Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, April 7

Look at his thoughts about the Jaguars free agency class. A couple of additions. Three additions on defense of the Big three at the start of free agency and what it's been like to kind of craft this defense. And the players come in next week for the off season program, the volunteery part of it, and they don't have a chance to finally to sit down with the players. Will get with Mike Caldwell coming up. Prospect visits are underway. You've seen reports of players around the Jack's facility, and

of course we'll go around the NFL. Plenty of news around the league. Jeff Logaman joining us. Now, good afternoon to your lives. You a golfer very rarely and and very poorly. Really, Yes, I see that Tiger Woods is just about completed his round. He's minus one. Yeah, he he just birdied sixteen like twenty five ft pot plays went nuts, And uh, that's been the big watch today because you don't know, it's the walk really for him.

He said he can hit all the shots still in his press conferences earlier this week, and so far it's proven out that way. Yeah. That I played golf a lot when I was younger. I don't play anymore for the most part. And but to watch him and to see him what he's doing right now, I mean, wow. Uh, congratulations to him to be able to fight back from the accident that he had, what was it about a year ago, fourteen months ago, fourteen months ago, and to

to see him playing in a tournament. Uh, congratulations to him. That's cool stuff. It really is. We'll see other rest of the weekend goes. But the Jaguars things are about to get busy. Prospect visits are underway, the off season program is next week. There was you know those reports about the draft and what the Jags may or may not do. There that always is happening, so the draft talk will be endless and until it happened, and then of course when it happens, then the next draft talk.

But then you got grades and then did they do good? You know how their draft class go. Everybody's got to put a grade on it, you know. But until then, you've got to have a thousand mock drafts. And uh, and I think this draft is is kind of interesting from my standpoint is that you know, I only watched the top. Eventually I'll watch the top, you know, fifty seventy five guys something like that first couple of rounds

and uh. On a normal draft here, there's usually a out five guys somewhere in that range, could be less, could be a little bit more that usually are at the top of the draft. And you say that that is the elite part of the draft. And do you have that elite five guys in this draft class? I

don't think you do. And I think that that makes the Jaguars to be in a position that may be unenviable or not very enviable, because you'd like to be somewhere to where you feel like you're in a position of strength as far as drafting, where you're in a spot that other teams would like to be, and I don't. I don't. I don't get that feeling from watching some of these prospects because you know, people have asked me before, hey,

who do you think the top five guys are? And I can tell you JP, I can take about ten guys, maybe about fifteen guys, And honestly, on one day, I'll pull five guys out of that, out of that bag and put them in order, and then ask me again to marrow and I may change my mind because there are there's a lot of guys that are real close, really close. So I think it's gonna be really interesting. And I wish it was a draft class because the

Jaguars had the first one for all pick. I wish it had a clear cut number one quarterback because if you had that, you would be in the catbird seat like nobody's business. But you're not because that quarterback is not there. It doesn't exist. Now does it exist for the fifth pick, the sixth pick, the seventh pick. That maybe where that first quarterback ends up falling too, But nobody's fighting to get to number one. No, Because a lot of people think, hey, look if I moved to

five or six. I might be able to get there. Some people may say they can get that quarterback at seven. You know, this came up on I think the Huddle Up podcast yesterday with Bucky would Josh Allen the Jaguars, Josh Allen, if he was coming out this year in this group of prospects, would he be the number one pick? Would he be the best player in this draft? He'd be in the conversation. I mean literally, I mean I think that that's what this draft class is. And that

was Josh Allen, one of those five elite prospects. I think he was right there, right there, and he slipped, remember like it was slipped a little good him And don't don't know exactly why. Okay, um, but the Raiders picked the different guy. They picked Cleveland Farrell. And yeah, but I mean I don't understand why that happened. I mean, that was that was that Mike Mayock, was that John Gruden? I mean, who who knows? But there's absolutely when it happened.

Because I had watched the film on both of the guys, Josh and and the whoever the Raiders pick Cleveland Farrell, and I went, I can't believe they did that. And I said that on a broadcast with me and frank An Tony and I was like, I can't believe that the Raiders drafted Cleveland Farrell. Are you kidding me? What a mistake? And then it pushed Josh Allen down to the Jaguars, and I was like, this is a no brainer.

And I guarantee you that if you asked the people that were in that room and got the truth that they felt that there was no way that Josh Allen would have been available to them at that spot. But he was. Would he be discussion, Absolutely, he'd be in the discussion at first overall pick just because of his his verse at time. He's Aidan Hutchinson. I mean Josh Allen when he was at Kentucky, it was an Aidan Hudson.

The only thing I think that that may have may may give Aidan Hutchinson a little bit of the lead over a Josh Allen if they were in the same draft class right now, might be that Aidan Hushings Hutchinson played at Michigan or plays at Michigan, and Josh was at Kentucky. Now not Kentucky is not Eastern Kentucky or Western Central Kentucky SEC school, and they had a fantastic year that year. They run TV a lot, like the National Game a lot. I mean, they were out there.

He was the SEC defensive Player of the year and so he had a lot of things going. But but I you know, and I get your point that he probably wouldn't be it would be in the conversation for the first overall pick of the draft. And I think that that's very interesting conversation. And I will tell you this that you know, we're we're gonna talk about some of the other prospects because you know, there's a safety

at Notre Dame. There's um, you know, a defensive outside linebacker that hasn't and thinks he should be in the conversation with the first overall pick. There's a Greek pass rusher who goes to Purdue who I love. Uh. There's a lot of prospects that are that are very interesting

in this draft class. And I think that if you were I think your your most value is going to be somewhere in the middle of the first round, to be honest with you, because I think that you're gonna get a really good player in the middle of the first round. So I would put it this way, if the Jaguars could trade the first overall pick and move to five overall and then maybe pick up a second round pick. I mean I'd do it in a minute.

I would. I would do it in a minute. Get more picks, get more picks, and uh, I don't think being in the in the top five is that important this year. Jaguars Happy Hour on t t X, L A M and Jaguars dot Com. J P. Shadrick with Jeff Flagman. This is Prospect visit time. Each team gets thirty visits of prospects. It can be any level, doesn't matter all that. You can invite anybody you want. In fact, there was one team that invited a former lacrosse player

to come as a visit. Of course played quarterback at Division two last year. Do they have to publish, Yes, you have to put your list out. Everybody knows who's coming, so you have to strategize a little bit you might

not want to put out. That's That's kind of my point is that because you're you're publishing that are there some or are some of the visits just a simple smoke screen could be could be I will tell you this that I think if any team's waste a visit on a smoke screen, then I think they're making a major mistake. You've got You've got to because here's the thing, nobody knows how much you truly covet somebody or where

you covet somebody. You may bring one of those thirty in that you like in round three, But does that mean that you bring somebody in who you would not draft at all to pass up the opportunity to get further evaluation of somebody that you would absolutely draft. I think that that would be crazy if you would do that.

You can't pass up the opportunity to gather more information to simply create a smoke screen, because there are players that you want to lie that you like in round one and round two and round three and round four. So bringing guys throughout the draft class that you like, don't waste those thirty visits on oh well, we just want to throw some people off the trail to waste the time. When those visits happen, did you do these

when you were playing? No, they didn't happen. Now that when when I was coming out, the combine was the combine that's still what it is today. As far as the physical testing and the physical evaluation, medical checks, that's all unchanged. The part that's a little bit different is the interview process. It was very informal at the combine. You didn't have these structured You get fifteen minutes with each team and then a blow horn and then you move off to the next station. They didn't do that.

It was very very informal, very informant. Hey, look, would you like can you come and talk to uh? At the time, it was Marty Shot himers with the Kansas City Chiefs, Carl Peterson and Marty Shot Can you can you come and talk to them? Sure, I'll come talk them. And sat down and talked with those two guys and talked with some different personnel guys and different coaches and such. But and then after the the Combine, there was no We didn't have a pro day at University of Virginia.

We just look, I was open for business. Come to the football office. They'll call me and say, hey, look, Dave w instead of the Dallas Cowboys is gonna be here on Tuesday. Can you work out before him? Sure? Yeah, no problem. So I worked out for Dave Wanstad worked out for different coaches, you know, from different other days. They'd call you and come on down. Yeah, So I mean it wasn't like one day. I mean I think I worked out about ten times for ten different people

and probably about five different teams. Pittsburgh Steelers, the New York Jets, the Dallas Cowboys, uh were among quite a few of them. But it was. It's just it's just so more refined now and more planned now than it ever has been. But the the purpose of it all hasn't changed, though, which is that they're trying to gather as much information as again. But we did not never try appl JP to answer the original question, never traveled

to another team's facility to have a conversation. That didn't happen. I don't. I don't even think it was allowed when at that time, when did that really become a thing ten years ago, fifteen years I think so something like that, because I mean just that that wasn't that wasn't allowed

as far as I knew. So, I mean, they could come to you, but they could not or wouldn't didn't fly you into their place to talk to you in personnel, which just didn't happen by the way at the airport, because I guess a lot of these reports that some of these prospects were in town Monday, and I'm sure more were in there's different days, I mean the different organs. I think in the past year they did like everybody in two big days, but maybe they're spreading out some

according to reports now and different different approaches. And I heard that Aidan Hutchinson uh Kuanu, the tackle from n C State, was in town. I can tell he was in town for sure. I saw him at the airport. Big big, I mean I'm talking big dude. I mean when I say big, the arguably one of the biggest chest upper bodies that you would ever see on a

human being. Obviously like barrel chested. Barrel chested. He's a big guy now because when you watch the film on him, when he when he finishes guys, he has the ability to what I call throw guys out of the bar and just by pushing, by pressing guys with his upper body. And when I got the chance to see him in person, I was coming in on the airport or through the airport on on Monday and happen to see him going

out in the afternoon. I was like, that's a big dude, and you know, some mighty ask how do you know it was him? Well, you probably know it's him. I mean he's that bigger, but he's six ft five and three year Yeah. I mean when it kind of sticks out in the airport, it's kind of hard. It's kind of hard to miss miss a guy when he is that big. I can tell you that he's he's a

monster guy. I mean he's big, big, big, big big. Now, Nadan Hutchinson, you know, he might be able to squeeze by without you know, noticing, but you know a guy that's three twenty is, you know, three and has has got that barrel chest. It's kind of hard not to notice that. Because my first thing was like that dude's big right there, but not a bit that he lifts weights. And I look closer and said, that's itky man, that's itkey cool. Let's go back in a moment. We're out

to Mike called well defensive coordinator. He'll be joining us at some point very soon here on the program. Here the tag Wars happy hour, and there's no better time to become at Daily's place Blue member than right now get access to the best seats at Ameniti's premium parking and more for all shows during this year's shaving up to be one the best yet. Dave Matthews Band two nights, Keith Urban two nights, and so much more. Email ticketing at Bold events dot com or call nine oh four

six three three two thousand. We're off and running. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Yeah. Mike and I go way back, uh, you know as as as players together. Um, I've always had a lot of respect for him. You know, we worked together on coach Reid staff, you know in Philadelphia. Um, you know, I also worked with Todd Bowles. And so when when Todd, when Todd left, you know, he always you took Mike with him. As I've always followed Todd and Mike kind

of their defenses weather in New York and Arizona, Tampa Bay. Um, and and always felt like Mike, Mike would make a really good defensive coordinator one day, you know, just given an opportunity. And that's that's kind of like when I was a coordinator, somebody had to give me an opportunity right then. Um, he and I gotta have a great relationship, and uh, I'm just I'm excited to watch him, to watch him work called defenses and uh, you know, going

to work this year. That's head coach Doug Peterson last week at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach discussing Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike called Well, long time player in the NFL, long time coach in the NFL, J P Shadrick, Jeff Loghuman, it's Jaguars happy hour, and speaking of here's Mike Caldwell in studio with us. It's great to see you. Thanks for the time today, coach all, thanks for having me so here we are. You heard Doug Peterson there

last week. You've known this guy for a long time, played together in the league kinda and now finally get to be on a staff with him again. You were with him in Philadelphia. How has it been the first few months settling in as a coaching staff here together? Been been great? Really, a lot of work that's going in everyone's I did, trying to get in, get the scheme going, get the lay of the land, and just uh excited, ready to go, ready to get the players

in here. How many how many guys on the defensive staff did you have a relationship with prior to be a name the defensive coordinator? Pretty much everyone except uh coach Gilbert and coach Sutton. Everyone else, UH knew those guys from, whether it's from Arizona or Philadelphia or even Tampa Bay, sou the staff is it really came together pretty pretty good, and you know we're in there. We're grinding it out and just ready to go. Now what

is it? I think next week the players are allowed to be and you guys aren't allowed to put your hands on them just yet. But how nice will that be? Because when you coach, you gotta have players, And so now the players will finally be coming in here in about a week or so. Yeah, it's a off season strange. You can meet the guys, but you're unable to coach the guys. And I consider coaches teachers, so it's hard to be a teacher when you have no one to teach.

So we're teaching and bouncing things off each other now and I'm real excited ready to get the players then here so we can let them have it and understand and see what they grasp and what they don't then get it to them another way. Yeah, that's the thing I might call it. Well, that's the Jaguars defensive coordinator

here on Jaguars Happy Hour. You can have a defensive scheme in mind, a plan, put some things in, but then if the players and the personnel have a different way of doing it or can't you know, or have different things, you have to adjust on the fly. That's what this offseason is about. Figuring out what your players do best right exactly. That's where the camps come in. As soon as we can get there and get them out able to run around and go against the offense.

Now we can actually see what guys can do. And I'm a big believer of if you can do it well, let them do that. Don't ask them do something they don't do well. So I would need to find out what everyone can do well and will scheme it around their ability. So with a part of this process, when you have a new staff and and first time defensive coordinator, everybody's got to learn to speak the same language. Okay, everybody needs to know the pirate or a spike or

a ram or all these different terminologies. Are are you starting to get to that point where everybody is starting to speak the same language we're trying to. There's uh pat Riley. He's a holdover from the last half brilliant guy, and he's really our quality control, so he handles most of the playbook stuff, so we're actually putting it on him to make sure everyone's speaking the same language. You might call the halfback of R and everyone else calls it an eight. So that's the type of stuff that

we're working through right now, and it's going great. The guys are there really receptive of learning new things because it's like you said, with terminology, it's gonna be different. You're not gonna call it to what you've called it for the last four or five years, so you're gonna have to understand it and learn it and be able

to teach it once the players get here. Yeah, I'm sure that there will be mistakes made you you make a call or you use a term that may have been from a previous stop, and that's just part of the growing process. But one of the parts of the process that I'm excited about was I had the opportunity to watch the film of the guys that you acquired in free agency and want to start with the Lucan the linebacker from the Atlanta Falcons, and I know that that's a position that you hold near and dear to

your heart. And when I turned the film on watching him, what I loved about him downhill linebacker, that's decisive, and he's got a great motor, but he's got the conditioning to support that motor. That's the thing. Uh. Being a former linebacker, you look for guys to have certain traits, and he has the traits of he's gonna be a leader out there, not because he's standing in front of the huddle, but because he's out there and he's working hard and he's leading guys and he's doing it by example.

He's a guy just like you said, it's gonna play downhill, gonna be physical and intelligent player, went to Yale, so you know we're ready to our hands on him and give him as much as he can handle. Fully fought Acasi on the defensive line. Another guy, another late round draft pick, just like Luikan was and has really had to really earn everything he's had in the NFL. Nothing given to those guys when they're a late round draft

pick like that, and from Fokasi's standpoint. I mean, he didn't play much his rookie season and then all of a sudden he's a defensive captain in New York. What is the best part of his game on that defensive line? When when you look at him and when we draft I drafted him, did Yeah. I was on the coaching staff that drafted him. And the thing about it was he was raw when he came out. Now you can see the the talent start the bubble and come out.

He's explosive. He has really strong hands, and he's a force in the middle, and that's someone that you're looking forward to, you know, help stop the run, plug up the middle, and be a physical presence in the middle for offenses have to handle. When did you see that flip for him, like after a year halfway through his rookie season, when did you actually see some develop some change for him? When I actually saw it with when I turned on the film, is uh, look at like

that's the same kid. Yeah, he's different now and watching him one of the things I think that's very rare. It's not very often that you have a one technique defensive tackle because he plays the one he plays the three, but that one of those guys is elected a team captain. Most of the captains are guys that make big plays, that make a lot of sacks and make a lot of interceptions, that make a lot of tackles. It's not

very often that a noose tackles elected a captain. And I think that speaks volumes because that's one of the things that I think has been a theme with your alls. With the free agent process that you guys executed, You've got a lot of captives. How important was that to your to your football team? I think it it's really important. It just goes to the type of player he is

and the type of person he is. He's a guy that's gonna be respected, and you get respected by doing your job well and doing it and pulling others along. And that's what leaders do. And he's uh with a captain there, and we're looking for that same leadership to come here and infuse with the other guys that we have in a defensive line room. All right, So, uh, Darius Williams another guy that you were able to get

in free agency, A local guy, Okay, coming home. How excited was he to have the opportunity to come home and to come here and play for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Well, it's always exciting to come home and play in the stadium that you grew up watching the team play in or you're watching him on TV. But he actually gets to come home and play here for be a part of the Jacksonville team. So that's the most important thing

for him. He was excited. His family is excited and to be able to go out and play in front of your kids. You grew up with your family that you've seen and they can get to the game easily. So that's exciting for him and we're excited to have him. He's a guy that brings a lot of energy when it can go out there and make plays for us and need to boys, so it uh. It helps a lot the way it played out in Los Angeles, especially last year for him. You got Ramsey and those guys

on one side. He was getting a lot of action over there, so you know, and he stepped up to the plate and made some big place for the Rams last year. That's key. Once you're put to the forefront and it's your time again. They have a all star corner on the other side and they think they're gonna pick on you on the other side, and you come there and you stand up and you get to stop.

You know. That's just something we're looking for down here that he can come in and help develop with the other corners were having to back in and trying to keep him making plays the way he did last year. It's a good room now, by the way, that cornerback room, it really has a veterans back there and also a little bit of youth. So it's gonna mix together. When Darius says Duvall, it's got a little extra meting, a little extra meeting. Yeah, that's pretty cool. So part of

the process of improving your football team. It's coming up here pretty soon, the dry draft. So who you gonna draft with? Who do you? Who do you? Who does Mike Caldwell like Right now, I'm in the lab along

with Trent, with Doug the defense staff. We're in there trying to understand who would be the best fit for us, and we're gonna go out there and get the best player, and whoever that may be, we'll be excited for him and he'll be a dag and we'll go out there and we're gonna expect big things from him, let's go. It's a balance. It's a challenge. Right now you're balancing building a scheme on defense and then all the free

agency stuff. It's all it never really ends, but the big first couple of waves are done now and then the draft. All that's working at the same time. How challenging is that for the coaching staff to have to balance all of that at one time? It is It's like a big puzzle. You get different pieces, and you might get this piece or you might have that piece and just trying to put it together. So once you get it together, we all can be on the same

paget ready to go out there and have success. One of the things that's different, I don't know what what your jew come out in the draft three Okay, you came out ninety three. I was eighty nine, and you guys are I guess still in the process where these prospects come and visit you. I get I think thirty guys can come in. Did you do that? Was that? Even when I came out, we didn't have that. The when I came out, the best thing we that I received was a workout and then after workout, the coach

brought me. Uh. I think we went to McDonald's so I got got got a free meal after going through a couple of workouts. So that was that's all you wanted, just a chance, the opportunity. And I think when the guys come here, we just wanna get comfortable, get him in a different setting, show them what we're here to offer. You got them coming down to Florida, which is beautiful,

so you know that's a big plus for us. How much do you learn You got to get a prospect to come in and spend some time with you like that, how much can you learn to do you get a little better feel for the individual and the personality and does it fit in that short amount of time or is it just part of the puzzle. Really, once you get them in, when they come to the combine, you get them for fifteen minutes, the agent can kind of

prep them everything. But when you go out to dinner with him and have him in a building for all day, you're able to find that true personality and see if a guy will fit. What buttons can you push to get him? You know in bad situations, But I really just want to get to know the person and you've

known the player by watching the film. Just uh, once you spend that time with him, get to know the person behind the player, get an idea of what they may react to better or or otherwise, and and keep that in your memory bank and moving ahead, coach, Thanks for the time, thanks for coming across the hallway, and always good to see you, and you're always welcome here and good luck to you. Thank you very much for

having me. Mike called well Jaguars defensive coordinator. The Jags are future focused and ready for a new look in join us to the bank this season. Because Doug Peterson and Trevor Lawrence and and the Jags leave the charge to lock in your seats. Visit Jaguars dot com slash tickets. We're called nine O four six three three two thousand. This is Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.

For one of his versatility was really able to They really showed it off this last year, moving him inside, moving him outside, having the capabilities to be able to kind of live outside, even though you know he's pretty thick in stature, and being able to go down inside

and still being able to hold up. And I think that's where his primary value is going to be is he can play a heavy handed brand of football and hold up inside yet still be loose enough and offer you enough quickness to be outside if you need it. And I just I think that combination something not a

lot of guys have. I mean, of course, you're gonna talk a lot about his teammate to Jordan Davis, who is just an absolute boulder, somebody you're not going to be able to move, but a totally different high player as far as what he's gonna be able to do and what it's gonna be asked to do most likely. So I think Treyvon is gonna be a great pro. That's cold Cublic of SEC Network. The full interview available on Jaguars dot com. He is the analyst on SEC

Saturday Night. Former Auburn center and radio host w j X in Birmingham as well. He got his thoughts on a few of the top SEC prospects coming out, and a lot of those names have been linked to the

Jaguars in different mock drafts. Welcome Back, It's Jaguars Happy Our j P. Shadrick with Jeff Vlogman, Joe Fort, Jnado, Brent Reaverer and our thanks to Mike Caldwell, so coming in Jaguars defensive coordinator, it's a lot going on at the same time, just getting into town a little later than a lot of coaching staffs might and then here we go hit the ground running. Well the part we asked him about just because it we did it all the year and said, you know, hey, you're starting to

get settled because a lot of people don't understand. Okay, you get an new coaching staff, well, you also have to change cities. You have a family, and you have to try to get the family moved. I mean, there's a lot of moving parts for for NFL coaches because they literally have to be a little bit part gypsy because that's kind of just the name of the game. And this is the business you've chosen. Well, and I

mean that's what they signed up for. So I mean, you know, I'm not asking anybody to feel sorry for him. I mean just you know, that's asking people to kind of understand what they have going on in their life. And it's a lot and uh and so Mike's got a lot going on and uh and and also being a first time defensive coordinator and so uh, yeah, I mean that's trying to learn to speak the same language.

And I brought that up because I mean JP literally when you have and you assemble a staff, a defensive staff or an offensive staff, you're bringing in a lot of guys that you know, but they may all come from different systems. You may have spent some time together in past places. But you also have these different languages that you're all coming from most recently, and so you have to be able to all speak the same language. And so you have to decide on terminology and uh

and everything of that nature. So that's not an easy thing to do, not an easy thing to do at all. And the one thing that I like what Doug Peterson and I think he did this and I think it was very smart to help out Mike because he's the

first time called wells. Bob Sutton was kept on staff and a lot of people maybe don't appreciate and understand this, but Bob Sutton has been an extremely successful defensive coordinator in the National Football League before, most recently with the Kansas City Chiefs and highly respected, highly respected, and urban Meyer hired him. Doug Peterson kept him very smart and will that will help Mike called well, it's gonna be

Mike Show. But man if if if I'm approaching something for the first time, to have the ability to go to somebody who's been there and done that, bounce ideas off of them, and to get that kind of that free flowing information opinions, that's valuable, very valuable, because Mike Caldwell is going to be in a lot of places that he's never been this year, and to have somebody who has been there and to be able to lean on that past experience with somebody on staff, I think

is absolutely important. One of these days, we're gonna put a microphone in front of Bob Sutton and get some stories out of that man. He's got some stories now talked to him, you know, and off the air, and yeah, he's got some stories. That would be a fun one for sure. Of course, the draft is three weeks away from tonight, you believe that. By the way, the guy that that you talked to on the podcast, I love his opinion on on Trayvon Walker, and I think he's

dead on. I think I think Trayvon Walker is gonna be a really good pro. When he talks about heavy hands, uh that's uh heavy hands. First of all, the hands need to be in the right place to be heavy to begin with, which is a technique thing. Trayvon Walker has excellent hands, are in the right place. He plays strong. He does have the positional flexibility. He can kick down and play as a three technique. He can play defensive end on in a four B. He can do it

in a wide six. So I think he's got a lot of value and will have a lot of value to a team that can use a guy that can play multiple positions. Will he be right at the top of the draft. I don't know if he's gonna be right at the top, but he is gonna be a good football player. He's one of those guys JP I'm talking about that could end up at at one, two, three, could end up at ten. It depends on what team likes, what he has to offer right, and what other guys

that need That's what I'm saying about that. You know the guys that you put into a bag and you just pull five names out, that's how how they may fall. You're just not sure yet because there's a lot of guys that are that are real close together talent wise in that top ten, top twelve guys. This is Jaguars Happy r J P Shatdrick with Jeff log I'm glad you were with the Sun since x L A M. And Jaguars Twitter, Facebook and YouTube on this Thursday afternoon.

You know, earlier you talked about some of the other prospects that you've been looking at on film. We've heard about the big names. Last week we did the Big four, the two big tackles, the two big defensive lineman including Walker. But there's a few other names that people will here early in this draft, and maybe not as early as

you'd think. But let's start with a guy like you know, you're talking about the Greek guy from that I think is how you pronounced his last name, George, George Carlaftis and uh, he's he wears a single digit number number five. And when you watch him play, this guy, he he might be the best pass rusher in the draft as far as the smoothest guy, having just past he can do it, you know, he really can do. He's got great hips, he's got a great bend, he has got

he's fluid as can be. And where is he gonna be drafted? And he's gonna be in the first round somewhere, I don't know exactly where six four, two sixty six and bench press one, you know, vertical jump thirty eight got up there. Well, I think he can and I think he can weigh a little bit more. He could probably play to seventy to seventy five somewhere in that range. But he's a very real smooth pass rusher and uh,

he's a guy. That's what I'm saying is that if if you're the Jaguars, you could find a way to trade down. Like I said, there's probably not a very strong chance of that, but if you could, that's I think where that value is is where like a guy like Karl Laftus isn't gonna end up being. But I think he's an intriguing prospect. He only played football for a short period of time because I think he came

to this country at at a late eight eight play. Yeah, I didn't start playing football until he got over here. So I think that what that says is that there's a lot of untapped potential still there and uh, and I think it's gonna be interesting. And on the flip side of that, you have the safety at Notre Dame Hamilton's who many people believe that he is the and have him listed as the highest rated prospect in the draft.

And he does have a lot of skills, and he's got size, he's a he's kind of a different safety, and that he almost has the build of a linebacker. He's tall, he's range e. But I think the one concerned four yeah, that I would have, which you don't see mary many six four safeties around. But in in today's NFL, a six fourth safety, you're thinking, can we

convert him the linebacker? Right? I mean that's but today's NFL is a little more weight on him and throw him up there, right, yeah, okay, but when you look at his forty time okay, you got us forty time there, I do what is it? Four five nine? Okay, that's four six yeah? Okay. I have a hard time because after watching the film of him, he's got ball skills.

But there were some moments to where the the the whole name of safety, okay, is that you're the safety valve, last guy, last line of defense, right, And he missed some opportunities at the most critical point of the job description of playing safety. He missed the opportunity to making a tackle that saved touchdowns, and when you watched him pursue from a bad angle. I sat there and I

said to myself, this guy is not that fast. And I and this is before I looked at what the reports were, what the numbers were from the combine, And you look at the combine and you see four or five nine. Okay, that's four six. That's not elite speed, especially for a defensive back. So I have a hard time sitting there saying that he's the highest rated prospect

when he runs a four or five nine. Okay, if he was a linebacker and he ran four or five nine and he was sick four and he was two hundred and thirty pounds maybe two twenty five, then you'd be oh excited about it because it's a different position, requires different speed. But I'm sorry, I can't get on board with Hamilton being the highest rated prospect because four

or five nine doesn't do it for me. If you rewound to uh, let's say two three months ago, and looked at a lot of mock drafts NFL draft previews, Cavon Cavon Tibodeau's name would have been right at the top of a lot of lists. In fact, early in the process, he was mocked to the Jaguars a lot, a lot of these big time mock drafts. That hasn't happened in a long long time. What's the story with

Cavon Thibodeaux. Well, he's interested in. He's not a big guy, okay, He's kind of true what you would describe as a linebacker. He's six four, two fifty four officially. Okay, So when you compare him to Carl Laftis or Aiden Hutchinson or the guy from Alabama Alabama, Trayvon Walker Georgia, or from Georgia, Travior Lark, he's not He's not. He's much smaller. I mean, you know, I mean not. I'm not cutting hairs here.

I mean literally, when you watch the tabe, you go, that guy is not that big and not quite that small because like two five, yeah, a little shorter than that. But but the point is is that he's a little different type of player. He is truly, he's not a guy that you'd say, Okay, we're gonna put his hand in the ground and play four three. I think he's a he's a true three four linebacker and he's got some exceptional quickness off the ball, but he does he's

not He doesn't have a lot of moves. Okay, when you when you pass rush, you have to have moves, and I think that's something that he's still learning. He doesn't have a patent move like Karl Aftis has got moves. Aidan Hutchinson has got moves, Trayvon Walker has got power. Okay, this guy had. He's still trying to figure it out, it seems. And so I think that's one of the reasons why I don't want to say his stock is

is dropped, because I don't think it has. I think that's what why he's rated a notch below some of these other guys at the top. But it's not a very big notch below now, Okay, but he's got superior athleticism. So with superior athleticism, you know that the guy has a chance of of being great. Because when you watching Nadan Hutchinson, do you go, oh my god, what a phenomenal athlete. You don't say that, Myles Garrett, when you watched the film, you went, oh my god, this guy

is sick. Okay, and uh, but he's a superior athlete. So I think that gives him a chance at improving. Dante Fowler was that Dante Dante Fowler was a phenomenal athlete. I mean, the first time ever laid eyes on him in person, I was like, oh my god. But but this which I'm pointing out the head if you're listening on radio, than the mind and the body sometimes don't

work together. And and I'm not saying that to be mean, other than to point out that if if Dante had because there's I'm not saying that a guy has to be smart to be able to play football, but you have to have the football instincts, and certain guys have instincts and play instinctual even though the system okay, maybe a little bit complex, that that that body naturally takes it over and uh and with Dante, that was that never was his strong suit he but athletically he's one

of the greatest athletes I've ever seen. We'll come back in a moment. We'll take a live look at the Football Performance Center. It's been a rainy day outside, and we'll also go around the National Football League. Thanks to Mike called Well, Jaguars defensive coordinator, who joined us a little earlier on the show, this Jaguars Happy Hour on

the Jaguars Didgital Network. Welcome Back is Jaguars Happy Our Thursday afternoon, JP Shaddrick with Jeff Lagerman And if you're watching on Jaguars Twitter, Facebook, YouTube or Jaguars dot Com, you're looking live at the Football Performance Center. And the footprint is taking shape more and more each day, except today because it's raining cats and dogs off and on today and it is a big mud pit today. But we're still on track for training camp. Of they've been

pouring concrete when it's been dry enough. The last couple of last week or so since we've had this program, they've added some concrete walls are going up. I saw blocks being put together yesterday and uh, you need to get the monster trucks out there for kind of what it looks like, right Yeah, monster jam ye, monster jam love it. Uh. So, of course we're looking forward to the progress, their progress the shipyards as all. The fire museum has moved down the street now uss or Lock

is in town now right on the riverfront downtown. That's pretty cool. They're gonna make a permanent home for that, I think up in the shipyards somewhere, so that did they give a timeline on when that would be available. I don't know that, yeah question, but it's yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing that pretty cool, Like you just driving by it and checking it out. It's it's gonna be a nice edition. That's a long time coming. That's a pretty cool addition to downtown. Yeah, I'm looking forward

for the first tour of that as well. Hey, let's go around the National Football let's do that. A lot going on a lot around the NFL. Two more money, well yeah, big money and yeah, both ways. I think two more coaches joined the Brian Flores suit against the NFL. Steve Wilkes, the Cardinals head coach in eighteen, Ray Horton

and assistant in the league since ninety four. He interviewed for the Titans job, and there was a tweet earlier today that brought up a Mike Mlwarkey podcast interview from a year or so ago, and he talked about the process of interviewing as the Titans head coach and felt like that, hey, they told him you already had the job, and that's what this comes from, the Ray Horton part

of it. So that will be a continuing story obviously, it's uh, you know, the the NFL has got a couple of things that that are not very positive right now that they're dealing with Brian Floors lawsuit being one of them. The reports about Daniel Snyder on multiple fronts, they keep adding are not reflecting very well. Congressional inquiries into different organizations, uh sexual harassment type of things. So, um, yeah, the NFL is uh and and they'll get through it.

They will because they're gonna make I think good decisions to make sure that the league is headed in the right direction. But right now, yeah, it's that's not too good to Deshaun Watson. I guess now has to give testimony as to the relationship with some of the consensual relationships that he had was massage therapists. So it's like there's a lot going on. The NFL's probably sitting are Gland.

Can we get to the draft quickly please? Pro Football Talk earlier today cited multiple sources that after his retirement, originally Tom Brady would have been introduced as minority owner of the Dolphins. The report on February that the Dolphins had planned to pursue a Sean Payton tom Brady package deal, but then the Brian Flores lawsuit came filed the same day Brady retired. The Dolphins pulled the plug on that

plan of bringing both together in Miami. That would have been something else well it obviously everything going on with Stephen Ross too, that would have that would have been very interesting, and I don't think there's any doubt that the Bradys can afford to be a part owner of a franchise. Look, both Mr and Mrs do very well, and I think the Misses does better than the mister absolutely um. Also, somebody else doing very well these days

is Stefon Diggs. Four years, one four million dollar extension, including seventy million guaranteed dollars. His contract now runs through seven with the Bills, a total value of a hundred and twenty four million. Added to the list of wide receiver mega contracts, Tyreek Hills seventy two million guaranteed with the Dolphins, Davante Adam sixty five million guaranteed with the Raiders. Big money. That's why I was talking about big money.

And the wide receiver position is crazy. The Deshaun Watson contract, I think is ridiculous. The the contracts for the wide receiver so how's it ridiculous? Money guaranteed? What's the guaranteed amount of money for for a person that has some unresolved issues. I think that that was a poor decision by the Haslems, who admitted that they didn't know what they were doing at the onset of their period of time when they first bought or acquired the Cleveland Browns.

But the reality is is that when you do a deal like this, you're saying that we didn't know what we were doing. I think the argument could be made that it's very apparent that you don't still don't know what you're doing. Because when other owners say that that's not a good thing for the NFL. When you give a guy that has issues that kind of guaranteed money, like Stephen Boscott, he said, uh, the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, that's a problem. That's a that's I think that's a

big problem. Now, a guy like Davante Adams and the money that he got, Okay, digs, Okay, I mean these guys productive clean, no off the field issues. Tyreek Hill Okay, he's got he's got some off the field issue, so we can play, but he can play like nobody's business. I mean, that's just so. I mean, I'm glad some of these guys are getting the money and the guaranteed

money is coming. I think that's good for NFL players because NFL players have always had that issue that there's very little money that has been guaranteed in their contracts over the year. So I think this is a positive thing. But I also think it needs to be positive from the standpoint of the teams need to be given that the players that don't have any issues Nate Hackett and

the Broncos and using their top thirty visits. Interestingly, one of those an excellacrosse star making a visit with the Broncos. Jared Bernhardt was a member of the Maryland lacrosse team last spring and won the award is the nation's best collegiate lacrosse player in one He then transferred grand transfer played quarterback at Ferris State in Michigan last season, led them to a Division two national championship in football, he'll be a receiver and kick returner in the NFL. Why not?

What a path? Uh? Why not? Hey? By the way, Patrick Kearney, do you remember Patrick Kearney played defensive end for the Atlanta Falcons also went on to play for the Seattle Seahawks. Was one of the what was a college lacrosse player at the University of Virginia, and so, look, I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing a guy that played in college lacrosse. I think there's some crossover.

Jim Brown one of the greatest lacrosse players ever. There you go, uh so, uh so, but I think this is a little This is pretty cool and that you know, he went somewhere else played little football. I mean, good stuff. I mean, I think that's a good decision there. Athletes are athletes, and they all don't make the conversion from one sport to another. But I think lacross and football, I think there's uh there's some similarities there. Live's great stuff.

We'll talk to you again next week, looking forward to Joe Fortunado, Brent Reaver for Jeff Flagman and defensive coordinator Might called Well. I'm J P. Shadrick. Thank you for listening. We'll catch you next time. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.