That's a good movie. Popcorn has a skull. Yeah. That's a decent movie. Let me turn around. Creep show. The creep is kind of a skull. Hold on. I mean, look behind me, visiting hours has a skull. That's I, it's, it's okay. I could be, I could be wrong. But let me just say Dave, we're turned a horror high.

Take it or leave it for if you're a slasher fan. There are, there are two of the greatest of all, the greatest poster of all. Agreed. I love that post. But, but, but so I'm just saying that there are a ton of, um, of low budget, like no name that, that they've incorporated a skull like in the smoke or in the mist or whatever. And it's on the poster and it's terrible. I, I just think that if we had a way to look at all of them, I think the number of bad movies without number, the good ones.

But good examples right off the cuff right there. That was good. Okay. And then that, um, I have very strong, very strong feelings about. Okay. This is for long legs. This movie comes out July 12. Okay. Doc Shaw. It looks like somebody just, this looks like something they put together in there on their computer. This does not look good at all. And what, what is it about? Okay. Long legs. I like to look at the, uh, tagline also. Does it even have a tagline? I can't even see it.

I can't even really read it. Um, no. So I would say absolutely not. This is, and this is, this actually is something that they're going. They're being kind of cagey. They're not telling you anything about the movie, which I said I normally like, but this just looks very, very poorly done. And it does, there's nothing about it that makes me want to see the movie. Okay. Thank you. Ron, what about this poster? Long legs. That's a person. It's a woman running with her covering her mouth, by the way.

Go ahead. Is she running? I thought she was standing still. She's covering her mouth to the day long legs don't get inside of it. Okay. So what do you say, Ron, when this, uh, I believe I've also watched a poor no called long legs. Some point. That probably was a better movie than this one's going to be. Okay. So you say no from this poster? I say no to the horror movie. Yes, to the poor no. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. All right. Here's the thing.

If I were judging on this one poster, I'd say no, but I did see the trailer for this. This is going to be in the top five horror movies of the year. I bet you this is one to see everybody from the trailer, but they've done a horrible job on this poster. Maybe they're trying not to give anything away. Dave Z. What are you saying? Well, this is unfair because I had been this is another one. Like scene was my number one, but there's like three movies I waited to see in this one.

It's been on my radar for a very long time because Osgood Perkins is three for three for me. I love Jesus. You see now, if I had known it was as Perkins, this is one I'll definitely be saying that yes. Yeah. So it's unfair because I have bias already. I don't want trailers, of course, but as soon as anything he's doing, I'm going to watch because I, you know, I like him.

But I'll say this, if I, it is definitely not great, but if it would have been a movie that isn't playing at theaters that was just, you know, popping up on Prime to Rent or whatever, there is a little bit of creativity with the font and with the colors. If you look at long legs and the way the letters are being used, they're stuck together closer on long, but legs is a little further apart. There's something at hand here.

It's not just taking that regular old red that you sometimes see on these poor movies. And it's hard to explain unless you, unless we saw an example, I don't know if we've seen an example of that, that typical bad type of font that I see on a lot of these movies tonight. So this is a movie. If you just have a picture of somebody like that, it's almost like you could go either away from me.

Sometimes people tell me that they, they, they, I've heard people say it on podcasts, even, this would definitely fail the Dave's E cover test. And I'm listening to the podcast and I'm like, no, you're wrong. You don't get the Dave's E cover test then. There are other entristities here that aren't that this isn't offensive to me. Like other ones have been, but I, but I cannot sit here and tell you that if I saw this, I would be like, oh, yeah, that's a great cover because it's definitely not.

It's middle of the pack, but I have a bias because I already want to see the movie. It's artistically done. I mean, it's shot well. I mean, you can tell from the photography, but I'm just saying a person covering her mouth isn't inherently like engaging. But yes, I agree. Okay. But you're going to say yes on this one or no, because I have background information because I'm waiting for the movie. So it's a little. But I did not know that this was us Perkins next film.

How it was I would, I would definitely be seeing this as well. And you know what? I don't, I don't really like the fuck because it says I was good. I'm not talking about Perkins right then now that I'm looking at it, but I couldn't tell that at first. However, Dave Z, though, let me go back to you real quick on this. I saw the trailer. I think it's going to be in my probably top three, maybe I'm predicting for the year, but I still say no to the poster.

So if you were judging the poster alone, what do you say? Yeah. Is that's the question? If I just saw this poster with no knowledge, it would be one of those middle of the pack. Okay. I don't hate it. Yes, but I don't like it either. Okay. All right. Fair enough. It's a wait and Z. Okay. We just have a couple more. You guys have a time for four more real quick. I just, yeah. Okay. I was not a cook for. We'll keep moving. That's a few. It's a few. Okay. All right.

This is M night Shyamalan's trap. And yes, he is doing this film, not his daughter. Okay. Dog Shock. Try again. I'm supposed to give it a chance from the poster. Or just because it says M night Shyamalan. You have to take into account that in night Shyamalan's name is real big on the poster. I think. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So I would, I kind of like what they did with the eyes on the, um, see, I'm going to try to defend it now because I'm going to see it. No, I don't know that it's a great poster.

I don't think we've seen any great posters here. Yeah. Well, this is one as soon as I see the name, I'm like, I'm going to give it a chance. I'm not going to go in thinking it's going to be a great movie, but I'm going to see it. Okay. I'm going to see it. Good. All right. Ron, what do you say when the poster? I agree with Dog Shock. This is a good poster. I like the fact that the word trap has these dudes eyes in it. And there's a big crowd underneath them. So I don't even know what that means.

And it's kind of mysterious. And I kind of like it. Okay. Yeah. For me, um, having Shyamalan's name on the poster is, is yes, someone. I'm going to watch whatever he puts out, of course, because he does my all time favorite movie. And I am aware of the premise of this ahead of time. And I love the premise. So I'm hoping he doesn't screw it up. So yes, I'm saying yes, Dave Zee, what do you say to trap?

Well, putting the Shyamalan aside, although I will say I probably am a bigger fan of Shyamalan than than even you Jay, because I've liked everything he's done since he's come back with the visit, all of them. So I like all that stuff where everybody may not. But, um, objectively, this is what I'm doing. I put it up on IMDB. I covered the Shyamalan and the heart and all that stuff on top and just seeing that as a movie. I would, I would definitely not say this is going to be a bad movie.

I'm not over the moon about it for one reason only. I like the way trap looks. And I love the red and all about that. The eyes, all that looks cool. Something about when you zoom in and you see the crowd, the animation doesn't look like it doesn't look great to me. Just does not. But this is a movie that if it came up, I wouldn't be opposing. I don't love it. But I wouldn't be like the other ones where I've said, oh, they're deterred. There was like three or four that I told you right away.

Oh, bad. Right. No, I would not say that about this. And I would not have said that about long legs either to go back to that one. So yeah, sure, the answer is yeah. Okay. Good. All right. Next one. This one's another important one for this year. We put this on your list. It's Kuku. Okay. Doc Shock, do you see the poster for Kuku? It's a woman with a head wrap and she's bleeding here. It's called. Yes or no in this post. Hi. I don't know. I don't know. It's not jumping out at me.

It's not something that I've got to see. I think we're learning a lot about movie posters here about about modern movie posters. Masterclass movie posters. Yeah. I just they don't really know and who's the quote from at the top? I can't see. I can't enlarge it. I'm looking on my laptop here. Mashable. Mashable, it says increasingly twisted, incredibly strange and deviously fun. Man, it's a mashable. Mashable. Okay. So they had to go to like, like when you see a quote from like a.o.

Scott or something like that, you tend to think it's been been, you know, just some random quote from Mashable is who it is. Yeah. Okay. No, I'm going to say no based on the poster. Boy, I'm glad I don't buy movie posters anymore. Okay. I'm glad I stopped like 15 years ago. All right. Doc says no. Ron, what do you say to Kuku? I think this looks like a throwback to those 80s and early 90s video straight to video artwork where you find a movie like this and it's surprisingly decent.

I would give this a shot because of that. Yes. And if I were going for me, if I were judging the poster alone, the fact that like a sleep awakening, well, the fact that her face, she looks very concerned or surprised or something, but there's what she's bleeding. But they're well, that's where I was going. There is. Yeah. The fact that there is blood coming out and even though it's a little bit of blood that tells me there's something seriously amiss here. So I'm saying yes.

Now I did see the trailer to this. And it's I think it's going to be right up there behind long legs. I think it's not as good as long legs, but I think it's going to be up there. Okay. Dave Z. And you're making me very happy. I don't watch trailers because because you're putting your list together based on trailers. Well, I'm predicting the trailer game. He does the trailer. Do you like I do the box? I'm predicting.

I'm predicting because I'm like, okay, horror movies I got to see this year before the end of the year. Definitely long legs. Definitely Kuku. That's how I do it. But go ahead Dave Z. Yes or no in that. This may this may be surprising, but I like this. I like this poster. And I'll tell you why a turd would never take the time to have the thing that's on her head. The bandage with the way the writing looks the Kuku and as the you know, the actors names that it in stuff.

A turd would never do that. That's too clever. There's too much work that goes into that. This was a turd, it would just say Kuku across the thing and they wouldn't take the extra time to do that. So even though it's a little plain, it's just the face. It's all about the bandage at the top, the fonts for Kuku and the time they took to put that in there that way and then had a little bit of blood coming down there and then just that little tiny thing at the bottom is his fear.

It's called which may not be great, but it's small. It isn't like it's there's just something about it. It's not. It's not my favorite of the night, but it's one that if I saw, I say, well, I can tell you this. I don't think it's going to be a turd. So this is a movie to me that just by going, this is where I can play the rating game where I can look and I'll say, I don't think this movie is going to be below a 6.5 for me. That's what I can tell you. So it's going to be at least worth my time.

So that I was waiting for something to happen tonight where and Dave was the only one that said that I was waiting for one to come up or everybody, you know, freaking crap done and I said, no, no, no, hold on. Let me tell you why. So I'm hoping that at least Dave can hear what I'm saying when I say that. Maybe he'll think differently about it. But I was hoping this would happen. It's just a shock. You guys were okay with it. But do you see what I'm saying when I say that? What you're saying?

Yes. I see what you're saying. Okay. I'll say that now. This one is the piece of the resistance. Never. Whatever you call this one is you didn't have to put peace. You didn't have to put law in it. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Alien Romulus. Okay. Dog Shock. Look at this poster. You there, Dave. You're on mute. Dog Shock. If you can hear us. All right, man. I don't like this movie poster. If I had, if I didn't know the alien franchise, I wouldn't go see this.

I probably wouldn't go see this anyway because it's the last you alien movies. Really? Really. Okay. I mean, this is no different to me than, you know, if that was a straight to DVD or straight to streaming movie and it was a bad werewolf, Joel. No. Okay. Fair enough. That's bold. I mean, that's saying what I like. You're acting like I have no, you know, history of the franchise. Yeah. Right.

And see, for me, I'm, if you compare and contrast this with the hangman where it shows the monster, this only shows a port. This is using what a fourth or a fifth of the poster for one thing to show us the monster is bottom jaw and like that. I mean, basically that's it. But it's so bold and there's drool coming down. I'm saying yes. Now I know it's hard to separate ourselves from our knowledge of alien, but I think this is a bold display of an intriguing monster depiction. So I'm saying yes.

If that were a shutter original called blue pine and that was a wolf jaw, would you still feel inclined? Well, it doesn't look much like a werewolf. No. I said, it's it was a wolf. No. What would it look as good a wolf jaw as this looks an alien jaw? I mean, it's just good. I mean, what the alien looks like. I know, but I'm just saying like that's a quality alien jaw. You got to admit, right? So I'm just saying if you had a werewolf jaw that looked, it looked like that. Is that really in jaws?

All really? Okay. I love you, Ron. Okay. I'm back. I freaking hate Skype. I had no idea how to take myself off mute that disappeared and I couldn't find pain in the ass. But anyway, welcome. Well, alien Romulus. Alien Romulus. I'm going to see it because I'm a fan of the franchise. You loved the last one, Jay. I know that covenant. Yes. You loved covenant. So is that coloring your opinion of this poster?

Well, I love resurrection too, but but but no, I was just explaining that it's the monster design is good enough and they're bold enough just to show a portion of it that I go for it. Even though the majority of this is just black space, wasted space. Yeah. You just see a little bit of it, but I mean, like I think we all know what the alien looks like. Right. Right. So that would, yeah, I mean, I'm a fan of the franchise. So I would, I would, I would check it out. Okay. Thank you.

Dave Z. Okay. Well, see, this is unfair for my game. It's now for because number one, it's a franchise. And number two, it's basically doing what the other movies in this franchise have done by having, even if you look at the first alien, you have the egg there and you have the black background and you have the word alien at the bottom, right? And I feel as if I've seen this poster before, like maybe other movies in the franchise possibly have one very similar to this or something else.

So just because it's a wide release movie, it's in the, you know, and I mean, it's a franchise, a very well known franchise that there's going to be a lot of money behind it. So for me to give an honest opinion, it's not, it's not how I play the cover game. I can't do it. But I mean, I guess it's kind of what, what else you're going to do at this point? I think they're trying to keep it more closer to the original ones by doing this and by heavy. And like, what are we going to do next guys?

We've done this, this, and this on the covers. What's going to be cool? That's not going to look too cheesy and kind of takes it back to the originals. And I mean, yes, that's the answer here. That's why they did this. But I'm also going to say, I 100% know what Ron was saying.

If this was a movie called Whatever, and it was a werewolf on just on the top, I don't know that it sells anything to me, but even if it's a good looking werewolf, but Dave Z, you know, the question is, what if it showed just the xenomorphs weener? Well, at least that's a little more that would be a very bold marketing to say, that's for sure. I think Ron would see it. Right, Ron? Ron, I'm pretty sure I have seen that movie. I need you to say that.

Okay, so Dave Z judging on this poster, then you would, because, because compare this to the Hangman one, if you saw those two monster movies in the video story, you'd rent this one, sure. Of course, this is better than the Hangman one. Yeah, no question. Yes, I mean, it's better than Blackwater Lane. It's better than insane like me. It's better than in violent nature. Yes, okay. But it doesn't count because of but still it's just saying that, yes, I agree. It's better.

Okay. All right, last one, last one, guys. This one is a very good one to debate here. This is called stream. Comes out August 21st. Doc Shock, let's say you, and here we have another skeleton face. Okay. What on the ground points on the board? Oh, all right, so it's almost, I guess they're going for, it's almost like a death race 2000 type of thing. It looks like just a stab at a franchise. Now it's kind of clever what they're doing off to the left there.

Like what, what would you describe that as for the list? It's almost like, is it, is it almost like that, the matrix effect? Is it like looking at code or something? I, I interpret it since it's called stream. It looks like it's slow loading streaming video. Oh, I see, I see it's like static. Well, what's it called when it's, what's it called? The current equivalent of static buffering. Is it, is it, is it buffering? What's that called you guys? I see what you're talking about.

Yes. Yeah. It's not going to make me run out to see it, but I don't, this is not, one of, it's not a bad poster. I'm going to say. Okay. So you'll say yes. All right. I'll say yes. All right. Ron, what do you say? This one's kind of up in the air. I could see this maybe being okay. But I'm going to air on the side of caution. My first reaction was no. Yeah. Yeah. Me, I'm going to say no as well. Dave Zee, what do you say?

Yeah, I'm definitely going to say no. When I first saw the, just the face, it was in immediate turn off before I saw anything else. Now in its defense, I'll say one good thing. I do like the stream. I like that logo of the movie. I think that actually looks kind of cool. But okay. Okay. The cover of it. I know. I don't like it. And as I click this button here, let me tell you who's in this movie. This ties into everything I said before. I know who's in.

Jeffrey Combs, Tim Reed, Bob A.D. and Terry Elgz and her Danielle Harris, Mark Holton, Terry Kaiser, Tony Todd. See all these people. Yeah. Don't forget about it, man. Forget about it. It's going to be. See, I'm not doing that. I'm just going strictly from the post. Yeah. Doc Shock wasn't cheating Dave Zee. Well, I already said no. I know. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Just on the face. Yes, yes. But then.

But again, I also said, my other game was that when all those people are in the movie, steer clear. But yeah, the poster alone, I did give it a little props because I like, like I said, the logo of the stream, but that face in the way it looks does nothing for me. Skull face. Now when I saw that cast, it just reassured. It yeah, it's almost like Chrome skull, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, exactly. All right, Lister's. Well, that's been our concept discussion today.

And I have a feeling Dave Zee that other horror vendors might want to weigh in on this, including Watson, for example. So maybe if we get enough Lister feedback on this, can let us know your thoughts, your questions, or whatever you think. Maybe there are horror filmmakers out there who want to raise hell with us. And we rank our worst of the worst of the ones. It's got to be insane like me. I say that's got to be the worst. Honestly, I would see. I can carry with Doc Shock.

I would see insane like me and the hangman and the hangman before I would see Blackwater Lane. Blackwater Lane is a 3.5 snooze fest. I predict agreed. I'm not saying, yeah, I'm not going to see that one either, but I would definitely steer clear of insane like me. Okay. Well, those are the worst three though. I agree with you, Jay. Those are probably the worst three. And I loved doing this. And if we do it again, that would be great. But next time I want to put a wrinkle in it next time.

Just direct to video, just nothing for the theater, just the stuff that all of us fans, all of us horror fans are always searching for the big independent hit and what's coming out. And these are the ones that usually pop up on social media. Someone will say, I'm going to watch this movie tonight. And most of the time when they say I'm going to watch it tonight, they're not at a theater. It's a new movie they had dropped on streaming or whatnot. And that's when I usually weigh in.

I'll say, yeah. No, I never mess with anybody. I don't put negativity into the world. But if somebody asks, what do you think about this or someone asks a question, I'll say this definitely says avoid to me. Okay. And then I'll leave it at that. But if we could try to find other ones because that, I mean, the road, what I say, road would lean, what was that other one? That was like a perfect, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that one is a perfect type of example of that type of cover in those type of movies.

And I even sent one to you guys in chat in text, not too long ago. Yes. And I don't know if you guys remember because it came on my MB and I looked, what the hell was that movie? Because I really want someone to watch these movies and challenge me. I'm always like, somebody proved me wrong. What the hell was this one? Slotterhouse, oh, that was the pig one. Okay. Well, that's going to be bad. Slotterhouse. Oh, I'm in for that. You know, I am. Yeah. Going to be bad. I put a pig on it and J.Z.

Possession is going to be bad. No, but I took a picture of one where the heck is it? Son of a gun. I wish I could find it. But something came up on the thing and I said, I dare anyone to watch this movie. This movie is going to be terrible. And I saw it right away and I get that all here. It is called Bloodline Killer. Look that one off at the 2024 movie. It is absolutely going to be a freaking turd. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. And skull face. It has a skull face as well, by the way.

Those are cheap skulls, though, Jay. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, I think that there are some artists out there who are like, all horror film. Okay, definitely skull. It's like, no, dude, if we're making a pirate movie, you can put a skull on crossbow. Don't do skulls on every single horror poster. Yes. Modern days forget skulls. Anything from the 80s and 70s. I'm a thumbs up on skulls. Fair enough. Deal. Deal. It's the one, the one in your slaughterhouse on the hill. Get a pig movie.

Yeah. Yeah. I see that. But by the way, Dave Z, this movie that you're dog and one bloodline killer, it has your girlfriend, Shawnee Smith in it, just saying. Well, there you go. If Shawnee Smith is in a movie, not called Saul, these days, it's going to be bad. All right. She's another one. She's another one. I love her. But I'm sorry. That's just where they're at. God bless them. I'm happy they're making money. But people, it's probably going to be a bad movie. There you have it.

If anybody watches these movies and they want to email us, just say it. I want to know. It's called Saul Astrid. That was bad. Oh, here we go. All right, Lister. By the way, once again, we have not seen any of these movies we just discussed. So our ratings are still out. The jury's out. But we're just judging posters. Let us know what you think of us, Judgmental Bastards. Thank you. So as of right now, it's Halloween again. And I'm going through my Halloween list of things to watch.

And I have all of these special times within the Halloween season two that I like to touch on. And one of them is the full moon. The full moon in October, I try to watch a Wolfman movie. So I've been doing this for a few years now. And the opportunity came up this year to do a Wolfman movie. And I've also been going through the Universal Monster movies and kind of starting as far back as I can and moving up. And I had not yet seen Frankenstein meets the Wolfman. And so I got that in.

And what's so interesting to me about these movies is an hour and 14 minute runtime. I mean, that's all that is a short feature. But it's so funny to me that this is called Frankenstein meets the Wolfman when it really should be called the Wolfman meets Frankenstein because even though this runtime is so short, you really feel like it's been an hour or something like that before you even hear a Frankenstein. So it's a lot of Wolfman stuff happening up front.

I will say this movie starts out so strong, so strong. You've got this amazing grave robbery scene which goes wrong. And one thing that I noticed a few years ago, I was realizing that almost all of our monsters that we have during Halloween are some version of a back from the dead. Because I was thinking, I wish I could get eventually in my front yard for Halloween decorations, a giant really slick black coffin that's tapered at the top and bottom for the shoulders, that classic vampire look.

And it would be on my lawn and it would open up an outcome of vampire. But I'd also have a metal box looking thing with bolts in it and stuff. And that would open up. And Frankenstein would come out. And then I would have a wooden box and a ghost would come out and stuff like that as realizing man, almost all of our monsters are some sort of reanimated living dead something. Except for the Wolfman, the Wolfman is a living thing.

But this movie kind of changes that in a very serious way where it's like the Wolfman, if he really can't die unless you shoot him with that silver bullet, then or I guess in our case with these Wolfmans, you got to take him with a silver cane and really crack him over the skull, which happens in the earlier Wolfman movie with the Universal. But if you don't do that, they don't die.

And even if they're dead and you bury them, you come back years later, they're going to rise from the tomb just like these other monsters. And so that's what we get with this opening scene. And it's so cool. And it's just so Halloweeny. And I will say that this looked awesome. So I was able to watch this on the peacock premium and the black and white looks so good.

It's been interesting lately when I've realized that some of these old movies, if you watch the trailer on YouTube, then you're really getting an unrestored trailer. So you're getting this really beaten up old footage that is so scratchy and so dusty and all these other things. But then when you watch the movie itself, it's just absolutely beautiful. The black and white looks great.

And so even though this is 1943 and the biggest reason they probably decided to shoot this in black and white was it's cheaper. Oh, even though that's probably the decision here, it looks so good and black and white. And I will say the other huge positive for me is there is something so wonderful about Lon Cheney Jr. as playing the Wolfman. He is the Wolfman to me. And the way he plays it is so good because he does this so well where he's a good guy. He does not want to hurt people.

It's unmovable occasions. He's almost trying to get himself arrested and trying to get himself in a place where if the moon comes and he changes into a wolf, he will be able to keep people safe. And in this one, he goes to the extreme where he thinks to himself, you know what, I've just been dug up basically, not really dug up.

I mean, he's in a crypt, he's not in your classic six feet under grave, but you know, he's just been, you know, his coffin opened after years of being based, you know, everyone believed he was dead that he's realizing this is going to be difficult. And I've got to figure out a kind of supernatural way to take my own life because I'm sick of hurting people. I've got to permanently remove myself from this earth so that I'm not hurting people. And he plays it so well, he plays it so well.

And such a likable person, you know, and you know, as this movie continues, then we get this really interesting idea where he's he's going to find one of the heirs of Frankenstein. You know, one of Franken's Victor Frankenstein's granddaughter. So the scientist, right?

He's looking for this woman who will be able to, you know, help him find and identify his grandfather's work so that he can see if, you know, if Frankenstein, Victor Frankenstein had the secret to life, maybe he also had the secret to death and could, you know, help the wolf man, you know, and his life. And so this movie is great. There's all sorts of stuff going on. There's some pretty classic like people are not believing him, you know, because how in the world could he be back from the dead?

It is interesting how in an hour and 14 minutes, it can sometimes feel slow that there's conversations happening and you're kind of waiting for the next scene to happen. So that does happen a few times in this movie. In fact, before I jumped on here, I was, I was going to tell you that the poster is a little misleading false advertising because on the poster, you see wolf man fighting Frankenstein.

And, but Frankenstein meets the wolf man is definitely the accurate title because you could not call this Frankenstein versus the wolf man because that's not exactly what happens. But I was going to say to you guys, they never once fight throughout this whole movie.

But then as I was showing laying in bed and I was showing my son the trailer, I was reminded, oh yeah, there is a scene at the very, very, very end for just a quick moment that these do actually go head to head and start fighting in kind of the climatic moments. So there is an all fairness to the poster. There is a fight. But on the other hand, I did forget about it with how brief it was. And I just watched this a few days ago. So that may not speak to how well the fight scene plays out.

But it is kind of interesting to see, you know, the wolf man comes to the place where the Frankenstein monster was originally created, you know, made and we're still living in this universe. This monster verse where, you know, in this town, they are convinced that they got rid of the monster. They were able to burn him up in the windmill. But we find out that, you know, of course, Frankenstein survived. He's been frozen in ice, you know, Godzilla style or whatever.

I guess there's been lots of monsters that have been frozen in ice. It's a very clever and cool way to preserve your monster right. And so I'm just realizing, maybe they should have done that for the Halloween franchise, rather than him just being hidden in the sewer for a while. But anyway, so Frankenstein has frozen in ice.

The wolf man finds, you know, this castle that's been since destroyed, but there's still secret openings and things to wear his journals and his writings and all these things are. And by the way, there's this great character throughout this movie. Patrick Nol's place is Doctor that, oh, he's awesome. He really cares about Loncini's character and is trying so hard to help him. And then, you know, he follows him to, you know, on the wolf man's quest to find all these secrets of the Frankenstein.

He follows him and he is able to play the part of the Frankenstein, you know, kind of working the machines once he finds the secrets as well. So because, you know, the wolf man and Frankenstein's monster need to be strapped to the metal plates and all that stuff. So we do get that. And that's awesome. And by the way, the monster played by Bella Legosi. So that's kind of fun and an interesting twist.

I still think there's something about Bella Legosi that, oh, my gosh, he was born to play Dracula. But he does a great job as the monster here. And you really don't see that. You're not thinking that it's him. And I think that's a positive. And he does seem towering and tall. I know they always put the, you know, four inch boots on these guys. But, you know, he's Frankenstein. The other thing I will say is we do get the recreation of one of my all time.

If not, you know what I think it is, I'm going to say that it is. My favorite moment in cinema history is when it's the most powerful moment to me is in the original Frankenstein movie when this father is carrying his daughter through the streets and his daughter's arms and legs, her limbs are limp and just, you know, because of his walking, they're, they're flopping back and forth and she is dead. She is 100% dead.

He is 100% devastated and beside himself, I mean, where is he going with this corpse of his daughter? It's insane. But I mean, that's what where you would be in your frame of mind. If you're, if you came across your daughter and she were deceased, she were dead. And it's so powerful because, you know, as he's walking through the streets, he's originally by himself and then the crowds on either side start to follow him. You know, and so that's the original Frankenstein movie.

We get exactly similar imagery here, which is awesome. But what's cool is when they confront this father and they say, hey, did the monster do this? What's cool about this is we get a, no, some vicious animal has done something to her neck. And so we get the impression that no, the wolfman did this. But again, is there Frankenstein wolfman fighting in this one? At first, I mean, they're almost like buddies and not even in like, you know, they're going to go destroy the world.

They're just like friends who are trying to honestly help each other. It's kind of the impression you first get when he's able to pull the monster out of the ice and he's just trying to get the monster to show him where the journals are and, you know, things like that. So it's so interesting. But I will say this has a absolutely grand finale. And there's something so charming because we get this epic scene where we have a miniature of the castle ruins.

And there's something so charming about those miniatures in these movies and again, looks incredible in black and white. I am loving every second of the black and whiteness of this movie. But I will say, and I'm kind of glad that I've coined this phrase. It ends quicker than a kung fu movie. But it's just like, you know, in those old kung fu movies, the second you knocked the bad guy over the main character with throw their hands up in the air and it would say the end. It's not even credits.

It's just boom. 10 seconds and we're done. And that is what we get here. And in some ways, it's great because this is a kind of a bite size motion pictures. It's something you can definitely throw in. Even if you're tired and you're like, I don't know if we have time for a full movie. Well, guess what? Hour and 14 minutes. And you get a climax. You get a great movie. But it's really compact in all that way. So I guess I'll move into my final thought. I feel like I could go on forever about this.

But so for me, I ultimately did love the charm of this movie and I'm giving it a 78 out of 100. And I'm saying, strong rental recommendation. This is perfect to watch. You know, just like I did, we until it's a full moon and watches in the middle of the night when the moon is, you know, streaming through your windows and it's Halloween season. And you will enjoy this.

I mean, this is the sort of thing I've seen people do this where they, you know, they put up their Halloween decorations, which is great. But I've seen people like get their projector out or they'll put their TV in front of their big, you know, bay window in the front of their house and they'll play something like thriller. But I've also seen people play, you know, Abbot and Castello meet Frank and Stein, that sort of thing.

This would be a great option for like, you just want some Halloween thing in the background. That's so cool to me. This is very Halloweeny, I say definitely rent it, but this would be a great one to own because I think that you would enjoy it watching it and revisiting it for Halloween's to come. The following review contains spoilers for humongous 1982. Because here on Dog Island, something evil has been growing for 30 years. All right, Jay of the Dead here and this is our feature presentation.

The main event, this is when we do a group review and presently with me is Dr. Shock, Gilman Joel, Greg Amortist, Ron Martin and Dave Z. Welcome to all the gentlemen. Thank you. This is the most we've had on in a while. In a while? Yes. Yes, this is nuts. So what we're going to do is our John Kenneth Muir review where we go to John Kenneth Muir's books is 70s, 80s, 90s horror films of the decade books. We go round robber and each person takes turns choosing a film.

And this time it was Dave Z's turn to pick a film that might be new to you. Tell us Dave Z, what do you got for us? Okay, this movie is called Humongous. Now really quickly, I chose this movie because I kind of try to do a thing. This would actually have been better served for my slashing through the 80s, of course. But I am trying to kill two birds at one stone.

So all this year, besides whatever I watch for this podcast, I have to watch like 100 plus slasers and probably, I don't know, 50 to 60 movies from 2011 for different shows. 2011 is for 22 shots of Moons and Horror. We're going to do a top 10. And year of the slasher too, unexploding heads where we are going to do year of a slasher again. But this time we are eliminating all slasers that have more than three in the franchise.

So this is going to be more of a top 50 list that we're going to put together based on standalone slasers or you know, if it's three movies or less to get a more of a deep dive into slasers. So with that knowledge, knowing that I have a lot of slasers to watch, I said, well, I'm definitely going to choose a slasher. Now I've seen a whole lot of them, of course. And this one, I was just kind of flipping through the pages because I have difficulty choosing.

Usually I do things on randomizer, like an app to pick the pages, but I was running a little bit behind. I was supposed to give this information a few days at least prior to that. And then Jason, hey, we need to pick on my, oh, yeah, shoot. So I kind of ran downstairs, foot through the books, check this, check that. Okay, I see a slasher. Boom. Humongous. Okay, let's do it. So I've only seen it once before. It was for the first year of the slasher, but that was like back in 2016, I think.

So as far as what our good friend, Mr. Mewer asked to say about this movie, this movie came out in 1982 and basically gives it, gives it two stars. And no fight here, you know, the thing is the person who directed this movie also directed Prominite and a few others. His name is Paul Lynch. As a matter of fact, I'll just read something really quick about the commentary.

And this is what Mr. Mewer says, the no trespassing sign in the forest informs the viewer everything he or she needs to know about humongous. A mountain man slasher style horror film from Paul Lynch. There you go. The director of the above average Halloween knockoff prime, so it's really basic. You have kids. You have young adults, two brothers and a sister, and then two girlfriends of these brothers. And they are out in a boat doing some stuff.

And one thing leads to another and they end up basically kind of shipwrecked in a matter of speaking and are on kind of a desolate type island. Little do they know that somebody is waiting there for them and there you have it. So this is very typical as far as slasher's go for the time, especially 82, that this kind of fits right in. And I like this movie. I do like it. I just, you know, two or three cutaway kills, which is kind of a no-no for me, especially with slasher's.

But there is a charm to it if you're a slasher enthusiast. And I'll just say that, you know, the killer is cool. There's kind of a little bit of a knockoff situation going on there with the Friday the 13th movies and more ways than one. It was censored initially.

And the disc that I have has both versions on it and it's not much longer, but there is a little more gourd and a little more nudity in the opening scene because they kind of have a, you know, an opening that's, it's weird because the place that they're showing in the 40s kind of reminds me of the beginning of the movie, The Prouller, how they are also having a party at a place in the 40s or 50s. And the building that they're having it at kind of looks similar. It's really weird.

But we see something go down and there is a girl who gets sexually assaulted and she is all about dogs for whatever reason. They don't get too deep into the story in the beginning or at least maybe I missed it. But something goes on and the assault and then fast forward to whatever 40 years later or what have you. And now we, I think 36 to be exact and now we are in 1982. So first and foremost, who is seeing this for the first time? Me. All right, me. What do you got the same?

And real quick, I just forgive me, everybody. I made an error. I didn't realize that Maccula was going to be here for this. So welcome, Maccula. He's also here. Sorry, Maccula. Maccula. Maccula. Well, I just jumped in. But did you guys start talking about where are we at? Humongous. Okay. We're going to mirror pick Mac. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. So hopefully quickly, have you seen humongous Macc just or not? I haven't. Okay. Okay. Well, leave me when I tell you nothing we say will spoil it for you.

I'm ready to say. Okay. Yeah. So Gilman hasn't seen it. Who else hasn't seen it before? There was the other one. It's who other who are besides Mac, obviously, I watched it last night for the first time. I also accidentally watched a porn out called humongous. Accidentally. Yes. I would say. So I was going to move it was more enjoyable. I actually, I remember the video box from this movie. Yes. It's like the Kendra. There's a certain ones that just were always there.

And I always wanted to see them because the cover was so cool and the poster is awesome. I got to love it. With that with that, with that Kendra, it's at the the mobile above the mutant baby. And it says here are the monsters little toys. Once they were little girls and boys. And I feel like the movie that that poster per promises is not remotely the movie we got. Now I have one.

I think I've established I have one who I will cut cheesy movies and over the top movies and movies that just don't work for most people. I cut them a lot of slack. That big said this movie. Unfortunately for me did the Cardinal send really. There's two. One of it is not this movie's fault. It's mirrors fault because he freaking gave this thing basically the same rating as freaking black Christmas. Are you on crack man? That aside. That aside. It's boring, dude.

I just there was all the all the kills are like off camera except for one really except for one. And the one happens towards the end of the movie to a character who quite frankly was like the only one who was kind of marginally likable and then it's so unceremonious as to be and it's like there's no emotional reaction to it. And then and then the other thing I couldn't get past on how you guys feel about it. I wanted to see the mutant mountain man creature thing like I didn't.

It was like they went out of their way other than his eyeball. Good idea. And then the very the very end we get the burned toxic avenger mask because that's what it looked like. I was dude I I wanted to like this movie so bad because like I said I was as soon as you picked this I was like wait is that the one and I saw the person's like yes. Finally I have a excuse to watch this movie and I was so disappointed dude. I I hope it allows you Dave.

I wish I could be positive but I can't no matter how hard I try I can't. Oh I get that I 100% get it. It's very dark as well. I'll tell you this though we actually didn't want to see him because I've seen stills of it and he looks like a like a play dole monster almost it was.

I probably would have enjoyed that more because listen to the like hilarious versus what we got here which was like it was like they just were so opposed to doing that sort of you know that that low budget which I actually don't mind that low budget moonlight thing

where it's obviously coming from like a big flood light somewhere but at least you can see crap like this movie I there's a there's a scene early on where a character who by the way what a douche know so that guy was and he's running through the woods right he's right to the woods and I'm literally squint now for the version which by the way this is going to dovetail wonderfully into our discussion of physical versus streaming but I don't want to get ahead of ourselves.

The only version of this I could find was on YouTube and it was janky to say the least so it was already hard enough to sit to like I'm sure in a pristine blu ray of this thing it's probably hard to see stuff on that I'm like leaning in like this 85 year old squinting like I can't see anything. Oh my god. So yeah it was it was when you say this movie is dark I want to make sure that it's her stance you don't mean thematically you don't.

Sorry wise you mean literally it's dark and a lot of times with blu ray it will help some movies it does help what was that one log it there there have been some slasher's I've seen you know in the past only on VHS that have been upgraded and a lot of times

depending on the company they restored really well this one is restored to the best of their ability but it is still dark and like I said I've seen pictures and it looks it looks the makeup effects on the couple kills that we do see and even the after effects that that stuff looks fine but as far as building the creature I think there was something to be desired there and the thing at the end for me it 100% reminds me of one a giant freaking toasted marshmallow that's been burned all the way.

Yes that is it. I'm telling you. Yeah. So I didn't expect honestly it's all that that's kind of what I was the feedback I was kind of expecting so it's it's no surprise here. So who else who else is it our first time? Ron Martin was but he's going to join Skype again. He's having some weather probably he's going to try and reboot and come back on. He said okay. Okay I'll go around all right Jay Jay you're next on the my screen here. Thank you. I'll try not to rant and rave too much.

Bill Shetty I was the he used to love this movie and I wanted to see it terribly because I wanted to see it so bad because of the way he talked about it and thank heavens the first time I saw it was thanks to Dr. Shock he actually let me borrow his physical media copy because at the time that was the only place I could find it was borrowing from my friend.

Yeah I watched it that first time and I'm like I didn't I didn't really like what's all a fuss I didn't like that at all and then it's so years have passed. And I'm like I was thankful Dave's a you chose again I'm like you know I'm going to give us another chance a lot of people seem to really like this movie I watched it again I'm like no I hate this movie I hate it and I'll tell you why exactly what Joel said

you can't see anything that's going on when it's when it's dark for one thing also it's called humongous right because our quote unquote monster our killer is supposed to be large and you never really get a sense of that like there's one point you see him go in and

out of the doorway and it's like yes heads pretty close to the top of the doorway but man this thing is a snooze fast it doesn't show the kills I mean everything you guys have already said but I get I just can't believe how boring and underwhelming and disappointing

this is so I'm just gonna start off by ranting like that and and just say this this is probably the last time I will ever watch this again so here you go that's fair that's fair Bayzie can I see you said the last time that you'll ever watch this again yeah because

this is my second time watching it but but Dave's I am surprised the little I'm not to open any cans of worms I am surprised to hear you call this a slasher because I would consider it of the slasher style format but does our killer in this does he use a blade

in any point just curious did you guys see any blades no I don't remember okay I just wanted to put that out that's all I have to say about that true yeah I don't know I can't remember is it sharp weapons at all it's there's a problem with the crushing yes someone

somebody makes a sharp weapon they use it as a club yes yes yes yes oh we need to get it to and I'm sure we'll get into this lamest final girl killing the monster slash killer in the history of slasher or any horror you didn't even really get to see that you just

saw the after effect again you didn't even get to see the penetration that was an accident I liked it because it was a it was unusual for a time it was usually don't see it it was done see to me that's when you see something unconventional that way it's it makes it's

seemed to me more realistic like that's how it would happen real life you know things are things are clumsy if a killer chasing somebody and you're rolling around in the freaking an amount in the dirt it's gonna be clumsy it's never really gonna be the way we see

it in a movie so I guess I kind of like the novelty of that but I understand why why one wouldn't I also just happen to like her as a final girl she's really intelligent and she's just stunning I forget her name but I think she's very very pretty and smart so

I like her as a final girl but again I'm not gonna sit here and defend the movie it's like it's it's a slasher enthusiasm you know it's it's not gonna be for everybody 100% and I understand all of that so you know what let's go to my slasher brother here Greg

Amortis what do you think about humongous yeah it's not a great movie but I'm with you Dave's yeah I kind of enjoy it for what it is and it's not well made I agree Joel I mean it's very dark Jay you're totally right it does miss on all elements but I'm into quirky slasher movies and stuff like that so I kind of overlook a lot I'm used to dark grainy movies Joel so you know you can watch anything on a VCR typical you're gonna get that for sure oh no I like it.

Greg if that was the only thing like it had been like we at least occasionally saw the monster or I don't know saw someone die except for like the one at the end and the killer himself I feel like I would have a lot less gripping mostly and can I be a freak with you my biggest

sin for any movie like this I just thought it boring I just felt like it took forever to get to the freaking points that it did have and that's why I didn't like it I mean that's that's really what it comes down to yeah I mean I don't know why I just kind of

dug it and I do like days is well I do like the final girl I would like to see the unedited because I watch same version you did Joel so clearly there's some nudity left out I don't know what else was left out so there's some things that was missing and I would like

to see it intact in full but yeah I can't defend anybody just like me because it's not a very good movie I totally got the the prowler opening I felt that from start to finish like I was like to just straight up rip off of the prowler like crazy and I do get the

Friday 13th aspect of it as well so it's just a fun movie is it great no is it good and over just cheesy slash or fun right on you know and I do like the backstory I like when she finds the diary and and figures it all out and yes of course like I said it does

it does really rip off Friday too and I love Friday too more than just about anybody but I mean this is 1982 and Friday too with 1981 I'm almost glad to say that somebody saw that as a cool idea and freaking and ripped it off because I thought it was great when

they do it in Friday too and I'm glad someone else said hey let's do something like that and and they did it was different but it does move too slow it should be 10 minutes shorter at least I get that so okay he missed both with prom night it should have been correct prom night

is it been all right that's all right true so so Ron Martin your first time correct it was my was my first time dealing with movie not my first time dealing with something humongous very well that's how you paid your way through college right run I mean you have to you have to

do way have to do goodbye that's right that's right it's a tough world out there as the people living on this island found out in this movie I can't I'm not going to add a lot a whole lot more to what I mean I got booted out the conversation for a little bit but from what I've heard so far I would

repeat the same beats like it's very boring though there are there are some cool like little twists and I think leading up that was the point of the movie I think here's a twist about the dogs and here's a twist about the mom and then so we have those cool twists but leading into that I don't

it feels like there's nothing happening it's just kids walking on an island doing a napk recently one of the girls was sure a boobs which is nice I guess by the way I know one of the Nancy Drew right the girl I noticed right away the red head girl is this the girl from the fly

that one Jeff Goldblum runs out on Gina Davis and he has that you know at the arm wrestling content oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's her oh okay yeah I will say I have not wanted a slasher character to die as quickly as I wanted that knit character to die yes oh my god what's

he the horse I was like can we just kill him before the opening credit scenes we can do stuff they can do stuff yeah that's right yeah like always shoot his brother in the head what a yeah I think it's super interesting that you guys are going the Friday 15th part two route because I

didn't really pick up on that I thought it was more like a worse version of Hell Night which also came out 1981 which we've also covered as a mirror pick it's not the vibe I got from it a little bit in the final chase yeah I like when she's but but the backstory of the only other

person they ever knew was their mother and that's literally a line said in both movies and then the scene especially when she's sitting in the chair and she kind of dresses up like mom is as what are you doing go downstairs I mean that's sure with that that scene that was kind of cool but

had nothing to do with the rest of the plot and didn't didn't lead anywhere at all oh no what do you mean she read the she read the diary right right and she knew that the only person he ever knew was his mother and he was most likely you know mentally slow so when she had the opportunity

to do something with it she did it she went downstairs she's okay I escaped murder now let me try to get out of the house yeah I'm just saying I seen that big she don't like to something else I think in my opinion like in Friday too for example it led to something else it led to his

demise it all right but but again see this is in in in real life if this were to take place if the killer goes downstairs right if you if you're able to to calm the killer and they literally walk down the stairs in some other place whatever aren't you gonna take the chance to get up and

just book the hell yeah I know I I completely understand what you're saying the real life is super boring we don't make movies about that we make movies about things that are cool and I just I don't know I just thought that should have built for something else and it just didn't I mean I'm not

that's fair I know I get it it's like a big moment that should have led to something else I can't argue that you think you're something out and that should have led to end game in it and it really didn't it's part I will say this was the longest chase scene in my life in my life in my

case it was a boring chase scene but it was like there's like five five parts this chasing it I think it was half the runtime of the movie raw I can ask you a question just to just to circle back around to your earlier point are you implied about my humongous thing on that well that what's

about that later but the no that are you requiring cause and effect in your storytelling is that you're applying it you know it's preferable it's not necessarily I was absolutely okay necessary if there's other elements okay that's fair yeah play here um no there was some there was a couple

of cool twists I think but it was just so boring getting to those twists I feel like they could have I don't know maybe maybe Nick should have lasted the whole movie and they've been incredibly chaotic at least yeah yeah I'm with you no argument here so I didn't care for promise because I thought

was the same so this is kind of disguise like directing style right I guess I thought I think prom nights incredibly boring and overrated myself but that's my personal opinion and I've heard that from people so I get that too yeah this it is slow moving yeah it's like when I knew Jay

was gonna hate this yeah my bad no seriously my bad because that's our right Dave no I'm glad I said Jay I like you think because I've always wanted to see it because of the video box that's why I always wanted to see it so I brought it to you I thought I know I didn't I never seen it so I'm

almost happy to watch a new horror film absolutely and I'm not mad at you for picking a Dave's but nobody nobody bad but next time I'll do it I'll pick up one I know is a good slasher but but Dr. Shocksman very patient here and I'm curious as always as to your thoughts all right well

I actually thought that it's got off to an absolutely a 100% prowler vibe in that opening scene I got that as well I thought I got off to a pretty good start you know with with with the assault and then what happens to that guy that's probably the most violent scene you see in the movie not that you

see it but you see you see enough and you see like bone like skin rip from his leg and the the wound in his neck and he has a nerve to look at the woman and say help me help me right this is neck I cut the the gourd there and a little bit of you know nudity during the rape but who wants

okay because I did I do have the un-unrated version so I did get to see that did did anybody I hear get to see because I said to I don't know if you got to see this in the version you watch but I did say to my wife I'd like you to deliver blueberries to me from that way from that one yes

I have a comment on that later but yes okay um but I do it it it is an issue because it sort of it's sort of the beginning of the movie was the best part and then it sort of went as far as what happens is with the violence because even in the un-rated version you don't see a lot of

the most of the kills are happening off screen um and and like you were saying Joel except for one right towards the end you get to see a little something in it's for a character who and it just sort of came out of nowhere yes the chase through the one thing that I noticed this time even more

than the last time was that chase through the woods if he reached out he could have got her at any time he was like basically right behind her it's almost like direct direct or say and slow down you're getting too close slow down you're getting too close because she could not get through those weeds

like quick enough so that made that chase kind of dull um and and you know and and there were other parts of the movie that it's not incredibly well-acted um I didn't think the guy who played Eric was very strong when they were in that place that supposedly really sank you know he would just sort

of cough every once in a while to say oh that's right this place stinks and just oh you know so it I wasn't really buying his performance um I did like I think Janet Julian is very pretty I just I remember watching those old Hardy boys um when they were first run back in the late 70s

I used to like I used to enjoy watching those um and I remember that they did have like sort of a Hardy boys Nancy Drew mash up and I'm pretty sure she played Nancy Drew and the actors who played the sister was also in a movie that it's still not great but it's called Ruby she actually was

the title character and it had a Piper Laurie and it knows about yeah she she's she's the model of an of a mobster who was who was killed and she ends up hiring all of his associates she opens a drive-in theater and all of them are working to drive in theater um it's a again not a great movie

but it's interesting I didn't I don't dislike this movie though I really don't I don't I'm not going to say you know and I actually am with you Dave see I'd like that scene with with her pretending to be the mother and it did make sense because she's the one who read the diary and I

thought that was a good scene I thought wow that's a good idea and of course they got it like out of they got it from Friday the 13th uh part two but I do agree that not much came of it he went away but then he was sort of still right outside like he didn't really go away he's kind of like wait a

second what's going on I thought I ate her um you know but then then there she is again but I didn't I liked the setting and there was a grittiness to it and I don't know if it was just the the film stock or maybe it was my DVD transfer but there was sort of a grittiness to it too that I kind of

it I kind of admired about it you know when I kind of like movies that have that sort of gritty field of them yes it was very dark in some scenes even on the DVD it doesn't clear it up that much but I'm kind of a lot like with Greg Immortis it's not one that I would say hey if you want to see a

really you know good 80s horror movie check out humongous that's that's not something I'm going to say and I did see that uh that uh our friend uh John Kenneth gave this the same as black Christmas so I knew that that right away is going to knock it down at least two points for you Joel yeah

yeah we would at least you know that this this could have been Halloween but it's good to lose two points because it's got the same raining as my Christmas well no no no no how did it been even in the ballpark of black Christmas but the fact that when you and I we're really going to be

fair I think you may have given black Christmas two and a half that's great so you're you're going to tell me that black Christmas is half a star better than this movie no really no both both from Canada too both Canadian horror films but yeah very uh to two very different results obviously

yeah but again I think it's off I thought to a really strong start I was kind of excited about I'm like wow this this could be really interesting this could be really cool and um yeah it just a it never really developed like I would have wanted it to but I know I was not bored I did

I did not find it boring I was interested the whole time I just thought the execution might have been lacking in a few in a few areas uh right on that's probably the best one we've heard so that's good I don't feel so bad so what's the final thoughts and ratings you know

that's right me a sir the left T and R okay so uh Joel Gilman Joel yes all right uh my knee jerk was like a 3.5 but I think I think I think I'll I'll be fair either worth there because actually Dave you're right I grew I think that opening was probably for me the

best part about the movie because it was the most vicious I actually kind of loved that the guy I didn't love the part that he attacked her but I loved that I loved that summarily immediately following that he's torn apart by dogs so that was kind of great uh very

essential it was it was brutal yeah it was very it was very brutal and I love that part I just there was just so much potential and like even like the bad acting and the cheesy dialogue and all that so none of that bothered me it was more the lack of what could have been seen and not just

because of crappy lighting but because they just were and I get it I get the moisture look like garbage fine but I don't know that was probably my biggest disappointment is the kills were lame and with you we almost got to see nothing happen um I thought the way the killer went out the end

was lame regardless I get your point Dave Z but I mean I guess either a if this has been a documentary or if they had taken the sort of like oh this is kind of like real life anyway approaching if this has been a Texas shades on ascrivive sure I would have I could have gone with the oh yeah

that that's what would happen in real life but that's not what this movie is um I'm gonna say a 4.5 I'll be a little bit I won't be quite as crappy about it uh 4.5 and I would say see it it if like me you grew up which is probably means you're very old uh you grew up seeing this on

the video store shelf I always wanted to rent it and feel like you should see it at least once so I'd say at least once rent it yes right on okay cool so who was next uh was it Jay yeah I think though it was Jay yes I'm just to hear his blueberries come on yes I do I yeah this is very

important I'll save that for last um it is funny that in the exposition for this the way that we get so much of the backstory is so our our final girl character discovering things in this diary and then putting together all of these things and yeah it must have meant that this happened and that's

why he's like this and I was just cracking up at the way how clunky this exposition is but anyways this is I often say that prior evil with horror horror is born out of deep sorrow or deep anger or both and what's interesting about this is the prior evil in this case horror is literally born

from the prior evil the rape interesting right um historic notes here I think that scubi do which obviously came out before this but I'm just saying scubi do there's definitely a scubi do we scubi do vibe where you know how Fred Daphne and Belma always go off together Eric his sister

and Sandy were totally giving me scubi do vibes in this hey you know what you mungus would have gotten away with it wasn't for the meddling day I probably do so good oh so good doc shock I love it okay and then here it is here it is for you seriously the blueberry thing I think that historically

this film is responsible for the monster cereals because she carries the blueberries over in her bosom and so the monster cereals name came from boob boob berry get it boob berries yeah this says boob berries in it anyways this is a joe I was with you I was gonna do 3.5 but I'm

like no but I hate this boob because it has boob berry and you love cereal yeah and when I was a kid no no joke boob berry was my favorite so four out of ten avoid all right that's not too terrible okay uh dragon mortis I think this movie benefits with the snow beast effect where you see less

this is better I like snow be sure I love snow be but seeing less of that creature because of the effect yeah I think because of the effects of this one seeing less is better and now this is a seven five for me it is a rental I would not purchase because you're not going to find it cheap so

I would definitely say you're a huge new man see if you can find out all thinkers went out there to all the ads the full-united version if it was I'd like to see it but yeah did you send five seven point five okay five Greg you're amazing Greg did you gift wrap that rating for the director

that I'm gonna find out yet hey he gets a benefit because of prom night not just some of this yeah I yeah I actually kind of I kind of like prom night too like I admit now let me just say real quick can't John can't ignore in his review did he not say that a

prom night another sort of Halloween ripoff it has Jamie Lee Curtis in it and it's a slasher but the stories are not similar at all oh I wish I had time to get into that conversation but I I I another time but they won't be here too long but I do feel that another time shoot anyway

well I am the fan of prom night and I'm not nearly as nice my ratings as everyone else is you're kidding I like I like to hold on let me sit down Ron you just shot especially for new listeners especially with movies that these slasher movies from the early 80s because it's kind of when

they all popped up and you they're still kind of figuring out what works what doesn't work I like to give them the benefit out most of the time but as you guys are saying in this podcast this movie has been heavily influenced by Friday no 13th part two which is a superior film in like every way

to this film the Wikipedia page for this film says that there was a budget of two million dollars for this one I don't know that could be accurate what did you be a Canadian yeah leony's $22 million dated 82 which was about 27 27 50 in the year okay well that makes more sense

because I was like where did that money go lots of play-doh for that makeup blueberries nothing on you know there's nothing seen on seen there's no gore there's no special effects I get when they when I saw that the boat house got exploded I was

of that that's where the money went I guess for the boat house yeah the owners sued them because they didn't say that we're gonna do that oh really I don't know it's like a caddy shack when they they and caddy shack they waited for the owners of the of the of the golf course to go to

a convention before they blew it up at the end awesome right on and as I mentioned before I think there's a couple of nice twists here but they're not you're not big enough to overcome the the film's flaws I don't think anyone needs to see this not even like horror fans of honestly I'm

giving it a three avatette and you can avoid all right for my 7.5 to a three by the way if I the only one who still is more shocked at Ronald only gave it a three even more so than Greg giving it a 7.5 no no Greg still has me reeling we heard Jay Z I was I was thinking about giving it

a two but then I remembered salt X and this didn't actually this movie wasn't the detriment that many characters that are already established so I had to get one higher than salt oh my god okay uh Dr. Shock I'm gonna come in I'm gonna say I'll say six out of 10 I think it's worth

the uncut version is is gonna be the one that the five if you can find it that's a lot and it doesn't sound like it's very easy to find and of course you know of course Friday a 13 part two is way superior to this movie there's no doubt about it Friday a 13th part two is like

oh it's probably one of the greatest sequels of all time even though my favorite is part four Friday 13th part two is is probably one of the great follow-ups to a to a classic horror movie I think ever made um but I think that there's at least I don't know like I said I wasn't bored I was

rolling my eyes a few times at some of what was going on so I was being sad it's like okay can that one brother can they make him more of a douchebag no I don't think so and you know that some yes I and I will agree Jay that the whole thing with the diary was not handles as well as it could

have been I think they could have done a little bit more with that than they did and it was mostly just sort of exposition where she was thinking all this must be the way it was or whatever but I was and and and Dave's the I was all mute at the time but I was laughing when you said the

burnt marshmallow that is exactly what that dude looked like like someone kept his face in a fire a little too long and they play then and then they couldn't make a smore at the end but I would I was I was not bored I would say it's worth seeking out the uncut version if you can find it

yeah and 6.6 out of 10 right on okay that that's fair good good good okay uh as far as me I enjoy it it's okay I'm a slasher guy there are some things I like about it and I really enjoy uh sandy the final girl I just think she's really pretty and uh does a good job so when she's on

the screen I'm happy about it and whatever it's as far as quality for being a slasher hey it's average it's 1982 it's kind of interesting to see at the time and I've seen a lot worse slasher and I've seen a lot better slasher but I'm right there with you it's a 6 out of 10 for

me I'm gonna say to rent it but you can't so good luck on that and but nobody should pay the money for this bure it's like a hundred dollars people are are so on and forth so if you could find it for 20 bucks or something buy home means buy it if you're a slasher pussy dvd I found it for

as low as 20 something wow that's a lot and I got it close to when it was new and I don't even think I paid that much yeah I think I'm gonna keep an eye out for like yard sales and flea markets and the one I got this it's a scorpion releasing a dvd and I guess that's the pluray also

dancing yep okay all right yeah that's what I figured because I have the the caterina's um caterina lee waters version where she's hosting it um what is that called caterina's nightmare theater oh that's right yeah the videos that they put out and I kind of like watching with that I don't

know jf you watch that on the dvd when I send it to you or if you just watch the movie just watch the movie okay it and watch the caterina's it makes it kind of fun it makes it a horror host it's a horror yeah nice nice nice and the blue has all that the blue has commentary as an interview with

someone else but nothing with sandy uh unfortunately everyone should see this though I'm gonna say if you can see this see it because you have got to see that freaking toasted marshmallow like they can't I'm telling you watch it again just for that just just the end and just see that

that is a hundred percent it's like the world's biggest it's like a marshmallow the size of a you know a billow but that's what it looks like to me yeah what was what was your rating Dave I don't know oh six six right man I'm so curious with Greg immortus I should almost try to get you on

the the slasher show but I didn't want to ask you because you're asking someone to watch over a hundred movies and but I was like you know what is Greg immortus gonna have if he made a top 50 with a movie like this being 75 I'd be really curious to see his top 50 man I mean but I have to

get you involved somehow in that episode because that's the only person that loves slasher's like I do is you but you know your ratings are sometimes even higher than mine I'm like wow impressive that I love seeing the love for slasers and that's what it comes down to so slasher people

check this movie out there you go but to be honest with you this is one of Greg's lowest ratings for a slasher right right thanks to what your way Halloween ends by the way oh god I'll write that to you three I don't even remember oh look I'll stop talking about it then okay the final cut

all right at this point in the episode get Jay of the dead here and I am joined by my heir apparent my own flesh and blood and horror of injure in training slated to be our number 10 my son spawn of the dead I am back again okay you stepped on my intro a little bit right there

sorry kids these days well this weekend the spawn and I had the pleasure of taking gizmo his little sister to the movie theater to see a brand new 2024 monster movie it was Godzilla X Kong the new empire now first of all I gotta say I have no idea what that title means what is

Godzilla X Kong is it I think so at first I was thinking maybe they meant like verses but they don't really fight each other that's not the main point in fact that's the previous film was versus and they had a little VS yeah which indicated verses yeah but but is this is is this Godzilla times

Kong or Godzilla 10 Kong or is it Godzilla kiss Kong you know X's and O's mean yeah yeah I know okay well I'm just saying well maybe it means time thing is putting them together in a way that could be it or maybe it's just I think I think edition is putting them together

it should have been Godzilla plus Kong yeah well there's no plus on a keyboard there is actually yeah it's right here not on the main part of the keyboard though actually this is the main part right here pluses and minuses anyways maybe Kaiju Nick can sort this out for us he knows more

about giant monsters than anybody I know oh yeah his name is Kaiju yeah his mom named him that so anyway the subtitle to this and I promise we'll get past the title in a minute the subtitle is the new empire now this is interesting to me spawn because just one week before this released

the new Ghostbusters movie was about a frozen empire so we had frozen empire last week and then this week we had a new empire new frozen things yeah well and and funny you should say that it's a weird coincidence because both empires and both movies do have something to do with infringing

encroaching ice so yes anyways like negative temperatures yes yes that's right and by negative within less than zero yeah I'll just leave it at that that's right but it isn't minus one that's right that's Godzilla minus one which I will go to my grave saying that should have been

titled Japan minus one yep right is that what I thought it was maybe I don't know yeah because they weren't minus winning Godzilla yeah they were subtracting from Japan yeah true anyways um okay so where was I in this okay the title okay we're yeah I'm worried this is going well the

listeners expect nothing less yeah man don't we have I believe you know what we we forgot to introduce one of our co-host today I think they're spawn had a guest as well it's been it's been yes that is been you from Benny loves you anyways okay so we're just gonna set the table

with some quick basic information on this movie Godzilla x Kong the new empire was released in theaters on March 29th which happens to be my necromanic Hans birthday it was directed by happy birthday mom happy birthday it was directed by Adam Wingard who also directed a horrible

way to die from 2010 which I think I liked that I remember being pleasantly surprised it has an interesting poster art and pretty cool I wish I remembered more about it though what was the way that was horrible to die it was a horrible way to die what was that yeah you want me to just

spoil that right here no okay then I won't next he also directed your next from 2011 which I have to say his best film and I believe that was my number one horror movie that year and by the way you still need to see this one it's called your next I got animal masks in it and everything he

did segments for the VHS movies including tape 56 and Q is for quack and then I would say Adam Wingard's lowest note for me is his 2016 Blair Witch which was awful just ask Ron Martin is that different than the Blair Witch project yeah hold it up because the Blair Witch project sucked

okay yet what you just said is very controversial so you're gonna hear about it that's my opinion yeah you don't like the original the Blair Witch project from 1999 you think it's boring because nothing happened I think it's you know there are things I admire about it but

it's really a kick in the growing that we don't see any which whatsoever yeah because that's the name of the movie well it's the Blair Witch project not the anyways okay so moving on and of course Adam Wingard also directed Godzilla versus Kong from 2021 which I remember

thinking that was pretty fun I'm not and the reason we didn't review that on this podcast you had that's new horror movies is this is a horror movie podcast oh wise guy okay calm well actually no number one this podcast launched in January of 2022 so that's the first thing

so that movie came up before this and the second thing is even though these aren't your typical horror movies I'm glad you brought this up because sometimes the listeners are like why are you guys talking about King Kong gods alone a horror podcast well because they're monsters okay yeah

and they kill people yes they do now just for a second I just want to pause here since we're since we're moving through this so fast and I want to quickly review the new King Kong and Godzilla releases that constitute the so-called monsterverse which I would be very interested

in hearing what you all think or how you all think the monsterverse is going in fact I wouldn't mind I'm just throwing this out there getting Greg Mortis macula and even Khaju Nick if he's willing they come on and maybe talk about the monsterverse as a whole that would be very interesting

I'm just extending that invite to all y'all think about it but the monsterverse began with Godzilla 2014 that was the one where he had really fat thighs he's like big legged Godzilla that's the the isn't that the like original design yeah well the original design was a dude in a costume

yeah but but I'm just saying yes some people would some people I think maybe maybe Khaju Nick maybe would say that he what it was closer to the intended look of Godzilla back in the day but I'm just saying with that group by the way real quick did I say macula Greg and Mortis Khaju Nick right yeah

okay that's what I was thinking okay so Godzilla 2014 that one has Brian Kranzton in it but no matter how many times I watch that movie I still think it's boring I'm sorry and then we got Kong Skull Island from 2017 was actually pretty intense I was surprised by that one it was they

had a ferocity to it and then we had Godzilla King of the monsters from 2019 which was directed by Mike Mike Dardi the guy who did trick or treat but I actually slept through that one in the theater I'm sorry to say well didn't you say that you like sleeping in whatever you want to yeah I do

like going to sleep wherever I want to I may have narcolepsy Jay okay thanks for like okay is anyway that's what everybody's doing with this review then we had we had Godzilla versus Kong which preceded this film and that led it was the direct prefacing sequel to more prequel as it were

to Godzilla X Kong the new empire so this new film stars once again Rebecca Hall Brian Tirey Henry and Kaylee Hottle did you think Kaylee was Hottle who's Kaylee that little girl which though the one little sign language girl no okay and then this is rated PG 13 and I thought it was a very

mild PG 13 almost could have been PG right like they should have had it PG and it has a run time of one hour 55 minutes now here's the premise no spoilers after the events the previous film putting that in there Kong now peacefully more or less peacefully lives down inside hollow earth

in Godzilla lives mostly peacefully on the surface in Rome yeah in the coliseum both Titans seem to be the monster keepers of their respective domains unless ill tempered monsters surface these two heroic Titans put the smack down on them with little regard to surrounding structures

but as we gather from the trailer there's a new threat that is emerging and endangering the earth inside and out so we have these two Titans Godzilla and Kong who must align themselves together a veritable Godzilla X Kong yeah I guess whatever that means in order to put down this global threat

now spawns little sister slept through the entire movie but I didn't doesn't bowed well and I must confess here to the listeners I also slept through some of the movie I had some snooze in going on and despite spawn nudging me trying to keep me awake now I am gonna rate

this at the end still I don't always do that if I sleep I usually try to revisit it but honestly listeners I feel like I saw enough of this film to be able to represent my opinion here but hey you could feel free to disregard me and only listen to spawn on this but he only slept for a little

bit yeah it really was only not that much I just nodded here and there you guys so yeah man anyways but you are right away spawn did his job he's very diligent and since he was awake through the entire movie I'm gonna start off with your thoughts what did you think of Godzilla

X Kong the new empire without going into spoilers all righty so me personally I don't know about you but I liked it I thought it was family movie family movie how do you feel about that yeah family fun like big dumb fun action monster movie yeah not overly scary Friday night maybe a little bit of

high-see I see yeah I'm not even talking yeah but it is violent with monsters big monsters fighting so maybe not for little kids but like I would say ten and up yeah okay so I think we were talking after the movie and Jay likes Kong better than Godzilla which I'm actually the opposite I like

Godzilla way more than King Kong really yeah I like Kong but I like Zilla better oh wait you said Zilla well Kong like King Kong Zilla but what you just shortened it no no no no I just want to make sure you understand where you're doing here I'm serious the 1998 Godzilla movie yeah with Matthew

Broderick the one we used to what where they ramped the car off his tail and stuff yeah they ended up referring to that version of him as Zilla and some people are very offended by Zilla yes they think he's an abomination well so I just like to point out do you like are you saying you like

that 98 98 Zilla better no you're saying Godzilla I'm just trying to clarify this is a for his speech podcast so to say it is and King I don't want to say King Kong every time and I don't want to say Godzilla every time why don't you say Kong sometimes just I too I say Kong I like

Godzilla not Zilla Godzilla right better than King Kong okay yeah we were talking about this and I'm just harassing my son a little bit here you see I even do it to my own family members it's not just the other horror of angels that I like to provoke I even aggravate my family members but

anyways the thing is I agree I think Godzilla of the Titans I just want to say this of the two Titans I think Godzilla is the mightiest the most because that freaking atomic breath yeah that he he blasts up he charges out and shoots that man that's cool yeah and and that is definitely

super hardcore yeah so I do think that he he could basically like if he landed that on Kong he could blast them apart not that he ever has landed on Kong and they've been in battles as we know from the previous film but yeah just want to say I still love Kong more and you know who agrees

in me just for the record oh Kaiju Nick Kaiju Nick was putting the smackdown on count macula back in episode 11 no no Mac gave the original King Kong little tangent here he gave it a great score so I I I actually agreed with Max score I really like Max score so for the record Mac I got your back

but Kaiju Nick was giving him grief and he said absolute 10 straight up Kong is the greatest monster in the history of monsters oh boy and then later the history of monsters yes yeah that's like saying citizen canas the best black and white movie of all cinema it's just not correct most

film critics do say that about citizen can yeah so okay well good for them I guess anyway anyway I just wanted to give shout out there Kaiju Nick so Kaiju Nick I like Kong better but I think Godzilla is more powerful yeah and you're saying you love you prefer Godzilla and he's more powerful

yes because like Godzilla he cannot fly like Mothra and he cannot make weird web walls but like Godzilla he has the atomic breath which is just I think they underestimate how powerful that would really be because for radiation to glow it has to be like you can never go to that place again

and he is like always glowing and so if he like swam in the Pacific Ocean Pacific Ocean would be ruined and like if he stepped in Rome the Colosseum is ruined so you're saying that the Godzilla would have radiation poisoning everywhere yeah Chernobyl yeah and then when when Godzilla

radiated a certain part as seen in the movie to fix something that would have ruined the entirety of that thing okay so you're critiquing the suspension of disbelief in a movie about giant creatures yeah okay that's fair yeah that's fair so you're saying there's some iftiness in

the science there yeah and like Godzilla is just so cool and indeed and awesome that's right what else you got so for me it felt slightly long it had good action a lot of it don't get me wrong it was good action but like turned down like if you have a really distorted tone on a guitar but the

volumes low that's kind of what it was okay it was all right I liked it still yeah lots of battle I mean I'll agree with you like there are tons of battles and honestly I think that's why even a lot of people argue that's the cool part that's why you go see this movie yeah but if there aren't

battles with stakes like if the action set pieces are not driven by the engine of the plot then it definitely holds much less interest for me and that's why I think for example and I go to my I mean I say this all time but die hard is a masterpiece action film because all of the action that happens

in that film is motivated by the engine of the plot all the things that happen in there sort of have to happen whereas it was a really well-built movie yes Christmas movie yeah that's right the best Christmas movie ever yes yeah that's right okay so yeah I agree with you but yeah I mean like

my daughter Gizmo would would wake up and be like okay they're still fighting I'm going back to sleep and that's and there's really a lot of truth to that so there's tons of some battle scenes in here yeah that's what you're going for then you're gonna love that as we see in the poster something

I really like is Godzilla becomes purple he goes purple which is so cool to me yeah he has this magenta yeah like perfectly magenta glowy and his eyes have like flames purple smoke coming out of them and that is just so cool yeah and this is this is stuff again from the the poster in the trailer

yeah yes I mean he is he is so irradiated in his preparatory battle posture that he goes from glowing blue to going purple yeah and it's like really cool yeah that's interesting yeah it is cool I prefer him with the blue but still but you're right it's awesome yeah I had a poster one time of

one of the Godzilla movies before where he was like at nighttime using his laser beam like straight up it was such a cool poster yes and then it was there no way but not by me right right yeah I mean I actually think that you're referring to the poster for Godzilla king of the monster yes

that is incredible and that's the mic darting movie that we referred to earlier I'm gonna pull it up here just to confirm is that the one you're talking about yep there it is yeah Godzilla king of the monster poster cool okay well we'll have to try to find that again no problem okay what else

you want to say about this movie I feel like let me try and look back on what happened yeah for me it was kind of a weird plot line it went from something happened and then freaking King Kong had a toothache and so he was immobilized on the beach so they replaced his tooth

which is super wimpy yeah very very early in the film he does have some dental issues yeah and then Godzilla almost has a problem with that and then there's a disturbance and then something happens and then we think there's like oh this is gonna be so cool and then it's like really lame because

of something related to the ancient tribe something related to that and their cave drawings and not gonna spoil it it's pretty detailed but not spoiling it and then it goes on with like cool battles but a lot of cool battles and it would be nice if there was like two or three slow scenes

in there give information but there's just not and then like it resolves and then there's another problem classic movie kind of weird yeah well absolutely yeah there's even though like it's funny because there's a two edge sword going on here in movies like this in the double edge sword that

cuts both ways like Gloria Esteban said once Estefan I think anyways yeah cuts both ways your love is like knife it cuts anyway nobody knows that song anymore but what happens is and on one hand you've got this overly simplistic it's like they're just beating each other to death you know it's

just a lot of like monster battles right and then on the other hand you have a very convoluted weird backstory that they're like trying to put together all of this lore for you it does feel like I'm kind of talking out both sides of my mouth because it's like yeah well you're complaining

that there's no I guess engine to the plot that's driving this along but they're trying to build this convoluted backstory and I think it's because all of that convoluted backstory doesn't actually matter yeah but I think what bugs me most in this movie is it's still gonna bug me and if you didn't

if you didn't see the the first the preceding film I don't think this is a big deal it really bugs me that Kong uses a battle axe I know it's like I don't know there's something there's something epic about that sure he's using a giant battle axe but at the same time he's Kong

he doesn't need a battle axe and and then and then they got like into like he man characters sort of sort of ideas here where we got this big glove for Kong yeah metal glove and I really hate that because it's just I don't know that's cheesy I'd be interested in hearing what everybody

else thinks about that but I just I don't know that bug me what did you think about that um yeah I thought it was like all the characters like Godzilla was fine but like all the other monsters were like so intelligent their creatures and animals and organisms so they shouldn't have really detailed

facial expressions and they shouldn't communicate with the humans and I know like their agent tribes but like they're communicating with like telepathic sign language or something so you need little girl you don't like yeah from the previous film we know that Kong can understand

this little girl signing and they can kind of sign a little bit as if she's like Jane Goodall or something yeah and so that bugged you yeah I don't know that is that is a little bit convenient sometimes but I do think it's kind of cool in a way I and I know maybe it's because of her

tribal heritage that she has the ability to do that and she is the lone survivor her for tribe but it's still weird that other people who sign can't connect with Kong yeah you know only this one person can so yeah I guess we could nitpick that but backing up for a second if you don't

mind the human character that I just couldn't stop thinking of is called fist toe which is not a great name yeah which if we had the other weirdos on here like they would go south with that real quick but yeah but but anyways he he was the dude with the beard and mustache and he were purple

and silver outfit and then he had this big metal glove on his right arm and he was called fist toe and I could not stop thinking of fist toe with this calm all right so as we start to wrap up final thoughts and ratings must start with you in one sec I just got to ask you one last question

what did you think of the CG because I've heard people complaining about the CG no I thought it was great actually it's definitely art of fish I mean you look at it and you're like okay yeah I know that these are essentially computer generated cartoon monsters fighting but it's fun to look

at his color for what's entertaining it doesn't look like like when I saw Kong Peter Jackson's King Kong 2005 and he's sliding across the ice and central park I know and he hits the bank of snow and the snowflakes they flurry up in his fur that looks absolutely real to me I don't care

what anybody says that really does that looks real and it isn't like 4k HD like all the movies not it looks more like it's made with actual cameras you know yeah I could see that I really like that I can see that sometimes yeah but with this there's definitely an artificiality and it doesn't

look bad it just looks what it's not like cats because last night we were at some friends house and just for humor and entertainment sake we check because we wanted to it all we didn't trust me we checked out spun win that's we watched half of the 2019 movie cats and that is so creepy

the creepiest horror movie I've seen this week but anyway if you guys seriously listers if you want to if you want to have a wild time I dare I double dog dare you triple dog triple dog dare you to watch cats streaming on Netflix 2019 okay final thoughts are ratings

spawn of the bed spawn of the bed well you got here somehow anyway that was weird thanks for making it weird listeners spawn of the dead what what are your final thoughts of ratings okay so I me personally 7.5 okay see it in theaters and like a low priority by like wait until after the

DVD Blu-ray hype has gone then buy it because then the price will be slightly down so when Walmart puts it in a like a five movie monster pack and get it that I would say get it right then okay or if they never do that you could buy it in the movie hype but like I would wait for 4k honestly like

later you wait till the 4k prices go down yeah okay because whenever that is I don't even know like if those those go down because basically what I'm thinking probably happens is when the movie comes out physically like on copies then the price is high and then after all the hype a few months later

then it goes down a little bit yeah yeah sure so that's my theory so wait then and then get it probably all right 7.5 out of 10 you're saying see in the theaters now because it is a visual spectacle yeah and then you're calling it a low priority buy when the price drops yeah and I would say the

reason I would say see it in theaters is because there is some really really good views of parts of the earth mm-hmm I would say that yeah absolutely I'm with you now again I slept through some of it I'm sorry to say but well you were tired I'm always tired at all but yeah I I'm gonna come in

it I just feel hard well it is hard because in some ways it's really dumb right it's a dumb movie yeah you said it was big dumb fine it is big dumb fun but it's also I mean that when you go into a movie like this that's exactly what you're looking for you look at the poster art for this film

you know that's what you're getting that's what you want so that's how I'm rating this everybody I'm not rating it like a citizen cane type thing so yeah see I'm calling it 7 out of 10 and the reason I'm doing that is because it's interesting the opening sequence we get almost like a humanizing

of Kong as we see him existing in his environment and dealing with his environment which I liked I liked it too the only problem with when we're only seeing the monsters in their environment we lose a sense of their scale of their size yeah but in that scene when the girl was on the cliff

looking at him and he was laying there yes that was like a great reminder uh-huh man I could not speak English because it shows that she is like the size of an ant and he's like zoomed in so it really shows and I think that's a great scale I loved that scale to show how massive they really are

yes absolutely yeah I dig that too and you have no idea the restraint that it took me to avoid making a dad joke about ants and uncles the sizes of them anyways yeah I'm saying 7 out of 10 I think you can go see this in the theater listeners especially for somebody like Kai Junik

because and we were real careful not to go into this the trailers tease okay what is the threat what is the threat we get a number of surprises in terms of other monsters and characters I mean you got there's a lot of fun to be had here even though it gets pretty wacky and wild but there's

a lot of fun and yes yes there's definitely a climate change type subtext that you know I'm sure people could read into this yeah yeah if you want to do that but yes 7 out of 10 see it in a theater this is definitely uh I mean if you're buying the monsterverse films of course if you're

complete it's you're gonna have to buy it yeah and I end to be honest with you I probably will buy it because I love movies and I like to collect movies I would buy it be as well but I think if you're a discerning purchaser like someone like um Watson or Joel I bet you those dudes it'd be fine for

them this stream and on Netflix is what I'm saying so anyway there you have it that is our review of Godzilla X Kong the new empire I want to thank spawn of the dead for being here thank you of course and it was really fun and Lister's let us know what you thought all right Jay of the dead here

and it is time to wrap up this ninth episode release for October of 2024 that's right dammit we released nine episodes as part of our special Halloween content celebration for this month now we've done big stuff during October in the past but this may be maybe the most podcasting hours

for a single show at least that I've been a part of putting out so we feel pretty good about that two quick plugs Jay of the Dead's new horror movies is actually represented over on Gilman Joel's spooky flicks fast 2024 that's right we reviewed a killer monkey movie chimpanzee actually

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