Leading What You’ve Never Done Before is an episode about a leadership challenge almost everyone hits as they grow: your scope expands faster than your resume. Most technology leaders start out managing what they already know, then suddenly find themselves responsible for domains they’ve never personally practiced. That can feel exposing, especially if you built your credibility as “the expert.” In this episode, Kevin breaks down why trying to become the expert in every new area is a trap, why i...
Jan 18, 2026•35 min•Ep. 54
In this episode, Kevin tackles a paradox that most leaders don't see coming: the moment you get comfortable in your role is often the moment you stop improving. Drawing on his decade as a CTO, he explains why success and experience can become dangerous if you're not deliberately reflecting on how you work, why you make the choices you make, and where your blind spots might be hiding. Kevin breaks down why reflection isn't optional for senior leaders. At the C-level, you don't get much feedback o...
Jan 04, 2026•24 min•Ep. 53
In this episode of It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership , Kevin Goldsmith tackles one of the most contentious topics in growing companies: process. Drawing on decades of leadership experience from IBM and Microsoft to Spotify and Adobe, he explores why process is neither inherently good nor bad; it's a tool that must fit the problem you're solving. Kevin introduces a practical framework for deciding when to add process and when you have too much. He explains how to identify the coordinat...
Dec 21, 2025•45 min•Ep. 52
In this episode, Kevin tackles one of the most misunderstood topics in software development: technical debt. Drawing on his experience at Microsoft, Spotify, and early-stage startups, he challenges the common assumption that all technical debt is bad, explaining why healthy teams intentionally take on debt as part of shipping software effectively. Kevin introduces a practical four-part framework for understanding technical debt: pragmatic debt (taken on deliberately to validate ideas or meet con...
Dec 07, 2025•41 min•Ep. 51
In this episode, Kevin breaks down what really happens inside a company board meeting: why they exist, what gets discussed, and why they carry so much weight for an executive team. Drawing from a decade of attending and presenting in boardrooms across startups and later-stage companies, he explains the board’s role as the company’s oversight body and why each quarterly meeting functions like a performance review for the entire organization. Kevin covers how boards think about risk, strategy, fin...
Nov 23, 2025•51 min•Ep. 50
In this episode of It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership , Kevin Goldsmith breaks down what it really means to craft a technical strategy that aligns your engineering organization with business goals. Drawing on decades of experience as a technology leader and CTO, he explains why simply having a plan in your head isn’t enough: a strategy must be documented, shared, and revisited regularly if it’s going to guide meaningful decisions. Kevin outlines practical steps for building an effectiv...
Nov 09, 2025•30 min•Ep. 49
Avoiding shiny object syndrome, encouraging curiosity, and building a system for smart adoption Every few years, a new wave of technology arrives promising to change everything. Right now, it’s generative AI, but it wasn’t long ago that we were saying the same thing about mobile, cloud, or Web3. In this episode, Kevin Goldsmith reflects on how leaders can navigate emerging technologies without falling for the hype. Drawing from decades of experience adopting everything from public cloud to AI to...
Oct 26, 2025•42 min•Ep. 48
In this episode, Kevin digs into the often-ignored side of engineering leadership: organizational design. He explores how structure shapes communication, culture, and even software architecture. Conway’s Law still applies. Kevin shares practical ways to diagnose bottlenecks, refactor teams, and evolve your organization with intent. From mapping the flow of work to understanding team topologies, this is a grounded guide to designing organizations that actually work. Architecture and Organization ...
Oct 12, 2025•47 min•Ep. 47
Kevin Goldsmith revisits his influential 2013 keynote on engineering culture, expanding the conversation beyond just engineering teams to address anyone navigating workplace dynamics. This episode breaks down the real mechanics of how organizational values create culture, and how culture shapes everything from hiring decisions to performance reviews. What you'll learn: The difference between stated company values and actual values (and a simple test to tell them apart) Why culture "eats strategy...
Sep 28, 2025•1 hr 4 min•Season 2Ep. 46
In this episode of It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership , Kevin returns from a summer break with a new podcast format and two big topics. First, he shares practical advice for navigating an unplanned career break—whether due to layoffs or a tough job market. From reframing “career break” on your résumé, to launching a consultancy, building a startup, or contributing to open source, Kevin outlines concrete ways to stay relevant, keep your skills sharp, and strengthen your positioning for ...
Sep 14, 2025•47 min•Ep. 45
This is a repeat of an episode originally released on April 13, 2025 In October 2025, I will once again be speaking at the Lead Dev New York event. Registration and information are available here . You can use the discount code “KEVIN15” to receive 15% off your registration. In this special episode, Kevin Goldsmith is joined by longtime friend and peer Kevin Stewart, SVP of Engineering at Splice, to challenge the familiar yet flawed narrative: that a team within a large company can "operate like...
Aug 31, 2025•1 hr 7 min•Ep. 44
This is a repeat of an episode originally released on March 2, 2025 In this episode of the "It Depends" podcast, host Kevin Goldsmith shares his unique experience designing Spotify's engineering career framework. As the leader of this initiative, Kevin provides a behind-the-scenes look at how Spotify's distinct career pathing system was developed, a system that reinforced its unique engineering culture rather than undermining it. Kevin explains the delicate balance of timing when implementing a ...
Aug 17, 2025•46 min•Ep. 43
This is a repeat of an episode originally released on August 4, 2024. In this episode of the It Depends podcast, host Kevin Goldsmith delves into the complexities of managing partially distributed engineering teams. Kevin discusses the nuances of communication, collaboration, and culture in partially distributed teams, emphasizing the unique challenges that arise when some team members work remotely while others remain in the office. He highlights his experiences at companies like Adobe, Microso...
Aug 03, 2025•34 min•Ep. 42
If you are on the technology management track, the final role is Chief Technology Officer. Still, the path to the role is not obvious because the role itself differs greatly from company to company. The episode includes chapter 10 from "It Depends: Writing on Technology Leadership 2012-2022," "Becoming a CTO." This chapter discusses the common skills needed for the CTO in almost any company and how the role differs between early-stage and mid-stage companies. This is a repeat of an episode origi...
Jul 20, 2025•36 min•Ep. 41
We discuss how critical failure is to innovation and how to handle it effectively. We discuss how software used to be written, Clippy, and why it was bound to fail. We also explore how Spotify utilizes the Think It/Build It/Ship It/Tweak It framework to build fail-safe products, and more. This is a repeat of an episode originally released on January 20, 2024. Seattle's Got Tech Event at Seattle Startup Week LeadDev New York Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depend...
Jul 06, 2025•59 min•Ep. 40
In this season finale, Kevin pulls back the curtain on his entire book-writing and self-publishing journey. What started as a collection of blog posts became "It Depends: Writing on Technology Leadership, 2012 to 2022" – but why go the DIY route instead of working with a traditional publisher? You'll learn: The real reasons tech leaders should (or shouldn't) write books Detailed breakdown of self-publishing vs. traditional publishing Specific tools and workflows: from WordPress to Word, ChatGPT ...
Jun 22, 2025•45 min•Ep. 39
In this third and final Q&A episode of the season, Kevin addresses three challenging questions that many tech leaders face daily. First, he delves into the tension between competitive performance review systems and collaborative culture, drawing on his own experience at Microsoft to explain why some systems actively discourage the teamwork they claim to promote. Next, Kevin explores how to balance innovation with product roadmap commitments, and whether guild structures can help break down t...
Jun 08, 2025•42 min•Ep. 38
Host Kevin Goldsmith responds to six listener questions covering common leadership and career challenges in technology organizations. Episode Content: Learning and Development on Limited Resources - A team lead in Lagos asks about fostering continuous learning without access to expensive training programs. Kevin discusses free resources, including conference talks on YouTube, vendor training materials, online courseware, and strategies for organizing local meetups and knowledge-sharing sessions....
May 25, 2025•43 min•Ep. 37
In this first post-book Q&A episode, host Kevin Goldsmith dives into the real challenges tech leaders face daily, answering questions from listeners around the globe. The episode unpacks several critical leadership dilemmas: Luca from Milan asks how to maintain clear accountability while fostering cross-functional collaboration in a matrix organization. Kevin provides practical advice on balancing engineering ownership with product and design partnerships, revealing how to avoid the common p...
May 11, 2025•38 min•Ep. 36
In this episode, Kevin shares the final chapter of It Depends: Writing on Technology Leadership , focusing on what it takes to grow with a scaling company, or recognize when it’s time for new leadership. Drawing on his real-world experience, he discusses succession planning, self-awareness, and cultivating a culture that fosters growth at every stage. Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6 The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 Your host: Kevin Goldsmith...
Apr 27, 2025•26 min•Ep. 35
In this special episode, Kevin Goldsmith is joined by longtime friend and peer Kevin Stewart, SVP of Engineering at Splice, to challenge the familiar but flawed narrative: that a team inside a big company can "operate like a startup." Drawing on their shared experiences at Adobe and divergent paths through startups, they explore why innovation often stalls inside large organizations and what makes real startup environments fundamentally different. This wide-ranging conversation touches on cultur...
Apr 13, 2025•1 hr 6 min•Ep. 34
In this episode of the "It Depends" podcast, host Kevin Goldsmith discusses the lessons learned from creating Spotify's Technology Career Steps framework. Kevin shares insights from his experience leading the effort to build a structured career path for Spotify's technology team, discussing the process's challenges and successes. The episode covers key topics such as balancing behaviors versus achievements in career growth, the importance of aligning career pathing systems with company culture, ...
Mar 30, 2025•45 min•Ep. 33
In this episode of "It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership," host Kevin Goldsmith discusses Chapter 33 of his book, which details the career framework he helped develop at Spotify. Kevin emphasizes that a career pathing framework is the most critical document for engineering leaders. It serves as the backbone of organizational culture by reinforcing desired behaviors through promotion and performance management. Kevin explains how the Spotify framework was carefully designed to: Emphasize ...
Mar 16, 2025•51 min•Ep. 32
In this episode of the "It Depends" podcast, host Kevin Goldsmith shares his unique experience designing Spotify's engineering career framework. As the leader of this initiative, Kevin provides a behind-the-scenes look at how Spotify's distinct career pathing system was developed, a system that reinforced its unique engineering culture rather than undermining it. Kevin explains the delicate balance of timing when implementing a career framework. Waiting too long (as Spotify did) can cause proble...
Mar 02, 2025•44 min•Ep. 31
Are your hiring practices unintentionally limiting diversity in your organization? In this episode of It Depends host Kevin Goldsmith explores the critical changes that can help technology companies build more inclusive and high-performing teams. Drawing on his experience scaling engineering teams, Kevin challenges conventional hiring biases—such as prioritizing certain universities or requiring excessive pre-interview work—and offers actionable steps to reduce bias in the hiring process. If you...
Feb 16, 2025•36 min•Season 1Ep. 30
As major tech companies retreat from their commitments to diversity, equity, and inclusion, startups can lead the way. In this episode, Kevin Goldsmith explores why diverse teams consistently build better products and create stronger, more effective workplaces. He reflects on personal experiences in leadership, shares insights on how startups can leverage the "law of small numbers" to make a meaningful impact, and explains why prioritizing diversity isn't just the right thing to do—it’s also sma...
Feb 02, 2025•21 min•Ep. 29
In Episode 27 of It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership , Kevin Goldsmith explores the process of creating a management training curriculum at Avvo. Reflecting on his journey as a manager and lessons learned from his early days at Microsoft and Adobe, Kevin highlights the importance of intentional training for engineering managers. This episode delves into the innovative approach used at Avvo, including collaborative exercises to identify training priorities and designing tailored developm...
Jan 19, 2025•30 min•Season 1Ep. 28
In this insightful episode of The It Depends Podcast , host Kevin Goldsmith, seasoned CTO and author, takes listeners behind the scenes of his first CTO role at Avvo, a legal tech company. Kevin shares his real-world experience in transforming the organizational structure by introducing journey teams—an innovative approach influenced by, but distinct from, Spotify’s model. He discusses the challenges of managing small teams, the necessity of fostering team autonomy while maintaining accountabili...
Jan 05, 2025•48 min•Ep. 27
In this episode of It Depends , host Kevin Goldsmith, a seasoned technology leader and CTO, explores the intricacies of Spotify's famed matrix organization model and its applicability to other companies. Drawing from his firsthand experiences at Spotify during its formative years, Kevin delves into the successes and challenges of implementing the Spotify model, addressing common misconceptions and the cultural nuances that influence its effectiveness. Kevin recounts how the model's flexibility a...
Dec 22, 2024•44 min•Ep. 26
In this episode of It Depends , host Kevin Goldsmith dives into Chapter 26 of his book It Depends: Writing on Technology Leadership 2012–2022 . Kevin shares his firsthand experiences with the Spotify model—a revolutionary approach to team organization designed to foster agility, innovation, and collaboration. Drawing on his years at Spotify, Kevin explains how the model allows teams to dynamically form, dissolve, and remix based on company needs. He also addresses some common misconceptions abou...
Dec 08, 2024•30 min•Ep. 25
