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off Seattle is a long way from Jackson. You're not doing Thursday that football, Jeff log him in out this week. You're in glad to have you Leon Certy with us as always. What's glad to be here. Always feel very protected at this table today with you two guys here. Get the book. Yeah, he's the side. That's what happened. Sorry, Yeah, that's my bad planning to get to on the show today. Of course, the Panthers Jaguars preview that will come up Sunday one o'clock to kick off time Bank of American

Stadium in Charlotte, North Carolina. His teams are eerily similar coming in containing McCaffrey. Huge key to the game. Of course, can you contain him. Menshumania continues for the Jaguars offense. We'll see if Leonard for Net can keep it up as well, and we'll go around the FC South and the National Football League will pick Thursday Night football coming up as well. Again that you're not doing tonight, so you can will you always pick it anyway, but you

don't know who just not there off. That's okay, Um, this is these teams are really close to the same right now. The quarterback got hurt, backup comes in. They've won two in a row. The running games there all of a sudden for the Jags obviously. The defense is good for both sides. They can get after the quarterback when they when they need to. Um, they're they're kind of set up similar coming in. Well, I mean, you look at Carolina there top five defense right now. The

Jaguars defense is in the bottom right in the middle. Basically, Panthers are number one in sacks. They have eighteen sacks tip for the league. They lead the league in quarterback hits to Their running game has been going pretty much all year because the Christian McCaffrey has been going all here. Their offense goes through McCaffrey. I mean, just follow him around. It's like it ruins me a Pop Warner Leon. I mean, you're the one guy on Pop Warner always get the ball.

Just following him around and that's who's gonna that's where the ball is gonna be. Um. But yeah, backup quarterbacks run game. Yeah, it's similar in a lot of areas. Yeah, it is, especially at the quarterback play. Two young quarterbacks taking care of the football. You've got Alan, he's got in two games, he's got four touchdowns knowing the steps has got one. Eight tem qb are right now taking care of for Minshoe he's got what five touchdowns and that one exception one and say really as his So

essentially he's been taking care of the football as well. Defensively, they both of the teams get off the quarterback. We at Thursday night game, we had nine sacks against the Tennessee Titans. I mean they had six sacks and the team that they played together thing it was the Arizona cart that was where they had six sacks. So plus they lead the NFL and quarterback hits and they got eighteen sacks. Our defense has been stunning, So this is like you know what, it's a mirror image of each

other in this game. It's the marriage and franchises just both both what twenty five years and both franchises right now, So, I mean it's gonna be. And then they're also they've got something going on because this is really there. They've been on the road back to bat so now this is their home game, and they're inducting three, I think three or four guys into the Ring of Honor. So it's gonna be. It's gonna be a lot of noise's up in Carolina come Sunday. Well, they already lost two

at home. I mean they opened the season two straight home games. They lost both. I did the Tampa game Thursday night there in Charlotte, and uh lost the bad game to Tampa. They were it was Cam Newton's last game before they shoved them because he was hurt. Anyway, Oh gosh, it was. He just didn't look right. You watched the tape the first two weeks of that Carolina team, and Cam was not camp. He had negative yards rushing, was widely inaccurate. Was just he was a shell of

himself and it was all Christian McCaffrey. And but they didn't have the passing game to complement it. Kyle comes in. They're better football team with Kyle Owen. Hence the two wins in a row. Because defensively they've been pretty good all year. I think it's a huge test. It's a huge test from standpoint. This is a This is probably the best defensive offenses faced. As far as their front seven. They have two great linebackers and Shaq Thompson and Luke

Keikley Uh and they want they really run well. They're beat up in the secondary a little bit. They got a backup corner and Ross cockroll playing much like jacksonvill is probably gonna be starting tray hearning again because you know back to back days that Jalen has not been out there on the football field so um. But offensively,

it's all about mints humania right now. But I still think the game game is won or loss on the backs of the offensive line and Leonard for this team is at its best when it can run the ball, and that's how they're built. And yes, Minshew allows you to open up and do more things, and he's more accurate and he's very good uh in the pocket and does some really good things but you look at the second half of that Denver game, the change was the fact that they ran the ball that they actually ran.

That's what themselves. Because what else it did is it kept the defense on the sideline. And if you look at it, the defense struggles on Sunday stopping the Broncos. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right absolutely as as a research

on the offensive line. And I don't know what they did that week, whatever they went to a restaurant, whether the food they ate or whatever they congregated together, whatever they did last week, they need another thought of that this week because as good as the Carolina Panthers defense is getting after the pastor in total defense, they had to bottom of this of the of the of the NFL when it comes to stopping the run. So it

plays right into our hands. And the fact that we ran for two sixty nine yards last week against the Broncos. So that offensive line, you know, if they want to win this game, is gonna be one up front. Yeah, just to talk a little bit about with Liam's talking about yeah into the microphone, please give thank you if this is the first I've ever done this. So um, they're giving up a hundred and eight yards on the ground, per excuse me, that's the wrong one. D thirty on

the ground. Leon's in the league defensively and so but they're outstanding against the past, one of the best of the NFL that they are the best in the NFL. So right, and it feeds exactly what we want to do, uh, is run the ball. Because when this team runs the ball and Leonard for that, it's not just the offensive line. Land. I don't know if what you thought about watching the game, but I thought it was the most decisive I've seen

Leonard Fournette run the ball. He made He wasn't pitter pattering. He put his foot in the ground and he got north and south and he played like the power back that he is. And because of that, the Broncos didn't want to tackle them at the end of the game. You gonna watch that take. They wanted no peace between the seventh end of the game. The way he was

running the ball, he looked like a different guy. Yeah, And trust me, it's nothing more demoralizing to a defensive a defense is that when you're going to run the ball and they know you're going to run the ball and they can't do nothing. About it, and that's what that's how offense did. Later in that game, we ran the ball with Leonard and the Broncos knew we want to run the ball, and they had absolutely no answer

for it. And there's nothing more fun as an offensive linement running the ball when you know they can't stop you. They're on skates. Well, you're just leaning on him and you you you sense that you've taken their will from them, and you just look across the line of scrimmage. There's

a couple of things that are happening there. One, you know, you're not in third long, so you're not doing the hardest thing possible as the offensive line, which is blocking uh deep drops along down the field patterns, And you're getting on the line of scrimmage and you're looking across at the defensive guys and they have no hope and they know they can't stop you, and you're just going

downhill on them all day. So let for that. In the locker room today, spoke to the media as he always does on Thursdays, And what happened from the first half of the second half this uh, this offense started to run the ball. They dedicated themselves to it. Here's Leonard. It's not that, you know, I told him, like walking in at the time, I'm like, man, just giving the ball,

you know. My coach told me what I had full I was aving the full yards of carrier, and uh, you can tell it was getting a little tired, you know, coming in to halftime, you know, and uh, trying to give my team that spart'll be the leader that I

am keeping focusing. Yeah, so there you have it. I mean, they were running, like you said, they weren't running a lot, but it was still pretty effective the times they did run it on average just wasn't excuse me, there wasn't much of a rhythm in the first half and so they did have some nice spurts of the run game that they just they weren't on the field as much and it just felt like they got behind the sticks with penalties and mistakes and so they couldn't They never

gotten that rhythm as an offense. And they had the big penalty before UH and the first half tick took seven off the board there to set up for three UH. And we talked about it in the radio booth that and we said it right at kickoff that if this team wanted to win that they had to run it, run it, run it, and that was going to be the difference of the game. And that's what they came

out and did. But yeah, that takes I mean for a play caller down two scores in the second half of a football game, but take some guts to call a run all the time, right, If it doesn't work, you're in trouble. Yeah, well it does take some guess offers a coordinated to stick with the rum. I mean, they won't even go down by eleven, so there's no

reason to abandon the run. So you had to completely had to compliment the pass because if you become a one dimensional end and that stayed in with those pass rushes, then you're putting the tackles at a disadvantage. So exactly, so you got to implement the run game and that's de Filippolo did the outstanding job with that. So a little Armstead in the game to Armstead, and I was glad. I mean, you know a lot of people do ask and why no Armstead? What's you know, what's the reason

of giving Leonard for net all of the reps? When you look at the Tennessee game, he only had five carries in the first half Leonard for that And so you know, if you're Terry Robiskie, the running back coach for the Jaguars, you're not gonna sit there and say I'm taking out our starter when he's not tired. And so it's gonna take It's a volume by four Nette for Armstead to get in the ball game and some long runs. That's what happened. I've liked that Armstead run

the ball, has run the ball since the preseason. I think he's a very decisive north south runner. Um. I think he's a great complimentary back to Leonard four net. I think he has good vision. He uh can cut up in the hole. And I thought he ran the ball very well. Uh just very I mean different, different style, but that uh not the exact success, but not a lot of success like Leonard for net because the season

goes on though the wear and tear. I mean, Leonard has been healthy so far, but he has a track record of not being able to play sixteen games. That changes. That's that would be the whole first off, but if last game too, so it's a lot of has allowed to carry. So he'll probably get another third gear and see how his body handles. And he's been playing i mean pretty much every snap of the year until this

past game. So at some point you need a complimentary back at some point down this season here, I think we knew that. I mean, you knew he wasn't couldn't carry the load. He can't. Mean it sounds like he wants. You want to be a star in the league, you're gonna play football, you know. The other side of that is the Carolina Panthers. Christian McCaffrey plays about of the snaps. He's missed four snaps all year. All year, I mean,

he plays every snap. He's on the field every play, I mean, and the guy is getting a bunch of touches. Um he catches the ball out of the backfield. I mean, he is an all around guy as far as an offensive weapon, and he doesn't come out the field. It goes back to the Poper Warder example. I mean, here's the guy, here's their best player. They're best player on offense is Christian McCaffrey. He's not coming out of the field, and he's getting the ball between runs and catches. He's

gonna have third p plus touches. He's forty five percent of the yardage the Panthers have game this year. Wow, that offense goes where he goes. They don't go without him anywhere anywhere. They go back to the sideline three and out if he's not out out there and doing his thing. So other you have it. Are the Jags Panthers coming up? We'll come back in this moment. We've got a little more on Carolina Jaguars defense talk. We'll

get into Minshu Mani a little bit. Well. I think let's talk about how how do you contains McCaffrey, because I think that's the key that's huge if you're looking at one defensive key to this game is and it's not just saying stop the run because he's dangerous out of the backfield as well as a pass catcher, is how do you slow down twenty two. We'll see if they can. We'll figure it out Coach Basselli and coach Sarcy.

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the Jackson Bille Jaguars. He almost wanted to put like a corner off, you know when you when you look at him, because you know, what's unique about him is that you know, not only he's is he outstanding with the rout tree of the backfield, but he's also standing with the rout tree out of you know, lined up as a receiver. So you know, he's a he's a very very talented player. Um, you know, really can do a lot of things. Uh, They're gonna find ways to

get him the football. We understand that. And we just have to make sure that we have a lot of people around them because you know, he's very difficult to bring down if their space. One on one coach Jack Marone discussing Christian McCaffrey running back Carolina Panthers, Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy ur j P, Shadtrick, Tony was Elli and for Jeff Flogging and Leon Searchy with US eats and every

week Jags Panthers coming up Sunday at one o'clock. Yes, you look at the numbers, Yeah, yeah, you look at the numbers. And Doug was just talking about is McCaffrey leads to their team in rushing for the league four to eleven yards four point eight yards to carry, eighty six rushing attempts, four touchdowns. He also leads their team in receptions with He does not have the most yards, but he has the most receptions averaging eight point seven.

So he is touching the ball. He has touched the ball a hundred eleven times this year for them through four games. That's just touches the game. Now, I might be telling my age a little bit, but he reminds me of a guy that I played against back in

the day, Eric metcalf. Remember Eric mccaltht running back than Oh yeah, yeah, that's what he reminds as be of Eric metcal With the Cleveland Browns, they utilize him the same way, all the back through you know, a little wheel route, so you know, screenplays and all that kind of stuff. This is the same thing they do Carolina does with him. He might be he might be a little he might be a little bit more dynamic and Eric metcal his ability to break tackles and get run

between the tackles. But that's what he reminds me of and the Jaguas, I mean, they've got to have definitely have a game plan for him, or he could definitely put some points when you look at it. I mean him coming coming out of college at the Stanford, the knock on Christian McCaffrey because of his size. He's you know, about tund pounds and they thought he was too slight to run between the tackles. Now he'd be just a third down back. He is an outstanding running back between

the tackles. This is just not a space back who you have to get outside. He runs the inside zone. He'll cut it back in between the tackles. He'll finish with power to run through arm tackles. He's very dynamic, and so how do you stop a guy like this, because it's not just the catches out of the backfield. They'll wind him up as a wide receiver and they did at Stanford, and he plays wide receiver like a

wide receiver, not a running back. He can run all the routes and so the best way to make him ineffective though, is still stopping the run game, because that's what he is. First. If he gets it going on the ground, it makes everything else more dangerous around him. As far as a pass catcher and so it comes back. I mean it's defensive one on one. You gotta stop the run, and this week it's one guy. It's not

running back by committee. Is like, is you know Todd wash and this defensive staff and these defensive players have the I D Number twenty two and say he is not going to get it going in the run game. And then when you then you have a plan for him when he lines up a wide receiver, because I don't think you want to go line up a linebacker against him and man coverage. Now, if you're playing zone, that's fine, but I don't like the matchup of Quincy Williams or Miles Jack one on one and man coverage

on Christian McCaffrey. You have to put a safety on. I think he I don't think the linebackers can keep up with them. You can put even a nickle on and that's how good. Yeah, And the defensive got tackle well too, because in space, I mean, he gets a lot of a lot of his jobs in space where you miss tackles on them. So the defense has got to wrap up well this week against him because he gonna make you miss an open space. That's it. Man, I mean, that's all you gotta do against this guy

in the world. The other thing is like hitting the quarterbacks a good thing. So that's the other part of this thing. Kyle Allen, Uh, you know, the last two games, he's won two games for him and he just had help from McCaffrey do it all that. But how has Allen played well? Sir said it. He was right. He's been efficient in the passing game, four touchdowns, no interceptions, but his ball security in the pocket last week was atrocious.

He fumbled at three times, lost all three fumbles. The game would not have been as close with the Texans if he didn't do that. And so if you get to him, he holds the ball a little bit loose. I think you can have some opportunities that they kno gonna free. The Texans did it by getting to him and hitting him around a little bit. But you know what you see from his ability to make decisions and not throw the ball into harm's way and very accurate. He gets it out on time more times than not.

He was outstanding. It's Arizona. I mean, you can see the numbers if you're watching on Facebook Live. You know, n four touchdowns, you know, high percentage of completions, very accurate and uh it's you know, North Turner, the long time football coach, been a head coach at offensive coordinator, coach Super Bowl teams and Dallas as a coordinator is you know, it's a West Coast type of offense. Get the ball the quarterback's hand quickly, efficient. They weren't doing that.

They weren't doing that with Cam Newton. With Kyle Allen, he throws it on time and he's much more accurate and gets the ball into his playmaker's hands. He's been very good the first two weeks outside of the fumbles. So the kim is totally different field. And look when he's in there. Well, Cam is not healthy. I mean, this kid is healthy. I mean, like like Tony, you talked about it in the North Turnto the West Coast offense. It's all about efficiency, getting rid of the football and

taking care of the football. What you didn't do well, which might play into our advantage this game. If we can get up the field and get some strip sacks on us, you know, if he's not if he's not taking care of the football as well, So I mean, I might play into our advantage. But the kid's been doing so good so far, and the last two games he's got four yards knowing the steps, got a couple of turnovers. But you know, we gotta get after him. But to your point JP about Cam Newton, cam Newton

is only effective. He can be Cam Newton the physical football player. He's gonna be able to run. He's not. I don't think Cam Newton can play the game from the pocket like a traditional He's never been that. He wasn't not in college. He's a freakish athlete. Um. And with the foot sprain, I actually personally think, you know, he's vegan now lost some weight. We can all get that all, you know. I mean, there's an article. There's

a big article. This is a big article in the Charlotte Observer about him being vegan and how the body doesn't he loves well because of the lack of protein. I'm not a dietitian and all the people who are vegan are yelling at me right now. Um, but he doesn't look the same like even like body type. He looks slighter. Um. He's injured, and so Cam Newton. For them to play the type of football with him, he has to be a physical presence, and he wasn't. I

think they're better with Kyle Allen. If you're gonna play this traditional sit in the pocket, be efficient, be accurate, and uh, let the offense run through your playmakers instead of running through Cam Newton quarterback. That's gonna be an interesting That's the same topic that we hope happens here. You hope this team plays well and then you have the quarterback question when everybody's healthy again. But Caroline is a little different because it's been Cam's team for eight

years or whatever long he's been in the league. Now, well he's he's the franchise guy. It's not it's different in the sense of, you know, Nick Foles just got here. The organization paid him a ton of money. But Mitch, you just got here too, That what I'm saying. And so you know, there's eleven plays of the Nick Foles era and the jacksonvill Jaguars history. There's eight or nine years of Cam Newton, the Super Bowl, the face of

that franchise. It's gonna bees it's gonna be interesting. I mean, we'll see, you know, he's not playing us this week, so we don't care, but it'll be interesting to follow from a distance what they do with Cam Newton and how long that injury takes from the hell yeah, and if and here's the thing, if Cam Newton is the franchise quarterback for the future. Uh, sometimes as football players, you gotta protect us from ourselves. And Cam's injury may

take a little heller. Let the young kid. If the young kids beneficient taking care of the football, and it's when you're a couple of games, let Cam get that rest that he needs the rest, because if you were rush them back and he comes back and he re injures himself, then you know you don't want that, especially if he's your franchise quarterback moving forward. We got a touch on the jail. Ramsey think he's on the injury

port today. Did not practice again today with the back issue, and Dug Marone said earlier this week it was gonna be a day to day to see if he's ready to go on Sunday. But as it would stand right now, I don't think he's gonna go on Sunday. Just hasn't been on the practice field yet this week. Well, he hasn't been on the price for two weeks now. He's back, I mean it well, what are you gonna say. I mean,

there's nothing for us to say. He's not playing, and all we know is that it's because of the back. We don't know how the severity of it. We don't know. Uh, you know what is the real issue with the back? You know? Is it just muscle? Is there this? I mean, we we have no idea, So to even speculate how long this is gonna take is pointless in my opinion and the way I look at it, he's not playing this week, but I've seen that. I would just roll with Tray Herndon, go out and play. You played, guys

why they're playing? You know, you know you can't. I mean if the back is first of all, back is hard to diagnose. You don't know what it is lower limb. I don't know the specifics, doctor Cercy. But there's so many factories they into the back, you know, the muscle, they help the glue. I don't know whether ye, well, yeah, my back has been hurt, hurt for eleven years. I had a backfot eleving years. I'm just saying it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah, you can only put you

can only go with the guys who playing. Yeah, that's right, But how do you get a herd and coached up and going how how you know it seemed like they were picking on a little bit last week. Yeah, I mean he had a couple of days. Yeah, I mean, I think it's fair, and I think it's always dangerous for us to make assumptions exactly who's at fault, because especially, you know, because we don't know the coverages. Like I thought, on one of the touchdowns, he's playing outside leverage. It's

a in cutting slant. It almost looks like he's expecting underneath help it's not there. You know. Another time it looked like he was clearly him. You know, obviously the one on one that was a great move by Emmanuel Sanders and by the way, Joe Fla, who had six seconds back, there was a long developing route. And so you know, the thing that we do in the media and the fans, we assume that Jalen Ramsey is gonna

make those plays that like it's all Trey Herndon. Well, I'll just remind everyone on Thursday night, on a couple of drives, it wasn't like Mariota was shying away from Jalen side of the field. They went right at him, and Corey Davis was making play and and so I'm not like, obviously, I think Jalen is a better player than Trey Herndon, and that's why he was starting. We want Jalen out there. I just think it's unfair to make the assumption, Oh, well, Jalen would have made all

those plays. Well, let's figure out what the coverage is, and that's accurate. But if Herndon is over there, rolled the safety, I'm just being rolled the safety. He's gonna need some help. I'm not disagree with you, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I know we just like all of a sudden, Yeah we don't know that, we don't know the coverage and was gonna make all those exactly. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. But you

know they're going to pick on the way. They know that Ramsey's not there, so her and this guy to expect that. So at some particular point in the defense, you're gonna have to roll the coverage over there to help him. And then boy, he's gotta you know, be the man on his side and then get her in a little bit of help on his side and just or just play more his own. Oh yeah, you gonna

pay me, you don't play more his own. We got it all figured out that I knew the coaches would figure out Lean and I and the booth we got. We'll get him right. We're figuring it out. Yeah, we got it all done. I mean, if Todd Wash wants to spend some time with us afterwards, we're free. We're going to White Boy. We'll figure it out. I'll talk to Doug. Yeah, we Doug Marrown coming in, Dug Morrown Show coming out. Pass some notes as well. We're back in a moment. Ashley Sullivan has a new whose update

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Jack's Village dot com. Jack's Village dot com. Welcome back to jag papy Art through Jaguars Digital Update. I'm Ashland Sullivan J Jalen Ramsey did not practice today and still unsure if he will play on Sunday TVD on that with Friday's injury report. One guy who did practice and is playing well is our gardner Minshew so much show that dog your own went on Good Morning Football and congratulated him. This way take for you to wear one of the Minshew mustaches after a win? What would that take?

You know? So funny? Someone asked me that I can never grow mustache because I couldn't never grow hair right here in the middle. Um never. I tried to my senior year in college. Didn't work well. It was too cheesy. Um, you know what's gonna take. If he keeps winning, I'll wear whatever I have to wear. I'll start wearing a mustache. And I know you got the team storts. Come on,

you already got the j sworts. I gotta tell you the other day after the games over I'm walking to do the press conference that I looked down as a jock trap. I haven't seen a jockstrap on the floor, and who the hell jockstrap? And I'm like, oh my god, is this that kid's jockstrap? This is nasty with someone for the away. You know crazy, that's just starting quarterback Dugg. So I'll leave Leon, Tony and JP to talk about

that one with Doug Brown. Coming up next on The dun Room Show, celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. Much Down X five James George S fifth rushing touchdown of the least seven. Welcome back to Jaguars Happy Hour. Here's your host, j P. Shadrick. That's me, Welcome back Jaguars Happy Hour, j P. Shadrick, Tony Celluli, I'm sarc I just said that. They just told you. I'm just making sure everybody knew you didn't say twice. That's me.

No one cares. Coming up a Dailies place. Zach Brown Band October seventeenth, Chicago, October eighteen, Young Thug Machine Gun Kelly October nineteen Tickets at Daily's Place dot Com. There I'm gonna go see Zack and Young Yeah, you absolutely, let's do it. I've never been a daily splace. I went to. Oh you went to see young Man? How you go see Young West? It was great, see your street creates up. It was awesome. Nowhere to go butt up? Okay? At Young Wheezis concert. The base was so strong it

was shaking my insts. Really, Oh, it was out of control. That's what I'm talking about. Great show. I don't know it's coming up, young Thug, but I like those shows like Wheezy. I knew some of the songs, obviously because he's been around longer. The shows. It's just the show, the energy these guys have unbelievable, out of control. I could picture you two guys on one of the couches down there. Get some couches for just I gotta remember that young thug problems. My kids want to go, I'm

not sure. Let's see, I've already been bounced from the couch. I want you to go. I'm going. I don't want to go with my teenage daughters the young thug. Okay, no, we don't do that. We figure that one. Get a little tit, you get a couple of weeks. I'm much rather go with you. Yes, my girls, but not the young were during Ashwood's update there Doug Morone on Good Morning Football, and the Menshu mania is out there, of course, the drop strap stories and the mustaches and the band

and Dana's and the whole deal. Well, Gardner Minshew himself was asked about it. How does he compartmentalize the mania from the football. Yeah, I mean you can't help but notice it, but you just try to. I mean, that's what it is outside. You know, it's not in this building and don't have anything to do with what we do out there. Um, so I just try to keep it there and um, you know, not not worry about it once foot all time. Yeah, once football time comes.

He seems to be pretty much locked in here. Guys, Well, listen the guy, the composure he has, his obvious from just watching him play football. We can say that since the preseason has played out so far this year, and so you would think that would carry over to just his how he acts as a person. I mean I don't think much bothers this guy, and he's been able to come, you know, handle the situation very well, compartmentalized. Like you've said, you know, when did worry about what?

And this guy's about ball. He loves football. I mean if you just go back to his story, what he what he went through to play Division one football and the path he took. I mean, you don't take that path unless you love ball. And he loves ball, so I think he's done a good job with it. The

interesting thing is everything's going his way right now. Yeah, and what will be what I'm fascinated to see And I think I know the answer this, but you don't know what happens when the adversity comes, because adversity comes to every team, every player. It's just part of the NFL sixteen games, long season. And you saw a little bit of it in this Bronco game when they started

really slow. He was four for ten, I think or four for nine, and he handled that situation great and they get down and he handled the two minute drive like a veteran guy. So each of these tests he kind of overcomes. And I'm gonna ask Doug about this when he comes in, is last year's team didn't overcome adversity very well. This team and what they did against the Broncos, the adversity they faced, being down seventeen three, seventeen six going the halftime and they come back and

play their way they did was a great sign. And it would be interesting to hear what's different and is it because of how the quarterback handles himself, Because you haven't had leon don't know about you. But this is the first time in years that when we went back on for the two minute drive, I actually thought like, he's gonna probably put us in fieldal range. We're gonna have a a chance to win this. I haven't felt like that in a long time. No, not exactly. I listened.

I was at the watch party last week when we were watching the game. We got down, you know, seventeen to six, came back in the third coil, and then had that ten minute drive where we just took up all, you know, just sucked up all the air out of the Denver Broncos defense when we had the tim in the drive, and then the Broncos went down and scored again.

And I remember the atmosphere inside that watch room was like, Oh, here we go again, because it was like he got the same old jag walls can't finish the football game. And I was sitting there, I was only I was the only person of reasoning there. I was like, but whatever reason, I just believe Gardener Minshew was going to carry us down to get us a field well position with a minute thirty two seconds. And he did it. And he did that, he made the necessary passes. He's

stuck in the pocket. He was getting hit all day, gave up five secont probably got hit twelve times during the game of twelve times in the game. But whatever that kid has, I don't know what it is, called it, misshumania, moxie, cockiness, confidence, whatever it is. But he's just a baller. He's just a baller right now. He enjoys the game of football. The moment is never too big for him, and he

showed it last week. So I mean, I just I knew in my mind he was gonna take us down there and get us a field goal position to kick the winning score. And the next test would be the diversity for him personally, because he hasn't had it really yet where he's made that throw where it's just awful, where it's just a terrible pick. All quarterbacks do that, and how they rebound from that, and so he hasn't had that yet, and I hope he doesn't have it this week or the next week. It never happens, but

you know, sooner or later. I mean, the greatest of all time, the Peyton Mannings and Tom Brady's, they get they make mistakes and it's how you respond. So he's past every test so far, and for a rookie to do that is remarkable. I can't think of a rookie quarterback like rookies and other positions. Frankly, you can do that like workie offense alignment. I mean, both Ley and I did it. You go out there, it's football like

they're better. You go play and like every other position is a little bit different, quarterbacks unique because every play everyone's and you have the most responsibility. You're leading the team in and out the huddle, You're making calls at the line of scrimmage. You're in the pocket, defenseless. You're the only player that's not aggressively trying to do something one on one to protect yourself or go be physical.

You're sitting there trusting other people. So it's such a new, unique position and a lot of times you guys struggle with that just from the fact of being comfortable in the pocket and comfortable trusting everything else. And he's can natural at it. So it's it's another thing is I've been in a lot of huddles, you know, I've been

in the huddles with you know, Mark Bronell. You as a quarterback, you've got to believe that the guys in the huddle, the quarterback could lead you to the promised Land. You know what I'm saying, you can't. It's no faking that. When they say faking the phone, you can't fake the phone. Like when Mark, we know we know, because we know, we know. I listen. I tell people that all everything

I tell them. In where we were in Denver in the playoffs against the Broncos and we needed to drive to kind of seal the deal, Mark Mark Burkewell comes in and said, Okay, because we've been here before, let's do it. That right there sends a message to your whole the whole huddle that we're going to get it done. And I don't know what Gardner Minshu was saying in that huddle, but whatever he's saying, he's those guys in

that huddle believe in him. Because I've been in some huddles where guys talk to talk and them like man whatever. And that's you know what I'm saying. I've been in Pittsburgh and I'm not gonna saying that by his name, but in Pittsburgh, I wasn't the huddle with a certain player and when he talked to talk and I'm like, okay, bur whatever, well, I mean, we named names of the show. Okay, it was o'donnald, it was o'donna, it was o'donald after he threw the first pick. He threw the second pick.

I didn't want to hear that, Mats. Okay, So so it was o'donald in the Super Bowl. Okay, so all right, but you know, yeah, guys know, but like Leon's right, like Le and I have been on the same model, like you have the backup in there, like I remember in nine markets are Rob Johnson comes in like like okay,

we're good. Then he got hurt and Steve whatever Marshall or whatever is thatth like he came in and we're looking around like okay, we gotta play like better, like we gotta do everything like skill guys like because perfect he can't do it by himself. And you just see that. I mean, nothing gets Steve Matthews. He won the football games for us. We beat the Giants with him. But it's a different feeling when you sit as an offensive linement, at least when you know the guy back there, like Okay,

we're good, we're gonna play. He didn't take care of his business compared to the other. We're like, you better do a little bit extra here. Confidence on the field one thing. Uh, it's a little different for the play caller too. Can the play caller trust the quarterback? John d. Filippo thinks, so, it's a fine line still, you know, four games into his rookie season. Um, but he's earning

our trust. There's no doubt. And and you know, the more he goes out there and and does the right thing and and throws the ball on time accurately, uh, and not turning the ball over, you can continue to give a rookie more on his plate for sure. And he went on later to talk about a situation where I think on the long run they there was a at the line he made a check basically killed one

of the plays. They had two plays in the line, there was a look, they killed it, They went to the run, went for the eighty one yarder, And it seemed like he was very comfortable in that situation, just calling plays and getting out of us situation. And if the coordinator trusts that guy to do it, that's a big thing. You know. Yeah, when Tony and I play, it was called what check with me? So the quarterback.

He had two plays. It was a run play in the past play and depending on what the defense gave you, wherever the safety were aligned or wherever they shifted or whatever. The quarterback, what it was initially was called a pass and then he said check with me, check with me, and he'll make a run call. So that seems to be what MISSU did in this situation where he saw an opportunity to run the ball effectively, so he checked to us. So that, you know, that's cool those to him.

I mean the kid, I mean, the dudes got a forty two on the wonder luck. Yeah, I mean that's only one lesson I got. I mean, so really you've trumped him. Yeah, you know, but um, the cats barely the cats smart. Um, his study habits are already known, I mean from training camp, of his comprehension of the playbook and what he's able to absorb and then take from the me eating room to the field, and then

the performance is just adding to it. So I think what John D. Philippo saying is like, yeah, like, I'm not sure if they trust him like a five year vet, but they're trusting him. But he's done everything else they're giving him the latitude to change plays at the line of scrimmage. You don't give a lot of rookies that latitude the key to the mint. Don't give to me

the rookies keys to the mint. The other part of the thing, too, is that you know, one of the knocks on him coming in was his perceived lack of arm strength. Have you seen that yet? Well, he's made all the throws so far from what we've seen, and we haven't seen him make every throw like like the

one on the last tievable. He's throwing the outs and he's driving the ball, I think the only one and maybe we've seen it, but it doesn't come to mind anyone in particular throw is the is the deep end the dig route that eighteen yard in we have to drive it over the middle field. Maybe he has, but he's thrown the deep balls. He's throwing the over route. Uh, he's on the deep outs. He's still the comebacks, and there's plenty of zip on him. But here's the thing.

Anyone will tell you, any quarterback will tell you arm strength is great, but it's about knowing where they go with the ball. He does, it's about timing he gets it out on time, and it's about accuracy. He puts it on the numbers more times than not. So you have those three things. Like, let me tell you what. Drew Brees didn't have the strongest arm. It's gotten stronger over the years. Peyton at the end, Peyton Manning didn't have the strongest arm. Tom Brady when he first game

in the league, it didn't have the strongest arm. He's built it up where it's stronger. It's a good strong arm now and so but it's the accuracy in the timing that's more important than anything, and he has those things. Awesome, Let's come back. We'll go round the National Football the AFC South. We'll touch on some big games in the division. This week the Jacks would be in the first place alone after this week. In theory, we'll go through all

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What we're using? No, No, I gotta I gotta make a note not to watch the TV while I'm doing the radio, because it looks like I got like tin cameras on there, like I'm swollow on TV. I loove what's wrong? I look a little bigger than that should be. What do you mean? Well, I mean you've been in the weight room. Le What are you talking about? I don't think he's talking about that area exactly. Thank you, thank thank you to you know what I'm saying. No, that's why you know what I did. I just pull

the shirt out. I try to wear bigger shirt. I'll try to try to wear a bigger shirt. Otherwise it's like certain creases that get shown. I don't want to exactly welcome to our world. On um, that's what we have to deal with HERU here felt feel the Jackson field pretty good about themselves. Are right down to and two records. We look at the ANFC South standings and of course across the board it's two and two all the way down. The Jackson officially are in third in

the division because of the division loss. Houston, Indy only have one game played they've won it um and then of course this week the games in the a f C South. You know, if you if you're an optimist, if your glass is half full, then you're thinking, hey, wait, wait a minute. The Jags, if everything goes right, they could be in first place alone. They're playing the Panthers. Tough game, road game. Panthers are good, get that. But the Falcons could go into Houston and they could though

could but they're not. But they could. I mean, I'll just sound like it's gonna be. It's not like the Dolphins going into Hut. Let me tell you what's gonna happened right here. The Jags are winning. I've already said that we're gonna be three and two. The Texans are winning. They're gonna meet the Falcons. They'll be three and two. Okay, the Bills are at the Titans. I like the Titans in this game. The Titans gonna be three and two, and the Culture gonna lose to the Chiefs. There'll be two.

And that's how it's gonna work. Outs going to get work. Yeah, that's it. So we'll be tied for first still at three and two, which is fine. Um, I don't really care what the other teams do right now because it's such a long, uh season. We're gonna play them all. We're gonna play the Colts twice. Go win all the division games. You're gonna win, and you're gonna be in perfect position at the end of the season. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I guess our division we got a punch

of chance against any of them. We should have beat the Texans. We beat the Titans, Yeah, then we we gotta we can beat the Coats and go from there. See what happens. You don't think the Falcons can go beat these They still got they still got receivers in a quarterback. Did you watch last receivers and quarterbacks not be on the get in the end zone. Matt Ryan's like the worst red zone quarterback in the last two years. And their offenses on strike whatever reason, point strike, they

get yards. So the Colts don't have a chance in Na Sunday Night football. Now the Bills can beat the Titans. But I just I like the Titans in that game. Back. Yeah, I think he's a good player. Good player, plays nasty. He would have fit in with our group, good player with your group. He's a tough player, he plays physical. I like him, I really do. I hate I mean, I hate the Titans, but I like the one. I mean, you watch football, watch how the kid plays. He's a

good football player. Let's touch on a couple of topics around the league. Dante's berfix suspended the rest of the season for hit Sunday on the Occults tight end Jack Doyle, but it was the patitive behavior the reason behind that suspension. He went to England with the team because the Raiders flew right after the game, but he had to fly back. The appeals coming tuesday. Derek Brooks will hear the appeal. He's jointly appointed by the league and the players Association.

Well this stand up, do you think? No, I don't think they're gonna give him the rest of the I think Derek Brooks will listen to the people, probably come back with like eight games, maybe ten, and this will be I think what they're gonna say is like, listen, this is it. You get suspended again. It's gonna be it's gonna be sixteen games. Yeah, yeah, he's yeah, he's on this last layer. But I think Derek Brooks will come back and reduced it a few games. That's typically

what happens in these situations. I mean, listen, he got suspended for the season because of his resume. That's a lot to do with all the stuff that he had done before it was the first time offender. No, he would have had. But he'll probably getting reduced. He probably getting reduced to six to eight games, but if he does anything else after this, he'll probably get suspended. For you. So I'm not hearing until Tuesday. That's right. You know.

It should be like baseball though, if you appeal it, you should be able to play while you appealing, because what if they come back and say, we're not gonna suspend you for any game, which isn't gonna happen, but you should be all the uh, if the appeal is going on, you should be able to play or four the NFL. Here it quicker, right, that's I agree with it. I agree with me. That's the point of it. Appeal Like if you get so does he lose a check? Is the question? Yeah? Oh he los a check? Yeah,

oh no, that can't work like that. You should be play and then they make the decision afterwards. But now he gotta lose a check. Can't mess with a man in his money. Cardinals owner Bill Bidwell passed away he was eight eight years old. He became the sole owner of the Cardinals in nineteen seventy two. Most famous uh in St. Louis for moving the Cardinals from St. Louis Arizona. Yeah.

For a long time, you know, he had such a bad reputation as an owner, but you look what he's done in Arizona and kind of the success they've had, and it seems like a good franchise and stable and and I think his son Michael Bidwell runs the team now. Uh and that has for a while. So thought sprayers out to the Bidwell family and a long time uh uh leader in the NFL passed away new stadium few years ago, a bunch of Super Bowls. Yeah, I think. I mean it's in the old stadium and the new one.

You have the reputation forever was such a bad franchise when they moved, But it seems like things change once they got the Arizona Alright, Thursday night football tonight, the Rams at three and one and the Seahawks at three and one. No dramatic intro like on Monday Night. There's no music. There's no not there no music. You know, it's just it's Los Angeles Rams. Are they real or not? We'll find out tonight. In the noise of Century leak

Field of Seattle, Washington. The Emerald City, you see, that's what they're called, Seattle, the Emerald City, the three and one Seattle Seahawks away trying to help you. Who you got? I just did it off the cup. You get to the Emerald City and there's been like some dramatic pause, boss, But I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go Seattle because

I think that Rams defense has issues. It's a tough place to play, and Russell Wilson's playing the best football of his career right now, A hundred and eighteen passer Rader pretty good. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say the Rams gonna lose two in a row, and I'm gonna say the find a way to win. What do you think? Yeah, I'm going with the twelfth Man in this way, Xy said, Russell West was playing something this best football, and golf is struggling. He's struggling. How in the heck did they

give up fifty five last week the Tampa Bayer. They had a defensive touchdown that's one one, it's six points. I think they had a couple of golf through like three picks and had two fumbles something terrible. Was a disaster the whole thing with short fields, and they might be reconsidering that extension. He just said, you can't mess up the man's money. I'm just saying, listen, what happened changed that quick On the other side, depends on the situation.

He went the management side real quick, Jack's Panthers coming up. You guys, feel good about this game. I told you I locked it twenty and seventeen, three and two seventeen, Okay, I got Jaguars. M I like that. Three and two coming back to for the New Orleans Saints in two weeks now, Leen, we'll talk to you on Sunday. You got it unserasy with us, Tony, You and I are

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