New Horror Movies Ep. 119: Top 10 Horror Movies of 2023 - by Mister Watson and Dr. Walking Dead

Hey listeners, Jay of the Dead here. Just a quick little note before we start this episode. As Mister Watson and Dr. Walking Dead count down their top 10 horror movies of 2023.

From time to time, you'll hear them make references about this being a super long episode. Well, that was all my fault. I'm certain I didn't explain our format very clearly. And so they thought that I was going to combine everyone's top 10 recordings with each other into one monster 20-hour episode or something. Wild and crazy, which we all know things like that are possible around here and I'm sure you wouldn't put it past me.

So when you hear them refer to that, just know that I was just unclear in my directions. Enjoy the show. You are listening to a Halloween special from Jay of the Dead's New Horror Movies. Hi and happy Halloween and welcome to Jay of the Dead's New Horror Movies, the gold standard of horror movie podcasts.

This is Jay of the Dead right here, podcasting from Pleasant Grove, Utah and it just so happens at the moment I have another horror Avenger who also happens to live in Pleasant Grove, Utah and it is macula. Halloween capital of the world. I don't know if that's true. Clearly, we are hijacking this episode for just a minute, right Jason? That's right because you know what people who downloaded this are expecting to hear the top 10 horror movies of 2023 by Mr. Watson and Dr.

Watson, you're walking dead, but no, it's Jay and I'll get to that. We'll get to that. Yes, those guys. No, we love them. All okay. Stick around to hear stuff, but you're right quick. Super exciting announcement. Right. Brother, tell it. So I produce something. I have a short film out. It's available for people to see and it is going to a film contest. It's more weight, weight, weight, not just any short brother. What kind of a short?

Yes, horror short by macula. Y'all right. And because this one is technically a contest rather than a festival, then it's actually available now for people to see right now. Stick around. That's right. Stick around to the end of this episode because we're going to talk about it a little bit more, but you can find the link in the show notes right now for episode 119. And by the way, it's only five minutes.

So you can actually pause this episode because it's just Mr Watson and though I'm just kidding. No Kyle and Watson do a great top 10 list. You guys are going to love their top 10 list. No joke, but I'm just saying if you pause them, I don't think they'd mind too much. Or you could wait till the end because Mack and I are going to have some. We're going to have a little short discussion about his horror short film. Right, Mack? Yes, absolutely.

Stick around. That's right. So on behalf of macula, this is your late night horror host Jay of the Dead. And we thank you for listening to Jay of the Dead's new horror movies, The Berserk Baboon of horror podcasting. Mr Watson here and I am delighted to have at my side for the duration one doctor walking dead. How are you good, sir?

Hey, everybody. I'm doing great. I'm so excited to be talking about what is it? 1914. What are we doing? 1914. Thereabouts. Yes, 2020. Oh, 2023. Yes, there it is. Okay, checks notes. Yes, 2023 folks. That's okay. So the audience that realizes we are meeting. It is October 2032. We're very excited to be putting this recording together. Hopefully you're hearing it before we have both passed on.

Indeed. Yes, folks. Jay has teamed up Doctor Walking Dead and I and assigned us with the task of delivering to all of you wonderful friends and listeners. A top 10 list of horror movies that we loved in 2023. You are demanding it. So we are supplying it. You know, I will point out that the benefit of recording a year and show all this time after the fact is that it provides one with ample time to solidify a top 10.

And so Doctor Walking Dead, when we recorded our best of 2022 show, Jay had asked that as we kick off our top 10s, we give our thoughts on the year. So Kyle, how did you feel about your personal 2023 horror movie going experience? Let me ask a clarifying question. Please have you monkey with your list since the end of 2023.

Buddy, yes, I sure have. Oh, I have not. So just so the listeners know I am. This was my take on 2023 as of December 31st, 2023. And that's fine. I think we're all going to approach it in slightly different ways. I had since that time seen a number of 2023 films that I had missed, but I don't think my list was overly impact and I'll mention something more specific to that in a minute.

But as far as the year goes, I think 2023 was a pretty solid year. There was a lot of I heard a lot of gripping, but I think we hear a lot of that every year. Where it is this sense of, well, this year just wasn't as good as last year. And I think that's some of the nostalgic stuff that we all suffer from a little bit. And I do think 2022 was actually indeed a stronger year, but I was not disappointed by 2023 just looking at my list. I think there was a lot of variety.

I think we got some anticipated franchise installments. A lot of the ones on my list are really quite original. They're not sequels. They're not remakes, but I do have a couple of franchise films in here. And I have some adaptations. I think the quality was there. There was a little bit. And this I can't prove this man. We'll see what you think. I think it was a little bit heavier on the light horror than in most years, but I have no data to back that up.

Interesting. Okay. How many movies were you able to watch total in 2023? I don't keep track of such things. Oh, you're not. Oh, wow. So you're not on the letter box. I am on the letter box, but I am very slapped dash about it because when I watch a movie, I really do try to get a logged score in the internet movie database.

But then I also have to go over the letter box and I have to pull it up. And sometimes I do. And sometimes I don't. And sometimes I see kind of a schlua movies. And then I lose track. I do try to go back in retro.

I don't fit that. But I have not been on letter box until November, December of 2023. So it's not on there. Plus I don't log repeat films or rewatches. Yeah, it's hard to say because I watch a lot for dead man still walking. I watch stuff for the other podcast. I try to watch the new films. And then I watch a lot of films for work because I have the worst job ever. I just watch movies. And so I don't really keep track of them. And I know some of our compadres are really good at it.

They have databases and they have lists and they have notes and they have because you have like duck shocks approach, which is really to log and document everything. And then you have max approach, which is there's criteria before selecting the films. And I kind of very, very specific precise careful curation. I'm watching, I'm watching a lot of movies. I probably watch, you know, four or five a week. So maybe we could say I saw 200 films last year. Now as far as the 2020 three films.

Oh, maybe, maybe 2025. Okay. Kind of an estimate. A lot of the films don't make it to my humble conservative hamlet, although we do have things like, like mega mind and that kind of thing on the screen for 12 weeks in a row. I'm sorry to hear that. Well, we in all honesty, we're in September, 2024 right now. And the latest, I'm despicable me film. It's been playing here for since it opened. It's still playing long legs didn't come.

I just so many of the big ticket horror films don't come to my town. So so I miss a lot of stuff before I get it later. I'm also cheap. So there's that anyway. Yes, yes, yes. Well, God bless you for your your perseverance, my friend. Yeah, that was a terrible answer. So why don't you give the fans something more akin to what they expect from a high quality program such as this one.

Oh, goodness, goodness. Well, you know, I'm with you in that I found 2023 to be a rather solid year. In fact, when it came time to devise this list at the start of 2024, my top four was locked in, but everything ranked from five to about 35 was in the conversation.

I had versions of just about everything in that pool operating in my top 10, the bottom half my top 10 rather that's how positive my year of year was and where I to speak to the movies that I saw that were on the lower end of the spectrum. I can happily say that I only hated or strongly disliked three movies from 2023.

Now in total, I was able to view 70 something poor movies from 2023. What there were that many people did easily twice that number three times that number. I used to get closer to 110 every year. I can't do that anymore. I'm so bad. I'm not like our gentleman over on the considering the cinema show where they do these weekly watch list. I'm lucky if I can get in my homework for each show, but it's actually probably closer to 80 now 80 unique 2023.

I'm not going to be in the next 20 or 23 or movies at this point. There's a reason for this imprecise number though back in January of 2024 here. I had joined Dave Z and Christian over on exploding heads as I do every year. And we did our top 23 of 2023. And at the time I watched I think 71 or movies I was locked in there.

And according like you were saying I've watched a number of 2023 horror movies that I missed, except I had stopped updating my best horror of 2023 letterbox list because it didn't seem likely that I'd be revisiting 2023 again. And so yeah, there's a little bit of some imprecision there.

If you listened into your earlier question at the start, if you listened to the exploding heads year end show, you may notice that I've made some changes to my list here and there. My top four was locked in fairly early on, as I said, but five to 10 has been subject to some small adjustments. Nothing major, but I've had nine months to get in rewatches or to see 2023 titles. I'd missed. And so there was a couple switcher.

Wow, that's cool. By the way, when Watson was talking there, if you heard a loud thump, that was my head making contact with my microphone. So I have to be confused. I have kissed and or headbutted the mic on more occasions that I can count. So I'm impressed by your proclivity. Well, your proficiency, your dedicate. I try. I try. I try. Well, my friend, the pleasantries have been dispensed with. We have arrived. We're here. So Dr. Walking Dead. What is your number 10 horror movie of 2023?

Alright, honorable mention first. Sorry, sorry Jay. I did not see it until this year. And I have a caveat on it. Caviar on it. I finally saw Godzilla minus one. And I expect it's going to show up on a number of the lists on this show. I loved it. It is a monster movie, but it's not a horror movie. That's just my personal take. I think it's a really great Godzilla movie. I think it's a really great monster movie. Kaiju movie. It's historical fiction with some science fiction.

I'm not counting that as horror. So if people notice its absence, don't hate on me. It's a genre thing. We are in the same boat there. Dr. Bishop. I saw it after the fact and here in 2024. And it is not making this list, even though I absolutely loved it. I'm where you are. It didn't belong. But I'm sure we will have it on the show at various places and thumbs up skis to that. So, but I'm with you.

I'm glad we're in the same page there. Okay, so my number 10 of 2023 is a is a smaller auditor film. It's written and directed by Ted Gioge again. I don't know. Geo Geo Geo Geo Geo Geo Geo Geo Geo Geo Heigan. He's from Azula. I don't know why his name sounds so exotic. But this is this is a film about. It's a period piece about World War II veterans who get together to perform a science. And this is Brooklyn 45. A shutter original.

This was not high on my list. It was an opportunity to watch because it was, you know, I have shutter. So it was there was available I watched it. I found it really really delightful. It's a little slow. I will admit that it is a little bit talky It's very acting heavy because it's essentially a play. It has limited cast in a single location

And it would work extremely well on stage. It doesn't have a lot of real shocks and scares and frights But I think the ones that are there deliver I just liked it as as kind of an unusual piece I liked the the limited setting. I liked the the the minimal effects. I liked the character driven story and the fact that I really had no clue where this film was going and any of my predictions as to its outcome were thwarted and so I liked that sense of

originality. So if you have if people haven't checked this out yet, it's 90 minutes of your time. It's a cool ghost story period piece. So I'm going with that one. That is Brooklyn 45 and I rate things high. I know that so all my my top 10 are pretty high ranked. But this is an 8 out of 10 to me and I would say this is a This is definite stream. Absolutely. I back that fully and you can find this at least at the time of this recording on shutter. That's where I watched it. And

man, yeah, I had a great time with this movie. I would actually love to take my best gal out to a play of this where they ever going to do such a thing. It would be

Need to see such a thing on the stage proper because you've got these characters who are haunted by the atrocities of war and then you throw in a say on scorn wrong a few twists and turns, you know, what are the spirits of the dead telling the truth? Are they beings who are merely playing into the fear and paranoia of the living? You know, it's

Yeah, this is a highly enjoyable film and I think I'm at about an 8 as well. So yeah, everybody shutter.com Brooklyn 45 great choice. My number 10 is a film that Jay and I reviewed on episode 64 of this very podcast many moons ago. It is called blood. The movie only just barely missed my top 10 when I recorded with the exploding

heads boys, but after a rewatch recently this film shot up a couple spots now blood is director Brad Anderson's latest genre effort. Anderson's famously known for giving a session nine and the machinist with Christian bail. Yeah, the role he did right before he became Batman. And so he can like 80 pounds of muscle to become Batman after this role where he does some transformative work. And my favorite movie of his though kind of on a side note is a genre bender of a romantic drama from the year 2000 called happy accidents with Vincent

D'Onofrio and Merissa tome I'm telling everyone out there that movie never fails with the ladies. I am telling you so that's anyway blood here did not receive very much fanfare went relatively unnoticed in the scheme of 2023's horror movie landscape and I think that is a terrible shame. The film follows a single mom who has a fair share of issues and she's moving out into the country with her two kids of whom she only has partial custody the baby daddy in question is played by one ski all rich of

the same so that's nice to see him hand some guy in his 40s to I'm just like dang so one night the young middle school age son gets bitten by something in the woods and falls ill and the only thing that sue this is agony is blood and yes and this mom played by Michelle

monohan is having to figure out how to keep that nectar of flowing one way or another so as you can imagine this movie goes to some pretty uncomfortable disturbing places that as as it presents the viewer with the question of what would you do as a parent who is faced with the task of having to do unsavory things in order to keep your child alive you know do the ends justify the means maybe you're perpetuating something even worse by allowing things to go any further

it's a challenging and grotesque thing this character has to deal with and I'll say this as a warning to any of you out there who have not seen this yet it's something I said in Jason my review and it bears mentioning here and now don't do what I did and settle in and think that the movies finished what it's doing story wise around the halfway mark let the movie do what it needs to do and you'll see the story keeps progressing until the final scene I was like is as it hit

it stride and this all we're getting and we have so much runtime left no this movie's got a few more tricks up and sleeve so that is blood at number 10 doctor Bishop are you able to see this film I actually did see blood but I forgot that's what it was called for the listeners who may not know this

I've recently turned 50 and I also recently learned you are younger than I thought you were because you you sound so wise oh well thank you but yeah I have had a little bit of trouble with some basic recall and so I completely forgot the title so I was not affecting ignorance when you started to introduce it I really didn't know what you were talking about but I have seen it I watched it because of your

review and I watched it because I like to watch Michelle Monahan indeed yes and so I thought it was a very clever take on what you think is a known genre all said when in fact it is not exactly what you think it is and yeah I think that's a huge strength for the film that that kind of ambiguity but I also love it because it falls into a particular subcategory which is you know what would you do for your child and I love films that kind of force you to wrestle with

some ethical concerns as I believe you do as well I absolutely do well said and I'm right there with you and I will make a prediction that this is going to be in J's top one or two spots who that's just where I'm thinking I think he was extremely high on this this wasn't my number 12 bumped up to 10 I'm happy that it's here and we are ready with our number nine picks

doctor bishop what have you got her number nine what do you think in sir what do we got number nine all right I was skeptical about this film I thought this is going to be another teenage marketed piece of crap even though it's rated R but it was a 24 and you know you got to give a 24 chance because I to to go even further back I'd put off body's bodies bodies for a long time because it looked dumb but then the a 24 got me into it and I think it was actually a very clever film.

So what I'm talking about is the Danny Philip Boo joint talk to me this film is an unexpected delight in my in my opinion you think you kind of know what you're getting into it's like oh it's a bunch of teenagers other mess around with things they don't understand and it's about this weird hand blah blah blah it got pretty psychedelic and you know this appears interestingly with Brooklyn 45 actually because it's a

very different kind of communion with the dead film and it also has that kind of you know as a little taste of the ring and it's got some of these old traditions and it's got some really really disturbing sequences so if if people have I have not wanted to give this one a chance because of its success and popularity sometimes those are weirdly a turn off this film is available on Paramount plus and I know all the

trickers have a subscription to that one but it's also available on prime video for 499 it's probably out there other places as well but if you've been putting off the 95 minute long talk to me don't check it out I really enjoyed it agreed I went on something of a journey with this film where upon first watch I didn't really get it and it did take what we call the the Dave Z second viewing for me to

clue in the day of the second viewing to clue in on what this was doing in you know I got a shout out to one of my favorite rappers a gentleman named sadistic who one of the very best working rappers right now he does the end credits song there at the end and I always sing his phrases yeah I

was saying his praises because he's he's first off he's a huge horror movie fan and and horror movie buff and his songs are all infused with that very melancholic rap with very you know multisalabic rhymes with complicated literary references and filmic references and these things he's a genius I there might be only one other rapper that has a better vocabulary than vocabulary than he does and that would be a

soft rock but that's maybe and maybe they're probably tied I think any of the hip hop heads out there will know what I mean sadistic's right up there with the best of the best when it comes to the unique words and the strange things he does and he does the song there that sets the mood for those end credits and talk to me and man what what a movie that is I I puzzle over that one but I yeah I

I'm glad he's seen on this list yeah I think it's pretty cool eight out of 10 from me I do think it's a priority watch and by the way in my film theory class today I discussed the Dave Z second watch oh and Dave gave you credit so maybe you'll get some new fans out of it it might maybe come an academic term one of these days in the film critique literature and in these things I'm

gonna be pushing it like wise yes awesome yes I love to hear that so what you got then for number nine number nine yes I've got a horror movie about a group of people trapped on a ship sailing the high seas while a monster brutalizes them it is not the last voyage of the Demeter instead I am talking about a film out of South Korea called project wolf hunting I would venture to say that this is the bloodiest horror movie of 2023 really

yeah yeah we all the blood spilled is buckets and buckets Renfield may compete so I just that had just occurred to me but we've got a group of criminals on a cargo ship being transported from the Philippines to South Korea now things turn bad when these criminals get free and begin a bloody gory murder spree but then things go from bad to worse when something from deep within the bowels of the ship is set loose at which point everyone must run for their lives one of my friends over on letter box

to named horror muse wrote up a quick review over on letter box there that is clever and succinct I wish I'd written it so I'm gonna read the read it right now it reads give me an under siege die hard con air story mixed with the ultraviolence of each of the killer old boy and the raid

well drench it with drench it with evil dead type Gore and add an overlord esque twist and boom you get this mad head case of a film and so I actually wrote that everybody I'm horror news no much love horror muse you did a great job on that one I wish I'd written that but couldn't word it better now I know some people out there aren't big on action horror I know Dave Z you know says he doesn't really he can't really follow action movies and I get that he's

explained himself on that on many shows and Jay has often stated that action horror places the protagonist in an empowered role against the threat and he doesn't like that well you know for any of you out there who do enjoy horror that incorporates action I encourage you to come for the high body count in the buckets of blood and stay for the horror sci-fi mayhem that comes about when this movie really hits it strides so that's

project wolf hunting at number nine is this sound intriguing to you doctor bishop what is the country of origin again I believe South Korea man South Korea can like do no wrong I don't know what's going on over there if it's that we have a generation of filmmakers who grew up in war but they know

horror I am so impressed with everything I've seen out of South Korea and just Asian horror in general is really brought its game so I was completely unfamiliar with this one this is I just heard it from you and I'm intrigued so I'm I'm going to give this one a go

especially because of that brilliant description yes I know horror muse damn you for having the best review out there that I've read so yes anyways yes that's a project wolf hunting at my number nine and doctor walking dead what have you got for us in the number eight spot goods or all right I know I have a preamble to every single thing I'm saying but I'm in my teaching mode now so I did not like this film when I originally saw it I was really

disappointed under everybody was like but this is the second coming this is the greatest film ever made and I thought you know am I missing something or was it the fact that I fell asleep during the first 30 minutes

so I said I'm going to give this another watch and I'm going to stay awake and you know what it's actually a really great film this is this is another about 90 minutes by the way I am really a fan of the 90 to 100 minute horror film you know sometimes they can sustain the full two hours but I'm liking this distance this this run I'm realizing how how many of tour films I have because this is another writer director and you will know this immediately Lee Kronin

ah who decided he would take a more urban take on the cabin in the woods scenario with evil dead rise so I gave this one another chance I love the opening I know there's been some polarization around the frame narrative I thought it was really cool maybe it's because I'm a literature professor but but the actual content really really great I think that it actually pulled some punches which is fine it's not a

huge critique it's just the way people had talked up some of the violence I was a little disappointed but the use of the door people as a cinematic and narrative device genius I mean that kind of stuff was really really amazing I thought the climax went not only into Sam Ramy territory but early Peter Jackson country and you know by that point you're just like I'm I'm here for the ride whatever I'm going to take it once again we have a we do have a horror film that features a

chainsaw written by someone who has never used a chainsaw but you know what it's fine suspension of disbelief on there so I am recanting my initial ah crotchety review and I am going to give evil dead rise and eight out of 10 and it is going to land on my number seven spot

oh wonderful wonderful I picked up what you were putting down there with the cold open there with the you know you being a literature professor and all and with the well the weathering heights I believe wasn't it wasn't that not the brilliant that's yeah that was that was that was rather a nice there and yeah the the use of the people as our new version if you will this updated version of the cabin floor trap door yeah was rather nice I quite I did enjoy that yes I do think this film pulled some

punches I can't disagree with that but I do think it managed to get in some unexpected punches especially when you look at the I'll just say the the casting if you will the the the the formation of our of our cast of characters and who they are to one another there were sometimes I was like okay you may have pulled that punch there but you didn't pull that one or that one I'll just correct oh absolutely so yeah I'm I'm with you there excellent choice with evil dead rise

here at number eight or yes yes I'm coming in with saw ten I'm always tempted to call this movie saw X but I don't I don't call well Dave Zeyn I had a conversation about that I don't call saw five saw V so I have to be consistent doctor walking dead I have to stop 10 it is yes my friends I I do love this franchise much to Ron Martin's Chagrin and I can't believe that this 10th entry is as good as it is I doubt that the filmmakers behind

those first few saw films had any inkling that it would develop into a franchise that has put out films fairly consistently over the past 20 years I don't think they were in that head space when they're making those early movies and I mentioned this because the problem that this franchise is

longevity inadvertently created upon killing off jigsaw in the third film is that they had to find clever ways to bring John Kramer into the mix each time and these you know pastumus appearances in the sequels that followed were always welcome but as the series kept going on you

could get the sense that every everybody responsible for killing John Kramer off early on like we're like dang it we should have shouldn't done that quite yet because you know this is a sort of series where you can just bring him back from the dead so the only other way to properly bring John back

into the fold is to do what this film does and give us this interquel that takes place between saw one and two I think that's what they call that I think that's the official term for I almost had prequel it is like no that's an interquel no thank you I am laughing because I've

read it but I have never heard it yet pronounced out loud so me neither my son and I were having a discussion about requels prequels and sidequels and these things and so yes and but this one yes takes place between saw saws one and two and so here in saw ten John Kramer is actually back

and that's what this series is kind of needed for quite some time as the film itself goes you know we follow John Kramer's he's trying to come to terms with his terminal cancer diagnosis he gets word that there's a cure so he flies the Mexico for an experimental procedure only find that there

is in fact no cure and he's just been taken advantage of all he's at his lowest and the issue there is him being jigsaw you kind of messed with the wrong guy and hilarity as a guy named Andy from movie podcast because in sues it's not terribly complex this movie kind of just is what it is

and it does the job I don't think it's a perfect movie by any stretch I had a few complaints that I voiced in more depth on the exploding heads episode that would maybe take a little more time to do here than we have and nothing damning just logistical things and a philosophical question

or two about the way the killing happens and you know the spirit of John Kramer's philosophy and why he does what he does and all in all it's not often that a 10th entry in a series delivers like this does or at least like it did for me and I'm happy that this one does just that that's saw 10

Kyle are you a soft fan at all I am and I do think saw 10 is a return to form and I think it is because the return of John Kramer who really is the the heart and soul of the film of this franchise because it is charisma of you know the moral ambiguity of having such such a such a charismatic

killer you know not since Hannibal Lecter really have we seen a guy like this and I did I have talked about it in some detail after new horror movies did a saw retrospective I did one with J that is coming up on a year old now and it is possible that I will see it released before my death

so I'm not suspecting that will air before this will air but I do have that out there I also quibbled a little bit with some of the some of the suspension of disbelief and some of the in retrospect somewhat out of character behavior from Kramer and but I was probably at an 8 out of 10

except I had to knock a point a full point off for a shani smith wig that just yeah yeah that's took it took me and I know that sounds funny but it took me so out of the movie where it's like okay I know she's older and we need to make her look like she did but it is so bad it is so

distracting and so sorry shani smith love you but not with this hair and yes indeed I think that Tobin Bell had the benefit of already being you know much older 20 years ago when the first movie came out and so the 20 years he aged from since that first movie just kind of it's like seeing Patrick

Stewart you know it's like it's just kind of all the same but yeah it was kind of a key 20 years there for her being much younger and then kind of shifting into the forward that much time so I I can understand because even my son and I was like is that her I was like no that's the same

mattress son yeah and I was you know but anyways yeah I'm glad I can't wait to hear that's all retrospective I'm a huge fan of the franchise as a whole and so I look forward to that whenever that comes out was that on considering the cinema was it here with some new horror movies

little spoiler though saw the original saw 10 out of 10 amen it's the only one I've given a 10 out of 10 to okay but but there's a smattering of ups and downs along the path and so maybe it'll maybe it'll air well I can't wait to hear that I agree with you on that score for the original

saw so yes everyone I mean I could talk soft for a lot longer than Jay would like for us to hear but after walking dead tell us about your number seven of 2023 all right this might get me some hate but I don't care yes I don't mind the horror comedy I really don't I love

them especially especially and we've we've talked about this and different people have talked about this there's a difference between a film that's comedic and a film that has characters are humorous right so you can have characters who are funny that doesn't necessarily make it a comedy

and I think that this one is a genre mashup that's brilliant so internet movie database describes this film in generic terms as slasher horror teen horror comedy horror sci-fi can you tell what it is I have one guess and it's a film I didn't see initially during the actual 2023 but it is

what if it's what I think it is is it from Japan no okay then I do not know so this is from director non-natchka con and it is totally killer oh I really well okay first off this movie is made for someone like me because the majority of the film takes place in 1987 in 1987 I was I was an eighth

grader so I wasn't 17 like Jamie is our character in this but this is kind of my age and the idea okay the slasher stuff right I think the slasher stuff is really actually pretty good I like the mass killer I think the mask is creepy I like that it is legit slasher slash right so we've got a big

butcher knife and other kind of inventive tools of mayhem but we're taking this actress who I just increasingly have me coming enamored with this this kiren shipca yes in a shipca I think she's really good I think I've seen her in a lot of different things playing kind of diverse roles

sometimes she's a star sometimes she's just a bit part or character actor I think she's doing great but what I love about this movie is the humor comes up and again it's not jokie per se but this is this is a time travel slasher film ladies and gentlemen she is incredulous about what we were like in

the eighties and it just the jokes don't stop coming how she tries to figure out 87 slang and how where we were completely non politically correct and and just all this stuff that's happening on another layer and that's all just has nothing to do with the slasher or portion of the narrative

so I thought it was super super clever it has a carnival is really central to this so you've got a little kind of weird something wicked this way comes going on you've got obviously back to the future going on and you definitely have you know Halloween at Al going on and some of it was a little predictable but but I thought the ending was really cool and to my knowledge I have never seen a sequence that takes place inside a gravitron amusement park ride which my child my 11 year old

rode just yesterday at the county fair until he was sick so I just I think there's so many different there's so many different things going on in this film it is just fun it's not super scary I mean it's got some predictable slasher stuff but it also has the you know it scratches the itch

if you're a slasher person but it's also just fun it's just a fun ride from start to finish especially if you're of a certain age and generation so that and I'm giving this one a nine out of 10 because I just had so much fun totally killer there you go what did you think of this one did you see it

yes I did we did a review of this over on Jay the Desert New Horror movies and it hasn't hasn't seen the light of day I believe it was for we were doing a bunch of Halloween season coverage last year okay and yeah this one fits that description this is a Halloween themed movie and at times and so it belongs in that season if you're making your list and you're trying to okay what what can I have besides the obvious choices of Halloween trick-a-treat terrifying and you know the those top 10 that

you know this you can fit this right in there and it'll be a welcome addition this is this is exactly like you said it it is fun this is a super fun movie and Cunen Shipka I would say is my favorite of the new school of screen queens she I've liked her the best and just as a person she

comes off as quite the classy gal I follow around social media just to see what movie she's going to be doing and she's she's always she's always she keeps it she keeps it real adorable and respectable and I dig that about her she's yeah she she's really cool and in fact I finally saw long legs

finally when it hit VOD because it wasn't playing near me and man she has a bit part in this and it's some of the best acting she's ever done Oz Perkins says this girl let's let's act and she's like all right

let's go and so you're gonna want to see that buddy when you when you see what she the part she has you're gonna be like wow you are unrecognizable I think that's what kind of what he was going for with that movie but that's a whole other review yes totally killers an absolute blast and I do highly

recommend it and back that choice so coming in at number seven for me is a film I'm happy to say managed to jump up a few spots upon rewatch as it was originally my number 10 of 2023 when I did the exploding head show so folks I'm talking about Malum for those not in the know you know Malum is

a remake of 2015's last shift both of which follow a rookie police officer as she's tasked with guarding a police station the night before it is about to be decommissioned well as the night goes on strange events lead our rookie to believe the station to be haunted and so we'll just leave

that there now what's interesting here is that Malum was also directed by the director of last shift yes folks Anthony de Blasie remade his own film not even 10 years after the fact quite the filmmaking rarity now of note J and I reviewed this on episode 64 of this podcast the same episode

where we reviewed my number 10 pick blood you'll want to give that a listen if you haven't already but so last shift was received generally positively in the horror community which is why news of a last shift remake didn't sit well with a lot of folks and here's the deal though and

personally I didn't care for last shift or rather to be more accurate I loved it up until the final act and I believe that last shift suffers from a bad ending and a lack of focus on the evil cult at the heart of the film now you know wouldn't it be amazing if a movie came along that fixed

all these issues well folks this is the reason Malum jumped from 10 to 7 on this list I'll put it like this have you ever seen a movie you you know it doctor doctor bitch you have you ever seen a movie or you listening out there you are absolutely you're loving this thing and then it commits some

fatal flaw that you can't overlook right we've all been there this has happened to all of us and in some alternate dimension you know in the multiverse there the perfect version of that movie exists for you but you're stuck here in this dimension and you will never see that perfect movie that

exists in universe away well just imagine that somehow some way that perfected version of that movie falls through a whole in time space and it's here in our world ready and available such things never happen but if such a thing were to happen it would be a gift that you mustn't take for granted well at right there my friends is what maylam turned out to be for me like this that is a bold bold and elegant claim well listen it's almost as though writer director de blasie looked into

my brain saw my complaints or he wrote me he's like what okay what what do you think of it okay well listen mr. wazan we can fix that just for you and then he did it and as it never happened in my lifetime before so I don't know it's it finally does so in that way maylam is exactly the movie I wanted last shift to be it writes all of last shifts wrongs in my eyes such that if you're out there

and you've seen neither film I would say watch maylam first because I do believe it to be the superior film and then go back to watch last shift which I think is I think the director would agree with me on this as he did remake the damn film I think he loved the story and it said as much but then

consider last shift to be something of a rough first draft now if you love last shift and didn't have problems the problems I did with that ending and then maylam will seem unnecessary to you and believe me I had a negative frame of mind you'll hear me talk about this with Jay the first time

I watched this I was just like oh god this is just last shift with a little more focus on the cold is it gonna make all the same mistakes and they even seed some of those things that I didn't like and then only to go now we're not doing that and I was like am I gonna love this and so I had to watch it again to go all right I get it now because I'll tell you my first watch was miserable but this second one was not I really did enjoy this so that's maylam for me at number seven so

dr. Wackenette have you seen either or both of these movies I've seen last shift and because of your review I did not see this oh because you essentially told me you don't need to see this I know I was slightly underwhelmed

by last shift even though I love the like the poster and some of the some of the stuff there yeah and so I was like I don't know this is interesting right Hitchcock remade film why can't this guy and I was thinking that's interesting and then my my good buddy Watson said don't it's it's

it's not a good movie so I didn't watch it so there you go I was in a negative headspace when I first watched it again that dynamic that Dave Z second viewing I'm telling you it made me go all right if this movie isn't copying off last shifts homework the way I thought it was then it

is worthy of reconsideration then I realize wait a minute this is the movie I wish last shift to Ben and here it is and that never that never happens where I have like just one thing wrong with a movie or two or three things wrong with a movie and then it's like oh well here you go

here's the fixed version of that so to me this was a gift and it was time I treated it as such the gift that it is so if but if you didn't feel strongly about last shift you may not feel strongly about this that's kind of the I think the people in my unique situation will find

mail him to be a triumph but anybody who's like nah last shift is is my jam then mail him will be unnecessary or if you didn't feel strongly about it you'd be like oh it might still be unnecessary it's it's a strange little dynamic dynamic there but well but it raises such an interesting

scenario so this is a film that is essentially remade in a short time period by the creator and here is a a film critic who didn't like it but then did so I am now more intrigued well that that wouldn't be hard because I was not intrigued but now now I think I want to to check out the

the Mr Watson recant recommendation I would love to hear your thoughts when you do and see if uh maybe this has a the same or similar effect on you so yes everybody that is mail him at number seven and we've got a pair of sixes for you find folks or Kyle tell us about your number six of

2023 what have you got for us all right I would like to point out that we have not had any doubles yet we have not replicated each other yet have we not so not yet so I don't know how the other boys are doing and maybe some of the things we've mentioned has have been discussed but that's kind of the

cool way we're doing it this year is where we're recording in pairs but we can't hear each others so it's possible that I have introduced a film that now someone else is just reintroduced but it'll be cool it'll be cool to see how this uh that plays out I'm interested to see which is our

first double because your top your first four none of them appear on my top 10 list at all so that's kind of cool yeah indeed so this this pick is going to make some of the Avengers happy and it's going to make some of the Avengers sad and it might actually annoy one of the Avengers this

is another film where I watched it and thought not bad interesting cool then I listen to a lot of reviews a lot of people talk about it I listened to new move new horror movies talk about it and then I thought ah now I have no idea what I thought some people liked it some people hated it I've got to

do the Dave Z second watch and I am talking about scream six ooh I really like scream six and it's gone to the point now not just amongst our colleagues but in general where I almost feel the need to apologize for this opinion but um I think it's it may be my second favorite screen film honestly um

and I think one of the reasons I love it is one of the reasons everybody else doesn't like it or the people who don't like it why they don't like it so yeah I'm just checking my list yes this is my second favorite screen film very good and it's been out for a while so my old spoilers here but um

one of the things I love is the cold open and I'm biased first off it's one of the uh most amazing screen queens we have so yes who is substantially better looking than her father uh but he's also cool so it that's that's a thing it is also a film professor ah so film professor in the opening

gambit so I love that but what I really loved and if you haven't seen screen six yet hit that fast forward button like six times we think it's the killer and it's not the killer which is which is a uh a switch a rou that they've never really done before so we think oh here's the killer and

then it's like holy crap the killer is already revealing himself to us the audience and then it's like nope and nope and what I really like about it what I really appreciate about it is all the screen films up until this point have been really big into this idea of the killers are trying to

recreate filmic qualities in real life particularly horror films sequels trilogies reqels blah blah blah blah blah this is a movie in which the antagonist doesn't give a crap about movies yeah and that is the last line before the title sequence and I loved it I loved it at that moment because it was

like okay we have something new we have a different take on on this formula but it's still going to be something of the formula and then okay he's got a shotgun that's fine I can roll with that because it's not primarily a shotgun it's still primarily a butcher knife or bowie knife now

the last act yeah it makes no sense I will openly admit that how did he get all this stuff how is it possible this place even exists and what's the deal with people who just won't die from mortal injuries I agree with all that yeah some of the when you find out whose ghost phase some of the

fights in retrospect don't make sense but nothing is a grig as a grigis as that like five foot two girl who somehow takes out Dewey in in scream five buddy thank you thank you thank you for saying that I will never let that go I hate that so thank you yeah that was I cannot forgive the entire film

because of that moment it's this one okay it gets weird and yes there are people who come back that maybe shouldn't and there are people who live who probably should have died and they may not be back now well then I and they're not coming back now because we set up a

trilogy inside the see inside the franchise that is now not going to become a trilogy unless that's what scream eight becomes whatever interesting I liked this movie the thing with the ladder across the alley great suspense great tension I did like the idea of the climactic location

even though it doesn't make a ton of sense I like it I like it so sue me I know some of the other Avengers really hate this movie but I think it's awesome so nine out of 10 awesome you know I was I was hoping that would be on somebody's list because I have a lot of issues with that film but the

positives that you mentioned I did I'm right there with you somehow I I did not like scream five I sort of went into scream six with my arms crossed and wound up having a lot of fun with it despite the list of issues I have with it but the thing was I grew to like the carpenter sisters and that

cold open it is my second favorite after the original Drew Barrymore cold open I yes and so I was I was over the moon about that and the the location there yes at the end doesn't make sense and a lot of things are kind of feel like the story I don't know what they were doing with some of the

logistics or most of the logistics but man the fan service in this movie was a lot of fun I think it's because I'm not of the mind that all fan service has to be a bad thing and so you know when you know you references to Roman from part three or this suit from that or that I was like as a

screen fan I was like that is really cool that they're even bringing this little detail up and that was working upon me as I sat there in the theater and so I especially when you're at film six in a franchise yes just just embrace the fan service it's fine if somebody in the audience is

excited yeah geez don't throw on everybody yeah I'm right I'm right there with you and I was the same way with Halloween 2018 there was a reference to basically every single one of the other Halloween movies that had had come before that and I was just thumbs up skis about that so I

same here so yeah I was glad to see this on this list it won't be on my list for sure and I know Jay you know doesn't like us to reveal what will or won't be on the list but I am happy to see it because I like those movies that stand out from the crowd and it this one just might and I

appreciate that I agree plus Jay's not here yes he is not yeah he can't stop us he won't hear this for another year but well you talked about us having no repeats well we here at number six I do have our first repeat offender no and yes that is a 24th talk to me there it is yes here it

is and back when I recorded with exploding heads this movie almost didn't make my top 10 it was in solidly in my top 23 that we we did there but yeah like I said earlier the Dave's II watch caused this movie to shoot up the ranks in fact on that exploding heads list I had it in my number

seven spot it is now happily number six and yeah like you're saying the film follows a group of friends who discover how to conjure spirits using them in a bombed hand and they become hooked on the new thrill until one of them goes too far and unleashes terrifying supernatural forces so

the thing was that first viewing I feel like I missed a number of key elements that kept me from fully understanding and engaging with the film I couldn't understand what people were seeing when it was showered with all that praise it received but when I gave it the rewatch just about

everything came falling into place and I'm delighted to say that there's far more ghostly other worldly deception going on that I had realized and this informs the story right up to the climax of the movie and the character of Mia became clear to me this time around as well and while she

is a lovable lead she's got some fatal flaws that are responsible for much of the horror that falls everyone else around her though way her loneliness drives her toward and away from people at the wrong times the nice constant use of the color yellow in every outfit she wears that

indicates an underlying fear of doing the right thing you know a chicken we see this illustrated in the beginning with the kangaroo there's a scene come upon a kangaroo that just has been hit by a vehicle presumably and then this plays out again in the end of the film and so we'll just leave

that alone without spoiling that but in speaking of which I don't I still don't quite understand the very ending there's a scene that takes place next to a highway and I've watched it over and over and over just rewinding this clip and I got to talk this out with some people pretty soon

just to just to see what everybody thinks of that and we'll just leave it at that because I it can go one of a couple ways but regardless of the details I don't quite get yet there at the end Mia's loneliness complex comes full circle there in the final scene of the film and it's quite profound excellent original story that has more moving parts than I had at first realized so talked to me at number six our first repeat doctor walking dead. Yes, I need to rewatch it because

I saw it last year. Yeah, and some of the things you just alluded to I don't even quite remember but but hearing hearing your excellent analysis first off makes you wish makes me wish you were in my class and not these dunderheads kidding I'm kidding guys you're all very smart for your age

but I think I need to also take a closer look at some stuff and delve into this a little bit more I think that I have often underestimated a 24 films sometimes I think they they are pretty picky and selective of their their fair and and I should I should take that a little more seriously

sometimes so I would like to revisit this one. Excellent and one of the things I noticed upon rewatch and I just asked a question I was just like hey how come this ghost she keeps seeing looks wet all the time and then I was like oh and that one locked out like a portion of the movie for me

so that's just he putting a little little little thing out there for for you for when you next watch Kyle we've reached halfway point why it's all we're only an hour in so apparently this is going to be a 10 hour episode so enjoy everyone yes yes enjoy yes enjoyed that work days worth

of podcasting high level gold standard podcasting how you're holding up well our segments are yeah oh well I'm holding up great I mean I've been I've been waiting for this for seven years so I'm super excited to finally talk about 2023 yeah as am I so yeah yeah yeah see keep

what we'll keep it we'll keep it I'll keep it moving so tell us doctor Bishop what you picked as your number five of the year okay I have a foreign film a non-English language film a Netflix original and this is one that sounds lame and sounds silly and I just went for it and

oh my gosh I was so surprised this is Pune France and by Patrick Eklund it is a Scandinavian I think it's Swedish but this is this is a Swedish comedy horror mystery thriller with some some definite slasher elements and in English yeah it is Swedish it's it's called the conference

it comes from Netflix and I am gonna just I'm gonna say this right out at the front this film is not for everybody I could see some people would find this really derivative some people might find it really ridiculous but as someone who attends professional conferences and work retreats it resonated

with me because because and I also I love the office and this to me was the office meets Friday the 13th that's just what I felt was going on we had this cast of co co-workers who did it or didn't like each other there's all this tension and backstory and they're outbickering and arguing

and there just happens to be you know a serial killer on the loose who has a ridiculously silly yet terrifying helmet mask on and you know wildness ensues so it's just a really bizarre film dark comedy slasher horror comedy horror mystery thriller so I think it's worth checking out I think if

you want to see something a little bit unusual something that takes established tropes and mashes them up in an unexpected way and you don't mind some subtitles go check out the conference I did give this one I gave it a nine out of 10 I think there's something I think there's something

we're going on here so there you go yeah this just oh this just missed my top 10 and I'm sad it's not here because I I had a lot of fun with this movie and this is a teen free slasher yeah that yeah features an interesting more mature cast of characters who are running for their lives and I

greatly appreciate that because Lord knows you can easily write up a slasher scenario that doesn't have to involve you know the kids you know I dig the idea that we've got victims of this murderer who actually do deserve their own fair share of comeuppance and of course some who don't and uh

you know I mean that I guess that's you know that can be art it can be argued that's the case and a great deal of slasers but there's a you know yeah there are victims caught in the crossfire or in a guilty by association there's a yeah I had I had a lot of fun with this one and in fact

on my buddy podcaster Eric Webster of the dark discussions podcast was texting me as he was watching this and he was just like oh my because he also attends work work based conferences like this and he was just like I know these people I know all these people I'm sure you do as well

doctor oh yes and I'm currently in charge of those things which made it even more delicious oh oh wait a minute does does that mean you you would be I've said too much oh yeah okay okay so my number five well it's interesting I also have a foreign film that you can find on

Netflix oh this one comes to us from Chile it is called El Conde yes yes it's the lone art house film on my list and it's a truly sophisticated film with that it's an artsy black and white vampire movie everyone a dictator walks home alone at night you could

say I made that joke on exploding heads and for those that are in the know I had to make it again again can't let it go to waste the movie starts off in the year 1793 where we we we follow a young French loyalist soldier who just witnessed the execution of Mary Antoinette and steals her head

so this young man turns out to be a vampire who spends the coming centuries quelling revolutions here and there only to rise to prominence in South America in the 1970s as Chile's infamous dictator Augusto Pinochet most of the movie takes place well after Pinochet's rule where we find that he faked his death in the 1990s and has been living on a remote farm ever since so now at 250 years old our boy has lost the will to live and must see to his affairs before passing on

and so man this is a wildly inventive and gorgeously shot movie that illustrates the blood sucking immortal nature of the ruling elites I think that whichever side you fall on these sorts of things whatever the red or blue nature of your blood there's something there that we all kind of look at

and go yeah they yeah how about that but this movie also serves which I didn't mention but as a dark satirical comedy and and to back this up we've got exorcist none accountants got undead Russian butlers human hearts and blenders a cameo by one Margaret Thatcher if you not really Margaret Thatcher

but if you thirst for something on the foreign art house side of the Horde coin then track this down on Netflix and enjoy now I'm no scholar on Pinochet my exposure to him came few years back as I was looking into whether or not the US secretly backed the military coup

there in the early 70s that got Pinochet into power and this sort of oh that's how I found out about him and you know but that that said you can enjoy this movie without knowing all that much about him the last thing I'll say it's worthwhile to and I even kind of want to dive into this

further myself to check out the discourse that surrounds this film and its filmmakers because as I read reviews of this film from the Chilean region I found that some folks out there seem to have major beef with what they believe this film has to say about senior Pinochet

and these filmmakers specifically as statists or or this or that listen I I can't agree nor dispute what these folks say I'm just a United States boy up in the Pacific Northwest I can't speak to those those you know political inner workings of Chile but it was highly fascinating to see kind of

this this conversation going from people in that region and how they reacted to this film and how the politics of that region caused them to react differently to what it was interesting so I can't speak on it but I just was from from a deep outsider view was going how about that whoa okay

well thankfully ignorant old me could just enjoy the movie for what you know at at face value more or less so I'll leave it at that that's El Conde at number five what say you doctor Bishop I did but I saw it in 2024 so I got to this one a little late and I wasn't I didn't know what I

was getting into but let's just say that my because Chile that's Spanish or Portuguese is Spanish I do believe Spanish so it took me an embarrassingly long amount of time before I realized El Conde meant the count so I'm just gonna admit to that on the air got you got you and then I

I there's a narrator and I thought and the narrations in English and I thought the narrator sounds like Margaret Thatcher no way you made that can out yeah but I but I said that's ridiculous I don't know why it is it is someone because it sounds like Jillian Anderson who played Margaret

Thatcher on the crown I'm just you know I'm just all mixed up and then when it's revealed it is actually Margaret sure like this is ridiculous it is such an unusual film it is it is kind of slow in places yeah yeah it is filmed like a more sober what we do in the shadows it does have

some interesting vampire lore concerning hearts as opposed to just blood and it's just it's just interesting so if you have any interest in vampires in general or frankly Dracula in particular and is this all in black and white yes it is all in black and white right so yeah yeah all right

Mac yeah oh hey it's a vampire count Mac it's in black and white and I don't know if you speak Spanish or not but Mac you got to check this one out if you haven't already and maybe it's already been on his list who knows we don't know what's going on we don't know around us we are we are

we are in a bubble and yes the language is the that this film indulges in our Spanish English and French so well I I loved it ah cool awesome I'm happy to hear that this one hit me in a strange way and I was like there's no way this isn't making my list because as the singular sort of movie it is

all right we're back breaking in this is the Watson Kyle countdown we are in the Watson Kyle countdown and we've got another giveaway don't forget kids rules to win we're in general to muscle in the US unless you're macula we are giving away for this episode thanks giving who the holiday we're giving away the entire holiday actually that's right yeah yeah yeah so you'll be getting some sweet potatoes with burned marshmallows on top all dry turkey yes and yeah that's probably about it

so that's all we got so the winner though of the movie Thanksgiving is Grizzly Gus oh I'm glad you said the movie because Grizzly Gus is originally from California and I don't think they celebrate Thanksgiving in California no I don't think so either I'd yeah but the movie Grizzly Gus

Blu-ray plus digital yes so you'll have a reason to celebrate Mr. Grizzly yes all right we have another host giveaway Jay uh oh people are gonna get really uptight about this yeah and weirdly it's it's Mack again I'm just kidding it is a zombie type movie apparently

called winter tide whoo and the winner is not Kyle Sarah thought it was gonna be Kyle yeah they did because you said zombies so they assumed it's in fact Greg amorous oh oh oh yes that's right when and Greg that is a Blu-ray DVD digital of winter tide and um if Greg I know I can't remember if Greg has seen that one but that is a special little unique creepy little zombie flick very cool and and an important note to make uh make regarding Grizzly Gus's gift is for Greg amorous

also will be very thankful if he has it before Thanksgiving we're back everyone mr. Watson

doctor walking dead we don't know you have to say mr oh yes I have to do the mr. Watson yes we are your daring um dapper and dashing duo for the duration that's all I got I wish I could have kept on going there but uh nice yeah I mean we we are exactly that doctor bishop and uh we've got some fours on our hands here so doctor walking dead I gotta know what it's getting serious folks it's getting serious it is now the top four now if you've been listening for the last seven hours you will

recall that mr. Watson's top four never changed it did not so this is going to be the the best of the best now I am super excited because my none of my top four have been named yet so will we have substantial overlap or will the two of us and our divergent tastes be on full display I don't know

but here we go like Jay I am a huge fan of the polarizing m night shei amalan shia shia shia amalan shama lenn shama lenn emnich emnich emnich yes I am also a student of adaptation and I have recently become very interested on this kind of recent well I used recent twice uh on this kind of new

trend for um rental horror so we've we've had a number of films in the last five years about an Airbnb or rental situation that goes horribly wrong yeah uh and so I was super intrigued by not get the cabin uh particularly because it's based on a novel by one of my favorite um

contemporary horror novelists Paul Trimbley by the way if you're not familiar with trot Paul Trimbley's work it is excellent and the dude is a high school math teacher he is a full time math teacher and in his spare time he writes these amazing horror novels so that's Trimbley uh not get the cabin

shama lenn so you know you're some of the stuff you're going to get you're going to get some long takes you're going to get some slow dialogue delivery you're going to give the gradual reveal of information that doesn't make sense operating within the the network of Trimbley's novel and you

get tracks out of makeup so I like this because it goes in different places it seems to be uh home invasion horror so it's kind of got this flavor of you know the strangers and stuff but very quickly it goes in a different direction and it becomes a little bit of a genre bending film that has an

unexpected unlikeable appearance by uh Ron weasley rooper grint it is in this one yes and it goes in really really interesting directions it is woke without being obnoxious about it uh it's not trying to punch you in the face with anything it's just it's a gay couple and their adopted daughter

and honestly the fact that their gay doesn't matter and nobody makes a big deal about it it's just part of the story um so I really love this one now a little bit of trivia uh because of my weird career I did have the opportunity last spring to have dinner with Paul Trimbley what and

the novel has a very different ending than the film so naturally I asked about it what's about what's with the difference of the two and he said he was incensed he hates the ending of the movie and when he was on location they flew him out for one day of shooting he attempted to kind of

talk about it and was allegedly shut down so he he just emphasized uh to those of us at the meal that once and it once a person sells their property to become a film they lose all control over that property uh but it's interesting and so I'm actually going to teach this in the spring

I teach a film adaptation course and I'm going to teach it because the endings are so dramatically different and I think that'll give my students a lot to kind of monkey around with so anyway I liked it I liked it a lot um I don't know how other people feel about it I know that you know

shumelon can be kind of hit or miss but this is this is a nine out of ten for me uh and I just bought it the other day to go with my signed copy of the book and so there you go oh wow what where is Paul Tremblay from he's northeast yeah he's in the northeast yeah um I can't

remember exactly where but he's just a normal god yeah math teacher that that's so cool um because I the reason I was able to find out about him before this movie came out because uh you know I listened to the dark discussions podcast and one of the hosts over there Phil I believe

his friends with him or something like that and they live in the same area and so I was I his name had kind of been in my head and then it was like oh they adapted this book and yes I was aware of the different endings and was uh you know is shumelon and I am quite I do quite like this movie um

we had reviewed it on some episode long ago of jade the des new horror movies and I was uh I think Greg immortus and davz were the super high guys on this or no as gill man Joel and uh and davz were super high and I was just under them they were they were like oh hey we're the ones who are

ahead I'm like hey I'm pretty high in it too you can include me and you're fun but um yeah I was like hey I'm getting left out here I was I my score is high but yes the I think the shumelon really likes to embrace a for better and for worse this idea of you know things happening for reasons

he really likes this and sometimes he does it well and other times you know you scratch your head going yeah see what you were going for there man but you know yeah maybe next time in this case that mentality and him trying to get to that place with this movie flies in the face of the

I guess you could say the ramifications of the novels ending and what that might have to say about things oh that's all I don't want to spoil anybody who might potentially read that because I think you should go into that book knowing there's a difference but not knowing what or how or why or

whom yeah group of grint was great and in this movie and I want to see more of him and Dave Batista my goodness he's he's this guy's got it he's the acting chops just he's getting better and better and so yeah yeah me same here and yeah I'm happy to drags the destroy yes I'm right there with you

this is a movie I quite quite enjoyed awesome at number four for me think we're keeping it uh my number five was a Spanish language film for for the most part and this one appears to be in keeping Spanish language as well I'm coming in with a fascinating film out of way nose

edes when evil lurks and man this film throws you head long into a world that's got in inexplicable malignant sit work and just asks you the viewer to figure things out as you go I found this frustrating at first because there are so many things operating in the background of the story

that I'm I'm hungry to know about I want to know and even the second viewing of this film didn't really further enlighten me on a lot of that as it as you know the Dave's second view often does but I've made my peace with that I think I get that this world isn't meant to be fully figured out

but I will say that what we got what we got here is nothing short of brilliant Demian Rugna knows how to create horror films that have a lasting effect upon the viewer he proved that with terrified or Autorados from 2018 oh it's the guy who did terrified yeah I love that film same a haunted

neighborhood and these inexplicable reasons for things happening that took me three watches to fully understand we did a review of that over on the wasy party horror show and I came up with a working hypothesis about things in the film I hadn't heard anybody say it at the time since

that I have heard people say it who I know didn't hear me just proves that okay I was on the right track yeah wonderful movie and so is this this is a movie as far as punches being pulled yeah I don't think this one pulls any you're not safe in the world of this film no matter who you are an animal

a child what friendly old grandma is a serious is this a dog die yeah are we dealing with a serious horror movie doctor Bishop if the dog dies in a kid dies we are off the hook you are off the hook and indeed we are and yeah you're you're screwed in this movie I think my only complaint is and

ever was the way the Pedro the character Pedro is written some of his bumbling stupidity is absolutely excused for certain but there's some things that happen in the final act and I'm still baffled by and I think I need another viewing to make sense of it if indeed sense can be made of it

it's with regards to Pedro's decisions there in the final act and why the script thought these were the things he should actually do in the movie and so I hope that a whole year later I would have this maybe figure it out or or I would warm up to it that hasn't happened yet sadly but it's not this

is a foundational problem for me nothing deep-seated just something I'm like I know this director has a reason I just don't get it and you know this movie would not be so high on my list if this were if that were a complaint that eats it me and caused me to dislike this movie in any way I'm

it set number four I love this movie just a little annoyance that I'm just like I'm annoyed sometimes when I'm like saying it I see the thing and I can't figure out the thing and I know it's figure out a bowl but here I am in the dark just a dummy but that's okay sometimes that's okay

and so but without that without the way this this movie is a triumph and it's one that you absolutely must see if you manage to escape 2023 without giving it a viewing that's when evil lurks at number four loved it loved it loved it I know you were pretty positive on this one as well if I remember

correctly Dr. Bishop any any comments I don't I don't really know what you're talking about yeah mean either moving on no weird no it's it sounds vaguely familiar I forgot a lot well maybe your memory will be jogged at some point and if you have any further comments just butt in and we'll

talk about it okay so if you remember if you remember if not fine so my friend we are here in the top three there's a light there Dr. Bishop at the end of the tunnel after all so tell us Kyle what is your number three top three top three one three all right this was my top one film this was my

number one film for months and I know that honor is shared by Greg Immortis this was Greg's top one film number one film for months as well I did not expect it to be in my number one film it is a dark comedy with splatter horror vampire horror action comedy fantasy horror it is of course

Renfield so I I love Dracula I teach Dracula quite a bit I've published on Dracula so I'm I'm a really big fan of Dracula at the beginning of 2023 I thought Renfield was going to suck and the last voyage of the Demeter was going to be awesome it was the opposite experience for me personally

indeed same I did not like last voyage of the Demeter and I know what people did and that's great God bless you I didn't either I thought I was alone there okay uh no I thought it was really boring and it was terrible in terms of adaptation and a lot of it just didn't make any sense to me what's

whoever now Renfield when you say okay we're gonna have Nick Cage play Dracula so your your response to that is that's stupid Nick Cage has always wanted to play Dracula just like he's always wanted to play Superman there's no way he can pull off Dracula holy crap is this a great Dracula this is a

fantastic Dracula because this is you know the Dracula that may be one of the closest to Stoker's envisioning of Dracula and I I'm a huge fan of Nicholas Hoote playing Renfield here I especially sense the menu I just I think this guy's really great I think he has a lot going on and I'll watch

Aquafina and freaking anything so this movie is really unexpected because it's a comedy yes but it is you mentioned this hours ago it is so graphically violent and there is so much blood in this film this is this is in the realm of you know Jackson's zombie movie it's just so over

the top and it's so ridiculous and it's so silly now it's an interesting partner with Victor Frankenstein because Victor Frankenstein came out a few years ago and it's told from Igor's perspective I didn't see that yeah it's Daniel Radcliffe plays Igor okay but it takes itself a little too

seriously it's it's got some moments and it goes really over the top and whoever made the movie really liked Freud that's all I'm gonna say okay but it's similar because you have the story the well-known story told by the like sidekick and this Renfield is so amazingly charismatic and the

directions this film goes are really pretty unexpected and it has a climax unlike any Dracula climax you'll ever see so I love this film the next time I do teach Dracula in adaptation I'm adding this to the the list we're definitely gonna watch it I do own this one I'm checking yep I don't

know I'm blue right so I love this film oh man excellent choice there with Renfield yeah this is all about the destructive relationship that Renfield has with Dracula as a servant and it explores that yes yes the code yes through the lens of the 12-step self-help movement and it serves as a

means to show us just how much Renfield wants to get himself out from underneath Dracula's control and man Nicholas Cage is stellar as Dracula I he's a force to be reckoned with and you can tell he's having a field day in this role he steals every scene he's in and oh yeah I think I've

mentioned this elsewhere at times when talking about Nick Cage but he started off as this quirky promising young actor who rose to a list prominence won an Academy Award before becoming an action star and then something happened and he became this living legend of the B movie world

man he kills it here in Renfield and Renfield himself with Nicholas Holt played by Nicholas Holt rather I've enjoyed him since his days on the British show Skins when he was like a teenager yeah and so I yeah liked like him for a long time he's kind of the bad guy in that show and it's always

been great to see him actually well for a very long time doing the great protagonist but I always kind of see Tony from Skins I'm like oh you're a you you really are an ass though aren't you but you know he does well he's great there's a kill in this movie that is one of my favorite of the year

and it just involves Renfield ripping off someone's arms and then beating them to death with their own severed arms it's just like what isn't to love about that the fight sequence oh man yeah yeah the sheer amount of bloodshed these two spill is just bonkers and so I would like like we

were saying yes hours and and hours and hours ago I think that the only movie that contends with this in terms of bloodshed and body count would be project wolf hunting and yeah I will put that out there but excellent choice here with Renfield I'm all in at number three I've

got a movie that also features a literary character but much different in tone and atmosphere got the pale blue eye oh okay yeah this is a Gothic period piece murder mystery that takes place at West Point Academy in 1830 we've got a brilliant investigator named Augustus Landor who played by

Christian Bale who is here to solve these grizzly occultish murders and at his side as a young pre-celebrity Ed Grail and Poe who for those who didn't know actually was attending West Point real life at this time Poe is played by actor Harry Melling who the world remembers as Dudley Dursley in the Harry Potter movies and I don't know how this ugly duckling he grew up into a strapping young lad and he's living it up here as Ed Grail and Poe so happy for him oh man yeah right yeah I'm

sure he's happy for him as well yeah but yeah to wrap up the premise though Landor Landor and Poe are on the case to find this brutal killer and put an end to this reign of terror now Kyle perhaps the single best thing about this movie for me is the way Christian Bale and Harry Melling interact matching wits and matching wits and crossing words it's something to be holed especially if you're a Poe fan like I am I have a nice leather bound collection of Poe's work and I would read my son the

Raven most nights and Annabelle Lee and me reading him these sorts of things throughout his childhood but cadet Poe here in this movie is an obvious genius and he's you know while Landor is more unassuming with regards to his brilliance he's a little quieter about it he's sort of no he knows

what's going on but he kind of you know he's he's not trying to impress anybody necessarily the way Poe kind of is he got that young bravado to him we got Lucy Boynton who people will know from Osperkins's February aka the black coat's daughter we got Robert DuVal Toby Jones Charlotte

Gainesburg and Gillian Anderson all star cast here each and all give excellent performances is just a beautifully executed movie that may not scream horror like other films on this list maybe yeah it's unlike any other on my list at least but horror does sprout and income from the gothic

tradition and this is absolutely playing in that wheelhouse that's the pale blue eye here at my number three doctor walking dead and he thoughts on this one it's brilliant it's so great it's not on my list because it's too thriller for me that is fair that is fair it's it's more in pose a defon

stage right it's more about this detective novel well not novel but it's kind of a detective story and it does have some supernatural elements that are pretty cool but just to remind everybody in case anyone forgot Christian Bale is such a genius because he disappears into his roles and I've heard

he's got some of those annoying method actor traits but but the guy is so this character and he's so broken and he's so messed up that it's just fascinating to watch and yeah this guy who had the like worst role in Harry Potter is really solid and just the dialogue the the like period

and regional dialect and the kind of the effortless presentation of of that is so good and it's just a captivating film that I um I'd to watch it a second time pretty pretty quickly because I was so caught up in the the lush the production design and the mizonsan and it's

just a beautiful beautiful film it is dark so you need to watch this in a darkened out situation um but I I love it I think it's a it's an amazing film it's probably a nine out of 10 for me I haven't reviewed it formally but it just didn't make my list because it was it was lean and thriller

for me yeah it almost didn't make mine for that reason but then I just I when when we did this uh with when I did this with the exploding heads guys I was like I need it I need it I I forced it I forced it so make sense I will give a quick movie recommendation before we move on

here uh Harry Melling role where he's exceptional have you seen the uh Cohen brothers the ballot of buster scrub oh I have okay I showed the first short in class two day stop no way yeah I did well I love that my son and I will sometimes took because we love the Cohen brothers and we

will sometimes turn that first short on just to watch that and then you know and then go about our you know whatever else we're doing that one comes up frequently in the Watson household so it is so ridiculous I love that song too that's so crazy that the serendipity there the uh yeah the

the synchronicity of it all wow how about that so yeah um we're paired for a reason my friend yes and I do believe that those reasons border on the divine this is Greg Amortis and you're listening to Jay of the dance new horror movies or we love horror movies just as much as you do

mr. Watson and dr. Walking Dead with our penultimate picks of 2023 our silver metal selections Dr. Bishop who who gets that silver medal for you who's at number two what what what what have you got for us okay I'm really excited I love this movie so much and I don't know if everybody has given

it a chance because it is of the dreaded PG 13 and I know that a lot of people you know PG 13 it's too light don't entertain it um it's also a hulu original I didn't know what I was getting into I don't know why even watched it um except that I love the lead actress who is Caitlin Devar yes I love

Caitlin Devar so much because she is just so cute isn't she she's not she's not sexy in any way it's not like I'm lusting after her she's just so cute I just I want her to do well and uh this is Brian Duffield's written and directed film no one will save you yes I didn't really know what

was going on when I started to watch this but but it is he's an amazing movie I I showed it to my students in the spring because there may be ten words of dialogue in the entire film it is almost completely silent because she lives alone because this this poor girl who was ostracized

by the community lives all by herself that's Brynn and so there's no one to talk to so she's quiet most of the time and she lives all by herself out in this big country home and there's an alien encounter and so it reminded me a lot of the the Shirley Jackson novella we've always lived

at the castle and I don't know if you're familiar with that one it's not one of her famous works I am yeah yeah because she's everybody seems to hate her she's cut off she's lonely so there's that going on and then obviously there's there's a very strong flavor of signs from channel but where

this film goes is totally unexpected and I freaking love the ending this might have been an eight out of ten until that ending and then boom ten out of ten I think this movie is just amazing because it takes the alien invasion narrative it makes it super scary and I'll fight anybody for this

this movie scarier than signs I think I think it's much more frightening I think the aliens are much more creepy and scary I think the threat is real is more real that's a weird construction and and the ending is just it's just so brilliant I just I love the ending so much so yeah I am I'm

a big fan of this film and I will I will champion it and prosa light on its behalf but that is no one will save you 2023 yes well yeah Caitlin Devar is she something I I was the whole time I was like you are adorable please marry me I will treat you well I promise no yeah there are some

fascinating cerebral things going on there at the end that I am still I didn't I never did get to give this the rewatch and I am still in the dark about some of that it wasn't immediately apparent to me on that first watch precisely what was happening and it seems some reviews I've heard do suggest

that there's more meat on the bone than I had initially picked up on so I do at some points want to I don't know maybe bring this to horror movie weekly or do some something to where I can highlight this and have an excuse to give it a the second watch I do believe it absolutely

deserves because there's something special here and I know kind of like my my take on talk to me I know there's something I'm ready to unlock I just need the other that this next viewing to do so so excellent choice here well here at number two I am talking about the best slasher of the year

for all mr. Watts in here the long awaited Eli Roth film thanks giving yeah yeah yeah after a black Friday riot ends in tragedy a mysterious thanksgiving inspired killer terrorizes Plymouth Massachusetts the birthplace of the infamous holiday Dr. Wachidetta slasher movies go this

is everything I wanted it to be and more no finally just after decades of holiday themed horror movies Thanksgiving gets its signature movie that will be watched on that day for years to come in instant classic and much respect to Eli Roth for giving us a dead serious slasher with solid characters

some good writing premium kills and great atmosphere my my son and I went to go see this last year on Thanksgiving day itself yeah it's thanksgiving evening rather and yeah we just had fun with it it's not the era that you see from the old grindhouse trailer where you know from where this springs

which seemed to show us something more kind of black Christmas 1974 this modernizes it and feels more like something that might have been put out in the 90s or the 2000s and but yeah I want to see more slasers like this I just was like give me the kills give me a cool killer premise that

will live on you know just by virtue of being part of the holiday I do wonder what a sequel to this movie might look like you know does it pick up where this movie leaves off does it start an entirely new story like Halloween three I'm game either way honestly so yeah I mean just

nothing complex here it's Eli Roth's Thanksgiving at number two did you get a chance to check out Thanksgiving Kyle I did and I liked it so nobody get mad at me because it's not on my list it's definitely the best Thanksgiving horror film yeah yeah and you know probably the most

disturbing of the fake trailers from the grindhouse films yeah I love and I'll just say this about the the kind of conceit it's not the trailer it is no a remake of that film that never existed which I think I think is brilliant it's like okay we're not going to try to make the film there

but we're going to show what if it was made today so it's not in the grindhouse style it's in a contemporary style I think it's really good I think it's solid yeah okay that you know that did not occur to me that it's basically a remake of the movie that we never got that is that is hilarious

well and that's not me I read it somewhere but I think that that it makes sense right why it's so different and why it has references but not direct shots and I liked it I didn't love it love it but you know it's a seven out of 10 for me I think it's a solid film I think it's a good slasher

I think it is a good entry to the masked spectacle right because that's our third film you and I have discussed from that this year that have a masked killer I think it works really well so it just didn't it just didn't wow me the way some of these other films did well you know what I appreciate

most about it is that it gives me something else other than thanks killing to watch on Thanksgiving I mean I know blood range is the one but I do have a sick fascination and love for thanks killing with the the in for anybody wait wait what is thanks killing yeah that's the the one where the killer

is a it's a killer turkey puppet and yeah I know what it is that's that's where I step into the doctor schlock Gilman Joel territory of of of loving these things that maybe deserve the island of misfit toys treatment but hey I love you and some reason yeah my son and I we love schlock in this house

and thanks killing I didn't want that to be the Thanksgiving movie and so just for that reason I'm just like Eli Roth thank you for doing this so it doesn't have to be the only one so absolutely my friends we are here we have arrived doctor bishop through the fire and the flames

through the trials and tribulations mr. Watts and doctor bishop presenting to you fine folks our number one picks of 2023 doctor walking dead I am stoked is all get out to hear what your favorite horror movie of the year is my friend well I'd like to thank everyone who is made it to

the 10th hour of this podcast I'm sure that we have analyzed you I'm also interested to listen to this podcast because I want to know what kind of overlap there is and and who else has has liked what we've liked you're done what we've done but yeah it seems like a long journey here

to our number one of 2023 and I got to say a lot of reflection a lot of soul searching but when it comes to 2023 I mean what film says it all if not Kyle Edward Bell's Skinner Marine stop it no sorry Jay not Skinner Marine Skinner Marine is one of the only films I gave a one out of 10 to

that was my score that was my friend instead of Skinner Marine I would like to propose kwondo a chit-chah la maldad I was trying to be tricky earlier it is when evil lurks which Watson already mentioned I believe that was your seven I four oh your four I did the math backwards

yeah so this was your four it's my number one this was another one of those films where I'd heard some buzz I didn't know a lot about it and I went in really really blind I hadn't seen a trailer or anything and it's like okay wow demon infected guy we have this team of brothers who are like

kind of professional exercises maybe and then like you said it when you talked about it this thing goes for broke it is so shocking and granted there's horrible movies out there I have refused to watch so I know that there's probably something worse but after this after I saw it people talk

about the dog the dog scene is just brutal and it's so unexpected the other one is this just really calm quiet moment with you know a mom eating her child's brains like you know just very casually and it's like wait is am I seeing what I think I'm seeing on this screen it also continues a great

tradition of super demonic goats I love the goat scene I kind of like goats anyway but this goat and you know a dude from the witch we got some good goat action going on but it's cool because it is kind of a demonic possession exorcism film but it's also got this like entity jumping nature that

you get kind of you know almost with it follows but very differently here and it's it just doesn't hold back I know that that are very good friends over at the nobody's podcast absolutely hated this movie oh did they and I've I've listened to their review and I've kind of entertained you know they

have their reasons this is still my number one of the year if people haven't checked out when evil lurks it's on MC plus it's on Hulu highly highly recommend it's written and directed by Demian Rogna and I mean this is the guy who did terrified so what what more do you need yes indeed this is

I haven't shown my son this movie yet but this is I'm excited to give this another watch to show him because he was a big fan of terrified and I'm sure he will place it right up there with that there are things that baffle me about this movie but it keeps me wanting to come back to it and that is

exciting when a movie can have that effect where you're just like you can visit the world that the movie is presenting to you and get a little more from it each time and just get to live there you know whether you would actually want to live there or not is you know not necessarily the the point

because I good lord dr bishop this would not be you can place me in any movie on our list it would not be this one I don't want to contend with what they have to contend with that's just not to know what I need yeah he's indeed so yes and as for goats yes I I was honing in on that goat

and in fact I do have a black fillup coffee cup oh great yeah it's got black Philip and Thomas and someone did some art and she's hugging him and it says the black fillup black fillup song that the little mercy things and yeah so but and so I'm big into the goats and yes this goat here is awesome

and wonderful choice for a number one I had from the get go if we had done predictions for what each other's number one would be this I would have had this for you because of a few texts we had said our high scores and I think you were even like not high enough

I was like oh okay yes but you are right what a wonderful film I loved it yes absolutely all right number one so here's the big moment I've been waiting impatiently well yes my favorite horror movie of the year here in number one you even if you didn't hear the exploding heads episode I

feel like a lot of people will have got me figured out because I am ever the evil dead guy so I had to do it evil dead rise did you not so yeah okay yep yep I'm an open book and when evil dead is concerned and yeah like like you said moving the action out of the woods into the city

you know evil dead rise premise wise we is a twisted tale of two estranged sisters who's reunion is cut short by the rise of flesh possessing demons thrusting them into a primal battle for survival as they face the most nightmarish version of family imaginable and how and how yes

a dead-eye mommy wowie wowie so it's funny that you know my one and my two kind of I love them for sort of the same reasons just I don't ask much from anything evil dead only that whatever it is a film a series a game a comic just do the things that make evil dead work just do the thing

yeah not a complex formula it's not particularly intellectual in nature and high lofty artists just gotta be primal bloody gory disturbing unrelenting and transgressive and evil dead rise is like yeah okay I got you you know it does precisely what an evil dead movie in the 2020s I think is

supposed to do I'm satisfied with what the cronin put together here and I say this with some trepidation but I am excited to see what new evil dead adventures are on the horizon so long as they don't forget the goal of let's keep trying to make a video nasty at least to some degree and so

I if as long as they keep that in the back of their minds I will be ever the happy camper just don't lose sight of what makes this franchise as special it is as it is ash Williams aside I admit to feeling cautious going into this movie the change from a cabin in the woods to a high rise building

that could work might not but the family centric cast of characters had me believing this would be the first of the franchise to go soft on us and you know we talked about this movie earlier and I do agree and I think I even said it in my review that yeah I think it it does pull a couple

punches but then while it pulls maybe a haymaker you're expecting it and okay shoot I didn't get the haymaker there but also you got two jabs to the nose you're like oh god drop balance so we'll throw that out there as what I whereas I think 2013 and like the original two or just like

nah it's haymaker city we're just throwing punches and so you know in that way this isn't up to I I would say the the levels of violence that 2013 is I would say close I've long been happy to report that listen when this family is besieged by the deadites these things thrive on chaos and misery

they enjoy the act of destroying this family and I am not sorry to say that I enjoyed watching them do exactly that so that's evil dead rises my number one horror movie of 2023 yeah you're right on there and what I love about it is it wasn't trying to do the remake thing

because I don't really like the other one but that's just me but this one I liked because it was uncharted territory and it it was claustrophobic in the same way the cabin was but in a way that's more relatable so great film yes well oh man wonderful wonderful so yeah a lot of overlap

you know but I think a respectable list all around I wonder what that will look like in the whole scheme of the episode as you know in its entirety I don't know where we're situated will Jay have us immediately after some crazy gym Gilman Joel antics or there will be some calm affair we're

going to be the crazy ones who knows how it will play out it you never know what the horror we were pretty crazy man we were look at us out of control and I'm sure the Greg's going to sing and Jay's going to say something snarky and then go just messing oh he's absolutely going to say

just mess you know that excellent prediction and yeah so I am really looking forward to this this episode I hope everybody is stuck with it and enjoyed what we had to share by all means we welcome additional insights compliments rebuttals arguments whatever we loved interact with our

with our listeners and hopefully this will give you a chance to revisit 2023 amen to that bye everyone all right that just about wraps up but not quite yet this episode of Jay of the Dead's new horror movies this has been episode 119 and that was the top 10 horror movies

of 2023 as described by mr Watson and dr walking dead and um Mac even though you didn't technically hear this yet there are picks for okay right yeah I was gonna make some joke about how I loved or hated their number one but I personally actually haven't listened to it yet but here's what I will

say in all seriousness my lesson Watson and dr walking dead are some of the smartest people I know so they've got to have something if you don't agree with their top 10 at the very least I guarantee you've got some brilliant insight to what they've got going on over there but he has Mac only knows

like four people just messing just messing anyways okay so before we wrap up thanks for sticking around I know at least at the very least horror movie fanboy Brian Scott is still listening and uh Gilman Joel not listening at all he doesn't listen to these shows are you serious see that

breaks my heart I know Florida man I'm just kidding actually I think he may listen to the top 10 episodes or he might cheat and just look in the show notes and just see what we picked I don't know I bet okay okay okay but anyways we'll get Joel later but what in the meantime we are here to talk

about maculas horror short so which just been a few minutes because at some point mac what I would actually like to do is get some of the horror Avengers rounded up and have a little discussion about your approach to horror cinema with this particular film inside note one last thing in

an all shut up so you can go but I also there's gonna be on our other show our the show that you and I host together which is called considering the cinema we do the weekly watch list doc shock and I are actually gonna be discussing it together as well on an upcoming episode just putting that

out there but where would you like start mac I think I'll just tell people as we teased at the beginning I was able to direct and produce a short film recently which I'm super excited about I do want to promote it I think this is I'm realizing at first I was kind of bashful about like

I'm gonna send it to people in my phone you know people I know and love and and have them watch it but then I got really excited and I was like you know for me as a filmmaker the reason why we do this is for the audience you know is we make movies so people can see them and so I'm gonna go

ahead and promote it and this is something that I actually had an idea for for several years or at least a couple of years where I had this idea for a short film and it is a little unconventional it's not your typical narrative but then I was talking to a buddy of mine at work and he was like hey

there's this horror film contest coming up it's something of a festival you know actually didn't even encourage me to enter he was just sit telling me because he was gonna enter but then I was like you know what I really think I could take my idea and it was already a pretty horrifying concept

but I just went full horror with it and what's kind of cool about this contest though is they were like they have certain rules you know and so like one of the rules was something around it has to be centered around water which luckily that's what actually when he was telling me that I was like

oh I'm in good shape because my concept already the main inciting incident if you will the main thing that happens in mine deals with water and so that's neat I didn't realize that makeup for whatever reason I didn't know that but that's such a cool coincidence yeah so that was

lucky but then the rules that came up that I wasn't planning on but was able to kind of fit into my short was like they wanted a mythical creature but they did explain that it didn't necessarily have to be like a full blown unicorn comes trampling through the hall it could be something along the

lines of some an ox at the door it's a trick-or-trigger he's dressed up as a sass squash or something like that so it's like yes that those aren't mythical but that's right they're full blown really because because bigfoot doesn't believe in you either macula anyways good well that's

the example that he used but yes I mean if we're talking like you know a phoenix or I don't know well phoenix is a city in Arizona right right right right right right right that jokes sorry oh my gosh okay with a half human to half horse what are those things sin tar yes okay let's see you just

kidding you know so that was another one and luckily so I was able to kind of like put that into my narrative in a good way that I think is still the focus of what is happening in my story yes I will say the hardest rule was they have a very specific line of dialogue that they wanted word

for word and I originally imagined this short as a completely visual experience and not having any dialogue I mean there's still sound effects and music and that sort of thing but I was able to sneak that in as well so I've officially entered it's in the contest and because it's a contest for

this particular one a lot of festivals they want to feature your film they want to be the first to show it off and so you really have to wait until the festival is over before people can go out and see it but what's awesome about this contest in order to enter he's like put your short film on

YouTube make sure it's public and if we win great or if we if we're showcased in the horror contest which is happening in one week from now on October 26th then great but in the meantime people can actually go and experiences and watch and to be honest I have a feeling that I'm not even going to

get you know in the because they only showcase the top 10 and then they'll pick actual prizes for the first second and third but I have a feeling I'm not going to even get into the viewings but I I wouldn't say that I know you're be it you're humble and you're very modest but well but Mac I'm

sincerely listeners and we're gonna talk about this more in the future I'm gonna save it but I'm just gonna say I was genuinely impressed this is I think the best work I've seen Mac do and he did a rap video that stars me so it's even better than that oh my gosh well that's so kind of you

I will say I've been getting so much positive feedback from my friends and family that have been sent to I did have a couple people one person particular who was like I didn't like it at all yeah but some people were no I'm just kidding I'm just kidding I'm just kidding well it is your mom

shouldn't have said that though yeah no I'm just kidding that's not funny no wasn't my mom but I'm so excited for people to see it and oh that's what I was saying I don't know if all place and I'm sort of okay with that because I didn't make it to win this contest I made it so that people could

see it you know and that's what's so great now is right now you can go see it you just go on to YouTube it's five minutes it is a short film it is a little unconventional it's not your typical narrative I think a lot of shorts that will probably win this contest are what you kind of imagine

where it's like you know if you could take a horror movie and shrink it down to the scariest part or something like that right then it's like you know the person walks into this room this person says that this thing happens but I will say I was kind of how much do you want me to kind of talk about

this because I almost want people to just see it and experience it and well I agree and let me just jump in here and I'll just say I'm not gonna go you know give any sort of spoilers or anything I just got the show spawn of the dead and gizmo they're here with me this weekend I got to show them

your short film just earlier this evening and one thing that was really cool about it is in my estimation because as you said it's not the traditional narrative and yeah I would define it as an art film to some extent Mac I don't know if you'd push back on that but I for me I consider it

an art film so just give the listers you know that sort of expectation but it was cool because I told my kids I gave them a little definition about an art film and then I had them watch it and I didn't do any other sort of prep or anything and Mac I just want you know two things number one

they were both quiet and spellbound and then when it was over spawns like that was really creepy and then gizmo gizmo who's only 13 years old she completely explained what it was about she knew exactly what it was about so I just I'll just tell you that because of our earlier conversations but

I hope the listeners will watch it and I'll tell you what I'd like to do Mac maybe you're not okay with this so if you you're not okay with this you can say now we're not gonna do that but what I'd like to do is if the listeners will go and watch Max short film can we give the name of it

yes yeah go ahead oh I get the honors well you say the name of it I called a theedral yeah it's called a theedral and by the way if you go to the show notes at new horror movies dot com episode 119 scroll down past Watson and Kyle's picks no I'm just kidding that was a joke that was a joke

that was a obvious kin no check those out first yes and then continue to scroll in it meant to say that is what I meant to say um mister what no anyway so you scroll down to the bottom we actually have max poster art for this film there yeah so it is poster arts are you can see it and then

you can click the link and go watch it and Mac do you have comments open on this or anything it is someone's commented already okay I kind of wish people have been texting me a lot of feedback and I almost wish they would type that into YouTube because it'd be so cool because some people

have some had some really great insight and in fact to just a comment what you said about it being an art film I would say it's the art film and even a little abstract but yeah you know that really is intentional and yes if I were to make a feature I wouldn't torture you Jason with two and a half

hours of this you know yeah it wasn't mac a meringue or anything yeah it wasn't like that but with this sort of short it was sort of intentional to like I will say one person yeah I don't want it like I don't spoil too much but I just say like it wasn't yeah some of it is left up to

interpretation but out there is a story of course well and it's art so of course we're going to have that but let me just if I may I forgive me it be so I just got to get this out there and see if you're okay with this if people watch this film and they leave a comment there on YouTube

then you will be entered into a contest to win a free blu-ray of long legs is that okay to say that Mac is that okay yes that'd be awesome and then do you want to like just randomly pick from those who have left a comment you want to like do a random drawing how do you want to decide who gets the free blu-ray of long legs I'm almost like hey I'll go to the store now by 10 blu-rays right now and we'll give them to the top 10 people all you want to do well I mean that's up to you brother

but yeah I mean the the long legs blu-rays out and I actually just bought mine today so just saying we could at least do this Jason because I'd be willing to invest a little bit to motivate some people but since my film is going into a contest let's have a first second and third place winners

you know okay I think so we'll have well this will be a three blu-ray giveaway oh yes can the third place be um doc shocks porn film oh I don't know what that is oh I I have copies I'll send you one oh my okay so you get doc shocks porno it's it's called no no it's called Pennsylvania Peggy from

Perky Omenville well it is that's what it's called but he is amazing as Peggy I just got to say that anyways but that'll be third place film no no we'll get legit ones like we could do like should we decide now yeah like I long legs what about Godzilla minus one minus one and then what if we did

well actually I don't know if they're ever gonna come out with that are they ever gonna come out with a blu-ray of known will save you that's doubtful um I just do this out there people who like Etsy shops can I mean people can find that out there but it's not there first

when I was thinking as well just what if we do this because it is a little bit older but I think it's still special we could do a cop like a 4k of pray all the that because I will say some of the imagery yes some of the imagery of my athedral short I did take some of my favorite horror movies

of all time and try to incorporate some imagery from that and so there's imagery of pray in this actually all that's called inspired imagery needs to say okay so you're gonna do um Godzilla minus one and pray and I'll do long legs blu-ray yeah what we'll do is we'll just I think how else would

we do it aside from random we'd have to do random well I mean or you could pick your three favorite ones that's up to you you're the you're the guy I mean you're the main man right here so you decide however you want to work winners to make it fair is that we'll just do three random people but

will it'll be cute and we'll do like a first place second place third place that's right and if there's an honorable mention Pennsylvania Peggy starring doctor shock just saying it's you know it's better than you think and I didn't know he was that flexible but he is so anyways I'm just this

is so fun Mac I'm really proud of you and I'm being 100% serious I actually have a ton to say about Mac's film and it's not even because we're best friends because everybody knows in fact let me just say one thing and I hope the listeners will take me seriously on this at work Mac produces

corporate films right and he often well sometimes he'll send them to me and he doesn't always tell me that he's the one that produced or made him and stuff and he'll like ask me for my own opinion and I don't know why he does this because I'm pretty I'm not everybody knows that I'm very

obnoxious about movies and I have all sorts of things to say so I'm sort of the the Ron Martin of our of our workplace because I at least have the other feedback so Mac when he sends me this short to check out a theadroll he wanted my honest feedback which I thought was really cool and really brave

of him and I knew that he knows that I'm a straight shooter on this stuff and even over friends but I got to say I've got a lot of complimentary things to talk about but I'm gonna save it for when we discuss it with the horror vingers and when I'm talking with Doc Shock over on considering the

cinema so anyway I just want to put that out there and so Mac with that recommendation there with that glowing recommend and sponsoring it was creepy and gizmo saying it was creepy and we got three films potentially prize giveaways then I think the listeners will go go give it a watch

in it's only five minutes the last thing I'll say too is like so I've worked with this actress before her name is Laura Kapo Bianchi and she's so good like I discovered her because I actually had to make a commercial for work and I found her and then later I used her in my short film and then

and then again in this one and man it was cool because the way in which we filmed this it was really small crew sort of thing and so we were able to really allow her to tap into some powerful emotions because there's some powerful acting on her part in this in this short so I will just say that

is like the other thing that makes this great if not the best part of this really is her acting really so yeah people check it out absolutely so that's called a Theodrol and the easiest way I mean you could find it on YouTube but I'm just saying if you go to newhorrormovies.com episode 119 we got

it linked there in the show notes and you know if you leave a comment remember you can be eligible to win the one of these free prize horror giveaway so that's really cool Max so this is fun Max so from your memory then to entertain the listeners and to entertain me I want you to take home

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