Jaguars Happy Hour: Tuesday, November 2

We'll put a bow on thirty one to seven Seahawks over the Jaguars, and then we'll look ahead to week nine. It's the NFL. No games are easy, but this one was really tough. The Bills are coming to town. The top team one of well, you could argue to the top team the a FC right now, the top scoring offense, the number one overall defense, the most takeaways in the league. The Bills coming here. We'll take an early look at that one, and then at five o'clock, Jaguars radio network

coverage begins with the Urban Meyer Show. From five to six, head coach Erman Meyer will join us. We'll get his final thoughts on the Lawson, Seattle and some of the early work looking ahead to the Buffalo Bills. Jeff Loghman with us. Now, good afternoon to you, Jeff. What's up man. It's all good, j P. It's all good except for the film that is not good. It's mostly good except for the film was It was a tough game, and uh,

you kind of got into uh. I think you know, the the bye week doldrums, coming back, trying to find your groove of coming back, and then you got a west coast trip. You put those two together, and I think you can have a recipe for poor performance. And that's exactly what they had. Why is that, I mean, it's a bye week. You should come back refreshed and ready and and eager to go. You got guys coming off the injury list and and let's go, let's play

some ball. Why is the theory that sounds great? But the reality is is that when you encounter a bye week, sometimes you get healthy and you get better. But it's not like this team was beat up that much before the bye week. But the reality is is that you get out of your routine. And so sometimes when you get out of your routine, you're like, Okay, you have a little bit of a hard time finding your groove.

And then next thing you know, you're traveling to the West Coast on a Friday, and now the routine is even disrupted a little bit more because you're traveling on a Friday, and so it's just different. And uh, I had a I had a bad feeling about this game, and it came to fruition. The offense struggled, the defense struggled, and the penalties came back as well. Miscommunication return That was a real key back in the week one loss of course to Houston. Urban Meyer addressed it all on Monday.

We also had turnover and the turnovers negated by a penalty, just lack of dispine, sloppy play. You had the twelve men issue where one penalty and one time out. You know, I needed that, We needed that time out, So we have to get that corrected. There's I was really upset about that. That should never happen. Um, So we addressed that today. UM. And then offense, you had the delayed games, which is very uncharacteristic of Trevor and and so we just got to give him more opportunity of practice and

and uh, and get the plays in faster. I mean, it's accumulate to it. It's not just Trevor, it's you know. And then also the substitution of receivers would cause to that as well. So so you just, yeah, I'm very upset about that. That's that's not winning. Football doesn't have

twelve penalties. Twelve penalties ninety three yards. And as you heard him discussed there, and I'm sure we'll we'll ask him about this and Therb Meyers show coming up a little later and see if they've delved into a little further. The twelvemen on the field followed up by nearly another twelvement on the field before the snap they had to call a time out to avoid a second one in a row. Yeah, that's there's no there's no excuse man.

And and here here's the reality he talked about. Urban talked about the turnover that was negated by a penalty. I don't think Gino Smith throws that ball unless he realizes that the penalty. So in reality, it's not like he really got to take away. So Gino is being aggressive. He knows that he's got Caleb and Chays on offside. Aaron Rodgers, right, So I mean that's not that's not really a fair assessment of that. But I think the

disappointing thing is that you had too roughing. The passer calls where you finished the quarterback into the into the turf, they were the right call, totally correct calls according to the rules. J Davon Hamilton and John Ward totally guilty. You got a taunting penalty by ray Shawn Jenkins. That's the second one I think of the year. It is so uh, twelve men on the field back to back,

no excuse for that. I think the disappointing thing is that throughout the game you had kind of something bad happened, whether it be every offensive series is or every defensive series, and you had a couple of series where something bad didn't happen. But I make notes during the game, and you've got the roughing call on Devon Hamilton's you had a uh two drives later, the interception by Diggs. They're very talented safety. By the way, he's a really good

football player. Because he had a miscommunication by Tavon Austin and Trevor Lawrence. Then you have a taunting by Rayshawn Jake and rowed on downs. You've got twelve been on the field twice, which also has Caleb and Chays on all sides on that same drive. I mean, there's just so many different things that that you go, what are you what are you doing? I mean, it's just a lot of noise. It's a bad day at the office,

There's no two ways about it. And it's one that you certainly say bad performance by the players, and then you also have to say that's not a very good performance by the coach staff either. And and I'll say this the thing that I did not like at the end of the game, score a touchdown, you kick the extra point, and then you go for two. And I know that coach talked about it in this press conference and said that, look, it was an opportunity at getting

reps on that. Let me just say this about that, when you score a touchdown, you go for two, So then it still can be and if you get that, then you can still keep it a two possession game. It's the sixteen point game, rights, so then you can go for the onside kick. You don't kick the extra point, still have a three possession game, and then choose to do the onside kick because you want to practice it, because here's the reality, that's the most dangerous playing football

is the onside kick. You don't practice the most dangerous playing football because you want to try it out, or you want to try to steal another possession on offense. If you're gonna, if you're gonna do that at you have to go for two before that. If you make it going for two, then you go for the onside kick. And if you get it, okay, if you don't, if you don't convert the two point conversion, then you do

not attempted on side kick just to steal possession. It becomes absolutely for no reason at that point, okay, I mean, and guys are putting their bodies out there, and it's probably why JP you know, it's probably why he had the return for the touchdown on the onside kick. Did you get the impression that guys were throwing their bodies around on this onside kick at that point because the score is what it is. I mean, there's gonna be

guys making a business decision. They're not gonna put their head in there and go dive after the football right now. I mean, that's why the running back and uh, it was Travis Homer who ended up taking it all the way back for a touchdown. And so anyway, I just wanted to give you my thoughts on that because I wanted to volunteer. So, how do you, for lack of a better term, circle of wagons again, you know, get the coaching staff and players back on the same page

and eliminate a lot of these communication things. You said, it's yeah, players when they're on the field, as Tony was silly said last night, Hey, if you're the twelfth guy, you gotta look around, Hey, you're in my spot and talk to each other and get off the field. Was gonna leave or And at what point does that become The coaches can only go so far on the field, but you still have to coach them, goach that out of them, like there's a balance there. I thought it was.

It was kind of comical when you watch the film back, okay, and they've got twelve guys on the field and you had an extra defensive lineman. Okay, so I think it was jahad Ward. He's he's literally he went from the left side of the defensive line to the right side, and he's like, where am I gonna play. They're all they're all taking so it's kind of funny. It wasn't funny, but it was funny. And he's trying to figure out where he can play. Wait, wait a minute, I'm one

of the defensive linemen out here. Where where where can I line up? And there was nowhere formal line up. So eventually he just puts his hand down and it becomes a five down lineman situation and you're just going and then you have the time out and then you you it's happening again. I mean that that was like, you gotta be kidding me. Moment. Uh, what's the old airline airline commercial? You want to get away? Right? Yeah? Sure, you know one of those where Colgan take me away.

That is definitely one of those moments. By the way, the trade deadline was four o'clock and no word of anything from the Jaguars. So quiet at the deadline for the Jags. So a couple of the big trades, Ingram left Pittsburgh to go to Chiefs Kansas City, and then von Miller goes to the Yes, that's a big one. For a second. Enough, that's all they have left. By the way, all the other one the Rams don't believe

in draft picks. The Rams are going all in right now and after a couple of three or four years if they don't win, and it won't matter anyway for the well, that's less neat and less Need is. In fact, less Need was he was here back in n and less Need was essentially an errand guy, which he would do different things in scouting, you know, and uh, and he's a nice guy, and but he got a start here, was willing to do anything. And now he's the general manager of the Rams, and and he has him and

the coach have done a very good job. And I will say when I say very good job, I think that's subject to interpretation. But you can't argue with the results. But some people would say you're not doing it and building the team to make it lasting. They're trying to win. They're trying to win now. They they thought they were about a quarterback away, so they went and got the quarterback in the trade Stafford and now getting the pass

rusher in. I mean, you put his contracts up at the end of the year, if er if he if he gets back to being von Miller, which he can still do that, and you put him out on the field with Aaron Donald together. Holy in the back end of that defense too, Jalen do all that. Yeah, it's tough. Guess what The Jacks get to play them in about five weeks time in l A. So we got that going for us so far. I have I have never I've never seen a more dominant defensive player in the

National Football League in a long time. Now. I mean I'm talking when Von's on, I'm talking no, no, no, no no, I'm talking about Aaron Donald. Donald. Yes, yes, he can take over the whole. I'm saying, you gotta as a defensive lineman. Now you have to go back to the Bruce Smith, the Reggie White, the and he's better than John Randall, you know. I mean John Reynolds great now, Yeah, I mean those guys are are edge guys though Donald's inside. John Randall was an inside guy. He was a little

old three technique kind of like Aaron Donald is. Because when Aaron Donald was coming out, I was looking at his his measurables, going, you know, I don't know about this guy being able to do it, and uh, he's doing It's like the best in the league. And he's one of the best ever I mean, this guy is a he's a walking gold jacket shoeing Aaron Donald is

There's no doubt about that. So for the Jaguars to have to figure out how to block Aaron Donald, that's gonna be a huge challenge for them in that game, no doubt. And then he throw a van on the outside and yeah, here we go. Um, by the way, that game is coming up at so FI Stadium December five, December first or so, we'll have plenty of time on this program to go over those matchups because, um, there are a lot to dissect in that anyway, that's down

the line a little bit. Um If you know, this didn't seem just going into the last week or so like a team that would really be too active unless there was somebody out there that you could get for not just this year, but two or three years down the line to stay the hard part, that's that's the hard part. These guys don't come around and there aren't available to all. Trent Balky and Urban Meyer are trying, you know, and you always try to do this. You

try to build something that's sustainable. And what sustainable means is that whoever you acquire that they're going to be available, not just for they're gonna be available for next year two and then also and so I think that's part of factoring in whether you want to get a guy in the trade before the trade diedline. Typically the it's a seller's market when you're talking about the trade deadline. If you had von Miller, would you and he's on a one year deal? I mean, don't you think the

Denver Broncos did pretty good getting a second and a third? Yeah, because who knows we're gonna really going to resign him at the end of the year. Yeah, that's a really I mean, so it's a perfect example of it being a seller's market. And from the Ramps perspective there in the hunt they need to win, we can afford this. That's typically who I don't want to say that they view it as that. That's typically if you're in that position, then you view that you maybe make a trade like that.

But if you're not, you've got to get a guy that's gonna give you some type of commitment beyond this year. You know, that's gonna, like I said, help you in

the next couple of years, not just this year. So and that's that's hard to find sometimes, and then if you do find a guy that a team is willing to trade for, there is typically there's something there that hasn't made that player has loved, you know what I mean, as far as there's something wrong, there's some kind of I don't know what you would call it, some type of glaring wart or whatever you want to call it

that the player has. If I mean, because look at that's and not all players have that, then they're not all covered up, and maybe it's just not a full organizational fit. You know. Sometimes it's just Okay, let's move on from said player and and start over. Hey, So given give an example, Okay, c J. Henderson was traded. Correct, Okay, perfect example, he has he has a Blemishkay. The reports were the coach and and one of the defensive coaches

went to his house to talk to him. They confirmed which, yeah, which they were talking to him supposedly about because he didn't want to play ball anymore. And has he played that well for Carolina since the we got Dan Arnold out of that trade, producing every week. So I think my point about that is is that if there's a guy that's willing to be traded two things because von

Miller doesn't have any blemishes on him. He's a great player, but the only drawback to him from the Denver Baco's perspective is how many more years can he play at the level that he's at? Can can you make it work from a cap perspective? And what is the team that wants him willing to give us? They value a second and a third round pick more than they value a player who only has this year left on his deal, especially if wherever they are in the standings right now.

I mean, Denver is you know, last player four and four and they're chasing Vegas and the Chargers. I mean it's a tight division, but no guarantees. Let's come back defense for the Jaguars. We'll get into what happened this past week. Gino Smith, your guy, it was hot, red hot, white hot to start the game. Yeah. Well, uh, he must have listened to the Free Game show. That's why he might have. And if you were all over it, well I just said he's not a very good quarterback.

Well he heard that. He took it personally. Still not. We'll get into that coming up. P r I Productions, the official event production company the Jags has everything you need to bring your next idea to life. Visit pr I Productions dot com. And this is Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Hard Rock sports Book Digital Network. In this league, I should never happen, you know what I mean, there's there's there's no excuse for that, there's no response.

We have to have better communication coming off the field, and obviously it's a hectic environment. You know, there's d lineman and are locked in trying to get to play and then this guy's running on. So it's gotta be a communication thing where if you are running on the field, you have to call. You gotta go one for one. You can't just run on the field and just say, hey, it's my turn to play. So it's a lot of things, you know what I mean. It's it's the time and

other substitutions. Um, it's it's players not communicating when they come in. So it's a total thing, and it's such an easy thing to fix, you know what I mean. It's not like it's something hard like when you when you you know, raise your ann when you're running in and you know who you're supposed to grab. We're going from Um, Baseberk Jack personnel, the nickel personnel, whoever the nickel is. He's gotta go run and grab the sam. Like everybody knows what they're supposed to do, we're just

not doing it. So it's on Earth. That's Miles Jack after the game in Seattle this past Sunday, and Jaguars Happy Hour continues Hard Rock Sports Book must be twenty one and physically President Florida the wager concerned about gambling please call one eight hundred five to two four seven zero zero, presenting a sponsor of the Jaguars Digital Network. J P. Shadrick, Jeff Lagerman, Joe Fortunano, Bret Reever. Glad

you're along with us today on Jaguars Happy Hour. That's Miles of course talking about the twelve men on the field penalty in the near and next when we've gone through that, um, you know, coverage issues were there again. There was all this talk about all we're gonna play more zone now, and you know they still it felt like they were the Locket and net Kaffre just running open. A lot of times. Well, Lockett got separation, particularly when

he was being covered in Man with Tyson Campbell. I mean, look Locks a great player and he's uh one of the top five guys in the National Football League at yards per catch. He's got great speed, elite speed. So it was Tyson Campbell, but he ran away from Tyson and got separation. So and then when the Jaguars played zone, he's pretty crafty about finding the opening. And that's he's

a great player. And what has happened prior to this game against the Jaguars, Tyler Lockett hadn't gotten really much of a connection with Gino Smith. No. In fact, the numbers with which is kind of ridiculous. In the last five games, Tyler Lockett had only had a hundred fifty nine yards receiving and no touchdowns. In the first couple of games of the season, he had two yards and three touchdowns, and so there was no connection with with Gino. But you know, it's just it's hard for a defense.

And I think the Jaguars coaching staff and personnel probably over evaluated, or should I say, I don't know another way to put this. They overvalued what they had in the back end at the start of the year. You're saying at the start of the years when the ross was set. Okay, we're set with these guys and here's why, right, And obviously that changed a little bit with with c J. And then you have a rookie who's clearly struggling Enticon Campbell. But it's hard to go from Okay, all of all season,

all of training camp, were prepared to play man. We're gonna play man, and you're practicing man, and you're practicing you know, the blitzes and the pressures and all that kind of stuff. And then all of a sudden, now you've said, well, you know, we gotta be more zone. It's probably a little bit easier to go from zone to man because it's easier to practice or better to practice something that you got. Even with zone less, you have to relate to what the routes are in his zone.

And man, it's man. You're chasingly going around, right, So and if that man is better than your man, then

that man is gonna win the man. And so, I mean, in hindsight, which hindsight is always I mean, I'm not trying to criticize the coaching staff for the personnel staff here, but maybe with hindsight and hindsight for everybody, was said, you know what, let's let's maybe just try to be balanced and that way we're practicing both and then we'll see where we go if if if we feel like we're playing pretty well and we feel like we can play more man, and we'll we'll play a little bit

more man, if we feel like we're not quite good enough talent wise, and we'll play a little bit more zone. And that's okay. But it didn't happen like that. They came out practicing a lot of man, but that they look it's uh, Rome wasn't built overnight, now, you know. And the disappointing thing is though that you know they're talking about rebuild. That term has been used now this week and in the off season you signed the safety, he'sig a corner and free agency and then you drafted

a safety and you drafted a corner. So I mean the rebuild is I mean, you're right in the middle of it, but I mean you would you were hoping for better results now having a cornerstones of the rebuild at some point you hope that kind of equity into it, you hope. And then and they got a ways to go, you know, they got a ways to go. I mean, Tyson's got a lot of growth to make to make and and I think he'll make it. I think he's first of all, he works hard, he's got this, he's

got the physical toolbag. He's gotta learn to play the ball better. Can he do that at the level where you want him to be? I mean, that's that's that's an interesting question because when like when you watch Josh Allen, when Josh Allen plays the game, he's very aware of the ball and he finishes really well. Is this something

that you either have or you don't. And I've said this before, the finishing the ball awareness sometimes is something that confidence will help build, that experience will help build that. But then in some cases you either have it or

you don't. Bucky Brooks on our Wednesday show on Jaguars dot Com a couple of times and said, you know, sometimes if somebody has like a a baseball or basketball background, when you have to play the ball, that if you play outfield right depth balls coming at you, you gotta figure out I never can figure that out right as a kid, but like you know, you have to figure out how where the ball is coming and play the

ball basketball you're getting rebound the same idea. So A lot of times scouts will think about that background when they're going after a corner type player to evaluate his ability to go get the ball. I don't know if there's much of a background of that with Tyson whatever, but whether you play it or not, some guys have it, never played those sports, so either it may or may not be coachable. You know, the two the two toughest positions I think in the NFL for a rookie quarterback clearly.

I mean, I mean, look, you're you're gonna take some lumps. I mean even when you're the first overall pick in the draft. I mean, go back and you look at all the the eight men, Peyton, Manning's the John Always, I mean, you name it. Every guy that was picked first overall has had struggles. For the most part, I don't know if is there a first overall pick quarterback that hasn't struggled. I mean, everybody's got some Andrew Luck, I mean, I'm trying to think of how he was

his rookie year. But I mean and then the other positions. Corner, yeah, because you're I dont On Island. Yeah, and they got veteran guys running rounds against you and picking on you, and the veteran quarterbacks are picking on you and everything in college football. If you were Tyson Campbell or or a corner at any major college football program, how many guys did you go against that we're gonna play in

the NFL. And I'm not talking about somebody that plays for Alabama, because in practice, you were gonna place guys that we're gonna play in the NFL every day part of the deal. But it kind of depends on this on the schedule, right, right, But I mean, you know, if let's say you're in a sec right Georgia, Yeah, has some some offenses, some players, you know, and every once in a while have a guy. Um Florida will

have a guy every once in a while. But the hard part when you make the transition to the national football at corner is that, okay, the the level of talent that you're facing is what you have never seen yet, and it's every week and it's every week. But then you also have to add in the complexity complexities of understanding your game plan. So now you're trying to learn what you're supposed to do against a great player. That's not easy to do, you know, So what we're seeing

is exactly that with Tyson Campbell. We're seeing a young player struggle and he's just got to continue to work and bring the lunch pail and continue to work to get better. And I think he will because I think he's built that way. Our final thought on the Jaguars

defense versus the Seahawks offense. Gino Smith started the game with fourteen consecutive completions, the longest streak to start a game by any quarterback in the National Football League this season, and he finished with a career high completion percentage twenty of twenty four passing probably a yards. He did throw a couple of touchdowns. It was all if Fish shows his halftime numbers, it was his game. That was end

the game numbers. Well, I mean you might as well have said that that was his happen I mean, what was Tell me what he did? Do you have the half numbers number? By that? I asked that because Seattle totally took their foot off gas pedal at half time. He was fourteen and fifteen at half they took their foot off the gas pedal. I mean, they're up three scores and you know they had the two possessions into the second half, they'd scored again and what did it

go four to nothing? Then at that point Seattle said, okay, we're just gonna hand the ball off. And I think they had three straight run plays of the extra right, that's right. So I know that, you know, the defense made some comments that you know, they felt good about their second half level of play, but it was it wasn't the same was Seattle. I don't think they were concerned at that point. I don't think so either. It didn't feel that because their defense was dominating the Jaguars offense.

I mean that was that was a struggle for the Jaguars offense. And we talked about it before the game, we talked about it during the game, and that Seattle's defense, if you look at their ranking as you're looking at the wrong thing. And the reason I we say that is because in the first five weeks of the season, Seattle was terrible. They had no team in the league had given up more yards then the Seattle Seahawks defense.

I want to say it was the tune I wrote it down four over four and fifty yards a game. But in the last couple of games prior to facing the Jaguars. They were only allowing eight teen points a game the last four games. Going into the Jaguars game, they were the number one defense in the National Football League at third down percentage allowed. Their takeaways were getting better.

They have two I'm talking great players. Bobby Wagner in that game was incredible, Okay, Jamal Adams was incredible, and the Jaguars got dominated by that defense. That was the story of the game. When Trevor Lawrence looks like he's lost in her own bad balls and and he's having used timeouts because that's just something that we haven't seen out of that offense, Well, let's come back and delve into that a little bit more. James Robinson banged up in the game, might have changed some of the idea

um but they had on offense. And as you said, Trevor Lawrence threw the ball fifty four times. That's not ideal, not ideal for any quarterback, much less a rookie. Check out the Official Jaguars Podcast Network. It's a free subscription on Apple, iTunes or Spotify or wherever you download pods. Give us that five star rating as always, and this is Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Hard Rock Sports Book Digital Network. I think it just goes to show, um, she don't come out and ready to play and you

don't play well. This can happen to anybody any week. You know, it doesn't matter who you're playing. You just gotta you gotta play well. And we didn't. So I think that's as you know, it's not concerning. Obviously. For for me, it's not. Um, I just because I'm in that locker room. I'm you know, with all those guys and see how hard we work and how we prepare, and um, I know apart from the outside looking in,

it might be, but it's it's not concerning. It's just we played like crap today and that's gonna happen every now and then, and um, but I can't let this

happen again for sure. It's pretty straightforward. From Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars quarterback, after the Laws in Seattle this past Sunday and welcome back, It's Jaguars Happy Our Coming up at five o'clock the Urban Meyers Show on the Jaguars Radio Network, we'll hear from the Jaguars head coach get his final thoughts on the Laws in Seattle and then look ahead to the Buffalo Bills coming up. Jaguars Game Day broadcast are presented by vices Star Credit Union and the Jaguars

will face the Bills this week. We'll, as we said, we'll get to that a little bit later. The top team. We could argue they are the top team in the a f C coming in next week. We touched on the offense at the end of that last little bit there. Trevor Lawrence was forced to throw fifty four times in the game. James Lawrence banged up James Lawrence, James Robinson. Excuse me, Trevor and James and Robinson and Lawrence, James Robinson with a Bruce he one, sim James Lawrence JP

actually made a mistake. I did, and I own it. Hashtag on it um Bruce heel day to day for James Robinson. When you left the game, you know, hey, that that kind of changed the whole feel of what they were trying to do. Totally changed it. I mean literally, and you could see that the Seattle defense I think respected the running game a little bit less. I mean,

that's how good James Robinson is. And and I know that Urban has a history with Carlos Hyde and and they feel pretty confident with him, but the reality is he is not James Robinson not. I mean, the NFL is about talent, and if you don't have your best talent out there, it's hard to be at your best. And when James went out, I thought it was a significant loss. He is he is their best player on offense,

and that's not even debatable. At some point Trevor Lawrence may be the best player, but right now he's not. And for a young quarterback, you've got to have a great offensive rushing attack, and James Robinson gives them their best chance at that. So to not have him, I mean that was crushing. And I think the one thing that kind of tick me off a little bit. First of all, it was a very legal push by Bobby Wagner on the sideline inbounds, inbounds and it wasn't over

the top or anything of that nature. But where was I mean, the Seahawks bench man catch the guy? Don't just like open up part the scene so I can go flying into the bend, sure something. I mean, somebody just catched the guy professionally, have a little professional courtesy. Well that's what it is. And I say that because he's a Jaguar. But now if somebody, if Myles Jack pushes a seahawk on the Jaguars bench, I'm saying, get out of the way, say let him go. Of course

you are right, tell colored glasses you gotta so, you know. Alright. So the longest play at offense was seventeen yards and it was the pass of the flat to James Robinson, which goes to show you how good he is. The next longest play was fourteen yards. That was a run, So nothing down the field at all. Who had to run James Robinson, not James Lawrence. James Robinson. After that, I mean he just said no. Nobody opened down the field now, and when they did, they either dropped the

ball or it was out of bounds or whatever. The case there really is is I mean, they're missing, they're missing the vertical aspect. So and know that we've talked about that for weeks, but it's gonna be what it is. They didn't trade for any new guys. Well, look at that doesn't factor into the equation. You have to still you still have to have a vertical element to your game. And the reason why is it because if you have the vertical element, it makes the area bigger that the

defense has to cover. Well, yeah, you see what I'm saying. Yeah, see what I'm saying. I see Let me use my Doug mussy. Yes, I do know what I'm saying. What are we doing? It's another dug is um. But what it does it makes the defense honor the back part of the field and it opens up the windows everywhere from their closer back to the line of scrimmage. And right now they really don't have a vertical element to their passing game. And and you know, look at it.

It's not just because d J. Chark is on injured reserve because he wasn't just the are there, but they have kept guys on this roster because they supposedly had great speed. Okay, and where is that speed at? I mean, look, Tyron Johnson active in the game, supposedly has great speed. We haven't seen anything vertical with him. You've got James Jamal Agnew who has he's a separation, he gets great separation,

he's got speed. I mean, you want to see something to where the receivers are running go routes, which the go routes are just straight down the field they go. And the reason that go routes have to be a part of the game. It stretches the defense out number one and it makes defenses honor that. And then when you throw the ball on go routes, a couple of things can happen. Hey, you might get a completion. You might that'd be good. A second thing is that you

gave maybe get an interference. That would be also nice, just as good. And then the other thing could happen is that you could be an incompletion and no penalty and that's okay, okay, let's line up again, play, Or it could be intercepted. That'd be bad. That could be bad. But I mean I think that that's but that's three good things and one bad thing. That's part of why you mean, I mean Al Davis, God Rest his soul. Al Davis always believed in the vertical element of the game.

I mean, that was and he I mean he he gave the marching orders to his personnel, guys, his coaching staff the ball must be thrown deep and that's and he was right. I mean, he was totally right. And that's in the seventies. Even Bill Walsh, who had this controlled passing attack had the vertical element to it. John Taylor, Okay, it wasn't just Jerry Rice on slants and little crossing routes. John Taylor was a guy they could go. So even Bill Walsh had a vertical element to his passing game,

and in this offense. In the last couple of games, we haven't seen a lot of that vertical element. That's in fact, that's a note that I've made after like the last three games. I've heard this before. Where's the vertical element to the passing attack? Do you yeah, that's what it is. I mean, do you work it in I mean working more in the game plan. Maybe it's in the game plan and it's covered and they just can't make the throw down field, you know. I mean, okay,

well at some point you can't force it into three defenders. Right. Well, I haven't watched the tape, but like I mean, are they isn't there? Are they trying? They're they're not. They're not trying as much I think, as as you probably would like. And especially when you and here's the thing that's gonna be more difficult going forward. Most of your deep routes or vertical aspect of the passing game and

not always, but the percentages are more from play action. So, now of a sudden, if you're missing your best running back and the most respected part of your running game, nobody's gonna run down hill and chase the faith. Now what happens. What happens to that play action where you're trying to take shot down the field? Well, uh, send more games to figure something out on that side. We'll come back in a moment and talk about the a f C South is it? Is it out of control? Now?

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no wonder. It's the official truck of the NFL and proud partner of your Jacksonville Jaguars the Baptist Health Injury Report as well. When we come back, it's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Hard Rock Sports Book, Digital Network. It's very funny thing. That's something we worked, you know, even over the bye week and we got better. But yeah, that's demoralizing. You go on the road and the offense moves the ball we've put. You know, that would have

been good to down at inside of five. We've been really good at that and making god the field it goes in the end zone and taking down the field and spoor and then uh score again. So Gino had a he's a streetly player and he was streaky at first. I mean there's time we even had a guy doubled and he stuck one in there. Um, but those are two good receivers and we gotta play better and and uh but we played you know, the tale of two house on defense. That's head coach Urban Meyer earlier this

week and welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy Hour. We'll hear from head coach Urban Meyer on the Urban Myer the show I'd lead up. That's at five o'clock on the Jaguars Radio Network every Tuesday. Hello, lot, Well, the special teams that he talks about, what was a very good uh the first drive player. He's referring to you got a really nice punt by Logan Cook and an opportunity

with Rudy Ford to catch the ball at the phone. Yeah, so here's a great chance to back up Seattle play some field position, because if you can get great field position like that, then it kind of can tip the scales for field position throughout the game or at least throughout the near future. And he doesn't catch it, it bounces the ground and rolls into the end zones. So now you lose. You lose fifteen yards and field position. There, you had a uh illegal formation on a punch pel

Russell lined up too deep. He's a tackle. He's got to be on the line of scrimmage. That's a mental error. I mean, when you can't get lined up properly, then that's a mental error and you can't have that. I mean, that's I mean that one there. I think you gotta say, hey, that falls on coaching. And then you had a penalty on the kick return which backed the Jaguars up to the eight. That was I think right prior to that

penalty on Chappelle Russell. And then at the end, you know you have the onside kick, which is questionable even to do that. We've talked about that, but then you allow that to be returned for a touchdown. So it was it was not a good day for special teams and it was not a good day for the offense in particular. Veterans. Choose v A for the benefits you've earned. Visit choose dot v A dot gov. And let's take a look now at the Baptist Health injury report Baptist

Health changing healthcare for good. Urban Meyer on Monday talked about James Robinson's heel injury set us day to day. We'll see the Jags did claim divide a zigbo off waivers. They've had him here before, and we'll see moving ahead what Robinson's feeling is. But then it's a long schedule ahead, and you know, do you want to throw him out there right away? Do you want to give him another week and just make sure I think no, No, James

Robinson with the injury, that's all gonna be a medical decision. Sure, But even if it's a question at all, you set him down right, if it's all I can go, I'm seventy, do you let him Go's not good enough? No? No, no, no, no, that's uh he'll say he's it's just his personality. And here's the thing. I mean, I look, they say hill bruise, but here's the reality. You don't have to reveal exactly

what it is. I mean, it can be a plan our fascionists and you say he'll bruise because I mean, in reality that could you got heal pain and you've got inflammation there, so you can say, well, that's a hill brewis. I mean, you just don't know exactly what it is. But I will tell you this. You've got a running back and he's got a foot problems where it all begins, it's not good. I mean, that's like the worst injury that you can have if you're running back or if you're a skill position player, is a

foot injury. I mean, last time I check act. You gotta run, that's part. That's what the the name of the run. You need a foot you need actually you probably need a couple of them. I just hope he's okay, because James is such a such a good player, you know, and he's like I said, he's the best player saidence before. He's the best player that they have on offense, not even close. Urban also earlier said this week that you know,

Lender is getting closer. You know the m c L is he be Now what was that game injury weeks four weeks It was against Cincinnati, right, Yeah, they said the m c L is better now, but it's the high ankles. So that was mean if you want to three times game yea three three weeks ago. Yeah, and he had what was reported to be a knee and then high ankle. Okay, high ankles are four to six. That's that's the what's remaining, according to Urban on Monday. Yeah,

so that's gonna be gonna be a while. Let's take a look at the AFC South and start with the results from this past weekend, and of course we know what happened in Seattle, the Seahawks over the Jaguars one seven overtime game. In Indy, the Tennessee Titans get an interception off Carson went in overtime and set up the game winning field goal thirty four thirty one the final and then Derrick Henry with a foot injury surgery out indefinitely and the Rams. Of course, we're up thirty eight

nothing on the Texans. The Texans scored twenty fourth quarter points to make the score closer. But it was all Rams all day against the Texans. So we look now the a f C South standings after week eight and it's Tennessee in command of the a f C South at the top of the division. Now, of course, after that went over the Colts, they have a sizeable lead over Indy in a second place in the division. The Titans at six and two, Indy at three and five, the Jags at one in six in Houston at one

and seven. So six and two, three and five, that's first a second place. And we look at the upcoming schedules and weeks nine through thirteen for the a f C South. We know the Jags schedule ahead Buffalo, Indie, San fran The Texans are at Miami by week at Tennessee their toast anyway, Indy, the Jets, the Jaguars both at home there at Buffalo that's a tough one, and then Tennessee at the Rams. What a game that'll be, and then New Orleans and Houston both in Nashville. Those

are the next three weeks. Now the question with without Derrick Henry Adrian Peterson I guess has been signed to the practice squad officially in Tennessee. You know, can Tennessee maintained this lead? Is this a lead too big to overcome for Indianapolis in the division considering Derrick Henry might be done for a long time. Did you see the interception that Carson went through? That not good? That's something that you would expect to see out of a rookie quarterback.

It was terrible. Yes, it was so. I mean, I look, I'd like to say that, Hey, look, Tennessee with Derrick Henry, they're in trouble. But who's gonna catch it? Are they? I mean, they're in trouble. I think after the season's over, in the postseason without here's the reality. Derrick Henry is their offense. He is their entire offense. Are they capable of surviving without him? I think Tanny Hill is a good quarterback. Not a great quarterback, but he's a good quarterback.

He's got some really good weapons when they're healthy. A J. Brown, Julio Jones. Tight ends are pretty solid. He's got running back that can catch the ball out of the backfield. So can they survive? Yeah? I think they can survive, But they need to find somebody because that's their identity. Their identity is running the football. They gotta find somebody that can replace some of the production of Derrick Henry Kin.

Adrian Peter person be that guy. I don't know. I mean, Adrian Peterson is the last time I saw he was still a good back. But he's not Derek Kennerman. He's like old as you are. Kennry has bailed out that team on more occasions then you can shake a stick act. I mean, he's that good. So but yeah, can the Colts catch him? No? I mean, look, I know that Frank Wright Carson Wentz have a great relationship, but that relationship didn't help Carson Wentz on that interception. I mean, seriously,

that was the worst. And I mean it's trun almost had one of them Seattle. I know, I know. It's one play in one game. Bad decision, bad decision by Carson Wentzon. And Trevor is gonna learn that you don't do that. I mean he threw it up, you know, and you can't. You just can't do that. And uh, the Rams thirty eight zip on the Texans, Well, well the Texans, you know, you know what they're saying right now. We don't really happy about our protection in the fourth quarter.

You know, we got better in the fourth quarter. We scored twenty two points in the fourth quarter. I'm sure that's what they're saying. That's what they're saying. I know it's not and what and what do you say to that garbage? Garbage? I can say a lot of things to that, but um, yeah, they're out of it. The Rams though, of course, after that win, go out and trade for von Miller and they're going all in in a very competitive NFC West Division. They feel like, hey,

they got the quarterback. Now let's go get von Miller, rent him for a couple of months and see what happens. And they're all in in l A. It's gonna be interesting to watch. It would be interesting to watch. And you know what's also going to be interesting to listen to. Coming up is the Urban Meyer Show, and just about a minute or so, we'll hear from the Jaguar's head coach, get his final thoughts on what happened in Seattle, and

then look ahead to the Buffalo bit. I'll guarantee you that he is not going to be a happy coach. You know, I don't know how he could be coming out of that game you ca I mean, you have terrible performance and you know you got out played and you got out coached. It was not it was not a good day and so not not a good day to have a coaching show when you have a game like that. Prior to it. We'll hear from Urban coming up in just a moment on the Urban Meyers Show

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