Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, February 2

there a hurricane coming this late. She's like no, but there was a high wind like what. And then in Pontevedra and they canceled school. I'm canceled and I left my house driving here and it was like bawling, like eighteen miles an hour and was like a breezy day. I'm like, what are we doing? It's a weird one. Here's what's kind it up on the program today. Two games in London. That's the news This week. Cohn and Lamping will hear from the Jaguars owner and the Jaguars

president front office. Edition will talk a little ball coming up, quarterback talk as well, and we'll go around the National Football League Let's start off with the big news of the week, the Jaguars taking two home games to London and consecutive weeks. The weeks and the opponents will be named later, but the bears of the Steelers games are

protected in Jacksonville. Ashland Sullivan this week asked owner shot Con why the move when I was announced as the owner eight years ago, I think I said that really my goal was to keep Jaguars and Jackson well and we will have to think unconventionally pretty much, what do we have to do to win on the field. That's paramount to us, But then we have to win off the field, which is UH to be able to generate the revenue to invest in the team, UH to help but win and play a role uh in really growth

vitality of Jacksonville. This was right at the announcement when they announced this. Nash and Sullivan, the full interview available on Jaguars dot Com did a fantastic job. Was very well done. It really was, and so check out the full conversation there. A little later in the day, the shot Con and Mark Lamping had a conference call with

local media before the announcement. This is actually before the announcement came out and Jaguars president Mark Lamping explained why now is the right time to add a second game, Competing with other teams who have radically changed their revenue expectations each year, like the Jaguars, we are entering a uncertain time. That uncertain time is related to three teams that in the past were teams that were with us in the bottom of the league in terms of revenue.

They have taken step steps that that that we would not consider, but they've taken steps to fix their revenue by leaving Oakland, by leaving St. Louis, and by leaving San Diego that had had that has had an impact in terms of all the other teams that are at you know where we are in terms of the league and in terms of of now. Um, we know that Latch, in conjunction with all the things that Shott has already invested in, those will continue to pay pay a dividends

for us. But we can't snap our fingers and get Latch open tomorrow. So as we're waiting to go from where we are now, which is Latch just a vision to it actually being being open, we need to be looking for those opportunities to supplement our revenue situation, and we believe that London fits that bill. Uh. Not only is it the right time to do it, but it's the right action. That's morth lamping on a conference call with local media just before the announcement the other day. So,

fellas there we go to home games at Wimbley. Yeah, I mean I think listen the fans. I mean, we've seen all the comments and everyone's talked about. You've heard if you listen to the radio shows and everything else about fans are upset. And one of the things, just as we have this conversation, I think it's really important to kind of level set and separate the two two things,

two aspects of this organization. One is on the field performance, two is business and UH stability of this franchise and for not just the immediate but the long term UH plan to be here in Jacksonville. And you have to separate those two. And I think sometimes in the anger and the passion, the poor performance on the field spills over to some of the decisions that are made on

the business side. And by the way, like Jeff would agree jpud degree, like everyone of this building would agree it's okay to be upset about the on field performance, like there's nothing like you should as a fan. That's what's great about our fans, it's what's great about fans of the NFL. You're passionate, you are mad, you're p ode that this team is not winning enough games. That you know, seven of the last eight years double digit losses, all the stats we've talked about at the close of

the season. And that is good, healthy anger, but you but I don't think it's right to have that anger and emotion be spilled over into a decision to go play two games in London, which if you're a season ticket holder and you come to all eight games or all seven games this past year, I get your you have one less game that you can go to. You're frustrated, that's fine, that's natural, but that it's only for the short term. This is a decision that is for next year.

There's not even an agreement long term at this point to do anything else. And if you look at the business side of it, all that shot Khan, under Mark's leadership of his direction that they have done since they've uh shod bought this team, everything is to enhance the fan experience. Everything is to enhance what is going on in the stadium around the stadium in downtown started with the scoreboards, renovation of the club building of Daily's Place,

which I don't know about everyone listening. I love, I go, I go to a bunch of shows, I mean, and I live at the beach, so I come downtown, I come here, I go to things around the state, and I go to the Daily's Place. You have a lot j that isn't hopefully on the cusp of happening, which is gonna be bring more people and more excitement. I mean, you have all these different things, hopefully shipyards one day

down the road. I mean, so you have all these amazing things happening on the business side in London is part of that strategy where we sit right now, Mark said it perfectly. The teams that had lower revenue than we did, that had revenue issues, they all their owners, who by the way, were deeply rooted in San Diego, the deeply rooted in St. Louis, and deeply rooted in Oakland. They looked at their fans and said, see you, I'm going for the better deal to create more revenue and

more value. We have an owner that's saying no, we're not going to do that. We're gonna make it work here now. We gotta get creative, and we gotta do some different things to do it, and it will evolve over time. And by the way, I'm gonna invest my own money into projects around the stadium to make this a better overall experience. And right now that means going to play one extra game in London, So two games

in London, and I get for those. Any season ticket holder who came to seven games this past year, you have to be upset if you only came to six games last year, nothing changes for it. I'm glad you're not counting preseason games. I'm just saying regular season games just rear you and you can't count you guys. You

and I both agree on prisons games. But if you came to seven regular season games last year, okay, I get you're frustrated, and you you're you If you only came to six last year, I'd love to know how many season take holders actually go to all seven games. I'm sure there's a big number. Caut loud. Well, that's fine right now, that's fine. But if it's only came to six. There's no change, nothing changed. It's just been kind of a little bit of a dog pile effect.

I think there's been uh good reason for fans to be upset because the season didn't go very well. It's two years in a row. And then you had what was perceived by many was the the the inaction or the inactive response from ownership because of two consecutive losing seasons. So you had a bad season, no change or not sufficient enough change to satisfy certain fans, the football leadership, leadership. And then now you have of your home games going abroad. I get it. I'm not good. I mean, look, but

if you but I totally get it. But you still have a fan base that's just upset about that. Look and and rightfully so. I mean, look, if this is your team, you want to see it. I mean, this is your team. You don't want them to do you want to watch it in person. I mean for the diehard people, the people, they are fans and this is their team, this is their city, this is the identity of this city. For it to be uh shipped overseas, so to speaking, that's what a lot of people term it.

They have a hard time stomaching that. And I think also to some extent, and I understand that this is temporary, but a lot of people they don't believe that it's temporary. They think that, Okay, this is just the first step. Maybe there's more on the other side. Nobody knows, And certainly many people don't think that it's gonna go back to being one or eventually none because they just don't

want to believe it. And so I think a lot of times it's just got to kind of sink in and then sometimes and sometimes in the emotion is still attached to it. And I understand that, I guess fully understand the emotion of it, but there's also a lot of reason, which Tony has been talking about there, and that there are some unique challenges in Jacksonville. That's fact. If if you want an owner that wants to be competitive from a financial standpoint, and there's nothing wrong with that. Look,

it's a business. Tony operated a business. Do you think Tony's gonna operate the business that less than capacity or less than its optimum level, or JP or me or anybody else, any business owners. It's a business decision. And look, I get that, I get that side of it. But I also understand that when it comes to passion, people don't want to have business decisions affect their passion because it just doesn't feel good. And I totally get that.

And the backdropt of this is that the it is a business decision, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a business of Jacksonville decision. That's my point. So here to keep it here. That's why. That's but here's the thing, and just real quick on that. That's that's what you're What you're saying is down the road. And sometimes it's hard for people to have the glasses that show them the future or what things look like three years down the road, four years down road, or five

years down the road. But I can tell you this, when I came here in any one of the first things I used to do because I would I live in Mandarin. Still do same place, same drive for the most part. Every day, come up San Jose Boulevard, across the Main Street bridge, take a ride on Bay Street, down past Maxwell Health, Costeep Coffee planting to the stadium. Been making that drive since nine Has that drive changed one bit since ninet No, No, it hasn't changed at all,

how many times have you heard? Though? The only thing that I've seen change it's okay, there's a there's a high rise complex there. It's a condominium, and then we have one right next to it. It's a skeleton crew that's left vacant. That's probably gonna cost the city more to tear it down. And I remember me Mangi talking about, hey, look man, we somebody should invest in this river from property.

My gosh, this will be great, be awesome. Well, the vision I think that that shot Kan has, which look, I don't even know if I even own a setic glasses that can look that far down the road, because I mean, he's his I thought it's a lot, Jay's the river front, it's a vibrant downtown. And look at the reality is, folks, and here's an opportunity. And I'm not trying to say and be a pauper for him or trying to be his publicist. I'm just telling you what Sin made that driving area and a damn thing

different about it. And I'm all for about seeing something different. I'm all for seeing about cranes in our downtown when we go to Nashville, crane that are developing downtown in Nashville. Okay, the cranes that are around Wimbley, Yes, how many cranes have we got? What what's our downtown doing. I haven't seen a crane lately, not a damn thing. And also, I me personally, I'd like to see some change. I'd like to see it get better. So, Jeff, I think what you just said is exactly what I think the

conversation should be. Be mad about the performance of the football team. None of us like it, And I get you know what, I think it's fair questions fans asked is like why were there no changes or not more of changes made? Those are all fair questions and that and you know what, you can be mad and you

can question it, and all those things are fair. What I don't think, and you can be emotionally upset because it's one more game that you're not gonna be able to see here for those of you that come to the games. So yeah, it's one less opportunity. I get that. But at the same time, we have a owner and I cannot stress this enough that is putting his money where his mouth is in the sense of Daily's places here not here when he first got here. We had

an old stadium, that old scoreboards. His his money went into those scoreboards. His money went into the the a lot of renovation of the stadium in a facility he does not own. He got that question money in the tell me the last time, Jeff, We've been here since ninety five. That someone who says I'll put up a quarter of a billion dollars or whatever the number is to develop a massive project downtown, well just already alone.

I think it's it's over million in the stadium. I got this question last night because I was on with uh Todd Haley and Zig. I think this guy is his co host man, Yeah, yeah, I'm serious x M NFL Radio last night and uh and they're like, you know, the rumors are talking about the team eventually moving to London, which you know that that pops up. I mean it's look for the people that don't know, I mean that that's part of the conversation. Like again, let me say

that again. For the people that don't know, that's part of the conversation. And so my response to that was because they weren't saying that it was, but they said, what about the people that have those questions? And I said, Okay, I said, I talk me and you work Tony j P all of us. Are we going to spend a hundred million and and making plans on spending another billion, quarter billion to half a billion or whatever it's gonna call to to do this development downtown. Oh and by

the way, we're just gonna take the team. We're gonna move with the Lune, which is the asset we're building around, right, that's the Hello. Well that's so that's where I get. And like I've had people on Twitter I questioned my love for Jacksonville and all this stuff and like whatever, they can do whatever they want. I'm actually four Sean and what he's doing on the like I questions on the football side too. By the way, right we all do.

I've said, We've got a pretty good job on the air and so but where I'm like a lock in step with what he's doing and I'm a big supporter of his vision because it makes the city I love better. I've heard about downtown for twenty five years, nothing has happened. This is like the first opportunity, like someone's actually like really ready to rock the field. And like he's like and so like do I like, would I rather all eight games being in uh, jackson Sure be great Sunday morning.

It's not home games are fun. Home, it's relaxing. But also if this is what it made like to go but it's one but at the time that it gets let out of you. But if this is part of the overall strategy to make this the permanent home of the Jacksonville Jaguars. And by the way, have an owner who's investing and wants to win off the field and make this city better. There's nothing wrong with wanting to off the field. Like I hear people all the time,

nothing wrong with that. Friends, greedy and all. If you want to question whether or not some of his moves have been the best to make when on the field happen, that's always open for debate. That's always fair. Yeah, And I've got phone calls and messages. Oh he's greedy, you know, doesn't have enough money and all this stuff. And I said, wait a second, that's not fair. Number one, he's invested

his money and he owns a business. If I was the owner of the Jaguars, I would be trying to maximize the revenue and the opportunity to make this great I wouldn't want to wake up if I was the owner of this franchise and see that was thirty second in revenue. I'm competing with the beanngals to get out and the bills to get out of the seller. That's not really what I would want. Like, I want to say, how do I become? How do I start chasing down

the top. And that's what we haven't always doing. And if it takes going to this game year, to go to two games to London, we'll see what's the future is. We don't know yet, but you know what, then that's the plan he's put it, he's invested his money. Then that's what we're gonna do. Hey, let's come back and discuss little football. How about that? There's football? No, but we're gonna We're gonna we're gonna talk about it. We'll come back planning ahead. We'll go around the National Football

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forget that it's your money. All loan subject to approval, insured by n c U A. I think change for the sake of change normally doesn't produce the results you want. And I think there are plenty of examples. You're a journalist, I think look around the league. There are plenty of teams that you know, change coaches every year every other year. Has is that a winning formula? I think so there is huge of my emotion. I mean, I love, uh

the idea of emotion. The fans care, Uh, they care because they want to have uh, you know, winning a football team. But when it's all set and done. You look at it with a rational mind. Uh, you know, the direction we're headed, I think gives us the best chance. Jaguarsoner shot Con. The full interview available on Jaguars dot com. Ashland Sullivan had the visit. It was released on the date of the announcement of the London added game this year,

and then they talked a little football as well. So first comments I think we've had publicly from shot Con about Dave Caldwell and Doug maroone coming back this year, but that was some of the rationale behind it moving ahead. So I mean, look, and I know this is actually this is the more. This is tougher than talking about

this second game to London my opinion. I do know that there are there are some media members that would like to be able to have you know, a Q and a session with Shot I mean, because I mean they want to, they want to delve deeper, they want more. But I mean SHOT's gonna give you the answer no matter how many times you ask it or how many

different ways, that's exactly what he believes. And and so no matter how many different styles or ways that you try to present it to him, that's that's his belief and and there's nothing wrong with that belief because everybody has an opinion. And do I agree with everything that he said about you know, what should have happened going for No, I don't. But that's the beauty of football.

And that's the beauty, beauty about having a passion for your football team, because if you don't have a belief, that means you don't have a passion, you don't care about it, you know. And I think all fans are no different than us that they have an opinion. And that's why there has been a very strong vocal opposition to the lack of change that happened at the end

of season. And that's and that's like, I don't know how what percentage that is, because typically the minority is more vocal than the majority, but it seems like at times that this is the majority speaking at times. But I don't know that. I mean, we're not not I don't have a poll or I don't have the ability to pull um. But look here here's the reality when he needs to happen now this year. And that's the impression that I get from listening to Sean Khan is

that this organization. Hey, Doug Morown and Dave calledwell, they need to win this year playoff team. And as Sean said, the record will tell you whether or not that this was the right decision or that his decision was the right one. That's the beauty of the NFL. Now you get a grade at the end of the year and that's your record. Well, the grades has been bad around here a lot. It has a lot of f's F D minus. Um. I agree with Jeff said, you know the reason to kill it? Uh was I surprised some

of the decisions. Sure would I maybe have done things differently, absolutely, but who like you know what like that, we'll find out the truth or what's right, what opinion is correct sometimes, you know, about eleven months from now we will know. Like what Sean said, it's like that's like one point of view saying I want stability. You know, if we're gonna go with Gardner Minshew, you believe that's what they're gonna do. Well, I don't. That's the feeling I get.

Let me ask you this. We're gonna delve into the quarterbacks a little bit later, so let's not go too deep here. But my point is thing but the other after. But I don't want to. Okay, Gardner, mit you any position named player if you feel and your strategy is having stability at the head coaching position in the GMS GM position and changing the structure, which we can get into that which is I've said on JP you and

I talked about and jeff you as well. It's shocking to me that over the last three years they haven't been working together like somehow this is some new revelation that the GM and coach is supposed to be on the same page like together. But it's a different story for a different day. Um. But his strategy is saying like this, and I believe stability is important right now and more turnover isn't gonna help us win next year. Okay, I can't like that's a point of view that the perspective.

That is one strategy. Now I can agree or disagree with the strategy, but it's a it's a sound strategy from a standpoint of a lot of people would tell you that's a good course to take, and we'll find out if it's the right course or not. Like shot said Jeffy repeated, the wins and losses will tell us because at the end of the day, one thing matters

and one thing only, and that's winning and losing. And if you have two more els th ws, well, then your strategy or the people executing your strategy are wrong. It should take typically it takes an organization to build, you know, to get to get where you want to get gone, takes three years to build, right, I mean that's typically right. Taken out about that time frame, trade argue they might have been quicker if Grappo didn't get

hurt last year. Okay, Kansas City, Uh it took him one year soon as Yeah, but I mean you got you gotta count the years that he had Alex Smith at the home. But then they made the Bullard. You look, well the first year, uh Andy backup is first year Andy took over there two and fourteen. I think that next year they were competitive at least, So it was one year for Andy. Yeah, so it's I mean it's competitive. By the way, you won the best coaches in history,

that's by far. I'm very happy for him. By the way, Uh, we haven't do we even we even have anything in there if that super Bowl when we go around the league, Okay, I just want to make sure important part of the league. But something But my point is is that you typically to to build an organization. You're talking about three years, and when you have that three year period, you better have a quarterback to be able to do that. Alright,

So can we can? You guys? Stop you right there because this hit me because I've did the game this weekend off, the past weekend, uh the Super Bowl bow. You know, the year that the Chiefs picked. They're coming off a playoff year with Alex Smith. They were picking in the draft. They traded everything they needed to trade to get the ten to take a kid from Texas Tech that they thought could be special, even though they had a quarterback that could lead them to the playoffs.

That hit me like a ton of bricks. Is like if you if you are a team who identifies a quarterback in the draft that you think is special, go get him, almost regardless of the cost. So that because you're my question, can we go there? Now? Let's come back. I just want to throw the question out there and I want to answer it. Hit us with a question, do you stand pat with your quarterback room right now? If you're this organization, we'll answer that when we come back.

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lender and the official bank of the Jacksonville Jaguars. If you have two, you don't have one. I think that's an old adage. Uh. Frankly, this past year proved you better have two competent quarterbacks. Okay. Uh, there were a number of teams they didn't have a competent quarterback. That wouldn't have made it. So, I mean, if you look at it where we've come from, argument could could have

been made. We didn't have any competent quarterbacks. Okay, So this is in a way an embarrassment of riches for us, in a good way. Um that you know we do have two very good quarterbacks. Jaguar's owner shot con The full conversation with the he and Nasheal Sullivan available on Jaguars dot com. Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy our j P. Shadrick, Jeff Lagman, Tony Baselli, Glad you're along with us. One

hour no more Doug Morown show this year. That one's over, so will get an hour on Thursdays and then on Tuesday's will be Jaguars Drive Time Tuesday mornings. It'll go back to Tuesday's next week. It was on Wednesday this week, So Tuesday next week I think at nine am is when those shows will begin. So check those out on the Jaguars social media pages. Quarterbacks and Aris been of riches.

Two quarterbacks, and you know Nick Foles obviously started here comes Gardner, meant you six and six, everybody's on the roster. Josh Jobbs around there. Down the depth chart a little bit. There's your quarterback room. Where is this quarterback room right now? And will there'll be where will there be changes or additions to that quarterback room? In your opinion? Locks It seemed like you were really locked into this topic earlier. Well,

I I don't agree with Sean con on this. I don't think that the quarterback position is that you've got two really good players. I mean, right now you have two players that are coming off of a year that still many questions exist about. And that if, in my opinion, if you stand pad or if you're satisfied with two good quarterbacks, then that means that's going to keep you from finding a great one. Which means that I'm not

saying that that's his position. His position, maybe that he wants to find a great one, and maybe he's saying that just to you know, say, hey, these are our guys for now. We don't know if we're going to get another one. So but I think that that position the search has to still continue because if the search ends, then you miss maybe another opportunity at finding what will be the next Patrick Mahomes or and you had that opportunity lost already. Could it be the next Deshaun Watson

or Tom Brady whatever it is. And I'm not trying to criticize Gardner minshow because I think he had a phenomenal season for any type of rookie quarterback. But does that mean that that because he had a good rookie season, which, by the way, how many wins did did he get? Quarterback? Okay, six wins is and I know he didn't start all the games, but six wins is not what you're after. You're after double digit wins. And I'm not saying and I'm not trying trying to like know of people us

rookie give him a break. I get that. I get that. I'm just saying that and tell you know that you have a guy at that position. The search doesn't end, and it cannot end. There's a lot of things to like about him his Are you satisfied? So I will describe it this way. We have one quarterback that I'm not sure about that had a nice rookie season and has some things I like and some things I really question, And I don't know if he's the guy. I don't know,

Maybe maybe not. They could grow into it, maybe maybe not. Um did I leave this season saying he is the franchise quarterback? I did not. Okay, So that's one of the guys in that room. The other guy. What I know about him and Nick Foles is that in his career he's never played sick team games. He has two magnificent runs with small sample sizes at the back half of of seasons in playoff runs, one that led to

a Super Bowl championship. He was outstanding. Outside of that, he has been very inconsistent up and down, and he did not play well last year, was injured again, so it continued not to be able to play sixteen games. So I have a lot of questions there as well. Do I think Nick Foles is a quote unquote franchise quarterbacks that can take me to the Super Bowl? Well, he's done it in the backup role, but over a sixteen year of course of the season, he has not.

So I got a lot of questions there too. Not saying you can't, but I don't know. And so that tells me I have a quarterback room that I'm unsure about, and it is the most important position in this game, and you have to have it right there. I'm not saying you have to have Patrick Mahomes, but you sure would like that because it's gonna give you the best consistently winning um. But you need a guy that is a bona fide starter, franchise guy that can win games.

And so with all that said, if I'm in this draft, I'm evaluating the heck out of those quarterbacks. And if I am convinced after my scouting process and I have conviction and believe that one of those guys is a future top ten, top five type of player at the quarterback position, I am making a trade to go get

him bona fide. If I don't think of that movie, if he's not, if I don't have that conviction, then I'm I'm gonna stick Pat and I'm gonna take my guys he's bona fide, or maybe the guy want Maybe it's Justin Herbert. I haven't done any work on any of these guys. Maybe it's Justin Herbert and I can pick him up at I don't know. I don't remember

last end, the last training camp. There were questions we I think we talked about on these shows that there might be issues with mensh you might need to get another backup courtback and Gardner and and Nick Foles was ten times better than him and training game and let's not forget when that happens again. Hold on, now, it's not just people on this show, Jeff, you and I both know it was the people across the hallway too. There wasn't a consensus that Gardner, mints you was the

answer at backup quarterback. How many points did he score in the preseason zero or three or something? Was there not a lot of questions across tons of question There was nobody tons of questions. When I say nobody, I meant nobody that said, boy, we got a guy, a franchise quarterback. We said, we found a guy that you know, has a chance to be a good backup. That's what we thought. That's exactly what the thought was at the

end of Troup. The thought was that we might have gotten a good backup and we might have to get a bet for there's people who thought in this building we should get a veteran so Gardnermentsho was fabulous. But one of the things we gotta be really careful here because it happens too often. We completely over value and over hype individuals way too quick here and maybe it happens other places. I'm just talking about here, because you

have a small sample size of success. Let's not anoint anybody something they're not and that's not a shot Gardner. Gardner did what I actually, he did more than I expected him to. I mean more, and and that's the danger. Sometimes when you have a perception of a guy, is you know, a I mean use a one through ten scale. I'll put it this way. Our perception of Gardenmentshi would have been different if he was the first first round pick.

Let's say this. If our perception of a guy coming into the season, he's a three out of ten, like three, okay, four maybe, and then all of a sudden he plays at a seven, You're like, oh my gosh, he's amazing. But if you had a perception of a guy who's a nine or a ten and he plays down to an eight, not that good, but he's still better than this, my boy, is, perception changes everything. Where you start with a guy and so you have to be so careful. It's a small sample size. Let this thing play out?

Does Gardner Minshew has qualities that I love? Absolutely? Does he have qualities I really question? Absolutely? Let it play out. He's a young player. I think it's way too early to I think it's way too early, Jeff to say we have an embarrassed to say we have an embarrassment of riches at quarterback. That's why when you say let it play it out, that doesn't mean that you go, let's just let it play out because we're okay, you go,

We're gonna let it play out. But you know, we don't know how it's gonna go, so we better find one and keep looking. Now, you might look at Joe Burrow and Herbert and whoever else is in the top to to and say, you know what, I'm not convinced these are the guys. And we have enough other holes in other places. We need to use that draft capital to build our roster. And there's a good class next year, and there's a really good class next year or whatever

it is. And you know what, we see this guy who's probably gonna go into third round, that it's not that he's really not that far off the guys that are going to go in the first round, and so what we'd rather take a little bit more risk with a guy in the third round because less draft capital, because we think he has the potential maybe to get That's what I'm saying. I mean, that's how you have to do it. But I mean I would be working. I'd be working hard on quarterbacks. We're back in a moment.

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Walter Payton. Thank you, God blessed this. Calais Campbell Jaguars defensive Lineman, but Walter Peyton Man of the Year the end of his acceptance speech at the NFL Honors Show this past Saturday down in South Florida. Welcome back, Jaguars, Happy ur J P. Shadick, Jeff Loguman, Tony Basselli, and great stuff for Calais. Believable honor. I'm proud of him. I mean, there's a great player. And we've we've had opportunity be a lot around a lot of great players

and our playing careers, broadcasting careers and uh. And I know Tony has had an opportunity and just recently to be a lot around a lot of greats uh with the Hall of Fame stuff that was just recently going on. And I considered an honor to have been exposed to a guy like Calais Campbell because I think he is

truly one of the great players. When I say great players, I'm not talking about just on the playing field, because that's what great Peter Peyton Man the Year award is about, is about not only a great player, but a great person and a contributor to the community. And I don't know if you could ever have a better role model for young players in the national Football League, and congratulations to Klass well deserved. It's awesome. I saw him giving a big hug on the field. Uh pregame at the

Super Bowl and congratulate him. So excited for him, excited for the organization. It's a big deal. And uh, Clais is a pro on the field, really good, great, great couple of a couple of seasons, a few seasons here now three years with the Jaguars, and had a very nice career in Arizona. But what he does off the field and who he is as a person probably means more to me. And he just handled himself the right way. And Jackson was lucky to have a guy like him

in their community. Is how long will he be in this community? But before we get to that, just real quick, I mean, if people haven't had an opportunity to read about Calais's upgreen upbringing and to understand where he's come from, uh uh wow, I mean why you talk about a tough upbringing now truly tremendous to Colorado, the Colorado boy for him to end up where he's had now the decision the greatest greatest state in the Union, now, the

decision about his future. You gotta. I mean, to my opinion, you find a way to keep a guy like that. And when you say find a way, because he said something to the Pro Bowl that he doesn't think he needs to take a discount. Look, if he doesn't need, if he doesn't want to take a discount, I'm gonna find a way to make it work for one more year. Because but Jeff, I understand what you're saying, but the

dollars and cents. You're over the cap right now. You have to get under the cap just to sign people for the draft. If nothing else, you can't take um. And that's apparently she's not listening. That's what my kids call my mom. Yeah, that's that's that's what they've called But he you know, here's how you do it. Don't finish and so you like because you got you, I mean, you have to decide what you're gonna do it a lot of different places where where where where's a cut

that can be made that's about equal money. I don't I think this is one of the most he's well,

I mean Darius Stars, Yeah, okay, but that's one. By the way you keep cutting all these guys, you're creating more holes to fill and we talked about that last week and and because and Antonio made mention of this and that, you know, Dave Caldwell was asked about or make comments about getting back into the cap and it was, I don't want to say it was nonchalant, but he felt very confident that, you know, they look, we can get another cap and be a player. And and I

was gonna, WHOA, how do you know? That's tough decisions. And then if you're a player, then that means you gotta be a player because you gotta find somebody to take the place of the guys that you just like go so you can get into the cab. But I mean, my opinion, you gotta find a way to keep a guy like Klass and so you pay him. Think he's

new nineteen this year? Is that j he's fifteen? It's like two and a half million, I think is uh is what is left in the in the pro raded signing bonus and then I think he'll pay out his fourteen or fifteen in real money some somewhere in that range. But here's the reality. Did he not play over the value of fifteen million a year? Not last year, but

the two years prior to that. Absolutely, you know. So if you're trying to find a little bit of justification for paying a guy like for some couple dollars and cents, for some people, they're like, we don't. And Jeff, you and I both have said in fairness like class players always feel different, united the same. We always think we have more in the tank than um we might. Plays is a guy that I think should be paying, playing probably less naps than he did last year. Yeah, absolutely,

I totally agree with that. So with that, you're gonna have a part time player, you're paying fifteen billion plus. I get it. I want him on the team too because of who he is, if what he brings the locker room, his leadership is an impact player. He is going if if Josh Allen last year, yes, yes, if you had if you Okay, Josh Allen's a part time player. He shouldn't be. He needs to be a full time

absolutely this year, and he will be, I'm sure. But that's the kind of role that you envisioned for collaitions. But let me ask you this, with that role, Josh Allen had the numbers, he was impactful, and I think the impact players might have better numbers if you played less snaps? What what is his number for next year?

Seventeen and change? And it's uh, dead money. So find a way to go because here's the thing that with that decision, it's not like you're making that decision that's gonna hurt you and one and you know what, Hey, I gotta win right now. Okay, I'm just gonna ask, is there everybody gonna win right now? So you so you're saying cut I mean, I mean like darkness is gone, right, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's probably he's

definitely gone a j boy a gone. Okay, So that gets you that's a tough tough spot to film, Okay, but that gets you a probably you're probably thirty three under the cap with those two. We say you need it for the Rookie class marks another, Um, yeah, you get rid of normal. Yeah it's another hold of show. Look I'm enough, Okay. Now, it's all because he sees a lot of dead probably looking at how how much is how much does the Rookie class cast you? What

did we say that number is? And I can't remember what it was, but you're still that that's a lot of money. Open it up. Yeah, well, I know, look, more holes. Now you gotta be a player. You're getting rid of free agency. You just got rid of four starters on a team that was six or six one team last year. M yeah, so what are you saying. I'm saying it's tough. I agree. I mean, you got you got your point of your point of glass is fair. But the reality we're hoping he take a little bit

of a discount. But I don't think. Here's the reality. You're feel you're creating more holes for a team that had six wins. But here's the reality, right, you also had six wins with those guys. That's a great point, very good point. So okay, yeah it is you're right right, right right? I mean you didn't win me again, what's the argument. There's no other argument. Let's go around the national football shall we. I mean, you've left the speechless.

That's how good of an argument. That was? All right, you left Tony speechless. That's that's the Kansas City Chiefs, for the first time in fifty years, win the Lombardi Trophy with a wild comeback in the fourth quarter to win Super Bowl fifty four. Tony, you were there, Um, what a performance. It was in that fourth quarter. So there's like seven minutes left, it's third and fifteen, and

I'm not making step. We're talking in through the producer and everyone else, like what's fort is we're gonna grab because at that point the Chiefs had done nothing at all, and they were the pastors. Was killing my homes. He was not having a good night. I mean, like offensive life for Campa City played terrible. Outside the right tackle.

Most of sources was really good. He was good, and so I was sitting there thinking, we started talking about who we're gonna get new SI was getting beat like a drum beat, like a drum if the doctor was getting beat. We're talking about like when are we gonna get Robert solo. This is a historic defensive performance, I mean all this stuff. And then the third and fifteen changed at all. And here's the thing. It's a post corner by three kills the number two receiver, and it's

a combination route that Robert saw. They worked on Friday and Saturday outside Number one runs a deep end. It's cover three post corner, and they made the call They're not gonna sit. They're not going to carry the deep end. They're gonna let it go in that corner, has to get depth for the post, for the post corner. He bit on the dig in the post corner is wide open and he's sitting there just waiting on the ball. He's and so literally that play, and they wrapped it,

and they wrapped it, and they wrapped it. If they if the if the guy just doesn't take the cheese, take debait and chase that in. He's back there and now he may hit the dig, but it's not the big play. And boy, that changed everything. That in the call. You know, they score, it's a three point game. You're like, all right, here comes tone didn't do much well, But forget that. I agree with that. But the big thing is they run the ball with Mosert first and they

get five yards and first down. It's second and five. This is the second best rushing team in the NFL. Again, Kyle, this is when I'm first down. Go run it again. Worst case scenario, your third and two, third and one, and and like you got the right where you on him, drop out the pack pass into Kyle's defense. You guys wide open. He found him. Chris Jones went up and deflected the ball. He is wide open guy. Oh yeah, he did, he did. He missed. He missed the game

winner to Manuel Sanders on the open. There's no safety Kittle a couple of times. Yeah, I mean Kidles one of those guys that you can just stare at him. He'll find a way to get on. So yeah, it was, but boy, I was. It was a crazy game. Nuts. Should they pay mahomes s a p Pay him like as much as they want pay him now because it costs more next year, that's right. Price price tag just keeps going up paying him. But he was not very good at the beginning. Now he's getting harassed. He was

not well, no, look he wasn't getting harassed. He was getting harassed some but not that much. He's getting harassed and the pressure got to him and he started throwing. He started the clock started taking. He was like, oh my gosh. And then you're going, wait a minute, what are you doing time, dude? Slow down. But it was great. But he overcame it. That's what he did. Great players five and oh in his career. Uh, being down ten

points of it's incredible. Congratulations to Andy Reid. Congratulations to Andy heck heck after you know what he said, to me, it only took thirty years. Years and long time player National Football League, played for Chicago Bears and uh coached here, coach a few other places, and he's been with Andy Reid for quite some Congratulations to Chad Henny. Football season's not over, by the way. The Seattle Dragons and the DC Defenders, the l A Wildcats in the Houston Roughnecks.

That's Saturday to the Tampa Bay Vipers and the New York Guardians and then the St. Louis battle Hawks in the Dallas Friend of Games. The XFL kicks off. Will you watch if I'm home Saturday or Sunday and it's on, I got nothing going on. I'll probably check it out. Great Joe guys, We'll talk to you guys next week. Tony Boselli, Jeff Logman, J. P. Shatrick. It is Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Three t