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Pre-Draft Questions and OL Prospects | Jaguars Happy Hour

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One week out from the 2024 NFL Draft, Jeff Lageman and J.P. Shadrick are in the studio to discuss hype around the Draft and highlight potential Offensive Line prospects. The duo recaps HC Doug Pederson and GM Trent Baalke's pre-draft media availability on a Thursday afternoon Jaguars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1

It is Thursday, April eighteenth. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by the Saint John's River Water Management District.

Speaker 2

And now a guy still.

Speaker 1

Standing after avoiding a play in Jay.

Speaker 2

P Checker and welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour.

Speaker 3

It is April eighteenth, one week to the NFL Draft.

Speaker 2

A busy hour ahead. Well, because it's a week ahead of the draft.

Speaker 3

The pre draft media luncheon today featuring Tug Peterson and Trent Balkey. We'll hear from both the head coach and general manager. Some comments from them coming.

Speaker 2

Up shortly earlier in the week.

Speaker 3

The players back in the building for the offseason program Phase one, Trevor Lawrence and Foyer Lucan. We'll hear from both of those guys. We'll keep it real as we always do. Microsoft questions coming up in just a little bit as well. Happy Hours brought to you by the Saint John's River Water Management District. Florida's water It's worth saving. We're on Tintin Xcel, Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube JP Shadrick with Jeff Logoman, who is finally making his way

into the studio. Welcome welcome a thousand welcomes. Glad you could make it with your fresh hot coffee with creamer in it and good afterdoate.

Speaker 2

Thank you. JP was just conversing with a few of the leftover media members in the media room. Those aren't leftovers, those are those are fresh starters. Those guys yah, yeah, yeah, But I mean the other leftover guys, the guys that are still kind of hanging out for a little bit. I was looking at my watch, going, uh, guys, I gotta go. You don't have to go far, which is a good night. I didn't have to go far about this building. And so yeah, busy week. Players are back.

There is today Balky and Peterson speaking today, and we're a week to the draft, and there's a lot to discuss today. It's a it's a it's a cool time year for the NFL because you know, this is the Hope Springs Eternal. I guess he's saying that you could kind of use for this time of year because every team is kind of getting started with the off season stuff, and so there's a little bit of excitement that builds in every community that these NFL teams are at. And

then also with the draft, right around the corner. That provides hope for a lot of teams that haven't been that good that hey, look, maybe this year we can really get some good players to where we can we can compete, We can compete for a title, including this team. So it's a fun time of year to be an NFL fan because you're not losing. Everybody's good. Everybody's got a hope. Yeah, most everybody who doesn't namely one team that doesn't have hope Cardinals. Yeah, that's true, there's one. Gosh,

what's going on? I mean, are you following what's going on with uh with Terry McDonough Bill, Well, No, he's not soon everybody. He's just he's going to go after the Cardinals. Bidwell, I mean some of the things that are coming out, all that kind of stuff. If people haven't read it, I mean, go read about the Cardinals

and Terry McDonough who I know Terry. He was here for a period of time with the Jaguars, and he filed a grievance against against the Cardinals, which it's his right to do that, that's how the system is set up. And then the Cardinals came at him with almost a personal attack and which found was found by an in house person that looks at those things for the NFL founds to be true and they were bad mouthed and Terry as his family. I mean, it's just a bad thing. Yeah.

So that was the first team that popped in my head that might not have a we'll see, well, if you got bidwell running the show, Yeah you've got you don't have a whole lot of chance of winning football games in Arizona.

Speaker 3

Let's get to a team that does have a chance, and this is Jacksonville Jaguars, of course, and the GM Trent balk and head coach Dog Peterson speaking earlier today at a press conference at two o'clock here at the Miller of Electric Center, the pre draft media lunch and Trent Bulkey discussing trade possibilities from number seventeen.

Speaker 2

There's a lot, as.

Speaker 4

You know, that goes into it. You know, we feel good about the group that's there, you know, at different positions.

You know that we're focused in on a little bit, but you don't know what's going to happen, you know, you don't You really aren't going to know what we're going to do until maybe the twelfth or thirteenth pick, you know, and then we'll we'll look at the opportunity to potentially move up, you know, and if we get to sixteen, like we did last year, and somebody calls and there's a chance to move back one or two, you know, you just don't know's you're playing it on game day.

Speaker 2

So he mentioned last year. It actually last year logs, the Jags moved back twice in the first round before picking Anton Harrison in the first round the right tackle, and it is. It happened a number of times, in fact, eight different times, eight different drafts. The Jaguars have first round.

Speaker 3

Trade history, either up or down or trading back into the first round, starting way back in ninety five, they started thirty first overall with a supplemental pick. They obviously had the number two pick that year with Bisselli, but they had a later pick and moved up to nineteenth overall in that draft to get James Stewart. Rob Johnson

traded a Buffalo to get the ninth overall pick. Of course, in ninety eight Fred Taylor two thousand and seven, Reggie Nelson was the pick when the Jags moved down to twenty one two thousand and eight. Derek Harvey was the pick. They moved up to eighth to get him. Twenty eleven, Blaine Gabbert moved up to tenth to get him. From sixteen twenty twelve, moved up from seven to five to get Justin Blackman, and then a trade up back into the first round in twenty two to get Devin Lloyd

and as we mentioned Anton Harris from last year. Leave that graphic up for a minute Jaguars dot Com free video.

Speaker 2

If you look at that graphic and you say, okay, what can be learned from this? What do you take away from that graphic? Because you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty, but you know, look, you sometimes have to use hindsight to be able to learn about what not to do or what to do in the future.

Speaker 3

I see James Stewart had some big moments here. Fred Taylor certainly did.

Speaker 2

Well. That's not really I mean, that wasn't a trade active trade during the draft process. That was okay, So I don't consider that. I'm talking about trading up or down in the first round. It costs you a lot to move up, I know, well, and also look, you trade it up to get James Stewart, Okay, good football player, solid guy, I mean, great guy. Was it ultra productive? No? Reggie Nelson seventeenth and you moved to twenty first offs trade back, but then you moved up to the eighth

spot overall for Derek Harvey. That did not work out. It did not work out for Blain Gabbert. But I get it. You're taking a shot at a quarterback. Sometimes you have to do that. You traded up to get Justin Blackman. It didn't pay any dividends, okay, and then you also, uh with Devin Lloyd. You traded up to get Devon And right now, if you if you're making an opinion on that, is was that a success or was that just kind of Eh? I think we're still

the jury is still still being determined. But right now, if you had to make a decision on it, you would say, eh, it's not wasn't a great It wasn't a great trade, but it's not done yet. And then you know, to trade back and to get Anton Harrison, you acquired so many extra pixel The lesson is to me is that trading up is not necessarily a positive thing.

And Trent Balkey alluded to that. In this press conference today, he said, Look, the analytics guys will tell you that trading up is never a good thing, and he's right. I just unless you're going up to get a quarterback. In my opinion, for every other position, you just stay put where you are, or you try to move back and then take the best available player, not a guy that well he might be the best player, but we got a need there. No take the best available player always, in my.

Speaker 3

Opinion, unless you know for a fact, in your heart of hearts, that the guy you're moving up for another position is a Hall of Fame talent, right.

Speaker 2

And how do you really know? You don't know that. You don't know that. But if you haven't know that, if you as a percentage of game, it's a percentage of game, you know. So you've got Aaron Donald sitting there waiting on you. But that is coming out from Pittsburgh, JP. I watched the film on him, and I'm sitting there watching the film and I'm going and he's really good. He's got quickness, he's got sudden this. But man, he's kind of small. I mean, like I said, I watched

the film on him. I didn't see Hall of Fame guy. I watched the film on t J. Watt and I was like, and I don't think he's the first rounder. He's probably a second rounder. He's one of the best players in the league right now. You know, So again, it's a percentage of game. But you know, when I watched the defensive end in Cleveland, hands down, this guy is a super freak. No doubt, this guy is a Hall of Fame type of talent. I mean, but I mean, so that's one of the guys that I probably watched.

When I watched Clowney coming out, I was like, Clowney, this guy can do everything. He's sudden, he's violent, he can play anywhere, he can be moved around. I don't know if he's a great pass rusher saw me. My evaluation on him was pretty fairly accurate. It wasn't perfect because I thought that he would be more of an impact throughout his career. But one of those guys it's

just you know, freakish. And so again, because it's a percentage of game, I don't ever think that you go into any pick saying this guy's a Hall of Famer. It just doesn't work that way. The other part a lot of conversations they have about a thirty minute at plus press conference today for Trim Balke and Doug Peterson.

Speaker 3

But he talked about the different variables that you look at when scouting in prospect. One of those is football IQ and how do you scout that as a GM and a scouting staff.

Speaker 4

You know, we zoom call these guys. We send coaches to workouts, we send coaches to meet with them, We bring them in on the thirty visit. We get in front of them as much as we can every opportunity we get a chance to talk to a guy that we have concerns about, we do. We interview them at the Combine, We interview them at the All Star Games, we interview them at their pro days. We get as much time in front of them as we can. The coaches make calls to the to the coaches that work

with these players. You know, you gather as much as you can, you know, and so and usually by the time you get to the draft, you got them pretty well figured out from that perspective. And sometimes guys come in and they fool you, you know, and you can't just use test scores to say a guy can learn or can't learn that doesn't work. There's guys that have had low test scores that learn extremely well. There's guys that have had high test scores that don't learn very

well when it comes to football. So you just got you just got to do your homework.

Speaker 3

And we know from the past around here, at least the recent past, that Doug Peterson from a coaching perspective, needs that high football IQ type of player, and certainly in those skill positions at wide receiver when guys are moving and routes can change mid play and you've got to be on and know everything going on.

Speaker 2

And I think it's pretty unique. My experiences in the league for being around it for a long time as a player and then as an analyst, is that there are different kinds of smarts. I mean, you don't necessarily have to have a player who is book smart to

be smart in football or to have football IQ. I mean, some of the smartest guys I was ever around, some of them weren't book smart, but man a new football and they had that instinct, that anticipation when they played the game that other guys that were smart and could test okay on paper outstanding, but you put them in that moment, and they just it didn't. It didn't function,

It didn't it didn't compute for them. So I think Trent is spot on when he talks about how there's different kinds of football smarts and you know, and and the one thing that I would do if if I was a gym, and I'm sure that this football team probably does it, I would think that they would, is that you're getting ready to invest in the in the draft. Okay, JP, this year's draft class. What's the total amount that this team has to spend for this draft class? Ballpark? Do

you know? Ten or something? Ten to ten? But it's ten million? But I mean contracts overall. If you added up the total value of the contract, it's what is it, one hundred million? I mean it's expensive. There's a lot of money cheap. So if you're getting ready to invest millions of dollars, would you hire a quote person to vet, to do background research, to investigate everything that you could find about the prospects that you say, Hey, look we like these guys. Let's know, let's get to know more

about them. I'm private eye, I mean whatever you want to call. I would want to know everything about these guys. If I'm getting ready to drop millions of dollars down in an investment and to bring in to my locker room guys that I know could have a big impact, and then they also could have a bad impact. I want to know as much as I can. And I'm not saying that you need to have sherlock homes guys in there like doing this wire tapping and things all that. No,

and no I'm not talking that smart. I know that was awesome the shoe phone, the shoe phone, pull that out. But to the point of that, you you try to pursue every relationship, every avenue that you possibly can to investigate somebody's background that you're going to be investing millions in, And not so much because of the dollar amount, but because if you if you mess up and somebody's a bad person, you've lost an opportunity to improve your team.

So I would think when Trent talks about you know, you're talking to all these people and that's all part of that vetting process and doing the background work to find out who that person is at its core.

Speaker 3

Plitting ahead, we'll hear from the head coach, Doug Peterson. We'll hear from Trevor Lawrence on the contract discussions.

Speaker 2

That's all ahead.

Speaker 3

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Speaker 5

There's definitely been some conversations, you know, as far as where that's at now, it's not really my focus. You know. I'd love to love to obviously be a jag so for as long as possible. We love it here and I love where we're headed as an organization and feel like I'm just getting better every year and my best ball is definitely ahead of me. So from that standpoint, obviously, yeah, that that would be great. But like I said, it's going into my fourth year. It's not like this is

necessarily gonna be my my last season. You know, There's a lot that could happen, So not really my focus right now. At the end of the day, my job isn't gonna change whether I get extended or not before this season. My job is to go win games and to be the best I can be for this team so we can have a chance to win a Super Bowl. So even if I get the contract extension, that's still my job even more so, you know, he's even more

expectation and pressure on that. So for me, I have the same focus, in the same mindset.

Speaker 2

I can't lie.

Speaker 5

Obviously, it would be nice to have to have that done and you know, feel good about it, but no, it's not.

Speaker 2

Really the focus right now.

Speaker 5

I know where we're at, I know where we're heading, and I know what I have to do, and you know, there's some improvements that I have to make going forward.

Speaker 3

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Well. Trent Balkey today discussed the other side of those conversations real quick though, let me just throw out there, because you know Trevor's conversation about his contract and me and you were having a conversation during a break and that they have the opportunity to pick up the fifth year option in May, and May second is the deadline for both of the first round draft picks that year.

It'd be him and Travis etn And because Trevor is in and his party and Trent talked about how they're having conversations with Trevor's people as we talked about that this recently is last night, yep. And so I was going to make the suggestion to Trevor because you see a lot of these NFL players that are doing that now that they stopped following the team on social media.

And so Triv's going to say to Trevor, you know, he needs to stop following the Jaguars, you know, remove any kind of Jaguars logos from the social media accounts until he gets a new contract. Is that the not the dumbest thing you've ever heard? How people do that? It was just stupid. It's childish. Who was the latest guy that just did that? I can't remember who it was. I was reading somewhere. Didn't Jalen do that too? And

such a childish clown act? I mean, come, on. Are you serious, boy, that's really gonna change this posture of the negotiations if you remove your team from your social media account. Come on. By the way, the Jaguar has been nominated Pro Web Award and the Sports Video category for the twenty twenty three schedule e Least Video.

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Speaker 3

Let's continue with the Jaguars head coach, who was also at the podium today alongside Trent Balkey. And you know, I was asked a lot about the working together, the cooperation between scouting and coaching, and it continues here in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 6

It as far as you know, our involvement is a staff myself, it's it's the best.

Speaker 2

I've been around.

Speaker 6

It's one of the things that Trent really has been open to to, you know, the evaluation process from the coaches right, and he understands the coaching side of it as well as the scouting.

Speaker 2

Side of it.

Speaker 6

And in the involved has been you know, it's the same every year. It's probably even gotten a little bit more, you know, just the more comfortable that we are working together. And and you know, it's it takes everybody, you know, to put a roster together, and it's not about one guy making all the decisions right and and so there's

a lot of input. He values what the coaches say and how the coaches ranked and stack players just like you know, you know, we appreciate what the scouts do because they're the ones that are out there, you know, every single day scouting these players. So it's been a really good process and one that one that uh, as a coach, you know, you can really appreciate.

Speaker 2

All right.

Speaker 3

So that's Doug Peterson's perspective and response about that today at the press conference. Full press conference available at Jaguars dot com.

Speaker 2

And this is an interesting time of year because.

Speaker 3

Players are back in off season program, so you've got to balance what you're doing with them for at least a few hours a day and getting the you know, everything the new defense going and all this go on strength and conditioning right now, and then you're getting ready for the draft as well. And you're contributing to that process. So for a head coach, there's a lot of this play well.

Speaker 2

And they also talked a little bit during the press conference because now that you have a new defense and a new defensive coordinator, for example, pass coaches here in the past, Mike Smith wanted a certain type of corner, wanted a certain type of defensive linemen. Hey, Gus Bradley wanted the length corners, you know, the tall, long kind of guys, kind of like what they had in Seattle back in the day. Mike Caldwell wanted corners that could place a man. Okay, what does Ryan want? You know?

You know then, so there's been these conversations. According today Tent Trent said that they had a conversation. Last name Ryan Nielsen, right, the new defensive coordinator, and him and Trent had a conversation about the type of players that he wants to have for his defense. And then also Trent alluded to the fact that it's kind of comes a little bit from that mindset of the parcels camps of trends that he has experienced kind of looking for

those types that Nielsen is looking for. But that's important because coaches always want to have a certain skill set at every position group in their mind that's going to be able to function to make it all work together. So it'll be interesting to see a lot of things on the defensive side of the ball this year. Number one is the draft and how they draft and what type of players are they going to be targeting. But then also what's that the targeted players, how are they

going to fit into this new scheme? Because you know, we we think we know what the scheme is going to be, we don't know for sure because every time, even though a defensive coordinator may move from Team A to Team B, a lot of times the staff that he has from Team A to Team B will change and sometimes a little bit of that scheme will change along with it because of input from others. So it'll be fun to watch to see all of that come together again.

Speaker 3

The full press conference from today available at Jaguars dot com. Let's rewind a little bit back to Tuesday. It was Tuesday, right, Today's Thursday.

Speaker 2

Today is Thursday, all day? Right, Every Thursday, we do this show all day. It's Thursday, not all day just well, no, the show's an hour four to five this time, but twenty four hours. It's Thursday, but two days ago was Tuesday, and that's when Trevor Lawrence we just heard from a moment ago and Fourier lu Khan, the Jaguars linebackers spoken as you said, logs a little different on defense, new coordinator, some new faces there. But for Fourier Lukhn he's been

around here for a couple of years now. He's trying to make that transition as well. There's a lot of new However, he's.

Speaker 3

Not putting away the disappointment of the disappointment of last season so easily.

Speaker 7

That would be in a rearview maybe next year after this season. I mean, I got a lot of questions on it throughout the offseason, and it's hard to think about.

Speaker 2

This win.

Speaker 7

It even started. We started off winning, but we weren't winning convincingly. How maybe the score mightish, but we knew that we weren't playing our best football, and I think a lot of those things caught up to us. And then trying to right our wrongs a little too late in the season. Then it's a little bit more stressful when teams are hitting their stride and we're trying to find out how to do things right. Yeah, that hurt for sure, and I think it will fewel us. Everybody's

committed to doing things right this time around. You know, you don't want to say we don't want to get in that position again. And it starts from the first game all the way to the last, you know, but just keep it improving every week, no matter who this scoreboard is, you know, keeping our standard every week, because sometimes you win games that you didn't play your best. Now you don't learn from them if you're not trying

to get better. I think that kind of happened to us, and we're not going to do that this year.

Speaker 2

Foyer, look can pretty telling answer about how things were last year. That might be the most relaxed I've ever seen him in front of the camera. Usually he's so intense. Yeah, he's kind of relaxed. It's that time of year though. I get I got this part of it.

Speaker 3

But maybe the environment's a little different too, right, maybe not going on the last couple of years.

Speaker 2

Maybe as he alluded to there it Uh, you know, Foy is a super smart guy. You know we were talking earlier about football, like Q you want to talk about football like you? That guy right there if there was a way to mine or to withdraw some of that football IQ and share it with the rest of the team, or yeah, like you'd like take blood out of him, you know, because it's got all that football

IQ transfusion. I mean, he's just he's incredible. I mean literally, when you watch the film on him, he is always stepping in the direction that the play is going before the play is actually going in that direction. It's amazing to watch he he is Darryl Smith in Jaguars history. I'm talking about special inside linebackers that I really enjoyed watching. First of all, I love the motor of Mike Peterson, Okay, and the guy was just, you know, one hundred miles an

hour all the time. Darryl Smith. The consistency, the strength, the the such a rounded game that he could play, the mic, the sam the will, it didn't matter whatever should have left Jacksonville. That's never it was. That was one of the dumbest decisions in Jaguars history, was letting him go anyway. But how watching Foyer on film is pure joy. You can look at his seventy fifth snap of a game and compare it to his first snap, and he's still playing at the same speed. I don't

know how anybody can do that. But watching the anticipation that he plays the game with is fun to watch and it's impressive to watch. I think that the people that know football and can really and people that have played the game that like me, that are watching a guy like that, that says something that he's fun to watch just because of that standpoint, the intelligence that he plays this game at in that realm too. Oh my god, Paul's yeah. But Paul was one of those guys that

he just never wasted a step. So he would wait and then he was just, you know, gone, But he never wasted steps. He didn't anticipate as much as Foyer does. To some extent, he was good, but not quite as fast with that first step. Now, Telvin Smith was always one step behind, but he was so dag him fast getting there, or he would run ahead of it and catch back up because he was so fast. He was amazing just the speed that he played the game at.

But I mean pause, Darryl Smith and Foyer, I mean those guys, I mean, that's that's the elite class in Jaguars history. I mean, some really really good players and the other fun part about I know Paul and because Leslie enjoyed this, was that he had eleven interceptions. Well he was there as well. Yeah, one of them. That tells you he's back in coverage and reading things right.

And maybe what's the way you remember the most Oh, Peyton Manning right, and he had the love or something on his hand, the weird was going on something, have something going on with his hand and he early in the game picks it off and takes it to the house.

Speaker 3

But that takes That tells you he's the quarterback. He's back in coverage. He's athletic enough to do all that too. And that's football. IQ pause.

Speaker 2

I used to love hearing Gus Bradley say pause. It was puzz It was never pause.

Speaker 3

Speaking of Gus Bradley. Side note here before we go to break, Yesterday was the Jags local pro day where they have local prospects from maybe schools around here or they grew up here with Carter Bradley, and Carter Bradley quarterback was here, Gus's son.

Speaker 2

Yeah he's a prospect. He's a possible draft pick, maybe late round pick, possibly undrafted guy, but yeah, he's a diehard fisherman Carter Bradley is so yeah when he was here. You know, he's a young man, so he's grown up. He's grown up, no doubt about it.

Speaker 3

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Speaker 2

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Speaker 2

It's worth saving. Welcome back.

Speaker 3

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Speaker 2

All the places that we're always on each and every week. A lot of places, yeah, everywhere, well almost everywhere, with with with these things here. You know the phone. Oh yeah, if you don't get it, can't get it, yourn fall Yeah, yeah, everything right, everything is available through the fall. Hey, the draft is almost here.

Speaker 3

We're a week away from the first round, a week from tonight, looking forward to it. We'll be in the stadium.

Speaker 2

Who do you think is gonna be the first overall pick? JP? It's kind of a big mystery, is it. That's the Southern cal quarterback we're talking about. Williams is going. Okay, Who's gonna go second? Just trivia for you? Probably another quarterback? What do you think Jayden Daniels? Probably, I would say probably who's picking second? I don't even know. In Washington, I'll probably go May I take May two, and then there'll be probably Daniels right after that. It's my guess. Yeah. Yeah.

His accuracy this past year was was pretty incredible. Touchdown interception ratio was good. He's athletic. Yeah, he's gonna be fun to watch him. But man, May he's got that those numbers, you know, I mean, sometimes in the numbers you can't let them overrule the performance. But when you watch his tape, he's got that that height that you know that you can see he can he's got a he's got a big arm, he's a big guy. I mean, he's kind of that prototypical NFL quarterback. I just I'd

be surprised if he doesn't go second. But you never know, you never know.

Speaker 3

We'll find out a week from tonight and we'll be at the official Dove All Draft Party at the Bank, presented by Donovan Air, Electric and Plumbing, and the party starts at seven o'clock. Tickets are free register today Jaguars dot Com Slash Draft Party. We'll have pre shows from the stadium. You guys will have a radio show on ten ten XL.

Speaker 2

That's right me, Frank big Beselli and I think you're gonna come on with us for a little bit. I'll hop in there when I can.

Speaker 3

And then we've got coverage leading into eight o'clock pre pregame coverage if you will, and then right after the pick, we'll have live coverage and all that on Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars Social media. All right, so it's time to keep it real, as we always do insert sponsor here. So our topic today, three positions the Jaguars should pick up this week or next week rather in the draft, there's a for whatever they will pick them up, whatever three positions they should draft this year, go top.

Speaker 2

Three and you want them ranked. I want them ranked. I mean right now, if you do it as far as needs go, corner I would put at the top, just because Darius Williams is no longer round. This is a passing league, and right now you need some help in the back end. You got a pretty good amount of depth and quality of play at safety, but corner is where you need help. And you've been trying to get some late round picks to hit over the last couple of years, but really nobody has risen to the front.

So I think that's number one. Number two I would say is offensive line, interior or out side. I think either one because and then having a guy that can have some flexibility maybe play inside and then eventually move outside or vice versa, I think is great. You've got to protect from the franchise, and the franchise is your quarterback, Trevor Lawrence. And last year you had a deficiency on how physical you were up front, and that needs to be addressed. In my opinion. I have a question side

note question. We'll get to number three in a moment.

Speaker 3

Yeah, what's wrong with having a guy that plays one position and you know that's solidified for ten years.

Speaker 2

Nothing wrong with that at all, because you can move somebody else if somebody else has some positional flexibility.

Speaker 3

I guess that guy is hard to find. Obviously, which one Which guy's hard for? The one guy who's there for ten years that you know is a rock and solid and is going to be a franchise.

Speaker 2

Well, well, I mean, Joe Alt's going to be a rock ten years on tackle. I mean what he's not swinging around? And again, nothing's set in stone because if you remember, I remember going back to my draft classed I think it was, and the front page of the Sports Illustrated was future Hall of Famer Tony Manderich and people are like, this guy's a shoeing of the Hall of Fame. He's going to be the next great offensive lineman. And it didn't happen, you know, I mean, the steroids

thing kind of came out. He was an average player at best. I mean, but he was an average player. I mean, so it's not like he was a poor player, but I mean it's one of those things it's hard to find somebody that's going to do that. But Joe Alt from Notre Dame is a guy. If he's available seventeen, JP, i'd probably take him. He's not going to be available at seventeen like.

Speaker 3

Cam Robinson, right first pick of the second round, and I mean he's been the left tackle for I would tell.

Speaker 2

It, look, the position's corner offensive line. And then the third one, I'm gonna just throw it out there because I'm not going to give it a specific position because it can be on the inside or it can be on the outside. You got to have somebody that can rush the passer, and right now, I think you don't have a lot of depth on the edge. If you can get another edge rusher by all means, if look if LA two's there at seventeen, I mean there's some you were drooling about it last guy and I told

you about it. He's just crazy good. Jared Verse Florida State would be my second best edge rusher. Love them. And then you have some some of the smaller guys that I don't put in those two categories. The kid at Alabama, Dallas Turner, I believe his name is. There's a kid at Penn State that's pretty good. A chop, no chops two. There's another one there, chopped. Well, I think where thirty three. It's number twenty at Penn State,

and I could find it in a minute. But Isaac and then, oh gosh, I'm trying to think of who else there's edge rushers. But I mean those two guys are the elite players that you're talking about is law To and Jared versus. In my opinion, it's about a disa Isaac where it's twenty Yes, thank you Penn State. So I mean those three positions, corner, offensive line and a pass rusher. The interior did the defensive tackles. You've got Zrhan Newton and Byron Murphy. I believe it is

from Texas. Newton is from Illinois. These guys are kind of interesting in that they're smaller guys. When I say smaller, shorter guys, not small, I mean they're both three hundred pound guys, but they're shorter. There's six to one, they's six two. And some people are comparing Murphy to a little bit of Aaron Donald. I don't know if I'd go so far to make that comparison, but he's a

really good football player and Newton obviously Illinois guy. So that's the alma mater of Tony Kahan and Shad Khan, and so there's a little bit of home bias there, I'm sure, just because he's a good football player from Illinois. But I don't know if I mean the guy that you just brought in, Eric Armstead, six foot six, two hundred and ninety pounds, that he's got arms that are so this long. Right here, JP, that's pretty long. Let me turn it this way so the cameras can see

that are listening on radio. Just imagine my part on radio. He's it's long, my arms are spread wide. But I mean, those top two rated guys at defensive tackle, they don't have that kind of length. And there's not really a defensive tackle that's that's rated as a first round talent that has that kind of length. So it'll be interesting to see how that that position works out for this team, because remember we went into the season, we said they've got to get better on the interior of offensive line

and the defensive line. They got to get more physical. We did say that, we'll see can they do it. I don't know.

Speaker 3

Clock's about to run out you got to do it at some point. That was keeping it real. Each week we do a draft position preview, and you touched on one of the guys in this position group we're going to talk about today offensive tackles. I ask you each week to pick your top three guys or three guys, not three guys.

Speaker 5

Three.

Speaker 2

Yeah, let's start with Joe al of Notre Dame. Who you like. He's he's just so big and he's I guess he's young, but I don't know the specifics of his birthday or anything. But he's like six foot eight, three hundred and twenty two pounds, and he's kind of so long that when you watch him get down in his three point stance, his butt is like higher than his shoulder pads a lot of times. And it's just so odd because, like when you watch Baselli get down in the stance, he'd be able to have that bend

and his shoulder pads were above his hips. But make no mistake, Joe Alt is a punishing blocker, got tremendous length. This guy is I think it's hands down, he's the best offensive lineman in the draft. And I mean again, it's a percentages game, so I'm not making any guarantees, but this is one of those guys that you feel like has a chance to be that starter at that one position JP for a decade. He's twenty one years old by just turned twenty one. Yeah, he's a young twenty one. Yeah.

Speaker 3

His dad is John Alt played for the Chiefs from eighty four to ninety six.

Speaker 2

I played against his dad. How was he Pretty good? Pretty good, big long guy, just like just like Jones and the family up here. Yeah, JC Latham Alabama tackle. Yeah, and you know, he's not rated amongst the top three or four guys on a lot of boards, but man, you watch the film on him. First of all, he's got the size. He's a six foot six, three hundred and thirty five forty pound guy. Somewhere he's big. He's big, okay, but he carries it really well. And when you watch

him on film, he moves effortlessly. I mean, he's just a very graceful, big guy that moves very well. I think the ceiling is really high for him. I think what we've seen from him at Alabama is just I think just the tip of the iceberg to use that statement there, But I mean I think He's got a lot of room for growth. He's a right tackle now, it was a right tackle at Alabama. I think he could play left, but I think he's very comfortable on

the right. Leave him at right and in today's NFL left tackle right tackle, they both need to be good pass protectors. He is a special player just because of the grace that he plays the game with, the agility that he plays the game with. And it's not very often that you have somebody that's six foot six three and thirty five forty pounds that moves gracefully. That's not easy to find.

Speaker 3

No, it's yeah, it's really tough, and it could tell you a lot about what the future could hold for Cam Robinson and Walker Little if they were to go with this position very early in this draft.

Speaker 2

You know could could And by the way, just a side note, he's not in my top three, but Mims, the guy from Georgia who has not played a lot of Marius Mims. He's a guy that I think could be a good second round pick for a team. He's he's also got some of that that gift of natural size and athleticism as well. But my third guy is Fuanga's a last Fuaga Oregon State. It's actually Fuanga. There's an n in there that's in the pronunciation, that's not in there in the spelling. And this is a big

mauling right tackle. One of these guys that if you want to have a little bit of attitude with your offensive line, which this offensive line here needs a little bit of that, he's gonna provide some of that. The one thing that I will say about him is that it's gonna be He's a little over aggressive with his past stuff. He gets caught, he gets his arms chopped, he gets caught leaning, which has me a little bit concerned.

But he's just got kind of naturally gifted feet the way he moves which is fun to watch uh and he definitely likes to He's not very nice on the field, which is what you like in an offensive lineman, and I think that's his biggest strength. And he's just a big dude, I mean, naturally big dude. The h The other guy that is on the top of many boards, which is Troy uh Fought New Fought New from Washington. I'm not fo U, t a n u and a lot of people are excited about him. And when I

watch him, I see guard. He's he doesn't have that that natural size that Latham or f Wonga has, or that Memes has or all he's he's shorter in statute. He's got really good hands and really good athleticism. But I just, I just I think he could play tackle, but I think his natural spot as guard, and I think he's got a really natural movement to him. I think he would be better suited to playing guards. Did you look at Olu fashion U from Penn State tackle?

I did, and he's he's big. I mean, he's naturally big. Don't watch the Ohio State game. Don't watch it, noj JP. I'm just telling you, Touey mooloow for two years in a row, rip that offensive line to shreds, including him, And there's when I want when I didn't. Well, there's a reason many team people have him rated in his in the top three because he's a left tackle. There's

something about him that's a little off. Like when he sets, he doesn't gain a lot of ground with his sets, So he's kicking but he's not gaining a lot of ground. And then so a lot of times he ends up having to turn to catch up to chase a guy. And when an offensive tackle turns to chase a guy, he's essentially opened than the gate shortening the corner. And he's a he's a little stiff, a little stuff. And that's why I have he wasn't on your list, why

he wasn't on my list? Many people had him up there. He's a big guy. Now he's six foot six, you know, and and but again it's there's something a little bit too mechanical. And then again the steps don't seem.

Speaker 3

To be as fluid. There you have it, I look at offensive tackles. We're back in a moment with Microsoft Social media. Questions on tension XL Jaguars dot Common Jaguars YouTube is Jaguars Happy were brought to you by the Saint John's River Water Management District, Florida's water It's worth saving.

Speaker 2

Tough way to end for me.

Speaker 8

Did everything that I could to try to get back, but.

Speaker 2

Just a couple of weeks behind. But I'm feeling really good. You know.

Speaker 8

I spent about a month here after the season just trying to get my body back to the place that it needed to be. And you know, I'm paying free now, and you know, just happy to be back in the building around the guys and just you know, with a new mindset and new mentality to just bounced back from last year.

Speaker 2

Obviously we didn't.

Speaker 8

Meet the expectations that we had for ourselves, and you know, we have a chip on our shoulder and we're gonna come in every day in off season program and work towards that.

Speaker 2

Christian Kirk caught up with him in the hallway yesterday here at the middle of Electric Center, the full conversation at Jaguars dot Com. But he had a core muscle thing for a while, was trying to play through it, and then a groin injury on that Monday night football game. First catch of the game, he goes down. He's done for the year.

Speaker 3

Was actually back on the practice field some weeks later, which is remarkable, but just couldn't find his way to the game field. It's Jaguars Happy Hour, brought to you by the Saint John's River Water Management District. Florida's water it's worth saving and he was the key to the whole thing on offense. I felt he was gone and it was like a totally different world.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and I mean you add in, you know, with last year the quarterback dealing with a variety of injuries last year and then losing the most dependable receiving option that he had in Christian Kirk. And you know, that's kind of was what it was, part of the contribution to one of the worst finishes to a season in franchise history.

Speaker 3

The worst, Oh, come on, one of it was not even trying to be nice.

Speaker 2

Come on, this is what it was. Trying to be nice, being nice business is what it was. Alost five or six, will go ahead, let everybody three. Everybody knows, everyone's aware. Trust me. We run up with the TV and Trevor Lawrence talking about Foyer and Trevor talking about how they're going to use that as motivation, and then they should, I mean they should be better and angry about it, because that's I mean, they were at one point, where

were they eight and three? Yes, and team or people around the league were talking about the Jaguars being the team to beat in the National Football League, and then it was the most epic collapse in franchise history. And the Yeah, that should leave a bad taste in your mouth and give you a lot of extra motivation going into every year in the future.

Speaker 3

AE w returns to Daily's Place coming up soon. Two action pack Knights Aw Dynamite April twenty fourth, AW Collision and Rampage April twenty seventh. Tickets on sale now dailies Place dot com, JP Shadwick, Jeff Logwin. Time for the social media questions powered by Microsoft. We put the cat signal out today. Here's the best we've come up with at Jaggs Fan at seventy two. What are the chances of the Jaguars getting the trifecta this offseason? Josh Allen

signed check extend Trevor Lawrence and the stadium deal. Well, I mean the Trevor Lawrence stuff's being talked about.

Speaker 2

I'm I trying to put a number on this. I mean the chances, right, I guess chances first of all, percentage. I'm not in those discussions, but that Trent Balkey is having an all show. As Trent said today, ownership is involved in that because the size of the contract is going to be probably bigger than the initial value of the franchise when it was purchased by Wayne Weavers. Sure, I don't know, Yeah, I'm being dead serious. I mean that that's where that contract's probably going to be at

which is a large number, and the stadium deal. I would hope that it gets done. It needs to get done. From all reports, it's trending the right way, So I'm feeling positive on all fronts. If you a percentage that eighty one, you put a number on it, I'll go seventy five. It's good. I'll go seventy five, you know, seventy seventy five somewhere in that range. Yeah, good, it's good.

I mean, you know, I hope it's like one hundred ninety nine point nine because there's never a sure thing in life, you know, So I'll stick with the ninety nine point nine because it's April eighteenth. But seventy seventy five? What else?

Speaker 3

You got a lot of weeks ahead at gt RZ and seven to one? What is the real difference between Doug calling plays versus press calling plays? Ultimately, doesn't Doug have final say? From Trevor's comments, it seems he wants press with the continuity unless he's just towing the company line.

Speaker 2

But I don't get the impression that that Trevor tows the company because he feels like he's off with a toe company line. So I think that's a little bit of a I don't want to say it's an insult, but it's it's not very fair. Trevor, I think is very open and honest and speaks his mind. And look, I get it, and that Doug always has the ultimate authority. He's the head coach, and he's an offensive minded head coach. Now, what's the difference between Doug or Press calling the plays.

I think every play caller has a groove, and every play caller can be in a groove and then also lose the groove. Just like a batter in baseball, you feel like you just you know, when you step to the plate, you're seeing the ball and you're just feeling the ball and you're making great contact, and then sometimes you hit a slump and sometimes you just don't feel like that. Hey, I just can't I can't make anything right. I can't swing the bat well at all. And I

think sometimes that happens with a play caller too. You know who have the groove in the second half of games in twenty twenty two, Press Taylor exactly. Yeah, so all of a sudden he can't call plays. I think they're both capable of calling and uh and yes, Doug has the ultimate oversight because he's the head coach. Yeah, he can veto and he's on the headside. He can make suggestions, he can do he can tell Press what

to do. Hey, Press, By the way, you're gonna call z X right thirty four on two and give him the snap count as well. I don't mean whatever that play call would be. What would that be? You think, what's that? That Z whatever you just said? Just making it something up, you know, I mean defense. It was just so simple. Pirate, Let's run the pirate, Yes, you know, over pirate cover three? Okay, break off the offensive terminology.

Put it this way. If it was if it was like an efficiency of use of words, defensive play call might be like five words. An offensive play call might have, you know, and defense would have a combination of words the numbers. So I will say five total. I'm not gonna talk of offense football IQ of defensive players. Offense might have like twelve to fifteen word number combination. It's a lot. It's very different.

Speaker 3

Your Microsoft questions are in. Thank you for the submissions, and thanks for listening.

Speaker 5

Here.

Speaker 2

A week from tonight we'll be doing the draft looking forward to it. I love the draft. I do. I love the draft, and I'm looking forward to I got a little reunion next weekend too, JP Quickly nineteen eighty four Virginia State High School baseball champions. I have a reunion to go to. Wow. Yeah, between the graduate little baseball thing early. Congratulations all right.

Speaker 3

Thanks to Joe Fortunado, Brent Reaver for Jeff Logoman. I'm JP Shadwick. Thanks to you for listening at Shaguars Happy Hour, presented by the Saint John's River Water Management District.

Speaker 2

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