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J.P. Shadrick, Jeff Lageman and Tony Boselli recap the Jaguars social justice conversation and more on Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Tito's Handmade Vodka.

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It is Thursday August. This is Jaguars Happy Hour and now two time MTV Video Music Award. Watch your j Peace, Shadrick. I got watched it more than twice back in the old days. Welcome in Jaguar's Happy Hour on this Thursday afternoon, j P. Shadrick, Jeff Logovan with us. We'll have Tony Boselli at four thirty Logs, Good afternoon. What's happening with you? Good afternoon, JP, All's good. Yeah, it's been a busy day around t I A a bank field, that's for sure.

Here's what's coming up on the show today. The Jaguars discussing actionable change. Practice was moved back and actually was in question for a little while today. The Jags did take the practice field a little later. We'll get into some of the reasons why. We'll hear from Doug Maron and wide receiver Chris Conley. The season is two weeks away. Two weeks from tonight will be the first NFL game of the season. It's coming quick. The Jags have a lot of work to get done between now and two

weeks from now, including a scrimmage this Saturday. We'll preview a little bit of that what to expect, and we'll go around the National Football League. Let's start logs with today. The Jaguars had their normal scheduled practice for today, but they got started at there were some team meetings. Doug Maron was scheduled to meet the media ten till nine this morning. That came and went. There was a message from the pr staff saying that Maron's oppress availability would

be postponed. There was no time given, and then there was a question about practice as well, where apparently there was a team meeting going on about everything that has happened in Wisconsin over the last few days. And you know, of course, the night before NBA teams were walking off the floor and the playoff games and they postponed all those games. Last night. Some Major League Baseball teams were

stepping away in protest as well. So the Jaguars are trying to figure out as a team what they were going to do, if they were going to do anything today about that. And there was a vote held and the team voted to go out and practice together. Doug Morone explained a little bit the morning that was at t I A a bank field. You know, today, you know, decisions to go out and practice. I'm sure there was you know, players that you know I didn't want to practice,

Maybe there was coaches, maybe it was everyone. I don't I don't know, but what I do know is that we're able to express a lot of opinions, a lot of emotion um at the end of the day, somehow, you know, come together and go out there. And I think that somewhere along the line, we've got to figure it out because obviously we want to do something that's that's actionable, something that you know, could could create change,

said coach Doug Moron after practice today logs. The vote apparently, according to Chris Connley, was one vote difference thirty seven thirty six with the numbers he gave, so that's quite a near that's about his narrow of marginal you can get, obviously, But the team did come together after that and go out and practice. That's a lot of moving parts on

a on a practice day and training camp. Well, I think I think emotions running pretty high with what happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin and UH and I think probably a lot of players feel like, Okay, here we go again, and what do we have to do to make this not happen again, and so I think there's a little bit of frustration there. There's certainly a lot of deep

thought that's involved here. And I think that you probably have some player that sit there and say, hey, look, you know, uh, I emotionally can't get ready for a practice. And then there's some players that that say, hey, look, we still have a job and let's go to practice because that's what we are, we're football players. And then we can have actionable change at another time. But but I understand it, and it's a difficult time because so

many other athletes have already reacted. And I think with the Jaguars and other players or football players that are trying to figure out how can they best draw attention to this so that this doesn't happen again, they're trying to figure out the best way to do that. And that's tough. I mean, it's hard. It's it's hard to figure out what's what the right thing to do is.

And it's certainly a position that the players. Uh, first of all, I give them credit for being in it to begin with, because for many years, I mean, there was never a position taken by the players really for anything. I mean there was I don't want to say there there was a fear, but there was a hesitancy to jump out in front and say I don't approve of this,

and we want to see something change. So I give the players credit from that standpoint, but there also is there's a long way to go, a long way to go, and I don't know what the right action is, but but I think the players are trying to find out exactly what that is as well. Well. And of course Logs it starts at the top of the organization here. You remember a couple of months ago, right after the George Floyd incident in Minneapolish, the Jaguars decided to march

to the police station here in Jacksonville and back. That was in the midst of the COVID pandemic and everything going on, so that was the first time in a long time everybody had kind of been in the same place. And then a few days later, Leonard Fournette led him march downtown with the mayor and the sheriff involved in that one as well, and then Mr Khan has a statement basically saying that the Jaguars will be at the forefront of these just gushions here and in players communities,

and so that's what this is gonna be. And and even after those marches, Doug Marone spoke and said, We're going to dedicate time to this. It's that important to our organization, our city, um and our players that even in the midst of training camp when something comes up like this, they have to give it time because it's

important to the football team and the community. And that's that's that's really what Doug Brown thinks logs Yeah, and uh boy, I mean it's I give Doug a lot of credit first off, because I mean, these are challenging times and he's having to maneuver with a lot of different things going on. You know, you have worldwide pandemic, You're trying to coach a football team, and now you have social issues that are are right at the at the forefront of a lot of people's thoughts and a

lot of you know, his his employees or his players thoughts. So, uh, kudos to do for managing a lot of that. Kudos to the Jaguars for being out in front with some of those things and supporting the players going all the way back to the to the march in Jacksonville and then most recently, JP the Jaguars named a person to a position to help address some of these issues with the organization, with the players and in the community. I'll

make sure I get this right. It's Tanisha Tate, who was just recently named vice president of Social Responsibility and Impact. And so kudos to the Jaguars and Mark Lamping and Shot Khan for taking action that they feel like will lead to more action. And because you know, players are players, and and so a lot of times they want to know what's best and they need to find out what's the best way to maybe go about things. And I think having Tunisia in that role, I think we'll guide

the energy. At least I'm hoping that will guide that energy to a productive outcome for what the intentions are. So credit to the Jaguars, I give him a lot of credit. Tunisia's Jacksonville native went to Rains High School, so she knows the lay of the land here very well and that will be a fantastic role for her.

You know, this comes after the last couple of days, obviously, after what happened in Wisconsin and the Lions canceled practice a couple of days ago, the first NFL team to do anything like that with this incident, and then the NBA decided to postpone playoff games with the Bucks walk off the floor, and the league had to basically postpone all the playoff games. They don't want to start forfeiting playoff games. That's not a great look, certainly, so they

postponed them. And then there's a big players meeting in the NBA last night. Would they even finish the playoffs? Well, cooler heads have prevailed with that. It sounds like they're going to finish the playoffs they or continue them. At least a few Major League Baseball teams have had games postponed or they walked off the field. Others like the Oakland A's today are not planning on ploy playing in

their game. But now the question today was could NFL games at some point being jeopardy if an instance like this were to happen again in the future During the NFL's regular season. Chris Connolly was asked that after practice today, and of course Chris was was vocal in those marches a couple of months ago here in Jacksonville, and he said it would take a United front by the faces of the league. You see the leaders and people in the other leagues who stand up and say that they're

they're sitting down, And those are the guys. Those are the lebrons, you know, those are the curries, those are the those are the guys who were at the top of their game in the face of the league. The same thing would need to happen in the NFL for that to happen, And until then, I'm not sure. Conley

is a very eloquent speaker. Of course, he had that fantastic speech on the stairs at the police station a couple of months ago and was one of the most vocal that day and as a big piece of of what the Jaguars were doing today leading up to practice or not practice, you know. And it's it's a valid point because he made this point two logs that there's so many players involved in the NFL, and there are

different tiers of players. Right, A quarterback has a little more juice, if you will, then you know the third string guard who's a rookie. Right, That's just kind of how it works. Um, it's fair, but it's not equal, was the term he used. So that's what it would take If all of a sudden, a third string guard doesn't want to sit out, they'll find another third string guard. If a starting quarterback who was an m v P can let me just jump in here a little bit,

because yeah, I understand that. Look the reason why you maybe don't have a game or or boycott a game, or or say we don't want to practice as you're trying to draw attention to a matter, totally get that. The one thing though, that I'm not sure of it is if you if you get in the NFL season, and this is all purely hypothetical, but if you get in the NFL season and you say, okay, well we don't want to play because something happens, does that does

that affect actionable change? And I think that's the question that needs to be asked and answered before before anybody decides not to do it, you know, And and I think Bruce Arians, the head coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, talked about it a little bit today when he met with the media over there, and he said that, you know, for the players, don't protest, you know, take action, and

whatever that action is. I don't know the answer to that, but just protesting or saying Okay, we're not gonna practice. If that's not going to create change, then that don't do it. Create do something that's gonna be productive. And and like I said, I don't know the answer to that, but I think there's a lot of really bright minds

that the NFL can lean on. And I think that's the whole reason why the Jaguars have Tunisian in that role, is that you know, hey, look, you know to provide guides, you know, to to provide help to make the right decisions for for a football team, and also to create actionable change. So uh, and it's a touchy subject. I mean, which you know, what's the right thing. And you know, in locker rooms, JP are no different than society. Locker rooms have a thing and they all vary. Yeah, that's

from eighty different backgrounds. It's it's no different than if

you have a quarterback controversy. And I'm not trying to to kind of compare the social issues that we have today with you know, who's the starting quarterback, But I'm just trying to use this as an example of how opinions can be so varied and that you know, I've been in locker rooms before to where we've had a quote unquote quarterback controversy, and the locker room might be just as split as a fan base, and so when you're talking about issues of social matter, it may be

no different. And that you have a hundred different opinions and you've only got any guys because one guy may have two pinions that he's not sure which way to think, you know, so uh, challenging time, certainly. I know that Pete Carroll was posed the question about could there be games that will not be played in the season, and Pete put it quite simply, he said, you know, maybe

you know, I mean, we're gonna have to see. And and Pete has been I think a very supportive member of the player's voice and all of this, and uh and and Pete is not afraid and never has been afraid. And I know Pete, I've been around him a long time. He's never been afraid of addressing social issues. And I commend, commend Doug Maron for not having any fear whatsoever addressing it.

And you could also see a little bit of a pained expression with Doug Moron today and that you know, as he said, he said, you know, in a position of leadership, sometimes you want to create actual change, but you know you're sometimes not sure what to do. So tough position to be in. And I credit a lot of the players in the league for for taking action, and but I think we've got to find a way to make sure that the action is going to be productive. Well,

all I know is that the conversations continue. The Jaguar has canceled all football matters the rest of the day after practice and a team meeting started around three o'clock today and apparently is expected to go for a little while. I don't think there's a time limit on that one tonight. So the conversation continues amongst the Jacksonville Jaguars today, though they did get the practice in today. Let's come back in a moment and we'll hear from Doug Moron again

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donate today. With all that going on logs right, the we touched on this last segment, but it's I think it's worth noting again and maybe with a little more emphasis how challenging this was going to be anyway for head coach Doug Moron and Dave Caldwell and Dave Will will join us on The Doug Moron Show at five o'clock. But then you throw in the pandemic COVID nineteen and everything that happened. No offseason program, it's all virtual. Nothing on the field. Um, you've got a young team, right,

twelve Draft picks. There were thirty rookies on the roster in the off season. That's a lot of youth in a pandemic and all that, and then all the social justice initiatives that are starting to come back around again a couple of months ago, and then now during training camp. That is a lot on a head coaches plate and GM's plate, especially in a year where they're kind of up against it logs. I mean, they've got to win some games here. There's a lot going on right now,

especially for for Doug Moron. Yeah, I think it's a tremendous talent in a challenging ear. And let me just add this here too, because you know, with with the news that we're talking about now, it seems to be at the forefront a lot of conversation that's going on

in our country right now. Oh, by the way, there was a hurricane that just went through and affected the residents of Louisiana, Texas and also parts north of there, And so thoughts and prayers go out to those affected from Hurricane Laura, because I know that a lot of the conversation right now is not about that, and uh, I don't want anybody to think that you know, you forget about them in that type of situation because we've been through that before dealing with Hurricane So just just

a quick thought on that. Yeah, that's a good point and that that was not on the list at least in the Jaguars world yet, but it has been in the past. Yes, that's that's the I think the one thing that knock on wood and I've got a table right here that we don't really have to deal with directly this year. Now, the football logs were two weeks away from the first NFL game, so you know that's that's coming in hot all of a sudden. The Jags have a scrimmage on Saturday at the stadium and then

they're gonna shut down training camp mode. The media won't be allowed out there after stretched really at that point of individual work, they'll be out of there. So regular season rules are back in effect. You know this is uh, you're at this point now where it's two weeks um at some point that Hey's got to be in the barn and an opening day you'll you'll tee it up at at one o'clock on the thirteenth September. Well, when you when you say the hay is in the barn.

The hey can actually mean a lot of different things. Um, it could mean your roster, it could mean your preparation, it could mean your game plans, it could mean your physical health and well being. I mean, there's there's not a lot that's to affect any kind of of change in football between now and the opener, you know, And I think it's gonna be interesting to see what happens

once you get into the regular season JP. And kind of what I'm referring to here is that every team right now is kind of operating under the shroud of secrecy, and that you're you're not the performance of your players, the performance of your team, the scheme of your team. None of that is getting out and put on film

because there's no preseason games and nothing's getting publicized. Obviously, local media is restricted in every market as far as you know, how in depth that they can go and describing what they're seeing on the practice field, including everybody, you know, whether it's it's team media or it's it's

local print media or TV media. So what happens when you get to cut down time and you've got to make a decision of who the fifty three are gonna be, and who the sixteen are gonna be on your practice squad, and and what kind of change do you have, because you know, in a normal year, when you're having an organization that is essentially undergoing a rebuild, like we kind of consider what the Jaguars are doing now because of the commitment to youth and and the number of subtractions

compared to what the additions are. They are clearly in that mode of trying to to rebuild a football team and trying to win at the same time. Don't get me wrong, but when you have that situation, you typically have a football team like the Jaguars in the position they're in that they're gonna go out and they're gonna get other players from the other teams and be able to kind of scalt what those players that they have had scouting reports on from college and compare that to

what their performance has been in the preseason. And there's always been maybe oh four or five, maybe up to seven roster changes right before you get to committing to what your fifty three are gonna be going into opening week, because you're changing out a few phases and names prior to that opener with guys from other teams, So how much of that will happen? Uh, So that's kind of a little bit of a curiosity to me. And uh

and we're gonna see what's gonna happen. And they've called well in the scouts, I mean, they're gonna have to refer probably more so back to what their rating system was prior to the draft, and there really hasn't been any update to that because they haven't seen the player and maybe the Giants camp or the Saints camp or whatever team that the player that they like is residing

at currently now, you know. To that point, I blazed over a story today that the Bills were looking at media reports of other teams come cut time, and I thought to myself, that's not news that happens all the time anyway, Like there's somebody in every department that looks at every clipping, every media report to see if there's something maybe they've missed in scouting anyway, but this year

becomes oh so much more important. If they see something, some kind of bit in another team's media, maybe that could tip them off that they like a guy. So, I mean, so de Rock Mike Groco, who's Jaguars beat writer. He better knock it off. He better stop talking about all these you know, these hidden gems that the Jaguars have, and and uh and all the other reporters as well. You know, he's carline all those guys. Man stop at

Brett Martin. No, stop, you can't do that. So, I mean, but didn't I just read today that there was a team's media member of the Buffalo Bills. That right, that's what you're talking about. He got fired because he was Steve Tasker okay on a radio show and was talking about scheme and also the performance of the players. Did

I read that correctly? That's right? Well, Chris Brown is his name, and he's he's been there for a long long time with the Bills and hosts the radio show and is a writer for the team website and contributed basically like we're doing, you know. But it would be the equivalent of John Osan getting whacked or getting sent out of practice right for a while. So basically was talking about some things on a radio show that apparently the Bills did not want him or anyone to discuss,

and the Bills took action internally. It sounds like interesting, I mean, and interesting and Uh, you know, I look at football's not rocket science. Um, but I totally understand that. You know, you don't want to be talking about you know, maybe all of a sudden, there's some guy that is having a phenomenal camp, and but you've got a lot of phenomenal guys at that position, and you'd like to find a way maybe to sneak him on the practice squad or or maybe find a way to Uh. And

here's the other thing. If you have a guy that's performing really well and you're stacked at a position, so maybe sometimes you'd like to get the word out. So maybe you tell your your in house media, hey man, spread the word that Joe Schmo is having a heck of a camp, because we want to maybe trade Joe Schmo or trade the other guy, you know. So, uh, it can kind of be a two way street, you know.

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I'm not the type of guy. I'm more of just talking from my heart and talking about how I feel and you know, and and that's what I did with the with the team head coach Doug Maron after practice today, meeting with the media and welcome back to Jaguars Happy Hour on this Thursday. J P. Shadrick Jeff Lockman will have the Doug Moron Show coming up at the top of the hour. Dave Caldwell, general manager for the jag

steps in for the head coach today. Tony Basselli noted left tackle steps in now Tony, good afternoon, What's up? What's going on? Fellas? Just recapping a busy day around t I A. A. Bank Field, Tony the I'm sure you've heard by now. The Jaguars moved back practice today and there were questions of even going out to the practice field. Some other teams around the league. We're calling off practices today in response to what happened in Wisconsin

a few days ago. And of course, the NBA games were all postponed last night and again tonight, and apparently it sounds like they're gonna start playing post postseason games again. The NBA s some Major League Baseball games, but the Jags had a big meeting this morning about it and a team vote, and by one vote, apparently, according to Chris Conley, the Jaguars decided to go to practice and not just part of the team that the rest of

the guys who voted no went out there too. That kind of tells you that's a big moment early in a team's formation, right, Tony, when all of a sudden that's that divided. Yeah, it's it's interesting. Um. I mean obviously you know since uh, I mean not just since the George Floyd uh situation which happened in Minneapolis, and now with the young man in Wisconsin, Jacob Blake. I mean, obviously you know you hate to see you and I

think Chris Conley said it very well. You value, we need to value like in all lives, and you don't like to see anyone lose their life. And and obviously there's a lot of information that needs to be found out and investigated everything else, and um, but regardless of how it happened, the ending is bad and it's not good, and it were very uh, it seems like a very divided at times on some of these really big issues.

And I think the players were trying to find their voice and find you know, how how can they because they're frustrated, and how can they respond to it in a meaningful way? UM. I thought it was interesting, you know, and I don't know if you guys talk about this. Bruce arians said something that I thought was pretty well said, you know that people need to take action. UM. But you know, in his experience, and he says all the way back to the sixties. He's obviously a little bit

older than us. Uh, probably he didn't see protesting doing too much, but that we need to take action, you know, whether it's given to a cause or getting involved in a cause that's gonna bring about real change. And and it made me think. And and it was right around the time of the Jaguars making the decision whether they're going to practice or not outing, which I find you know,

it's interesting of a way to make a decision. And also you know several of the other teams UM not practicing, and we saw at the NBA did I guess my question would be whether you practice or not, or whether you play an NBA game yesterday or not, because now they're gonna play. Um, as you said, JP, what what is the what are what's the purpose? What do you what are what is the end goal that you're trying to accomplish by not practicing? UM? What is that going

to change by not practicing? UM? Is it? You know? You could argue it's gonna bring more attention to the issue. I would argue that there's a lot of attention right now on the issue. Now are we getting where we need to go fast enough? You know? You could argue not not even close UM, which happens a lot of times in this country when something becomes political and there's you know, and everything around the election and the circumstances

we find ourselves in right now. But I kept on asking myself, guys, like, what, like the NBA not playing, is that going to change anything? A team not practicing is that going to change anything? I think the only way we see real change is that you have to have real, hard, honest conversations UM where people can influence change and bring about changes, whether it's you know, reform around how people, uh police happens, racial inequality or whatever,

um of the issues that we want to address. But it has to be I think bigger than just sitting at a game UM or a practice. And so I kind of found myself wondering and and then circling back to what Bruce Arians said is that like as a player, and I know a lot of players in the NFL do this in the in the n B A uh, you know, whether it's a Lebron James starting schools or people giving the found local foundations or whatever. That's how

you're gonna have to make really meaningful change. Um. And then you know, and then you work your way up into the you know, into the government, local starting local government, all the way up to try to make uh significant changes of major issues. But I mean sitting out of practice not sure. I'm not sure what message that sends, UM two people right, So UM, the Jaguars voted to

practice today by one vote. They were out there at the full time a little bit later today it started at eleven five instead of this morning, and meetings continue this afternoon. And this will be part it sounds like, as we heard a couple of months ago, this will be part of how um the Jaguars have to operate from really maybe the rest of the season. Doug Maron said they're going to carve out time for conversations like this, and today it was I felt like it was certainly

needed and they will continue. So let's I mean, I think that's right. I mean I think Doug, trying to do you know, the best, began to lead and to encourage conversation and to allow players to share their frustrations. Um but I would I would encourage is not allow the frustrations and the conversations to lead to action, like we're gonna do this so because we want to accomplish this. So we're gonna excellent, we accomplished Why whatever that y is, we're you as an individual, as a team, or as

an organization, whatever it is. Because um because I think the most important thing that we need to see happen is using a football kind of metaphor, if you need to see the you know, the ball moved down the field in making progress. And so I hope that in all these conversations and for all of us, I mean, I think we should all be having these conversations amongst our families and friends and and then you know, in

our communities. Um but we're talking about sports today, whether it's the NFL or the NBA or any other major leagues uh professional sport, the frustration is genuine and it's real and the feelings are real. Um, but I hope it leads to some solution, um that that we say we're gonna do whatever, stand, We're gonna take whatever protesting, which is what makes this country great. You've ability to

do that. Um, Well, they're missing a playoff game or a practice whatever, or the conversation that Doug is gonna facilitate to have those conversations. Those are all good, but they have to lead to some action, um that initiate a change in my opinion. Let's move along now. Of course we've we've discussed this at good length today and

these discussions will continue on this program. Certainly. Um, the guys were and Logs, you and I were just touched on this were two weeks away from football Thursday night. Football is two weeks away. Um, So what's in your guys opinion, what's left for this team to get done in camp? What is the most pressing issue on the field for this team? Logs will start with you with two weeks to go, a little over two weeks until

opening day. I think offensively, it's all about timing and comfort level and kind of having that relationship between your quarterback and all of his weapons to where there's a comfort level of knowing between and this is both ways now to where Gardner knows where his guys are gonna be at and they have an expectation where he wants them to be at. So and this is something that I mean, even though you sit there and you go, boy, they've been in camp a long time and they've been

practicing a long time, they really haven't. And that's one of the things I think. You go back to the one of the most efficient offenses that had incredible timing. You go back to the San Francisco forty niners when they were great under Bill Walsh and continuing on a little bit under George Seyffert, and they just had so many reps and reps and reps and reps, and that

was what was one of their big things. And practice was reps because the more reps you get, the better the timing is and the better the efficiency of the offense is. And so as an offense, I mean, look, the Jaguars got lots of work still to do. Lots of work still do because if you take into account the amount of time that they missed from the O

t as to the mini camps, et cetera. And now they're trying to make up for lost time here in this abbreviated training camp that doesn't have any preseason game. That's a challenge, big challenge. But they got a lot of work to do offensively. Uh, defensively, they may have some work to do from a personnel standpoint, we don't know that along the defensive front, but they certainly got a lot of work to do there with a lot of young players. They've got a new linebacker, got a

young cornerback. I mean, there's a lot of things to figure out defensively. So still, uh, the the hey JP is not necessarily in the barn yet, and they still got a lot of work to do, Tony, that's a long list of Yeah, Jeff, if you say the haze down the barn yet, I think they're still cutting it. I think they're still gonna feel cutting forget about getting into the bailing it and get into the barn. We're at the beginning stages of this thing. I mean, I

think we for get. I mean it's um, this offseason has been so crazy, we forget that. You know, the second year quarterback, brand new offensive corn they're trying to put an offense in on the run. And Jeff, as I know you do the same as I do. As I was watching the tape today on the iPad, and you go click and you find the practice. This is the tenth training camp practice ten. That was That was week one of camp for us. And that's after O, T A s and mini camps, all things they did

not have this year. That is day ten. Uh. And some of those practices are abbreviated because of you know how they had to work their way in. I think there were ninety minute padded practices so and and then you had on top of that you have maintenance days for guys. So I think we have a long way to go in a short time to get there. Is the old movie Smoking and the Bandit and and and

I think Jeff's right, it's timing with the young quarterback. UM. You know, you have young players sinal as a rookie that it looks like they're gonna you know, they're gonna count on him. Guy and Tyler Efford who brand new UM has never worked with the quarterback, you know, so you have a number of new pieces now you're gonna have to have that. I think one of the keys guys is gonna be that offensive line. They're gonna have

to play well. The offensive line is gonna have to play well, and they're gonna have to run the ball learning for net because I know we love all we all love Minshu and Minshew magic and I'm all for it, like dialed up, let's get the magic going and let's watch this thing go. The bottom line is it's gonna take time, and it's not gonna be perfect early. Now.

The good news is, you hope you run into some other teams that are very disorganized and have growing pains at the same time and can kind of get some sloppy plays and you get some big players offensively. But for the consistency part of it, they're gonna have to get the run game going and they're gonna have to get you know that. That means that starts with the offensive line and then it goes right to Fortnite afterwards. And so I think that is so critical on that

side of the ball. And then I mean, Jeff, we haven't even talked about the defense. I mean, you can go down the list of in turns and things as far as still trying to get ready, and I think it starts with the front seven um, and I'll even boil it down and starts with the front flour, and I'll even go narrower, narrower than that. It starts with

the inside too. You know, I think the middle of that defense is going to get stressed, and it already is stressed with injuries and opt outs and everything else. And uh, and they're gonna have to stop the run. And so it's funny you talked about all the things and all the fun pieces, and we have some fun pieces are putting together. It comes down the good old thing that all football come down to, my opinion, can you control the line of scrimmage? Can you stop the

run and run the ball? Because you can't do either one of those. It is so hard to win in this league. J P. Let me let me add something to what what Tony is talking about, because you know, you sit there and you and you think, Tony about how this football team still has a ways to go. You know what was we had the benefit when you had preseason games. You kind of had a gauge, you know, because you go against another opponent and you get feedback. You know where are we at as a team? You know?

Where is our run defense? At where's our past offense at? You know, how do we measure up against this team even though we're just playing basic preseason football. Well, the one thing I think that's challenging, you're not getting that, you know. So are you maybe getting a uh false sense of security thinking that Okay, you know, we're doing pretty good in this area, or you may be getting a false sense of the opposite and that, hey, you know, we're probably not doing very good in this area, but

maybe you aren't doing okay. But it's it's hard because you know, if you just have home homework and homework and homeworking, you never have a test. How do you know? You know? So I think that's what's gonna make this season and this football team so intriguing because you just you have no idea. I mean you really don't. I mean you haven't had And not that we were able to judge where a team was at in the preseason anyway, I mean because a lot of times the preseason couldn't

give you another total false sense of security. Going back a few years ago, Tony and I both were sitting there going put this team in bubble rapp there ready to go, and then they come out in the regular season and complete an utter failure. But but a lot of the just the individual players and where they are. That's where you you got. I think you got a pretty good understanding. Not maybe not as a team, but you can certainly gauge X player against another team in

a certain situation and you don't get that benefit now. Well, Plus Jeff as a player, I enjoyed, like I didn't want four preseason games. I didn't really want two preseason games, but like two series, three series, maybe a quarter and a half out they're working against someone else. Kind of get your sea legs ready and you know, get a little bit of work. I always thought that was nice because after camp. I mean, I'll think back when even as a young player, you and I were practicing against

each other. Back after the first week, I knew what movie you're gonna do, and I knew that what you like do you like to chop? And you know you're gonna change it up every once in a while with the bull and inside move, And I mean I knew who Jeff Walkin was, so I'd start setting and doing things to block deth loggingman. Well, now all of a sudden, you're blocking you know, you know, a speed rusher, a light guy who's outside running a hundred miles an hour.

Like it's just nice to get a different feel and see a different guy across from you in a game situation, because like game situations as an offensive linement, I'll speak for me. Like in practice, I knew like Logs wasn't gonna hit the quarterback because if he did, there was gonna be a big fight, and I was gonna whip. As we're in for hitting the quarterback in a game, you know, it's live, you're going, you're going through the whistle. I just I think that that stuff matters, and especially

for a young team. Now if we're talking about you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers and Ben Roethlisberger and a vetan offensive line like the castro and pouncing and these guys have been around forever. You know, I'm not as concerned like you'd like it. But these guys will figure it out

and get through it maybe a little bit better. Um, but we got such a young team and you know, and so there's gonna be some growing pains and they got a lot of work to do, and they got a short you know, not a lot of time to get there and opening weekend, I'm looking. I can't wait. It's gonna be fun, but it's gonna be interesting because I have no idea what to expect. I don't think any of us do. But I know one thing. You

you misspoke there, Tony. You said you blocked Jeff Loghuman, and we all know that Jeff Loghman is unblockable, okay, JP. Tony was being nice and he said, okay, I got used to blocking Logman. He was. If he was being totally honest, he would have said, I needed to get a guy that had more speed and had more power so that I could get used to sing other guys around the National Football League. And for me, I wanted to see an offensive tackle that I could beat so

I could get some continents scoring into the season. No, but it's but it all joke aside. Like like Logs, I was like, like I would set with when I blocked blog I was not set in deep like Logs, like he's never beating me around the corner. Like it was like never even worried about it. I mean, like I knew I was athletic enough to recover, but I did worry about I better play my hand slow because he's gonna try to chop the crap out of him

and use leverage. And I knew that I better be ready for the ball, which, by the way, Logs, you couldn't do that bull anymore with the new rules that just came out. How they're gonna emphasize defensive linement lower in the head the bull rush. And so, dude, I mean, and so, but I knew that was one of the things Logs was gonna do. And but and that was great work. But you also know you're gonna face all different kinds of guys and listen, it's never perfect in

training camp. But if you look in the past, even last year for this team, you gotta gote to Baltimore, you got the preseason, you're practicing against other teams. I mean, those are all valuable situations for two things. One guy's get ready to play a game. But I think we're also discounting for a coaching staff in a front office to evaluate your roster, Like I have no idea watching the practices that I've watched, how are you gonna how

are you gonna evaluate that bottom ten? You know, so from from forty five to fifty five of your roster this year, and I mean Joe di Camillis has a tough job to build the special teams out and find those guys, um because you usually find those guys in pre seasons. All right, let's come back in a moment. We'll touch around the NFL and our final segment it is Jaguars a Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Hi, I'm Tito Beverd's founder and master distiller at Tito's Hammade Vodka.

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J P. Shadrick, Jeff Flogman, Tony Baselli. Let's go around the National Football League quickly and start in Washington, where a lot of news has come out of that city in the NFL in the last six months. Especially The Post on Wednesday reported additional examples of workplace sexual harassment and made allegations and owner Dan Snyder was personally involved and reported a former cheerleader said that Snyder had invited her to a hotel room with one of his friends.

There were extra cheerleading videos made especially for the owner. Snyder has since released a statement denying those allegations. Tony, Yeah, I mean a lot of smoke coming out of Washington. Washington football team and my guess is if the NFL digs into this and they come up with anything, uh that any of this is true based off the investigation they're doing, you're gonna see Daniel Snyder forced to sell or pressure pressure to sell. UM. I just don't think. Listen,

number one, it's wrong. You know, in a leadership position, you should not use that influence to try to get um any sort of sexual favors or harassment or anything like that. It's uncalled for. There's no place for it. And I think if it is true, we'll wait and see, you know, and it's until proven guilty. UM, I think there'll be so much pressure and he'll have to sell the team. Yeah, just a real, real quick thought on

that JP. Obviously, Daniel Snyder has denied the allegations. The big concern there for me is that the league has allowed the Redskins to do their own investigation. And how in the world can an investigation be impartial if it's done by the team. Such a good point, Jeb, I think. I think if if the league was smart, they'd get their own investigator in there immediately and do an independent investigation. You can't let the guy pick the guy who's gonna

investigate him. That's right, and we'll see what the next steps are in Washington. Back to football now, Joe Mixon out of practice with my grains. But Joe Mixon also wants a new contract and does not have it. You had. He missed practice Wednesday, not planning on practicing Thursday. But he has consecutive seasons, three straight seasons of thousand yards rushing. Joe Mixon is one of the top running backs right Tony. Yeah, I think I don't know if he's one of the top. Like,

I don't think he's He's not Alvin Camaro to me. Um, he's not a catfree to me. I'm not sure he's Dalvin cooked to me because I think he's Uh, he's a good running back. I don't know if he's great out of the backfield. I don't And Jeff, maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong. But I don't see him as a great pass catcher. And I think to be a great back, then I'm gonna pay a bunch of money to you have to be multi pascitt I mean, you have to really be able to stress at the

vince in different ways. And so, um, he's a good player. Depends how much money he wants, is what I'm gonna paper or not. That's a tough position to to try to kind of create your own leverage to get a contract. And uh, by the way, JP, I'm starting to get a headache. Can can you Tony handle the Doug Morone show? Do you want any contract to? Oh? I'm probably overpaid already. Let's let's one more note here before we get out of here. Um. Bengals quarterback Mackenzie Alexander's father was found

alive after three days missing. He had been missing since Monday night after a berry picking trip down in southwest Florida. He walked up to a ranger station at the Cassimi Prairie Preserve State Park at seven am and good health. And that's great news, guys. Yeah, I love I loved to act like the question like what you do for three days? Like where were you? Like, I mean, he's out.

And here's the indesting thing. His son left practice. He went down and there's an assault charge against him for him going after the last man who saw his dad. So crazy story. I mean, you wonder if you ever actually get to the bottle of it. It was and we know he had berries used to eat, that's for sure. So he made it through a very picking trip, but good news that he's alive. Logs will talk to you the second Bob, We'll talk to you next week. Tony was Cli and Jeff logging and I'm j P. Shadrick.

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