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I'm Pennannie Stevens. We are hearing from head coach Doug Peterson for the first time since free agency as the NFL holds their annual league meetings in Orlando. We'll have a live report a little later in the show as John Oser checks in with us and tells us all he's learned so far at the meetings. Brian Sexston is here with me in studio. We also have a special guest. We're going to start off with Big Thing one now,
been there and done that. In regards to those free agents, a lot of them coming from winning teams, had coached. Doug Peterson said that was kind of the goal in who they were targeting.
This is the culture that I want to establish in Jacksonville. And then this is the reason why you go get guys like Mitch Morris and Eric Armsteads and the Darnell Savages and the guys that have been to the postseason. These guys have been captains on their team and you know, they've been to Super Bowls, They've they've been to AFS Championship games.
You know, so these guys know.
How to win, and that's the that's kind of the influx of talent that we want to bring on to this our young roster, the guys that have.
Been there, done that, been there and done that.
Brian, this is something we discussed a lot in the off season, even the back end of last season. You're setting a culture here, but you also want that winning culture as well, and these guys know what that, know what it means to win, you know.
Kyle, We've talked about it a lot since last November. You remember when the Jaguars lost to the San Francisco forty nine ers. It was a disheartening loss, thirty four to three, and after the game, Doug Peterson said, we
haven't done anything yet. And the resounding thought from his coaching staff, bringing Ryan Nielsen and all the guys they assembled there to the free agents that they've brought in has been about the quality of person and the quality of their experience, whether they've been to Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, been on winning teams. Doug has tried to reinvigorate his locker room and his coaching staff with people of renown,
people who have gotten things done. So I'm going to introduce you to somebody who got things done around here for ten years, and you all know him. Jaguars center Brandon Linder, now retire, joins US today. Hi Brandon, how are you? I'm doing well and you are a spelt two hundred and fifty pounds. You're getting it done at home now.
I am yep, a lot of cardio and just eating protein and veggies.
Do you miss the game?
Oh?
Yeah, of course, of course I miss it, but it was time for me to move on, and I couldn't be happier.
We're going to talk about what you're doing and what you think of the Miller Electric Center. And by the way, it was wow which we walked through it. But you heard Doug. You know the guys that he brought in, and you know some of them, Mitch Morris and Eric Armstead, guys who have proven themselves on the field and off. You've been in the locker room a lot. Give me a perspective of what it means to bring guys like that in.
Yeah, that's a real exciting to see that you guys signed. Mitch Morris, heck of a player, great feet, very quick, brings his hips on contact. You'll see that throughout the year. Great in the past game, great in the run game. So that I mean, and that's where it starts, right at the center position. And he's a smart dude too, so relaying the calls obviously he'll figure out the plays. And then Eric Armstead, lengthy guy, has a heck of a bull rush, can swim off of it, can go
under as well. So now you're just adding another tool there in the d line.
Two guys like that who are accomplished come in and have an impact in the locker room in terms of their leadership style or because they're coming into it an established team, is that more difficult.
No, I think when you come in as an established player, you can definitely have an impact on the locker room. Right, You've been other places, you've done it, you have a resumeated show for so guys, especially younger guys, right, they're going to look at that. They're going to lean on those guys, so they can definitely have an impact right away.
The kay sounds like Doug Peterson's counting on that.
He sure is.
He's also counting on the fact that the way they finished last year will motivate this team going forward. Our second big thing is fuel to the fire, specifically talking about cornerback Trevor Lawrence does. So we've been in touch with them obviously in the and he feels like the way they finished is going to motivate Trevor going forward.
Now he's playing meaningful games, he's playing he's taken the last two years our team to the right there and now we got to push through that and and so.
And now it bothers him.
That part bothers him, right, football bothers him.
And and that's a good thing. Brian.
We always talk about how Trevorson's very even keeled, but Doug saying, you know, the way things finished got him bothered, which is what you want to hear. You certainly don't want to hear that he's fine with it. Will this be the motivating factor.
For him going forward?
Well, it certainly seemed that way on the day that they cleaned out their lockers at the end of last season, just to look at his eye and my kids would say, Trevor's chill, right, We'll get Brandon's thought on that. You know, he's relaxed. He does it get too wound up. He's he's level. But you could tell that day in the locker room back in January that it was something that bothered him. Brandon, you and I talked a lot about Trevor in the last couple of months when we've connected.
You think his upside is incredible. How do you see something like the last six games of last year when nothing seemed to go right, taking a young player and pushing him forward.
Yeah, I mean his upside's tremendous. And what happened last year, you know that was a shame how it fell apart.
I have been a part of that, and it's not fun.
When I was with Trevor, I mean, he is so invested in this team. All he wants to do is win. That's all he's ever done in high school, college. So you're going to see a guy that I believe. You know, he's working, doing everything he needs to do this offseason, and he's motivated. He's ready to come in and put forth the effort like I know he's going to. And it just it takes the right parts, and I think I think they have it. I think they've gotten it, especially in free agency.
Don't let me put words in me rout, but I think you maybe said you thought twice about retiring because you wanted the chance to play with this caliber of a quarterback.
No, you're correct, and you know, I sometimes think, like man, I wish my career would have aligned with Trevor's because he is that special and you know that center quarterback connection, it's it's a special connection. So yeah, I mean, I definitely would have liked to have played more years with Trevor, but that's not the case.
And that's all right.
We got enough good years with Blake, that's right.
Yeah, And that's one of my best friends to this.
Day, one of the fun guys we've had around Jacksonville in the years.
Kay.
Our final big thing today is going to be position flexibility. That was something Doug Peterson hammered home yesterday about being important, whether it's in terms of free agents that they brought in or who they're looking at in the draft.
You're starting to see more guys with position flexibility, you know, just like you would offense a lineman, right. You know, guards that can play center, tackles can play both sides. You know, receivers you can move receivers around. I just think it's a It just helps your overall team and if you do have an injury at a position, you can plug and play a guy.
Brian We saw a lot of musical chairs tally on the offensive line last season. But there are players now that they're bringing back they can play but multiple positions, whether it's Ezra Cleveland or others. And also he's talking about the defense, you know, bringing in a Darnell Savage who can play different positions on defense, possibly with different schemes. Is it more about having a good player that can also play other positions or someone that's kind of decent at everything.
Well, I'd like to have a really great player that can do multiple things, but you'll take a good player that can do that as well. And in particular, this line of thought goes to Darnelle Savage and Antonio Johnson because both guys can play nickel. In fact, Antonio Johnson's a guy that's probably that big nickel that's more in run support, but Savage can do that as well. We have the perfect guy here in Brandon to talk about positional flexibility because he came in as a rookie in
twenty fourteen and started at right guard. Kicked and domik ensues. But if I recall in Week two against Miami and that was Sue's debut with the Dolphins and he was the highest paid free agent in history. Not to lay that at your feet, but I remember the day. So the value in being able to do multiple things, and not just in terms of your contract, right, but in terms of on the practice field, in the meeting rooms, in a pinch, in a game.
Oh, that's everything.
And as a player, all you're trying to do is add value, right, you want that next contract extension, You want to start and have play as many years as you can.
Right.
To do that, it's adding value to be able to And I'm just going to speak on the offensive. Sure, if you could play center, if you could play guard, left guard, right guard, normally that's how you swing in the inside and then tackle. If you can play both sides and play them both at a high level, it's everything. I mean, you can really add value to yourself and you prolong your career in the NFL.
So we've talked a lot about Mitch Morse and they didn't sign him to coming to be the backup. He's going to come in and be the starter, which means that now Luke Fortner has a chance to learn to play a couple of different positions. How hard will it be for him to go from playing center to learning guard. Do you think he can be effective at that?
Yeah, of course I could. I think he can be effective.
And it's funny like going from left guard to right guard. It's not as easy as you would think because it's a completely different stance, completely different mechanics, right, You got to switch your brain.
But you can learn that.
You can develop that in the offseason, develop that in o Ta's training camp.
That's what that's for.
So ky when you bring in a guy like Mitch Morse and you take Luke Fordner and move him around, he's got thirty three thirty four regular season starts underneath his belt. Now you create depth as well as versatility, which gives Phil Rousher even more to work with in that offensive line room when we get started here in a couple of weeks.
Maybe adding in the draft as well. So we'll talk a little bit more offensive line a little later in the show, but stay with us here on Jagzam. Coming up after the break, we'll have a report from John Oser at the league meetings. Jaguars Fans Europe at fanatics dot com with all the latest Jag styles. You can shop now and get today's special offers. Fanatics dot Com officially licensed Everything seasons Welcome back to jag zam ozone.
Ditch just last week he his own vacation now was ditch just again, but this time is a good reason. He's at the annual League leading John. I know you were there talking hearing from Doug yesterday. That's the first time we've heard from him since free agency. So what was kind of a tone from him and what was the overall method from him.
I think what you guys led with with the top was the uh, you know, the money quote, if you will, uh talking about bringing in veteran guys. And I think even more than the veteran guy thing, even more than the guys who've been winning teams. He talked a little when he talked about that, about the swagger, and I think in the last six games the last season, he looked around and wanted guys to take control of the situation and win, and you know, there were times that
didn't happen. So I think guys like Eric Armstead, guys you know, the six of the players brought in from Green Bay, the Ravens, the Bills, those teams have made seventeen postseason appearances. Over the last five seasons. I think he wants guys who are going to walk out and expect to win rather than hope to win. And there's a subtle difference there. But I definitely think the money quote yesterday was about the swagger and about the need to feel like you're gonna win late in the season.
That's the defining thing of the off season of me. John.
I saw a lot of chatter of people interpreting what Doug said right. Doug is one of those guys that if you read between the lines, he tells you a lot. However, when the conversation got to wide receiver or offensive line and where this team felt like they could still get better, where they might need to add players, where the focus might be on the draft, I felt like Doug was all in on every position, wasn't telling anybody anything. Did
you hear something that I didn't? Was he leaning in one direction about where this team still needs to get better in April?
Not really. You get the feeling that they would like, I think they have to get better at corner and I don't think you know it wouldn't really ask specifically yesterday, but they're still you feel like they have two guys who with big time experience, big time pedigree. You feel like they still got one more somewhere in the first couple of days. Beyond that, I think they'd like to get better at receiver, but don't want to force themselves
into that situation. Probably that's true at most positions, right So, I didn't get the idea that they are targeting a certain area the sweet spot in the middle of the first round. It seems like receivers going to be their offensive line is going to be there. I think Doug's looking at it on the lines of if somebody drops to us, if the situations there, we'd love to get better, but we can line up, which is probably the way you want to be right now going into the draft, John, we.
Got some ozone questions for you because you got to check in obviously. At the league meetings they do some of those rule changes. So our first one is about the one they hold it on yesterday, the.
Hip drop tackle.
So how can rest possibly enforce this new hip drop tackle rule when it's I mean, they try to enforce a lot of things, so I'm sure they'll find a way, but this one seems a little bit weird as a defender, What are you allowed to do at this point?
Oh, they'll enforce it. I mean, it's whether it's quote unquote fair. You know, my life's not fair, son, You know so, I think that's what you're telling some of the defenders right now. How do you avoid doing that? I guess it's probably the same answer that you had to give to safeties a few years back when you say, well, how do you avoid hitting receiver in a certain way? Well, you just do it, and in some cases that means sort of giving up a little more on defense than
you want to. I don't think it's great for the quote enjoyment of the game. I think you'll see some clunkiness with it. I think defenders may be for things they weren't fined for in the past. But this is an era where the league has to continue to gear toward player safety for numerous reasons. First of all, because players should be kept safe. It's I can't sit here and say that. I could look a defensive back or a linebacker in the face and say, hey, the game's
getting easier for you. Now it gets harder, and it'll be it'll be tough to adapt, but they'll enforce it. I mean, they'll be penalties, and they'll be complaints, and they'll be outrage on Twitter, because there's always out always outrage on Twitter.
And I saw something as Twitter. It just a quick thought on that. By the way, you know, remember when they had to rule two years ago with the running back and they were going to hit the running back for lowering his head into contact. I haven't seen a whole lot of that the last couple of years. You know, every once in a while, when it's blatant, they'll call it, and I remember there was a great hue and cry about it. How in the world can you do that?
And they haven't over enforced that. My guess is is that when it'll all boils down, there's gonna be some really obvious hip drop tackles where guys get hurt, right like the one with them the tight end from the Ravens against the Bengals, and that wonder will be so obvious. But I'm not sure that this is going to be as cold as you think.
We'll see how it goes. But it's a new rule, so they always love to enforce the newest rules. John also hasn't officially been done yet. They've been talking about it as of yesterday. Dug weighed in on it. But the kickoff changes. They didn't see many returns at all on kickoffs last year after they changed the rules, so they're kind of allegedly going to tweak it. They haven't voted on it yet. Do you think that'll go through and how much will it change things?
Yeah, they voted on it this morning and actually did go through, So it seems like it's going to change things a lot. And I saw somewhere it was called one of the most significant rules change in NFL history. I don't know if it's that, but it's it's going to look different. I think the quote, I mean, I think the stat was there were no kickoff returned to the Super Bowl. Some people about my old friend Pete Prisco, who cares just to throw the ball in at the
twenty and line up. You know, I think you do like to have kickoffs in the game. I think it does add a level of excitement. This one's gonna be interesting because if you kick it in a certain area, they have to return it. If you don't kick a certain area, you get the ball at the forty. It's going to promote offense it's going to promote excitement. That's what the league wants. It's definitely something to watch. It'll keep some jobs open on special teams. It'll make it
more important, which I think matters to the NFLPA. So's it's going to be a factor and and you're gonna see that back in the game. I think you'll get a few complaints from the old people like me. I'm I'm gona complain about it, but I'm an old person that it. It's gonna look sort of clunky at first because guys can't run at the on the kick. They have to wait. So it's going to look different than what some guy played in high school. Right, So it's
gonna ah, that's not football. But it'll promote the kickoff return and it does seem to be a place where they can find some middle ground with excitement and player safety. And that's really the whole task of the league right now. Last seven or eight years has been about trying to make the game safer without losing the excitement, and this is a move toward that.
For people who aren't familiar with it, just in round terms. Basically, what they're going to do is have the kickoff coverage team and the front line of the kickoff return team line up five yards apart. Then they're not going to be able to move until the ball is caught by the return man. And as John mentioned, if you kick it into the zone, then it will likely be returned. If you don't kick it into that zone, then the ball is twenty five yards up the field to the
forty yard line, so there's a penalty. They're really trying to find a safe way to bring the kickoff back in. I heard yesterday there was something like, oh, I don't know, the forty five hundred kickoffs two years ago and then last year when some rules changed, they dropped it to thirteen hundred something like that. I mean, there's like a third of the number of kickoffs returned in a third of the number of yards, and they want to bring
it back. So you're going to see some of this stuff showing up in stories when we have practice in OTAs. As they practice it, it's not easy to envision because it's completely different than anything we've seen in professional football.
That is going to be something to see for sure when you explain it as physsically, what that's going to look like when you're kind of frozen.
Until they get the football.
It's a completely different dynamic now.
Somebody that trust wrote that it's the biggest difference, Brandon in terms of the visual of the game since they moved the goalpost out of the front of the end zone and moved them to the back, and that was in like nineteen seventy two.
Yeah, that's going to be interesting. I didn't even know about the rule change. I'm hearing you explain that.
I don't know.
It's like, it's a little bit clunky, but it's they think it's the way to save the kickoffs because the league has been trying to minimize it's considered to be the most dangerous play in football, right, I mean, statistically proven, it has become the most dangerous playing football. So they've been legislating it away in recent years with the you know how they moved the kickoff up and all the
rules that have minimized the number of kickoff returns. This is a way to sort of create something they think will be safer and still give you the potential to have that big play, field changing, game changing kind of moment.
John, I got one more last question for you before we let you go. Do we have any idea what they're doing with seventeen or are we still thinking corner? Are we discussing still?
Oh and number seventeen in the draft. I continue to figure it'll be corner because I look at the cornerback situation and Darby and Campbell seem like, you know what I would call resume pedigree. Guys, you know what they've done. Beyond that, they have Christian braswell Tarek Brown, who they like. I haven't been in the fire yet, so to me, it feels like seventeen or corner at seventeen. I'm sorry. At the same time, you can also take that in round two, round three. So I think it's a corner
offensive line. I keep saying, I don't think it's receiver, but that's also a possibility. Those would be the three spots that I would guess, So I'll go either corner, offensive line. But what do I know?
Depends on who's there, doesn't it. It always depends on who might slide down the board and be there.
You know what, all, John, who's there, have a good time in Orlando. We'll see you next week here on Jags Am.
Stay here with us.
We're gonna check it with Brandon lend a little bit more go over that offensive line and what he sees out there. From Jack's stay with us, Move the freight, Move the freight. Magell and Transport got the coolest office space in Jacksonville. You can fly online at www dot Magellan Logistics dot com. Welcome back to jag Zam here in the Hyundai studios and we have our special guest, Branding Linder here with us, who's center for the team offensive line and for the team center for many years.
The offensive line last year was a bit of a trouble spot for the Jaguars, to say the least. A lot of injuries, a lot of you know, kind of moving parts. Head coach Doug Peterson said he felt a lot of the issues were the fact that they didn't really have a set lineup. But offensive line, I mean, injuries are going to happen no matter what. How hard is it when you go out there and you don't
know who's going to be next to you? Is it a lot different when there's different players and different positions on every game?
Yeah, it is different.
And I've been a part of years where the line was like that, where continually revolving door. I've also been a part of lines where we started together the whole year, and you definitely want to be next to the guy. I mean, yes, they're the backups. Can have that same kind of you know, to lepathy where I don't even have to say, like AJ can like was was you know,
I played with him forever. There would be things where I could just literally look at him or get like just make some sort of audible noise and he would understand what I'm saying. Right, So it's it's everything to have that type of cohesion with each other. But that's not this But that's not an excuse. You know, everyone still needs to rise to the occasion.
What was it like for you?
I know we talked a little bit about that transition from position, especially in the NFL. Maybe you haven't played that position at all or in a long time, but to kind of trans know that your role is now a different position. Was that an easy transition for you?
It was just something that needed to be worked on.
I mean I started my first two years at right guard, and I had played center in high school and in college, and in college I moved from right guard to right tackle, so I had that kind of you know, experience at that But no, it was just taking the off season, you know, learning how to snap at an efficient rate, and then you know center, you know, iding the front insideing the mike linebackers, you know, kind of taking the calls and spreading him down the line.
So it was just that kind of change.
How hard is it if you're the quarterback and you have Cam Robinson, you know, gone for four games, and then he's in for eight games. Then he's gone for four games. Right, he had four different starting left guards. I mean, to be fair to Luke Fortner who struggled last year, but he had constant turn over next to him.
How about the quarterback?
You know, when things didn't go well last year, he didn't point fingers, but it had to be tough on him.
Yeah, I mean he'll never point fingers, but not knowing who is going to be playing on Sunday at that position, you might not think it or say it, but in the back of his head when he's dropping back, you know, to pass, and he's going through his progressions making his reads, there might be a little thing in the back of his head like what's going on over here at the left side. Right, do I need to float drift more more over to the right. So yes, if everyone can
stay together, that's the best case. But again you have to adjust teams.
Ring and Mitch Morse, you know who's in Kansas City and Buffalo for a while, a veteran presence. What does that do for a quarterback to have somebody you know coming in really commanding in the center and has been there, done that.
Yeah, exactly. Then they're done that.
You know, he has the experience, he can you know, he'll learn the plays, he'll learn the calls very easily, and then they'll they'll create a bond together and.
And they'll you know, I'm sure they'll win a bunch of games, which is exciting to see. And that's what you hope happens.
How long does it take to form that that bond center? So he had you as a rookie, and then he had looke forward to the last two years. Now he's got Mitch Morse going into his fourth year. Is he old had enough to be able to do that quickly? Or is that something that we're going to watch evolve over the course of the season.
I mean it takes an off season, you know, OTAs and by camp. Yeah, by and then by camp you're flowing, and then by the season you should be hitting on all cylinders. And then guess what, that next year is going to be even better in the year after that, and.
You know, so it's a be a good one.
We saw some young talent in Anton Harrison. He was one of the bright spots. Certainly last year at right tackle to come didn't have that much success, is it.
When you came in?
I wasn't here, so please fill me in a little bit. But did you feel like you had some anchor points to kind of work off when you got here? Did you feel like you learned as you went along? Was there some lineman that kind of coached you along the way?
Well?
Actually, when I got here, there wasn't very many. You know, it was not a veteran group. Yeah, it was not a veteran group. You know, there was a Beatles that left guard. I leaned on him a lot, but it was not a veteran group. So it was kind of like thrown into the fire. And I was starting since
day one and kind of just figuring it out. But like I told Brian, you know, off air, like there was guys that I leaned on like paulpaz Lusny and Mercedes Lewis, you know how to be professionals, what it looked like, and just modeled, modeled my game in my career after them, even though they were different positions, but just how I went about my business.
So yeah, just thrown to the fire and I came out all right.
Well, and look, Gus Bradley did not have a great record as the head coach here, but I liked his mentality about you have to be in order to be a great teammate, you had to be a great individual. You had to come to work every day, the idea that it was on you to be your best and not to worry, not to make it be about a veteran guy next to you or someone else. It was all about you coming in the door every day, focused entirely on being the best Brandon Linder you could be.
Yes, I mean again, this is a team sport, right, this is the Jacksonville Jaguars. But at the end of the day, I'm an individual business, right, Each player is an individual business. As soon as you're not as soon as you're not performing or you're getting paid too much,
they're gonna they're gonna move on from you. So you have to do everything you can, as Brandon Linder, as Trevor Lawrence, to go out there and put put put the best film out there, because that's that's your resume, that's what they're looking at, and that's how you play a long time in the league, and that's how you can stay with the team for a while, and that's how you can sign, you know, a contract extension.
When you have a locker room full of guys who come in every day wanting to be the best version of themselves, willing to work harder, willing to stay longer, willing to eat the right thing and do the right thing in terms of recovery and study, well, then you've got something, right. I mean, they have to be good players, right. We learned we didn't have enough good players when Guss was trying to implement that philosophy. But had we had
enough good players. I think that philosophy is how it works in.
Today's Yeah, and then that becomes part of the culture. I mean that then you know you see other guys doing it, well, I need to do that, all right. It's it's contagious, right, And that's and I think in seventeen when we had that success.
We had a lot of good players.
Yeah, but you saw guys doing that and that's that's what it takes to win, setting that standard.
Stay with us here on jag Zam. Brand is gonna catch us up on what he's been up to and we'll look ahead here on Jagsam. Jags fans joined us Tuesday, April sixteenth, from six thirty to eight thirty at EverBank Stadium for the Beat inspired by JAG's Jobs event that's presented by the Florida Lottery. You can register now at Jaguars dot com slash Bright Futures. Back hereon Jack Zam, Brandon, thank you so much for joining us today. It's been really nice to get your perspective. Thing.
It is too bad that you weren't here when Brandon was playing. He was the most challenging interviewer interviewee in the locker room. Well because he was focused. I mean, now that he's retired, he'll tell you he was so focused on what he had to do next. But it was like, Brand, do you have time to talk? What do you want sext? And what do you mean?
Well?
I was just going from one thing to next, right, I come off the practice field. Then it was a cool downstretched ice tubs, gotta get my food, the meetings. To me, I didn't have time for this, right I'm trying to do everything I can to help the team win.
He was trying to be the best version of himself, which is it's part of the relationship that you build. You kind of understand to give him his room. But as you've heard, the reason I wanted to hear from him was because he always had something good to say when I could stop him, but he was always so focused on it. So last year we did Jags All Access,
Brandon came back up into town and we reconnected. I've worked on a story for the Jags Legends alumni and Brandon is up here today and I said, will you do it?
It's like, yeah, because you want to do some of this, right, Yeah, I do, and I want to. I want to be a part of this community. I want to be a part of this organization. I mean, I love Jacksonville. I mean that that was a strategic plan my part two to retire a Jaguar. There hasn't been many lifers. I I plan on living here my whole life. I mean, I love Jacksonville. So yeah, I want to I want
to be a part of it. I want to get back in the organization, you know, part of the community still doing stuff, which I'm actually here also to talk about next year we're going to be doing a fishing tournament, which start start figuring out the logistics of that. But you know, affiliated with the Jaguars and and you know, bringing awareness to a great cause.
Guess who one of his best boys was when he was here, Punter Logoman, Oh Jean out doorsman of the day, and probably the punter too. I mean, anybody who would hunt fish, you would be offshore fishing, you'd be out in the woods hunting.
Yep.
Yeah, Logan Cook, you have a great friend of mine and Jeff, my rookie year. Uh he heard that I that I like to hunt and fish and so that yeah, I think it was your tas we started talking and from there, Yeah, that that relationship bloomed.
Now ask him about his wife, because watch him beam from side to side.
Yes, tell us about your wife.
Why not?
Yeah, No, she's she's amazing. She's in residency right now. I'm gonna be an orthopedic surgeon, and that's kind of why I'm not living here in Jacksonville for right now, but roughly three years we'll be back up here.
And uh and you know, calling this home.
But she's incredible, she's finishing out her five year residency.
And then and then yeah, orthopedic surgeon. Wonderful, it's amazing.
We love a power couple.
That's so exciting. Brandon, thank you for joining us today. We hope to have you back soon and we love your insights, so we'll hopefully see you in a couple of weeks.
Thank you for having us all right, that's dagsam.
We'll see you guys next week