Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, May 26

Football League as we always do. Plenty of news around the league, some rules changes in terms of roster numbers for the practice squads and things like that coming up. Jeff Lockhaman with us. Now, what's up, Jeffrey, it's all good. It's all good. Jp. By the way, what's wrong with appetizers? Nothing?

Especially ten of him. Yeah. That's the best way to go about dinner sometimes is you know, you get a sample order about five or six appetizers for a couple of people, get a side salad, you go, you call it tap us and you can charge two more dollars. Yeah, that's the same thing. Yeah, that's a good idea. Gonna do. I'm a big appetizer guy, especially when it comes to seafood. Shrimp, cocktail, shrimp, cocktail, fried shrimp, bang bang shrimp. I feel like I'm on

forest from seared tunor. Yeah. Yeah, so we winned to get to organized team activities are here, of course. The only session this week open to the media was Monday, and Doug Peterson Loggs met the media ahead of practice and explains what he wants to see as the offseason program continues. I think just continuing to grow as a football team, coming to other um, you know, as we build towards training camp. I think that's probably the number the number one thing, you know, really is is just

building that cohesiveness again. The players and coaches are getting getting to know each other still, you know, and and um, you know, I think that's a that's a big part of these next you know, three and a half, four weeks whatever we got left, so they have it, um yeah, getting to know each other, taking it from the classroom onto the field. What do you think of the pace of practice and everything the other Well, it was good and it's certainly a different pace than the rookie camp

because the rookie camp is much slower. It's more methodical. There's more explanation where when the veterans get out there. And there by the way, there were a few guys that were not in attendance. Remember the O t A s are voluntary, and most of the guys that weren't there had good reasons for not being there. Doesn't but the tempo is much higher compared to the rookie minicamp

because that's what you would expect. I mean, there's guys that have been around and been playing football for a longer period of time than just the rookies, and so the veterans kind of established the tempo the rookies have to keep up and uh and I really liked the tempo. I like the way that the coaching happened in practice. There wasn't screaming and yelling. There wasn't a megaphone telling you what period it was and remember to focus when you're not in and it's plus two and this and that.

It felt serious, relaxed, and a very deep teaching hour and a half. And that's the way it should be in the National Football League. And it was good to watch some of the guys that we haven't seen in a long period of time, and it was good to see some of the guys that were hurt last year either working in practice or working on the side. It was including Travis E. T N who got hurt. Full go and that's a good thing. Cut and moving, running, jumping, the whole deal. Yeah, and he and he looked good.

I mean he had he had a drop one time, but look, everybody has that. And uh. I think the thing that surprised me the most is typically when you have O. T. A. S there's the old saying that the offense doesn't run or hit come out of the gate as fast as the defense, because the offense is about timing and continuity and rhythm, whereas the defense it's about speed, athleticism, aggressiveness, which it's a lot easier to get to that speed as the defense compared to the offense.

But I thought that the offense held its own. I thought Trevor looked very sharp. Besides the one pass that he ended up throwing right to Divon Hamilton's on a kind of a he's trying to dump it off to Evan Ingram. I think it was underneath and it's not a very um well thought out throw by Trevor in that case because he has thrown back to the middle across the body. Not what you want to do. But number fifty two is a large human being. Yes, he is between the five and the two. He is, and

he did a good job. He caught its great, ran with it, ran with it, and the defense had a great moment in practice. Yes, so, and glad to see that Trevor didn't try to make a touchdown saving tackle that stay away with the red jersey, don't don't touch the quarterback. So yeah, good to see some of those. Good to see some of the new faces that are here.

Obviously the free agent guys, we we got our first chance to look at Christian Kirk had a couple of catches that, uh seem to have a little something going. Do you buy the the whole building of an unfield connection now to pay dividends later in training camp in preseason? Absolutely you do. I think. I think the timing, the relationships, the communication between quarterback and all of his weapons is

critical to build at this moment. And there's a lot of guys that are getting reps because they're still trying to figure out who those guys are gonna be once it starts coming down to kick off time for a real game. But for the most part, they who those guys are gonna be. But it's a it's critically important that those guys get the reps now, which is kind

of surprising. I know we're gonna get to around the league later on, but you've got other guys and other teams in the league that aren't having everybody in attendance like the Jaguars do, which look, the Jaguars had the worst record in football two years in a row. They need to get the work together like the Ravens. For example, Lamar Jackson is not in the O Tater at the O t a s. Tom Brady is doing some and not doing others. But he's the goat. He doesn't need

to do a lot of that stuff. But Trevor Lawrence and and his guys they need to get every rep possible for two reasons. One, it's a completely new system with the new coaching staff, and they need to not only to learn how to understand the new system, but also to communicate with their coaches and their teammates. I mean, that's the biggest reason why. And if you don't take advantage of that when you're ball team that hasn't been very good, you've got no chance. And so it's good

to see everybody out there. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on Tinte next selling Jaguars dot Com. J P. Shadrick with Jeff Logabun. Let's hear from Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars quarterback, on the start of the organized team activities. We've got a couple different phases. Now we're back into competing against the defense, and um, that's a little easier to measure because you can, you know, you can put a grade on it, you can say it was that successful or not, you know,

complete and complete all those things. It's a little tougher on air. I think having those few weeks though to prepare and really master the system helps And now like today, I feel like we were pretty clean. Obviously, you're gonna always have a few a few things here and there you want to clean up. But I really like where we're at. I feel like we're I don't want to say ahead of schedule, but I really feel like we're

right where we need to be. Um the way that you know, Coach Peterson press all those all of our our whole staff is installed. The offense, you know, really strategically, and um, I really like where we're at and the guys are picking it up great. The question to Trevor Lawrence here was how do you measure um success? Building? Is it day to day? You know, how do you as an offense and as yourself? How do you? And

that was his answer. Well, and if you pulled thirty two teams quarterbacks, they would all have a very similar answer. We really like where we are. We're doing really well. Our tempo is great, We're building the camaraderie, we're building towards the season. I mean, so everybody has a winning may, right, everybody has a winning journey. We're undefeated and may and absolutely so. I mean you would expect some of the

answers that he has, but but it's good. It's good to see the amount when when you talk about the brain power of the offensive side of the ball that they have there with Press Taylor and Mike McCoy and and of course Duff Peterson as the head coach, Jim Bob Cooter the passing game coordinator, there's a lot of guys on that side of the ball that are gonna be able to provide some great insight into the offense and into the performance of the offense and into the

design of the offense. And I think that's that's really a strong, really strong thing about this offense and a strong thing about Doug Peterson's staff. The offensive side of the ball has a lot of really good minds and a lot of minds JP that have very good experience, great experience working with the quarterback in the NFL, in the NFL, not at some college school. And that's that's

great what you gotta have. And the defense has some great experience too, Okay, not as much as the offense, and that's okay, part of I think sometimes the one thing I think that you've got to be careful of is that when you have, when you have that many minds and that many people that you know, I'm sitting here talking about the great virtues that they bring to the offense of the offense to staff, you have to make sure and I don't want to say be cautious,

but there needs to be a very specific set of marching orders and about job description because you can't have the quarterbacks coach, okay, disagreeing with the offensive coordinator because he's been a head coach and he's been an offensive coordinator before. I mean, there's there's you've got to make sure that you know the old saying, you can't have

too many chefs in the kitchen. Okay, you need to have the one guy that's kind of the head of the of the kitchen, and then everybody else has certain jobs and responsibilities to do. And of course you have the the master chef. I thought there was too many cooks in the kitchen, however you want to call it chef's cooks JP. Okay, the kitchens you go to a lot of kits, they're cooks. The kitchens that I go to, Chef Gordon White, the whole thing. Yeah. Me on the other hand, Yeah, but I I do. I I like

the the experience that the offense has. I think it's it's gonna be fun to watch. I mean, there's there's a lot of bright minds on that side of the ball now, and if Trevor Lawrence doesn't have the ability or cannot find a way to soak in all of that, are as much of that knowledge as possible. But I believe that Trevor Lawrence is going to be able to

soak in as much as possible. And the one thing I want to see him out of him JP, because you know that we only saw the first day and there's a long way to go and O T A. S. And and also you have the mandatory minicamp coming up in the middle of June. But you want to start to see the leadership of Trevor Lawrence, the ownership of Trevor Lawrence in the offense. And and that takes time.

That's not something that just happens automatically the first day that he's out there with his with his new teammates and his new coaches. That's something that has to be built. The confidence has to be gained. But at some point you want to see that to where you see him starting to correct guys, starting to demand more of his teammates. And when you when you start to see that, I think then he starts to say, yeah, Okay, Now now you can feel it, you can feel how his ownership

is making a difference. Hey, imagine this. We're gonna have more from Trevor Lawrence coming up. Good Jaguars quarterback and Doug Peterson Jaguars head coach. We'll hear from g M. Trent balky Is as well. A little later, he joined John Ozan the Ozone Podcast earlier today, the Jaguars are future focused and ready for a new look in two join us at the bank this season. Is we get ready for a great home schedule here in two Luck in your seats. Jaguars dot Com slash tickets were called

nine O four six three three two thousand. We'll return in a moment with little defensive talk, get logs thoughts on the front seven is actually and all the new faces there for the Jaguars defense is Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network right here. I'm really excited about the future. Obviously we all learned a lot last year, but being able to build on what we have now

and we really create something here, something special. Um. I feel like we have a lot of the right people and that's that's what you need is good people, and we got that. So I'm looking forward to it. That was Trevor Lawrence and that is the Hunt tonight, chapter three on the Jaguars YouTube channel and Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars Social media. But check it out tonight, and I think it's a long one, like twenty minutes or something like, it's nice behind the scenes acts. You can't minutes that's

a long one. Yes, that's a lot. I mean they've been working on this for a long time. Max Hawkman, our entire broadcast crew and digital crew, and um, it's it's um, it's twenty minutes. I mean, here's a here's a reality. Because these videos that they put together have been fantastic. When you say twenty minutes, it's a long. When it doesn't feel long, it'll fly by. But it's access you don't get literally anywhere else that cool stuff. But put it this way, I watch it. Wow, they honestly,

I watch it and I enjoy it. I mean it's uh, I think it's very entertaining. I think they do a great job. Whether the production on, it's awesome. And congratulations to all the guys that contributed to do that because they do a wonderful job. So check it out tonight on the Jaguars YouTube channel about seven o'clock or so. And let's move along to defense now logs. A lot of new faces on defense around here. Um, you know,

draft picks, some free agent guys have come in. You know, it's it's hard to tell on a lot of things right now because there's no contact going on. But what stood out the most to you on the defensive side the other day, I think, first and foremost some of the free agent guys that you signed, the big guys. It's hard to tell on them. I mean, because the big guys aren't pounding. You don't really kind of learn anything about the big guys other than man, he looks

really big in clothes. But you'll find out more about them when the pads go on. But I really like the energy of a little con the guy. He practices like I watched him on film, which means ton of energy, has never ending energy, is always all over the field, and that was good to watch. Now. Fotakasi big dude. You know, big dude, And I think I think the one thing that I want to see more of is that the guys that were drafted the last couple of years that are that are in that position to have

an opportunity to contribute, for them to step Bob. You go back a couple of years ago, Devon Hamilton's was a third round pick. We were talking about this before we came off. And when you expend a third round pick on the defensive tackle. You want to start to see some dividends. And last year de Von Hamilton's I thought took a step back. Well, this is a third round pick defensive tackle. You want to see him take

a step up. Okay. Last year's fourth round pick J two fell A didn't make much of an impact, was hardly active for any games at all last year. Okay, these are two guys that play the same position of photo Kassi, who you went and signed in free agency and gave a bunch of money to in free agency because you felt like there maybe those other two guys weren't quite where you needed them to be at. If those other two guys are playing, well, maybe you don't

go out and get a photo COSI. So I want to see some of these younger defensive tackles, some of these guys that they've picked of the last couple of years, all of them, not just the defensive tackles, even you know, the young safety they got from Syracuse last Cisco, I want to see him take a step up. I mean, these are the guys that are gonna be the guys that either make this team better and help this team climb out of the whole that they've been in the

last two years or they don't. And they've got to find a way to get production out of these draft picks that they've had in the last couple of years. And I'm not talking about just Okay, he's got a role because he's playned. I'm talking about being a significant contributor to winning winning. That's there's a big difference between being a contributor and being a contributor to winning. At some point, you just gotta you gotta put Cisco on

the field. That was part of the thing last year, right, Well, I just didn't put him out there, you know. And look, look, I don't really quite understand. I mean, he was coming back from an injury at Syracuse, and so you understand some of the Okay, we're gonna make sure that he comes back and he's healthy and he's good, and we don't want to put too much on his table. And there's always a little bit of a an adjustment period for every rookie that comes in, and it's different for

every rookie. And I think Cisco has tremendous ball skills and you've got to find a way to get him on the field. No offense to Andrew Winger okay, but Andrew Winger can't make plays on the ball like like a Cisco. He can. Just look at the numbers, look at the numbers of the opportunities that both of these guys had in college, and I think those numbers speak very very loudly that Cisco makes plays on the ball

and that wingered. I think the best role for him is as a sub safety, which means that he's a backup and that he is one of your core for special teams players, and and there's nothing wrong with that. He can have a very long career and be a very very valuable piece to this football team in that role. Everybody's got to have a role, and I think that's the best role for him. Devin Lloyd, what stands out when you first see him running around with the veterans.

We saw a rookie mini camp, of course, but then all of a sudden, here he is on the field with all the old guys. I thought he blending in a little bit. When I say blended in, which means that he didn't stand out as much with the veterans, just because there's a little bit of an adjustment period.

You're trying to keep the pace in the tempo the veterans who have been doing it for a little bit, and also you're trying to understand the tempo the way that you're supposed to practice and that the way that the veterans and the coaches established that. So his athleticism

definitely still stands out. But when you go from the rookie camp to where you just go, wow, that guy is really athletic and he really stands out, and you put him around a lot more talented athletes and other talented linebackers, you're like, Okay, he definitely fits in, but he's not standing out yet. That will come with confidence and and when he understands his sister him a lot more.

But he's still in that learning phase. Remember JP, the practice, the only practice that we all have seen is the very first one, and so that's just such a small sample size. And it's also the first sample size, which typically is something that is a little bit slower for the younger players that they're they're still in the mode of taking things in and digesting them. Trayvon Walker was

not in attendance on Monday in the open practice. Reports today that he was attending a funeral and is back with the team now, So we didn't get a chance to see him out there with the veterans on Monday,

but hopefully next week we will. Um. You know, then there's guys who've been around here for a minute, right, Um you mentioned some of the middle round draft picks on the d line, like Calebon chaise On, he's a first round pick, logs like, at some point you gotta get something more production out of him at that position.

And now there's there's all these new faces coming in at outside linebacker with Walker and John Chalons still there, and uh, a guy like cheeses On is one of those guys get something out of caleban Is is going to be fighting for a roster spot. I mean that's I mean, that's plain and simple. I mean that's you're You're you're fighting for a job. I'm not. I don't think he's in the situation of, Okay, he's fighting for for playing time. Okay, because if he's fighting for that,

who is he gonna take time away from? Is he gonna take time away from Josh Allen, No, Trayvon Walker, no, Um Smoot No. Now, last year he's he kind of split time with Smoot Smoot clearly showed last year that Smoot deserves to be definitely ahead of Calebn chays On. And I'm not trying to the down Calebancha and he just he has to take significant steps up in his game for him to earn a role as a regular contributor on defense. So act, I mean, that's just the

way it is, and right now he is. I don't want to say he's a low man on the totem pole, but he's lower in the pecking order than being a regular rotation guy because you've added to that position in the draft with a first overall draft pick who has a ton of talent. And so I think that that's something to what what what he says to be determined, he's got to earn it. He's good. He's definitely got it. I thought he took a step up last year, but

it wasn't a significant step up. We thought early on that he was starting to show a significant step, but then as the season wore on, it's like, it's kind of okay, he's got to be better. He would be four and a half million dead cap this year. I mean, they're not gonna let him go. He's gonna make the roster. Well, when I when I say he's he's trying to find a spot, When I say he's trying to find a spot, I'd say find a role, not so much a spot.

That's that's much difference. Sorry, and I should have explained that a little bit more. But I mean, he is a guy that's gonna be fighting for a spot. Now would you would you cut a guy like that? I don't see that first round pick and you find a place for it. Well, he's got to earn it. I mean, he just don't find a place. He's not gonna be given a place. He's still gotta he's still got to

earn something. But the amount of money that he's gonna get is guaranteed anyway, So you're gonna have to pay him regardless of whether he's on the roster or not. So I think that comes into place that gives him an advantage over a guy that even might be slightly better but would be a minimum salary guy. You said, Darren, go, Well, I mean he's a first round pick. We can't give up on him after two years. We've got to give him in a year three, right, So you're gonna give

him every opportunity getting better. But he's got to start to show that he's getting better. Yeah, and where do you play him? Is he's still a true outsideline? But I think that's a great question. I think that's a great question. And I think that he's been an outside guy. I mean's outside guy, l s U outside guys, rookie, y're outside guy year two. He doesn't strike me as stout enough to to go put a hand on the ground in this. No, no, no, no, no, no no no,

I'm thinking out loud here JP. And that Okay. The only other position that you would maybe playing at would be at an inside linebacking position. But they're stacked there right now. Yeah, I don't know. I think that's interesting. So I think you sit there and you go, okay, Well, first of all, you need to find a way for him to get better at the outside linebacking position. Boy, wouldn't it be great if he could cross train where he could be one of those guys that could play

inside and outside. And then also you have to be a core for special team or when I say core for, you know your four main special teams kickoff, kickoff return, punt and punt return. That that's that's your core for special teams. Okay. And when you say he needs to be a core four special teamer, that means that he's on every one of those units. Okay. He has the speed, he has the power, he has the agility to play

on every one of those units. So you would love to find or or you would love to see that he has the ability to be a core for guy and then continues to work at his craft and outside linebacker and finds a way that he can contribute. Planting ahead, we'll hear from Doug Peterson again on what Trevor Lawrence in the offense should look like at the end of O t a s plus Trent Balky with John Osier

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We'll hear from Doug Peterson as Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network, Jaguars fans, you know, for him just again staying comfortable and getting more comfortable with the offense. Um. You know, I really like his his dialogue with you know, with coach McCoy, impressing myself and things that he likes and doesn't like him. Um. I just want to see that that growth in him here as we you know, sort of wind down you know the off season and

Europe with training camp. But you know, he's been he's been focus, he's been here, he's he's been attentive, he's done a good job on the football field. He's a leader. Uh and those are the things that we want to continue now, you know as we hit entertaining. That's head coach Doug Peterson earlier this week Welcome Back, It's Jaguars

Happy Hour. J P. Shadrick with Jeff Logman, Joe Fortunado print re were along with US sand Glad gr with us Son Tintin, XL A M and Jaguars dot Com and the jag social media channels Twitter, which Logs is using right now. Facebook, he might be using that more and YouTube. Do you think I use Facebook more? Yeah, you're you're of that um you know um experience of life, Yes, experience of life. What are you trying to say? You have that age? That's all. That's all I'm saying. That's

all I'm saying. That's it. Is there an age classification? So yes? So Twitter is for a certain age, Instagram is for an age Facebook Facebook is a different age. Absolutely. I think there's a statistic are you Are you the metrics guy? I don't know. I'm just I don't know what those metrics are, but I'm guessing that. Okay, So give me give me your idea, Give me your idea of the age categories of these three different social media platforms.

So I would say, like Snapchat, which I don't have anything to do with is super young like teenagers to you know, college kind of right. Twitter is probably like college too. You know my age and how old is that old enough? And then and I think the Facebook is like forty two infinity. What about Instagram? It depends on if you like taking photos or not. I think that's probably younger, trends younger. That's my guests, his view

of the world. What do you think? So, so what would Joe be since, uh, you know, Facebook goes to my age. Hey, Joe is a little older than me. He's he still uses pony Express popular mechanics, right exactly. It comes in the mail, a JP, you know what you're getting old now? Okay, so you're starting a transition into this Facebook. I'm not getting old category. I'm just old. Let you know your Facebook age. That's what it is. Man. Life happens, Reality life happens. Reality HiT's your face sometimes.

So the question there for Doug Peterson was what does this offense need to look like at the end of O t A s like, what is the end game? What do you want it? When? Will you be kind of happy? And that was his answer there. And I think that there's a there's a there's a lot of ways to measure success with an offense, but it's hard to measure success when you're when you're not really having a true measuring stick to the measuring, you know what

I mean. And that's why sometimes the off season can always be a little you can mislead you sometimes for for lack of a better way of describing it. But the one thing that you want to see with the offense is that the components that you have to start gaining a strong understanding of the offense to where and what I mean by that is that people are more functional when they're confident and in the know of what they're supposed to do. Athletes can perform better when they're

not thinking about what they're supposed to do. They're just performing, they're just reacting, they're just being an athletic. Quarterbacks can perform better when things become second nature. So all of the components of the offense work better with great experience and great repetition. And that's what you're trying to gain in the off season. Now, at the end of an all season, are you gonna be able to fix it great and say, okay, you know, we're you know, if

you if you're Doug Peterson. Well, you know, we're hoping we will get to level ten at the end end the conclusion of the all season, but well we got to like level eight and a half. Is there a way to measure that? I think that's an interesting question, But I don't think there's a way to truly measure it because you haven't and the coaches haven't seen these

people perform. So what's the expectation? So I think in a lot of ways, their vention venturing into the great unknown, and that they're not sure what a lot of these players can do because they haven't seen him in person. They've watched film, but some of them are very young and haven't been put in great positions to have success yet. So I think that that's a that's a it's a very open ended question that has a lot of different

ways to answer it. Yeah, you got to see what a player's capabilities are before you can really craft a scheme or something around him. And here's a here's a perfect example. Okay, Travis c t N. Yes, you want to you want to get him involved, right, he's the first round draft pick last year who was unable to play because he ended up having a Liz Frank was. Essentially, it's kind of a midfoot sprain. He had surgery, surgery to fix it. Now he's back, he's been cleared to

do everything. Okay, but what is your expectation for him? Well, he's a high first round pick, so your expectation is is that he's going to be a significant contributor to offense. But the reality is that you haven't seen him yet play and at the pro level. Okay, So where where do you expect him to be when you haven't seen him perform yet? M And I think that that's part of what you need to find out this year. Okay. You you would love to have this great role for

Travis Etien. For example, last year with urban Meyer and the offensive staff, they had they had this vision for Travis e t N of being this X factor that he's not just a running back that you hand the ball off to. He's he's doing routes. So you got Jay Robin the backfield and you have Travis E t N split out why so essentially kind of like a tight end where you get a mismatch where e t N can get him that you can get him in space and get him against the linebacker who can't cover

a guy who runs four four? Well? Is that the same vision that that Press Taylor and Doug Peterson and Mike McCoy and and Jim Bob Cooder. Is that the same vision that they have for Travis E. T n and this offense? I don't know, and you can't tell from watching one practice so far. This is something I think that's going to evolve. But I think it's an interesting question. Where do they see him at and where

is the expectation for him to perform at. Because he's a first round pick, we all kind of have these high expectations, but the reality is is that we haven't seen him perform yet. So can we can we have a reasonable expectation for him? I mean, I think we all have a certain level, But where is that level and what's and what's reasonable? I don't know. You know, it seems like at least the one day we saw him, there was no issues with the foot. Yeah he looked good. Yeah, look,

I mean, look he looked like he was moving. Okay, did he look like put it this way. Did we look at him and go, boy, that guy is really special? Did you get that impression? I mean, you know he's he's got something. No no, no, no, j P. Did your eyes when you watched him? I mean, considering what they're doing out there exactly exactly, And I'm not I'm not trying to say that that's a negative. I'm just trying to say that at this point, what with what they're doing and with I guess you could say how

much he is opening it up, You're not. You're not seeing where you go, Wow, he's not like shaking five guys and running an eight yards. You're not gonna see that until real games happened. So but I mean, at some point you're gonna want to see that when it's live. But I think it's a It's interesting because you know, there's so many different components to saw offence that you sit there and you go, Okay, then you have a vision or you have this thing imprinted in your mind

about how guys can contribute. Evan Ingram, Okay, we're number seventeen when you When I first saw it, I was like, who's that guy wearing seventeen? Got big seventeen, I mean, And so I looked at the back of the jersey and I saw Ingram Ingram, Who's Ingram. Oh yeah, and I was like, he got a haircut. So Evan Ingram got a haircut. Got me fulled. Okay, look, and and he's not a real big guy. And fact, if he was, if he was over working out with the wide receivers,

and if he stood next to laviisco Chanlt. You go, dude, check out the size of those two wide receivers. But when you see him over in the tight end group, you go, is he with the right group? I mean, because he's not a real big guy, but I think he's gonna be very good for a quarterback. Dan Arnold looks good. Dan Arnold looked really good, I thought. So here's another thing we mentioned earlier. Defensive line, it's hard to tell, you know, they're moving guys around. That's certainly

the case on the offensive line too. We haven't touched on these guys yet. Um, but there's a couple of things that you you see Brandon Sheriff for the first time in person, impressive. Yeah, well, look, these guys are impressive. I think Walker Little's trimmed some weight down a little bit. Looks like well, and what we what we saw on Monday, because Cam Robinson wasn't there for whatever reason. Uh, doesn't matter. But so you know we the expected competition at right

tackle with Walker Little and Juan Taylor. Well, Walker Little was playing left because Cam Robinson was not there at practice, and uh, Tyler Shatley ran with the ones at center. You know, your draft pick Fortner from Kentucky. You know, watched him practice, you know, got an up close personal look at him. And then oh, by the way, I'll

get to the game film that I watched in a minute. Yeah, but in practice, there was a lot of guys were lined up in position that they're probably not going to be lined up at once you start doing stuff for real. So uh, but I will tell you if Joan Taylor better have a a little bit of a different mentality this year, because this competition for right tackle is not drummed up. This is real and he is going to be fighting for a job. When I say a job,

starting job, okay, not necessarily a roster spot. I don't want to kind of want to get you confused again, Jim, and I think that that's gonna be interesting to watch. Tyler Shatley, I think, is going to be the starting center until he's not. And at what point will that be. I don't know. I I thought earlier that it might take some time. But Fortner is a very smart player. Watched the film on him this week. What'd you watch?

What you watch for? If you're gonna watch? If you we're gonna watch one Kentucky game and you wanted to see Fortner go against the best of the best in the SEC? Which game would you want? Well, considering this, Kentucky is in the SEC East, which means every year they have to play the Georgia Bulldogs. Georgia had the best defense, so I would want to watch the game. That's the one. And I went and watched that game

because that's the best defensive line. Mean, you're you're you're essentially watching Kentucky play against an NFL future NFL caliber defensive line. Okay, three of those guys got drafted extremely high in the first all of them pick first round picks. Five on the defense, three on the defensive line. Right, and here's the crazy thing. Okay, here's really what's crazy. JP the best one that they got up front in Athens,

it's still in Athens, were night. That's crazy. How did heat fair like against the guys I thought he did really well there. Now, there was a couple instances where Jalen Carter, Okay, threw him a little bit, happens, it does happen. But the overall performance that he had in that game, I thought put it this way. After I watched that game, it changed my thinking about when he

could become the starter after watching that. He's strong, he's aware, he's smart, He's got very good balance, rarely, if ever on the ground. He uh plays the game, I think with great adaptability. So in other words, when and and BASSELLI was one of the best guys at this and because Tony always understood what the player that he was going against was or was not. For example, if he was going against a guy that had great power, okay, he's not gonna try to finesse the guy. He knew

that the guy was gonna play with power. It's it's understanding your opponent. When you watch Fortner play the game, especially against Georgia, you could tell that he understood the assignment. He understood the players that he was assigned to block, so he knew how to approach them. And I thought he did a very good job. And it wasn't perfect because Georgia's got some really good players up there. But I thought it was an excellent performance. And here's the thing.

I think that was a little bit surprising in that game because you're watching Georgia and Kentucky play, here's a great opportunity at watching Trayvon Walker and he's on that team. He had a quiet game in that game. I mean, he was okay, but it wasn't one of those games where you go, wow, you know that guy, he was really good. It was just kind of an okay game.

But I will I will say Fortner had a had an excellent game and it made me and I liked the size of him when he blocked for the Georgia Bulldogs, which is a player that sometimes which By the way, he was the what overall pick for the Philadelphia Eagles

and what's his name? Ninety nine it was, which went to Green Bay and then he had nine nine Jordan and okay, and then nine who went to Green Bay late in the first round when everybody was thinking they would take a wide receiver because they wanted to appease Aaron Rodgers, but they didn't. They took number ninety five from the Georgia Bulldogs. The other defensive tackle DeVante Wyatt. Okay, Partner did a very good job on both of them. But man, when Jordan Davis wants to play sometimes in

games he can tear everybody up. But he didn't. He did not against Fortna Fortner handling. That's good news, very because he's gonna be playing. I like that every week. Um, we'll come back in a moment. Well, I look around the National Football League. Also here from Jaguars GM Trent Baulky, Who is it? With John Osier earlier today on the ozone podcasts Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. As evaluators, we can't get caught up in in the xs and ohs. You know, we're caught up in the

Jimmy's and Joe's. If you will, that's nothing. You say a lot. You bring a player in and it's apt to the coach to using right. Yeah, you know one phrase I you know, I take from coach Parcels all the time, as you can't coach the team when you're a GM or you're an evaluator. It's not your job,

it's not your role. Let's let the coaches coach and find players that fit what they want to do from a schematic standpoint, you know and and trust that once you give them a player that can do certain things, they're gonna ask that that player does those things and keep them away from things that he maybe doesn't do well. And that's I mean again, it's just the collaborative effort that you go through to make sure you're getting the right players that fit your your your organization from a

cultural standpoint and a physical standpoint. That is General Manager Trim Bulky on the ozone podcast earlier today, Available now on Jaguars dot com. Click the podcast link at the top of the page slugs or subscribe on the official Jaguars podcast network on iHeart Radio, iTunes, Spotify, er wherever you download your pods and leave us some comments and a five star rating while you're at it. What did

that fox start be good? An interesting comment there by Trent Balking and one thing that I would I would uh because he talked about how when you when you give a coach a player, you want to make sure that he's doing the things that he does best, which is true. But the one thing that I would add to that and at sometimes what happens in the process of working with a new player. There's a discovery part

of it. When I say there's a discovery part of it, you may learn something about the player that you didn't know from working firsthand with him. You may discover that he also has a skill set that might be good at doing some other things that might be doing, might be doing things on top of what you evaluate and hey, look he really does X. Well, Look he also might

do X and Y and then F really well. So you could expand or even you would understand that maybe you thought he does X very well and what you envisioned him doing for you, well, then you get him and you say, well he can do X, but he does why better? I mean, sometimes there's things that you don't know about a prospect that you learn while working with him. And so I would add that to Trent Balking. That's part of what the coaching staff role is because and when he says it has to be a what

did he say? That was the term collaborate of effort Very true because it's not just about Okay, here's the player and he has to do this. The coaches also have to be able to look at the player and say, look, we really like what he does and what you kind of envisioned, but we also like him in this role. It's up to the coaches to end up making that decision.

Let's take our weekly look. If you're watching on Jaguars dot Com or Jacks social media outside of t I a a bank field at the Football Performance Center construction process. There's some walls going up, they're moving some more dirt around. They're digging a couple of big holes in the ground for apparently pools in the one part of the center and uh, we're on track, man. There we go um training camp, they'll be ready to roll. That's ah, that's a lot of work, a lot of work. And I

can tell you this, they're working incredibly hard JP. I don't know if they're I mean they work from early in the morning until well into the even name weekends. There they've been going and there's a lot of people putting a lot of hours in to make that happen. It's looking good looking forward to the final product as well, and not this coming training camp, but the training camp after and renderings are are really neat. It's gonna be one of the best in the league. And there's uh,

there's some great ones in the league. I remember years ago when when I went to the Atlanta Falcons facility and the Atlanta Falcons would I mean, they were on the cutting edge. They had this new expanse of facility that when you looked out, it looked out on the giant expanse of fields, and then you had all of these apartments wrapped around the field down at the bottom, Like, what in the world is all that. Well, that's where

they all stayed for training camp. They had housing for players for staff and uh, I was like, wow, that's different. And then we had the opportunity not long ago to see what the Minnesota Vikings did. Wow, that's impressive. This will be the arms race has entered the NFL. That's right, and the Jags are in it now, which is a good thing. Let's go around the NFL quickly. Some big

nuggets from around the league from the Associated Press. The NFL said Wednesday it will appeal a ruling denying a request to move John Gruden's lawsuit against the league from a public courtroom into a closed door arbitration so it stays in the public court. Gruden's lawsuit accuses of the NFL of leaking his emails to force him to resign last October. So there you go. Yeah, the league is not happy about that decision, I can. I can assure you of that. They were. We're hoping that it would

be moved behind closed doors. Colin Kaepernick gotta work out with the Las Vegas Raiders yesterday, no where yet on out when he hasn't played in the NFL and over five years. He had a free agent visit with the Seahawks and may have seventeen through in front of some NFL scouts at halftime of the Michigan spring game this past April. Of course, Jim Harbaugh is there, last played with them. Yeah, that's gonna be an interesting situation to watch.

Could uh could a team? I mean, if I were to pick the perfect place for Kaepernick with his skill set, because he's I view him as a running quarterback. I mean, wouldn't a great fit be Baltimore behind Lamar Jackson? I mean, wouldn't the scheme fit him perfectly? If he were to have he can still run like I mean, if if he could do the same things that he once did, Can he still run like that? I don't know, I don't know. Five years out, it's a long time some

leagal rule changes. Players designated for a turn from the reserve injured list are now four games, not three to come back on the on the regular roster. It was the number of changed to you. You're allowed I think eight eight players that you can bring back from me who to reserve. Practice squads are now sixteen players, up from fourteen. You can elevate individual players from the squad to the game day roster a maximum of three times per season now rather than two. Yeah, and and and

that's smart. You should be able to do that. I mean, if you've got them on practice squad, why would you not have the ability to utilize them for for competitions. I mean, it just makes no sense. And here's the other reality the league. The original design of the expanded practice squads was was a reaction to COVID. COVID. Okay, well now that I want to say they are beyond COVID, but they're still dealing with some of the the implication

ramifications of COVID. It's still there. But here's the reality. There's two other leagues under spring. The league wants to make sure that they keep more roster spots open for players. I'll do it for our program today. Brent Reaber, Joe Fortunado, that's Jeff Lagoman. I'm JP Shadrick. Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend. We'll see you next time as Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network st