Jaguars Happy Hour: Monday, August 9

The Jags training camp practices continue tomorrow and Urban Meyer's first NFL camp, and we are in the midst of preseason Week one. The Jaguars entertained the Cleveland Browns this Saturday night at t I A A. Bank Field. Camp battles continue. I'm sure Tony has some thoughts about the offensive line spot and someone of positions. We have plenty of social media questions. People have been clamoring to get their questions in for Pete and Tony, and we'll go

around the National Football League. Tony Boselli is with me here in studio. Pete Frisco is not He's down in South Florida. But uh boy, it's great to see you both again. Guys. What's up Tony? Oh doing good? To the seat? One minute, Tony? One minute to get to your seat? Did you get to your seat? Al right? Drake to sell, I feel like we're at practice. Wait a second. I mean I might need that. That might help me a little direction, A little direction, one less

thing to think about, think about. I mean, Pete, you mock it a little bit. I like it. It's organized detail. You might act you might actually need it for this show. By the way, how many times last year a p was he like wandering away and paying no attention right before this show today? Pete? I mean he literally sat in the chair ten seconds before the show started on time, baby time. I don't know, man, Well, I mean, Pete,

you're a practice. You don't like the the loudspeaker, the uh P A counting down thirty seconds next, drill hydrate, hydrate hydrate ten nine. Hey, I mean I can only imagine. I'm sure as a veteran, you know, you know, we would have fun with it. But the one thing I do appreciate, and I've been super impressed, Um, they were in a tight camp. It is organized and everyone knows exactly where to go, when to be there, move movement before, in between drills, not a lot of waste time, Pete.

It reminds me a little bit of Tom. I mean Tom was Yeah, practices are crisp. I get give them that. They they moved, they get it moving, they do it the right way. I just you know me, Tony, I'm a little old school. I don't. I mean, you don't need that microphone out there. You get a horn in a whistle, I mean, come on it, just like it took me a long time to get used to music on the practice here, which I still don't like, by the way. Um, I just, I just I'm old school.

I want to I want to see the coach. Coach blow the whistle, blow the horn. Yeah, there's no music out there. There's some music. It's not as loud as the music is not as loud. I mean, you know they want to save some ear drums. That's fine, I'll still beat. It reminds It reminds me of Tom when I remember when I was a rookie, and I mean my whole time here while there was no one counting down, there might as well be because it was Tom screaming to get to the next drill and that buzzer went

off and you better be moving. Yeah. I just still the Urbans the type to scream at the top of his lungs like he's not gonna be doing that. Well, if it wasn't, it wasn't. If it wasn't tom My Mike maser late Mike Maser Um who passed away a few years ago, my offensive line coach. He was in your ear making sure And I'll never forget that first the first minigam buzzer went off and you're looking around and you better be spritting to the next you know, the next spot. And it reminds me a little bit

of that very organized Um. And the other thing that jumped out at me from practice is Urban's involvement, Like if anyone was questioning his energy level, his passion, you know, that was a lot of talk like making the transition to the pro game, you know, coming out of the booth. You know he had the health issues in the past

where you're gonna get you know, Urban at his best. Well, so far he's answered that question because it is full energy, ton of you know, juice and him involved participating, you know, working with guys one on one um in the middle of the drills, like like in the middle of the drills, in running around. I agree. I agree that was impressive that he does. Anybody who questions his energy level in terms of being involved in being active that that that was misguided. I don't. I don't see that at all.

But I will say this, the only three people in the city of Jacksonville who aren't a coach on that staff for us three. I mean, how do you coach four? Two in the field is Fault it's new and Peter, it's the new NFL. Every player has a coach. You have your personal coach, they say. Listen, they said it was gonna be all about the players. My goodness, it is every guy. Everybody's got their own personal athletic trainer too. I mean, there's more trainers and equipment guys and coaches

and strength coaches. And you can't get right here. You're not getting right anywhere. That I've been doing this for a long time and I travel around the league, and I don't ever remember seeing that many people on a practice field. I don't. Everybody has jaguars garb on the entire field is full of it. No, there's a lot of people. It'll be interesting to see it because stuff. You wonder how many of those will disappear once camp's over.

But if you look at the list of coach, I mean, there's a bunch of coaches and you have multiple linebacker coaches, multiple secondary coaches. I think your nickel coach, I mean, you have I'm waiting for the you know, I'm waiting for the day where there's a tackle coach, guard coach, center coaching. It just I mean, you know, you get away with that at Alabama. You do that at Alabama. Do that to college because he does it. You know, he starts the rules by making guys voluntary coaches or whatever.

But in the NFL, you gotta pay those guys. Guys are getting paid. That's a big expense. Kudos to set Kahn for doing it. I mean, urban's you know, I'm kidding around about the sort of about the microphone. You're not long bit for me. Come on, you know me better than that. Every time the cell he's not in his chair in the chair ton he was only good in the jaire. But he does he is moving this team in the right direction in a lot of ways. Though, I mean, get if they get the practice facility, that's

something they needed for a long time. That there's a lot of things moving in the right direction. So kudos in for that. But you know me, I'm gonna stick to the old school stuff. Well, you know, if if and let's hope they are, if he's successful, you'll know that more, more and more teams will go with everyone, but Belichick will go with more and more coaches. You've already seen it. I mean, I know other places, Pete, maybe not to the extent here, but literally not like

they hire because I know the guy they hired. I'm not going to mention the place, but they said they hired the well not name names. Now, come on, it was he was the Nickel coach. Like wait, like like just Nickel, Yeah, coaches Nichols. I'm like, okay, I mean I guess you know, well that is a starting position. Come on, it's it's a part of the say, once upon a time, Pete, there was a secondary coach that coach safeties and corners and nickel and everything else, and

an assistant secondary coach. And now they got a safety coach and yeah, I mean it's it's and you have inside linebacker coach outside, linebacker, coach, assistant inside. And let's be real. If he wins and isn't going to be because of the coaches he has, or the horse showing or the new this, it's gonna because of his quarterback. But before we get to the we'll spend plenty of time on Trevor. But my point is this is a copycat league, and if it's successful, you'll see more and

more teams do it again, everyone but Belichick. Belichick is the one guy who's still coaching. Like when I coach, you have one coach here, one coach there, your coordinator if you even name a coordinator, coordinators, coach, coach in a position possibly And this is this is different. This is this is where the NFL is going. Let's get your body a lot of abouties out there in the middle of that stretching lot. That's right. Holy cow, it's chaotic.

I get nervous watching the stretching line because there's people run around, throwing football's, high fiving each other. I mean, there's a lot going on. It's like an assembly line. You, I mean there's a coordination to that. See it great to see you have a good practice, up and back and up and back. By the time you've done stretching, two guys have talked to you. Yeah, that's right. Let's

review the weekend Urban Meyers first NFL training camp. They had a scrimmage Saturday in the final open practice on the Drink Finders Homes practice complex and then moved into the stadium Sunday, took the pads off and did a mock game, working on scenarios and situations in front of over fifteen thousand inside the stadium Sunday morning. Trevor Lawrence. We heard from the Jaguars quarterback after that practice. He enjoyed being in the bank, but having the fans out

here is always awesome. Um, just really excited for this season, and you tell there's just a lot of energy around here. So we're we're pumped. We've had a great camp and it was fun to have a little scrimmage day in front of some of the fans. Good to hear from Trevor, and I'm not sure if we're gonna hear from him before preseason week one. We'll get to the playing and the all that coming up. But they were in the

stadium Tony on Sunday morning. Yeah, and you know, a little bit of backlash, probably the maybe the maybe the first like negative fan reaction to UM the Urban Meyer era, you know, because it was positioned and communicated forever that Saturday or Sunday was going to be a scrimmage for all the fans that come see And when you think of scrimmage, you think of pads and hitting and getting after it and kind of your first and because historically

that's what's happened, there's been once you know, whether it's a Saturday night scrimmage or Sunday afternoon or whatever, it doesn't matter. Like a big dress rehearsal and r there in a big moment and fans come out and last minute, at Leastaway's described to me is last minute. You know, Urban decided to take the pads off and make it more of a you know, it wasn't full speed, but like go through and get some game situations. It was a good to Chris practice, nothing wrong with it, but

much different UM than the fans were expecting. And any time, listen, this is the entertainment business. Anytime you're in the business like this and you set expectations and don't mean that you're gonna hear about it. And boy, it was on talk radio day. My I was my text was blowing up from people and my point was, I get it. I get the fans being disappointed because you again, the question is why couldn't you do what you did on Saturday on Sunday because that was a scrimage. That's what

we want to see. And you know you there's in the frustration is fine, But at the end of the day, Urban Meyer's job is to make sure his team is ready for Saturday, this first preseason game, and even more importantly, is ready for the opener when they fly to Houston and be ready for that game. And so from what I understand and what I heard is like, listen, you had a couple of people nicked up a little bit

on Saturday. Urban with his coaching staff and probably the medical staff and the strange staff, all got together and said, hey, let's look at this and let's evaluate what what is best for our team. Maybe hindsight, we could have done different, but we're here now, this is where we are, so let's make the right decision for the team. And that decision was made. And he knows his team better than anybody. You hire him as your head coach. You hire him

as the czar, the leader of this football organization. You have to trust them, and he made he made the decision what was best is to take the pads off, give them, give them guys a little bit of a break after a really physical day of the day before and uh, especially going into the first preseason week. So I get it. I'm actually I actually get both sides.

And at the end of the day, J P. Pete, does anyone care a week from now if they come out and everyone sees Trevor Lawrence and they have a couple of good series or they get out there and hit, and does anyone care if they go into Houston after they go in to Houston and get, you know, an opening season win, No one's gonna care. I cared. I cared. You don't want to care? Could I? I nestled in to watch it yesterday on online and they cut it off. There was nothing zero I wanted to watch. I get

to see it, but it didn't. Erman's job is to what get his team ready. I get it. Tony and I have no problem. If he thought they were too physical on Saturday and I felt that he needed to pull back on Sunday. I have I respect that. I respect that decision, But why didn't you flop the days? Now, this is a question that we don't know. If you're gonna be physical, why didn't you be physical on Sunday? Isn't too close to the game on Saturday this week?

You know what I mean? But but okay, And the answer to that question is he should have flopped the days and taken care of the fans. You know what it says though, it shows who's in charge across the board, because if you're a marketing guy on that team you're not happy with what happened yesterday, you can't be I had people griping at me on Twitter. They were mumbling and growing in him and people out of town they say they were gonna are not in tab but they

were like insane, August you or whatever. They said they were gonna come. And then decided no, I'll watch it on online and then you watch you know, Brian Sexton and and Bucky Brooks talk for an hour and then it went away. I wanted to watch football listen. I was. It was we're on the We're on the air for two hours, try talk and do a walk through peat for two hours. I mean, it was just And here's here's my one big problem with it. This is a team trying to grant the fan base again, pull him in,

grant them, pull him in. And I know winning ultimately does that, but I hear the ticket sales are good, really good, but they're not where they're they should be based on everything that's happened in the off season, So why not use it as an opportunity. Not only that, here's the other part of that. The scrimmage was great, correct, Okay, people who can't afford to go two games during the season. That's how you bring new fans in. You know. It's just like, and I'm gonna give an example from just

traveling around the league. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are only allowing season ticket holders to come to their training camp practices. That's bad, That's really bad. You know, five three years ago, they were begging people to come to their practices and come to their games. Now, all of a sudden, you're cutting off people who can't afford to go to games. There's a lot of people who can't afford NFL tickets. They just can't. And the kids want to go see

this stuff. So there's where my pushback is on it yesterday. I just think that you know, you you grow your product, you tell them it's this and then it's not that, or you put it online and you know what, do you scare the showing plays? Yeah, I think that's the thing. Yeah, they don't want you know, it's a new staff with new offensive and defensive coach. I'm just telling you the mindset you have your mindset, I'm giving the mindset that

this is where that's ridiculous. I'm just telling you, Okay, I'm just gonna tell you why I think that's ridiculous Because Joe Cohen is defensive care right. Yes, anyone who watches Baltimore's film over the last several years has a pretty good idea what Joe Colan is going to do. Why not exactly, but guess what, by week one, the Texans will have a really good idea because of three preseason games, and guess what, after a Week one, every other team for the rest of the year will know

what they're doing. Darryl Bevil was he an offensive coordinator last year and for a long time. My guess is they're gonna have an idea what devil Darryl Bevil likes to do. It might not be exact Shottenheimer two, but yeah, okay, all together, all together. And so you have an idea of what they're gonna do. I don't buy. I have never bought. Now you get into the playoffs and you want to close your practices and everything else. I get that.

I agree that. I've never I've never bought in at this time of the year of closing things off because you're afraid of what someone's gonna learn. Like what the other thing to Tony If I'm if I'm David Culley and the coach in the Texans, and I got a cousin that lives in South Carolina, I'm gonna have him drive on down the Jacksonville and sit the stands and watch the practice and tell me what they're doing. Nobody's

gonna know who he is. Well, and if you really wanted to do that, well, another part I do agree with you, and I hate agreeing with you. If you know is and take the Jaguars out of this because they have opened the practices and yesterday was free for everybody, and maybe they didn't get what they expected, but anyone could come. I do have a problem with organizations like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I get that you want to make certain that practices just for season ticket holders. We

did that here, and we did that. I'm good with that because you're seeing telling you should get some privileges. But at some point there should be a number of practices open for the general public so that the kids who can't afford to go, who loved this team and love football. Because I remember as a kid, one of my favorite things was to do every year to drive from Boulder, Colorado, down to Greeley, Colorado to watch the

Denver Broncos. And now then I knew anything that was going on, but I wanted to see my team and walk up next to him and be around him, and guess what, I fell in love with the game of football. I think that is critical. That's how you build fans. It's good. It's good for the NFL. Forget about any one organization. It is good for the NFL, especially in a time when there's so much negative about concussions and blah blah blah and this and that and everything else.

You want to expose people to and get them excited. This is a great game and so especially Ville. Right now, it's more well, I I mean people, I think that's anywhere. I don't care where you are. All right, guys, let's take our first time out. We've got plenty ahead, including our thoughts about their their thoughts about Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, plenty. C. J. Henderson has been in the news the last couple of days. We'll touch on that coming up. Let's see, we got

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At the time, Sean con talked about the Urban Meyer rumors and we were discussing Lawrence versus Fields and the Sugar Bowl. Fast forward to August and here we are on Jaguars Happy Hour on a Monday. Urban Meyer is the head coach. Trevor Lawrence is the quarterback. J P. Shadrick, Tony Boselli, Pete Prisco, glad you're along with us, your social questions in the second hour tonight and up plenty ahead in the program. Here, Trevor Lawrence is now at

quarterback for the Jaguars. Now he hasn't been handed the job, Pete, he's still gotta earn it, Okay, like that, Let training camp go by. Don't anoint him yet, Pete. He's got a fight off Gardner and that third and Luton. Why the hell isn't he getting more reps with the ones? I can't figure that one out. That makes no sense to me zero none. I mean there's no let's cut the charade. Gardner Minshew isn't beating out anybody. I mean, why why would you even play play that game? It

makes no sense. Give him all the reps you can with the ones, get him used to playing with those guys. If I'm not mistaken, he ran with the second team to start to scrimage. Yet back and forth though that they've been doing a lot of a lot of camp. They've been kind of it's an open competition. It's an open competition. Every every position is a competition. That's like saying a seven year old and art classes competing with Picasso. You get what if the kids a genius? You never

know unless you give him a shot. JP to say every camp is open competition. They're not rolling. First of all, I haven't seen maybe I've missed haven't been every practice, but I've watched. I haven't seen Walker Little sharing reps at the ones with Cam Robinson. Correct, I haven't you know seen um, I've seen it at right tackle with

the starters. I think, well maybe not. No, he's been getting reps at right You're right, I haven't you know, I haven't seen you know, I got you know, Shally running with the ones like saying jps al Michaels, Well, that's you see I'm saying. I mean, I'm not saying I'm not seeing Shaquille Griffin share time at corner. I mean he's the corner now, I'm starting corner right now. To think about it, little has had some first team stuff.

I haven't seen it. Okay, you've been My point is I mean, is there any scenario in this world if both guys are healthy, Like, any scenario you can think of that Trevor Lawrence is not walking out there with the first offense when we play in Houston, Texas? Is there like like I I would think about the other day because I actually agree with Pete if it was me and again, Urbans won national titles. I have not. So maybe there's a you go to the Sun Bowl

one year, Yeah that was not national title gun. And maybe there's a method that he like that he is believes in and has had success in this type of situation. I just can't think of any scenario in the for the life of me where Trevor Lawrence is not your starting quarterback. And if that's the case, the dude needs reps, as many reps as he can get with the guys that are gonna be on the field with him. And it's but Tony, this isn't Andy Dalton and Justin Fields.

You have a veteran who's capable, and you have a kid who's trying to take the job. This is the number one overall pick and a guy who proved last year he can't play who beat debates H Pete, I'm not I mean only I don't they agree with us? I will say this my uh, I don't know. I'm sure they agreed, but they mean there's just they don't well, Pete saying is different though, JP, I'm sure true, Sir, Sir um to Urban Urban took the job one of

the major reasons number one over the quick. The point is, if that's the case, then why aren't you getting him as many rips are the ones as possible question? That's that's my only contention. I know it doesn't matter the rest of it is just like dumb talk radio stuff that who cares. The real question is is if that's the case and he is your starter, then give him as many reps as possible with the starters. That's my

only point. It makes me those you're going to be your guys during the season, They're not gonna be Gardner Minshew's guys. There is guys now. You can give Minshew a few reps with the ones just in case something happens the large and he's glory with them, But you don't give him lit. You don't split them in and out. That's just stupidity. I don't I don't get it. I just don't understand. And maybe Urban knows something that I don't know, which is more football than I do in

my life, will ever know in my lifetime. But this is a bad decision. And you know there's over a month to the regular season, though every rep counts. And I promise you if you asked if any of those coaches do you believe reps matter? Do you mean do you think reps in August matter for September? And I guarantee you the answer is yes. And so I just don't understand it. I mean, but it does make me laugh, Pete, because I remember when I got drafted by the Jacks,

and I don't even remember this. During O T A S I ran with the threes because quote unquote, this is no lie wanted to make sure. I urge, that's what they're that's what they're saying. When you went to training camp, where were you? I was with the starters. You gotta own it, you gotta earn it. And here's the thing Tony knows this. As an offensive lineman, you gotta work together as you gotta get the reps. And as a quarterback, you need to get the reps with

those guys in front of you. Not just the receivers. I don't I just the shrain's over end it, get it over with well, and it goes to the point. And because here I mean again, not nothing to gains Gardner minshew. He's he's worked extremely hard this offseason. He's had a good camp and he is clearly the best backup is not in my opinion watching um and so congratulations kudos to him for, you know, putting the time in.

But anyone who watches the two of them on the field, it's not I mean, Trevor Lawrence is just it's a different dude. The guy has superior talent that no matter how hard Gardners means you ever work. I mean, there's certain things that Trevor Lawrence can just do with the football that Gardner Ritsch you can't do. He'll pull him out about three or four times five times of practice Trevor will make a throw. You're like, Okay, that's different.

And he can teach it. And you watch the little things, his footwork, his timing, his accuracy, I mean he is. His athletic ability. The other thing that I've been impressed with. How many times during training camp have you seen something where um, there's a mechanical issue in the huddle at the line of scrimmage, him looking confused, him not being in charge. It doesn't happen now. The next the next test is when the live rush comes against the Browns.

How does he do in the pocket? Everything looks so far that I can't get hit. He is very comfortable. He moves around. In college, he was very comfortable. I mean, the guy is look special. Now he's gonna go do it and there will be a learning curve, and yes he'll have bad games, and yes he will throw it to the wrong colored jersey because that's what young quarterbacks do. But for everything I've seen Pete Early, he's special. Oh man, he's specials for the next decade. Don't worry about the

quarterback position. Just do not worry about it. And by the way, kudos to the Garden mitshow to fight through and become the best backup quarterback on the team because I didn't I didn't think. I didn't know if he'd be on the roster. We talked about that last year. And here's the other thing. If he is the backup quarterback, it wasted a lot of money on C. J. Beetham. Yeah, get a lot of guaranteed money in that deal. Let's

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and expect more from him. Like I said last week when I was share, I expect greatness from Josh and we're gonna keep pushing calm on until we get it out of it. But he's got to get better. He's trying to do everything we're asking. We just gotta find two in some of his technique. Keep it simple form, get to a spot fast, because you do have God give an ability. Get to a spot fast. And if you tackle on talking to his past, your tacle takes it and takes it away. Get to your counter. That's it.

Joe Collen, defensive coordinator. Love hearing that voice back in the Jaguars coaching staff and welcome back to Jaguar's Happy Hour. J P. Shadrick, Tony Boselli, Pete Prisco, Glad you're along with us today. He was discussing Caleb and Chase on That was on Friday after practice, kind of you know, hey, challenging him a good bit there with that sound bite, and then Saturday, Tony Jason came out. I think had

his best practice of camp so far. Sack was all over the ball pass defense at the line of scrimmage. I don't know if he heard the sound bite, but it was good to see him really step up and step out. Yeah. I mean, I think the system that Joe's putting in will help feature Cabalon Chason's ability. Calebon Caleb on what I say, Valan, it's calev Caleb Caleb Exe. Um. Uh, it's a better it's a better um system because it'll

put him in space more. I think he got swallowed up last year and he didn't do a great job with the transition from college to having his hand in the ground every play as a defensive end for the Jaguars.

And I think in the three four he's in space, he can move around a little bit, get matched up with back sometimes, get matched up with a tight end every once in a while, and rushed from a space position against the tackle is gonna help him out quite a bit because he is an athlete has God given ability. As as Joe Colin had had mentioned, Um what I I didn't see Saturday's practice. I wasn't here. Um what

I've seen in practice? What I've seen on tape. Um, he is better, but still he gets overwhelmed a little bit. Um he does. You know, he's a guy. He has to use that speed and get get the get the tackles hand awf him. If he gets engaged. He's just not a big enough man to overcome it. So I think what Joe said, his act right, it's a work in progress, and uh, he's got to get better. They need production at him this year. They need production at

Josh Allen as well. Um, you know watching him in camp. Nothing, it's not like there's been a bunch of big flashes I haven't seen at least um not early Saturday was really the one for him. I'm talking about yea, yeah, he looks in great shape. Oh, he looks in great shape. Did how did I did't see Saturday but on Saturday? And I mean nothing really nothing that you say, nothing out of the ordinary. But he's really good. So that's great.

How many sacks for Well this year, because that's his name from now on, How many sacks for cabal on this year? Tony? Um No, I'd say six or seven. So if they can get double digits out of Alan, which they should. If you're picked where you're picked, you should get that. That guy should get double digits five for five or six for Cabalan. Um, it's Caleban, Calebon, I know what it is, Calevan? You alright? Five or six for Calevan? How many? Where else did they get? Gets?

You gotta get? They to have a good pass, right, So are you gonna get interior? Roy Robertson Harris, Harris, I think we'll give some production to you. How many three or four? I think he has five or six? I think Smoots another guy who's gonna I think you'll see, um, you know, six to eight. I think John six plus to four or five one six, stay twenty eight miles Jack will get a couple of Blitzer baby five or six, right,

And don't forget about god Ward. He's another guy who's you know, he's a you know, middle you know, middle single digit guy. What I'm trying to point out is to get the thirty five, Chason has to be better and what you think he's gonna get, and Alan has to be better than what I think he's gonna get. What did you say you think all get ten? Yeah? Hey, why did we're looking at smooth on the acount. Why

do you change his number? Wasn't ninety four before he was and ninety one was open and when in Gockway was no longer around, then he decided to finally change it. Was it? Okay? That was curious? Um? Yeah, so um switching gears. Yeah. By the way, we're sticking on defense here and C. J. Henderson has been in the news this week. Trade rumors are out there, some reports have been out even this afternoon. The Times picking you to New Orleans said that the Saints are looking at the

corners and including C. J. Henderson. That has been a hot topic today Tony, Well, yeah, I mean if you look at from the beginning, you know, if C. J. Henderson be in the first round pick last year, he you know, came out. There was some comments during camp and you know, I mean pre camping sorry draft day. If I go back to is like about his interest to being a Jaguar. That quickly went away, quickly put that to bed. No big deal came out of camp.

You know, maybe some Nixon you know, injuries during camp. But then Opening day last year was like a superstar great game, had an interception off Rivers. Yeah, I mean just looked fabulous and and then was up and down to like a lot of rookies. But then the injuries started coming and then you just started hearing stuff just like and it was just and the next thing you know, he's in I are Um, he had a shoulder issue that a lots of different stuff, and so you started

instantly worrying about the availability. Um. And then this offseason, you know, you didn't hear a lot about it, but you heard, you know, is there injuries? And then he starts off camp, you know, on the COVID list, and then he finally shows up and then he's one practice in then he's gone again. And so there's just all

these different things swirling. And immediately you hear about these trade rumors and so you know, not where you want to be with the guy you picked in the top ten to come to all of your corner issue and um, but this is where we are and this is we'll see where it goes. I mean, the rumors are out there. You hear about him. Um, You'll tell you what I

was just in New Orleans. They're looking for a corner and you know there's you know, there's people regardless of what has happened here and all the different rumors and nonsense and whatever whatever is sure or not, who knows. Um, you just know that the rumors are about trade. You know, he's been at one practice and it's been a little bit. You know he's not been available, but you but there's a he was a he was a top corner prospect just a year ago. And you know that a bunch

of other teams had them high on their board. So, um, now will they get the value that a top as a top warner. No, but they'll get something. They'll be a team out there interested because they will feel like and they will remember the evaluation they did of him as a Gator and say, hey, whatever happened at Jacksonville happened, we can fix it. We can get the most out of him. Let's go take a chance. And he's got

a relatively cheap contract. That's right. If you're like you're the Saint, You've got a bunch of money in Marshawn Lattimore, who might get suspended by the way, and your other corners draft for what for he got arrested for he had a gun charge, a legal firearm or whatever. So there's a chance he gets suspended and then you have the kids you drafted out of Stanford a debot and you have Patrick Robinson and guys like that. I mean,

these guys are add twenty years old. They need a quarner, and I was told they're going to get a corner. Henderson would make a lot of sense to the Saints. It's a cheap court. But again, when you start talking about play yours, why isn't he on? The availability is the only ability that truly matters, and he hasn't been available, and that's the big concern. It's availability issue. Um, And you can't control COVID. That's that's no, you can't cod

that's how. That's how the that's how the young man's The question is does he love it well? I mean, that's the question. I mean, and that's always a question question. When he came out of college in Florida, the scouts all when you talk to the scouts, the personnel people, they asked that same question, does he love it? Will he will? Will you get to the NFL game and love it? It's something that you have to I mean, it's one of the evaluations. It's part of the evaluation process.

Anytime you pick a guy you know, there's a lot of talented guys. I mean, and set aside C. J. Henderson for a second, there's a ton of talented guys in college that are just great because they're great athletes, but they don't truly love ball. And you better love football if you're gonna, you know, if you're gonna have long term success, and and and you want a guy, you want a locker room full of guys who love ball. They just love football. It's a hard game and if

you don't love it, it's really really hard. But what do you think they get back for Like the Saints make it, call him up and say, hey, we'd love to have that was our starting corner. What do you get back for him? I heard they have di scrambled wide receiver right hearing stories about there. You don't want him or either Yeah, yeah, you're not getting Michael Thomas. I don't think you don't want to be here anyways. Yeah, I mean, because there's a lot of noise around him.

Pat to your point, Oh my gosh, you don't want him around there. That's not what this young team needs. That's not what that young quarterback needs. They don't know, you don't want you don't want that, and so, um, so what do you get back third or fourth? Well, I'll tell you what. I'd be apprehensive to trade him for a three or four totally was gone with him when it's not fixed bolt, which I don't think that's the case. I wouldn't trade him for anything less than two.

Are you thinking? I mean, Pete, but you, I mean, you know this as well as I do. If it just depends how much smoke is out there, you know, and we don't hear everything I mean, and half the stuff you hear is well, then yeah, then I I would agree with you, But you have to I think if you're building something here, you have to make the decision. And again I'll go back to you want a bunch of guys out locker room that love football, And I don't know CJ. Henderson's I'm not gonna make an evaluation.

I don't know you heard the Pete's point. You heard stuff coming out of college last year. It's a long time ago. But Urban and the coaching staff they've been around him now and Trent Balky. Part of the evaluation is Okay, number one, what do you want to get for him? And if it's A two and you can't get it too well, then if you keep them is is he gonna be available? Are we gonna get production out of him? And does he want does he love it?

I don't know that. I can't of those questions. See, and I don't think this is I don't think this is a case where Jalen didn't want to be in Jacksonville. I don't think that's the case at all. That that's not the issue. It's not this staff or this regime or anything like that. That's at least that's what I So it's just a matter of get him on the field. And if I'm urban Meyer and Gang, I'd like to

have him on my team. But if somebody, if they clearly it's been leaked out there that he's available, and teams know that, how do you amend that fence? Now? If you do, you know, if that gets out, that's out and just by just you know, um, it's pretty obvious that if you're top ten pick after just one year and a partial year because he was injured, is all of a sudden available after one practicing for one

day with you? Raises questions We've got plenty of show ahead, another hour coming up at five o'clock of Jaguars Happy Hour. By the way, Michael Thomas, remember what to Ohio State. I know, I know, I know, I get that. I'm just saying, bring up silly things like that. Let's come back in a moment. We'll hear from Urban Meyer. We'll here from Urban about the passing of the legendary college coach at Florida State, Bobby Bouton. It's Jaguars Happy Hour

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And a dear friend and one of the greatest people I've ever met in my life, So our person that when a life, he lived years of great life. All young coaches grew up watching UH coach Bowden to tell ask you a coach for your got to swamp and that changed college football, Yes it did. That's Rban Meyer and Jaguars head coach former Florida head coach discussing the passing of legendary Florida State head coach Bobby Bowden. Welcome back at Jaguars Happy Hour, J P. Shadrick, Tony Boselli,

Pete Briscoe. Another hour starting in just a few minutes. At the top of the hour, we'll get back to the Trevor Lawrence talk and the biggest news of the week. C. J. Henderson has been in the news. We'll get your social questions coming up in the second hour. Pete, what are your memories of Bobby Bowden? Did you ever deal with him? Much in the old days. Yes I did not, I mean, not a ton, but always gracious, always accommodating. And I'm gonna tell a story. We were when I was at

the Times Union, we investigated their program. We did a thorough investigation of cheating allegations, and I was a part of that, and I we actually got the story, and I had to do the confrontational interview with Bobby. The story never ran by the way for whatever reason, but it was. I did the confrontational interview with Bobby, and I figured most coaches would scream and yell at you, not him. He was. He was classy, very easy to deal with, and I always respected him because of that.

And and plus I know a lot of guys who played for him and when they played for him, like Leroy Butler. You know Leroy Butler and Edgar Bennett, guys I've known for a long time. They just love the guy. So I always had, you know, this idea that he was a different kind of coach, maybe more so, a little more folksy, a little more down home, and really had a great relationship with his players. How difficult was that kind stational interview, The idea of having to go

confront him. Well, for some it was it was actually done on the phone, but but for some coaches, no matter where it's done, it would have been bad. And he wasn't that way. I mean, you know, we had a story. It was allegations of the program cheating, and it never ran. But it was a good story. It was well researched and for whatever reason something happened it didn't run. But um, it could have been ugly and it wasn't. And I respected him for that. I mean,

and the times I went over there. I mean one time we were driving through This isn't nothing to do with him, but we were driving through the parking lot, looking right down license plate numbers and the player parking lot and they chased us away. And then that's the kind of investigation it was. And and he, you know, could have been angry about it. He was He was always he was always easy going as a coach and and even with the media. And I think that's why

the media liked him so much. But you, Tony, have you ever interact with fame stuff college? And uh, maybe not at all. I'm trying to think of covering games. Did some college games Florida State when he was there, did his last game at the Gator Bowl. Um. But have a lot of friends who played for him and new guys who played for him, and and everything you hear, UM, great coach, better person. And if you just look at the life he's lived, I think Urban said the best.

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a disaster scratch. Basically. The best way he did it was he went and played other people. Remember they used to go play and get the side games. They go grass that they cut after they beat upset teams on the road. They'd cut out the grass and bring it home. They still have it, by the way, Nothing but respect for what he did at Florida's day. Putting ahead on the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour Trevor Lawrence, C. J. Henderson. The Jaguars continue with training camp this week. Preseason Week

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Happy Hour the second hour of the program. J P. Shadrick Pete Frisco, CBS Sports Senior writer and pride of the Jaguars left tackle Tony Boselli. Glad you're along with us, says the Jaguars continued training camp. Players off today, back on the practice field Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and then they'll host the Cleveland Browns in preseason Week one, Saturday night, seven o'clock at t I A A. Bank Field. I

can't believe it's here already. This is our first Monday Happy Hour program since January four, we're back and we'll be here pretty much every Monday until the day after the Super Bowl, Pete. If the Jaguars go that far, how about it? And uh, if Tony goes to England and can't do the show, that'll be our highest rated

show that Monday, like it always is the tradition. Unlike an is there any word on the ticket sales are beginning in phases in the UK, and I think they're gonna sell until otherwise, you know, if if I don't know, if there's a drop dead date where they have to say, hey, it's not gonna happen, or it is gonna happen. But ticket sales are beginning in phases in the UK for

those games. So that means that we will have our Tony less show that Monday after the game, the highest rate every year since we've been doing this show, it's the highest rated show going through the roof. Yeah, we'll see about that. The numbers don't lie. Oh, the people say they love it, Pete. I mean I get a lot of people who come to me and say that show is magic radio. I mean, it's incredible to listen to. Let's test it. You guysn't do the last hour by yourself.

He's always looking for a starting with a bang, Pete, you count me out, pete seconds next period j P. Tony leaves Tony get ready, walk out, walk out, walk out. You're gonna have to carry it more and make sure your water get the water. I love it. I did, miss um. I al was enjoyed that lending game. I mean I know very few people probably did. I mean I don't know who did or did not. It was always fun. Did you enjoy it over there? Yeah? I personally Jeff, I mean, I mean not Joe. How do

you feel about it? I mean, it's a lot of work for you, technical guy, I was gonna say, I mean it is, you know, for guys like Tony Pete. For guys like Tony, he gets to do all the big fancy parties and all these things. Yeah. Trip. For guys like me work trip. Hey, don't hate the player, hate the game? JP. You go every year, don't know you don't go? I have been every year. Yes, I've been very Fortunately what you have to come home early and he gets to stay, which is right. When you

come back, you do the show. Tony has like other duties. I guess, so I come back and I'm on the air Monday here in this student. You know, after flying back with the team, I have sponsorship responsibilities that might not be the case, might not be the case. Too early to tell. Yeah, I mean i've even heard you know what the plan is. But ye keep the tradition going. Love it. The Jaguars are in the stadium Sunday. They're off today. As we said, back on the practice field.

The rest of the way, no more open practices to fans. Sunday was the last chance to see the Jacks for free in this offseason program. C J. Henderson has been in the news today. Well, the trade rumors have been out there, at least in this afternoon. The New Orleans Times picking a newspaper reporting that the Saints are looking for a corner, including looking at c J. Henderson. There are those trade rumors. That's not the only one that's been out there today, Tony, but that's been the big

topic of discussion. And Pete, you think we talked about this in the first hour. You think they they should try to get a second round or you think they can get a second rounder for CJ. Uh Yeah, maybe, I mean he is was the ninth overall picked people had first or high first round raids on them, So yeah, I think there's a possibility. No, I listen, from a talent standpoint, there's no doubt about it. We saw firsthand

that dude can play football when he's on the first round. No, I know that, But my point is he can play. The question is you know availability, which we addressed, and if I was opposing team, my first question is, Okay, why are you trading him after one year? Right? I mean, wouldn't you That's a legitimate question. Yeah. By the way, if it's even true, the Jaguars have not confirmed they're

trading them. There's nothing out there. It's a report, you know on several outlets are saying that they're that they're it's open for business as far as having conversations about trading for CJ. Henderson, But to be clear, the Jaguars have not confirmed that that is the case. Again, I go back to the Saints. For the Saints a cheap corner and that's what he is right now. Makes a

lot of sense for a cornerback needy team. For example, if they were in the market, the trade for Xavian Howard before he got his deal restructured, that would have been to twenty million dollar corners. You can't do that, but you can do it with c J. Henderson because this deal is finals financially, uh good for the team. So I think it's possible that the Saints could make that deal if they wanted. So the Jaguars spent a lot of actual cash and then draft equity at the

cornerback position this offseason. Shatt Griffin came over in free agency, big deal of course, from the Seahawks, and then in the draft Tyson Campbell second round draft pick. If for some reason c J. Henderson is no longer on this roster, are the Jags okay at cornerback? Do they feel like they have to go get somebody else at some point that can actually go play and play right away? Um,

let's go through it. I mean Sidney Jones, you know again, Nick dupple throughout his career, but when he was healthy last year, he looked he played good corner outside corner, was a good player. Trey Herndon more of a nickel or a backup outside guy I think was We're I mean, but he started outside and was a productive guy. But yeah, that's why I said he moved to Nickel. Um, I've been super impressed what I've seen from Tyson Campbell. He seems to be around the ball, good cover, guy, has length,

he was good yesterday. Good size. Um. And so you know you drafted him the top of the second round for a reason. It's almost like another first rounder. Um. So I mean I think you could piece it together. Yeah, you can piece it together, but it hurts because you're counting on you got. You draft the guy in the top ten because you think he's a starter. Well, how

do you play it? If Henderson's there? Henderson, Griffin and Campbell's camp So if if he's not there, then it becomes what Griffin, Jones and Campbell's and Nickel or Griff and Campbell outside and heard, Yeah, some combination of the such. Where do you think Campbell is more comfortable playing? I think he's an outside corner. Um. Yeah, that's I don't know, Pete.

I have not to be honestly, It's not like I've watched every play to see where he's been lining up, and I've not talked to I haven't heard from any of the coaches. I don't think he looks like an outside corner. Well, that's because of his length, right, You're right, and the little corner in the slot usually has to turn and and I don't know, he's more of a long glider. I don't. I don't. I think he could play the nickel, but I think he's more of an

outside guy. Another position of interest, of course, in this training camp so far has been the offensive tackles Cam Robinson. He's in the franchise tag year thirteen point seven million dollars guaranteed this season, Juwan Taylor on the right side, trying to bounce back from a penalty laden season let's say a year ago, and then the Jaguars in the second round. Later in the second round, after the Campbell pick went got Walker Little from Stanford, and he has

not played since early in the nineteen season. He injured his knee in the opening game against Northwestern that year and missed the entire season, came back, opted out last year, did not play last season, so he has not played football since Week one of twenty nineteen. He told me the other week that he has fired up to be back in an actual football game at some point very soon. There have been some moments, at least in one on

ones when the pads went on. That you can see his size and his his ability to to play and do things the right way. Tony, what have you seen on tape from him? What have you seen out of little the times you've seen him in person? Um, He's

a big athletic man. I mean, he's just a big person. UM. And he has natural ability, natural strength, UM to be a really good player both you know, run game, pass game obviously you know, you know some things he can clean up UM in the past game and and you know footwork, you know, in coordination with you know uh in uh working with his hand placement and everything else. But just overall, UM, you see why he was you know, before the injury and before the opt that was you know,

thought about it as a first round traft pick. And and my guess is if he would have played last year, he would have been a first round traft pick. This year. I mean, he's he is a very high ceiling and I think he'll push. I think I think he'll push both the tackles. Does he play this year? I think

he does? Which side? When you do this all the time, when I don't know, well, I mean I don't know Here's the thing I've said all year, said the offseason, saying at camp, I feel really good about the interior too. I think the the UM two out the two tackles, Joan Taylor and Cam Robinson have a ton of talent, like they have upside. They're big, physical men. They are inconsistent and you have to be more consistent if you want to be effective as an offense. You need consistency.

Have those guys where they can hold up when it matters. And I just I worry about the footwork I worry about, you know, especially in the past game. I worry about UM holding up on a good outside rushers where we saw them struggle last year at times and in early and this is super early, so you don't want to jump to conclusions after a little bit over a week

of camp. You still see some of the tendencies. Talk about Cam Robinson where he kind of opens up the gate gets you know, perpendicular to the line of scrimmage really early shortened in that corner for an outside rusher, and that's something has plagued them for most of his career. And I think John Taylor is again another guy I think he needs to play bigger. I don't think Jowan Taylor plays his big um as he as I think

he should. It's funny Tony when you mentioned that, because I think the same thing when you leon seriously, was not a big man, but he played big. He played big. This he just got doesn't play big. And judging from what people are saying up there, and I only saw one practice, he's had a good can Jowan Taylor. But I'm with you, JP, You're being kind. Penalties. That wasn't the only part of the problems of his game last year. He wasn't very good. He regrets, he regrets Cam Robinson

didn't get better. That's why they drafted Walking them and so I think I think early in the season Walker Little will be the left tackle. Tony does too, he just doesn't want to say so. You think you know they they oh came Rarobs in million dollars no matter what, which is why he's the starter right now. But you think Walker a little wins the job before too long. If let's put this way, if Cam Robinson plays like he did last season, yes, I agree, a little Walker

Little will be in there by October. I agree with that. Then what do you do with Cam Robinson. After the year, you get rid of them's your backup and just eat the the backup. And first of all, I don't care what you're paying the guy. If the guy behind is better, you're not gonna play it right. You don't move into a different spot. We're not going to overtake any don't There's all that talk of trying to my guard. He

hasn't done any guard work that I know. Okay, is he gonna be better than a j Can or or Noral? Obviously they don't think so if he's not working or cross training there. Right, j Can had good years last year, and you got Shotley behind them and BArch and those guys project you gotta then you got then you have expensive backup. I mean, you deal with it. But but you didn't when you pay ate him. You didn't know

you were getting a tackle like that to be there. Um. So, if you're in that scenario when you drafted, if you didn't know Walker Little was gonna be there when you signed camera, when you put that tag on Cam Robinson, your backup was Will Richardson, correct, that's right. So you protected yourself and now you protect yourself and you still gotta tackle, So the best guy plays. If it's a walker little, I don't care what Cam Robinson is making.

He's gonna be an expensive backup for a year. You paid him right, you didn't give a long term deal. But I would agree with me and listen, I'm rooting for Cam because I like Cam a lot. But the bottom line, you have to be consistent. I mean, you can have all the potential in the world, you can have all the ability and be big, and you have to be athletic. If you don't get it done, don't block people. Yeah, especially with let's standing in the backfield.

I don't care who's in the backfield. Your jobs will protect the quarterback. Now. It might be in the spotlight more now, but it does it doesn't change. Nothing changes, doesn't matter if those two regrettless, I mean Taylor really regret which But you know, George Warhofks got a challenge this year. You didn't do it last year. He's gotta get it into play better. So I'm looking forward to watching them during the preseason games and see if because

to me, it's all. I mean, the offensive line so much is about technique, like if you, if you, if you have the right technique, you give yourself a chance to be in the right position and give you yourself a much better chance of winning, or at least technical problem, Tony, you want just point out Pam Robinson's technical problem, But

what do you want, Taylors. I mean, he's a very vertical, uh center, And if you're not, if you're vertical meaning going getting depth and really you know, kicking the lot straight back on the line. And if you're gonna do that, you better play big and you better be physical at the point of attack to create the separation because you know, if you don't that that Russia, You're given that rusher a lot of room instead of creating some width with

your kick. Now, both are viable techniques. I mean, guys do both. But if you're gonna be vertical like that, you better be you better be stout because An and he just I mean at times I don't think he plays as big and he's a powerful man. He's a big man I personally would try to get I try to create more with um. I'm not a coach and I'm not saying that that's not a viable technique to teach. If that's what Jowan's being taught, but I just think, you know, at times he just gets pushed back and

gets too soft in the pocket. I don't know. The offensive line mastermind told me that the Jaguars had two really good tackles. When you argue with me on Twitter, who's that? You know? You know that guy that has that offensive line Mastermind group out there? They all go, they descend on Texas and they have a school for the offensive lineman. Who that? Yeah, well he got on me. He got on me because I ranked certain guys and when I did my top one hundred and he said,

I didn't know what I was doing. And then he came back and tried to say the Jaguars had two good tackles last year, and I went, you might want to clean your eyes out a little bit. Who is this guy? Uh is d many Weather is his name. He used to work for La Charles Bentley kind of spun off and stole his stick. And then he's got this whole school down in Texas. Every oven, almost all

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Let's start with Jaguar's pass game coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, asked earlier last week rather about the progress of quarterback Trevor Lawrence in this offense. He's doing really good. Um, the last day or two, it's been goods and there's been bad Uh. Quick with questions, Um, it's weird. You know, he's a guy. He's gonna tex sh at nine forty five at night, ten o'clock at night with questions. Hey. On the script it says this is that this, Hey what are you thinking on that? So you know he's

working at it all the time. Uh, and he's progressing nicely. You know, that's what you do with a young quarterback. You know there's gonna be interceptions. He's throwing those. That's gonna happen now, if he keeps repeating those mistakes, and that's when you know that he's not listening. He's not making the corrections, but he's not repeating those same mistakes. So that's when you get excited. Brian shut Brian Schottenheimer. There the passing game coordinator today is keeping it real topic.

You're an advisor to head coach Urban Meyer. Guys, Okay, how long should Trevor? How else do we get paid to me? Then? I don't know, but we're right. You're just another number in that side of the whole way much less add to the list. How long should Trevor Lawrence play in preseason weeks one, two, and three? Tony, go ahead, I'd play him one quarter in preseason game one, all with the ones. Preseason game two, I'm playing him two quarters plus one series coming out of the half.

In preseason game number three, he is sitting on the bench next to me. Pete boy, I'll tell you what, um, Remember, Tony, there's two weeks before the last from the last preseason game until the start of the regular season. It's different this year, and so do you want him not playing at all for three weeks? So I might go a quarter in the first game, quarter and a half in the second game, and maybe one series in the last game,

just to get his feel for it. Again, Pete, I get what you're saying, but I don't want to play any of my offensive line in that third preseason game, and I'm not putting them behind backups, not a one series even. I mean, you're I'm not just talking about the I'm not talking about just him, I'm talking about the team. That means you go three weeks without playing the way for the regular months last year, without playing before the first first game. Yeah, play games. You're still

going to practice? Yeah, I don't know. I might. I might consider playing him one series if you played the starters, but if not, then I wouldn't play him. I'm with Tony, come let it come out of the half in the second game and then get him out of there. That's interesting, right, I mean because and you know it's also the first time Urbans had to do this, right, he's got That's why he has the NFL staff around him to help

him wherever. He's been around forever. But it's a different it's a different year though, there's it's a new thing. There's not four preseason games cuts are on Tuesday. Um, so you know it's an entirely different thing this year,

So how do you handle it? And by the way, they're back down to three different cuts this year also, they go down to five Tuesday after the first preseason game, and every Tuesday after that, it's like five week after that last but the last two last one, you'd have a week and a half, so you could you're gonna cut your roster and you're gonna have a week and a half you can get guys in and they can

get acclimated quicker. Remember it used to happen you'd have to get him acclimated right away because you're playing the game the next week. And the Jaguars Pete has the number one waiver claim for the first three weeks of the season, so they'll have first option. They don't want to have ever again with Drever Lard's here either, nor will they. So yeah, changes, So, Tony, does that change your mind at all about the last one? No, because I don't want to play my starters one series. What's

the what's the benefit of one series? It's all downside. You're probably right, another prep week. You know you're gonna play guess what. I prep them all week, they go out for pregame warm up, they get their sweat on, and guess what get out playing guys. I want to evaluate that are down the line and see what I got. But Tony, what about Okay? So why play so much in the second game? Because I up my young quarterback to go through like the mechanics and the work and

everything else. So you're gonna play, You're gonna play the starters. Yeah, I'm playing the starters. I'm playing. I'm playing. As much as I hated it as a player, I think there's a benefit playing a half, going in a halftime, coming out and getting a series. I don't know. I don't even know if you're not gonna do I don't know if I would even do that. I play in the quarter and get them out of there, and then I just think. I mean, he said, how hard is it

get adjusted the halftime? Well, I'm just saying, it's just your body used to the mechanics. I'll say this, we go what go look at? How much? Not? Last year? The year before, after the Chiefs went to the a f C Championship, I we went to the Super Bowl. No. A FC championship game and loss to the Patriots. Go, look how much that following preseason you saw they played. They're starters in preparation for the season. Because this is a super Bowl team that we're talking about a year ago. Yeah,

I mean two years two years ago. The one of the super about this team. This is a bunch of young kids. I know that, but they I'm saying, they know. My point is they played a bunch of football. Patrick Mahomes was playing the first preseason game, played the second preseason game. This is when they had four preseason games, even played a little the third, Like did you try to get reps? You gotta get practice? Okay, you gotta get reps. And why not play a series in the

let and the third preseason game? Yes, okay. The only reason I'm saying not to because I know there's no chance they are so I'm trying to be right. What would you do? Yeah, Coach Boselli, I go playing a quarter in the final preseason game. Wow, well you just change your mind then, But I'm giving just giving both sides of the story. He's gonna send him five minutes ago, Freddie, Freddie, flip Bob, what are you doing? What's that. I mean, I could be talked out of the third preseason. You

just flip lock. My point is can be talked out of it, Pete. I am steadfast on the quarter two quarters in a series in the third and then I need to evaluate. How about this, I want to evaluate where my team is going to the third piece. Does it matter? I mean, it depends on how they play in the second game. If they don't play well, okay, you need to go out and play a game played great, then you're not playing. Yes, it matters. Okay, let's see how sharp they are. That's why you said about You

said reps. You want reps, you get more reps if you're playing the third preseason well, if you stink you need more reps, yes, well what if you play well, you just said you want more. You want reps, period. That's what you said. You said as a coach, you would play them, Pete. There is a fine line when there becomes the reps verse. The risk have to be wait, and that's true. I agree, So I probably would play them your first your first plan plus my series in

the last game. I play one series in the last game, not three. It depends on what they do in the second preseason game. That determines what I do, much like Urban this past weekend determined Sunday after when he saw happen Saturday, because he saw the how his team practice, how physical they were, and they were nick so he made a informed decision not to put the pads on Sunday. I went with Urban. I evaluate my team. I'm gonna do it's best for my team. Pete. So three offensive

linement around in the final preseason game. Of course you don't play them everybody's healthy. But if everybody's health, you play. That's not true. If they come out and they're smoking it in the second preseason game and they're tight, we have a good week of practice and saying boys hang outline rapid question. If this was a normal preseason with like it used to be, with four preseason games, how would you play him? I'd go, um, one series, I

mean two series. The first preseason game a quarter in a half kind of like somewhere a quarter and a little bit. Second preseason game, full half series in the third preseason game. Nothing in the fourth preseason game. So so two weeks before the regular season started, you would play him more than a half. Now you're two weeks out and you're only gonna you're not gonna play him. He fell right into that one, and I probably, and really what I probably? I might not play him at

all in the first preseason game. I saw that one coming a mile and a half half. That game's in Jacksonville. No, I'm talking the old system, the four preseason game. But this guy, this time, you have to play him. Yeah, you play I would think I'm playing him. Yeah, let's see if we could go to break JP and Tony will change Urban. If you're listening, if you need any help, we can get it done on this show. Tony can't give it to you. I'm like Urban, Listen, I gotta

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It's Jaguars Happy Hour on a Monday. Glad you're long with us, the first Monday show of the one campaign. J P. Shadrick, Tony Vasselli, Pete Frisco, your social questions coming up in moments. Tony Vasselli, you have a comment. To be clear, there was no flip flopping, Pete, I said from the beginning, two series or a quarter in the first preseason game, a half in one series in the second preseason game, nothing in the third preason's preseason game.

I then did make an amendment of a possibility if the team did not play well and I needed more reps, that I'd be open to some time in the third preseason game. But you always have to weigh reps versus risk, and if you have a good camp, good first preseason game, good second preseason game, have a good week of practice. You do not need that third preseason game. I'm standing by that. That's my position, and that's what I said. It got muddled up because Pete likes the twist words

and take things out of context. He's a typical reporter that misquotes you and then prints it in the paper and says, this is a story. Typical. Tony allowed two sacks today. But yeah, go ahead, you want to You wanna take a side on that? Hey, can you fix your your butt so they don't look like you're like looks like you're an alien? Hey, JP, you want to take it, take pick a side? Who is right? So we're keeping score on keeping it real? I think starting now, so I think Pete one, No, he did not, he

copied me, said I do, Tony did no use. Then when I came back and I asked you, how would you handle it if it was a regular pond it both ways. I'm getting all kinds of tweets and saying Tony was clearly um clearer and conside wasn't use. Tell your family to make you look good? Concise is concise?

Is not in Tony's dictionary. That doesn't work, That's not how it works for when I won the argument in large part because when I came back and asked him how he would play it if it was a four week preseason like the old days, he said he would have played him in the third week. And that was the case was closed. There bang the gabble, it's over, case dismissed. Pete wins. Get the case of Robert Mundabi. And that's for a case on the winner. Losers get, winners get a game. I love it, and it pays

to win, man. I mean, so all year you'll get you get a bottle. By the end of the year, you'll have a case. Let's get to social media questions. We put out the bat signal earlier today and here's the best we've come up with today at Stue Winners, guys were happy year back. I'm instating how much of a difference of sports performance model Meyer has run into the team has made. As I would have thought, by now, most of not all clubs will be doing similar things

in this area. Pete. They've added so many facilities here in the options and cryo tank, hot cold tubs, all these things that they didn't have before, and Urban has made an emphasis It's not the only place in the league that does this, though, is it. No. I was in Miamti practice facility the other day. You should see the thing. It's incredible. They just built it. It's right outside the stadium. It's phenomenal and and that's the next step for Jacksonville. He kudos to Urban for bringing all

that stuff in there. You have to have it. They just don't have the room for it. They need a facility, and I think it's gonna get done. It needs to get done. I will be real melancholy when they do build the practice facility, in large part because that means the days of the reporters sitting on the bench outside waiting for guys to come out to get the real story will be over. So the interesting thing about the comment about the sports performance, I agree with Pete. I

love it. As a player, do everything you can, I mean as it's I mean for the players as a staff, do everything you can to make sure they're ready to perform at the highest level, and it gives them more value for themselves as well. I think it's great. I love it. I would love in I mean paid the close enough attention. It would be interesting to do at the end of this camp does and it's such a

small sample size. You perhaps to do it over years by having these extra facilities and these extra treatments and you know, cryoh and massage and hot, cold, warm, whatever tubs, I mean all the different stuff, which again all four I love it. As a player, I would have been all about it. Is I wonder what the difference is. Is there a direct correlation to less injuries, especially soft tissue injuries? I think that. I mean, you can't the guy blowing his knee out getting rolled up in a

pile in that. I mean, there's no bearing but soft tissue injuries. I wonder if there's a direct correlation that you can measure to be interesting, to be interesting, to measure that over a long period of time, I mean one year you're not gonna do it, but like over a five year period, did you lessen the number of soft tissue in injuries? Yet have come a long way from sprinkling creaton on the French Fries and the Gaffetheria Like.

It's amazing though, how a few people miss stuff back then, Pete, only because everyone's afraid the death to go to the training room. You remember, do you remember remember when used to being ocean, used to joke, remember everywhere. But you know what I mean, it's just it's a different mentality. I mean, it's incredible the facilities nowadays, and it's a player I would have loved it. If you don't pay for it anymore. Your you know what Brian Flores told

me the day he goes. It keeps the guys around longer, when it builds camaraderie, you don't. You don't get out of there quickly in the off season, even if because there's so much right there. If you've got all that stuff right there, you don't need to go get a massage somewhere else. You don't need to go get crying therapy somewhere else. The food is good. I mean it just it just makes sense for teams to do that. I love it and I'm just jealous. Who wasn't around

when I was a player. Let's move belong to our next question from at Jay Hopkins b G S. Has Cam Robinson or a walker Little reached out to Tony um One that's a private conversation. I'd like to you sound like a player that I have had um conversations with Cam over the years, and I traded text messages with Walker after you got drafted, and I'll leave it at that. And we're not ready to call anybody baby BASSELLI yeah, just like over the years, every guy that's

ever been called that, it's almost like a curse. Baby. I'll say the same thing. And I know, Pete, you never you always like say oh stop number one, don't care, it's done, Like let them be their own players, like walk like Camera Robinson, let me go be the left tackle. And I hope, I hope he exceeds what I did, and I hope he's a better player than I was

because that means it's good for our franchise. And if it's not Camera Robinson, I hope it's Walker Little and I hope John Taylor playing right tackles better than I was and better than Leon Cerci was. I mean, that's what you want for the franchise. I mean, any i'd be leaning to know on. But Pete, you know what I mean. As an ex player, if you left the franchise, it's not like about like, oh, you don't want anyone like no, yes, I want him to be better. I

want to have great careers. I want to make a ton of money, and I want us to win a super boy. Mike Pearson was baby BASSELLI never worked out. Luke Joe go baby BASSELLI never worked out. Maybe they stopped calling them that, Yeah I would. I never liked I never liked the Moniker anyways. Yeah, that and what they've had four or five padded practices in camp already.

It's so early played a preseason game. Yeah, Logs and I were talking about that beat, like, the total amount of padded practices they'll have in quote unquote camp, we would have had in the first week of camp. Think about that. It's incredible. I was telling one of the I was telling Shack Barrett he was all sweaty after practice and I go, he goes, it's hot out here, and I go, no idea, dude. Ray Perkins used to have three practices a day, three no padded. We never

had three days. I remember we'd have to practice and the walkthrough and the two practice were in the heat of the day and they were both padded, and you're going full speed and just beating the hell out of me. Now. And by the way, this isn't the old guy said, Oh we were tougher. You should have been like my idea is like I like what they do now, Like it would have been better you guys would go to one than two again, right, it was never two two

and two. No, it was so the first year it was too too too, too, too, too too two two. In the second year it was two too too, too, too too two. The third year, when we thought we got the break, it was two one to one. Right, that's right Steven's point. It was too too, too, too, too, for sure. And I thought the second year he evolved a little bit. Well maybe the second year was too to one to to one, and then it went to one to one. But they were they were all in pad.

Everything was in pads. You know what's gone middle drill is gone nine seven then and where they pound it really hard the other day, ye first day in a lot of teams are how about like when you used to start practice with goal on, Remember that goal one was always they always had like after week one or something, goal line was live. It was a live drill. And that's even up to last last year, the last couple of years. But you always have to is anybody tackling

they don't tackle there? Right, No, I some places do though, yeah, not many. Though, let's get a couple more questions, and and let's go to the question number four, Brent and at duval Noll. If we keep six wide receivers, who do we keep? Seems like it would be difficult to cut Treadwell at this point. Well, let's do a quick count. And I got the list right here. Good for you. Um, let's go, we got well, you know, Leviss's on the team,

Marvin Jones on the team. J J. Chark on the team. Yes, even though he had surgery, but yes, we did one. Rebert Meyer said, okay, three, Um, didn't you start getting set? I already had a gun bunch right Colin Johnson, Colin Johnson, I'd say he's on the team. I think I think Jalen Camp is on the team because he's a big, physical guy who can play special teams. That think that's fine, but that's he's got to play special team. Agnew on the team. He's a kick returning special team doesn't really

count as a receiver. Though. That's six? Need one more Sea tread Well? Seven? Who am I cutting? There's like receivers, but with which guy of any note is being caught Dorsett, Philip Dorset and Tavon Austin. They're both first round picks. Yeah, but they're older and maybe Now here's the thing. If you keep tread well and you keep camp jail and camp, do you get rid of calling Johnson because he doesn't run? And Urban Meyer like speed team and those other guys

are big and fast. Colin Johnson is just big and not a speed speed guy. There are six receivers probably on somebody else's roster right now. That could be another thing. Yeah, first waiver claim all that well, JP had him trading for Michael Thomas, which Pete immediately shut down, saying bad idea. First off, you do like speed, he doesn't run, No, he does not, big big guy. Let's get our final question in at Dan eight three eight one. Who got

in better shape during the break? Crisco or Bisselly. My money's on the celly because I'm terrible. Yeah, I'm not much better the first. However, I would actually, I would actually see you. It's a tie for last. Yeah, it's not. I'm a Pete. I'm not in a good position because it's it's fat ball season and I'm already fat. Yeah, but you know, what though. I had a lazy summer and I've worked out and stuff. But I ate bad, you know, but I'm trying to be better leading into

the season. Give me a month. I got a hole in us to be coming up at the end of the month. Too much information, t M, I t M. I do not need to hear about your medical issues or procedures. A few of the five extra pounds underneath. That's great, Pete. This is a family show. Yeah great, let's come back. Thanks for the questions, every one. We'll get to him again next week. Let's come back. We'll go around the NFL wrap it up in our first Monday Happy Hour of the season. Yes, what a show

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official bank of the Jacksonville Jaguars. When Jaguars news breaks, you will hear about it first on ten ten x olt, home of the checks in Bille Jaguars Welcome Back Jaguars Happy Hour on a Monday, the first Monday program with one season. J P. Shadrick Tony was selling Pete Briscoe Joe Fortunato on the audio, Brent Reaver on the video side, Try Padilla. Do you know one thing? I want to yes? What what of one of many things you hate what has want, Well this time here because Pete loves doing it.

He loves cutting down the roster, he loves cutting people. You got about eight minutes if you want to do it. I hate it, like even going through the wider sceivers because like like Philip or Set might be the guy that may. I mean, we're sitting here like making guesses.

It's not like we're watching enough tape to really determine who's having the better camp, whether it's Philip door said or you know, Colin Johnson or what they're looking for because a lot of times I think they're I think they're there six receivers not on the roster, you know, but but you don't know. And I mean I throughout Jalen camp out there, I'm just assuming that they you know, he's a good specialties player, he looks it, but I

haven't watched one special team period. It also shows there's a significant drop from three down. Well, I think I think the message to the fans is and this is, you know, because you know who knows maybe uh Josh Hammond, who had a bunch of catches, maybe he you know, shows up and does something. I mean, who knows. I think the message more than anything. The three guys that we know I would I say, I don't know, I would be really confident are on the roster or d HRC,

Marvin Jones and Levis Chanloo. And that's that's it. There's a drop down after and then I think after that it's wide open. Yeah. Travis Travis et N plays wide receiver too. He lines up out there something. He's still running back, I know, but he plays out but it's like he's making some catches the last couple of days. By the way, it's like running back. It's easy. The top three I can tell you. I mean, unless something drastic happens or someone gets hurt, it's Travis e t N.

It's Carlos Hyde, it's James Robinson. Pretty easy, tight end, pretty easy. I don't know if Titans is easy. Number one, how many you're keeping four? Because one of them will be the fullback. So if you're keeping four, you're keeping Ohaughnessy, and then who else you keep the rookie Luke Farrell, Yes, and then you'd probably keep Elston and then you you got then it becomes Tyler Davis or Tebow. In the practice, squad,

which I think it'll be Tyler Davis. I think Tebow is the six tight end on the at A six. Yeah you disagree, Um do I disagree from what I've seen? No, Okay, so you know, but I mean, but it's still earlier. I mean, there's so much stuff that can happen between now, especially talking about right now. But I think the Jaguars tight end some of the other ones. You know, it's like obvious the Jaguars tight end situation outside of O'Shaughnessy and uh Manners is wide open. It will be decided

during the preseason. Kind of seemed like the same kind of guy to me, to be the like you like you talk about Tebow, he's being the six guy. Okay, maybe Now, what if he goes out in games and just like dominates the one thing that you know, he flashes it times good stuff. Then there's other things, like you watch his blocking ability. He needs to work on his physicality, especially if he's gonna be that fullback. Hasn't been great and what I've seen haven't seen it all.

So maybe he's flash of the times being really physical. He's not a very physical player at the point of attack. The day I saw him. He they pulled him on a play and he ducked his head and the defensive end went right around them. And so if you want to be that move tight end fullback lead up on there in linebackers, you've gotta be a physical dude. And Jeff Logman said it best. Being physical and tough as a quarterback is different than being physical and tough as

a position player like a tight end or full back. Okay, so what number is he as a tight end position? Right now? In your mind? Haven't we just gone through this? Well? He I mean, can you really distinguish between Tebow, Elveson and Davis? Is it that is that big a deal? Yeah, David, I think it's between Davis and Tebow and the practice squad, That's what I mean. It's right now, and then they got three weeks to go, so I think it's early. Like that's still close, Pete, is my point is number one?

You know, I hate this more than anything. That's why we do it. Number two, it is early, and like those are really competitive positions. Let's touch on some notes from around the National Football League. Pete, your guy in Buffalo got paid. Quarterback Josh Allen's bringing on the Bacon. Hey, look, they finally have their quarterback that they've been looking for from Jim Colty since Jim Kelly. All kinds of guy. Pat Patrick Mahomes signed one year too early. No, I mean,

tear that up again, bird in the hand. I guess here's my point. Did Patrick Mahomes signed too long of a deal? Probably? Yes, Like why wouldn't he just settled, I'll sign a four year deal? Right? He did sign too long a deal. I don't think there's any doubt about that. But how do you turn that money down when they put in front? It depends how much of that back in guaranteed though, Yeah, he got a lot of guaranteed money. Alan got more. You know, also got

a lot of money. It was Shawn Watson and John mcclaim of the Houston Chronicle Today said, quote on Twitter, Watson will never play another down for the Texans end quote. So where's he playing? Who's going to trade for him right now? No? But it's it's too big a risk. I mean you can't. I mean there's crimical there's there's a criminal investigation. If I understand the lads reports going on, there's twenty two women who have civil charges against him.

I'm not saying he's guilty. I'm just saying that's a lot of drama going on. And if I'm a GM, I'm not trading first round draft picks plus getting up in salary for a guy that might not play for a while. And it's hard to It's hard in this climate and everything. It's hard to sell that to your fan base. You can't Giants running back c Klon Barkley will return from the pup list today. That was the plan. They certainly missed him a year ago. How much better?

How much and how much better does does he make them? Pete? Well he makes them better, but he's a running back, you know how I feel about that? Um again, though he might not play week one, just an f y I because yes, not all the way back and Pete, but when didn't he get that hurt early in the season. Yeah, that's that's the opposite of Adrian Peterson's correct our final

thought Hall of Fame induction speeches. In the enshrinement ceremony the last couple of days, Peyton Mannings was challenging everyone to make the game better. Tony, at what point in your speech will you include Pete Prisco. First of all, I have not been elected to the Hall of Fame. I don't know that like next year some breaking news, so I'm not going to talk about that. Thank you JP. Next year, next year, I will tell you this. J Pe.

Over the course in the last decade, maybe not a decade, but eight nine years, seven eight nine years, I've pestered a lot of writers and they run from me now because they know I'm gonna talk about Tony and they literally I see him there go here he comes. And so this year, for the first time ever, guys have been coming up to me bringing it up and saying, your guys getting in this year. We'll see like it. I like it. That's a good first show, guys. Pete

will talk to you next week. Pete, you will later next Monday. So you're here now, I'm in Minnesota. Oh that's a little different from here. That's Pete Prisco, CBS Sports senior writer. That's Tony Baselli, prior of the Jaguars Left Tackle. I'm JP Shatterck will catch you next time. Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network