Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, December 20

Tony Boselli is nearby. We'll hear from him soon. The Urban Meyer aftermath continues, in fact reviewing Week fifteen, the Texans over the Jaguars thirty to sixteen. The final score. The Jags are number one in the draft order next year. We'll get to that, of course, social media questions and

around the NFL and Week fifteen, Welcome in again. A wild week, of course with the Jacksonville Jaguars that started truly last Saturday, NFL media reports about tension between the players, the staff, and head coach Urban Meyer, and then the

next day a twenty nothing loss at Tennessee. Last Monday, Jack's owner Shot con was meeting with select media members on the eve of the tenth anniversary of ownership, so he was out in the media with a lot of things going on, NFL owners meetings in Dallas Tuesday and Wednesday. Tampa Bay Times article released Wednesday afternoon, but in reality the wheels had been in motion, and then Thursday at twelve thirty nine am the announcement that Meyer was fired.

Thursday and Friday preparation under interim head coach Daryl Bevil, and then Saturday at five pm Meyer speaking with Ian Rappaport of NFL Media, apologizing to Jacksonville, denying accusations against him in the final days. And then Sunday, a loss to the Houston Texans with a third round rookie quarterback in Houston and a handful of starters out for the Texans with COVID nineteen special teams issues, dropped some few

big plays on offense. Interim head coach Darryl Bevil after the game, you know it really what really ends up being a normal week. I mean, we're used to all kinds of things that change, and so we have to be ready to um to make adjustments and uh and and be able to adapt to the situation and thought our guys, whether it was the players or the coaches did a good job putting the plan together. Um, the guys were, The guys were ready, they were into it. Um,

we just didn't play a clean football game today. That's Darryl Bevil of course. Pete Prisco joining us now CBS Sports senior writer, And a good afternoon, Pete. What a week it's been. Man. Where where's the big fella? I don't know. He's apparently nearby. He said he's gonna be a few minutes behind. He had something going on and he'll be in here. Well, maybe I said, having that needing to try and become the general manager, I see that.

You think that's what they haven't even got. They haven't even got rid of the new gentleman, the old generalman. He's already sniffing around. It's a cold business. You like stirring it up, Pete, I know how you do. I sure do, boy, I started up for a while, didn't I. Look. Look, I'll be honest with you. I was not surprised he got fired. Uh should he have been fired? Yes, he should have been fired. Um. How many different ways did I say without really saying it? I mean I said no,

I said said yeah, I said it. I I just think that the whole thing got out of control, and it's it's unfair, Like I went on my my rant last week, it's unfair to the fans to have this happen again, and you can't allow it to happen again. So now he's gone. Uh, they have to go find the right guy to build this thing around that quarterback.

And and the quarterback has regressed. And I watched the tape today and he missed some throws, and his mechanics have waned, and his feet aren't great, and like the throw to Marvin Jones in the end zone should have been a touchdown, and his aiming, his feet were bad, his aiming point was bad. There's all these little things that have gone wrong with him. And so I think it's a combination of a bunch of different reasons why.

But now you move forward and find the guy to fix them, find the guy to to build it around him. And I think they can. I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches out there. Uh, there's a lot of smart people out there, and I think they can find the right guy. Don't get caught up in name. Don't get caught up in name. That's all I have to say. They've played that game before. Look, they played at this time Urban Meyer, the name, the name of

the name. Clearly, Um, this was a mistake, and I think Seanko had been in this mistake by firing him. And now you move on. But not a good look for this franchise. Laughing stock again. Hate to say it, but it is laughing stock franchise. Everybody around the league laughing at him. How could they do this? How could the same thing happen over and over again? What do you do to fix it? Who? Who does Sean con consult with? That's a good question, Uh, because I don't

think Trent Ball he's gonna be back. I just don't. So you can't rely on him. And so what do you do? Who do you rely on? Who do you lean on? What do you call for advice? That's the million dollar questions right now. Because I don't think shod Khan can do it himself. That's a big question for sure. Pete Priska with us Tony Boselli coming up here on

Jaguar's Happy Hour. How about the aftermath of this the last few days, all the stories and interviews and things that are happening with the urban and you know, trying that this football team is trying to move forward and get some things done. They didn't play obviously well on Sunday. It's just a lot flying around right now, including Tony Boselli, including toys walking through the walking right in front of the camera. Of course, Donty, don't worry about us. We're

just doing a show here. Welcome to the show, Tony. This show is much better now that I'm here, Pete. Less of you, more me. How did it? How did it go? Tony? How do the interview go for the GM job to go? Well? That was the meeting you were at, right, you gonna give me a no, no, no. He was chopping and she was chopping a tree down. It's cold. Look at this jacket, he's got it. Yeah, your lumberjack today? Is that what it is? Started? Like Christmas? Jack?

Is it cold? It's freezy outside? Ye, and I don't want to rub it. It was eighty two today here, so it's not. Yeah, I was. It was eighty two of the weekend here and I was on the boat hanging out. Now it's cold, Pete. And I've become a Florida I've become a Floridian, like I don't like the cold. Don't like cold. Neither do I. And by the way, speaking of cold, uh, they got a cold body out of it the other day. And then I mean, my gosh, they cleaned it out and I got tony. I said already,

I said, they gave him. I give Shand Khan credit for admitting his mistake. He deserves the merits for making the mistake. But he admitted it, and that's that's the best decision for the franchise. He made, made the decision to get rid of that guy. And look how many different ways did we say it on here or I did anyway, he's you never said it, but I did um that he had to go. Well, Pete, I think you have a really good point, and I'm sorry I

missed a couple first couple of minutes. Is that that's not that was not an easy decision for Shot And I know, like for the fans and even us and what we do. And people are like, oh, just fine, just get rid of him, like that's like the easy button, Like we think it's easy, Like we'll just get rid of him. He's a bad coach or he's not doing a bad job or whatever. But if you, like, I would challenge all of us and anyone listening, like, put yourself in shot shoes, I mean number one. And yes

he got it wrong. That's never like no one ever wants to admit you got it wrong, and especially when you invest a lot of time and money and energy like there's I always try to remind people it's like Shot Cohn wants to win, like that's the goal, Like

he is, like he is trying his best. Now you could argue that it's not worked, it's not been the right call, that's fine, but don't question the desire and the investment to try to win and what impressed me about the situation, because that's a hard decision because he like this was his hire and there was a lot of excitement about it, and it was a big higher and there was a lot of investment into it into make the call he did last week, and the way he did it and the timing and how swift he

was and decisive. That's not easy to do. I don't care what anyone says and like, oh he was a bad guy and you have cause this or whatever, blah blah blah. There's an emotion. There's an emotional side to it, and I'm with you, Pete. I applaud shot. It was a tough decision. It was the right decision in my mind and in my opinion, but that doesn't make it easy.

When you're the guy who has to do it and you have a lot of emotion and money and time invested into that individual, it'll be it'll be an easier decision if they get the honey money, they don't have to pay the money out for cause, then it's an easy decision. Really well, I don't know if it's easy, but you know, you still make emotion. Remember how big a deal it was when he was what's an ego thing too? You look bad. It looks bad for the organization.

Hiring has not been right. His hiring his head coaches has not been good. Let's be real about it. It has a been so he thought he had his guy and he didn't get his guy, and so it's embarrassing. It's not embarrassing because he's above that. He's too good a man, he's above being embarrassed. But it's a bad look for the organization to keep missing on your head coaches and missed this guy when you think he's the greatest of the great He got bamboozled about urban Meyer.

He got caught up. It's like I always say about players, it's game, not named, game, not name. They got caught up in the name because clearly that he wasn't any game. There was, Yeah, there was no game. And I think you know, I think you're right. It's not that he's like it's embarrassing, but you don't. I mean, shot Con did not become successful or arrive at the success he has as a business person if he wasn't like uber can petitive, like the dude likes to win. He wins

it everything in life. Like he is really dangn good at business, like and like makes tough calls and and like makes the right call and and so he's competitive. Like that hurts when you lose and when it's your decision and it doesn't work out and it impacts. It's not about him be embarrassed. I mean who It's like when I lost the game. I wasn't embarrassed. I was mad. I want to win. It's about winning and and that's

hard and to admit that and to cut your losses. Um, I applaud him I think it was the right move, like I said, and uh, it's time to move forward. I'm glad, you know, we don't have to talk about that situation any longer because it was a bad situation. I said it last week, I said this morning on the show. You know what I'm saying after he is, I'm saying, after this show, we won't have to talk about it anymore. Well, there'll probably be five more things

that pop up that we can about. Oh yeah, that's true. Now, yeah, yeah, one quick thing, Tony. The mechanism for getting rid of them was in place from what I hear before the Lambo story went public, because they knew about the Lambo story. I don't think, yes, I don't think that he was fired because of Josh Lambo's accusation of being kicked and being called bad names. By the way, there's some people that would have thought that Josh Lambo was the one doing a kick. I would say, like, and I'm not

saying it's okay. And I know, j I don't know what you're talking about. I know the world's different that yes, you do. But Pete, what didn't people get called names all the time when I was playing here? Oh, he get me. I mean, I could go through a laundry list of things that he did. It's a different time, Tony, you know that's different. I never I never got kicked in a day. I never got kicked. But I said I never got kicked though, No, that he was more

of a verbal warrior than anything. He was fear. It was fear, not physical. It's fear. Well, but I mean there were times where Tom probably got a little bit across the line. Maybe not back then there was no line um today, yeah, probably the But to your point your question, Pete, No, I do not think and everything I've heard in all the statements, I do not think that urban Meyer was fired by shot Cohn because of

the Josh Lambo situation. I do not think that's why I think there's a fire him with cause that you didn't need that for that reason. That's my opinion. I mean, I don't know another. I mean, that's kind of what I've heard and probably heard the same time. I've heard that though through the grapevine for people that that's exactly what it was. So so, and now they've taken criticism for not firing them. That Monday Sunday, your money, you know some people. Yeah, why why why wait until the

middle of the night. Why does it matter? Some times? Well, sometimes you got to go through some fine lines on the paperwork and everything. What's the hurry through their due diligence? Yeah, what does it matter if theory being that you didn't game plan. The best thing about it is he didn't even. He didn't even he didn't even talk to his team. Well the word is he to his coaches? He walked out the door. Well, it sounds like it wasn't the first time he left, based on some of the comments.

I told you that a long time ago. That was the book on him home at four thirty. Uh, you know, phone off, you're not reachable. Now. I don't know if that. I can't verify that one under percent, but I've been told by that by a couple of different people. So you know, when you're the head coach of the team, you got and and and look he did get there like the four o'clock, three o'clock in the morning from what I understand, So it wasn't like he wasn't working.

I don't want to say that, but you gotta be available around the clock when you're the head coach. Yeah, I don't know. Bebel kind of didn't Bevil kind of make like a joke about it. Almost. It was almost like he was flippantly saying that when he said it. I just got the sense from watching the stuff I watched the coaches, yo color, they feel like they're liberate. A Hey, we're free now let's go. Well so, yeah, but that's what I don't know about that. Pyeah and Pete,

I think that's a misnown. You're not free still. I mean, listen, three games, you have three games agoing pree, but free of free of that mentality and that well maybe the free of that mentality in the direct supervision of urban myrin what that brought. But here's the reality. Every one of this building is gonna be judged in in in three weeks from now, and they're gonna be evaluated based

on their job. And and my guess is, and again this is me tony and not speaking for the organization, but if I was a betting man, that's not the last change. It's that's gonna be made, just my guess. So I would imagine, and this is something JP We're gonna we're gonna have to address this. What what's the next step in finding the next head coach. I mean, what is the next step, Because you've got a window now where you can start interviewing guys earlier than you've

ever been able to do. The next next week, that's part of the next week. That's that's why it's good to get the process going. If you're gonna do it, not wait. So I'm I'm all for what they did. You know that I would have done it a long time ago. I thought I thought the team was unorganized. I didn't think he looked like he cared. I thought that the players were pushing back on him way back in training camp, which is never Look, that's no reason

to get rid of a guy. Yeah, the incident when not flying back with your team, which is of all the things he did. Look the incident with the girl at the bar, that's between him and his family. It's a stupid look. But not flying back with your team, from a football standpoint, is one of the worst things I've seen in this league in a long time. The worst you go down, your team loses. That's a tough loss. Go home with him. If you want to go back

to Ohio, get on your private plane and go. You don't you go home with your team and and the whole body of work he had to go. He was a bad coach. He didn't know what was going on with his team. They made the right decision, get him the hell out, move forward to get a new coach. Well, we know how Pete feels. Yeah, he just laid it out there again. Let's come back. We'll get into the

quarterback Trevor Lawrence. A lot to talk about there, A lot to discuss there, because that's really priority number one, I think for the future, one and two and three primary. Yeah, a whole handful of priorities for this team, moving ahead plenty ahead of course. In the second hour your social questions, Twitter is a buzz as you would imagine, Tony, I know you love it. No you don't. Yeah, I can't wait. He shook his head. No, No, I was shaking my

head into excitement. Can't wait? Is that what it is? Well, we're off and running either way. It's Jaguar's Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Jaguar is happy. I was fucked. You buy dream Finders home homes that fit your lifestyle and by that just help changing, help cham for good. Definitely, frustrating. All the guys are frustrating. We wanna we want to be more consistent, We want to we want to win. Um, So it's definitely frustrating. But like I said, we're the

ones I controlled that. You know, we gotta go make the play. I gotta I gotta make those throws, um the other plays, Gotta gotta make catchers, we gotta. We all have our part, you know, and um, there's no way around that. Like, we all have to. We all have to play better. So that's the thing. He's gonna look yourself into the air and can figure out how to get better. And I think we'll do that, but

you gotta really do it this week. That's Trevor Lawrence of course, after the game yesterday and Jaguar is lost to the Houston Texans. Six consecutive losses for the Jags. Now, j P Shadrick, Tony Vaselli, Pete Prisco, I'm Jaguars happy, are glad you're along with us today? We recapping the game yesterday day offensively well more. James Robinson, Okay, we cut to the child. Let me cut to the chase here,

am I right? In the statistic Trevor has one touchdown in the last six games, seven games, Like that's all. That's the story. That's the whole story, start, finished, middle, foreshadowing, climax, conclusion. It's like whatever, it's like, that is the entirety of the story. Like, you have to have more production in today's NFL. Like it's beyond me to think that we've thrown one touchdown pass one in seven games? What about

nine on the year? Okay, that that will go. But Pete, at least in the first um, so we played twelve games, now thirteen games. Now, at least in the first six week, threw eight fourteen games two and twelve, record two and twelve, thank you too, and twelve. So in the at least in the first seven we through eight one in the last seven. That's like unreal. He's numbers about his average is about as good as your blocked average. Because you locked last week. By the way, we haven't given you

crap for that. You know, I was forced into the lock. Let's be clear. I did not as a forced lock. I mean the lock is voluntary. I just started locking. The other team's winning. I'm gonna lock the Jets winning this week. JP's got a lock. JP has got a lock this week. Yeah, I gotta locked the next two weeks. They gotta win the next two to sweep the a f C. East. It's not gonna I called that after the Bills win. That was, in hindsight, not the best lock.

That's not gonna go. They're not winning again. Okay, they're not winning again again not winning so too. We're at two in the pool before the season, you're the winner. Yeah, but before to our numbers go back to the issue of one touchdown in seven games, like, how does it happened? Like that is like completely being inept Davis. Davis snails through two touchdowns last yesterday against US too well. He would have had Trevor through And I told JP this

before you came on. The throw to Marvin Jones is a touchdown. His mechanics were awful. Is his body was pointing one way and he threw with his arm the other way. And that's where he's missing. I know he Marvin Jones is open. I realized that I'm not saying I'm not blaming the receivers right now, I'm actually putting

it right on the laughing No, that's my point. But I'm blaming the quarterback on that what has happened Pete to where we are throwing one touchdowns in seven games and Trevor Lawrences or quarterback like something's not right, Like that needs to be that's when we actually aren't scoring a lot of touchdowns either, Are they get that beauty.

I'm just gonna go. I just want to focus right now on the quarterback in the throwing in the lack of production and lack of like any thing, and so like the longest touchdown past of the year, I don't know and I don't care right now. I care that there's only been one in the last seven games, and the focus like there needs to be to steal our past coaches vernacular, a deep dive on what is going on with Trevor Lawrence and why where are we missing it? Is it the offense? Is it the coaching? Is it

the mechanics? Is it all of the above? Because I just refused to believe that the kid can't play quarterback. I've seen too much, saw too much in camp, saw too much early in this season. Like he's not he's not going in the right direction, and that needs to be the focus of this entire organization from now until next season we kick off getting the right leadership to make sure that kid is is like maximizing his potential.

By the way, to answer your question, Pete, the longest touchdown past of the year for him is forty one yards back in Week one at Houston. His longest past play of the year is fifty yards against Tennessee on October tenth. It's a long time ago too. Those I don't remember those throws. Are they down? The throw? They not? One of them was a screen right, no idea, But you know what I do. You see what I'm Yeah, No, it has he has to be the focal point Tony,

the whole thing. Whatever they do going forward the rest of the season, who they hire, it has to be about him. He has regressed. His mechanics have waned. You can see it on tape. He is in that opening drive. Yeah, the opening drive. They looked like they were going down the field bing bing bing bing bing. They look good at that drive. Then it was the end of it and went away. He is right now. The play where he had Odiot or Shaughnessy on the sideline was playing designed.

They faked the bubble screen and they wrut him up the sideline. So what do they do now? They go back and run the bubble screen about fourteen more times the rest of I mean, look, I can criticize the offense all you want. I just you know how I feel about that. But he is regressing because the design of offense, because receivers don't win, because he's getting hit, and because he just hasn't improved. He's not And that's the most discerning thing. Would you agree, He's just not

accurate right now? His mechanics Tonty, Yeah, yeah. If you watch the throw, I saw it times step into it, step into it. It's a touchdown. His body's going one way, his arms going the other. It's a terrible mechanics are terrible. By the way, that Week one touchdown was a past deep left to DJ chart. I remember that against Houston, far corner of the end zone, away from where the booth is going right to left. That's correct, back right

corner of the end zone, that's correct. And then he threw another touchdown past the man hurts in that game, didn't he yeh. He had three in that game, so he has nine for the year. So he was on he was on pace for fifty something. He had five in the first three weeks of the season and then four. That's a problem, Yeah, big problem. And he's part of the problem. You know, I didn't I like when I say that's a problem. He's part of including that problem.

Are you worried about him? Yes, I'm worried about everything. I'm worried, Pete. How can you not be worried about him not being that guy? Pete, we're one in fifteen last year, we're two and twelve right now. That means we're three And that's not what I'm asking You know, you're missing my point. I'm worried about everything. Are you worried he's not the guy? No, I still think he's the guy. I do too, But I'm worried about everything. But I think he's the guy. I'm betting on him.

But again, everything else you can worry about. If he ain't the guy, that's another five six years in garbage. Pete, let's not talking about that right now. By the way, that fifty eight yard passed the longest of the season for him, was against Tennessee Um and it was a past deep left to Leaviscu should already ran out of bounds. Fifty eight yards in that game october T was that the underneath crosser that he random a deep left is what it says, deep left? I don't remember remember that

either de Leviscus should all would be an aberration. So maybe it was that ran all the way across the field. That's not deep deep. I'm just doing what the official book says. Yeah, I just don't mean, come on, Pete, don't get on JP. It's fault. He's just reading. I know he's reading. I'm not getting on JPM saying whoever put that stat down in there? They're described the play

was wrong, wasn't deep left? Peter? Are you concerned about Trevor? No? No, I mean he could put anybody in this system right now and with that pool of receivers in that offensive line, and he's not going to succeed. No, I'm not. I have to start with. What I'm concerned with, though, is the fact that through the processes mechanics have waned and his accuracy is worse, and he's not getting through his progressions as fast even as he did early in the season. Yeah,

he's going backwards, that's what you're saying. He's going the wrong direct and he took and I think he's taken easy throws rather than letting one fit in there and take it. Like for example, and you see, if you remember this play, he took one in the middle of the field I think Dey shaughnessy on third down. It was third and whatever, and he got to three yards short of the first down in the middle of the field. He had and I can't remember who it was on the deep cross and he all he had to do

was fit it in there. And it's a twenty yards shot down the middle of the field. He didn't take it. He took the easier throw. And I'm seeing more and more of that which is concerned. Well, everything that you're saying, yeah, I think I do, But there are things that stood out stood after me the last few weeks. Is his uh, jumping this in the pocket a little bit. Like the protection has not been great, let's be clear, but it's

been when it's good. Sometimes he's still moving around, going into trouble instead of just being calm and sitting there and taking a you know, hitch up, step up and letting the fly. And so there's just a bunch of stuff that makes you concerned. But I'm still a believer. I'm still doubling down. I'll double down right now on him.

I'm gonna give you an example on something. On something you watched New England play the other night against the Colts, Dick Colts didn't sniff mac Jones every single time he went back to throw. He had to clean one of the cleanest because the Colts aren't a great pass word his team anyways, But his pockets were amaze, he sing in that game. I mean, a few teams have pockets like that, but Trevor Lawrence has a pocket like that.

He's gonna hit somebody. He's gonna if you give give him the Hunter Henry and John hu Smith and the creativity of Josh McDaniels and that offensive line. With that pocket, Trevor Lawrence will look outstanding. Pete, you know the storyline the next two weeks is gonna be the quarterback matchups Zack Wilson Mac Jones versus Trevor Lawrence fair or not this well and and Zack Wilson is another one that hasn't looked good in large part because of who's around him.

I mean, think about think about the situations. Two situations matter for young quarterback if you took Mac Jones, who's a Jacksonville kid, put him with the Jaguars, and put Trevor Lawrence with the Patriots, Trevor Larns will be every bit is good, if not better than Mac Jones, and Mac Jones will be struggling like Trevor Lawrence. That's the reality of it. Let's take a time out, we'll come

back a little defensive talk. We'll come back around with the quarterback Tony all right, we might need to keep the camera on for a live looking during the time to plating ahead of course, we'll take a look at the draft order that has changed in our weekly draft segments since the Jaguars has been eliminated. Of course, the second hour, your social questions and much more Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. The main thing we try to focus only just hasn't I think that's one

of the most important. Uh who as you need as a DV to you know, have good eye mixture, your eyes on the season just in case he does a double move where act lexis tucking and take off. So that's the main thing he preached was, uh, have a good eyes and don't let the ball uh, get over our heads. It's Tyson Campbell, rookie cornerback and welcome back at Saguar's Happy Hour on a Monday afternoon, J P. Shadrick with Pete Priscoe and Tony Boselli recapping a Jags

loss to the Houston Texans thirty to sixteen. The final score the Texans are three and eleven, two of those wins against the Jags. Jags are two and twelve. And we'll get to the draft order coming up. You probably know what it is by now. In the two teams we've beaten have winning records. That's right, an FC East opponents Dolphins and Bills. Because the Dolphins won again, correct they did? They rallied. They don't have a winning record though,

what are they seven and seven? Yeah? They're right there? Okay, so every I mean my point is the two days sweet beat or five and have a winning record. You think you think what about the Bills? What about the Dolphins? What do you think the Dolphins and the Bills are thinking right now? After look watching us lose to the Texans with eleven guys on the COVID list, seven starters out, I mean, what are they thinking that? Like what how did we? What? What? What? What happened? Hello? How did

this happen? Particularly the Bills six? I mean the jag scored to combined thirty two points in those games. Three was the high watermark against Miami. You understand, twenty three the high watermark for the yeason? Yes, I understand. And you had to kick to fifty yarders from from Oxford, England to win the game. So are we the low do we have the we have to have the we have to be the lowest scoring offense in the NFL. Now after that last week because the the Texans outscored

put dirty on the board. I know the Texans were, we were point two points more. It was thirteen eight six eight to fourteen. We went up though, Yeah we did because we scored sixteen. Yeah, so we're that's how we were. We over achieved. It's it's it's really um who what's that? Feet? I mean they lost the Buffalo. Buffalo has doubled the scoring after Jack Buffalo lost to them. Defense had an epic day. That's why, Well let's talk about the defense, because overall this defense has done a

good job this year. I mean even yesterday, I mean the Texas stink one was a kick return the last at the end of bubble screen. I mean it's like it's so I mean, you don't want that to happen, But the reality is they held him under three ye yards. They gotta turn over. I mean, like like the defense,

I give Joe Coleen credit. It will be interesting to see what happens with whoever the new coach in because I think they're gonna clean house on the offensive side, Like I think that's like that's my I don't I mean, I don't know anything, but my guess is when you have the worst offense in the history of the franchise and one of the worst in the history of the NFL, you're probably gonna clean house. It'll be interesting to see what they might clean house on the defensive side too.

I'm not saying he won't be he might, but I would argue Joe Cohen has done a good job with this, So if you have a good defensive corner, why would you rid of him? And by the way, the guy that he was speaking speaking at the podium before when we played the sound, he's gotten ten times better. He's gotten better, He's improved. The season is going most Improved Player of the Year and he's gonna be good. Yeah, you can tell he's going to be good. So that's

a big hit for them. That well, we'll give him credit for that. That's I mean, that's the big hit so far. He right now, he's the best rookie. That's a bad thing though. That is a bad things, but one of two that have played first. That's another bad Walker little play Walker little plate on Sunday he did yesterday. That's right. It was better what happened to Cam Robinson by the way the neck strained neck day to day. But aren't we all so what do you think of

Walker little? Before we get to the defense, I don't want to he was better. He still doesn't take great angles on his sets, still doesn't use his hands like he like lets him get into the body too much. He got off balance on the one play where the guy went around him. It looked like they am I wrong about that where you like he let him get into him and then he kind of fell and he went around because he took a terrible set. He like opened up the gate, didn't get it. I mean, it

was just terrible, the whole thing. But he was better. You can see he's improving. He's working at it like he's a big strong dude. Um, I might, I'm if Cam, I mean, if Cam's healthy, I might start walking a little right tackle. You said that going into the game today, find out what he can do. How about this putting the guard he's a big old sucker. Well, yeah, because the left guarden very good. Well, I don't think he's got me back. And he's he talked about a guy

who looks like he went off the career cliff. He's not playing as well. Speaking of young uns, how did Cisco play yesterday? Of the snaps on defense? Getting eyes, open field, tack and nothing stood out to me? Like there was nothing remarkable, nothing bad though either, like I'm looking forward to. Just if you're playing on the back end,

that's good. If it's nothing bad, that's I agree. But I want to go back and watch him, like specifically, because I didn't watch specifically him everybody, Um, I'm looking forward to. While I mean, the thing that stood out to me watching our defense is where's Josh Allen? Like what happened? Like, where do you go? Josh Allen? Not start the game? He did not? Why? I don't know I wasn't told it was Smoot and Chase on were the starters. That's what I saw when I'm watching the tape.

I started watching the tape and I saw that, and I'm like, he wasn't in on the first two plays of the game. I don't remember how many plays. I know it was the first one for sure, that's all I know. But where's he gone? And I said, I said this this morning, Pe, Why did he I don't know? Why did he start? I don't know, Pete, I wasn't you know you're in the press. Why don't you guys ask the coaches those questions because I'm not there. I don't cover that team on a daily j P. Why

did you ask the question? Why did he start? I don't know. Today was a virtual press. You could have you could ask a question that's embarrassing, JP. You could have also, I'm not I have a different role. I'm not an interviewer. I'm not a press conference guy. I'm a commentator. I will say I will say this, Josh buddy, maybe one of my buddies in the Jacksonal media'll text me right now and they know the answer to that.

Why why didn't he start? So, but here's the thing I said, this is morning, Peter want your action, because the question this morning on Dan Jeff Show is like, where is Josh Allen? Like where did he go? Like he's not been productively And my comment was, I think where I've landed with Josh Allen. Josh Allen's a nice player. He's a good player, like you like he's a positive impact on your team. But he's not a difference maker. He's not a guy who's gonna take over the game

and reek just wreck Havoca. No. No, he's not gonna take over the game and dominate. No, Miles Garrett, No, he's not that. He's just a nice player. I will say this about Josh Allen. He has been on the injury report for a number of weeks with a shoulder. Just say everyone's hurt, JP. I'm just saying everyone. He was credited with four hurries though I think if I'm not mistaken, which I don't remember, I gotta I haven't watched it defensive tape except for the first couple of plays.

But I watched I did not see. I watched the tape today. I didn't see anything like nothing Like I'm not saying he played bad. I'm talking difference maker. I'm talking a guy like when you turn on the tape and you play offensive line this league, you're like, oh, you know what, I gotta block that dude. Like you're watching tape into the wee hours of the night to try to figure out to block that guy. Like I remember nine people when we played Buffalo and Bruce Smith

was defensive Player of the Year. I watched every game like grinding, trying to figure out I'm gonna block this guy because he was dominant. That's not Josh Allen. That's Myles Garrett, that's Nick Bosa, that's t J Watt, like those guys Joey Bosa, Chandler Joe, like these guys like you like watch tape, but you're grinding, like, okay, what I need to figure out? Like what does he do? That's not Josh Allen right now, I'm just sorry, what does he have five and half sacks? That that's I mean,

he's a good I want him on my team. I'm not trying to kick him. Well, don't worry. They got the number one overall pick. They can get another defensive end. But be am I wrong with that? I mean, he's not a difference. No, he's not. There's here's why. There are certain guys that play hard and play tough and they'll get you eight or nine sacks a year. Then there are guys that are special that play hard and play tough and have the physical explosive ability in the

hands and everything else to get themselves fifteen sacks. Josh Allen is more of the first group. He might get the nine ten eleven sacks from playing hard, playing tough play. He's not gonna explosively blow by people on a continual basis. And that's the difference. Like, if he's the second end

opposite Myles Garrett, he'd be really a good player. If he was the second end opposite Nick Bosa, he'd be a really dynamic But is he Is he like Crosby at the Raiders, He's I mean Crosby's like, that's a dude that plays hard and disrupts football games, right see that. Let me ask you this, was he better than way? I think they're like, they're good hard players and that you want your team. I don't think they're gonna take over games. And I'd argue that Yannique takes over games

more because he creates fumbles. Yannique is a better pass rusher and worst run player. Josh Allen is a better run player and the worst pass rush right, But like you look at like Max Crosby, Like there's a name I'm like everyone says when you're talking about Miles Garrett, like the top end guys. Okay, Max Crosby or what's the crist what's his first names of? Max? Yeah? Max? Yeah? Max Crosby defensive end for the Raiders. The dude just takes over games, like he disrupts. He beats people up.

He's hitting the cornerback like you know where he is when you sign up, Like when you get on the film and you watch you like, um, okay, see whatever number he is, number he is, Like we gotta block him, like watch him, he's good. I gotta lock him, Like I don't see that in Josh. And that's why I thought he was gonna be this year. All Right, we're gonna we're up against it. Peter's let's take a quick time out. We'll come back, we'll continue this conversation. Of course,

we'll get back to the offense. We'll get back to the aftermath of the Urban Meyer. Let's go back, back and forth, back and forth. That's what we do all over the place. We're back in a moment. Veterans choose v A for the benefits you earned, visit choose dot v A dot gov. And it's Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans on the Jaguars Digital Network. What are we doing? Pumpkin spice. Pumpkin spice, that's what I smell. It's very good. This is the I had so far

for Elliot. Huh, how's that diet been going well? I didn't in all honestly, p JP, this is the first thing I've eaten all day today. No breakfast, no lunch, nothing. You're withering away. I can't imagine that being true. I'll give you my word. Nothing. You're you're you're lying like you from that building, Pete, Why would I like? Listen, I had crackers and freedoms. It's not like I'm saying I'm eating celery and broccoli. I'm eating Freedo's crackers. If

anybody would be hungry, the definition would be him. But whatever reason I got wasn't that angry? Was he because I got busy? I got busy, pet Next thing, We've seen him angry, but this was not that Ryan. Eaton. I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna try not to eat and see if I can just lose weight. If you're bitten fasting, if you don't eat till later in the day. By the way, there, that's what I did. They're like intermediate fast, just eat when you're hungry, your intermediate fast,

intermediate intermediate intermediate fasting. Tony. Tony is gonna have the intermediate fasting diet where he eats every fifteen minute. Oh hey, you know we promised when the Jaguars are eliminated from playoff contention that we would have a draft segment, and here it is. Tonight. The Jaguars are now number one and the two draft order. The Detroit Lions knocked off the Arizona Cardinals to get their second win of the season.

They are too eleven and one. The Jaguars are now two and twelve and they have the inside track to the number one pick in the NFL Draft. PA, you know that I was watching it all play out in front of me yesterday in our green room, and I turned to one of my guys and I go, this is where I'm different. Than like a guy like Tony Masselli tomorrow when I do the show, because I'm sitting here thinking, it's actually not a bad thing that they lost on day and the Lions one, because now you

have the number one overall pick again just shaking his head. Well, I'll actually see this, Pete. If you're gonna be bad and this bad, just stay like, be the worst, because I'd rather have the first overall picked in the second, third or fourth. That way, I can't pick anyone I want. So it's a good thing that they lost on Sunday. Well, it depends. It depends where you're sitting. If you're a player, no, it's not good. If your coach is not good. I'm

at the point now. It also depends on who they're picking. Who's doing the picking. I don't know who it is, do you? No? I don't either, But and we gotta get it. We're gonna get into some of that futures talking a second. But as far as the draft, who give if I'm gonna try and move it and get more picks. Let's say you can't move. You can't move it who you're picking. You're stuck with the number one pick? Ah, who you pick it. That's for me. It's tough. And

here's why I think I'm taking Hutchinson. But I worry about Hutchinson versus the kid in Oregon because the kid in Oregon has so much more athletic ability and and bigger I think, or not as big, And he says about the same size I think, But Hutchinson he's not as tall. But Hutchinson has all the moves and all the technique and everything else where. He dominates college lineman.

But Tony, you would know this better than me. If you have an athletic freak versus a guy with all the tricks that knows how to use them, who would you rather block? Well, an athletic freak who doesn't know how to rush. It's the easy guy to block, in my opinion, Like he just goes up the field. But what about an athletic freak who knows how to rush but he doesn't that's a problem. That's a really good plan. But I've heard Hutchinson's is a really good athlete, like

he runs four six, great vertical. I heard the kids a great athlete. Here's my concern with Hutchinson a little bit. And I've watched some of this tape. I love him, don't get me wrong. Where was he I think he got hurt in COVID. He got hurt when he had COVID last year, he had two years ago. But what he did play, he wasn't as dominant and that always

worries me a little bit. We have reached the conclusion of our number one plenty more ahead hour two of Jaguars Happy Hour coming up, presented by Jet Home Loans on the Jaguars Digital Network. That's really not my focus right now. Right now, I know it's that, you know, coachs our head coach and everything else is still intact, and that's what we're That's what we'll focus on moving forward and just trying to get better. You know, I thought we um removed the ball out better on offense

today it's the seven Night direction. But we just gotta make plays down the street, you know, and when we need him. Third fourth quarter, UM, I gotta I gotta make the throws. Guys that made the catches, it's all of us, you know. We gotta make more plays. I missed a big throw on third down, UM, eight minutes left in the fourth quarter, so um, but I mean it was. It was nice to see us moving the ball again like we like we were earlier in the year, so when that was a step in the night direction,

but we just gotta we gotta finish. That's Trevor Lawrence of course after the game yesterday, and welcome back. It's the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour on a Monday afternoon, j P. Shadrick, Tony Vaselli, Pete Prisco recapping Jaguars lost to the Houston Texans, the first game since the departure of head coach Urban Meyer. He was fired late Wednesday night Thursday morning, a little after twelve thirty am, and the aftermath of that and the remaining days of the

week led into this game. That's now the sixth consecutive loss for the Jaguars, and they've now lost eight in a row against the Houston Texans and they were swept this year again by the Texans team. This Texans team, of all teams, it's a totally different team from Week one as well, and they still put thirty on the board against the Jags yesterday. Defensive starters were down with

COVID yesterday for Houston. Special teams struggles for the Jaguars, to say the least, the offense was better relative to really bad, and the defense had some moments battle around right now for the Jags though three games to go. Though, the Jaguars have the inside track to the number one overall pick in the two NFL draft up next a quarterback battle the top two from the draft going head to head next week and Met Life Stadium Trevor Lawrence and the two and twelve Jags Zack Wilson in the

three and eleven New York Jets Christmas in Jersey? Are you done talking it? Yes? That was a long and I mean I got really was doing the show? Holy cow, JP, breath, It's not the JP show we talk were we talking about? Like? You know, you can talk anything else you want to read, I'll just you know, sit back and kick back and relax. I literally like I was reading Twitter, Pete, and I forgot that I was on the show because I'm like, JP is just reading for ten minutes. You're hearing what

were you hearing? I heard my bad, bad, bad bad Charlie. We're kidding, JP. I don't know, I'm not I'm not kidding. I literally checked out. Actually I thought I was like another world and you know what what show is this? Yeah? Just kick back, you guys, go for it. I don't worry. JP will do it all right, shut off his mike. It's cool, man. The missues here. I'm on the desk. Does Shot con need an advisor to help him in the coaching search? The shot Khan need an advisor? Um?

I think we all need advisors JP, I mean not jppte and JP. UM from the standpoint, I think we need individuals that we trust, that we can bounce things off of and help us through the process. And so if that and um, yeah, so I guess the short answers yes. And I think if I was in shot shoes, I'd evaluate how I got to this point and do it just do it different. And I'm half joking there, how many different ways has he done it already? Though? I think about that? Well, not half joke, you're not

half joking. Well, well, here's the thing. Has he done it different? He's hired different people, different types, but he's been at the centerpiece of making the final call. And and now, in fairness, the shot I don't know his process. I don't know if anyone really knows the process of and maybe he is listening to people. So this is me takes taking some liberties um based on what I know, which is not a complete picture, to be clear. So

he might be. But my perception is, my perception is Pete is that he gets people, he interviews them, and then he makes the choice. Right, I mean that's I mean, that's all we know, at least, I mean JB didn't do anything else. That's all I know. Well, let's take their Urban Meyer hiring. Okay, there was a little bit of an infatuation there. They clearly at one point last year decided he was going to be the guy, probably earlier than a probably earlier than any of us realized.

It was during the season, they knew and what led him to that. Now I've heard that Trent actually was all in favor of it, and I don't know if that's true or not. But I and I don't where their their connection comes from. So he leaned on Trent for that advice. And then once you hear an interview, and Urban's track record obviously stood on its own. It's not like you need to get convinced of it. Once you sit down with him, if you like it, you probably hire him. Yeah, but that's where I disagree. Pe

I hear, let me stop you there. And this is where I and I don't know if and he could have done this. I don't know if he did or not. But I know this. I had a bunch of people calling me unsolicited, by the by the way, once it got out that we were thinking about hiring Irban Meyer, saying that's not a good decision, like don't hire him.

I mean, so I was getting that now unsolicited. I had nothing to do the process, and so I would think, and I don't know this, but if I'm shot, I am picking up the phone and calling people and diving in deep doing the deep dive We've heard that for a while, is really asking the questions. No different then, like as you, I'm like, when you he made the decision to go Trent Balky, is your GM? I mean, if it's me, my recommend is like I pick up the phone, I start dialing for dollars to figure out.

I want to know everything about this. And so I guess my point of saying this moving forward. If I was him, I think like he maybe already has an advisor. I don't know how, I don't I don't know enough about the process to speak to that one way or another, Pete.

But I'll say this, I would pick up that phone and I'd call and I do a lot of have a lot of phone call conversations with people who have nothing to gain by like whether no matter what they say about the person, Like I want to know the truth.

Like like if I'm like perfect example, Pete, Like if I'm gonna go call and like have questions about JP, I'm gonna call people that know JP, that've worked with JP, been around JP, and don't get anything out of JP getting the job or not getting the job, Like I just want to know, Like tell me, I'll tell you about all about JP, all about JP. But you know what you mean, Tony. But but I'm gonna give you.

I'm gonna give you the other side of that. Jimmy Johnson came out yesterday I don't know if you saw it and defended Urban Meyer. He's friends with him. Jimmy Johnson is a respected football guy. If Shot Khan called Jimmy Johnson, excuse me and said, Hey, I'm thinking about hier Irban Meyer, what do you think I want to talk to you? Go talk to him? He talks to him, he says, Oh, this guy's a great coach. He does this,

this and this. Well there's a reference if he called Belichick, and I know they have utmost respect for Belichick Belichick at urban Meyer friendly, excuse me friendly, he'd give a good recommendation. So there's two recommendations. Great, I'm gonna how ABU gonna call the University of Florida and asked people who worked with him every day because guess what, Urban Meyer has never worked with Bill Belichick and has never worked with Jimmy Johnson, So that's fine. Guess what, they

don't know Urban Johnson at all. Urban Meyer. They Jimmy Johnson like knew him from afar and like probably went to some dinners like awards ceremonies and hung out drink like they don't know him. Like, go call the people who worked with them, Go call the secretary, Like I'll never forget John Robinson, my coach at USC the last couple of years. He said, like he said something that's stuck into me forever. And he had like and I've said this story for he had like three rules, play hard,

be on time. And the third rule was the thing that impacted me the most. He says, you better treat everybody in the building with respect, and you better treat the secretary in the same way you treat me, and you better seat the janitor the same way you treat me, because if you don't, that tells me who you are, and I don't want you on my team. I tell that stories. Go call the people that urban Meyer worked with every day, and what do they say about him.

Not with Jimmy Johnson, and I like Jimmy Johnson and Bill Belichick, great coach. They never have worked with him. They don't know. And I'll and I'll go one step further with the same kind of line of thinking about respect. The people in the building treat him with respect. Every personnel guy and scout I've ever talked to says when they go to a school, they don't want to get the information from what the coach will say because he's gonna pump the guy up. He wants him to get

to the NFL. It helps him. They go talk to the strength coach, they go talk to the secretaries, counsel, talked to the support staff, they talked to uh, the cafeteria workers. That's where you find out all about the guy, and so Tony, you are spot on. They should have went to Florida, they should have went to Ohio State,

they should have won a bunch of different places. Talk to agents people and how is he when you deal with them, and they would have found out what everybody in Jacksonville found out when he was inside the building. He makes people miserable. I mean, I'm just saying. I mean, I mean, I had a handful of conversations that when this was all happening last year. I mean, I'm not part of the process, and people would call me. I'm like, dude,

why are you calling me? I got nothing to do with this, But I mean, they give me your opinions. It wasn't always very flattering, which is fine. I mean, and there's nothing wrong with asking Jimmy Johnson or Bill Belichick. But that's just one perspective. And that's perspective. And here's the other thing. You understand a lot of time about coaches.

Coaches don't like bad mouthing other coaches. It's like doctors ever go ask the doctor about another doctor like they doctors will never say anything bad about another doctor because they don't want to come blown back on them, and so asking Jimmy Johnson or Bill Belichick about urban Meyer, they're not I mean they don't know him. I mean like like the day to day and they're probably not gonna just rip the guy because like they have this

little community, this will fraternity. So I agree with Pete when I said, go ask, go ask the guys that go, ask people who have to work with these individuals every day, and whoever you hire next do the same deep deep die. You know we're joking about deep dive, but that's exactly what it is. But who does he get to do it?

That's the quite. He needs somebody to guide him first and form If Trent Balky is not going to be part of the team, and we don't know that, but if he's not, then you need somebody to step in that's going to lead the process. And so how do you do you hire a guy who can hire and advise you on hiring your coach and GM together, or do you do you hire the GM and then he hires the coach. There's a lot of things that play in there that you have to decide how you're gonna

do it. But he needs somebody to advise him and it's not Trent. It can't be Trent. If Trent advised him on urban Meyer, which you hear he did, then then I think you can't be Trent. So it has to be somebody on the outside. So do you hire a former personnel guy, a coach head coach Tony Dungee's name has been mentioned somebody along those lines. I just think he needs somebody to lean on with football background to help him get through the process. When we return,

We're gonna keep it real. We haven't even started to keep it real yet. Jaguars Game Day Radio is brought to you by a Vice Star Credit Union, Do Good Bank Better Second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. I mean, I thought there was I thought there were things that we did better today. You know, Um, there was. There was a little bit of explosions you were able to find, you know, find guys. We were in a creatin space for some people. But again we

just said we did there's opportunities to make plays. We didn't make some of them. And we've got to catch the ball. We gotta throw the ball, um, you gotta you know, we gotta protect better and we'll be we'll be able to find it, find the in zone. But it's just it's on up continued improved. It's Daryl Bevil after the game yesterday at Jaguars lost to the Houston Texans and welcome back to Jaguars Happy Hour. J P Shadrick Pete Prisco, Tony Boselli is rubbing his face, was

all right, we're gonna make it. It's been one of those afternoons already. Well, it's just we're just awful on offense and we were not getting better. And they like and what Daryl Bebel SAIDs right, and we gotta catch the ball. You gotta throw it more accurately, gonna block. There's just no juice. There's no juice on that side of the ball. What do you think of the decision to change make Brian Schottenheimer played, What can it hurt? Go for it? Try it? I mean does it matter?

I mean, I mean if it makes it easier for Daryl Bebel to manage the sound, manage the whole game. Sure, If I'm Darryl Bebel, I'm not doing it. Though. When they come out and score thirty a game, you'll never be an offensive coordinator again. And they are playing. They are playing a bad defense this week. By the way, what if they just like like a pinball machine in the Wait a minute, what this beel guy been doing where?

Not even in the hole time? Maybe maybe he can cut down on the little bubble screens to channel from five to two or something per game. Yeah, I don't know, wow, but I mean it doesn't matter. I mean they're not How much can you change in one week? And you are who you are at this? All? Right? This the opening drive on I thought the opening drive look great. Go ahead, you gotta do your your keeping it real well.

This this leads us into the keeping It Real conversation and Keeping It Real is presented by Woodbridge, right Robert Mundavi Open up a winner today, Really ingredients Award winning wine by Robert Mundavi. It's kind of the I still haven't gotten anything out of it all, yeah, piece, it's yeah, you know, no liquor has been sending my way. That's wine, which means you're the ones you're going to give out a Christmas too late. I'm in trouble. You guys all

know why you're not getting your Christmas. President Bob didn't send me Santa Claus ain't coming to town. So this is kind of our topic here. I know we interrupted you there, but who are your offensive pillars right now? Who do you build around on the offensive side of the football? Moving ahead, no matter who's picking, whatever is going on, who are the guys that are Trevor Lawrence, you believe in Trevor Lawrence, James Robinson, Cam Robinson even

still yeah, franchise him. Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, it's hard to find go look around left tackles, and this week we've we've gone through this. It's not I'm building around. That's it. Pete quarterback left tackle for the right price. Running back is part of the running game, but I need some I need speed back there. I'm saying he's a guy, he's on your roster and got Etn coming off. None of the other guys Ben bart

is on your roster. Tone that I'm just building around, I'm okay, Yeah, But like I might, I'm not saying I'm not gonna upgrade right guard if I can. Like the way I look at the question you ask, like, where am I like going in next year? I feel like I've got three starters correct, But like I think Ben, I'll say differently. Do I think Ben Bart's started, Yes,

Ben Barts can start. Like my guess is, unless you go find someone else like Jwan Taylor is gonna be your starting right tackle next year unless someone can be about I mean, finding offensive lignment is not easy, and you have a bunch of stuff, you know, here's something Okay, I'm gonna give you an example. Though. You watch the

game Sunday night. The Saints played without their starting tackles and a backup guard, and they just totally did everything they could have gett A good defense protected him and he had time at times and it wasn't a disaster. Why is that Tony good coaching? Good scheme. You run the ball, take the pass, rush out, you play action pass, you move the pocket, you change the launch point. So it's guys can't tee off. I mean, I can give you a lot of things you can do. Differently, they

haven't gotten any better the offensive line. Joan Taylor has got in the wrong direction. Andrew Norwell, I think he's hit the goodbye career over ledge and he's done. I think Brandon Linder is uh is basically washed up. Um, I mean not washed up, but he can't sit down the field. That's my concern with him, right and and the right guard has moments where he looks like he could be a good solid guard. He does. Okay, But

let me ask you this question. Is there any receiver you're that you are not against like that, you're not trying to upgrade for the next any any tight ends you're not the game? No, Okay, in the on Sunday and I said four or five, let me finish. Okay, So there's not every you're gonna try it upgrade every receiver. You're gonna try to upgrade every tight end. Tell me the offensive line positions that you're not gonna try it upgrade left tackle. You're gonna keep your left hand, keeping Cam. Yeah,

for the right price. Because what I'm saying, but you're like, you're not actively going to Joe try and find another left tackle. No, No, you would. You would try and keep him for if the money got out of whack, you go try and find a left tackle. Fair enough, I'm assuming. I mean, if you had the franchise and again it's fifteen million bucks or seventeen million bucks next franchise, that's he's gonna be my left tackle. This Yes, that's

my point. You can't because here's the thing. You can't fix everything, Like you literally have to put some plugs in saying we're going with this guy. We're like going there. But this is what the bill. Would you consider the offensive lineman with the first overall pick? Yeah, I would. They kid from Alabama is the real deal. Evan Neil, Evan Neil. Let me tell you what I'm doing, Pete. I'm taking the best players because I don't have enough good ones. I don't what if a receiver was the

best player, you wouldn't take it first? Well maybe why not? I mean I don't. I don't like that idea. You wouldn't take it back for her, you would take it back first. Well, there's never gonna be a back that's the best player. Well, he could be the best player, he's just not gonna have the most value. That's my point. Well, best player value, Like like, I'm taking the guy that brings the most value to my team. That's has to

be a good player. For example, if Jonathan Taylor was in the draft, I'm not taking in the draft because he's a more value. Doesn't mean Pete, but this is where you go. Let me tell you how it goes. You know this, Come on, you draft quarterback, you draft, affect the quarter back, you draft, protect the quarterback, and then you and then you know you have and then you know you draft to quarterbacks passes down the corner.

But no, I mean, I'm telling my order because you know what, if you affect the quarterback, you can play with inferior dbs. Go tell me the four who are the four starting dvs for the Giants when they killed Brady and ended their undefeated season. You can't tell me. You know, you could tell me. You can tell me the front four that we're getting after him. But but Tony, I'm saying, yes, okay, you listen. Tell you fix it. Let me tell you fix it. Quarterback, affect the quarterback,

protect the quarterback speed on offense. That's it. Go do that, you'll be okay. No, it's it's a five pronged approach. Now it used to be four prong gets the quarterback, knocked down the quarterback, protect the quarterback, knocked down, the quarterbacks passes, and now it's catch them with speed. It's the game has changed. It never used to be a receiver. Okay, fine, I take My point is I'm putting beat in front of your knocking down the quarterback's ball because I'm gonna

have a pass rush. It's gonna be knocking the guy's head off. He's not gonna going to throw it. But how good would your defense if you had Jalen behind the pass rush like that? Why, I've talked to defensive coordinators that I respect, and they say, you know, what makes a great back half is a great front four. Oh, I'm with you. I'm let me tell you what. There's a theory out there now that the secondary is more important.

I don't buy it, hey, because because here's the thing, Pete go remember the forty nine when solo two years ago they went to the Super Bowl and Richard Shermon was old and couldn't run, but was all Pro or Pro Bowl? Right? Are U s anyone on that step? They were great on the back half because they had four dudes who could get after the quarterback and you never had time back there. I'm with you that the most important positions are quarterback and knocking him down and

then protecting the quarterback. And then I'm my only thing is I'm not saying the secondary is not important, but I need guys who can run outside on offense safety speeded. I need speed on offense speed and not just straight line speed. I need suddenness. I need like make you miss, like, oh my gosh, you're in the open field. I'm scared to death. You're going to the house. Well, I mean, there's only a very few of that. I'll take. I'll take Deebo, Samuel Speed, I'll take um, I'll take what's

I'll take Seedee Lamb Speed, I'll take. I mean, there's there's a plenty of mouth justin Jefferson. You gotta go with those guys in the first round. Though, Okay, maybe I trade like I'm like I'm with Pete if I could trade back if I had the first overall pick, unless like one of those guys just jumps off at the page and I just have to have him, like he's a difference maker. Trade back to five or six if you can, and go get a receiver. You need speed now, But I haven't done anywhere. I mean, it's

not like we've done work. Maybe Hutchinson's like the like the next Nick Bosa. Well, then guess what, I'm taking them number one. And by the way, the free agent market if receivers got a hit last night with Chris Godward, Terry's a c L. I thought it was his m c L they had, so he's out for the yearn who I read? Because this afternoon the first report was m c L. Right, and then they went they did another test and it was the A c L. Yeah, that's not good. So that was Keeping it Real presented

by Woodbridge by Robert Mundavi. Open up a winner today, Real Ingredients Award winning one by Robert Mundavi. And I think, um, we kept it real with a really long list of things on offense. Yeah, there's a lot of holes. Let's come back in social media questions. They'll cheer us all up. It always does. Sony he loves him, love it, Pete loves him. We all love them. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy

Hour and it's time for social media questions. We put the bat signal out each Monday on Twitter. Here's the best we've come up with. Today's a lot by the way at Duvall Underscore twenty four. I know James Robinson is a fan favorite. I't like him too, but why does he look so slow? A few runs he has on the outside looked like it took him fifteen minutes to try to turn the corner, which he didn't. Pete, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna say that's something I was getting

into when we talked about core players. James Robinson is a good running back. He's a he's a grinder. But they don't they need and they have et M so obviously he's on the roster when he comes back from injury. But they need an explosive player at the running back position. And there were times on Sunday where there were holes and it looked like he should add more than what he had. They beat up and they dropped et In by the way, got hurt. But James beat up to

He's got a heel and knee. It's not I mean, the kid was averaging over five yards and carry. He's a good runner. To what you just said is nonsense. You're going in. I mean, listen, you're falling for the same trapper. Obviously, No, I'm not. I think he's a good back, but you need a change of pace, explosive back, and they don't have that right now, Well, that's fair but that is I mean, James Robson's a starting NFL back. If you average five yards and carry, you're starting back.

But now, if you would have told me you made the comment, if you'd have made the comment like he's mark Ingram and you need Alvin Kamara with him, that's fair. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. That's fair. That's what they thought they had. I think, Um, yeah, I'm not. I didn't see that in camp. By the way, there was nothing in camp that say that was the plan we were told. I get that, and I hope it's the plan. That's right. I just didn't see it

in camp, did you no? No? Question number two social media. We're often running on this one at Carnival. Thomas question for both Pete why would Tony make a terrible head coach? And Tony why would Pete make a terrible head coach? JP? Who would be worse? Well, Pete couldn't be a head Answer first, Pete could not be to make a terrible head coach because his emotions are all over the place. He can't handle losing. He'd be a bad loser. He

could never be able to have a hard time. Moving on to the next games to get emotional on the sidelines, training thought on the sidelines, Helly, he wouldn't be on time, His meetings would start late. He wouldn't be a good head coach. That sounds familiar. That's not accurate at all. Outside I would have a hard time getting over losing. That's true, but I can move on um. Pete couldn't be a head coach because he'd be too worried about like, we need to be more creative. I need more bunches.

I need more like picks, rob rub picks rub, need more more of that. And he doesn't know anything else, and he forget that you actually have to run the ball and walk people that you just can't rob little circles on the sideline, say rob here, pick here, bunch, bunch, bunch, because he doesn't know anything. Yes, I do. I know that you can do that because they've done done it before a couple of times. I've had success with it, So do it. I gotta say I'm siding with Pete

on this one. That Tony would lose his mind on the sideline and lose. So you're saying, wait, yeah, I think so. I think so. You're an idiot it's it's it's I'll be honest from a football point, I picked the CLI too because he's been there and done it, and he knows what it takes to win, and he understands how a team is built and he understand. But the other side will give him about fifty five demerits for every positive that he Yeah, you know what I mean.

I mean. My problem would be, here's my problem. If I'm in a game and my kicker has a kick to tie the game late and it's from thirty five yards and he misses it, I'm old school. I might want to grab his helmet and give him a choke. You know you've just thrown around and I can't do that. Make your damn kick. I'd want to make. Even Pete agrees with me that I'd be better. You're an idiot. You chose the guy that didn't even choose himself. I would say, for the soundbites only, I would pick Pete

first of all, Pete? How great? Pete? How great would it be if I was head coaching you were in the press during a press conference? How much would you enjoy that? Oh? I make you cry? You'd want to come after me standing for TV. Al right, next question social media. We are rolling now at nine oh four and more at this point, is there anything to fix the undisciplined penalties off season? An off season? I mean, I mean they keep on making mistakes where they extend

drives and give up points. I mean they were three and out on the opening drive out of the gate and it wasn't like it was a little hands in the face. He ripped his help off. What are we doing? How many? How many? How many? Where do they ranking? Penalties were compared to the rest of the league. That's an interesting question. And where do they rank and penalties compared to the all time penalized teams? Tony, I told you this your team's back in the day. Better Pete

the better stat if you could find it. How many penalties does this team have that extended drives that are basically like turnovers like that one the hands of the face, that's a turnover. You're giving the ball back to them. Mhm awful. They've done that in some form or fashion A lot, a lot awful. All right. Next, it's not just the penalty, it's when you do it like so, it's one of the things you can't have dumb team can't be a dumb like dumb football. They just beat

you every time. Dumb football kills you at Devil X Jaguars. An next question, why do we make the easy things look difficult and the hard things look impossible? For years we've had the same problems, no matter the staff. What's the solution? Are Trevor's problems fixable? He just doesn't playing well? Also getting no help, Love you guys, Merry Christmas. That's a lot. That's a lot to digest, a lot of mood swings there. So I guess the main question is

why I think so hard? Because when you're a bad football team, everything's hard. And we're a bad football team right now. And you know, at the end of the day, how do I say, you almost kid what you deserve? You pick. If you pick the wrong people and you have the wrong people leading, you're not gonna have success. And I mean, I think it's pretty clear that urban Meyer was not the right guy. Yeah, but you know what though, Tony, he had that quarterback competition in the summer.

Help builds. Yeah, I mean, I mean, looking back on that, that might well, people, here's the thing, just a little hand at how much garbage was in that building and that give me a break quarterback. Yeah, we're gonna have a competition to see are you kidding? You? And I thought it. That was one of the first things you

and I talked about it. We weren't as direct on the air because you know, early we're trying to be support supportive, but you and I talked about like how ridiculous that was, Like how taking away reps from your starting quarterback to do some facade, have some facade out there. No, wait a second, you weren't as direct on the air. You're right, but my points you and I had all we had conversations about it. No, you're right, we did.

We had a lot of conversations. By the way, penalty wise, there are one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, seven teams with more penalties than Jacksonville and there fourth in the league and pre snap penalty so a lot of pre snap mistakes too. Yeah, I would love it, would be great, would be great. Someone actually did some homework and like how many of the penalties extended drives, Like they're off the field and extended to drive. M not pretty?

You know that. Next question social media, they're rolling in to night at Zach Bierman. What are teams doing to take Josh Allen out of the game and should he be able to overcome that given he was drafted to be a premier pass rusher. Well, of course, we've talked about this. I'm not seeing anything. There's no like purposeful like running guys at him, trying to double them. I ain't They're just blocking them. I've not seen you said it. We're worth blocked him when they played him a couple

of weeks ago. He ran because he ran line into him. Pete. He had a four year old who struggles to bend his knees and isn't really moving that. Get on the edge, make him move his feet, go speed to power. Change it up. Hey, Pete, we're on the showing. Here's the other thing. Here's the other thing. It's not like a chipping them and doubling them as if you were paying attention. It's what I just said. You're too busy looking around your office and who never came in. Literally what I said,

you didn't say exactly that I didn't pay attention. Pay attention to the show, Pete, like I do every day, every segment of every show. Tony Boselly Pete is locked in. Let me tell you what he was late tonight. He was locked in when he showed up. I let you know as to be late first of all, so I'm not late if I tell you, I mean we but but j P. We can forgive him for being late tonight because he had that consultation and meeting about becoming the general. Did not. That's a lie peak. Stop saying

that that's not funny. You're gonna get me in trouble. That's not true. Kidding. Everybody knows I'm kidding. I don't know. People sometimes based on some of the tweets weekend in social media, I think some people think you're serious until Twitter. Jaguars look at Baseli for no, no, no, they have a GM. Trent Baldon is the GM. Just imagine in this zoom interview today he wore the Lumberjack shirt. Now that's bold, that would be bold lumberjack. It's kind of

it's kind of lumberjack ish. Was was it? Was it for football? Are you doing a game this week or something? What I'm doing the game? I'm doing the Titans game Thursay night of Nashville. Okay, it's a good game, Titans. Titans, Hey they tied. They're only a game, game and a half ahead of the Colts. Now here they come. Jimmy Garoppolo is playing good football. Buck one another social media question, keep them rolling in here at rich Ato. If the teams were open to it, would you trade the first

overall pick from Mike Tomlin or Sean Payton? No? No, no, first overall? No second round? Sure, when's the last time that happened? Was that Bill? Bill Belichick? Didn't Gruden get Yeah? Gruden Tampa Beta, Oakland, Oakland Raiders, Tampa. I know, I know Belichick got traded from the Jets, the Patriots or Patriots and Jets whatever it was back then. Yeah, yeah, um well yeah, what is it? Would you give up that? Would you give a second round or ever Sean Payton

or Mike Tollin, Yes, I would do. I would do. Wow, Terab, what's not good? Why are you? Why are you still wearing the cards? I want to prove that it's not a lumberjack. It's more of like a like it's like a surfer. God, I'm at the beach in California's little chili just out of the water. Just's California. I was hanging in California. I was hanging tan, hanging tan on my board. That's the biggest surfboard in the history of surfboards. Yeah,

so they gotta keep warm your little chili. One more social media question at Reno High Tower, twenty one jags of the playoffs in four over or under? I say under under. We'll get a coach in there that knows what they're doing. They'll be under for sure. Maybe next year. Next year. I was next year, he said next year. No. Look, I thought they'd be in the playoff. I thought they have a real shot to be in the playoffs in twenty two. They're not. There's no way. I say three yeah, okay.

And by the way, if Trevor Lawrence isn't the real deal, they won't be in the playoffs until so get used to that. If he's not, that'll do it for social media questions. One a way to bring us down. We'll come back in a moment. Fred Taylor. We're gonna hear from him coming up. No, no, no, we we had him on post game yesterday with some comments about a certain somebody on this program taking shots. We'll find out. I hope they'll go around the NFL in just a moment.

You don't want to miss this. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. Welcome back, It's Jaguars Happy Hour, j P. Shadrick, Pete Frisco, Tony Bosella. Yesterday on Jaguars Post Game on the Jaguars Radio Network, Mike Dempsey, Fred Taylor and I had some final thoughts before we closed out the show. It was a little boxing conversation. Frank Gore was in the boxing ring the other day. Fred Taylor knows him. Well. Here's how the show ended yesterday

on Jaguars Radio. So the day after Christmas, it's the Jaguars and the New York Jets at MetLife Stadium a one o'clock kickoff time December in week number sixteen, Fred, Great to see you. What's gonna w next week? Christmas? Yeah? I wish I was out there. I mean we'll get a w you wish you were out there? So yeah, yeah, ten years removed, I can do. All these guys are boxing late and I can still front of the ball twelve carries or maybe eight? Would you ever consider boxing? No?

But I will come on a fight though, if you if you did considera like, who would you like to get a piece of in the ring? Um? Probably Pete Prisco. I'll tell Pete all the time he started the fragile Fred thing, but he says he did. But Peter's my guy. You know, we we've developed the friendship. But I like, put him in there with no head gear and nothing. Let me just bang him up. Sure you have the height and reach advantage, that's for sure. Oh for sure.

I just hit him like King Cooper Mike Tyson, just belly shots all day. Oh that was classic Fred Taylor yesterday. Pete about it? You know he I'm bringing him into our studio in a couple of weeks to do something with with Ray Lewis, to help him try and get the Hall of Fame. I might cancel that. Look, Fred's kidding. We have a great relationship. He's one of my favorite guys that ever covered. And uh and I did not start fragile Fred. I promise you I did not start Fred.

I am guilty of one thing back and walked up to friend when he was a young player, and I tricked him into saying he could rush for two thousand yards in a season by saying, hey, Fred, you know these guys have a role rush for two thousand yard? Do you think you can get there? Oh? I get the two thousand yards. And I had my head, lie Fred oller, I could rush for two thousand and so

I that was I did do that. But I the fragile Fred was not me because I I am one of the few guys around that team that took up for him, because I know a bad that growing was ripped off the bone and Coughlan listed him at week the week, every single week, which was it was not unfair to Fred Taylor. I still like to see put you in the boxing ring. No, you would, he'd beat daylights out. But I fight though. Let's go around the National Can I bring? Can I bring like a baseball

bat in there or something you need? You need all the help you can get. Yeah, that's right, Fred can bring he can bring it. Let's go around the NFL hits, some scores, some highlights. Chargers fell to the Chiefs on Thursday, the Colts over the Patriots. Saturday, the Bills knocked off the Panthers fourteen. The Lions we mentioned them earlier. A fullback touchdown Dan Miller with a call of courtesy of w x y T FM N on the ticket and

the Detroit Lions radio network. Stop takes, turns, fakes the gift, rolls right, grows Tut's touch down, Detroit Lions hard run, fake left off, roll right, found's full back and the Lions have added to that lead. What a win for the Lions feet The Jaguars lost, so their number one in the draft order. Now the Lions get their second win. Yeah, and you know what, that was a bad showing for Arizona. That's a bad loss. That that can't happen quick thing.

I wanted to ask Tony if he knew this. They showed Brunell on the sideline during the game and he had a play sheet. Was he called him plays on Sunday? I don't think so. No, Dan Campbell calls place. Yeah, I might have to go. You might have to ask he's had a play sheet all year? They because he's no. He looked like he was engaged, and I'm telling him, maybe it was called bass plays. I'll bet you anything

you want, Pete. He was not calling place. I know, maybe he wasn't, but it looked like he was more involved than that. But hey, maybe that's what would be a good thing for Brunell. You can hired Kevin O'Connell's being the head coach and bring Brunell back to Jackson will be the offensive coordinator. Would you hire here's a question for we didn't talk about this next head coach. Does he need to have head coach NFL head coaching experience for you to hire? Nope? Would you would you

favor a guy who had head coaching experience? Nope? I think you need to be I have been a play caller at some point. I think I think I would at this point. You know why. I think you need like somebody who's done it before, like place like you need to get it back on track, and like I'd worry about a young guy who's never a young guy who's never done it before, Pete, I'd worry about. So you just narrowed it down to a guy like Josh McDaniels, because I didn't just eliminated Byron Left which I just

eliminated Kellnmore, you just eliminated Kevin O'Connell. You just eliminated Todd. Odd Bowls could be a possibility Todd Bowls. You didn't listen to what I said, I'm not saying I eliminate anyone. I would lean towards like somebody who's not been head coach before, like a Byron left with Kevin O'Connell or Kullenmore.

They would have to blow my socks off for me not to go with a guy that had experienced like a Todd Bowls or a um or Doug Peterson or Josh McDaniel or Jim Calwell or whoever's out there that has experience. Some more games around the NFL, Dolphins over the Jets thirty one four, Cowboys beat the Giants twenty one six. The Steelers over the Titans. The Steelers are covered a fumble Bill hill Grove on one or two point five w d V and the Steelers radio network.

He steps in, We're the one back, look at a slot, right tight end, right read deploys to the left side of the formation. Oh, I fumbled a snap. It's there, and a big paddle up and the standers say they have it. Who has the ball? The fumbled snap ends up in standler's hand. Yes, yes, yes, fired up. Steelers win it. The Titans, who they'll get a little shaky in the a f C South right now, we lost four and five. I told I said here first, Pete said,

there's no chance to here come the Colts. Three games left, one two games back. Would surprise you? Who do the Colts have this week? Stand by? You think you you really think in three games they're gonna blow They're gonna blow that culture at Arizona, Okay, culture in Arizona, Okay, would surprised you have the cold to beat the Arizona Cardinals, who were going the wrong way? Okay? The proj hold

on who's who's Who's Week six? Who's Week seventeen for the Colts at the home against the Raiders at Cardinals at Cardinals home against the Raiders at the Jaguars for the Colts. And the Titans have the Texans. The Titans have to win one game, that's right, No, they have to win two. Sorry, they know if they lose. If the Titans win one of the next three and the Colts win all three, the Colts win the division because they won the Titans. Titans win one and the Colts

lose one, they win the division. That's Titans are home against San Fran, home against Miami, and then at Houston. They're winning too. They're done. Okay, we'll remember that. Moving ahead now to the Bengals at the Broncos. Tyler Boyd with a long touchdown Dan Horde on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty and the Bengals Radio Network. The Bengals don't huddle. They snap it to Burrow, throw us downfield for a

wide up. Boyd catch us at the thirty, great truck cut back toward the middle of the field of the ten, the five touchdown. Bengals a fifty six yard answer Choe Burrow to Tyler Boyd and the Bengals are back in front. About the Bengals, Pete, it's a good team. It's a good young team. And they got a big game this week with the Ravens. And remember last time they played the Ravens they dominated them. And the Ravens are banged

up across the board. Man, their secondary is bad right now, So I look, the Bengals have a real shot to win that division. About that a real chance. They were terrible last year, good this year. Forts over the Falcons thirteen, and then the Packers held on against the Ravens. They went for two point try late the Ravens did it

failed the Packers win. Wayne lav he had the call on the Packers radio network motion from a tight end of the wing of the left side, Huntley and the shot gun lot Tavias Burry to his right, sniffed to Huntley, rolls right, throws right side of the ends Tennison complete, incomplete, right corner of the ends on in front of the pilot and incomplete. The Packers are gonna hang on and win this game. Pete, how do you feel about those calls? Going for two? Well? Did Wayne not realize that there

was also an onside kick coming too? There wasn't the left look that one I had no problem with. And here's why they The Packers had done whatever they wanted to on offense. They were really struggling in the secondary. They had the momentum. I don't. I don't have any issue with that one. I normally I would push back on something like that, but that situation, go for it. And Huntley played well. By the way he played, he did some really good things. The Saints over the Buccketeers.

The last team that shut out Tom Brady was coached by Nick Saban. That's how long ago that was nine nothing. The score yesterday Saints over the Buccaneers. Monday Night Football. A couple of games one underway right now, the Las Vegas Raiders and the Cleveland Browns, and then later tonight the Minnesota Vikings and the Chicago Bears. Who you got tonight in a doubleheader. Guys, that was terrible, by the way,

that was the worst one I've ever had. As almost as bad as your jacket because he was, you know why, because there were two games and he was kind of discombobulated a little bit. They threw him off his bo almost as bad as his jacket. The Raiders and the Project Man. COVID has just wrecked them. And then no quarterbacks there down to the third Street quarterback in tonight, I like Minnesota talking about people haven't paid attention. Chicago's

ravaged by Covids as Cleveland. Almost the entire secondaries out. Kirk Cousins has a huge day. Raiders lead at seven nothing, by the way, six minutes left in the second quarter. And Tuesday see ton't let the Rams Washington Philly. That means go Rams Philly. By the way, the NFL loves they don't like COVID, but they love playing games every night of the week. I can tell you that ratings. Banan Bonanza, Pete, have a great week, Peter. All right, guys, Mary,

Christmas to you. I don't Christmas Pete, Chrisco the Grinch laugh. He didn't bring it out tonight. Joe Fortunato in the audio tell my wife he made fun of my jackets about me. A yeah, I like it. It's comfortable. He was coming at me. I didn't bring it back to him. Chick Chicks dig. That's Tony Vaselli. I'm J. P. Shadrick. We've had enough. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network