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Yeah that's not accurate either, but yeah, welcome in Jack. What is what is Jame P stand for? James Patrick? Do we have to one of those? Is right? We're not going anywhere until you well? Alright, So we've got plenty of other discuss James Ball, Jared Patrick. Jared Patrick like so you and the guy from Subway shared the comment no no no no no no no no no no no no no. You might want to back that train on up, buddy. This is Jaguars j Tony Boselli,

Jerry Judy. Here's what's coming up on the program called Well and Maron Quick Talking Called Well Maron return communication will be improved, they say, we'll hear from those guys coming up the off season schedule. We're there now, So what's coming up in the next month or two, including the NFL Draft. The build up begins that Jack's have

two first round picks here in nineteen. Let's start off with the press conference from earlier this week on Tuesday, Dave called well general manager, trying to get those players to help out the coaching staff. We could help coaching staff by making better decisions and the guys we bring in for them, and and also really supporting our players that we have here. And I think we'll have the coaching staff, head coach Doug Maron trying to get everybody

collaborative effort coming into one decision. I'd like to create this this environment. What what you're looking at is, as you're focused on myself, Dave and Shot because we report the book, what what we've talked about of doing is, you know, making sure that it's not just the individuals

that are able to communicate directly with each other. We're talking about taking you know, our coaching staff, with our scouting staff, you know, with with and really putting it in a in a true, true partnership where we're meeting and talking and doing that and coming to decisions. I think that Dave would agree, and and I've been a part of it before, is that when we when we do that, you know, things become clear on exactly what

the vision is that we want. So my responsibility as a head coach is to be Okay, this is the this is what our philosophy is, this is what we want to do, This is what we want to be as a football team. This is how we want to play offensively, defensively as special teams. Outline that give a clear picture of exactly what we believe we need. Okay, in communication with Dave and his department and really coming

fold as one. So the press conference was fairly lengthy on Tuesday, after announcement from Jaguar's owners dot Com about ten o'clock. The announcement came down the press conference at three o'clock. And I will hear a little later today from some other thoughts from that press conference. Yes, Tony, So I was in El Paso for the press conference. I didn't see it, and I've seen clips of it now and everything else. It's shocking to me, like shocking

that they weren't already doing that. I mean, isn't that what you're supposed to do? And how you build a team that as when you're picking players, you're picking players based on what the coaching staff has lined out, the type of players they want, they need, is the system we're going to run. This is what we want and

everyone is working together towards the goal of winning a championship. Well, I think I think when you listen to that and then you you read the reports that was I think not long after the Tom call from press conference where the reports between scouting and coaching was toxic I think was the word that was used. I think just listening to the press conference, I think it was very apparent that that wasn't going on before. But didn't that shock you? Yeah?

Very much? So, I mean I would like assume that's how like, that's how it happened. I cover a bunch of games throughout the year outside the Jaguars and talked to a lot of people and coaches and every everyone else from front office people, and that's just like how I was done. It's done. Give you an example because arguably one of the most respected personnel guys in the National Football League. Is Ozzy Newsome right? That Hall of Fame executive sat down with him three weeks ago for

twenty five minutes talking to him. Uh and I and one thing he said, and he said it before in the past, and it has always stuck with me, is that you all, you never draft somebody that the coach doesn't want to coach, he said, because it it's it's a it's a disaster for failure immediately, because if the coach doesn't want the player to begin with, where is

it going to go. So you want you want a player that the coach wants to coach, which means that you have to get some of his input on that player and also what type of player that guy needs to be. And uh so, yeah, I mean I was with you, Tony, and then I was very surprised that that that was I mean, they didn't say it didn't happen before, but I think by them talking about it now, it's very apparent that that wasn't going On another they did say it wasn't happening. Doug Groan said, this is

what I want, which you I'm shocked. I mean, that's

surprising that that wasn't happening before. I mean, most scouting staffs and coaches become essentially scouts with most teams in the off season for a period of time to where they have to write reports that they sit in on the meetings where where you're kind of stacking players positionally correct, I mean, and and that's how most organizations that we absolutely and at the bare minimum, the coaching staff meets with the personnel people, going over every position and saying, here,

the metrics, here the what we want. This is what we're looking for. A corner that's about six foot, he's got this kind of lank, he's got this kind of speed, you know, etcetera, etcetera. Same thing with offensive line. Hey, we want to right guard that is a bulldoze or he doesn't need to pull much because our left guard is gonna pull more our right tackle. Here's what we need. I mean, So you're you're given kind of physical and athletic requirements to the scouting staff so that you can

run your systems. How do you jump start that though it hasn't been happening. That's gonna be interesting because if it hasn't happened before, then you're you're essentially you're essentially breaking new ground going forward. Um, So it's gonna take a collaborative effort. It's gonna take a lot of effort on both sides. It's gonna take a lot of time because I mean, that's a relationship from all appearances, that wasn't there before. So now you have to build that

because relationships just don't. They don't happen overnight and then don't you don't say all of a sudden, Okay, now that we both report to the owner and we have to work together, now we're just gonna do it. I mean, there's got to be a trust, there's got to be a system in place to where to where that that can be positive and thrive. And so that's a big

challenge for this organization going forward. It certainly is, and it'll be interesting, interesting next few months for this Jaguars organization. Doug Maron said that the coaches are off until the thirteenth of January, a little time away, which the evaluation of that. He said, it's not done either. When the coaches get back, they'll be a little more evaluation of

his staff. Well, I think most teams, I think the smart coaches or head coaches or organizations I think are smart and that you let your coaching staff kind of step away to detach a little bit of emotion from the season, away from it, and then and then come back and then apply yourself again and and give yourself maybe a I don't want to say an unemotional approach to the evaluation, but a little less emotion certainly can be good sometimes when you're value about trying to be

trying to give an honest assessment of your players. And look, if something is fresh on your mind about a j P. If you're my MIC linebacker and the last game you screwed up something and I told you three times about during the course of the week of practice, I might give you a bad grade for the season just because I told you three times. I'm still mad, you know. So allowing the coaches to detach a little bit this

case can be good. Well, no, it can go the other way too, just because like I always think, the danger of Week seventeen is is putting too much into it one way or another. Because when two teams are out of it, that's the game on Sunday was and you saw throughout the league crazy things happen. I always say week one, Week seventeen, or the two weeks that don't put too much stock into anything. Week one you get crazy games. It's the first time, first time you're

game planning everything else. In the week seventeen, you have guys with different motivations out on the field because you know guys that you know, we're just out there just trying to protect themselves, not to get hurt. Guys who are you know, want to make a great last impression, and everything in between. And so if you put too much into that one game, the same thing as Jeff said, is on the negative side or the positive side, you can either undervalue or overvalue a where you are as

an organization but also individual players. And I think so it's critical you gotta step back and you have to be able to take an honest I think the honest reflection and honest assessment where you are as an organization, where you are at certain positions on the roster and

everything else. And I think the really good and the great organizations are masters at that that they are able to sit back and to make an unemotional evaluation of where they are from a from the top all the way to the bottom, every part of the roster and make decisions based on what it's going to take to become a great organization to win a championship, because that's

all that matters at the end of the day. The only thing you should be striving for is to be on the stage at the beginning of first week of February, hold hold on the Lobarty Trophy. I mean, that's all that matters at the end of the day. And so the danger is a lot of times and I think it's happened here. I mean, is you overvalue you you You're you you you, And I think it happens all the time throughout the NFL that you're not honest with yourself of where you sit and what you need to

do to take the next step towards a championship. You make a decision, you believe in that decision so much, and then it may not work like you had thought it, but you believe it to. Could it could be It could be a lot of different things that you believe in or overbelieve in. UH. It could be UH an overvalued assessment of coaches. It could be undervalued assessment of coaches. It could be an overvalued assessment of players. Or an under the value undervalued assessment of players. It can it

can mean a lot of different things. Well, I think a great analogy in the business world all the time, I've heard this multiple times and been around it is never fall in love with the deal, because as soon as you fall in love with the deal, you stop looking at all the wards and all the problems and everything else, and you've conveyed the alternatives or the alternatives, and you convince yourself that you're so in love with this deal or this transaction or this product or anything else,

that you are blinded to all the things that are you know, good, bad, ugly alternatives other ways, and you'll end up doing it or making a decision just because you've you've committed that this is what you're gonna do, and you fall in love with it. And that's the danger, I mean. And it's a real talent to be able to step back, be unemotional about it, and look at the situation and say I'm gonna I'm gonna evaluate this

every day until the end. And it's hard. It's hard because I mean, you're you're invested human nature, you know, I mean, it's it is, it's human nature. I mean, it's uh, it's it's no different than like an official that you're hoping that is impartial. But human nature is

human nature. You know, things influence you and and certainly I don't think anything influences you more when it when it affects you directly, or that you're trying to evaluate a decision that you made in the past, you know, will that be a as a coach or as as a player or as a personnel guy. I mean, sometimes you look, you've got skin in the game, and when you've got skin in the game, sometimes it's it is hard. It's hard to be honest, and it's hard to be

subjective and impartial. We're back in a moment and we'll delve into some of the personnel, including Unique and Goe and what his future could hold with And I think that's the perfect thing to start off with when we come back, because much like we're talking about being impartial,

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hopefully we can get that done. Um, you know, that's where he's here for a long period time. Dave Coldwell, Jaguarro Jaguars general manager, in a Tuesday press conference in Jaguars Happy Hour rolls along J. P. Shadrick with Jeff Lagavan and Tony Boselli. Priority number one in this offseason. Yanniken gotkwa, you heard it from the general manager. That's um, that's the top of the list. That's the first thing that he said they want to get done somehow. How

do they get it done? I don't. I think I would probably debate whether that would be number one. UM, for me, the the continuation or the search for a franchise quarterback should always be priority number one. And I said just before that until you know you have one, you cannot rest, and that you need to continue to search and to try to find that guy, however that may be. And I think right now that you feel good about your quarterbacks, as Doug said in the press conference,

and that you've got two guys. Were in the past you maybe felt like you didn't even have one. But I don't think you've sit there and are going, oh, we've got two franchise guys, you know. So for me, the search for for a franchise quarterback should be priority number one. So that said, how do you and what do you get done with unique? And guy? Wait, if

you can get something done? He turned down nineteen million last year, uh, which I think with about fifty million dollars guaranteed, forty eight million dollars guaranteed something like that. I can't remember. I can't remember exactly. I don't I don't know what the guarantee was. But Tony looking at Lawrence's contract with the Dallas Cowboys, he was like a five year, hundred five million, and I want to say

that guarantee was in a fifty million range. So I mean so so I mean, for Godway, you're looking at in the future going forward. I mean turned down what nineteen a year, whatever the reporter guarantee was. But I mean, I would think that the deal is not going to be less than what DeMarcus Lawrence or what Frank Clark got.

I mean that I think that's your starting point. And for for an organization that doesn't want to have anything reflect negative negatively upon them and want to give the impression, hey, look, we're trying to do everything we can to win and to get out of the seller of the NFC South, I think that creates a little bit of pressure to sign a guy like Yon Nike and Gockway. Uh And is that is that right or or wrong? I'm not

It's not the position you want to be. First of all, you never should sign a guy for pr sikes or because you're afraid of looking bad or anything. And I'm not saying that they're going but I mean, well, I'm just I mean what you just said, if that's true, and we're speculating because neither of us know, but I don't think you ever make a decision on any player because of what the fans want, or what the perception

is or anything else. You only sign you like. For me, you signed you Uniken Gockway for whatever the number is gonna be, if it's twenty one million dollars, million dollars, only if you feel like he is a dominant player at his position that will help you win a championship. That's the only reason you signed him, no other reason. There's not another reason in the world. You sign Union Dockway.

Now if you believe that, and that's what this organization if Doug because according to the what we've heard now is he doesn't have a much higher say and in personnel moving forward. So if Doug and Dave and then ultimately shot, if they determine that Uniken Gockway is a guy that's gonna help them win a championship and he's a dominant player at the defense end of position, then you go pay him the number that it takes to get him signed. And if you don't, then you don't

sign him. I don't care what anyone thinks. I don't care what we think. I don't care what the national media thinks. I don't care what the fans think. I don't care what any of those people think. If you're sitting in Dug and Dave's. You don't make the decision based on what we talk about. You can make a decision if we think it's the dumbest thing ever. Who cares You have a conviction that this is the guy

that helps us become better it don't sign him. Otherwise, if you if you completely ignored money, you want you want him back, period. You take a levet of those guys. I mean, oh my god, he does everything to write. And let let me say this. If there was any player on this Jaguar's roster that that if they shut it down somewhat in that last game against the Cults, that I might understand it a little bit. It would

have been in gock Way and he did. I mean, we're talking about a guy who, if he has a significant injury of some kind in this last game, could cost himself literally sixty million guaranteed dollars. Let me repeat that, if he had to sustain a significant injury, he could have cost himself a guarant teed sixty million dollars from one injury, because some teams would have wanted to have him come back on a one year proven deal if he blew an a c L or whatever. So you

would think the guy might be a little cautious. Well, I mean a perfect example is on the fall on the Calls fumble that he chased Jacoby Brissette down, which we're gonna show on Jaguars all excess tonight. He's on the ground, he jumps up, he throws his body around to make the calls fumble and tackle on Jacoby Brissette and the ends up hitting another guy. But he's stolen himself around to make a big play. This is a guy that could lose sixty million dollars and he's stolen

himself around. Give me that guy ten times over every time, you know. So, I mean, I understand why he's a party because that's the type of player that you want to have. He's a he's a uh edgy type of guy. The coaches love how he prepares um. He's different and he makes big plays, and man, you want to find a way to keep him. But everything has got to be within reason and what's best for the organization. You don't just go here's the checkbook and you write what

it's gonna take. Yeah, I mean, you just can't do that. The first day to designate franchise players is February. The deadline to designate those players is March ten. The new league year begins March. That's so that's something they have in the back pocket. Guys nate him on the first day. You can first day you got, I mean, and he'll be upset and I get why. Um, but you have to use it for a levite standpoint and the organization, because one you want to have more time to negotiate

a long term deal. Business is business, and it's business just like it's for Yon business business. He has to make a business decisions with that is best for him and he's earned that right. He's played great football for four years. He took a gamble. He came back this year. He played. His tail off was hurt earlier the year. I think it affected some of his numbers from a stack production with that hamstring the first few weeks, and he played through it. He played through it. He complaint.

He never made the contracting issue. He was not a locker room issue. He was, like Jeff said, he played his tail off at the end. Um, He's the type of guy one on my football team if I was the coach or in charge of building this team. Um. And so you have to use the tag if you can't come to a deal before then. And once you use the tag, now you have some leverage because you can either sign him to a long term deal you

can force him to play for that number. It's the tag is probably gonna be seventeen eighteen million dollars over the cap. Dot Com hasn't projected his nineteen nineteen point three, So that's your baseline starting negotiations for paying he's getting at least nineteen point three million a year. That's the minimum. That's and uh, and they really take the second year

into account, and that's your guaranteed money minimum. Ye in the second year, if they franchised him again, it would be another above that, I believe, so there'll still be twenty three. So your minimum guaranteed you're gonna have to pay unique is fifty million. Basically, then I'm that's starting.

That's just that's like like like your first offer can't be below that has probably ten to fifteen percent higher than that because if you're on um, but you have to tag him because you have leverage to force him to play that number, you have leverage to give you more time to work out a long term deal. And finally, if you can't, you have the leverage to trade them and get a first round draft which he would have to sign, right he would have to sign the franchise

tag to be traded. Yes, I believe so, but no, that would be out. So you have to use it. Um Again, I'm with Jeff. Do I want him on the team? Yes, but you you have to. I mean, this team has salary cap issues right now. It is over the cap going in the next year, meaning you're gonna have to cut, which I'm sure we'll talk about here in a little bit some starters. Guys. Who are starters that you counted on this year? Is your front line guys, You're going to have to cut or get

them to restructure in a major way. And so you just can't just start going to write a check for twenty two in dollars a year to yawn until you figure that side out. And in that process you have to sit back and say, not just for this coming year, but for the next three to four years, are we willing to as an organization to put a cap number in the high in the mid twenties or the low

twenties on our pass rusher. That's the question you have to ask, and you have to it's a big it's a it's a puzzle, it's a you have to look at the allocatian resources and that's going to allocate to that position. That's that's you know, that's what it is. And you already have to the other defensive end. I don't know what the number is for Josh Allen's rookie deal, but it's probably about nine or ten years, isn't it.

I don't know what that is. That's a great question. Uh, rookie deal, I mean should not be anything that's crazy. Five years. JP's gonna stand four years. The four year numbers. What's five year? I mean it's a five year deal. Yeah, but right now you're only locked in for the fourth locked in four, but it's gonna be five. Your cab numbers on four an option here, and the way he's growing right now, you've already picked the option of if you could do it for Josh Allen, cap hit five

point one, captain nine five point one. So I mean that means what's your cap hit next year? You got that six point two one, but it's five point one. So here's it's very simple. So you do you want to allocate or thirty million dollars at the defense and end position for your starters. And that's I mean, that's a question. It's it's a big picture. It's not it's not a crazy philosophy to build around guys like that,

not at all. I'm not saying it is. But considering everything else that that's gone out from this football team and the salary cap over the last few years, you got to let me go back to when when people like the Rams Rams and in a pretty tough spot because they traded away a lot of their draft capital and five guys and a a hundred eight million dollars of the cap. Okay, So when you have that kind of top heavy salary cap, I guess you could say until so now you need to find a way to bring

in your lower cost employees. I means you have to figure out the other forty eight guys for a hundred millions, Okay, So you're you're lower cost employees come in in the form of rookies, okay. And then that rookies comes in typically in the draft, and if you're not getting them via draft picks and you're getting them as undrafted rookie free agents. So where are the Rams right now trying to be able to counteract that top heavy salary cap. They're in a tough position now, and to be perfect

honest with your next couple of years, they're screwed. They're screwed. What are they gonna do? According to less Need, he says, They're fine, You're gonna sign Ramps fired and somebody else is gonna have to clean the mess up. And then they're gonna get fired because they didn't clean it up quick enough. And then whoever comes in after that point, then we'll have a decent job in a new stadium next year and a really big new stadium. Yes, they gotta fill This is years down the road that all

this is gonna happen. I'm gonna take a couple years for the Rams to realize what are we doing? What? Why do we give up a two first round picks in the fourth round pick for a guy that didn't play in the last game because he said I had a knee injury, and then and then he ended up selling out his teammate. They're gonna go what are we doing?

And then when they realized that they can't off set the explosive cost over an ag and running back and a quarterback who didn't justify the number that you gave him. They've got no way to counteract it, you know, and and the Jaguars have the resources to be able to to do that. Let's come back, we'll talk the quarterback position and we'll touch on some of those guys that could be kept casualties for the Jars especially, I think is one. It's really interesting, and that's and in the

summer summarize John. We all want him back, and the sense he's a great player. Yes he's he's the type of guy you want. It's the question is is what are you willing to pay? What makes sense? That's right back in a moment is Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Tito's Haymade Vodka is America's original craft vodka. Tito Beverage set out to build a micro distillery, incorporating elements of artists and craftsmanship from boutique wineries into the

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as to what that's gonna look like. But we feel good about Gardner and moving forward with him. Dave cold Will, Jaguars general manager, the press conference Tuesday discussing the quarterback position and Gardner Minshew the second Nick Foles on the roster. Of course, this is Jaguars happy R J P Shadrick, Jeff Flagum, and Tony Boselli. The aftermath of the press conference on Tuesday, cold Will and own or back kind of made the annassment about ten o'clock Tuesday, the press

conference with those two at three o'clock that day. And now the coaches are gone for a couple of weeks or so. They'll be back in the thirteenth and then the off season can really commence from there. But the quarterback position, as you said, Logs, you feel this priority number, well, I think it should be. And look, I'm not trying to to undervalue what Gardner Minshew has done. I think

he's had. He was the best rookie quarterback in an incredible year and seriously should have been considered for NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. I mean really, I mean look, look look at his numbers. One games, he won games, he came back and won two games himself. I the

winner is gonna be uh. I think the running back Josh Jacobs is going to get the probably, Yeah, but I know that there's a couple other publications slash websites to come out with their picks and uh, Minshew hasn't won any of them yet, and Josh Allen hasn't won any of them because Bo has been getting obviously better team. I think it is going to get you there. And he was a higher pick and he's a really good player. I mean to try to pick between Josh Allen Nick Boss,

I mean, you don't go wrong either way. I think they're both great players. If you're looking at Kyler Murray and Minshew, if you look at the numbers, I mean, Minshew has been better and uh so more wins, more touchdowns. I'm not trying to discount what Gardner Minshew has been

able to do this year. But I think if if you stand pat at the quarterback position and take the approach of the hey, look, we feel good about where we're at, and we feel good enough to the point where where we're not going to look at addressing the quarterback position via the draft or free ancy. I don't think you can do it during free anc anyway, But if you feel like you're not going to address it

in in the draft, I think that's a mistake. I think you always have to be open to doing that, as I said before, and tell you know you have the guy. I mean, you may feel good about Minshew, but do you know would you use the would you use the sixth over I guess we're at six more,

ninth overall pick Tony. I said I would do it last year, right, I mean we we had this conversation last year in the draft, and I think we talked about I think it was Haskins and and and well, I mean, who knows what Haskins is gonna become, but it's a it's an interesting conversation. I said last year that yes, I would consider drafting a quarterback, even though the Jaguars had spent the money in free agency on

Nick Foles. So here's the balance of this too. It This was asked kind of in the press conference a little bit, they've got to win, called well on Maro Own, they've got to win next year. They've got to be a playoff team next year. Right, If you draft a quarterback in the first round, ninth overall and expect him to go out and get you to the playoffs? Is that thinking too much of that? Guy? Yes? Was the

balance of they're not sure of the organization versus next year? Well, that's I think that question depends who you're asking, darn right, it is well that question was actually posed during the press conference and called Wells felt that that was that was his job in ownership's job to balance that, to provide balance in that instance. And again, I mean that that's hard. It's hard to do that because going back to what we talked about before, there is skin in

the game. And if you're giving a win now mandate, you know, what are you gonna do? And so and I'm not saying that they were given a win now, man, we were. The expectation is they've got to show improvement whatever that is. So uh so, yeah, I mean that's that's a tough thing to accomplish. And uh and look, I don't know the draft as far as quarterbacks, so

I'm not an expert. Now I know that there's one of them that is I've seen two points pretty good Joe Burrow, Joe Burrows pretty good act I've seen three Joe brow to uh how came saying his last that's all I'm going with you. And then Herbert from Oregon I already looked really good in the ballgame. I didn't watch it well, stats were terrible. I was on a plane, so I didn't see it. Maybe I'm wrong, No, no, but all the report I read, the same reports that

he looked like he's the real deal. Rookies at other positions can have more of an immediate impact, though, unless your name is Andrew Luck or I guess r G three had a big impact this first Historically it doesn't work out. And well, Lamar Jackson. Here, here's a perfect example. Lamar Jackson was taking thirty first in the NFL pick. They were an organization that looked like possibly making a

change of the head coach. Seven seventh straight or sixth like that, got won the division and gotten to play. So rookie quarterback not common, but rookie quarterbacks can, I mean, special ones can make a difference. But here, here, here, let's look at the Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean, look at the Hall of Fame quarterbacks. I mean, look out, how many of them have had that kind of an impact in the rookie season. Montana l A, Marina Marino pretty good? Uh, but yeah, I mean not many guys

came in and had that impact. So it's it's it's pretty rare for that position. I'm with Jeff, I think you always draft a guy until you have the guy that you know he's the guy. And even then, even when you know you have the guy, you brand need the draft one every two or three years in the middle of the back end. Um, But did you see Chris Ballard's comments today on Jacoby Brissette, And I thought it was pretty good and that he was asked about about Jacoby Brissett and he said, you know, we're just

not comfortable. We still feel like we've got a lot of work to do at that position, said, we need to be better in the passing game. Jacoby has to be better, We have to be better as coaches. I have to be better to provide more weapons for Jacoby Brissette. And I liked his answer and that he was very noncommittal. He didn't say that, look, you know, I feel good about Jacoby Brissette. He didn't say I feel bad about

Jacoby Brissette, said look, we got work to do. And uh And I think when you I mean that that that I think is a really honest assessment of where they're at. And it's very fair and I don't think that's in any way demeaning from the general manager Ballard down to Brissette. I think it's that's just that's reality, right,

and it's honest. And I thought that that was was a good way to go about the only reason I would not take a quarterback at nine this year from what I've seen of the work I've done, I think what will be there at nine, Like, I'm only taking the guy at nine if I'm convinced, if if I'm David doug And and shod and due through the evaluation, like this guy is the and so we're taking him. If he falls the nine, we're taking him. Other than that, I think this roster has way too many holes. I guess,

way too many holes. And I think you need to. I think you need to if it was me the first three picks or first four picks. Let's say that your two first, your two, and your three and no order, because I haven't done any work on the draft either, but you need offensive line defense into your defensive line, middle, linebacker, tight end. Those are like major holes on this quarterback. And I would I would argue, I would argue defensive first, you gotta stop that run somehow. You have to have

best player first. You have to fix the interior of that defense. Defense, tackle, middle, lineback. Um, the combination of I'm with Jeff, with Jeff as well, if a franchise left tackle sitting there at nine, you take him, take them more. More mistakes have been made in the draft trying to pick need than than best player. Yeah, you need. I mean no, I'm not just picking best player. I'm not picking I don't care if the best player in the world's at wide receiver, I'm not or running back.

I'm not picking him ninth. I think as Jerry Judy and if he's here on the eight crow. But I said the same thing in seventeen when Jared whatsever his name is, j J J that's whatever, whatever, That's why we're not gonna pick him, or we might who knows, um, But that's why I wouldn't at nine right now, having done no college work, just watch college football this year, would not pick a quarterback right there. Um, As far as Gardner Mintshew, I thought it was funny, no decision

has been made. But then at the last comment was we feel good about Gardner? Minshew never mentioned Nick Foles at all. Well, the question that, to be fair, was asked specific about Okay, but he delved into the quarterback position Um, that's fair then. Uh. The bottom line is this, The facts are the facts. Gardner Minshew was the best quarterback in the NFL workie quarterback in the NFL this year.

If you would have been a first round draft pick, everybody in this country, in this city, in the NFL community would be saying, boy, the Jaguars found their guy, but Ricky in the back, coming in on a roster that's not very good, winning six games during twenty one touchdowns, nine interceptions over six completion percentage, everybody would be saying, based on no tight end on the roster, um, you know, a bunch of some issues as far as protection at

the offensive line, maybe saying he's the guy. I mean, that's what they would be saying, because they're saying in New York with Daniel Jones right now, they're excited about him. Arizona is a static ecstatic with Kyler Murley Murray. He

was better than both of them. What doesn't though, when you're higher draft back, a first round quarterback, is the focus a little more on your mistakes like the mistakes that Gardner made if he was the first round because the expectations are higher, so the concentration is higher numbers. Look at the numbers and nine. I'm just saying, like the it could be a different um approach to criticism

of him. I don't disagree. But as you look at it where you sit Kyler Murray won five games, Daniel Jones won three games, UH, Dwayne Haskins won two or three games, and you have UH with Gardner Mins who win six games. I don't think anyone will argue, at least at this table right now or across the league, that the Jaguars roster was better than those other teams. I don't know. But what I'm saying but is it

was it remarkably better Jeff, based on what you know. Yeah, I'm not saying it's worse, but I'm just saying, but it's in it. So you look at his touchdown to interception ratio better than all of them. You look at his completion percentage right in the same area, which is not good enough. It's not good enough, but it's right in the same areas these other rookies. And so that's where I think if you look at gardnerments, you're like, Okay,

I'm not convinced he's the guy. By the way. That's why I'm picking a quarterback at some point in this draft, but I'm not convinced he's not either. I'm with you, so it's it's unknown. All right, let's come back in a moment. We will discuss wild card weekend that's coming.

Let me just say this because when I think when and what you don't want to get into is a situation where you've been in before, which is where like where you're at with borders and seventeen essentially extending him and then and then you don't end up miss you passing somebody because you think you have them. That's what you're saying. Yeah, so I mean you you didn't maybe take three guys in that year and then the next year that could have been guys. And so that's what

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not even cool. It's eighty one degrees tomorrow. By the way, I know not not gonna last very long though, So do you have it wild Card weekend? Some teams playing postseason football this week. The Jaguars are not among them. Of course, they're eliminated. They're out. The wild Card weekend schedule the Bills in, the Texans Saturday afternoon, the Titans and the Patriots Saturday night. Sunday it's the NFC teams, Vikings and the Saints in New Orleans and the Seahawks

and the Eagles and Philip Off. You're Tony. You have the Patriots game? Is that right? YEA been Gillette tomorrow night, and uh go watch the Titans and the Patriots play game. It'll be fun. Uh even matchup, I think, yeah. I think it's to be a close game. You know, usually you just say, as long as that the Patriots could stop Derrick Henry, they'll be fine. But you go look at the numbers and what Ryan Tannehill has done this year is remarkable. I mean, he has played really good football.

They're like the red zone proficiency is off the charts. Over. I think it's like they touchdowns, they score, um, what's his completion percentage? Well, and they gave up what round pick for Tanny Hill in the trade with the Dolphins. It was a late round pick, fourth rounder six, something like that. I mean a late round pick. Um. He's been, by far, by the way, the best quarterback acquisition of any team this season. Tannehill seventy passing this year to

a one. Yeah, it's amazing. It's like one, see what what round they gave up? But yeah, it's good. And then you know the Patriots can't are struggling to score points, so Brady A lot of talk that this will be Brady's last if they don't, if they lose, will be Brady's last game in the Patriot uniform. You think it will be? Um, Yeah, I do. I think if I think that Belichick's ready to move on, that's the sense

kind of you read between the lines. I haven't talked to anyone, but just as you read, and uh, you know, he's a free agent after this year, and I think I think belichicks here. I mean he has not I mean, Brady has not been great. Now. He doesn't have a lot of weapons either around them. But let me make this point because it's it's interesting to me because when a player gets to be a certain age and and I'll put tom Brady in this in this bag and

it also plays Campbell in the same boat. Okay, And then when they get to a certain point age wise, the first reason and to justify the performance is, oh, it's the age catching up with them, instead of maybe tom Brady's got an elbow, maybe Clariss has got a back or wrist or a knee. I mean, so I think sometimes people are quick to go it's the age. We've got to move on from this, instead of maybe having a little bit of patience with somebody and then

keeping them for another year. But I mean, age sometimes is that first reaction. So I wouldn't be conn If I'm the Patriots, I'm not sitting there going age is caught up with tom Brady. We've got to move on from him. You don't want to move on to I mean, I would roll the dice another year and say, hey, look, you know I've got a guy who's who's the goat and maybe it was just a health issue this year, and try to roll with him once again. Just like if I were the Jaguars, I would want to roll

with Claiss Campbell once again. I'd like to try to get the number a little bit more manageable because I'm gonna try to reduce his number of defensive snaps. Well, yeah, forget about but I have to get the number more manageable. Because you can't afford him under the cap to pay him. What do you do next? You'll probably find a way, Okay, but Jeff, you say that, but how are you gonna do that? Wouldn't do that? But I mean the cap right now, I mean, you have somebody's gonna be gone

and someone has to take pay cuts. Now, I'm with you. I look at You're not gonna pay him? What is his fifteen or sixteen next morning? I mean, you wouldn't do that, But I mean in a perfect world. I mean, look, you'd like to keep him. I'd like to keep him. Do what would be just fourteen and a half? The dead Caps five? Okay? Yeah, alright, so what would be a fair number? Eight? I'm with him, I'm right there with him. That was this year seventeen and a half

and the dead Caps two and a half next year? Yes, which I mean so look, I mean for how many snaps? I mean we're gonna pay We're gonna pay him how many snaps? No more than that and and pay him eight million. Now I'd be comfortable with that. Calais may not be comfortable with that. Are you comfortable with the other guys taking the snaps that he's not taking anymore? Um, what I mean, Smooth's got coming up on year four? I thought smooth. I thought Smooth took a big step

up this year. I thought he played well. I think Smooth can take on more of that role and whether or not he could perform he Look, here's the reality, GP He's not gonna be able to perform at the level that Clay has performed at this year or the year before or the year before that. It's not with that that you're not trying to replace at the same level or better with Calais's performers. You're trying to get close to it so that you can allow Claiss to still be or to go back to his level of

performance of what he was back in eighteen and seventeen. So, no, you can't place him with a guy that's gonna immediately be as good. It doesn't work that way. I mean, you've you've got defensive player. Yeah, he was awesome this year. He was good. It wasn't great. Two years ago, phenomenal three years ago. Wow, I mean arguably the best player in defense. He should have you should have won. So I mean, look at I'd love to keep him and

and hopefully you can work something out. But what is this, Uh, it would be your thirteen years old and you're talking about a guy who has made I think he's surpassed a hundred million in career earnings. So it becomes at a point where it's not about the money, although some cases it might still be. Yeah, he surpassed a hundred

million this year a hundred three billion and change. In this when I think of your class, you have to ask yourself a question your health, if you're gonna take all health, and if you're gonna take a pay cut, because regardless, even if you let him go and he still wants to play, no one else is gonna pay in fifteen sixty million dollars either do a thing no I I yeah, I wouldn't think. So it comes down

to crazy things happened, that's true. Fair enough. It comes down to if you're calaiss, do you want to take a pay cut? You still want to play? Now you have options. Let's say it's all equal I can make eight million dollars here. I can make eight million dollars a team A, B, C, and D, and then us be in the fifteam. You have to ask yourself where you are in your career. If all the money is equal and you've made a bunch of money, is what do you want? What do you want? And so comfort

Maybe I want to finish my career. I've got to have a legacy here. I'm one of the most popular players in franchise history. I can, you know, try to help transposition this team and mentor young guys and you know everything else and have a chance to you know, go to the playoffs and make them happen. But it's not as good as or I can go to another team that's you know, a playoff can tender. It's gonna one of the favorites for the you know, Super Bowl. Yeah,

and I want to get a ring. Well, now all of a sudden, you're like, well, I love Jacksonville, but I want to ring. And I think Kansas City gives me a better chance of win to ring than Jacksonville does. Or what if Denver offers wherever you know what I chanced to play. My hometown had interest before, so so we'll see. Oh. By the way, um, the Dolphins traded Tannehill and a sixth round pick this year to the Titans for a twenty nineteen seventh round pick and a

fourth round pick. There were multiple draft picks, basically a fourth round a fifth rounder, yes, yeah, like a fourth fifth round. Sad news today, former Bengals and Bucks head coach Sam White passed away seventy four years of age. He died at his home and pick in South Carolina of liver cancer. He was the head coach of the Bengals from eighty four to ninety one, in the Buccaneers from ninety two to ninety five, and had a career after that in the broadcast booth. He was. My experience

with him was kind of twofold. Bruce Coslate was my head coach when I was in New York for a time, and Bruce came from that. He was a player and coach for the Cincinnati Bengals for a long period of time, and so he came from underneath Sam White, and so I got to know Sam via Bruce and Uh and then also got to meet him a little bit when he was a broadcaster. Outstanding man, I mean top notch, top level human being coach Guy. I can't say enough good things about him. In uh in the world has

lost to Google. All right, we're back in a moment on the Jaguars Radio Network that Doug Barone show right around the corner. Thanks for listening to Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.