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down that move and what it means. Roster cutdown to day is looming as well. We'll get into some of those roster battles. Senior VP of Sales and Service, Chad Johnson joins us at four fifteen, Tony Vaselli at four thirty, and we'll go around the National Football League flogging, and of course joins us. We're at our home studios today and let's start right off with it Logs. Ronnie Harrison traded about an hour ago, officially to the Cleveland Browns,

a fifth round pick coming back one. The Jaguars now have eleven draft picks in next year's NFL draft. Ronnie Harrison gone though, after only two years in the National Football League going into his third season. What are you surprised by this move at all? Um? I wouldn't use

the word surprised. Um. You know, here, here's the thing, JP, if you look at what's happened over the last couple of days with the Jaguars, and you kind of marry that with what they've been talking about all throughout the off season, all through the preseason here, even though there hasn't been any games, but in training camp, they've talked

about at length about changing the culture. And changing the culture to me means that you want to get rid of some guys that you don't particularly like that maybe you don't feel that they're strong him in the locker room, that they're meant for your team. And then Ronnie Harrison also might have been a case of, look, we've got a lot of talent at that position. We feel really

good about the other guys that we have. You know, let's face it, Ronnie Harrison was not a a premium starter for this football team, not anywhere close to being a premium starter. He was a a good player. Uh, but are there other guys that have a talent or a skill set that's close to him absolutely. So if you've got some other guys that are pretty close to you, you better have a lot of good culture about you. And I don't know if Ronnie Harrison that was the case.

Ronnie Harrison in his two years of the Jags just over a hundred tackles, three stacks, three interceptions, twelve passes defense, But he did have a little bit of a track record, at least on the field of some extracurriculus things. It's haunting penalty here and unnecessary roughness there. Um. That kind of thing on the field cannot help this football team. That that JP. That goes to what we're talking about here,

and that's culture. You know. I think the thing that disappointed me the most with Ronnie Harrison far as on the field stuff he had, it wasn't uncommon for him to have miss tackles. And when you're supposed to be a tackling, physical safety, you can't have miss tackles. I mean, you're the last line of defense. That's the name of the position. It's called safety. But when he had the tawning penalties that you're referring to JP, this is a guy that was wasn't even involved in the conversation that

he just entered himself into. It's almost as if at times it was similar to the Leonard four Nett situation in Buffalo to where Leonard four Nette involved himself in a fight on the far side of the field when he had absolutely nothing to do with the play. Ronnie Harrison involved himself in certain skirmishes on the field where he wasn't even involved in the play and ended up

getting tawning penalty. So, look, I don't know if this is the exact reason why, but from my perspective, and they're talking about aging culture, you've got to make sure that you have your guys, and especially when you're going young, because look, the fact is that the Jaguars are going young, and when you're going young, you want to make sure that the influences in that locker room are strong and strong and positive. And I think that that's where the

focus is with this football team right now. I think that's what Doug Brown and Dave Caldwell are are setting out to do, even if it involves cutting a guy who is a a number four overall selection in which you could have had other quarterbacks which would have been franchise type guys. And even if you have a safety who is a third round pick and you trade him per fifth, you know, if you're gonna get better and you're gonna do it with youth, you better make sure

that you've got really positive leadership with that youth. We will ask Doug Moron about this trade today of Ronning Harrison to the Browns at five o'clock on the Doug Marrone Show and the Jaguars Radio Network. The head coach joins us at the top of the show today coming up in a little less than an hour from right now. As you mentioned the youth, Doug Maron was asked about that youth. Has he ever been around anything this young in the National Football League? No, in the NFL, I've

never never have had this. The closest I think would would be New Orleans, you know when we first went there, and then in college, you know, it was the same thing. You know, we had a lot of these young guys coming in and playing UM and it was good and and you know, yes, I in college I did see it. I would call it jeane, you know, growing pains. I saw that in the college um format um. I I don't. I don't see that, nor uh would I expect that out of the players that we put on the field. Now.

That's Doug Marone earlier today, spoke the media before practice at T I A. A. Bank Field. According to NFL research logs, the Jags had the fourth youngest roster in the league as of the middle of this week, with an average of twenty five years a d twenty one days. Only the Rams, Dolphins, and Vikings were younger as of the middle of the week. And that's just by a matter of a few days or months. So, yeah, we say it's young. It is literally one of the youngest

in the league. Yeah, but you've got to remember to jp that that calculation has made based on the roster that's not even finalized yet. Wait until this Jaguars team decides to make it's it's roster cutdown and they get to fifty three. I don't think there is any question that they may be the youngest team in the National Football League. I think they may be one of the youngest teams. Ever, as far as experience in the National Football League, this is gonna be an incredibly young football team.

It's gonna have some growing pains but at the same token, as long as they're growing, you feel good about a year in which you have that money, youth, or that many got young guys playing on your football team. They were pretty darn young back, aren't they remember that? Yeah? Yeah, they're pretty young then. But you know what, here's the difference. You had. How many draft picks this past spring? Twelve? Right? Twelve? Correct? Okay,

so you got twelve draft picks. Do you see any of those draft picks not making this football team right now? I would be really surprised if they were all not around next week. Yes, okay, So if you're keeping twelve rookies, I mean we're going back to the expansion see where you had, you know, extra draft picks and everything like that. As far as the number of draft picks that you have.

You know, but here's the thing, um. Back in you know, this football team was supplemented with a lot of guys that were in free agency, and so you had a lot of additions to that where this team had some participation in free agency, but some of the free agent acquisitions that they got opted out or been forced to retire or whatever happened. So this football team is going to be incredibly young. Uh. And it's not gonna be

just one side of the ball. I mean this, this isn't a okay, let's just reconstruct the defensive side of the ball. Let's reconstruct the offensive side of the ball. I mean, right now, this is a reconstruction across the board. Now. I mean you've got uh, certain components of the defense and the back end. You're talking about the interior, the defensive line, on the edge. I mean on offense, you've got a wide receiver position that has two young draft picks.

You've got drafted tight end, undrafted tight end, they're possibly gonna be in the mix. Undrafted running backs. I mean, this is this is gonna be uh pretty interesting because you know, when you factor in that the undrafted running backs have a strong possibility of making this team. You could end up having maybe fourteen rookies end up making this football team. That's a huge number. That is a huge not's a lot, that's a lot. Indeed, it is

no doubt about that. And all of that on the offensive side to be led by a second year quarterback and Gardner Minshew no to lean on anymore to carry the ball twenty five times games. So this is Gardner Minshew's deal. Bucky Brooks yesterday said, basically, the training wheels are off, this is your offense. Gardner and Doug Moron was asked about Minshew's mindset. Is he ready for opening day? Mentally? I I feel really good. I mean I really do. I mean he's on top of it. Uh, you know,

he's always been real sharp that way. Um. Right now we're just kind of arrest him and and you know, get him ready for for next week. So uh, you know, we're just gonna take a step back, and you know, he's done everything that we've asked him to do. Um, you know, mentally he's he's he's right on, right on target. You know. Now it's a matter of, hey, listen to all these guys have been through camp. They've been through

a lot. Um. Now it's a matter of just pull him back, you know, over these next couple of days and then you know, Monday come in and you know, my goal is to have everybody, you know, feeling and that's sometimes you're asking too much there because you really never played this game at a hundred percent, but you know, just getting him ready to go. We heard from Gardenne after practice Will hear some of his comments coming up

a little later. But but he understands what's at stake here obviously for him, I mean, it's his opportunity, is the starter going into the season in training camp for the first time really since high school, he said before. But he also knows what else is on the line. If they don't win games. Um, he and the decision makers are probably all out of here. He said that today, and we'll hear him coming up a little bit later. So there's a lot of pressure obviously on Gardner to

begin with. And now the elite running back is not around. So this feels like logs to me. A lot of Gardener mintshew this year, which wasn't really unexpected, I think going in well, I don't know about that. I mean, look, there's other running backs that are capable of filling that role, but not just one of them. I think it's gonna take a collection of the running back room to be

able to replace the numbers that Leonard Fournette had. I mean, after all, what he counted forty or almost one third of the offense, and and he was really the primary thought on on any situation, and you know, and I don't know if that's a reason, because you know, going back all the way to seventeen, he was considered to be a great player and he had a quarterback who wasn't so good, and you were trying to keep the

ball out of his hands. But the reality is is that Leonard Fournette was a dependable game day player, was the dependable non game day type of player. I don't know. I mean, it's interesting to me that a lot of the conversation about Leonard Fournette, they talked about how that this wasn't a decision about Leonard Fournette as a person or anything of that nature. But the reality is is that you just don't cut a guy if the decision

wasn't based on something besides just production. Uh. To me, that's another we talked about that culture decision JP and UH, it's gonna be a tough, tough go of it trying to find a you know, one guy that can replace his number. So it's gonna take multiple guys and and I think with j Grun's offense are gonna be dynamic. They're gonna have a lot of guys feel different roles and uh, and they feel good about what they got

without Leonard Fournette. Obviously they wouldn't have let Leonard Fournette go, you know, because of cultural reasons, if if they didn't feel good about what they could get out of the other guys. Yeah, I think my point I was trying to make about it's Gardner's offense. Well, he's got to spread it out to all those different guys. Now, I remember Leonard led the team and receptions last year too. He was the leading receiver by catching, which is not good.

J That that's not good. You don't want your running back to be the leading receiver, you know. So the quarterbacks got to throw it to to other people. I mean, look, if it's Tom Brady and he's thrown at the running back and running back as an integral part of the offense, and if J Gruen's gonna run that kind of offense, sure throw it to the running back. But last year, that's not how this offense was built to be successful.

That was like the afterthought, Okay, nothing else is there, We've got to check it down to the running back. So it wasn't as if Leonard Fournett caught a bunch of balls and every time he caught the ball on a pass that it was a dynamic play and it made an impact in the game a lot more just mediocre yards, and so you gotta be able to graduate and take that next step as a quarterback. And it's

gonna be a pressure packed here for Minshew. When I say that, more pressure on on external nature or people's opinion of the situation, because Gardner Minshew is not a guy that gives the appearance that he is swayed or impacted by pressure. I just don't get that opinion. But the reality is that Minshew's got up his game JP. You know, from watching the scrimmage on on Saturday, I

don't think it was a particularly strong performance. And so he's got to be able to bring his game up, especially with the departure of a guy that provided so much for the offense, and then you've got to find a way to replace that. Garner Minsho has got to be a big part of that, but also the running back room, the coaching staff has to find creative ways to get other guys the ball. It's a lot that

has happened this week. Of course, we'll a little later in the show get on the defensive side breakdown that in gock Way deal, and and Alan and Chason really solidifying there at the rush end position, and get your thoughts on on that move that the Jaguars made this week as well. We'll come back in a moment though, and visit with the Senior Repee of Sales and Service,

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As you mentioned, fans are coming back to t I bank Field, and in fact on I think there's thirteen game is being played that day and we'll be the only one that has fans live here in the stadiums. So we've taken a lot of precautions to make sure that we're ready. Boy and Chad. Saturday when the Jaguars were scrimmaging, some of those precautions were well on display. Uh, the extent that you guys are going through to make sure that fans feel comfortable and are safe, it's pretty amazing. Yeah.

You know, Um, there's two things. We have a lot of fans that want to come, but they also have to be willing to come, and to be willing to come, they have to know that our building is going to be safe, sanitized, and easy for them. So we've invested a lot of resources and it starts from the time they get into the parking lots to the time they leave, where we can limit contact and have a safe, sanitary

experience for them. Yeah, there's some examples of what what that those things are because you talk about, uh, the incredible commitments because I mean from pan sanitizing stations, touchless paying for things, tickets, Yeah, um, from the time you get here. We're socially distancing the parking spaces so you have extra room when you come in. We've purchased new magnetometers that will allow you to keep your cell phone and keys on your person, hold that clear bag and

walk right through, so again eliminating a touch point. We're purchasing self man's ticket scanners so fans can go right up and scan their ticket. We've invested in mobile ordering so you can order food and beverage right from your seat, get a text alert when it's ready, show your phone and they'll scan that QR co and your foods they're waiting. So we've we've really limited the contact points, but we've done so in a way that's taken a lot of investment,

both in time and resources to get ready. Chad Johnson with US, Senior VP of Sales and Service for the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jags at home next Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts to open the regular season. How difficult was it to get the socially disc since seating chart and you know, how did you guys come up with the chart this year and how long did that process take for you and your staff? So so just to get

the seating manifest already took us about three weeks. We started with using our partner ticket Master and some technology they have that can build out what it would look like on paper, but then once you get in the actual seating bowl, it's a little bit different, right, So we we took that and and really went and developed a little seating pods. You can have groups of two, four six um making sure you have space both behind

you and in front of you. And then when we went through the stadium, what's really interesting is we have different size seats all throughout the stadium. We have eighteen inch nineteen inch one inch seats, so we actually had to measure each pod uh personally to make sure we had the six foot of space that we need for

the physical distancing. UM. We're actually out there now zip tying the seats closed that won't be used, so the entire stadium will have their uh unused seats zip tied and we'll have to walk through and double check that to make sure it's accurate about trying to get a seat. You know, if if they're interested and let's say buying four game day tickets, I mean, do they have to be season ticket holders? Can anybody call the Jaguars and say, hey, look,

I'm looking for this number of seats. How does that work? Yeah? Yeah, Jeff. So we started with selling season tickets, so we did go to our current members and a number of them purchased the full season package, and then last week we did open up the individual game tickets, so those are available on ticketmaster dot com or by calling our office. What's important to know though, is that you're required to

purchase the entire pod. So if there's a group of six, you see, you won't be able to purchase just two seats of that six. You would have to go into a separate two seat pod. So the technology is helping force that fan behavior to keep that pot integrity and make sure the guests are in your inner circle and you know that they're safe as well. Chad Johnson with US VP of Sales and Service, Senior VP of Sales and Service for the Jacksonville Jaguars. You mentioned it off

the top. I mean week one, the Jacks will be the only UM building with fans in the National Football League. How much do you discuss the ideas like this with other teams in the league, get ideas from different marketplaces of how they're going about it. How much conversation happens from from marketplace to marketplace when it comes to COVID in the NFL, Yeah, we're We're on calls multiple times a week with our peers. UM. The Kansas City Chiefs will actually be the first team to open with fans.

They play on Thursday night, UM, as I mentioned, will be the only team on Sunday. And there's another another uh. Other teams that are going up, the Miami Dolphins, the Indianapolis Colts, and most teams are really wanting to it's just a matter of getting their plans approved by whether the city or state officials. And we started working on our plan back in June. So our goal from minute one was always how do we welcome fans back safely, get that process approved, then go build the manifest and

work on the business side of it. So I think we were we were really ahead of the game because it was so important to us in Axonville. Our fans are such an important part of our success and um, I'm excited to be able to do this on Sunday with Chad, with you guys working with the city and local officials to come up with a plan of you know, what you can do in the stadium as far as fans goes. How is that process with those folks and

uh and was it? Uh? Partnership completely from beginning to end. Yeah, there's a lot of entities involved in putting on a successful Jaguars game, right A sm Global who manages the building on behalf of the city, our partners at Delaware North Food and Beverage, UM Safe Security, and that group Fanatics are partners. So we had to get everybody rowing in the right direction. Then we worked with the City of Jacksonville, the medical director, city officials to make sure

from minute one we had to buy in. From minute one, we were all rowing in the right direction. And Uh, it really was a great partnership to to get this plan together. It's about a two document are back to football protocol that we submitted is about a two page document with all the things we're doing. Wow, that's a lot of change, a lot of a lot of planning

to get to this point. We're right on the doorstep of the season now, Chad, the Jags and the Colts coming up next Sunday at t i A A bank Field, and the Jags of course wants you to be safe and healthy, so all these additions are for that this year, and tickets are available again. With the site and the number of Chad Jaguars dot com slash tickets, it will give you all the different options you have, so that's

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how we feel, um. And I mean realistically, I know if we if we're taking you know, coach bron uh, Dave Caldwell and me are probably gonna be out of jobs. So I know us three and a lot of those other guys in locker room are not gonna let that crap happen. Um. So I feel very confidently and everybody's desire to win and uh that's absolutely not anything that uh,

you know, we envisioned happening. We're Minshew the second today after practice when asked about the national call of the Jaguars tanking and we're about halfway home on Jaguar's Happy Hour, jaf Shadrick, Jeff Logiven from our home studios. Tony Basselli joins us. Now we'll have Doug Moron on the Doug barn Show at five o'clock, and Tony, we'll get your thoughts right off the bat here on the Ronny Harrison trade to the Browns for a fifth round pick in

next year's draft. Now eleven draft picks from the Jags in one. Ronnie Harrison no longer a Jaguar. Big news this afternoon. What's your initial reaction when you heard the news? Um, well, you you know, I've kind of been hearing rumblings that with how the safety position was shaking out, that there might be some changes there, and uh, I think if

they looked at it, um, Ronnie Harrison was iman out. Um. So you know, you have to trust the evaluation of Doug and and Dave and the rest of the staff that they're making the best choices to give this team the best chance of winning. Um, in the big picture, you don't love you know, drafted a guy in the third round and two years later and a guy that you expected to be a pretty big piece of your

defense moving fort a young young guy. You drafted him to be a starter at the safety position, and you have to move on so quickly decepter two years and only get a fifth round in return. Yeah, lex you mentioned that earlier. That's that is a quick turnaround. But um, you know, I guess the question is is this They've

had a lot of changes in the last week. I don't know if I put the move in this realm of the last two of Fournette being waived and and Harrison being traded today, but are they done blocks Well, you know, look, I don't know. I mean, they could end up, you know, having a trade and bring some people in, or they could try to trade one of the wide receivers because I think it's a pretty talented room.

But uh, you know, I think it's just a lot the question of tanking and all that comes up because all of that happened at once, you know, and obviously the Angoquay situation has been something that's been going on all the way back to when the off season started, in free agency started, and then the Leonard Fournette thing. It was kind of going on in the draft. It was rumors would Leonard Fournette be traded during the draft,

and then the Ronnie Harrison thing. I don't want to say it comes out of the blue, because it's not completely a surprise to me, but when it all kind of happens together, that's where I think people start saying, Okay, well,

the Jaguars are tanking. But and if you're Gardner Minshew or Josh Allen or any member of this Jaguars football team, the last thing in the world you want to be doing is to be answering questions about your thoughts on people thinking that you're tanking and you haven't even played a game yet. I mean that that's gonna be incredibly discouraging from a players standpoint. I mean, Tony, we were we didn't have anybody asking this question, are you guys tanking so you can get a better draft pick? In

We didn't have that even as an expansion team. Yeah. No, it's not great, Jeff, to your point, I mean, it's a distraction and you never want your guys have an answer those type of questions. But if you think about it, you know a lot of this is coming from the external. Um. You know we're close to the team. And if I would have told you at the end of last year's we evaluated this team and kind of where they're going, UM, would we be surprised that uh and Gockway was not

on this roster. I don't think any of us would have said now, probably better than not. Chance he's not. We thought maybe he'd been traded earlier, maybe you got a little higher pick um whatever. UM. I think all of us talked about you know, letter for that's a big, big name nationally because he was picked in the top five. UM, Jeff, you and I've talked about it at length. Is he the right Was he the right fit for this team? Was he the right fit for the offense they want

to run? I mean in a single back out of the shotgun, a lot of inside outside zone. UM really doesn't fit his skill set? Probably, Um. And if you asked that he'd perform at a high level where he was a dominant back that you would expect to get as a top five pick. I don't think anyone internally would say, yeah, and we're happy with the pick, with all the things that have gone on, UM, in a

combination of on the field and off the field. And so I don't think Jeff, I know you and I would not have been surprised if you'd have told us that, UM, when we talked in January and wrapping up the year, that Leonard Fournett would not be on this team. UM. And then if you at the Ronnie Harrison and you look at the production, and UM, I don't think he

had a great year second year. I think there was a lot more expectations that he'd take a bigger step as the first year starter because he had a promising rookie year. I'm not saying he was a bad player by any means, but I think the thought was, UM, they need to get better at safety, they need to

get better at the middle of that defense. UM. And after looking at it and going through camp and looking at the draft, pick the young guy Jones that you got wingered, who played some significant snaps, especially the second half of last year. UM, and the rest of that group, I think they felt like UM, looking at the room, looking at the locker room and the production, the actual real production. Take the names off the jersey, um, take the names of where they are drafted and everything else.

You know, uh, take that away for a second. Now. I don't like trading third round picks and getting a fifth two years later. And I don't like drafting guys in the top five that don't end up being a part of your long term plan. Um, that's not good. But if you set that aside, it's as some costs, as they say in business, Um, you don't get those back. You have to make decisions that are best for the

ball club moving forward. And in my estimate, estimate, estimate, uh, in my estimate, none of this um really speaks to

this team tanking because none of it surprises me that much. Now, I think the one thing that probably a little a little hard to take for for the fan base and and even for me, it's like wow, I mean when you think about it, and Leonard Fournett is a top five pick, and that was a draft where you had a year in which Blake Portals did not you know, have a great year in the previous year, and so you you bypass two franchise quarterbacks are possible franchise quarterbacks.

I don't think there's any debate about Patrick Mahomes, and most people would be in agreement that Shaun Watson is as a franchise guy too. So I think from from a fan standpoint, when you have, you know, those two guys that are still in the league and considered some of the best young quarterbacks in the game, and Patrick Mahomes might be the brightest young quarterback to the end of the game in years, and you could have at either one of those guys and the guy that you

picked in that spot you just cut. I mean that that's that's a that's a tough thing. And so so I get some of the frustration that some of the fans because look, I mean when Leonard Fournette got cut, I mean I got my phone. I don't know about your phone, Tony, but my phone was blowing up from friends and and family and and associates that are all and you know, big fans of the Jaguars and big fans of football, and they're like, what what in the

world you know? So but I mean, it is what it is, and and uh and I definitely would say that there was more to it than just a from a talent standpoint with Leonard Fournette. You know, they kept talking as I said this earlier with J. P. Tony, Uh, they kept talking about culture and culture and culture in the off season and throughout training camp. I think there was more than just production based decision here with Leonard Fournette. Check.

I mean, all your points are good ones, but I go back to we can't we don't get a redo when we picked winner for Nett and didn't take um My Homes or Watson, and he said it on Monday night. Um, A lot of people are saying, well, that's Tom Coughlin's pick, that's the guy he wanted, um. And I don't think that's a doubt. I mean, he wanted a big back and he wanted to be physical. But I also think it was because, you know, Dave Caldwell felt like they

had a franchise quarterback in in in Blake Portals. And so you can go back and play you know, detective and you know, break down every little aspect of what we should have done, and you know and kind of do an autopsy post you know, post mortem um and figure out the mistakes and what happened. But the reality is is you sit here in you have to make

decisions what's best to move forward. UM. So I get what you're saying, and I think it's fair for the fans to be frustrated, because it's not just the frustration of the letter Ford at getting cut after being the top five pick four years ago when we needed a quarterback, or that Ronnie Harrison in the third rounder that you're, you know, a year ago telling the fan base that this is a guy we're gonna build around on defense,

is gonna be one of our safeties. Um. And then beyond issues and all that, it goes to the bigger frustration of this team having one productive year uh in the last decade um plus, and that's the season. And so all that put together is where the frustration of the fans comes in, come in, comes in, and I understand it, and I can't blame them for being frustrated. But I think at the same time, you have to separate, Um, you know what happened in because that's done. You don't

get the do over. You don't get to go back and say, oops, um, can we have the homes? Now we'll give you for net Um. You don't get to make those decisions. And now you just gotta make the best decisions for the for the ball club moving forward. And I think if you look at it, Jeff, I'll ask you, Um, do you think that Leondard four Nett gave this team the best chance that went running back the way they want to play? Now, I'm not saying

they should have cut him. I'm not saying having a guy like Leonard four Nett on your team isn't um that he's a bad player, that he can't play in this league. That's obviously not true. He is a NFL player. But if you look at the situation last year where he got all the touches UM, and you look at

the yardage and the receptions. Now, if you're going into a year where you're gonna tell him that, hey, we're gonna cut that product, that volume of touches by fifty because of the way we want to play, um, how would that go over? And what does that mean for the football team? And is it the best situation to keep in her four net when you know that's the

direction you're going. No, I'm I'm with you, because you know what when you when you tell a player like Leonard Fournette that, then Leonard is not gonna be a happy camper, and then what's your culture like then when you have a running back who used to be a big part of the offense, then all of a sudden he's asked to take a lesser role. He's not a happy camper the locker room. So, uh so I get it.

I mean, I totally understand it. But it's just unfortunate that that things of this that mean, for first and foremost, it's unfortunate that you wouldn't weren't able to get anything for him. I mean, Doug Brown said JP that they tried, but it's just surprising because you know, look, if you're cutting, I don't care if somebody's a top five pick, a top pick overall in the draft. If you can get a biscuit and a couple of coffee, you're gonna take

a biscuit and a up a coffee. So it's not like you just said, oh, we don't care about getting any value for Leonard Fournette. Literally nobody wanted to give anything up for Leonard Fournette. I mean, wow, wow, yeah, you know what they're gonna have to pay for him and deaf. It's a it's a small community. People talk. They understand it's what you do as a player on the field is part of it. What you do off the field, the locker room and kind of perception that

other teams haven't you also go into it. And again not that Leonardo is not an NFL running back. He is, but you have to wait everything in it, uh way, it all together, which includes salary off the field, you know, on the field, production, all those things, and and that

will really determine your value to a football team. And I think obviously no one was willing to give up a draft pick um And maybe it was because they knew that Jackson was gonna cut them one way or another and they could get him without having the trade for him. Who knows, but it is a little shocking to me as well that they couldn't get anything even a seventh rounder. Tony was sally with us Jeff Lagman J P. Shadrick's Jaguars Happy Hour. We heard from from

Gardner Minshew at the top of the segment. Guys, and you know he was under some pressure anyway, obviously as the starting quarterback going into this season. But you heard him discuss there all the tanking stuff, and he knows what's at stake. Here with everything going on. Um, but he seems like Tony at least the short time we've been around him. But he has the personality type to to block a lot of that stuff away and focus

on the task at hand. How difficult will that be as this season goes along, if things go well or don't go as well as they should. I never worry about the mental side of it with Gardner at all. I mean this and the and the challenges that he might face of you know, being an underdog or put an extra pressure on them, or new systems or anything like that. I mean the guy in like five different systems in college in five different years. I mean he was all over the place and and found a way

to have success amidst at all. He got thrown in after eleven plays last year as a rookie, and um, you know, acquitted himself nicely. Um, So I don't worry about that. Um you know, I think what we you know, if I when I think about Gardner, minshew, I think about it. Can he take the next step? Is he? Is he the type of player that can carry a

team from the quarterback position? Um? You were you know you asked the questions about arm strength and stuff that we saw, you know, you know, last year worst questionable, and I think we've seen a little bit of being a question in training camp at times. I mean we're hearing that they're gonna get him rest, let him rest his arm basically until you know, opening day and kind of giving a little bit of a breather there. Uh

and just you know, look at the mental side. So those are the things I worry about, not so much of him being able to handle you know, the distractions and the you know, the extra noise. I mean, part of me thinks he thrives on it because that's what he's done. Is you know, look at his college career and even last year coming in after the place. Let's go back in a moment, guys, we will touch on

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obviously today. Uh, and then you know it goes back to this process that's already started to weigh on me. I think you guys have been around me enough to know, you know, this time of year when, um, you know, having been in this position like a lot of the players you know many times, and having been cut obviously six times at least six times. Um, it's tough to think that. You know, you know, everyone that's been on that field has given everything we had. That's all you

can ask for. Um. You know, everybody on that field has has a skill I mean a skill set. Um. So you know, I just I know, for from my standpoint, you know how appreciative I am of you know, the amount of work you know that all these players that put in and coach Doug Moron today before practice Welcome back, Jaguars Happy Hour, JP, Shadrick, Jeff Flagerman, Tony Basselli. Final few moments here we will hear from Doug Maron coming up at five o'clock on The Doug Moron Show, and

we'll get his thoughts on the Ronnie Harrison trade. The first comments from any Jaguars decision makers after that deal was made about three o'clock officially today, And you know he's always um. He sounds just like that every year leading up to cut down day. Guys. You know, he's been through this thing, he said, six times at least as a player, So he understands what that maybe sometimes short interaction when you cut a player means to that player.

And he remembers the ones that happened to him throughout his career coming up in the nash Football League. So, you know, Tony, it's a tough day for Doug. He he he appreciates everything that's happened on the field, but at some point, you gotta it's a business. You gotta cut the team and move on. Yeah, I mean it's no fun. I mean I think a lot of people, you know, in you know, outside of athletics can understand, you know, you get fired or someone let you go

for whatever reason. Sometimes especially you know, look we look in this pandemic, you know time we live in around COVID. I mean people have lost their jobs and done a great good workers and it just there's no place and a lot of times in the NFL. It's the same thing as as Doug said. These are guys that do have skill set. Some will end up on other teams. Um, but you have to get down to a number. It's no fun to do for anybody. It's not fun for

the players. Um, it's not from for the coaches. But it's part of the process and it's a necessary and because you have a number you have to get to and that that day is coming pretty quick. Let me ask both of you guys. I think it'll be pretty interesting, is JP as well, because what happens after the cut, Because I mean, look, I think they probably could cut the roster right now. I don't think they're wavering on any position or trying to figure out who to keep

or who to release. I think they got a pretty good idea of exactly what the roster makeup is gonna be. But the interest from me is also because you have a practice squad that you may have to depend on this year like no other year, and you've got an

expanded practice squad to sixteen. Are you gonna have all sixteen of those come from your roster that you had in training camp or or is it gonna be like we've seen in the past with a young team which the Jaguars have committed to, do they start bringing in other guys that maybe they liked that other teams aren't holding onto. Or do they bring in maybe some veteran guys that maybe a talent rich team at defensive tackle lets a guy go and the Jaguars feel like that

they can make an upgrade there, you know. So, I think there's some entrague game things that are gonna happen with this football team. I don't think by any means they're done um manipulating the roster. And I'm not talking about trading more guys. I'm talking about maybe changing out some positions and adding some guys that maybe let go from other teams or maybe even acquired in a trade. So much like you, you go all the way back to third team, the number of roster transactions that this

team had. I think, Tony, we had a bet on it and you ended up winning because it was so many of them. I think this year is going to be very active, just like that year. And the hard part about that, though, Jeff is like, what are you making those decisions based on? Because you didn't have a preseasone evaluation. Yeah, it's a college valuation. You're exactly right. It's either college valuation or last year's tape evaluation. If it's a one, you know, a first year player that

was in the NFL last year. So um, it's not like you can look at the preseason and say, hey we like this guy. Look, man, you look good on tape. It's really from past um, past work, your scouting. You're scouting department done, and so I think it. I do agree there's gonna be some movement. It's just interesting like you're making some bets on guys that you haven't seen

in any real action. J T. Thomas was one of the most notable names that year in that was claimed by the Jags, and I think week one, if I remember right, he had a blocked punt on special teams for the Jags in this first game of action, just a week after less than a week than joining the team.

Let's go around the National Football League and we'll start with a former Jaguar goes right down the road to Tampa one year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and uh boy would have moved down there for for net one year deal. Tony. How's it gonna fit in in Tampa? Well, I thought it was interested. I was reading an article today and Bruce Arians basically said it's running back by committee.

Everyone has a role and they can do something. UH. And if I'm not a mistaken, I read that they thought they liked Leonard for Nett because he's a good pass walker. UM, and Bruce Arians was very clear that Ronald Jones, which is their second year pick of two years ago the University of Southern California, will be their feature guy. Will He'll be the guy. And then UM Shady McCoy who signed it as a free agent, and Leonard Fournette will have roles within the offense. So UM, listen,

guys get hurt, things change throughout the year. UM, you know, I have no ill wills against Leonard Fourdette at all, wishing the best, hope hope, I hope he has success. Um, but it's gonna be a big change for Leonard because, um, you know one, he's going to a team that's a favorite UH in the NFL with Tom Brady and Gronk and the rest of the you know group that they have UH and that they've brought in UH. To that team. But he's also gonna go to be a role player.

He's not gonna be the franchise back. The offense isn't gonna go around him. Um, and he's gonna have a specific role to play, and he's gonna have to like it's a different It's that's different. He's never experienced that. From the time he's laced him up the first time, I guarantee Leonard Fournette has been the best player when he stepped on the field and he was a focal point of that team from you know, peewee fo ball, the high school football that l s U and then

when he came to the Jackson Jaguars. And this will be a new experience for him. Will he have to play special teams? He might. He might have to play a little special team because if you're not the feature back, I mean, look at backs that are active on game day and they're not the feature back, you're expected to contribute on special teams. So he may end up having

to do that. I also think it's gonna be very interesting to see how Tom Brady and UH and Leonard four Nette mesh because Tom Brady is very no nonsense. He's the team first guy. He's very demanding. Uh, he can be very critical of some of his players, and from what I understand, it takes him a very long time to have trust and guys that are around him. So that will be an interesting watch in Tampa. But I wish him nothing but the best. And it's just a shame that it didn't work out here and work

out better for all parties involved. The NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell's said that he and the Composition Committee agree that there's no competitive advantage if some teams have fans in the stands and others don't logs. Do you agree, No, I don't agree. But but here's the thing, JP. We're

in the middle of a world pandemic. I mean, and you know you're hearing coaches, coaches, and you're hearing some general managers that are out there that are complaining that another team in their division may have an advantage because they're gonna have fans and they're not gonna be able to have fans. I mean, for heaven's sake, can can can we stop complaining about a situation that, look, we nobody has any control over. Let's just be happy and be happy as a coach and be happy as the

general manager that you're gonna be able to play football. Okay, you're gonna be able to pipe in crowd noise. Okay. Do you think fifteen thousand in the in t I Bank Field is going to have that big of an impact on whether you win or lose? I mean, I mean, seriously, I think it's some of the most ridiculous baby whineing stuff that I've heard in a long time from some of these coaches and general managers that are complaining about

competitive advantages. But but look, the fact is that there there is an advantage when you have fans and you don't. But that's just the way it is. So just accept it and let's move one. Yeah, and I agree with about fifty percent of what you said. I mean again, let's get a little perspective, like, are you kidding me? This is what we're gonna complaining about about whether we have fans or not. Let's be happy we're playing football. Um,

I don't think there's any competitive advantage or disadvantage to that. Uh, here's the reality. They're gonna be able to pipe in like eight five ninety decibels of crowd noise whatever it is. UM. By the way, capacity UM fifteen to seventeen thousand fans, whatever the number is. You know, if you have Pittsburgh, I think they're it's fifty eight thousand or whatever. So you're talking that because like eleven or twelve thousand people in that stadium, they can't make that much noise. It

doesn't matter. It's not gonna make one bit of difference whether they are there or you have cardboard board cutouts UM sitting in the stands, because the uh crowd noise that you can pipe in will drown out people in any stadium in this country. Alright. So there you have it.

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Plus package. We have it. UM interesting, which, by the way, I agree with the NFL shutting down. Let me, everyone go vote. Um, I don't know if you need the whole day to go vote. Pretty much, you probably can get that done in a couple of hours, like if everyone just went and did it. But I get I think it's smart. Voting is critical, it's part of our country. You need to go vote for that. But I find it interesting. Um, we'll take the full day off for

the vote. The right move. But every other holiday does not exist in the NFL, Christmas, Thanksgiving, no matter what it is, you're gonna work those days. Maybe, but it's always been like that, so it's funny to me, But it is the right move. You need a highlight voting. Um. I don't know if you need all day, but every player should vote. Every person listen to us should vote. When it comes to who our next leader is going to be, Tony, we'll talk to you next week. Lives

hang on, Doug Moron's killed up for everyone. I'm J P. Shadrick. We'll do it. We'll ask about Ronnie Harrison after this. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.