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lot to discuss today on this program. Something happened, yes, something, A few things have happened. Yes, Tom Coughlin is no longer employed by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Will lead of his duties. Will cover all of that. We'll hear from head coach Doug Morone. He spoke again today, which is not normally doesn't normally speak on Thursdays except on this program, The Doug Moron Show, but he did speak with the media

today after the happenings last evening. We'll get some player reaction in the locker room as well, but really it's on too Atlanta. That's up next for this team. Everybody here knows they have to win football games down the last two weeks of the season. Falcons this week and the Colts next. What does the future hold? Will discuss some of that with Jeff Darlington's ESPN reporter, who had some tweets involving the Jaguars the last couple of days.

That's all coming up on this program. Tom Coughlin, out as the executive vice president of football Operations and Jaguars owner shot Con put out a statement yesterday and last evening in fact when it happened, and said he had thought about this earlier in the fall and thought about

doing it at the end of the season. He reconsidered after the recent days events and made the change immediately, and he later said that Dave Colwell and Doug Moron will each report directly to him on an interim basis. His expectations and those of Jacks fans for the final

two games and season are high. So after everything that had happened with the Players Association, it seemed like that was the last straw and the final two lines of that letter from the p A. It really had a damaging effect, I think, and could have had a damaging effect on this organization. Oh I don't. I don't think

there's any doubt. And I think that that was the reason why the time frame for letting Tom Coughlan go was pushed up, because if you know, because there first of all, there were reports out there that that Tom Coughlin, you know, and people on different articles wrote this, said, hey, why don't we just let him get to the end of the season and then he you know, he reports are that he was going to retire, resign, whatever, and uh, first of all, I don't believe those reports. That's not

how Tom Coughlin is wired. And I think Shot Khan, as the owner of the this organization, after what the NFL p A put out, he wanted to be able to counteract the the magnitude of their statement, and the magnitude of their statement was it was a It was letting every player in the National Football League know that

Jacksonville is not an attractive place. And so if as an owner, shot concert back and did nothing, then if that story still goes on and it still reverberates around the National Football League, by acting and terminating the employment of Tom Coughlin, it's a response to that, letting players know I think around the league that hey, look, that's not how we're gonna do business. That's not how we want to do business. We want to be an attractive place for you as players and uh. And I think

that that's why the time frame of it change. That's why he moved it up, because if you don't move it up, then you're not responding to such a strong statement by the union. And I've never seen a strong statement like that. You've been at it for a lot longer than I. You're looking not been a part of the union for many years. I was an executive committee vice president of the union for a few years. I mean, so as a union, we never did that when I was a part of it. I never I've never seen

the union do anything like that. And I contacted some people and I said, you know, give me an idea of you know, how many grievances are we talking about on an annual basis to where the Jaguars have And they're like, look, are you know our legal department. We don't want to we don't want to let that out. And I think the reason why they didn't want to let that out is because they said what they wanted to say and they wanted to end it. They didn't

want to have the conversation to continue and graphs. No, they don't want them. They don't want to have a conversation with anybody about that. You know, they said what they said. But my guess is somewhat educated guests, is ballpark of in a year there might be twenty to forty grievances in a year maybe, so you mean you do the math or you know, so that might be. If it's thirty, obviously it's a handful, and if it's forty,

it can be a lot more than that. But to your point, Mr Khan had to make a big move in response to that too, because this organization obviously has to work with the players Association. That's how this business works. They have to moving ahead, be able to compete and have players know that this is the place they can go work. Well, look, the reality is, and I said this, I've talked about this a little bit yesterday. I've been in that position before, having to go down and to

knock on Tom Coughlin's door. You know, I had to do it many times in the early years when he would try to bends break certain rules that were collectively bargained And I don't want people to understand because a lot of people think that that these are these are union rules. It's not union rules. It is collectively bargained, agreed upon rules by the NFL, the Management Council, and the union. This is a joint set of rules. It's not some set of rules that the NFL p A

throws out there. It's everybody's playing, everybody's on the same page. Everybody knows this is the plane field that we're under. This is a set of rules. And and with with Tom, I always appreciated the amount of rules that he had and always appreciated how he had kind of a zero low tolerance policy for everybody to adhere to his rules. But there were times when there were fines that were were unjustified and we're we're controversial, and I had to be don't want to go down there, knock on that

door and explain to him. And and I said this many times for being a rules guy, such a rules guy as Tom Coughlin is. And and I'm not trying to beat the guy up, because I got a lot of respect for Tom, but as much of a of a rules guy that he is, and that he has a law, a very long set of rules. He did it as a as a coach, and then obviously as an e v P he still had a set of

rules that the team was to abide by. But as a as a guy, or as a leader, or as a coach, or as an e v P that has a set of rules that he expects the players to abide by, he should understand that there are also rules that he needed to abide by that are set forth again not by the nfl p A, but by the owners and the union that have been collective, collectively bargained.

And and when I when I saw the statement that was put out by the NFL p A, I knew that something was gonna happen, and I didn't I didn't know the time frame. But I can't let that something like that just go. You can't let that slide. Now. The question moving ahead is what now? And what now is that, at least on an interim basis. According to shot Con, Da've called well and Doug Maron report directly to him, there was no official statement about beyond this season.

I think these next two games will tell us a lot about some of those answers. The day after the season is done. Yeah, I think I think the Doug in this press conference day got it right and he said that he didn't expect any kind of notification about what happens beyond the next two weeks, and and I appreciate that perspective from Doug. I will say this too, I can't imagine trying to lead this football team as as a coach and trying to do it with the

backdrop of this other stuff that's going on. I think that makes it makes the head coaching job that has been here incredibly challenging. Incredibly challenging. Wow. I mean, so, I think as a coach, you know, you want to

instill discipline, accountability and everything else. But do you feel like sometimes that that maybe you can be over the top, because if you've got players that are already getting beat up by the fine system and are and are having a file grievances and and have this this attitude towards the team, and then as a as a coach, you almost probably feel like you're piling on if you're trying to instill your own discipline and accountability for what what

your expectations are as a football team A lot. Yeah, So it's it's almost like, you know, okay, as as parents, Let's say you got a set of parents for a kid, okay, and mom finds out that you did something wrong, and she breaks out the ruler and you get a couple of butt s wats. Well, guess what, Dad comes home and does he do it again? Is that fair? Like? No, no, whatever,

That's a terrible comparison. But I'm just kind of having fun with it and that that it kind of gets to the point where it would feel like dog pilot.

But I mean, so I give credit to Doug Marone for for for handling a lot of the because you know, this football team, for the most part, with the exception of the jail and Ramsey incident, this has not been a football team that has been distracted, that has had a lot of side shows, that has had Leonard four Nett leaving the sideline to go get into a fight like he did last year. Mean, everything has been I think for the most for the most part, this year

has been pretty good. A little that stuff early in the season, you know, Kansas City game, injection of Jack, but you know, but they're nothing that kind of went away after Yeah, and so yeah, I kind of kind of and sympathize with with a head coach, having the coach in that environment, that's not that can't be easy. Let's hear from head coach Doug Morone and his message to the team today after what happened yesterday. But I want to remind you of one thing. You know, our

focuses on the Atlanta Falcons. We have to win. There's no different, nothing has changed from what I said before. You know, we're all fighting, you know, for our jobs, for our life. Really, I mean that's what we do as coaches. We all know that. That's what The situation is no different for the players, you know, they have the same thing. So again, you know it's a tough situation. Um, but you have to keep your your focus and you have to lead and you have to go out there

and do your job. Hold no punchers there. We have to win. It's a pretty strong statement for a football team that is going to be up against it the next two weeks. Well, and you look, you're you're facing Atlanta Falcons football team. I don't know if they're in quite the same situation, but the seat is hot in Atlanta for Dan Quinn is the head coach and also for the general manager, Thomas Demetro. They played better lately, but in general they don't have a great start up all.

They started out one and seven and there are four and six or four and two in their last six games. So they've been playing pretty well. And they just got done beaten one of the best teams in the NFC on the road in San Francisco. And they have all pro type weapons on offense. Yeah, they got a couple of them. They are pretty good. Parts they're missing some parts too. They don't run the ball well. I mean,

so they have some shortcomings too. But but yeah, they're they're playing good football, and I think the one thing that concerns me is that if you look at what they can do well, they can score forty points on you, they can score thirty some lot points on you. And the Jaguars offensively, can they keep up with that? I mean, they have one of the most dynamic wide receivers in football who had a monster game last week and Julio Jones and had the game winning touchdown catch. He had

in the game. He had thirteen catches for there in thirty four yards and two touchdowns. He can do everything he can run by guys, he can body guys up. I think the one category that he hasn't probably been phenomenal in as a as a pro is touchdown score. But he still has been scoring enough touchdowns more than than the Jaguars guys have had. I mean, DJ obviously has more. But and then they have a pretty good tight end and Austin Hooper. They lost something when Calvin

Ridley went on injury reserve last week. Matt Ryan has seen everything and anything you could throw at him as a quarterback. So, uh, they're a good, good football team right now. I mean, and you can't argue that. I mean, when you win four out of six, you're playing good ball. Let's come back. Tony Boselli, standing by prior of the Jaguars left tackle, will join us. He's in person this week.

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nobody's perfect. I think he's learned to communicating better with the players. Um just trying to understand us. You know, it's a different uh different generation of gods too, you know, so, Um, I think he's done, he's done it. Your menuts out with us. You know, he's very understanding this year. So I love him. Do what it for that loves coach Doug Head coach Doug Maron. Uh, this is Jaguars Happy Hour. J P. Shadrick, Jeff Lagerman, and Tony Valli boys in person.

This week, you know, Thursday night football. This week, Thursday football is over for the year. Um, it's Saturday football. Still being Tampa to Tampa. Houston's to be fun. And then I fled from Tampa Atlanta Little Jack Falcons. I was listening to Jeff breakdown the Falcons. I agree with everything he said. It's gonna be a tough matchup. Good offense. What time's your game? Saturday? One pm? Oh, you got plenty of time to get I actually might meet you

for a lady. I landed you guys will just be on your just cutting open the steak at the Yeah, yeah, we're good for that. Yeah, we can always do a little. I'm thinking, where were the Carnivars that we are We're gonna go down this road great. By the way, I never got a response, but I sent a text out are we in for? I was trying to figure out schedule. Yeah, okay, you've got an excuse, Joe, I guess you don't love me. That's that's true. By the way, speaking speaking of food,

I had one of your cookies. Oh my gosh. The next break I'll be having another one. Jeff Broad a little Christmas breads. It was nice. Let's get to the big topic of the week. Of course, A couple of things have happened. Food. Um, Tom Coffin's out. We we discussed in the first segment Tony and after aything that happened earlier in the week. It just felt like something

was gonna come at some point. Well, I think the one thing that needs to be clear the letter from the NFL p A and all the stuff about grievances and overturned and grievances to the against the Jaguars, and what the p A said of that last statement, which I think was a little bit of a cheap shot. You know, I don't think that's the position of the PA to be releasing that stuff. I mean, if they want to go just to the members, but I don't think that needed to be a media released. I think

it was over the top. With that said, that was not the reason Tom Coughlin got fired. All that did was speed up the process. I am even if you read the statement that Shod put out, and I'm a firm believer that Tom Coughlin was going to not going to be in the role of e v P at the end of the season. I think that was a done deal. I think Shod made the decision. All that the NFL p A letter did is speed up the

process by two weeks, That is it. Yeah, I didn't know what was gonna happen with Tom at the end of the season prior to the NFL p a's release that they had. When I saw that, I was like silver. But but Jeff, and I mean in your mind, were you the same way? No? No, I thought I thought before the before anything ever happened Monday with the p A, I thought that Tom was probably gonna be not no longer, uh, the e v P of this organization. Now, could I have seen the scenario that maybe he does you know,

something else? And I thought maybe that he would have a different type of even that something even that I thought was a long shot. I thought, what would happen more than anything, maybe Tom would retire or whatever. But did you ever get the impression was noted he was never going to retire. That was not gonna happen, and so I think it needs to be clear that this is decision was made. I don't know who put those reports out though, I mean, who, why are those reports

out there? I think that's somebody just trying to throw something and see if it sticks. It's not true. But that's not it. That's not in his nature. No, that's

not him. No, no, And so I think that, um, but I think it's an important thing because it was not just the NFL p A. I mean, I think if you look at one of the things I love about the NFL, and especially when it's done right, is that as a player, as a coach, and as an executive, you should and usually are judged on wins and losses, wins and losses in the overall direction of the organization.

And I think all of us, every fan, every media person, everyone associated with this organization or not associated with the organization, that the wins and losses are not in the right uh tallies are not adding up correctly. And I don't think anyone would argue that the organization right now from a football standpoint, just talking on the football side, is moving in the right direction from when I say right direction, getting better year over year as a football team. And

so that's what you're judged on. And when you're sitting at the top, and it happens all the time. Start the players. Players. When you can't perform anymore, you get cut, head coaches, when you don't win enough games, you get fired, GMS front office people like Tom executive president president. If the organization is not winning games and not going in the right direction, changes are gonna be made. It should

not be a shock. And but that's but that's the one that's the great thing is we should that you're judged. And it's one of the things I loved as a player. At the end of the day, you knew where you stood as a football tea him at the end of the every week, either you did it or you did you did as a player, you're judged. You sat in the film room afterwards and you were judged based on your performance. It should be no different from anyone within the organization. Is it the end of that you're judged

based on your performance. And I think that shop looked at it. He decided that it wasn't going the right direction, weren't winning enough games, and uh, when you're the boss, sometimes the boss goes out first. And Tom was the boss of operations, last place in the a f C South last year, bottom of the a f C South again this year. Obviously the change was coming, but that letter, well, just spend it up, that's all. It just we now know that. But I my thought was is that if

it wasn't gonna happen, it surely is now. What I saw that released by the by the p A, I've just I've never seen and I know you said that they probably went over the top. I don't really see how that was kind of over the top. I don't, I don't. I don't think it's the p a's job to start making proclamations of where players should sign or not sign with free agency, and that's what they did. But I think there is there is a role for the p A to make their players aware. You can

make them aware, you don't. They did not need to write the last sentence, which which sentenced The last sentence was so as you're making your decisions of what teams to go to, please keep this in mind. What they are saying there, and we all read it and we all know it don't if you have a choice, don't go to Jacksonville because they because they find players in response to numerous I think if you, if you just kind of followed Tom through the years, was it was,

oh it was shot at him. The number of kind of him kind of thumbing his nose incidents out of at the union have been numerous, and so I think this is kind of one of those things. Were finally the union just said, do you know what, We've had enough, let's put this out, this information out And there's this tag it with this one line, and um, yeah, so I get it. I mean, look, when you're abrasive and rude to somebody, at some point, somebody's gonna respond back,

and not in such a kind way. That's what do they call that? There's a term for that. Sometimes revenge, can retribution. Here's whatever you want. But even with all that said, I'm disappointed. I don't think the union needed to take that shot. Fine putting it out? What what? What? What would you been okay with them putting out as far as here's my ke just the percentages. Well, here's the other thing, Jeff, and you were the head of the union for the team union wrap it for the

team and very involved. I wasn't, so there's something and I'm not saying I don't know as much as Jeff does on this area. I don't recall, though, in the history that I've been since I got drafted in and now we're sitting in twenty nineteen, ever an instance as a player or as a person covering teams, covering games and following very closely that the Union has ever filed

a press release about winning grievances against a ball club. Uh, not as a percentage, as a total, but they have issued releases about grievances that have been won in the past, naming specific teams and an individual cases, but not as a summary like that was just I thought it was just I don't think like too much. And in the last line was just where let's move it forward? Now the move has been made Tom Coflin's out. Is that enough to mend the fence with the p A, with

this organization of that relationship. I think that shot and first of all, the the fence. I don't want to say you have to have it mended, but I think there definitely needs to be some type type of relationship going forward, and it doesn't have to be buddy buddy with the union. But I think Shad Khan's response, I think is the first step and it's the most biggest step. Anything that happens after that, I think is a matter

of icing on the top, so to speak. And I look at if Doug is the head coach here next year, and if I were a head coach in this situation next year, I'd want to reach out to the union and say, hey, look, obviously how things were done have We're not gonna be doing business like that anymore. What

can I do to help make this better? To let you know so that your constituency knows that going forward, we are a place, a destination that will treat the players fairly in the collective bargain under the collective Bargaining Agreement. So I think that that that will take. So if you do that is the is the is the gonna send out And I think I think the way that's why the release of Tom Coffin from those duties was the biggest thing that you could do in response to

what the union's press release was. And I think I think moving forward, as you asked the question, JP, I think one letting Tom go is you know, sends a message even though we all know it wasn't the reason he got fired and sped it up. But to the union still they'll view that as a check the box we got, you know, we won. The other way you mend that fence is just follow the dang rules. Just follow the c b A not hard. That's all you

gotta do. I don't think if if you what Jeff said, if you want to call and do that, that's fine. Like to me, that's window dressing. The way you fix the window dressing never hurt. I'm not saying it does.

I'm not saying it's wrong. The way you fix it, though, is you just follow the dang rules, which I've always and I said this Monday night, which is always like Tom the ultimate, like follow the rule, guy, if you like making players follow the rules, didn't want to follow the CBA rules, which is this ironic to me, but like moving forward, just do what you're supposed to do. Treat the players the way there's the c b A

says A. Treat them in everything will be fine. I heard people talk about how uh players of today have changed and the rules have changed, the rules haven't changed. Well, they've lessened. They're different than when we played as far as the c B A well, there's more rules that are enforced as far as the requirements, but for the most part, there's not a whole lot of difference between what we had and what is what the players of

today space practice rules time spin. It's a little bit more detailed, but for the most part, the rules they've been there for a number of years, so it's not like this is some new landscape that everybody had to adjust you about that year. It's been years since these And then the other thing is that if there is any confusion where you're not sure about a rule, pick up the phone. Hey, uh, can I get a little clarification on what I can and can't do under the

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I'm Ashland Sullivan. The Jaguars back on the practice field today getting ready for the Atlanta Falcons. Everyone on the injury report practice fully. That's great news, especially for DJ Chart who missed last week's game due to an injury. Obviously, the big news of the day is Tom Coffin no longer with the Jacksonville Jaguars. The big man Calais Campbell paying his respects. So the guaranty in this business has changed, you know, especially when you you know, don't perform like performance.

You know, change happens a lot faster, a lot more often. So obviously, uh, you know, I have a lot of respect for our cough win. This team's out of the playoffs, has no chance for a winning record, So why was last week's win in Oakland? So im poor a j

Boy gives his thoughts. We also know, like what we've been through, through these these losing streaks and throughout all these weeks and things like that, just adversely facing just to know that we kept pushing through it and just to come out with a win, you know, it just brought us that much closer because we saw a lot of heads. Now we've seen what was going on, and people didn't give up. We didn't give up on each other,

and that's what made it even better. Stay tune the five o'clock our head coach Jug Marrone joins the show. The show much more. Jaguars Happy Hour coming up, celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars w to play by Well Blackman. That's the biggest play you could make. Quad Fector Sat Call Snoble recovered Buble touchdown, Welcome back, Jaguars Happy Hour, J P. Shadrick, Jeff Lagavan, Tony Boselli, the Jags and

the Falcons coming up. There is a football game this week too, Yes, and I think that's happened earlier in the week. It's um somewhat easy to kind of forget that, but that's what's coming up this Sunday in Atlanta. Let's go to the phone line now and welcome in from ESPN. Jeff Darlington joining us. Jeff, what's going on, man? How are you? Sir? Probably not quite good, guys? Are Its been quite the twenty four hours for y'all. It's been a it's been a busy couple of days, no doubt

about that. Shod Con put out the statement last night. Tom Coughlin is out, um, you know, after everything that happened earlier in the week, and Mr Khan said that just kind of sped up the process a little bit. Essentially, what's your reaction to Coughlin being out of here? We an inevitability, um. And quite frankly, I think the reason why Shan had to like this was pretty clear. I mean, you cannot have the players union uh directing essentially players

to consider avoiding Jacksonville. I mean that's the death sense and uh, I've honestly never really seen anything like that. And I think it's uh, not the don't want to go to overboard yere, but I think it's a reflection of of the culture that unfortunately has existed. Um. Within within the Jaguars organization for the past few years, and UM, I think it's a much needed change, and it's just not you know, the old the old school way. It

doesn't always work. Jeff, we were talking a minute ago about how do you how do you go about fixing the that that released by the union incredibly damaging? Is the firing of Tom Coughlin enough or does more need to be done? Does it? Does the team need to reach out to the union in the off season, the head coach need to reach out to the union? What needs to happen next? From what I understand, those communications

UM have and will continue to occur. I mean, I know Dave Caldwell has a good relationship both with his players and with the union itself. And UM, I think from the sense that I get talking to people around the league, that that that narrative started and ended with Tom Coughlin when it came to the Jaguars. Uh. You know, whether you believe that Dave Calledwell deserves to be fired or not, it certainly should not fall under the merits of UM. The egregious behavior of Tom Coughlin over the

past several years. I think that that's UH. That's something that will essentially resolve itself with his departure. To be completely honest, Jeff, when you say egregious behavior, like what do you mean specifically by what behavior are you speaking

towards or about? Maybe egregious isn't the right word, but just I mean, if you have all these grievances being filed by players to the point where you know some of them some sometimes it turns into a trend to the point where, uh, you know, it becomes maybe in vogue in the locker room to go ahead and just file your grievance immediately, or you know, if it's a former player in that case, but in general, you know, whether smoked their fire with a lot of that kind

of stuff. And I just don't think, Um, if you look around the league the number of grievances that were being filed fire filed, and a lot of them were coming from the Jaguars organization generally speaking, you can look a little deeper and find out, um, why that is. And I think in this case, um, you know, com

Coplin had a very set agenda. He had a real disciplinarian plan in place, and and it's to a degree backfired and I think, Uh, the NFL p A. I mean, look, the thing is, whether you agree with it or not. If the NFL p A is telling its agents and players to consider steering away from Jacksonville, something has to change. That's too much to uh to get past. You can't get beyond that. Uh if you have that culturing place to where the nflp is doing. Man, yeah, that's a

pretty big blow. I mean, you're right about that. I mean, when the p A, because that's you know, I don't think we've ever seen the p A coming out and making that. So you're right about that. That's wrong. A statement usually require some sort of response. Let let me insarch something in here, because Jeff, I think your word egregious would be accurate if it were my seven hundred thousand dollars that we're taking a fine schedule, because I would want my seven grand interest and I would want

interest back. And if that ain't egregious, I don't know what it is. Well, any other thing is if it gets to that point where you're finding somebody seven hundred thousand dollars, where is the other action take? It's just I don't know that. It just doesn't fit. It's just not the way that the NFL works these days. I mean, look, here's the deal. The other thing is, I know Jalen Ramsey as a character and uh, and he's a lot to deal with, but he's still on the Jaguars right now.

If Tom Coughlin was not um in the position that he was in, and I think that that um is talent out the door right now, and that is a perfect example of what, uh, you know, what you can't have in an organization. I think that might have worked out pretty good for the Jaguars, to be honest with you, that with all those draft picks and you've got a player that didn't want to play and was taking an injury because of it. I mean, to me, that's the type of player you don't want, regardless of who the

was to that point. Especially, I'll take that one back from the standpoint you're also you're also dealing with someone you're gonna have to pay a lot of money to and who knows where that goes. So so that's a fair point. They did get a hall of picks there as well. But I just think managing talent is such a key component to the job. And when we think that to all of the positives and all those things that we talked about that we're such good things about that.

What's that done? Squad? It was it was the characters. It was the passion and the way that that defense fought and uh. And if you're going to have those kind of players, you also have to have the kind of culture that allows them to drive, and that just

did not exist anymore. Jeff Darlington with us ESPN reporter covering the National Football League a long time in the NFL network Before that, you had a series of tweets yesterday, Jeff, after this all kind of went down, Um and moving forward now for this organization, Caldwell and Marone on an interim basis will be reporting directly the shot Cohn. But you had a series of tweets thinking that they could be retained for the future, and it sounds like you

have a little support for those guys. Yeah, I mean, I just get I get the impression that shot Cony goloring to support them past this year. The interim aspect of the wording of that thing, that made me kind of like, wait a second, that doesn't exactly drive with what I was sort of understanding the situation to be um, but that was off explained to me in a in a context that uh, you know that. Look, I think that there is still a little bit of a window

open for a shot to make a decision there. But from what I understand, they will be back in two So Jeff may, let's look at those two, uh individuals, head coach Doug Brown, Dave Caldwell, who's the gm um as you look at from the outside, because we're here close, I think we all talk about the tough situation, and Doug's done a pretty good job of holding it together with all the things I've been going on. You gotta

give him a lot of credit. Uh, But looking at the situation where this team is from a coaching standpoint, which we just talked about, but then also the roster, I think a lot of people you look at the holes in the roster and and some of the misdraft picks and throughout the years and in the history of drafting under Dave Caldwell. What are you hearing or how do you view it from a distance of why those

two individuals should be brought back. Well, I mean I certainly hear far more annoying suggesting that they should not be I can tell you that. I mean, I understand for instances, as you guys knows well as anybody the sort of um, I mean, the discontent that exists within the Jaguar stand base. Um Man, Look, I understand that we are now prone to treat that twenty seven team season as the outlier when it comes to Dave Caldwell's resume. I just would and I know we're maybe we're never

gonna find out, or maybe we will. I would just love to know if the roster that he put together and then was the top ranked defense in the NFL

that year would have sustained. I mean, look, yes, Tom Coughlin came into the organization that year and as such he's going to get some credit for that, But that roster, in my opinion, was built by Caldwell, and I do believe, um, outside of the quarterback, which is going to be a black mark on his resume, um, you know, out his career, outside of the quarterback, that was a championship caliber team that you put together. Jeff Darlington from ESPN, always good

to catch up with you. We appreciate your insight. We'll talk to you again soon, I'm sure. Thanks appreciate is at Jeff Darlington on Twitter, good follow and a lot

of thoughts about the Jaguars this week. I think it's gonna be be interesting, how you know Tony's questionnaire about about how Caldwell and Doug Morone will be viewed, you know, going forward, and we've talked about Doug and as far as Dave goes, you know, will will the mistakes at the quarterback position because they coincide with Coughlin's arrival here? Does that fall on Tom Coughlin or does that Does that fall on Dave Caldwell because the mistakes Tom was

here when we drafted Blake. You know, I'm talking about the contract extensions and then the subsequent where you've essentially bypassed the Pro Bowl strong quarterbacks on the a f C roster right now. So that to me is going to be very interesting. And I think one thing that I think it's important as you look at it will

be interesting. Maybe better description than important is as a shot of valuates the Dave and Doug, I would think you'd have to do it separately because completely different situations. I mean, what Dougs had to do as the head coach and managing a lot of the locker room and the noise and all the things that go on, and a roster that I think all three of us I would agree. I know, Jeff, you and I've talked about having a lot of holes in it because of missed

draft picks throughout the years. Is in the job he's done injury the Nick foles Gardner mintioned, I mean, really, keeping these guys. You know, there's a bad five game stretched there. We lost by a big margin, But keeping those guys fighting and hanging in there can make you can make a case either way four and against each guy, and then and then looking at Dave is the big picture, not just the last three years when Tom's been here, but Dave's been here since and looking at the entirety

of what's happened. And I think each of them separately are gonna have to make a case two shod of why they are the right person to move forward. And

it'll just be interesting to see how that evaluation is done. Um, But I do think I would think you would do it both of them separately as individuals, based on the jobs they've done throughout their tenure here in Jackson, no different than the job that you made a decision based on about Tom Coughlin and looked at his performance and what he had done and all the things that you liked and disliked of his tenure and ultimately led to

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Jack's Village dot com. I can't remember. At that time, I was working on coal line short yardage and um m hm, and then Coach Coughlin walked in and he said that shout to just let me go. So I think those are all you know, we've we've been through this. Unfortunately in coaching it happens we've been through it before. UM, I kind of just you know, it took a step back and uh ask coach, you know, is there anything

that I can do for you? And um, coach with as as professional as you guys know, he would be head coach Jack marone On. When he found out the news last night, Tom told him himself in the office walking back Jaguars happy at her Jaguars happy. I'm j P. Shaddick. That's Jeff log and Tony BA Sully is here in person. Thanks to Jeff Darlington for joining us earlier. And the Jags get the Atlanta Falcons this week in Atlanta first regular season visit to the new stadium. The Jacks played

a couple of preseason games. By the way, great press box food. Great comes back to the food. They didn't they didn't have great when we were there. The last time. I've already I was there once already for Thursday night. Well, the last time we were there, the proof didn't even work right. They have a soft sware by Scream Machine. Oh nice, outstanding. Want to let you know it's a battle of five and nine football teams, the fats where we're talking about the press box. That's a good point.

The Falcons were not good early in the season, but they've won seven start. They have come back a little better as of late the last month or so, and they've certainly won the last two. They beat two good teams Carolina, it would certainly San Francisco two in the final play and they beat They beat New Orleans a little bit before that, so then they had the ball to tie in the second time they play new runs. On Thanksgiving, I was there that the ball with a

chance to tie it down down finish eighteen. So Matt Ryan leads the league in completions this year. They're still throwing the ball over there. They can't run. They have an offensive line that literally they want to be a zone team, and they can't run zone. They just they don't block it very well. If you and I know you've watched dry Jeff, I've watched as well. If you look at San Francisco, the most successful runs were running power. They have the rookie guard, the right guard, Lyndstrom. I

think it is h he's back. He's been back a couple of weeks after being hurt from this year. Their best running scheme is more of a power scheme, and it's not that good either. That's why they throw it so much. They dropped back and throw it as much as anybody in the NFL. Schweitzer, who is their left guard, struggles terrible, right, well, not very good. Did you watch Have you watched the New Orleans? Didn't watch that? Watch the Tell me what you think about McCarry the round

pick right tackle. Watch him for people that don't. Jordan normally have like seven sacks that game. They they have two first round picks on the right side of their offensive line, Chris Litz from first round pick. He was the first of two first round picks from Corston College. And then McGary is a Washington guy and he was the second first round pick that they had, Caleb McGary.

He's a big dude now and they listed him and I was looking at the six six three oh six what they list him at that he's much bigger than that. Sticking him on film. Yeah, he's a little stif but he's a big dude now. I think they're gonna be fine long term term. You can get after the matchup this week. If I was a defensive tackle or a pass rusher, you I'd want the match up on Schweitzer

the left guard. I take that all day long. After watch, go watch the New Orleans said, just watch the past places against New Orleans and you'll be you'll be begging to go against McGary. How about this question, how do you cover Julio? Joe dug said today that he would. Todd Washing said they're gonna rush one and drop ten back. He's not far off and he is as gifted and special of a wide receiver as there is in the NFL.

Think there's only been a couple of him like him, Megatron, Julio Jones, I don't even I wouldn't put a j Green. I mean his marvelous play got his physical exactly exactly. Julio is a big, fast man, big fast, strong, fifty fifty plays plays every inch of his size and every pound of his size. And uh and when he gets rolling and they and I will say this, they do a great job of hiding him. He moves a lot, and he'll play the slot, he'll play the outside receiver.

They do everything with him to try and get the matchup, so it makes it hard. They don't want to. So what that does is like you asked this question, you've covered in the easy, simple, stupid fan question or media questions. Oh just double him. Well, now, if you're a defensive coordinator, you're Todd Washing Okay, yeah, I want to double him, but based on his alignment, that will change the coverage

of who will be bracketing this individual. And by the way, if one time he's lined up outside, then he's the slot, then he's the inside guy of the bunch. The outside guy of the bunch. He's emotion like you. At some point you can say we'll double him when he's in this position, but you can't have draw up a scheme where you just chase him round with two people. It doesn't work. And so it's much more difficult than you think.

And and I promise you people will be watching the game on Sunday, and I hope it doesn't happen, but I bet a lot of money Julio Jones is to catch the balls because that's just what he does. And the and the fans watching her and say, well, why don't you just double them? Well, the reason you can't double him so easily because he's everywhere. He plays every he plays the ext why he'll played the Z by

the dubbling, He's moving all over the formation. So uh, you know, they do a good job to do a real good job of disguising what they want to do and getting him matched up one on one six consecutive thousand yards seasons. The last time he faced the Jags, he was over a hundred yards receiving with nine receptions. And I know JP is one of his biggest fans because he loves the whole Falcons wide receiving corps. When Ridley's healthy too, Will you be wearing a Julio Jones

jersey on Sunday? Okay, we're just making sure we're double checking Saturday night, though I know you'll be wearing it, but not during the not during the game, just checking Gay. He's a great player, but the one thing he does do is score an equal amount of touch that you would think. You think a guy in the red zone, and for whatever reason, he hasn't struggle. Kind of weird. How about the Falcons defense? Quickly here? You know, is this a matchup where the Jaguars can move the ball

a little more consistently? What's the deal with the Falcons? They play fast. I'll give you the very fast. Grady Jarrett is a really good three undersized, so I think if you can get a double on him and run at him and power, I think you can get something going against him. But when he's one on one, beast, Vic Beasley, speed guy, nothing else. Yeah, but he's playing, he's he's playing better. I'm still not uh super athletic. Arry McKinley is the guy they lost. I think Cam

Robinson if he has to go against Vic Beasley. That's gonna be a tough match. You know who I worry more about his Adrian Clayborne against Camp. He's a physical guy who will work your inside shoulder and if you turn, he's gonna make it tough on you. So they're not great, Um, they're playing better as of late, much better, missing a couple of guys. Truefont on Our also got the safety count O'Neil on. I are so all right, let's come back in a moment. On the Jaguars Radio Network, The

Doug Morone Show. Right around the corner, Tony's going to stick around. I like that. That'll do it for Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network