Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, October 17

on the table. I had one bite. How many do you have? Zero? You didn't have any? Last? Too bad? I mean the last one. You're eating them all. I got the last. That's too bad. You treat me right. I might give you a little crumb. Maybe we'll see how this show two. Here you go. Hey, By the way, I got it real quick. I gotta I gotta admit something here and I did it earlier in a week, but I must do it again. The Hurricanes were We're

really good last Friday night. And as promised, Leon Searously is gonna get a bottle of booze from me, beautiful and uh I set it before. I just want to admit it again. The Hurricanes were better, much better than the Cavalier's Boy. That was evident on the TV screen. So you're saying that, I mean, that's fine, but I appreciate the bullet bourbon though You're you will be very welcome appreciate. I'm hoping Callis has forgot that I gotta wear a you shirt tonight for Jaguars all the television.

I will follow him to make sure. I'm hoping he forgot writing checks to your can't cash. If he gives me one of his shirts, it's not gonna fits true. That's true. Here's where here's what's coming up on the show. Of course Ramsey reaction. Well, who here from some of the guys in the locker room and get some statements from the owner and the e v P of Football Ops. The Jaguars offense. Can they bounce back defensive takeaways? They didn't have any last week? They only have one on

defense all year. An FC South Preview and Thursday Night Football. That's all coming up. Let's get to the reaction after the trade of Jalen Ramsey to the Los Angeles Rams. The locker room open yesterday for the first time since then. Miles Jack had a few things to say. I was getting the massage watching Black Mirror, and uh, the notification came up on my phone. I thought it was a joke and then I like went through Twitter and saying it was for real, and like me, I wouldn't to

have like happy about it because that's my teammate. Like I feel like Jayalen is one of the better defense as the players in the league, if not in the league. So um, I definitely love playing with them. But um, yeah, I wish him nothing but the best. But I didn't want it. I didn't want to see him go. Now let's here, let's keep it on the defensive side. A J. Boyer the cornerback on the other side. He's really now the only player left that started in the seen and

the secondary. I got the news last night. I texted him immediately. You know, um, you know you wish that he was still here, but it's a great opportunity for him as an individual. So um, you know, I wish him nothing but the best. I told him that. You know, he wished the best for me too, So you know, I'm still the last one here from seventeen me and uh dub so, uh, you know, we just gotta keep pushing forward. Dubble is Jared Wilson, who's now starting for

the Jaguars. But those the only two guys left in the secondary. So there's a lot of that kind of tone in the locker room. Nobody came out and bashed Jalen. It was all kind of moving ahead and glad for him, and now you can move forward as a team. What do you think bellis, Uh, you can do his laugh Huh. Well, I think I think a lot of the players are are glad that that it's over with and probably don't

feel any need to take part in shots. I think one of the disappointing things that you hear, you know, Miles Jack and maybe he's just being nice, but he's talking about you know, a teammate of mine. Uh, you know, I hate to see him go. Well, I hate to see teammates not want to play because of some type

of disrespect from an executive level employee. And and I was preparing for this game this week and I came across a quote by B. W. Webb, who happens to be the starting nickelback for the Cincinnati Bengals, who broke his arm in Week two, missed the following week and then came right back and started playing with a cast on his arm. And he said this, I'm counting on them, talking about his teammates, I'm counting on them just like they're counting on me. It's a no brainer that I

should play. It's a little different then what we've heard around here. Yeah, it's a little different here. Here's the truth about You're crazy if you think that those guys in the locker room didn't know what Jenny wanted to get about. Here. Guys in the locker room talk. We're not talking a lot. You may not talk in the locker room, but outside the locker room. It had to be some merit that Jayalen was telling somebody on this

team that he was trying to get up out of here. Now, the method in which he used to get up out of here he probably didn't display. But when that confrontation with Tom Coughland happened, Allegedly after Houston, Jalen talked to somebody on that team. He's like, hey, bro, I gotta get up out of here. And it was told he was said it had to be said, and whatever tactics was he deemed necessary to use, he used them. And he saw him in the presser today with the Los

Angeles Rams, and they asked him, how's the back? Do you think you're gonna play Sunday? And what did he say? He sounds feeling my back is feeling good. You know, I might you know, Mike, I'm you know, I'm you know, I'm not saying verbatim. What if there's paraphrases, but he said, my back is feeling good. You know, we'll we'll see, if you know, if I'm able to play on Sunday. He's playing on Sunday. Of course he's playing on Sunday. I listen. I I had a profound respect for Jalen's

ability on the football field. I mean, I think he's an outstanding corner. I think it's a generational corner. But his antics as a player or as a teammate suck. That's just the bottom line. It sucks. You can say what you want to say. He played this organization, he played this city, he's paid, he played this fan base. He did what he deemed necessary to get out of Jacksonville.

He got his wish. But I think you know one thing. Look, Leon and Leon and I have been in lock room for we're reaching there for a decade and we always kind of had a philosophy that there is a time for business, and that time for business is when the season ends until the season starts, you know. And I'm talking like, Look, business can even be conducted sometimes in training camp, can be conducted in mini camp, you know, if it's God chooses not to show up. We've seen

that a lot. That's all okay, and that's then that's fair. But once you get in the regular season, if I were to do that, now I'm on Leon's time, okay, And I'm not gonna I'm not gonna play games on Leon's time because that affects him. That affects his ability to be the best that he can be. It affects the ability for him to be the best earner that he can be because of my actions. And so if Jalen didn't lose respect in that locker room, then there's

a problem in the locker room down the hall. So I would say that, Um, I'm glad that he's that he's that he's gone. I hate to see because Leon is right, he's a great player, and you cannot replace great players just Willie Milly easily, it doesn't happen. But you also can't sit back, and you couldn't sit back and deal with somebody who was jaking an injury because that's the fact. And how do you say that, Well, that's a fact. Well, look, Duckron came out to day

I was talked about, well General was injured. Well, okay, are the Los Angeles Rams gonna give up two first and a fourth for a guy that has a back issue? No? No, no, no, they're with a back injury. So the fact that the trade was executed and he passes a physical essentially says he was faking the back injury. And in thirty one years that I've been around the National Football League, been directly involved in the National Football League, I've never seen

anything like it, not not to get traded. Now. When I first came into my rookie year with the Pittsburgh Stills, because our training camps were a lot different back then than they are now, veteran guys would tell me how to get out of day or practice just a day, practice, two days full, get where it would They pulled back because the back is hard to God knows, you know, sore bad spasman back just to get a day off,

but not to get a trade. I mean, I mean this was day by day, back back back, miss what two games, three games, three games to get your way and you left your teammates out to drive. Because I'm not saying that if Jayda Ramsey had played in the end of those games it would have been a difference, but it showed them. Well, sure it would have helped, you know, That's all I'm saying. And then it sounds

like it might not stop here either. If you're here here, d n Sanders comments the day after the trade, and he might not stop. Well, Dion basically he said that he won't last more than about a year in l A because of the state taxes, and he took a pay cut going to l A. I mean the STADIU income tax, and uh, the cost of living increase is

going to be significant. So the point is if they think this kind of talk and the way they've gone about the business here is gonna stop just because there's a new environment, I don't think it's gonna stop because there's a new environment. Whether that's a healthy price to pay by the Rams if they don't give this to them, get him a long term deal. To give up two ones and a four four kids is not going to sign. I mean, who's who's the GM out there? That wouldn't

make any sense. I would imagine that some of those parameters have been discussed with Jaalen and his camp. They would have to be I would assume, But I think I think my concern. First of all, if I was a general manager, which I'm not, but if I was, if I slept at a certain motel hotel and then woke up and I'm a general manager tomorrow, I would not trade for a jail own Ramsey. I wouldn't do it because what's what's to prevent him from two years

from now saying you give him a new deal. Now, two years from now, something happens to him that he doesn't like, and then all of a sudden, he said, you know, I want out. Where were you at? Where you're at, You're you're with without a player that uh, maybe a generational player, but he's got to want to play to be a generational player. And then I'm all of a sudden, as a general manager, I will be out two first round picks in the fourth round pick do what do I want to put that at risk?

Am I arrogant enough to think that I can I can make this environment better to where General Ramsey won't do that? I mean, to me, that's kind of arrogant to assume that you can make this place better that he won't do that, And I, to me, I just I wouldn't have done it. And he has a history. Yeah, I would have done it. He could be a repeat history if he doesn't get his way at the same way two years for now, you know, it's to me, that's ah, it's good for the Jaguars, though, I mean

good for the Jaguars. Good job by Dave Caldwell of getting a first in and then the first and a fourth. I I'm surprised that I'm first of all, I'm not surprised, but I am surprised at the end because we're not talking about a player who who they just decided to trade. I mean, you're talking about a disgruntled player who is faking an injury essentially to not play because he wanted to be traded. And I'm surprised at the willingness for a trade partner to give to that level for a

player that has that going on. Uh. I thought that what with what Jalen was pulling, that it would affect the value to work a deal out like that, And maybe it did. Maybe the maybe the value would have been higher if he wasn't doing what he was doing and if he liked played over the last three games and was playing well, maybe they get a first in the first and a second. I don't know. I mean, I don't know the answer to that, but kudos to

to Dave Caldwell for we're getting that trade. I think it's a good deal for the Jaguars and and certainly it's it's always good for the Jaguars just to get a player out of here who doesn't want to be here, and then to be able to receive something on the back end of that, I think makes it even sweeter. All Right, So it is done. Jaylor Ramsey has gone. The Jags have draft picks coming in the next two drafts as payment for that, and now they've got to

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let it come pound into the next week. That's the biggest thing as a quarterback in this league, as a coaching this league, you have to have short term memory. If you don't have short term memory, you're not gonna last long in this league. So that's been my thing with Gardner this week and myself and we've kind of teams up together this week to have short term memory

to move on and go play well against Cincinnati. John D. Flippo, offensive coordinator today discussing the bounce back for the quarterback and the offense from a week ago. Welcome back, Jaguars Happy r J P. Shatrick Lee on Serci Jeff Logaman, the Jags and the Bengals coming up, and Yeah, the

Jaguars offense struggled last week. They had a lot of early three and ounce sakash In a couple field goals, couldn't get in the end zone, and Gardner Minshew had his worst outing so far as the starting quarterback for the Jacksonville Jaguars. The question now is how can Gardner meant you the second bounce back we heard from the

quarterback this week? Just seeing new looks every week. It's only been like, what six games so far, so each team presents new coverages, new challenges, um different ways they're gonna attack us, you know, in different ways we're gonna have to attack them. So it's it's definitely learning each week and uh, you know, hope to learn every game I play from you know here to the end. Yeah, new looks a lot of these weeks. What did the Saints show him last week that he had not seen?

And what can we expect from the Bengals who have struggled on the defensive side, well coverage wire as they saw a lot of two men, which it's it's something that they've seen before, but I don't think it was something that they saw with the regularity that they did

against the Saints. And also that was something that the Saints didn't play a lot of to be honest with you, as as a team, and one of the reasons that that was allowable or that the Saints were able to do that is the average distance to go on third down for the Jaguars was like seven point four yards, So average on third down is like three point seven yards a clip. So when a defense gets to three to third down in seven yards to go, it gives

them a lot of flexibility to do certain things. In first and foremost, that allows them to play Cover two and any form of Cover two, which is essentially is a past defense and it is a run deficient defense. So now they can play for the past. They can play to man, and they're playing that because they're not

worried about the run. Well, if the Jaguars were in third and three or third and four, then the Saints will not be able to dial up to man because they would be concerned about Leonard four Nett and his ability with the Jaguars to run the football and convert the chains and move on. So part of it is not just the fact that you face Cover two man.

The other part is is that you need to have some early down success on first down and second down, which was kind of ore out of character for the Jaguars because going into that game, they were second in the National Football League and yards gained on first down and they were only second to the Kansas City Chiefs, so they have been having early down success. But they then against the Saints, they saw a lot of two

men which they weren't expecting. And I think from a player standpoint and from a coaching standpoint, they weren't prepared to face that because they hadn't seen it, and they had become accustomed to getting that, and they weren't seeing that from the SATs at all in preparation. Leon, this is the first chance we'll have to see how Gardner meants you responds to a subpar statistical day. You know what.

I almost wanted to almost wanted to see Gardener missue in a game where he struggled early, to see him come back and you know, bounce back. But this was a situation where the whole game he really stroke. He looked like a rookie for the first time. I know everybody was talking about Missue made and everything like that. He's been so spectacular, but this is the first time that he actually looked like a rook like he was like Jack Lackman was saying, the Saints had a plan.

They were gonna put the jack walls in the third and long situation, you know, the Jaguars and first down, second down. You know we're either had losses or we're getting that many yards. It's the hard for any quarterback to have to go up against third and long with that situation. So he was indecisive. He chucked the ball a lot. He was he you know, he wasn't confident with his throws. He scrambled around a bit in the pocket.

Didn't want to scramble. So that was really the first time he actually looked and and not only him, but I was watching Juwan Taylor. Juanna Taylor for the first time went up against all pro I mean he, I mean he went against j j Wat did a pretty good job. But we talked about ja had lost a step or two. But when he played against Jordan's Jordan's you gotta understand these coordinators, these players, they watched film.

Now they've got enough film on on Missue to see what works again and what he likes, what he doesn't like, and they put a plan together for him. Say away with Jawn. He struggled to be he gave up the two sacks is because I was watching him during camp. He holsters his hands, which mean he's carried his hands too low. He doesn't carry him high enough. And then his timing when his punch was off and and Cameron Jordan's he saw that and he exposed him on that.

And you're a rookie, you have a bad game. I had a bad game. I gave up three sacks in one game. And then two years lya I was looking for the same guy and I got him back. But but those are the type of games you grow and you learn from it. So men should he had grown here and learned, and he's going up against the team where he should have a lot of success against. Yeah, that's the trick this week. The Cincinnati defense struggles statistically and pretty much any metric who you want to use.

They have not played well this year well first and foremost dead last in the National Football League against the run, and I think part of that is that they've had a lot of injuries, a lot of front guys that have been hurt from Glasgow to carry win Carlo's dunlap. In fact, they put win on injury reserve this week and um, you know, he had a concussion issue. And then they Anthony Zettel, who was with the Cleveland Browns, I believe most recently. So they're trying to trying to

fortify their roster right now, but they've got issues. Yeah. But I think the one thing that that should happen will happen against the Bengals is that Leonard Fournette has success on the ground and allows Gardner Minshe to kind of calm his world down because the world wasn't calm against the Saints. In two ways that you can see that One how fast ward his feet moving, which that's the first time I've ever seen multiple plays where the feet get choppy when I say the Peyton Manning type

feet of Peyton did it. But he was never nervous. He was just trying to create balance in his footwork. But kind of that look. And then also how quickly the head moved with Gardner Minshew in this past game. He saw a lot of head movement and uh, and when you see a lot of head movement, is he he's unsure that what he's gonna do with the football.

I think at times he was checking the rush and uh and he wasn't trusting his protection, which for the most part I thought leon besides the two plays that that Cam Jordan's got, I thought it was okay, it was. It was decent three times all day. Yeah, yeah, and enough enough. Camp Be said about the fact that they went up against a playoff team that was literally a pass interception, a passive deferience away from being in the Super Bowl. So they saw an elite team minus Drew Brees.

So I was a very good football team. And when I want to episide really good football team, look at who they played going in that game, Seattle. Who's at Seattle Dallas? They played some teams they didn't play. They didn't played the Patriots schedule. And I'm not criticized in New England Patriots because they're well, their schedule is criticize, criticized schedule. I'm not going to criticize them. But the Saints schedule, they arguably have had the toughest schedule maybe

in the league going into that games. I mean, you will talk about battle testing and a and a really good balance football team. When I say balance, I'm talking all three phases. Their defense is good, special teams that quality returner. UH, and offensively with with one of the best backs in the league and arguably the best wide receiver in league. That's a tough challenge. Teddy hold it together until Breeze gets home. And he has some shaky moments, I thought in that ball game, but I thought he

pulled it together a little bit. And the Jaguars rush I think missed some opportunities early in that ball game, and uh, and Teddy was able to kind of stabilize a little bit and get his crap together. But UH, tough game, tough game, and UH and learning experience for Gardner. Minshew, that's is this a bigger game? You? You said the run that you think that's gonna have a big game. How about in the passing game when they start to establish this sink King Gardner throw it up. Will DJ

have another day at the office. He's got an opportunity, I mean, you've got uh. Dark Drake Kirkpatrick is expected to be out with a knee. There are other starting corner William Jackson third is expected to be out with a shoulder. Darkys Dennard, who has been there a slot guy in the past, is on p U p H so so leon here, here's your starting corners for the Cincinnati Bengals this week. Tory Tyler mc tyler mc tyer, who's five eleven, b W Webb who's five eleven, and

Tony McGray who's five ten. Oh yeah, two of the starting corners are out for the game. Yeah. So but but but but before I'll take that all all day, all day before we can get to that, though, you got you look at the Bengals defense against the run. They've already getten up eleven hundred yards against the run, two hundred eight yards a game, five point three yards of carry. So if you want to get Garden the Menshew going the offensive line, you get that running game going,

you get Leonard for that going. That's gonna open up all kind of lanes for the past of lane from Garden to menshow so I gotta start with they want run for us, I think. So it's like a get right Sunday for the Jags in Cincinnati, at least on the offensive. I was writing my little piece for the experts column that goes on Jaguars dot Com, and yeah, you never want to say that this is uh must win or winnable game or an easy win or anything like.

As Terry Robiski told me earlier today, the running back coach, there's no homecoming game in the NFL, and there's not and there's not. And look, the minute used to take an ohen six team lightly or no for team at any point in the season. Then you're gonna get humbled. So you've got to come ready to play, and and also come ready to play against a football team that hasn't been playing very well, and also in a very unemotional environment. It's gonna it's gonna be probably reminiscent of

my days. But when I was at uv Ale, I'm going to play at Duke back before they got Steve Spurrier as their head coach, and people got excited about duke football and you had about ademic home exactly right. Look, the Cincinnati Bengals fans right now are a little disgruntled. They're not showing up, and so it's gonna be a pretty quiet environment in Cincinnati a night. They've got two

wins between the Teamsville. Here's the reality that the Jaguars are not a draw in Cincinnati, and the Jaguars are two in football team. And look, I appreciate the Jaguar fans. You know, they travel as best they can, but it's not like the Pittsburgh Steelers or or other historic NFL teams that they carry their own fan base with them wherever they go. You know. So, uh, this stadium is gonna be pretty quiet. We'll come back. Jaguars defense. How do they move ahead? What will that matchup look like

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Jaguars Happy Hour continues. Jaguars Defense. No Jalen Ramsey, of course traded to the Los Angeles Rams, so moving ahead or they haven't had him the last three weeks anyway, But what can we expect from this secondary now that you know he's not going to be around here? Guys, Leon, what do you think this thing is gonna look like? Well, I mean, gave me a stat of I mean, guys want to roster and I don't feel as comfortable as

I did that Will. Maybe five minutes ago he was saying that the DBS we have, which is amazing, it's a little concerning joy. Jared Wilson uh, let me give him too. I'll get I got him on. These are the three starters, Yes, exactly three starters. I mean you got Trey Herndon, a j boy, which he was a

Texans undrafted guy. Brian Borders was a Raiders undrafted guy, Trey Winger Jaguars, Andrew and then Jared Wilson Jaguars undrafted got Cody Davis was an undrafted guy with who originally look it up, it was late it was another team, it was a different team. But I'll be six out of the ten dbs that you have in your secondary are or were undrafted guys, which is it's kind of surprising. St. Louis Rams for Davis. Okay. St. Louis Rams. I mean that's that's pretty amazing, right, I mean, six out of

ten dbs undrafted. The latest acquisition Perry Nickerson, who they acquired off of the Seattle Seahawks practice squad. He was a six round pick of the Jets last year. So hey, look, that doesn't matter how you get there, and that matters

what you do when you're there. That's right. Well, I mean you look at the Jaguars in seventeen when they had all that success when you got to all pro corners and the whole sacks of Ville, they played hand in hand with one another, your ability to to cover and giving me that extra second or two to get to the quarterback. So, um, but it won't matter this week because I've seen the Big Ones offensive line. They're terrible. They are the injury too. They heard they're hurting, they're

hurting with injuries. Uh, and they're they're just not good. We had Willie Anderson on, you know, the All Pro right tackle from Cincinnati, he stays relevant with the team or whatever, and he just told me Leon, they're just not good. They're hurting, and they're they're not playing well. And it's obviously we wanna give up twenty two sacks, you know. And they're rushing the ball the only averaging with three point one yards of rush a hundred yards

of game. So it's a struggling team right now. So I mean, but that's not our fault. We we we need we need to take advantage of we need to take advantage of the fact that they can't run the ball at all that well, they don't protect that well, and just gives us opportunities to feast on Sunday with our defense. Give you a little background on their injuries

on offensive line. Corty Glenn, who is their normal starting left tackle, has been out a couple of weeks with a concussion, and then, uh two weeks ago against the Cardinals, Andrea Smith started and then he got hurt in that game, and then they moved John Jerry to left tackle. John Jerry also started last week at left guard. Michael Jordan's started at left guard, and then into the game came Billy Price. Excuse me, he started last week against the

Ravens because Michael Jordan's got hurt. At right guard, John Miller's the normal starter, he got it hurt last week and then Alex Redmond had to come in for him. The only guy that's they're the guys that have been consistent for the Bangals over the last couple of weeks has been right tackle Bobby Hart and then center Trey Hopkins, who,

by the way, Trey Hopkins is a good football player. UM, a pretty good football player I didn't know anything about, and watching him on film for the last a couple of weeks, he's impressed me. And here's another thing that happens with the offensive line where you have injuries and guys there's no cohesiveness. I mean, guys, are you know, guys aren't working together. It's it's you want to have guys on the same page. You know. I always sell

offensive linement like Mary to each other. You've gotta be able to trust the guy next to you with the calls, with the double teams and all that d of stood with the protections. So if you're shifting in these different components, different pieces weekend week out, as I can understand why they're struggling the way they've been struggled. They saw that

here last year. Guys. I mean they've got happen. They've got ten offensive linemen on the roster right now because they just picked up a guy by the name of Fred Johnson, a rookie from Florida who was an undrafted guy. And uh, I mean, so ten offensive line. That's very rare for a team to have ten offensive linemen on actor rocks are typically eight about your number and then if you've got, you know, a good one, you might

go nine. Rarely do you see teams have ten. Well, they've got ten because they've got so many injuries on the offensive line. But none of them. None of them are gonna be significant injuries where they're gonna miss like four or five or six weeks. Therefore, that's why you got ten biggest, biggest day on the defensive line. Then who is it? I think anybody's But look here, here's the thing. You always go back to, who's the most talented player that you have on your defensive line or

the most talented players? You start with Klass and then after that, I think it's a toss up. Do you go in Gockway or do you go Josh Allen? Uh. Josh Allen's playing really well right now. Uh And Gockway he's getting close to at times. So I think any of those three guys and and look would be great if all three of them had had a heck of it. It would It's possible. We've seen that before. I'd like to see both. I'd like to see all three guys get at least two set and that's possible. Looking and

I get got your credit. Smoot, Uh D want Smoots playing well. He played well last week, had a nice rush. He's been doing pretty good against the run. I've always been a guy that that I liked Smoots film when he came out college, and then I was disappointed I think in the first couple of years with some of his production, and then this year it looks like he's finally starting to break through. The guy that I think

continues to disappoint me as Taven Brian. He got more snaps last week and he still can't find the football. Uh so uh in gock Way, Calais and Smoot and Josh Allen. Those got to be the guys that that you get the main production from. Andy Dalton has been around this league for a long time now. It's amazing to think about that. You know what's amazing JP came

in in Leon. When you're in the year for in the league for nine years, you would you would think that some of the what I call the gimme completions look like gimme's. You know, a clean pocket and then you've got a wide open wide receiver. It should be like playing catch. Andy Dalton actually has some of the worst numbers I think in the National Football League as

far as ratings go with a clean pocket. The film that he put out there from last week against the Ravens game, I literally was going back and watching plays going is that really Andy Dalt, I mean it was bad, I mean really bad. And he has, uh this one wide receiver that made some really crazy catches to help

him actually have some decent numbers. And his name is audent Ay to Florida State guy and he's a big guy, like a J Green similar number because he wears nineteen and uh turned and kind of rewounded a couple of times on him. Uh. But Andy Dalton's not playing very well. His numbers state that he's twenty six in the National Football League with an eighty two point eight rating. And that's about as pedestrian as you can get in the National Football League. That all the issues around him don't help.

But even when there is a clean body, Yeah, when when a quarterback doesn't have a running game, which they have the worst rushing offense in the National Football League, And here are the numbers they are averaging. Hold onto your shorts here, folks, fifty six point five yards rushing a game. Their workhorse running back Joe Mixon's averaging three point four yards to carry. And do you Havevanni Bernard is averaging two point one yards per carry. That's not

getting it done. That's pathetic. Can't do it and so pretty bad. I don't care. If you've got a great quarterback, his numbers aren't gonna be that good when he's got a running game like that. But when you've got an average at best quarterback, then his numbers become um. I don't want to say below the Mendoza line, because I don't think there is one for quarterback radios. But it becomes very apparent that that Annie Dalton can't can't do it by himself, and he's not he's not having a

very good year. Let's come back. We'll touch the a f C South standings, the upcoming schedule in the division, and we'll go around the National Football League. Thursday Night football coming up? All that, the Jackson, the Bengals coming tonight. Well, it's the Chiefs and the Broncos. Good one, a good one? Can the Chiefs get right? We'll find out at a moment. Wouldn't we pick it? When we come back, it's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Tito's Haymade Vodka

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that can convenience is better, join vi Star. We never forget that it's your money, all loan subject to approval, insured by n c U. A just kind of one of those things that it's like, man, you know, uh, one of the parts of the game, you know, I mean, it doesn't happen too often, but it does happen, uh you know. But I mean we went through a last year too with Dante. Uh, you know, it's a good player, you know, a guy that you know, it was fun

to be your teammates work for a few years. But at the the day, you know, we gotta focus on what's ahead of us, you know, and um, you know, I kind of treated like I mean, the mama is kind of like the guy getting injured, you know, or you just have the I'm not available to you anymore. So you know, it's just gotta, you know, move on, you know, next man though, Claire's Campbell, next man up. Jalen Ramsey's gone. The Jags move on to Cincinnati. We're

on to Cincinnati, is Bill Belichick once said. The Jags are heading there this week to face the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium. Jaguars Happy Hour continues J P. Shadrick, Jeff Lockerman, Leon Sarcy. And this is the stretch, guys. Obviously this season we'll go around the division coming up.

But you know, we've said when Nick Foles got injured, if you can get through this stretch around five hundred, at the bye four and five, five and four, somewhere in that window, then okay, you're you're set up for the last and half of the season. Here to at least try to make a run. Well, this is the window these three weeks coming up. And Leonard for not in the locker room today, understands that the next two games that must win, you know, to get us right now.

So I mean we we know what that state, nothing far behind it, you know, but it's coming out of competing has one of biggest thanks. Uh, just finishing and finding ways to win. You know, we came up shot a lot of a lot of games have passed. You know, someone's by two points and something about two points, I'm about touchdown and just finding ways you know, the pants games, defensive game, this game with the offense game defense plyay

a heck of a game against the Saints. So we have a final ways to score, Uh, make happy win the next two your five h going to London to face the division arrival Houston Texans with a chance to be five and four to buy. And that's it's about all you can ask, right. This is this is the window coming up these next three weeks. So you better worry about one first and that's this one this week before you start saying, you know, hey, he's in the barn on this game with the Bengals, and then with

the Jets next week. That Jets are playing differently with Sam Donald back at the helm and uh as I said, before the minute you start taking it on six football team light, you're gonna get humble in this league. So you know, I think this team has a real good chance. And here's the thing. I think that that is kind of being assumed that most people thought, Okay, let's get to five hundred or close to five hundred within a

game and then Nick Foles comes back. Well, my whole thing is, look, you've had a quarterback that's playing played pretty well for you, and so is getting back to five just your goal? I mean, is Nick Foles going to be the savior if you get to five hundred or close to five hundred and then he comes back, Is he gonna? Is he gonna make that big of a difference with this football team? Yeah? Well, you know, I think a lot of that is based on his

resume with the Eagles. You know, I used to call him St Nick as you know, close to Christmas Town. That has a lot to do with it. But I agree with you on that. If if Gardener Menshoe he had the one bad game against the Saints. He was humble. You know, they exposed the Mabey played like a rookie. But if he's got this offense rolling, and I don't I don't necessarily agree with just get the five hundred. I mean, listen, we we beat the Bengals, Jazz, I'm not trying to look at then we go to London,

wheld we're familiar with. When we play the Texas, I say, you go for the division, get this thing rolling and win the division. I mean good getting the five hundred middle of the season. I mean that's not good enough. It's been far too where the last year. I just remember midway pointing through the season, Jacks had struggled so once and when listen, you know there was already talking about what we're gonna do in the draft in neighbor. You know, that culture, in that mindset has to change.

This team had should be focused on winning the division, and they got a formulable task because Texas aren't any joke coast on in the joke and you still gotta go to the Tech. You gotta go to Tennessee, who you finally beat, but you gotta go on the road against him, so that that that's a that's a healthy schedule to to to half the battle, but that you'll

focus on your main point. You know, your focus should be winning this division if you go to if you lose to the Bengals, I think just losing to the Bengals itself would be I don't want to say catastrophic, about to say, it's pretty daring close, but that would hurt a loss. They're not playing well, they don't have a win. Uh got a new head coach, quarter pack quarterback that's not playing well, and they're beat up. You know what they're saying. Though you know what they're saying,

and sense two and four. Here's the thing. Their issues are way bigger than the issues here. I'm gonna assure you that if you go to two and five with the loss to the Bengals as the ice, because that's the last thing that would would have happened with this football team. I mean, all of a sudden, you're looking at this football team, go on, it's over. Yeah, there's not much room for error after that? Do you do that. I'm not saying it's over, but you're feeling is that

it's over. So, I mean, this is about as big as they come. And I'm not one to use must win games because you know, look you can you can get in a roll lee on like we did ninety six and all of a sudden roll off, you know, some straight wins to get in the playoffs. But that doesn't happen very You guys behind the eight ball when it happened. So I mean, you'd rather not be at

that point. We were went three and six and four and seven, yeah, I think, yeah, roll off five straight and had to have help at the end to get in and to have help two different ways, right, I had to have help all had to line up on another game and then had a little help from some storious in a little bit of a win. Let's take a look at the A s C South standings and they haven't changed the last couple of weeks. At He's the order, Houston Leon, as you said, playing good ball

for two. Indy was off last week, the Jags and the Titans at the bottom. And the games this week of course the Jags of the Bengals, but the Texans are playing in Indye against the Colts. It'll be a good matchup on Sunday one o'clock. Really good game, really good game. In fact, I might if I if it's gonna well, it won't air because the Jaguars Bengals beyond. But I'd like to have a DVR that they still

play the replays on NFL Network. I think sometimes I hope, well, if not, I'll watch that one on film because that's a good matchup, good game. Texans playing good. Chargers are at the Titans in Nashville. Chargers not playing. Well, that's two games in a row that out the gate. They've gotten behind, and uh, not good, not good for the for the Chargers at all, because many people thought that they would be in contention in the a f C and clearly they're not. Alright. One note from the owners

meetings this week. They were down in South Florida the fall owners meetings. They happened quarterly in fact, but Roger Goodell confirmed that there have been talks on a seven team game season talks between the NFL and the Players Association during the early negotiations for the next c B A and possible shortening of the preseason to go along with that. What do you guys think of that? More games, more money, Yeah, more paycheck. I knew this was comment games.

It's going to vitually get the eight team. I think that was the original talking point that maybe they've walked it back a little. Here, here's one thing that has to happen. One preseason game doesn't equal one regular season game. So you can't cut the preseason back to three and then extended regular season to seventeen. There's got to be like a two for one deal on that at least, so in other words, you cut two preseason games out to add one the one regular season. I can't imagine

the players Association agreeing to anything but that. And because the seven when you go to seventeen, I know there was talk for a while about going to eighteen and then having okay, maybe expand the roster a little bit, and then you say, okay, all of our players can only play in sixteen games. Well that doesn't make any sense. Uh. I still believe that you should expand the roster regardless.

I mean why not. I mean, if if if you can go from fifty three to fifty four, why not expand it roster by one player and keep practice squad and everybody else the same. But I think I think having that active roster expanded by one I think what mat would help, but h seventeen games, I would be that would be interesting because it's not an even number, you know, would it float? I mean, how would how would they handle that very question? How do would they

handle that? I don't know, I don't know, a lot of talks still to come, I'm sure maybe. And then if they expanded, of course, then you go deeper into away with the postseason play and all that stuff too. That's that's on down the line. Your old team in the news again. Um will the Steelers, you know, moving

into the off season. Here is Kevin Colbert in trouble is kind of a storyline, and apparently Steeler's owner Arn't Rooney the Second told Ian Rappaport on a podcast this week, they're gonna revisited after the draft and see what happens in Pittsburgh. He's been there for a long time, twenty years. Agone. They don't make changes in Pittsburg. They don't. They really don't know. They take their time with the people that personnel people had to go a job overall though, from

personnel standpoint, did he draft you Kevin Colbert? There don't think Yeah, that's uh yeah, that's just twenty twenty years. He's been there, so you would have been before that. Yeah, discutched curious. I wonder if he was on staff. Yeah, probably was. He a long time. They don't get rid of I mean, he just don't. Let's take a look at Thursday night football tonight. The Kansas City Chiefs four and two and the Broncos at two and fourth is at Mile High tonight. Patrick Mahomes has been hobbled a

little bit lately. The Broncos might have found their sea legs and well, I don't know, that might be overselling it a little bit. They were over, Uh they were over four to start the season. They've won a couple in a row. How do you like this game tonight? Division game at Mile High? It's always fun. I think it's a good football game. I'm gonna be watching it. I can tell you that Patrick Mahomes um. Their offenses

hasn't been quite as good lately. You had what back to back games against an NFC South opponent with Texans last week and then the Coult before that, and uh, they got Tyreek killed back. Yes, I had him in fantasy this past week. Well, he did well, he did pretty good. I think this is a really good football game. And uh, because it's a it's a strength first, strength of the Broncos defense is obviously their strength, and then they're all fence against a Kanci chief defense that's not

as powerful. So it should be a really good football game. Yeah, rivalry game. It'll be close, but I think the Canci Chiefs to get him in the end late late second field goal, last second field goal. Though, I think it's will be that. I like that. Leon, well done. We'll see you on Sunday. Sunday. I'll be here, He'll be back. We'll be back in a moment for the Doug Moron Show that's right after this. Thank you for listening and watching the Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.