Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, December 2

Here's what's coming up in the program today. Bucketeers twenty eight Jaguars eleven will recap this football game all the way through a quarterback change at halftime and now beyond. Gardner Minshew will be the quarterback this coming Sunday against the Los Angeles Chargers. Doug Maron announced it today. The defensive depth tested yesterday. We'll see how those guys stepped up and played social media questions. They are piled up

today at AFC South Review. I guess the Jags are out of the race and around the National Football League. That's all coming up with the biggest news today, of course, the change of quarterback. Gardner Minshew will be the strutter this week after coming in at halftime against the Bucks yesterday and finishing the game. Doug Maron said it on his conference call today, but boy, that first half guys six possessions, three turnovers three three and ounce no juice

at all in the stadium in the first half. Now, listen,

it was as bad a start as you probably could have. Uh, coming off the three losses in the division, coming home for the first time, and with thirty five days, thirty eight days, whatever it was, you was London and the bye week, we're in there, and to start the game the way you did offensively, I mean, it was it was just it was surreal as far as the lack of energy in the stadium, which you can't I mean, that's not on and we set it before you had.

I mean, the fans are ticked, they're unhappy, rightfully so, and so it's not on them. And and we talked about it that it's imperative for the players to come out and create the energy and get things going. And they did not. And it started. It starts with the quarterback, uh, Nick Foles and how he performed, and it just kind of trickled down throughout the rest of the offense. Defensively, they hung in there. You know. Yes, they gave up twenty five points in the first half, but a bunch

of turnovers. One of those was to pick six fumble return scoop score. So it's really eighteen points you gave up. But still it's uh and it's not just a quarterback. I mean the offensive line I think probably had their worst day in my opinion. Uh. If you if you heard Doug Morone today, Pete, you're with us all right? High Pete? How are you? Um? I'm good. By the way, they might be the worst team in the league right now. The worst they might be. You can make a case

for it. How so, well, what do they do well? Do they do anything? Well? Um m hm, well they have did you put it that way, Pete? DJ harks you know top five and something in the a f C and Leonard Ford they catch they catch the ball out of the backfield. Well, it's like number two rushing in the FC or maybe what are they doing well right now? As do we? As we speak of right now? Well, I mean, I mean you have to be doing something. Happy if you have asked you as you were stumped

you have you're stumped again, I'm not stumped. I'm just thinking through to have a precise answer before I give it to you. I mean, what's Leonard for that they can punt well? Logan Cook's having a great year? There you go, Okay, Leonard for Dad's leading the anc and rushing? Is he still he's close there? Let me check? So you have what do you have yesterday? Leonard yesterday had thirty eight yards rushing on fourteen carries. What are they doing well right now? But he also had fifty three

yards receiving on nine catches. What are they doing well right now? Um? It's fair. I mean when you lose four in a row the way they've lost four in a row, nothing is going right and nothing is very good. But I mean I think you, I mean, you look at boy. This is I don't even I don't even want to say this. But if you look at say a number of teams around the NFL who aren't being a aren't performing at a high level right now? I mean, what do the Bengals do well? What do what an

adult better at quarterback? Right now? Yesterday? I get that I'm saying, but is there anything If you're the Bengals, you're hanging your hat on right now. Probably not Tony, but this team can't hang its out on anything right now. That's I agree with you. When you're losing, that's that's that's the reality. At least one yesterday, Dophins one yesterday.

The Dolphins won yesterday. Yeah, Redskins. I understand that just because you win one game, or lose one game, or lose four in a row like we have is good. It's awful. It is awful. With the capital Ay, we talked about that last week. We said that. I said it. I said, it's my worst team in the league right now, and I said it three weeks ago. If they don't, if they don't play better and they continue to play the way they are, they won't win an other game.

I mean, you can't. I mean, so the defense plays better. They actually held you know, Tampa under all their season averages. Offensively, especially in the second half. They played well. And but then all of a sudden, you look up and you have four turnovers in an offense and you can't score points. This team doesn't score any points, and it continues to be a problem. They didn't score points last year, they're

not score points this year. They have. They have a total of thirteen points in the first half in the last four games. And so it's not just defense, it's not just the offense, it's all of it. It's it's a it's an awful product on the field right now. There's no way to sugarcoat it. And the heart and then you got and then you got the Alba jaws. You got a contract for a guy that you're pention that is out of this world. It me, it's a disaster. Well that is what it is. I mean, there's nothing

you can do about that. I know what it is. It's not good. It's not good, but it's it's it's a cost that's paid. There's nothing you can do about it. So like you shouldn't play a guy just because of his contract if he's not play him. But that's just it. It's it's it's the whole thing is a disaster right now.

And and there's no silver lining. There's nothing you can sit there and say, oh, well, at least they have this guy, or at least they have no you have a quarterback that paid all that money that's now going to restrict your ability to do things with the salary cap. Well, they're gonna have plenty of cap room at the end of this year. I meant million of it on the cap for for him, agreed. And there's nothing you can

do about that. You can beg somebody to do an Oswiler deal and trade him, and I hope you trade. They trade a third round pick to get him off the books or something like that. Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen. Um. And the I mean, when you say there's nothing to hang your hat on, there's no good I mean, they do have some good young players. They do, and Josh Allen being one of them. And of them, that's right, they have good young They have

some good young players. Um. And I can't believe. I can't. I can't believe I'm the one going there. But as you look for the future and then when it comes to you know, the draft and free agency and everything else, there are a bunch of holes and there's a bunch of areas that need to be addressed. And can you can you address those in one year? No? No, that's the chance. And so that's where it gets frustrating. And that's where it gets you. You look at it, you're like, dang,

how did. How did how did we get here so quickly? M Yeah, that was a question. Player procuremid that's the easy thing to do. Players. You gotta build players. You gotta find the right players. You know that, Tony, you can have the greatest coach in the world. Theydn't have any players. He didn't win it. No, I agree. I mean it's a tough situation. It's continued, but by the way, we haven't. We haven't done the show since Tom's little press conference last week. What the hell was that? Well?

I think there's been there's been articles written about it, Pete that I'm sure you saw. There's been a lot of talk about it. It was not received very well. Yeah, I did not. I don't think it went over well. It didn't look much better after this weekend either. The fans didn't like it. I don't think the media like that. They jumped on it. It was I didn't I didn't say anyone should. What was your biggest issue with it? Standards and never saying anything. That went to a new

hyde of never saying anything. He didn't say one thing. Nothing. I didn't say one thing other than to plour the fans to pay and go to the game. He did not. And believe me, I've been around that guy a long long time and I've dealt with him not saying anything. By far and away. That was the worst instance of I'm not saying a thing. He didn't say one thing, didn't dress anything, didn't say anything. You No, I did not come across right. I don't think it was the

message was communicated very well. Whatever the message that was trying to be uh conveyed um and it didn't help anything. But don't you think he needs to go up there and answer the questions and not get coimbative about it. Just to answer the questions, You're gonna open yourself self up to that, which, by the way, I don't know. Was he forced to do it, Did he want to do it that? You don't know. But if you're gonna open yourself up that way, answer the questions, you would

have been underneath a rock for the entire season. Answer the questions well. And I would tell him if he walked in front of me, I tell him the same thing. I know you would be. I'll say this, I think you don't have to answer all the questions, but you have to answer some of the questions and the hard part was and it was set off by the one of the early questions about Jalen Ramsey, and Tom's response was, I don't want to He's not on this team. I

don't want to talk about him. The problem with that is it should have been addressed when the trade was made and then it's put to bed and you don't have to talk about it again. We talked about that on this show and it didn't happen then, so that kind of started the entire communication between Tom and the press, and then you know, you started asking about the coach and what are you gonna do with that now? I for one, and maybe you could have said it differently.

If you're Tom, if you're asked about whether you're gonna you know what your evaluation of Doug Morone is right now. The answer is that it's an ongoing process and we'll continue to evaluate and the decision we made at the

end of the year that would have been fine. I mean, he said it differently, but I'm not sure what else is he is supposed to say when you start asking about the job status of the head coach, Well that I understand me and the other nobody would answer that question right and then but the other hard part is is you don't want to come across and I think some of the people got frustrated is imploring the fans.

Obviously that drove the fans crazy, and going over statistics of young players doing good things because nobody wants to hear that right now, even if it's true. I'm not saying I mean, Josh Allen's a good player. It's almost like you're pat yourself on the back. So you can't do those things because you set yourself up for what happened.

I mean, if you get out, I mean the conversation is answer the jams question because you didn't do it before, and then you go on saying it's not good enough and needs to get better, and it starts with me and it goes down to the organization. I mean, that's the only thing you can say at that and then you answer the questions the best you can. What did you guys think of Doug last week? Saying that there was internal questions about the way he handled training. Again,

that was clearly a shot at Coughland. Well, that was the day before the cold press conference. It was clearly a shot at the other coach and my question is done. Well, that's part of the problem, the other coach, or should be only one coach. I don't know what Doug gains by saying that at this point. Well he's going out the door. Why not take I'm going down, You're going down with me. Well, if that's the case, then it's gonna be an ugly four weeks. It will be an

ugly four weeks. Of course, it's going to be an ugly, disgusting in in fight he saw fighting between players yesterday or arguments. It's going to be bad for the next four weeks. Tony, There's no doubt about it. You can't sugarcoat it. Even you, in your captain sunshine ways can't sugar You just can't. I'm not trying to. By the way, have I tried Have I sugarcoated anything to last three weeks?

I mean one thing I sugarcoated. We'll all think about it because the fans know, they'll know, they'll they'll tweet at Tony Boselliot tell them what do you? Go ahead and tell me what do I sugarcoaded? Pete Will this team won another football game this year? They might have an accident and win one but other than that, no, they stick. They're bad. It's a bad team. Come on, let's be real. They can win this week. By the way, the charges are coming across the country there four and eight.

They just lost the Broncos. They're awful on offense, I mean just atrocious. They can't score points and they turn it over. So, yeah, you think, do you think they'll win this week? Don't you know? I get locked the Chargers. You're the most You're just lock him for the Okay, next week, Okay, it's a winnable game, But do you think they'll win it? I don't. Okay, what's the next one? But you agree with me that Argers aren't very good right now? No, but they got pass rushers, they got

Dirdwin James back. Philip Rivers is a better quarterback than what Jacksonville has. Hold hold on a couple of things there. Philip Rivers is having a bad year. He's having a bad year. He's still better than what they have. He was threatened to be benched by Anthony Lynn. Basically, yeah, he's better than what they have. I do worry about their defense because I mean Joey Bosat Melvin Ingram, especially after what I just watched on tape Gardner better to

be able to be mobile, start running right now. Um, and Derwin James is back. They're much better on the back half with him obviously. So yeah, I'm not saying I wouldn't favor us to win the game if uh, for entertainment purposes, Yeah, if for entertainment purposes only. And the next read the next three. Then next the next week you go to Atlanta. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Tony, you do have a little schedule. What are you talking. That's tough. They're not good, but that's that's gonna be

a dreadful trip. You know the history of that. Nothing to play a game at the call, see if you think that place will be going a little bit. And then at Atlanta. Yes, Atlanta is not better than them. Atlanta is no good, but they're not better than them. And then home against the Colts and the culture probably needed to stay in the race. They're not playing well, but they're not winning again, and that would be that would be a bad thing to be a high draft thing.

They're up. Don't draft yet, Pete, So they're gonna well we might we eliminated yet well, no, we are. It's we're officially not I have officially eliminated you have, Yes, we are, really, I'm officially eliminated from the playoffs. So four wins, four and twelve will get you what a top five pick? Probably, So you're so you're gonna go on an eight game losing. You're gonna fish the season

by losing eight straight games? Yes, oh, four and eight might get you the way things are going, the number three, yeah, four pair, So we should start eyeing the draft. Then oh gosh, oh no, it's December. Second, it would be the first Where do you want to dress? First? Peet? Where would you gone? First? And foremost? Tackle? I would actually think I've started the defensive line, but uh, there's big I'm going big one way or another? Yeah, one way or the other. Two big people in the first

two picks. We gotta we're gonna have to talk about that offensive line a little bit tony because back is an issue. Well, Pete, we've talked, Pete. I mean, I love cam but we talked about it from the start of the year. There was concerns we talked about on the Thursday Show with Jeff beat You and I've talked about it and it's a it's an issue right now, and it's not gonna be easy. You talk about a matchup that is not favorable for us, the way Cam is playing right now, it's gonna be tough for Cam.

And I feel, you know, I hate talking, you know, I love protecting those guys and love being, you know, being in their corner. But right now, it is what it is. And with Joey Bosa coming, Holy Cow, and Melvin Ingram is a good pass rusher as well, and Juwan Taylor had the worst game of his uh of his young career. Now, I think play well yesterday either penalties, uh yeah, penalties and some leakage in the second half

and pass protection. Yeah, it was not good. All right, we'll get back to the old line a little bit later. We'll come. We have to had enough line talk, right, No, it was not at all j of them. You are amazing at this job. I mean, you really nail things, so are you, Tony. Thanks a lot for that back a moment defensive talk. A little bit later, we'll get back to the quarterback change as well. Gardnerment she will

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you try to do the best job you can. But at the end of the day, when you're when you're pulling quarterbacks and you're pulling you know, maybe other players, there's no doubt it's a direct reflection on on on me. That's how I look at it. Like I said before, We're gonna find a way and get get a good taste in our mouth and look to see what we gotta get do differently, look to see if there's something that we can build on, look to see if there's

something that can get us over the top. And then you know, go out there and compete our asses off and that's all you can do. Head coach Dug Marone yesterday after the Jags lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans, j P Shadrick, Tony Baselli, Pete Prisco, Glad you're along with us social media questions. A little bit later, You've asked Pete for people to tweet in and say, what

Tony is sugarcoatd this year? No, not this year. The last few weeks Okay, well yeah, um, well, if you extended it to this year, you wouldn't you have about eight responsible this the last month. Okay, got it. Somebody said, somebody said Tony is sugarcoated. How horrible Andrew Norwell has played this season. That's not true. So like number one Pete said it last week, he's the thirteenth rade of guard in the NFL. Um Oh, now you're going, I'm just saying that. I don't. I'm saying, but he is.

He's about seventeen sixteenth raded guard. He's middle of the back. Okay, no, that's not middle of the pack. He was. He was terrible as he played. He played bad yesterday. There's sixty four guards in this league regular basis. He's in the upper He's in the upper third of guards. So to say he is horrible is not accurate. And any fan that and actually don't really want to do this, like wants to sit down and watch the tape and understand what is going on and watch him actually play. That's fine,

but you they're not doing that. They're going off you know, a penalty here, a bad play there. You have to look at the entire thing because I could go do that with every offensive alignment in the league. And I'm not like he was bad. He played He played poor. Yo. You think Can was better yesterday? Hey, j Uh, I don't think any of them played well. Well, somebody had to be the best. It looked like I didn't know. I don't watch the tape, but I look like a J. Was better than all of them. Okay, a J or

Linda because the other three didn't play well. Bunch of penalties up front yesterday, because we have sixteen penalties on the scene, which is the second most of the single game in franchise history. I thought we were going to defense. No, we're on you. We're here now, We're in it, all right. So that's the next year, going in the next year, going going into next year, Taylor will be the right tackle. Is he the only guy? Are sure to being in

this spot? Good question, No, because you can't change everybody. And so Brandon Linder will be your center. I guess a J. Cand will be your right guard. Will Richardson Um he had a bad day well as well yesterday, did not play well. He'll be here. You'll be your left guard. Probably, I don't know, because here's the thing. Can you. You have so many holes to fill where I sit right now, if you go through that the entire roster of what you have to fill, you only

have so many draft picks to do it with. And so I'm not saying Andrew Noel is worth the money you're paying him right now. You're paying him a lot. But we've talked about that's what happens in free agency. But I don't think you can just sit here today and say Andrew no Well is gone. That's not accurate. Like you have to look at other places you have

to fill and fix. And if Andrew Oil is one of your more consistent offensive linemen, are you just gonna get rid of him because you're mad how much you had to pay him two years ago? I don't think so. Now it has to be addressed. You have to look at it. Can you restructure it, can you do things? Or can you find somebody as good or better? Then

you make the change. But until you know that, you just can't just say get rid of him because I don't like the deal we signed him to, even though he's probably playing consistently one of the better linement that we have. His cap hit next year is fourteen million dollars, So you gotta look at it. I mean, Pete, you know this all the time. Guys, you're restructured. I mean, now that's a that's a whole another issue. If he's willing to restructure than then okay, but his capit is

fourteen million dollars. They save nine by sending a packet. I'm just saying, but you understand, you just can't start getting rid of guys until you have someone to replace them. There's only so many holes you can fill in each offseason. Right, let me correct myself. They don't say they save five and a half, so he's probably not worth gutting. Okay, So I guess the bigger picture on this, right is

who's making all these decisions. There might be different decision makers that have different ideas on right, I mean, this all might be a what a different system that they don't fit into. Well, then you have to make wholesale changes. You can't do that one year either, obviously, you can't. You have to kind of build it out of based on unless you just say, you know what, we're gonna go super young and we're just gonna take and I

don't think you can do that. The offensive line, especially if you're gonna be going with a young quarterback and gardner Minshew cam Robins to be here next year. He's under contract, but he's got it. I mean. The thing that concerns me and it's he's coming off in a c L. So I know that's hard. But I see the same bad habits of leaning, turning, dropping his left foot when he punches, you know, giving up the edges that we've seen for the last three years. I've not

seen improvement in those areas. And that's what you would know better than me. Could he go to guard? Um, I don't know. And he's kind of got a nasty streak in it, and he has mentality where if you've got a body n body, you might be able to handle it, you know. I don't know. So here's the thing. This is what I don't know. Is he physically strong enough big enough? Sure one, does he want to play guard? He might be if you don't have any options, you do.

But Pete, you know this is well. If the Jaguars cut Camerabinson today, there'd be ten teams signing him trying to sign him because of the lack of offensive alignment in this lake. True and so he might say, I'm not playing guard. Someone else will let me play tackle and pay me as a tackle. What if he could be a good guard and I don't know that. I mean, you know better than you have never seen him line up and guard, but now you know what it takes to be a guard. Does he have the tool set

to be a guard? I don't know. That's something you don't know until you do it in some levels, because you need to know. Can he handle the close combat, the close uh close combat, the you know the you know it's happens quicker, you know they're on top of you. It's a different it's a different position. But like some of the best guards in this league today are former tackles, So I would have to Jack Martin was a was

a tackle. Marcia Yonda was a tackle. Colletio assembly. I know he's not one of the best card but he was when he was good. He was he was a former tackle. I agree with that, But Pete, they also are does he have the lower body strength to be a guard? Right? Well, that you would know that better. Do you think he does. I'm I'm on the fence right now, I really am, and I'm not trying to avoid it. I'm just not sure. Like Ben Coleman played guard next to you, he was a tackle at one point. Yeah,

but he did. He made a nice transition to guard right. He did very good job. Yeah, he had a big lower he was strong in the lower bard. I'll say this, I would probably getting I'd be probably getting Will Rich and some reps at left tackle. I know I would in the off season. He clearly played better than what Cams played at left tack when he was there. I would definitely get him some reps a left tackle. Um. But you, I mean, but JP makes a great question,

I mean a great point. I mean, you look at the roster and there's you know, when you can go do the same thing on the defensive side. But a lot of it is who's making those decisions? Is it Tom? Is it Dave? Is it Doug? Or is there is there new pieces at all? Three? Is it new pieces in a couple Tony? You know it's gonna be new pieces across the board. I don't know anything right now. I really don't have a common sense, Okay, and I can't argue with that. The way it's going, that's fair.

But so then you sit here and you look at the let's put the cell into the GM spot. Oh gosh, he would love that. Not on the ring, Jody, Okay, put you in a GM spot. Is Cam Robinson? You're starting left tackle when you open the season next year, Tony ball, GM. Are you looking for replace? I'm looking for someone to compete with him at that job based on what I've seen this year. Okay, is Andrew nor will coming back? If you could say five million dollars

by them? Go? I mean who? Well? I mean right now, I have no one else in the roster. So it depends on whether how the draft plays out in all the different other areas I have to fill. So I don't know, and Linda at his bloated salary, he comes back or you try and get him to knock it down. Uh, No, I think he's coming back. He can't change everyone out. I mean you can't just you can't make these sold so changes like that. No, I lender is my starting center.

Is there anybody behind other than Richardson who's on this roster that can play that developed and grow and becomes something at the line. I mean Tyler Shatley is your swing guy. That's what he is. I don't. I don't see him coming in as a starting He's he's coming in short spells for a few weeks started that. He's just smart guys you want. I have not seen enough

of Brandon Thomas. I don't know if he moves well enough. Um, and those are the only two other guys besides the war Richardson or in a way he and I don't think a boy. He's the tor left tackle, so fill in tight end. Yeah, he's the extra. Well, we don't have the problem is you. I mean you gotta address tight end. I mean you need probably two tight ends. You need someone to step up. You have no playmakers at the tight end. I mean Nicole Leary. And I'm not saying I mean Nicole Leary. I'm not sure why

we didn't get me here earlier. He's literally your best tight end on the roster than you play fullback. He's a move guy, but I mean he's not I mean he's not a playmaker. He's a good soul. He's a good In fairness to them about the tight end position, it is a bad position in the NFL right now. He just is I mean, you go across the board now, Baltimore has three of them, but most teams struggle to find one Tony. It's a bad position. But the Cowboys

they brought Jason Wittne out of the booth. Right. Yeah, but you have if you if Landard Fournette is gonna be your back, you have to have big physical tight ends. I agree, I agree? And what do you want to be on offense? Do you want to be a physical team personnel? Get the personal We don't have big physical tight ends, but do they want to be? Just like it was, just why Nick Boyle in Baltimore is so valuable because he can block. Let's come back, um a

little more on this topic ahead. We'll get back to the quarterback decision as well. Are we do just skipping talk to forget it? We won't forget it? Well, you can come that, do that when you come back, do whatever you want, because you just lied to everyone listening. You said we were talking defense, and we were right back to the offensive line to your we wanted to hear from you know you're you're hear from me, no

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bellot of participating work for the Deep Lodes. It's when it's one per customer doesn't just started preparing and that something like. And I had halftime though you know something been farmed for for a long time. Coach Brown came in and told me and Nick um situation, and we both talked about it. Um. You know, I agree that we're gonna dere Dame again to get us back in again. And you just try to get loose, um, you know, try to take completions early, getting the flow of the game. UM.

I thought we did a decent job of that. Gardner mins you the second Jaguar's quarterback, the starter this week against the Los Angeles Chargers. Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour, j P Shadrick Tony was Elly Pete Priscoe. Yeah, he came in at halftime. So it's his job. It's his job that way. Yes, Doug announced that today. No, no, not just for this week. It's his job unless he plays well. I don't know. He didn't come out and say, hey, it's his job for the old season. He was asked

specifically about that. He didn't really go there. But I don't think you go back unless Gardner Minshew gets hurt or throws like eight picks. I don't think you go back to nick Folds this season. In my opinion, what's the old saying. You know, it's hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube. I mean you you you bench falls, and like, I don't think you're gonna go back and forth. Doesn't work that way. Maron said today on the conference call that the mobility was really a

big reason why. So that's really it's gotta be a shot of the offensive line and how they play. Why is that a shot at the offensive line? How is it not? How is it not? Well? Why because a lot of people will tell you that mobile quarterbacks you need mobility in today's NFL to play. And then if you look at most of the teams that are having success, they have an athletic mobile quarterback. Let's just go through

the teams. Seattle great right, ben offensive line, Baltimore, Baltimore, Buffalo, good offensive line in Baltimore, Yeah, Buffalo athletic quarterback, uh, San Francisco, Jimmy geez, he's can move though. Canny Pete, Yeah a little bit. Line is pretty good though. When he's when they got the two tackles healthy, I mean Dallas, Dak Prescott Athletic, athletic. I'm just saying, but there's a lot of to just say. It's the reason that they

like his mobility. Like any quarterback that has mobility, whether you have a good or bad offensive line, is gonna an extra pressure on the defense. Well, how about just saying he's played better? The guy played awful for time. Well, that's anybody I wouldn't have said it's the mobility thing. I'd take we're playing Gardener because he's playing better. We feel like he gives us the best yet to win. That's it. Here's for you, Selly. Will Nick Foles ever

be the starting quarterback in Jacksonville? I don't know. You know, no, what if Gardner gets hurt? No? No, aside from injury. Will he win the job back? Um this year or not this year? No? So we can hear more talk about culture building. They built a culture, all right? Why I mean, why are you taking shots at him now about the culture thing? Because I didn't like it last week and I still don't like it. It's just, I mean, the guy's down. I mean, do we have to kick

him when he's Downpete? I mean, he just got fifty million dollars. Make me get down like that? Well's to see. But that's the difference between you and other people. It's not all about the money. I mean, your pride is a professor. You want to be good at your craft, you want to do a good job. It's not just about the money. Beat. I mean, I'm sure, I'm not. I guarantee you. Nick Foles isn't sitting there saying, screw it, I got fifty million dollars. I don't care. That's like

no player says that. It does soften the blow a little now, it doesn't. Trust me, it does not do. It's professional football. It is about the money. No, it's I mean, at the end of the day, I disagree that would he rather be making fifteen million dollars less and playing somewhere That that's a dumb question. It's not either he making making wrong. I'm saying right now today

the money isn't making him feel any better. I'm not saying over the big I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying that you step away from it and you go down the road, you know, a year or you know, after his career is over. Obviously it softens the blow. But right now, trust me, he's a competitor. You think he woke up the morning says, who cares, I got fifty million dollars. No, that's a Pete Prisco thing. That's

a that's stupid. He's go get about a million dollars worth of ones and fill your room with it, and go dive into it for a while and feel a lot better. Well, like Listen, I agree. Over time, obviously the softens the blow and you look back and say, at least I got the money. I agree with that. I'm not gonna be I mean stupid. I'm saying today and in the near future, it hurts because you have pride. You were brought here to do a job. I'll give

you a perfect example. I got went to the Texans, got paid back then good money, and I could not play because of injury. I was bummed because I know, hold on, no but here, but you should say, well, you got the money. You should soften the blow and soften any blows miserable because you want to compete. That's why you're there. That's what made you get to the level. I know, I know you. You wouldn't have taken half

that money to be able to compete. Yes, if if, if someone has said, listen, you're gonna make half as much money this year, but you're gonna be able to compete and continue to play. Done? Done? You kidding me? Maybe the old the oldest sell he might have done that new but Selly, no way, No, I'm just done. Over the long haul, right though, Tony softens the blow. No, not today, doesn't not today. Yeah, I'm with you on that, but I'm not hit. I'm not a guy when he's down, Tony.

But when you signed that contract to become the guy and you get benched, that's the reality of it. The guy is gonna take heat, and he should take the heat. I'm fine you take the heat about how he's played, I'll take I'll bring the heat. He didn't play well. But like for you to bring up this culture nonsense, And I read all these Twitter people taking shots at the culture. What does that have to do with Nobody wants to hear that after care. It doesn't matter, is

my point. That does not matter. Wins and losses. Performing, that's all that matters. So let's focus on that for the culture comment. But we're gonna give Aim an F minus for the way you play again, Sure, if that's how you want to do it, fine for him. We'll give him an A plus for happy he got a gun. Well. For the record, Doug Brown was asked if minshe will start for the remainder of the season in the conference call today. He said, quote, we're planning on him playing, yeah,

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got to be tied. Welcome back to Jaguar's Happy Hour, presented by Jet Home Loans, j P Shadrick, Tony was Selly, Pete Prisco and special guest in studio with this, Marcus Pollard, former NFL tight end and director of player Development. Hi, Marcus, and before we go any further? Hold on, hold on, hold on, before we go? Wait? Wait no, wait, wait? Can I say it on the show? My son just say, just holding it down? Something? Is pizza with us? Or

did he take a break? Yeah, I'm here? Okay, So Pete, Just so you don't think it's me who says that there's no soft landing because of the money today. For Nick Foles, we were talking in uh, who are you? Who are you talking to me? And you were talking there as a player, Marcus. Does the money mean anything

today for Nick Foles? That does not? Uh? For a guy that loves to compete as well as I've gotten to know Nick, Nick will probably give you fifty million dollars back to have success and to play in a winning culture. I don't know if people keep talking about this culture, but for Nick it means everything to him, and so he give it back in our Heartbeatpete, I

hear you. But as Tony said, the two of us spent time in that locker room and it's got paid an NFL contract, and I promise you, buddy will give that money back to be successful on that field, no question if they're willing to give it to him, But him giving it back don't make him have better success on Sun or the past three games either. So giving

it back as a new point. My point is that if he could give it back, and you could look into a crystal ball, wave a magic one and give the money back and him have success and have his teammates have success, he'd do it. I know him. That will now long term, Pete. Yeah, one day you look back and say, well I got fifty billion bucks, my family set for generations and you move on with life. But in the midst, when you're a competitor, man, all you want to do is play and win. That's all

you want to do. Well, I mean, look, I get it, you're a competitor. You want to play. Of course you want to play. But like two J P said, it softens the blow. Okay, this season, it will not soften the blow. This year, it will not soften it. Marcus. So you're here to promote an event coming up. Thank you for coming in. Absolutely coming up, the Gatorade Junior Training Camp Girls Flag football coming up on the right, Yes on the seventhe This is a Tuesday, and and

kids should be out of school. So we're looking forward to the first time event like this. Be myself from you football people will have some high school coaches there as well as some of our players are coming out to help these girls work on their skill set because I understand that this girls flag it's probably the fastest

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you to that event. You can register there and and go on. So so cool. I have just one recommendation. As you're going out and promoting this, no the you r L people ask you to get there. I thought we made it work together. We know the law every Sunday. But when he when he's not here, I would have knew it. You know, I had already send the information, already had already. That's cool though, I think it's great.

Let's have three daughters, Tony, I've not been invited. Ok Um, yes, skills, big skill though I played quarterback and yeah yeah, played tight end and had great feat though oh yeah, believe me. I know a few times not only feel at the same time. But yeah, I think it's great, very cool doing it for the for the ladies. I have three girls who love competing, none of them playing flag football. I'mnna ask them why not. It's a good question them

come out well, but they don't. They're not a team, so they wouldn't call al right, you don't have to be on a team. We would like for them to be on a team so they can take the training and do something the season. Right, But we want girls to get involved in football absolutely else. I think it's an so all the other things that we take from learning football, we could think the girls can do the

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You know, I think, you know, front, they got after us a little bit, you know, not the spat, you know, squeeze the pocket. So from that standpoint, you know, you can extend plays a little bit more. We're able to make some plays where you know, before that just seemed like we weren't able to make some plays and weren't able to protect him well enough. You know, first one, he gets hit as he's releasing the ball, you know,

on the back side. Um. The second one, you know, the right tackle gets beaten the scripts back, you know. In the third one, you know, he should, you know, my opinion, should have been able to hold on too, because he saw me coming from the background. Welcome Back, Jaguars Happy Hour, second hour of the program. That's ed Coach Dug Maroon Yesterday, j P Shadrick, Tonyvaselli, Pete Frisco, your social media questions coming up. We'll go around the

ANFC South and around the NFL in week thirteen. Nice to see, by the way, nice to see BASSELLI get another former player to go after me and JP. You sit on the sideline after saying that you don't even defend me. What do you mean. I was right here the whole time. Yeah, he sat on the sideline, pat was right here. What do you want me to say, Pete? You used my line the whole segment? Were you talking about You didn't? You didn't, You didn't say anymore. You just just sat there and let me take it. It

is unbelievable, Pete. You should know this by now. You should know this. Use my line the whole segment. You should know this by now. About JP, he will run for at the first sign of trouble. He's not gonna get the fox hold to anybody. He is all about protection and you know Switzerland, Switzerland, trying to keep himself out of any harm's way. He's not He's not. He's not a guy who's gonna go to war with you.

He's not a warrior. But by the way, Tony, we were talking about Folds and what the options could be for Folds. Yeah, you could, you could trade him, but who's gonna take on that contract? Nobody? You could beg somebody to do an Oswiler like deal where you give him a draft pick to take him, and how when you trade does his entire cap money go with him, but you take you keep some of the cap right.

And then here's the other problem in the scenario. This year, from what I understand, you can't with the last year the CBN unless they get a new cb A done. You can't designate post June trade or cut, which means you can't split the money. So if you traded him, you're still taking a huge cap it off. I would not be surprised if they don't get to see the cb A something done here pretty quick. Oh, I agree. I think it's gonna get done. Seventh, they're gonna have

seventeen games. They're gonna get it done. They'll they'll figure that out, and the season is gonna go into February and two buys. Yeah, I think that gets done. It's getting done. But but Tony is still gonna be tough to deal him. And or you know, can you keep a guy This is a legitimate question. Can you keep a guy who's making twenty two million dollars on your roster as a backup quarterback? Yes? Or not? Yes, you can, I mean you have no choice. Pet so yes, you've

already paid the money. It's gone, it's done. It's guaranteed it's on the books. So yeah, I mean what else you gonna do? And why not? And if you're gonna go with Minshew, he's your starter. If that's how it

plays out, and he wins is the job. And we still have an offseason, You have training camp in a preseason, so much stuff, and then you asked Nick Foles to be Nick Foles and what he's always done if you need him, come off the bench and play great again, back to what we had this conversation about the offensive line earlier. It also depends on who's making this decision.

You don't know who that's gonna be. I don't think it matters they inherit the money issues also, like just because of new GM or new whoever comes in, that doesn't mean like, oh yeah, what you do over on this one. I mean it's on the books. In business, you'd call this a sunk cost, like it's an asset that you own that you've already paid for and you're not getting anything. It is what it is, So you stop looking behind and focusing on the mistake or what

has happened. You say, we're moving forward. Now it's on our books. Let's make the best of it. That's all you can do. M So as of everything that's played out right now, it's a bad signing. There's no other way to describe it. It's hard for me to think of any other way too put position the situation. I think that's right, all right. It's a bad hit to an organization, really is. How about um a little positivity in this when Gardner, when Gardner came into the game yesterday,

there was a little life. They moved the ball. You had to let a couple of scoring drives. They were down inside the to another time and through an interception. The red zone issues, right, that's been a theme this year. Is that a real thing because of Minshew or is this a change of you know what is run it once when they were down there? Uh? Yes, I believe so. Is it just the Earth Agency thing at that point

in the game. I mean, listen, I think his ability to extend plays and the off schedule play gives you something extra, It really does. Indeed, he drop a touchdown pass though that was it was a tough catch and I watched the film it almost looks like he could have run through better and mint she was leading him because where MITSI wants to put that ball on that that clear out route. You have to put it in the body up into the body of the receiver because

it's gonna be a tough throw in traffic. If you put it away from him, too many bad things can happen. He led him a little bit, so d D had to reach out. He got two hands on it, but then it deflected up. But it almost looked like on the film that there was a hesitation by d D and he didn't run through it, and so it's just a bad play all around. H interesting. You know what we promised defensive talk earlier, we didn't quite get to that. Let's touch on it now. Jaguars defense in this game

really in the second half turned things on. They slow down this Tampa Bay offense in that second half. Donald Payne had to step in his He had played ten snaps on defense in his career, and I think he had what he had thirteen tackles yesterday starting at middle linebacker. Andrew Wingered had seven tackles in a sack in place of Ronnie Harrison yesterday. You're getting deep down the depth

chart here. Of course, guys, that Donald Paine was on the street this year and he started at middle linebacker. Now because it come tells you how how deep they have to go down the list right now, on defense, it's not the ideal situation, but there were some high points on defense yesterday. We'll go through this. Look at

the starting eleven yesterday. On defense, you having Gockway third round pick, Abray Jones, undrafted, undrafted, David Brant, first round plays Campbell was the first rounder, undrafted, second round, the second rounder. But you know Quincy Williams, rookie, third rounder, uh Donald Payne, undrafted free agent, William Jacobs, the seventh rounder, Trey Herndon, undrafted free agent, Jared Wilson, undrafted free agent, um Andrew Wingard, uh undrafted free agent, A J. Boyer

undrafted free agent, but a free agent. To us, that is remarkable. You think about that usually the amount of undrafted. I mean, I mean, like I was looking at the right at the starting lineup. He said, I'm like, wow, the only first round pick on the entire side of the ball is David Bryant and d J. Hayden. When he comes to the nickel correct and Josh Allen. Josh Allen, you know, is a rotational player. But the back half

is all undrafted. With the starting four, well, two of the first round pick defenders are playing for the Rams right now. We just I mean in in for that group, I give, I give a great job play their tail off. I thought Todd washers defense staff did a great job, put them good positions, and I thought that unit. You know, if you look at it the earlier, the grades, and tell me you agree with these guys grades if they

played as well. One second before you do that, the Buccaneers were averaging yeah and a half points a game. They were third third and scoring fourth in passing, and if you look at what they did, they did a great job. They gave up uh eighteen points and really slowed down Jamis Winston through the air. I thought, I thought they played good. All right, let's go through. Tell me if you thought this guy played good or not,

I'll tell you how they graded him. Abrey Jones, mhm, uh didn't stand out solid, not great, Nope, big great. Tavin Bryant. Tavin Bryant probably had his best game of the year. I thought, exactly. They gave him good grades on their Clays Campbell. He made some really good tackles for a loss. You know Claisses, but Clays right now, Man, the last number of weeks, he's been on the ground a lot and uh, something we hadn't seen from him in the past. Why is that the only thing? Snaps?

A lot of snaps this year, and he's way too many snaps were a player at his age as well. I don't think they want to play six snaps yesterday. It's too much Monique and way. I would say he didn't really flash, didn't do a lot, average, bad, great, Yeah, Quincy Williams, he probably had his best game as well. Ye good, you're good today. Tony oh Pain outside of two plays, played good football. They gave bad grade past coverage, okay, but he he had like thirteen tackles. He had two

bad plays. On the touchdown he was in the wrong gap. Um, so I would probably disagree with him on that one. Trey Herndon, Um nice. Just they gave a good grade and run defense and a bad grade in the pass game. I'm awful grade. But okay, I just say, okay, Jared Wilson, Okay, that's your your spot on wind guard. Uh. For what he was asked to do first time starting, I'd give him like he played well. Okay, yeah, okay, they gave it. Okay, great a j boy A got pained for for his

past coverage. Yeah, he did not play fast yesterday, so I would just say, okay, Josh Allen gave a good grade and run defense bad grade. As a pass rushier did not get much pressure. It had a sack, but it was a clean up sack. He's very good against Runni's physical, tough, and everybody else was just everybody else. So Davis, by the way, played Tony one snaps yesterday. Question will be when will Miles Jack get back. I would not be surprised if we do not see Myles

Jack the rest of the year. Really that he's bad. I don't know how bad it is, but if it's even if he's not gonna be back at least by after the Chargers game, I'd put him in I R Well, if you don't see Myles Jack for the rest of the year, that means you haven't seen him all year. Let's be real. He's gonna be one of the major I look, I love the kid. He's got to be considered one of the major disappointments of the season. It'll

be interesting what they do. Um, because I remember, like the start of the year on this show, we were talking about him being a possibility of being one of the great players on defense in the league this year. We were hoping because we didn't see it the year before, and UM, we thought that this was an important year from to take the staff be signed the deal. UM. To me, I really like Miles a lot. He looks he looks a little heavy. To me, he does look

really heavy. He does not look very instinctual at the middle linebacker position. And maybe, I mean, he's never played will, but maybe you need to find a middle linebacker, move him to will and let you know, we're you know, it's not quite as cluttered in the middle, and let him kind of use that athletic ability a little bit more. Somebody.

But you know, they when they're gonna do staff in here, they might have a team and look at in Gockway and Josh Allen and say, you know what, we're gonna have them standing up and we're gonna go to a different system. And the problem with that is where does Miles fit that kind of system? Right? You're talking about three four, but Tampa Bay plays at three four with technically with David and he's not a big well they really they really play a hybrid. Yeah, that's what everybody's

playing now anyways, right, they really play a hybrid. Well, Steelers pretty they still play a base three four. There's a handful of teams that do. But your Miles is here. He's just signed that contract extension. Miles not go anywhere. You can't go anywhere. No, he can't. He's on the roster. But I wouldn't be surprised. You know, the knee injury, and if I'm not mistaken, it's the same knee had issues coming out of college, the right knee, and um, now I don't know anything. So maybe it's not as

bad as we know that. I mean, well, thank you. Um, maybe it's not that bad. And if you can play this week, great, then obviously you don't put him my R. But if he's gonna miss a couple of weeks this late in the season, I think you just you put him on the IR for the year. Tony. Here's a question for you on the defensive side of the ball. How many guys who are starting right now or projected starters will count? Jack will be starting on opening day

next year. Well, I mean, if you look at it, Labie Glassbie here, well, that's gonna be a money issue. And how much money does Class want to make for the right price. I would like I would want Class back, But he has to be a rotational player. He has to be a guy who's playing twenty t snaps. But if you're hamming that your option, don't you want to go play on a team that has a chance to win? Sure?

And that's what I'm saying. You have to have that conversation with him, and I think you he's earned the right with what he has done here and the type of guys you sit him down, say Class, this is where we see you, and this is how much we can pay you for that role. Now, if you want to go somewhere else, we understand it. We want you here on that role. You just have a man to man conversation with him. He's a stand up guy. He's been a great player, great individual, and but he can't

be playing sixties naps for you too much. H Um. Yeah, you're running out of guys here though, I mean, Josh Allen's gonna be a starter. You have a decision to make with h in Gockway. I mean, you offered him nineteen million in the off season, didn't want it. Uh, so he obviously wants three. I don't think based on the production this year, you can pay him that. This depends again on who's making the call and do you tag him, depending on what what what are you playing?

What kind of defense are you gonna play? Right, we don't know, So you can't okay million dollar bass salary next year. There's no way you know you're not gonna pay. You cannot pay that. M I mean, David Bryant's gonna be on this team. He's gonna be either you're starting three technique or rotational player at that position. There's there's one for sure. Miles Jack is gonna be back. I mean, Quincy Williams is gonna be back. But you don't know where Miles Jack is gonna play, so you don't know

what he's gonna be doing. So there's one for sure, is David Bryant. Um. Yeah, d J hay Now wants Josh Allen will be starting. So that's what I said. I already said him, d J hayd Now I want him as my starting nickel. I think he's a really good player. That means there's a lot of a lot of holes. What about a J. What do you do

with him? How much you know him next year? I'll taking a second, But I mean, that's a that's a lot of money for it is for a guy who's been just okay, right, I don't even know what his number is, so it's hard to say. You're about to tell me, and I'll tell you in a second, but Morshel Darius isn't coming back. Uh, that's a twenty three up I think two million in cap space. That's an easy to say it. So hold on looking up for his conject When I get it, I'll tell you go ahead.

That's a that's a lot of holes on defense. Well, that's so, that's that's why it goes back to the argument of offense, and everyone's like, we'll get rid of this guy and get rid of this guy. Like, wait a second, you're not gonna get away. You're not gonna get rid of solid starters. So this is gonna be a process, is what you're saying. It's a process. Okay. A J is scheduled to make thirteen million dollars in bass salary and he's got so they could say, um,

eleven million dollars by letting them go. He's gone. Let's come back social media questions and by the way, he's played better than I expected. Sorry, sorry, j P. Back me up. So I had to interrupted yet again. Back in a moment. Social media questions right around the corner. We've got a lot of them. Tonight it's Jaguars Happy

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put back in the lineup at halftime yesterday. It is time now for social media questions. Tony and Pete's favorite part of the show every single week. We've got a lot today, so let's get right to him. Number one at Jakun Kun one. What is wrong with the goal line? Offense? Is a play calling? Oh line? Not enough big guys, no fullback? Why don't we use Alan or tavn as a fullback. That's it. I mean, I got no problem with that. I mean you see a lot of teams

doing I mean the Buccaneers used Vida Vella as a fullback. Uh. For the Buccaneers on their goal line, Uh, it's not been good. We've only have three Rushi touchdowns on the year. And when you're struggling to run the ball in the tight red zone, it starts with the offensive line, in my opinion, I think, and the tight ends camp block either that's a part of it. But you have no true fullback on the roster. So I think the the the social media questions the fair one. Why not put

you know, Tavin Bryan or something like that in there? So, and then you have to look at scheme that goes to the schemes. I think it's all the above. That's a lot to decipher. Next question at minor forty nine or nine, question for Pete. If Tony stuck up for his Hall of Fame candidacy the way he sticks up for Norwell, would he be a Hall of Famer already? Your damn right, he would be. Yes, He's put He's gonna have Andrew Norwell in the Hall of Fame in

about three weeks. I mean, you guys are out of control, out of control. Who's you guys? I'm just reading the questions. By the way, haven't congratulated, uh, Mr BISSELLI on being a finalist again along with Fred Taylor. Yes, semifinal, Yes, yes, yes, happy for both of them. Yeah, that's cool, It's really cool. Fred was fired up over the weekend talking to about it. I I texted with him and I know he was thrilled with it. And I know Tony. I've talked to

you and you are too, And I'm locking it. This is the year. Oh you're locking it? The lock hasn't worked? Well, well that's for you. That's for you. My lock works. This is the year. I'm locking it. Pete has locked the Hall of Fame for Tony. We can We got to Runway ninety eight and have dinner. That sounds like a plan. I like it, uh, Next social media question at Oh, hey, there's the lock that I don't It doesn't make me feel very good because we haven't locked

very many good things. Next question at Filthy Film. Hold on, how Pete, how's your lock been this year? Off and on? Not as as yours. Next question, what do you guys think about Prisco going for the Jags GM spot. I mean Mayock did it in Oakland. Prisco love this. It's the same question as last week. The answers people are smart. Yeah, not that they're saying that. Do you still want him as your vice gmpte. I already told you I'm not

working for Pete Prisco system. Sure you are. We make a great team, but silly, Yeah, you just have to listen to my final say. And I would do all I would do all the work if Pete would take all the credit. Yeah, that'd be great. Here here's the plan for next year. As a since on the new GM, we're all gonna go to Canton and watch Basilli celebrate getting into the hall. To be a fun party. We'll

have a big old time. And then and then you watched the whole season as they tank for Trevor, and then they get Trevor Lawrence and everything is rosie for the next decade and a half in Jacksonville. For Trevor. You can trade your two first round picks. G you haven't move up and get him. No, no, no, no, Trevor is a year later. That's what I'm saying, you have two draft picks a year. I'm not doing it that year either. I'm no, I'm going to tank because

I'm gonna rebuild this thing the right way. I'm gonna tank for Trevor. I'm gonna use my two first round picks this year to get two big people. I'm gonna in the second, third round, I'm gonna get big people. And then and then for Trevor, he's already he's already disqualified himself. Let's move on. Yeah, you're no longer a candidate, Mr Criscoe, because Trevor's coming out next year. He's coming out next year, not two years from He's gonna not gonna be in this draft. He's gonna be in the

one a year from now. And what JP is trying to say, you idiot, we have two first rounders, but I'm not trading them up. I'm gonna I'm gonna lose to get him. I don't need to trade up. You have a first round picks. Next question at Sam, I am sheer thirteen. What should we look for or cheer for give us a sliver of hope for the last couple of games. Tony and Peter J. Pow. You guys take this one. Pete get a better draft pick. And Josh Allen the approvement of Tavid Brian. Actually he's playing better.

And watch Minshew, there's there's your things to watch. There are some young talented players in this team. Sure you want to see how they developed. I think that's a sliver of hope for the future. Next question at Riley Underscore Kendrick, do you guys know where I can donate? And at Jalen Ramsey Jersey. I tried local thrift stores, but they kept turning me down because they don't accept

trash hashtag doova. I thought we were told we're not talking about the Rams one last week, right yesterday the Jalen Ramsey signed that guy's jersey freeman put in his house. Yeah, I don't think he would. No, No, what would the uh? I know we're not talking draft yet we are where the Rams drafting right now? That's what I was gonna ask. Right now, I'll tell you a second hold on they won yesterday since in the twenties, I think right, I think it's in the late teens. Let's go to the

next day. The good dudes about that is they got cap issues going forward to Yes, they do absolutely. We'll get the answer to that coming up at John d Underscore. Scott has the next one. Do you remember Thesellly burger some of my fondest memories from the late nineties. What ingredients did it have? What would have improved it? Well, we've really gone we're going downhill here, but um we yeah. I had three patties on it, like on a Hoagi roll, two or three pieces of cheese, some onions and pickles

or a little mayo, we mustard little mayo. It was. It was a good burger. Okay, what was that from Tony McDonald's and ninety five or six? Right? I forgot about what could have improved it didn't have onions on it, but okay, grilled onions improved it. I love onionspos oh, I like colopenios. Yeah, I think those would be two good editions. Maybe about cheddar cheese. I'd like one more one. Hey.

By the way, if the Jaguars the Jaguars drafted today, they'd be picking eight for the wrong pick and twenty for the rams pick. All right, what else would improve these burger piece? Nothing? Let's go on that. Mushrooms I like mushrooms. Okay. Good, By the way, it has a side of ego that comes with it's not very nice, it's hurt full. You are correct, Sir knows blog. Thanks question, who does the Nick Foles signing fall on shot Con, Tom Coughlin or Dave Caldwell. So it's on Tom and Dave.

I mean that that's their responsibility and all the above, right, No, no, no, because you hire good people and then you trust their ability to do the job. On the money, it's on Tom and Dave. You don't think though, that when they're ready to go sign Nick Foles, they don't call upstairs and say, hey, Mr Cohn, are you okay with us

spending eight million? Yeah, but it's not. It's not Shod's job to evaluate the player, correct, that's the that's Tom's ultimately, Ultimately, if you want, it goes to Tom's Tom and and and ultimately I think that was Tom's decision. It's his decision. And I think he was the one that was wanted Folds more than anybody, just like I think he was the one. And you guys to deny this. I don't

know if you've heard this too, but he wanted Leonard Bournett. Well, I'm not gonna speculate who wanted what, but in when uh Shod Kohn hired Tom Coughlin be in charge of all football, it was very clear that he had final say in all football decisions. So how the information is gathered and who is RESPONSI for what piece of that information? And up to Tom? The sign off is Tom at the end of the day. So so how it works? Yes, Tony as a Jaguar guy in the legend and all that.

Does it bother you when you sit there and watch the games and you see just Suson beat down New England on Sunday night, you see Lamar Jackson running wild, ven you see you see you see Patrick Mahomes doing what he's doing. And they passed on the chance to draft all of them. Yeah, let's go to the next question. Final question here at STU whinners for Pete. Given the secondary needs work where thin as safety, the linebackers are trash, and the defensive line is likely to be worse next season.

But players being let go, where would you start on the inevitable rebuild that's now needed. Me and Tony talked about it all the time. You have to draft big people all the way around. Fine, big people, offensive lineman, defensive lineman. If you're good on those lines, like the forty Niners, you're going to be good team. And and that's where you have to start. So it's all about

the draft, and Tony, I agree with you. You go big defensive lineman first, Avid's lineman second, whatever you want to do, but you gotta get big people in the draft. So I mean, I'm a firm believer. You build a team inside out. Obviously, you have to have the quarterback. You don't have to have a you know, Paul Fame quarterback, but you have to have a good quarterback that can we in games for you and you know, operate in the offense. So take that off the board. You have

to have offensive defensive line. You have to build with big people. And then the next piece on defense is you need one really good corner that will help you because it can change how you do your back halfs cover. But starting you build with big human beings. Did you do that? Did you do the Thursday games Thanksgiving? Yeah? I did? Uh the game? Did the night games? Okay? I thought you did the Bill's Cowboys games? But uh, yeah, I mean Josh Allen's another one who's growing as a quarterback.

I mean, these guys are becoming good players, and it's just got to be. If you're a Jaguar fan, you have to be infuriated when you see that happening. And then you see your guy get benched. You see what they paid Bordles. He's not there anymore. I mean, the whole thing has been a disaster from the quarterback position. Not good, not good, not good, no other way to say it. Well, how do you fix it? You hope, like heck bench you becomes something that you didn't expect

him to become. That's how you fix it. And the he'll have a year to do that. Yeah, I mean I think, I mean, unless you're sitting there where you get all the way up to one or two, which I don't see happening, and you value. Yeah, but even if you got the one right now, if you were the one team, would you Joe Burrow is the only guy right now that you can pass my point? I would. I would do a lot of work on Joe Burrows. And if I think he is the next great quarterback

in this league, then I'm taking Joe Burrows now. I don't know that. For a fact, I have watched one game of Joe burrows entire career, which is a Goods Alabama That's it. That's all I saw. So I don't know if he's the guy. I don't know if he has the skill set. I don't know what his mental

makeup biz. I don't know anything about him. But I'm saying, if you got to the point where you're sitting there at one and you think there's a a quarterback that can be a generational guy that's going to be your guy for the next ten to fifteen years, you pick them. Otherwise you roll with Minshew. You let that thing play out through the him and fulls, through the training camp and all that. But you build up both lines and you gotta get more speed in the secondary. That's the

other thing that does worry me. I don't think we're very fast in the back end. Are they fast enough at wide receiver? Well? DJ can fly? Didn't you run like four three? Yeah? Yeah, I think they are. I'm just asking because we watched these teams, like we watched New England last night. They're not fast enough at wide receiver. I mean DJ can fly. There's any question about that. They'll do it for our social questions. They put us in a better mood. Oh yeah, great, back in a moment.

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Atlanta for the Falcons game December twenty. For the official sweepstakes rules, terms and conditions, visit Jaguars dot com slash Like a Mobile Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour, j P Shadrick, Tony Vaselly, Pete Prisco Glad you're along with us eleven the final Yesterday, Buccaneers over the Jaguars. The Jags are now four and eight. There were four and four at the end of October. And the worst part, I don't know if it's the worst part. Wanted to add another

worst part. I will tell you once you say it. Let's see. Because not only they've lost four straights, they've they've been blown out. It has been a bad looking to possession game I mean losses. I mean, so if you average it out, I'm sure it goes well over losses over the four games. That's some. As I said in the post game, it's just some bad football. It's all it is. It's bad. It might be the worst

that's ever been around that and that says something. Seriously, this might be the worst the worst little stretch of football played by any jagg Wars team that includes the expansion team. We're just some really at the end of Coffin's tenure, there's some really bad football. No, they were in games. This might be the world. I'm serious. This might be the worst stretch of games that any Jaguar team has ever had. It's painful. How could we be so wrong about this team? We're way off? Yeah, way off.

We'll beat your way off? So are you? No? I had him? I had us losing four straight. No, you had him winning seventh straight. Not No, I go to the Super Bowl. Remember, we're gonna all eat it runway right? And when the when the division though? You said, and have a home field by Yeah? Yeah, a little off missed it? Just this coach. Let's take a look at the AFC South results yesterday, the games in the division. There was a divisional game Titans and the Colts. The

Titans won that one one seventeen. Derrick Henry went for one line and a touchdown. Tannehill made some big throws efficient a couple of touchdowns, and the Titans made a move there. Pete, how about the fact that they're talking about franchising Tanny Hill. It's unbelievable. I mean, he's playing pretty good football. He's four and one is a start. He's playing really good football. And Jacksonville could hit him a lot cheaper than Nick Foles. Here we go, but

let's be real about it. They could have Texans beat the Patriots on Sunday Night football. Watson was strong again. Three touchdowns through the year and one receiving on a pitch play. Brady had some yardage late to try to get them back in the game. Three touchdowns and an interception, but Watson showing off again. This is uh, this is a pretty good Texans team right now, and they're getting

healthy in the secondary, which makes them play better. It helps that New England can't run, but they played better in defense. That's a big win for the Texas because they Bill O'Brien was oh and five against the Patriots and and to win that game is important for him. And obviously look out close at division races. I think it's gonna be right down of the wire. Are the Patriots? I mean I when we bury the Patriots at least once a year, usually not this late. I don't, but

most people do. Are you are you. I mean, yeah, they do play the Chiefs this week though at Oh, think about this, Tony, if the somehow not somehow, because it's possible if the Bills beat the Ravens this week at home and the Patriots lose to the Chiefs at home, the Bills will be tied for first place. But it's still playing with it later on the season in Buffalo. Like, well,

here's the thing. Even if Buffalo loses this game and the Patriots both lose, they're only one game back and they play each other at the end of the season. If the Buffalo Bills wouldn't beat them, they'd split the split the senior season series. So you have to go to division a bunch of tie breakers. I mean it's not I mean there's a lot of football left to be playing the AFC East. Yeah, Patriots have issues. You watch the game. They I think they can't run, so

they double Edelman. In the past, when you doubled Edelman, you could throw the grock because he or he was getting double when you can throw it Edelman. Now they don't have anybody else to throw to run because I mean, Sony Michelle got away from it. They got away from the line isn't as good either, but they got it. He ran right off the batty. He was running running.

Then they got away from it. I don't understand why they did that, all right, the division standings look like this, Houston at eight and four leading the way three and one in the division, Tennessee making a move at seven and five, two and two in the ANFC South, Indiant six and six, and the Jags at the bottom of four and eight. Well, I mean, the power rankings are the rankings. Uh, Tennessee is playing good football, and Houston saw us to play there. I think they go to

Tennessee from the play him. They play him twice Tonty in the last three weeks. And don't be shocked. I think Titans are the better team right now. If the Titans, who are physical and run the ball, don't be shocked at the end of the season if they're at the top of the division. I'm not I'm not igreting it, but just don't be shocked if it happens. I think it will happen. Do you think, I think? But yeah so you so. If you're doing power rankings, you have

Tennessee as one. Houston is too, oh right, all right, now, man, maybe I might put them ahead of them. You just said they're a better team. That was an oppressive winless like for Houston, though, I I got. I mean they're close for me. I just they played twice in the That's what's gonna decide it. Indianapolis has had problems with for sept the last couple of weeks. M There you have it. The AFC South. The Jags are no longer contenders. Yeah,

that division, I think are contenders in the division. Look four and four if they would have made a run through that next month. Sure at four and fourth if they went three straight over the Titans, the Titans, the Bengals, the Broncos, and the Jets. Oh and the Titans, now looks like a good win because that's the only team that has a winning record that well. They it was not the Tanny Hill Titans. It was the Mariota Titans.

And it was a game that we got the early turnover, jumped up the muff, jumped on fast and kind of just rode the momentum till the end and slowed down so they could actually so maybe the Jaguars could have the first overall pick if they had lost that game piece. Well, the Bengals aren't winning another game, are they. They played Miami again, so somebody's got to win another one. Yeah, let's come back. Let's look around the rest of the

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Welcome back, Jaguar's Happy our final moments here, j P. Shadrick, Tony Boselli, Pete Priscoe, and yet again, if we had the in commercial unfiltered podcast, it would be a hit. Pete Wood, Pete before we go around the league all, you know, joking and tongue in cheek, you know. Put aside, how do you see this thing playing out the last four weeks here? I think Benshew will will be the start of the entire four week stretch and he should be. I think you'll play well in a couple of games,

and average and others. I don't think they're gonna win a game. Uh, you know, maybe one, one, and three down a stretch and then you're gonna see wholesale changes at the end of the year. That's that's how I see it playing out. I mean, it's not it's not. If you want reality, I'm not arguing with you, but it's a long four weeks. It's going to be a

long four weeks. Our show, this show on Monday will make for a long four weeks because we're gonna say the same thing over and over again, which means JP, we gotta start looking at the draft, yes, at some point and free agents. Well, I think at some point you the coaching staff can't do this because you just gotta keep on fighting. That's right. But I'll tell you the thing you do. Worry about it as as an organization.

I mean, if it's continues to go the path that Bete just said, it's obvious that like changes, wholesale changes are gonna be made. The danger on every staff is all of a sudden, those guys are starting to spend as much time looking for their next gig, which is which is natural and understand them, but they got families. They got families. I'm not being critical of them. I'm just saying it's not good. That's the worst part of a coaching firing. Look the head coach, he made a

lot of money, can deal with it. He'll move on. It's like the younger guys who have young families and they got and then they signed up with their profession, so you know what you're getting into. But it's never easy on the families when you get fired like that. They gotta go scramble to find other jobs and hope, like you can stay in in in the NFL, it's tough, not fun. You get you, you get hired, You become a coach knowing that you're probably gonna get They all

get fired, right, everybody gets fired. Tom Goffer got fired in New York and he want two Super Bowls. Yes, now he resigned. Oh that's right, technically yeah, okay. Let's go around the National Football League and recap all these games. Let's starting Thanksgiving the Airs over the Lions. The Bears come away with Risky started playing better in the second half, made some plays, made some throws. Two games in a row, he's played better. Yeah, I agree, he's trending in the

right direction there, six and six. It's it's a long shof for them to get the wild card just because of how strong I mean you have, Uh, you know, you have the two teams in the NFC West. They're not getting the wild card. Both are tenant too. You have Really they're gonna be fighting for the Rams, I guess, Pete, no, because you have them, the Vikings and the Packers. Yeah,

Bills over the Cowboys. Emotional Jerry Jones after the games these days, Well, that's another job that's gonna be open, in my opinion, even if they go to the playoffs, unless they make a playoff run, I don't see Jerry Jones bringing Jason Garrett back. Pete, I don't either, And I think he's gonna go big and try and get Lincoln Riley. That's what I think he's gonna right up the road. And by the way, let's give John mcdermock credit. Guy has done an unbelievable job with that team. Buffalo

is a good team, and he's a good coach. And Josh Allen's becoming a good quarterback like some of us predicted he would. And you you keep on saying that, and for anyone who doesn't know the reason, he keeps on bringing up Josh Allen because he was saying in that draft that he was the best quarterback, and it did look so good for a while, especially at the beginning of this year, and now that he's playing well, Pete Brisco not afraid to pat himself on the back,

will make sure. I always thought he would be the best of that draft. He's not the best in that draft, by the way, No Lamar Jackson is, but Josh Allen might end up being. Remember the Jackson Bills met just two seasons and go in the playoffs going different directions. Since Thanksgiving Night game, you had this one Tony Saints over the Falcons. Not a very good game at all. The Saints weren't very good offensively. Give the Falcons credit, but the Falcons have major issue. Their offensive line is

not very good at all. They couldn't block anybody. He got brutalized in that game. He got abused, They had no Julio Jones. They're not a very good football team. That's another team. I think there's gonna be wholesale changes. It's gonna The only reason there's a hope that there won't be is because how much Arthur Blank likes Thomas de Meatroff and Dan Quinn. But that was a Thursday night primetime game on Thanksgiving Division rivals, and it was

the stadium was half filled. Can't have that game of the week in the NFL. The Ravens over the forty nine seventeen the last second field goal. Lamar Jackson solidifying his m VP front running status if it wasn't already solidified right now. But let's not just give it to him quite yet. He's he is the front runner, but a guy named Russell Wilson, who will see on Monday Night football, is having a great year too. I think

it's down to either one of those two. Is the m v P. Last two weeks, he's tailed off a bit. He's a statistic I agree. I think Lamar is the front runner, there's no doubt about it. But I think that game said as much about the forty niners and what type of team they are. Go across the country at ten am kickoff their local time, terrible weather, wet rain. Baltimore is a good football team, tough place to play,

and it took everything the Ravens had. And by the way the forty nine are slowed down, they're the first team that really slowed down that offense. That's a good football team. And don't be surprised if the two teams we just saw we're seeing in Miami in the Super Bowl. Hey. By the way, one quick thing about Lamar Jackson. In a million years, did you ever think that a guy would throw up a hundred thirty yards and we'd be talking about him as the MTB because the problem is

he rushed Redskins over the Panthers. Yes, another job that'd be opened both those guys. I think both those teams have new head coaches next year. Uh. The Panthers aren't a very good team. They have a great player on Christie McCaffrey. You know, Kyle Allen has tailed off a little bit. And to lose that game they had to lead, but to lose to the Redskins the way they did, I do not see uh uh. David Tapper, the owner of the Carolina Panthers, sticking with Ron Rivera. They can't

stop the run at all. By the way, terrible The black Cat ran on the field of Monday Night Football in November four. Since then, teams with cat mascots were winless oh and twelve. Coming into the weekend. The Bengals snapped that though they got their first win of the year and broke the curse all at one time. There's no such thing as a black Cat curse. That's ridiculous and foolish. But congratulations to the Bengals getting off the schneide and for Zach Taylor getting his first career win

as a head coach. And Darna was terrible, terrible the other yesterday, Dolphins over the Eagles. Dolphins in that game can't happen, Philly, cannot happen. But give it the dog. I mean, Brian Flores, I mean, everyone was killing them that they're taking and you talk to people in that building think it was even Dan Marino said something of how well he has got those guys prepared and to play hard. They're not very talented, but they play hard.

I agree, But when from the Eagle standpoint, there's no way you could be and allow that game to happen. The way that secondary for the Eagles is the trocious. So Pete, they're really bad. Yes, they had played better than the last couple of weeks, and they were terrible yesterday. Let's get through the final few games. Your Packers over the Giants and the snow in New York the Steelers over the Browns. But stop real quick. Pete is Freddy Kitchens in trouble, Yes, he is in trouble. Rams over

the Cardinals, Big Broncos over the Chargers. Wild ending there with a pass interference call. Terrible call. You don't call that in that situation, but it was. It was just an awful call. Over officiated. Let him play. It was first of all, Casey Hayward was looking back at the ball. You don't call that in the middle of the second quarter. You clearly don't call that. In the final seconds, you don't call that. Ever, Chiefs over there is forty to nine. Yeah,

Raiders were terrible. So much for the idea that the Raiders could compete the last two weeks kinda ruin that. It's a monster match up on Monday Night football, a pair of teams trying to keep pace at the top of their respective divisions. A suddenly resurgent Kirk Cousins has twenty one touchdowns and only three picks as he leads the eight and three Minnesota Vikings into the Pacific Northwest to face Russell Wilson, who's falling a little bit off that m v P pace, but still has his Seattle

Seahawks team at nine and two. Who you got tonight in Seattle? Another great Monday night matchup. I mean, you know, years passed, Monday Night football had fallen off. They weren't giving them very good games in my opinion, but this is another great one. I think the Vikings are really good and Kirk Cousins is playing good football. They have two outstanding receivers and one of my favorite backs in

the NFL and Delvin cuk Uh. They can rush the pastor going to Seattle's tough, tough place to play, but I think the Vikes win a close game to Wow. Pete no feeling tonight though. Tony he's out, so he's got the hamstring injury. He's not gonna play. That hurts them. Plus, here's all you need to know, Kirk Cousins, big game, prime time on the road. You know what's gonna happen. Seattle and Russell Wilson are gonna light them up. They're gonna win the game easily. I like Seattle all right, easily.

Ten ten points? Wow, ten points Pete, Prisco, have a great week. We'll talk to you next week. Tony's down, I'm down. You're right. I am this Pete Frisco out of here. You guys all right, man, Tony, we'll talk to you soon. Looking forward to it. Have a good one, yes, thank you for listening and watching Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network