The Trump Indictment

for Trump. Uh, finally, So I figured we would wait until, you know, a few days had gone by. There were a lot of when the initial indictment was announced, we didn't even actually know what all the chart es were. There was a pretty long period of time that we didn't know like what the actual crime at the center of this was. But most of that has now is now relatively clear, as are kind of the earliest stages

of the fallout to the Trump indictment. So I feel like now is a reasonably good time to talk about it. More may have, you know, occur since we occurred since we recorded this, But broadly speaking, the thing that Trump got indicted by as According to the thirteen page court filing outlining the case against him by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, was what's called a catch and kill scheme in which Trump and you know, his trumpets, would basically

bribe people to not write bad stories about him. Um, you know, it's a hush money thing. My assumption is that basically everybody at that level of wealth and prominence does versions of the same thing, and these, in fact, are not crimes on their own. You can bribe somebody not to say a bad talk about a bad thing

you did to the press. Where things get illegal is that Trump, you know, made a series of payments, primarily these one hundred and thirtyish thousand dollars in payments to Stormy Daniels to buy her quiet, and then he had to falsify company records or his people falsified company records to disguise the payments as legal fees. Bragg is arguing that not only is this a crime, but it's a

felony crime because he did this. He falsified these records to disguise disguise these payments in order to further additional violations of the laws and those additional violations of the laws. The actual like core crime here is that disguise. Under New York law, disguising these kind of payments in corporate records is a crime. It's typically a misdemeanor, but it's a felony if the business records were intended to obscure

a second crime. And in this case, the second crime appears to be the use of funds to advance his like presidential campaign, which was in violation of campaign finance laws. So the core crime that makes the misdemeanor of felony is the fact that he was doing this um in order to advance his presidential campaign, and thus, like the payments that he was making were basically counted as part of like the limited amount of money you can spend,

you know, financing your campaign, and he violated that. Right. That's that's the gist of it, as I understand, like what's actually being argued here. Yeah, that seems to be about the side. Just for people who aun familiar, Bragg is Alvin Bragg, the yeah Manhattan da Okay. Yeah, what's really concerning about this is that if they can arrest Trump, that means they can arrest to any one of us.

That's right, all the money that I've paid for people to up stories about, including Stormy Daniels, you know, yeah, No, it's um like people. There's a lot of talk about like is this a weak case or a strong case? None of us are lawyers. My I go kind of both ways about this. One of them is that Alvin Bragg is a guy who, you know, whatever he believes about this case, is also a prosecutor. That is a

political position. Prosecuting someone and failing to get your man is bad for your career, and if that man is the president who you indict for the first time in living memory, that would be really bad for your career. So my assumption is that Bragg at least believes he's got a really strong case. Otherwise he because this is a tremendous risk for him right now. Obviously, can Trump

wriggle his way out of it. Will Trump is extremely good at wriggling his way out of things, and he has all of the money in the world for lawyers. So I think it would be foolish to say it's a slam dunk either way. People who are saying that like this is a weird thing to prosecute him for I guess, but you know it does. I can see the logic that this guy that Bragg is kind of going with, and it's do I think this should be

a felony? I guess. I don't care, as long as it does some damage to the man and causes him some like consternation, which is like the question, right, is this actually going to harm him? But yeah, like that is the more debatable question, right, Like it's just going to harm him? Will help him? There's there's a lot

of talk about is this a political prosecution? And my general response to that is, well, like nearly all prosecutions are political, right, Like, even something that wouldn't seem like like a decision to go after a rapist will most rapists are not actually ever like charged or brought through

the justice system. So if you're a prosecutor choosing to do that in a specific case, there's a degree of politics factoring into your decision, even if it's just as as simple as like, if I take on this case and I lose it, it could harm my ability to like move forward in the ways that I want to in my career. So I the fact that now this

is political and perhaps a grander sense. I have no doubt that the fact that this is Donald fucking Trump and everything that's happened since twenty twenty has happened, that he has been a party, and I have no doubt that that all factors into this um. But I just don't see that as being like the fact that finally a prosecutor is making sort of a political prosecution of a man at the top of the hierarchy is not

something that concerns me terribly. Yeah, I didn't think, like, I'm more concerned that this seems to have propelled him to the front of the Republican race and that he's getting a bunch of donations off it than I am about any any potential consequences like all, yeah, actual indictment.

It is certainly an interesting political move for descentis to back Trump on this and not not like comply with extradition, not that it would ever get to that point, but that is still a move that Descent is made on purpose, which is an interesting political move considering it is a future candidacy and it is. Let's talk about that a second, because obviously thirty four felony accounts sounds like a lot

that is in fact quite a few felonies. But the at least the coverage I'm reading is like it's basically unheard of for someone to actually do jail time for this as a first offense, which I don't know whatever like does that. It's absolutely breathtakingly he doesn't have a

single crime on him, given me, he's essentially a career criminal. Well, there are continuing, like there's probably like the potential for prosecution still from like that call he had with the Secretary of State of Georgia, which we'll talk about a little bit. Yeah, I think there are a few sort of more, there's a number of things that, Yeah, this may not be the last Trump criminal indictment that we see. God,

we can only hope. We can only hope because because it only gets more funny from here, and that's the only reason too. Yeah, well, well unless it doesn't. I'm seeing a lot of like panic from some people, certain certain folks in the progressive and kind of center left media sphere who are like, this has just handed Trump

the nomination. This might have just handed Trump the election from what I'm looking at and from the polling I'm looking at, I mean, I think there's a good chance this helps I mean, I think the polling certainly supports the argument that this will help him cinch the nomination. I don't really think that was super end doubt before, although he has definitely gained onto Santis since all of this, this whole process started, there is evidence. I'm looking at

a five thirty eight article right now. Trump's indictment might be make him more popular among Republicans. But kind of the point that's actually made is that the group that's that's getting more likely to back him is his base. Like maybe it's people who were softer on him because he didn't back you know, the J six people. Maybe some of them from them are just folks who kind of drifted away because you know, it's the years in between a presidential election, and that's a natural thing. So

it may have galvanized his base. He's certainly he's raised four or five million dollars, he's seven now he's claiming seven. I mean, that seems real possible. He is saying that a significant chunk of it. I think like twenty percent might be more than that. Now we're like first time donations. That is what his people are claiming. That is not. I have no way of knowing if those numbers are legitimate.

What we can say is that the polling that we're seeing nationally does not back the idea that this is causing a sea change in the likelihood of Americans to support Donald Trump. About sixty nine percent of Americans, according to a very nice according to an economist Yugov pole say that in general, failing to report having spent campaign money on payments in order to keep someone silent about an issue and affect the outcome of an election is

a crime. About ninety percent Biden voters back this, while about fifty four percent of those who voted for Trump in twenty twenty said the same, Which is interesting. Now, that doesn't mean they also think that this is what Trump did, right, They're just saying they think that that

is a crime. About fifty seven percent of Republicans according to that same or according to a Yahoo News Ugov poll, about fifty seven percent of Republicans and Republican leaders said they would support Trump and a head to head against

Ronda Santis, who received thirty one percent. That's an increase in support for the president by about ten percent, but de Santis has only gone down like eight percent, so you can see like he Basically what's happening is that this is causing people to flock from de Santist to him, which is not kind of evidence that we're seeing like

a broader national sweep. Quinnipiac University, NPR, PBS News Our Merist Pole kind of broadly supported the idea that investigations into Trump are popular among Americans, more popular than not. At least, about fifty six percent of Americans say the investigations into Trump are fair, about forty one percent say they're a witch hunt. Independence are pretty split on the issue, but obviously like Democrats, wildly supportive Republicans very much against.

Most college educated adults come down on this being fair, as do most Gen Z and millennial people. Adults without a college education, white evangelicals, and those in small towns are most likely to call it a witch hunt. An NPRPBS News Hour Merist poll shows a plurality of Americans. Forty six percent believe Trump has done something illegal related to those investigations. Number. Another twenty nine percent say Trump has done something unethical but not illegal, while only twenty

three percent say he's done nothing wrong. Overall, fifty seven percent of Americans say that criminal charges filed against Trump should disqualify him from a presidential bid. Thirty eight percent say it should not. That would be an area where I actually agree with the Republicans. I don't think that having charges against you should disqualify you from running for president. But man, I think if you are a fucking murderer,

you should be able to run for president. People have the right to run for and vote for whoever the fuck they want, and I think that that is a strong core belief of mine. Not going to vote for Trump, but I think the fact that he's getting charged with a bunch of felonies should not. If he was in jail, he should be able to run as people have in

the past. In my opinion, Yeah, Eugene Debs Trump president, and I'm kind of more interested actually in I think the Republican response is fairly predictable, Like all of this week, we could have called that, you know, the moment they said they were indicting him. The Democrats like, I'm like, I don't think the Democrats are ever going to do anything useful that will really change material conditions or make

things much better for working people in this country. But the fact that it gives them the option to pivot back to like Orange Man Bad as their only campaign, as their only promise, as their only sort of principle, which like they put forward as as a reason to

vote for them, is still bad. I think like it prevents even the modicum of accountability that we have for all the shit that the Democrats have done and all the shit that they haven't done in the past what like three two two and a half years since the election. I think that's so much broader of a problem than

just dealing with this set of charges. I am. I am sympathy to the idea if you just kind of look at history that you can't let people do the kind of shit Trump did and not try to fucking go after them and not hammer the sons of bitches, right, and this is this is not you know, they went after after the beer Hall push, Hitler was jailed for like a year. So it doesn't mean that like slaps on the wrist don't necessarily have much of a protective effect. But I don't know, like, like I am so torn

on this, and I mean, obviously it's really funny. I think it if this is kind of the start of a series of prosecutions that's going to make this guy's life hell, and that might actually even force some consequences for him. Then I think that's broadly speaking a good thing, as long as it doesn't, like disqualify him from the presidency, which I think would be a bad precedent. But I

don't know. I'm broadly on team yeah, man, fuck him up, like we know this guy would have and in fact has promised too, if he gets into power again, use the state, use the Justice Department, remake it in his own image, and destroy his enemies. So I'm not against the idea that, like, well, the Dems, I tend to agree with you on most things, James, Like I don't believe the Democratic Party deserves to have an easy election

right now because they've failed. I mean, we were this is the week where we're getting the announcement from Biden that he's essentially taking kind of the soft answer to the GOP attack on trans people participating in sporting events. We were also about a week out from his most recent announcement on or maybe actually it's been more like a couple of weeks on the border shit. We just had that horrible fire over in Warez like a week or so ago. Like the Biden administration has let a

lot of people down in a number of ways. There's you know, some of the drilling shit that's about to start up again in Alaska is really unsettling to me. So I agree with you. I don't like the idea that they can make this be an Orange Man bad

election again. And I'm hopeful that some of what we've seen, you know, particularly like the most recent election in Chicago, you know, maybe maybe there's kind of at least room at the state level for a lot more progressive to edge out kind of centrist Dems and force some consequences that way. But I I also am worried about, you know, this, this authoritarian who threatened to jail and murder a bunch of people I care about, and like I want, I want him to spend the rest of his life tangled

up in that shit. I don't know that that's what this is going to be. You know, maybe they'll they'll fail miserably here, but I don't know. I do think the kind of panic that you're getting from some people that like this handed them the election, I'm not seeing evidence that that's the case. I think that maybe if this had happened in like twenty sixteen or even twenty twenty, sure you might get something like that. But at the point where at now, I just don't think new people

are coming to Trump in numbers. Yeah, yeah, and and and and it very much makes sense for the liberal state apparatus to try to defend itself from what it sees as like an insurgent, reactionary factor, right, Like, that's that is, that is how they view Trump and Trump's political power, So it makes sense they will use their own powers to try to resist that from gaining control. Again. Um, whether or not you believe the state apparatus should exist at all, or how how valid you view its existence,

it makes sense what they're doing. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I am I mean, honestly, I am surprised they committed to it because there is in part because this is a tremendous risk for Bragg and the people around him. Right if this fails, which it very well might. You know, obviously that would have could have consequences for everybody, but you know, it could have really serious career consequences for

this guy. And I am surprised that you've you've got someone willing to kind of throw the dice here, and I'm hopeful that maybe that inspires especially since this case, by the way, since I'm sure people are curious. No one I've looked at who knows more about the law

than me expects this to hit trial quickly. Again, Trump has all of the money in the world, and this is like probably going to be a pretty winding process outside of just the normal problems of like a rich man as being accused of a series of crimes and has many lawyers. The Secret Service has a lot to say and when and how the actual trial part of this commences, and that has a chance of extending it.

So my hope is that as this kind of winds on, maybe the fact that Bragg was willing to kind of take a shot in the dark here, so to speak, inspires some of these other prosecutors who have been, you know, poking at Trump to take a swing, and maybe with enough swings, you know, it'll be like that that guy we had on Troy Hurdibes and his bare armor suit. You know, you get a bunch of bikers to surround him with two by fours and just swing until they're

all broken and he's on the ground. Um, it'll be like it'll be like that scene from a Venger's end Game and all of the George Soros DA's are garrison absolutely not led by George. Sorry, I've never been angrier at you right now than bringing up that fucking adventure scene. Um. Yeah, So did y'all watch Trump's video response, Oh, the one that played on all of the new stations except for MSNBC. Yeah, yeah, we should talk. I actually did not watch it. Now.

I attempted to avoid that as well. Actually, well I watched give Yourself to that for us Robot. I sure did, and I have a summary of the most salient parts. First off, I think that MSNBC made the right call. They kind of summarized what was going on, but like didn't just let him speak, you know, uninterrupted. For it was like fifteen minutes, something like twenty minutes of interrupted, Robert, would you like to be interrupted by some plugs for

goods and services? Absolutely, Betty. Donald Trump is a master spokesman and these are master products. Get your gold. We're back. Uh. It's been such a glorious, glorious time. Everyone's everybody's really feeling powerful today, mighty anyway Trump, So I don't know.

I watched this fucking thing. I guess my overall sentiment would be kind of boring, right, This is not the level of energy or the degree of kind of like manic violent undercurrents that like his American Carnage speech had, or even that like some of his more recent speeches in front of crowds have had. I don't see. There's so many people I've watched to have takes on this

who are like and that. One of the joys of Twitter is you'll see some guy who's I don't know, an analyst at some newspaper be like, wow, Trump was really low energy. He seems frightened. You know, I'm telling you, this is a scared man. He's worried about these charges. And then like someone else with almost the same CV at a different place will be like, wow, Trump seems angry. You know, he's about he's about to lash back. Everybody better be ready for his counter strike. And honestly, I

just thought it was like kind of perfunctor. It didn't see he certainly didn't seem low energy, but he didn't seem like he had he didn't seem like he had much to say other than kind of meander over some of his some some talking points that are at this

point mostly pretty lukewarm. He kind of runs through at the start of this a laundry list of right wing talking points that like the Democrats spied on his campaign in twenty sixteen, that he was subjected to fraudulent investigations from the Russia and Ukraine stuff to the impeachments to the raid on Mara Lago. And then he broadens it by talking about how the FBI and the dj relentlessly pursue Republicans. And I was kind of expecting him to lean more into the I am your vengeance shit that

he's been doing lately. He doesn't really as much as I had expected him to in this, Like you can, he kind of like dips his toes into it, but I think he's so focused on what's happening to him that he doesn't he doesn't like push that as much as I was kind of expecting. So this is what comes after him like ranting about the DOJ and the FBI relentlessly pursuing Republicans. He then kind of like goes

into the election fraud claimed stuff. Again, he gives a bunch of lies there about the election, then about there being like ballots stuffed and all that kind of shit. Then he like pivots straight from that to talking about how Twitter purportedly worked with the Biden family to hide information about Hunter Biden. This is like debunked Twitter file shifts. Yeah, update on Twitter files. Matt to Beebe has just left Twitter because it will lay him post substance sub stack.

We do know obviously like they did stuff like say hey, please remove this video that shows Hunter Biden's penis um, but also like that's not number one is not supposed to be stuff that's on Twitter. That's kind of like crossing the revenge porn line. And you know, both sides

made requests that things be removed. Um. Trump claims, and I'm not sure where he says that, there's like like somebody calculated this, but I haven't been able to find who made this calculation that if Twitter hadn't intervened against him, he would have won the national election by seventeen points um. And then he's like, and that's I didn't even need that many. You know, you could have dropped that by sixteen point eight and I still would have won. Um,

which is not true. Really again, it's all just lies. Um. It goes on. He compares the United States to a third world country because of the twenty twenty election. He calls Alvin Bragg a Soros backed prosecutor, which he does a lot. Um, it's not true, but Bragg, you know, people are using Soros backed is like um, at least a lot of the Nazis are are are really leaping on that one. Yeah, they've gone back to Soros, Like yeah, they did the three parentheses for a while, Like Desantist

mentioned Staris at least twice in his place. Yeah. Yeah, it's a big, big one for them. I think it is. It is. It is a good move on their part to frame this prosecution as election interference like that is that is a smart move for them to get to funnel all of this via that narrative. Yeah, it helps keep the election fraud lies going. It also helps because there's been a number of like you know, Chessa boudin Get who got booted in San Francisco recently, is one example.

But we've seen a number of like progressive prosecutors get elected by kind of dim and you know, center left coalitions, and that's um allows them to kind of connect this to one of their more successful talking points, was is the purported like horrible violence in the streets of cities like San Francisco and whatnot, the like surgeon crime and

liberal you know cities with liberal prosecutors. Again, it's all bullshit, but it's not a bad tactic for tying into like, well, let's make a link between this thing Trump is claiming that's hurting him and this thing that people see every night on like Fox News that has been a pretty durable talking point for the right for several years now. Trump makes it. There's a weird line in here where he says that like even the Rhinos and the Democrats

agree that the case against him is bad. I'm not sure. I mean, you know, I suspect he's just kind of

like looking at at Twitter chaff there. He then kind of derails a bit by talking about Afghanistan and all of the military equipment and lives lost in the same breath, and then from that he kind of one of the things that comes up over and over in this is him talking about how embarrassing this time is for our country, how all of our enemies are laughing at us, etc. Like that is a I mean, he's been making that point for a long time, but it definitely it's It's

one of those things I think is a little bit of a window into the man's thought process, because he clearly thinks and perhaps I mean it must have a degree of resonance with his base. But the idea that like America has been embarrassed because he's facing charges and because of you know, Biden's failures as he sees it over in Afghanistan and elsewhere, like embarrassment is a big thing. He tries to get across in this that like you know, lady Lady Liberty's been caught with their fucking skirt up

or something like that. It's a I don't know, it's interesting to me that that's such a focus for him. There's a couple of fun lines in the part about the military. He talks about how it's woke at the tops, but under him, it was able to defeat Isis in four weeks, which man, it took years, Like we know it took years. I was there for some of it. A large part of that was not Americans at all, but like, no no, in a large part of it

was not Americans at all. There's a weird moment where he talks about the investigation over his call with Selinski and then that call where he tried to force Georgia's secretary of State to discard votes that he's being investigated for, where he's like, this is one of like the most beautiful Trump moments of the whole speech, because he's like, you know, that perfect call I had with Zelinski told you all it was a perfect call, where my call

with Georgia's secretary of state was even more perfect. It was it was the best call anybody's ever had. Nobody had a problem with it. Lots of guys were listening in and they all thought it was great. It's just he can be such a funny man. It's not even insane. It's just like, I don't know, nobody, nobody else talks

like that. Nobody else describes a phone call as perfect, right, like a normal and this is maybe there's a degree of Trump's success you can see in this, but like no normal person being accused of, like having attempted to interfere with an election during a phone call would describe the call as perfect. You know, a normal politician would refute the claims against them, would say, you know, I never did this, I never did that. You know this

is taken out of context or whatever. Trump's just like it was perfect, But you don't remember the last perfect call I told you about that people thought might have been a crime, even more perfect. This is the most perfect phone call anyone's ever had. Yeah. Then we get a long derailment about the Biden, like, you know, the

classified document shit that got him rated. He talks about how Biden's possession of classified documents was like the worst that anyone's ever done and was criminal because he was just the vice president. But the president's allowed to do it, but everybody does it, but the way Biden did is the worst that anybody did it. Yeah, it's like, I don't know, it's there's it's not like it's not an interesting Trump speech. Um, I don't think he's like panicked

or anything. I just kind of I don't know it. Maybe he's just sort of like checking off a thing on the to do box. But it's not it's not one of the it's not one for the speech books, right or for the history books. I don't know the speech books. That's not a thing. That's not a thing at all. There is a really fun moment where he's like kind of late in the speech, in between him complaining about Letitia James, he like points to his sons and he's like, I got two great sons, sons both

doing really great. And then he's like and Baron, and then as an afterthought, he's like, Baron's gonna do a great job too, someday. He's tall, an amazing father. Talking of tall, did you see that they do say they faked a mug shot of him and made him six foot five? Who faked the mug shot? The Trump campaign faked a mug shot of him to sell much That just added like several inches to his A man with

no insecurities. Ben Shapiro moments Trump a legalist arc. I'm not saying there's nothing to be concerned about in the right wing reaction here. It is worth kind of looking at the response that has occurred has largely been fucking nonsense, circus shit. Right. At most of the big rallies, particularly in New York, that have happened as a result of this, there've been more press on the ground than anyone on either side of things. It's not. It's just so far

not pulling people out, you know. Do I think there's a chance of you know, isolated terrorist attacks as you know, by people who see themselves as defending Trump or democracy or whatever. Certainly not a zero percent chance. But in terms of like things that I think are likely to have a mass to stabilizing effect, I'm not seeing it yet.

And I think a lot of that's due just to the fact that the Trump supporters who are kind of have the highest potential of being convinced to do that shit, are all scared as hell, both of the FEDS and of each other. The sheer number of them that have like turned on each other during the J six investigations like has it means that whenever there's talk about doing another big series of rallies, it devolves in a lot of these online places into like, well, you know, this

is probably being set up by the Feds. This is probably a honeypot to trap us um, which is I don't know. It's not a situation I would say you should rely on lasting forever, but that does kind of seem to be where we are right now. One other aspect of the right wing response that I think is worth mentioning is they have as some of some of their like propagandists and unpolitical people have made the promise that since since now, since that now there's been a

precedent set for indicting for former presidents. Now now they finally are able to go after Democratic politicians whenever they want. And yeah, I just I just am worried that they're going to threaten us with a good time. Yeah yeah, and it's it's also it's not just threatening us with a good time, because we have seen in Tennessee right now they're forcing two Democratic legislators out for their support

of gun control and like you know, typical. Yeah, I'm not, you know, in line with most of the Democratic Party on gun control. But what is happening here is anti democratic bullshit like that is it is authoritarian. It is completely fucking unacceptable, and people ought to be out in the like a lot more out to be done, and I think probably a lot more, Like I don't this that's one of the thorny questions that actually does concern me, Like what do you do in a situation like this?

What do the what kind of leverage do the FEDS even potentially have it. Certainly doesn't look like they're in the mood to do anything now, because I think that's the kind of that's the kind of thing we're going to see a lot more of in Red States in order to that little resistance it lists and that's really concerning. They're not going to go after someone like Obama, which frankly somebody, somebody should for the amount of bad Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

there should be charges against the man. There should be charges against Bush. Uh, you know, the doves, um, there

should be some charges against Clinton. Fuck it, go after them, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you dig up George H. W. Bush put them on trial as a corpse like that one Pope, Like, I'm on board, But no, they're they're gonna they're gonna end up going after there's like small like minority politicians who are like yeah, fighting for like reasonable things, you know, and who are doing things to actually jam up the works of kind of the march

of far right. Yeah, authoritarian laws Red States exactly. And you know, I am sure that as that picks up pace, they will point out what's being done to Trump as a justification. But like people should be aware that's not why they're doing it. They're doing it because it looks like it's going to work for them in Tennessee. And they did it in Tennessee for third reasons that had

nothing to do with fucking Trump. Yeah right, Yeah. If you want to talk about like what fascism is, a big part of it is that weaponizing of the state apparatus right against a position against you, whatever your scapegoat group, and like that does concern me for people living in Red State. Absolutely absolutely. I'm not saying there's nothing to

be worried about from the right. I'm just saying, at the moment, when I'm looking at like the way I kind of conceive of a threat matrix, I don't see us in a more dangerous position as a result of Trump getting charged, And I think an argument could be made that it's a positive move. I really hope we get another nail gun guy. Oh man, Yeah, that fucking dude, you tried to tried to solo the FBI with a nail gun. Maybe a neck girl come in with like a jigsaw or a yeah no, no, no, I think

I think ladders. I think it's it's it's time for like a ladder mob. Um that that's that's what I'm excited to see. Ladders and like simple pulleys. It's getting pinned to a building someone twenty feet away with a ladder. Make a make a tributche judge. The gauntlet has been thrown down. Yeah, let's let's let's have a continuing series of competitions to see who can build like the most

effective medieval siege equipment. I want to see some fucking scorpions up on the hill, you know, Yeah, I'm gonna do. Is it Greek fire? Turkish fire? When you put yeah, I mean that really that's a boy. That's like the Humms debate, James, you don't want cypress fire and we can be fine. Um. I don't know where where you guys get any of their thoughts on the Trump arraignment, indictment, arrest, etc. No, it's very funny. It did enjoy seeing that guy fall

off his toll bike. That was a highlight of the week for me. There was a good video from the New York protest of a guy falling off a tall bike. Yeah, out to the skateboard. Oh, I will, I will, um, let's see I will send send a few things to the chat. This the signal chat that I feel like people are worth seeing. This is what I spent This is what I spent most of my day uh doing, um is sending people these memes. I think it's important

that that is. That is that Ruth bader Ginsburg with a biggie crown saying, tell Donald, I want him to know it was me, Garrison, Yes, that is Oh no, you're joking. If I actually see Ruth bed again, I'm for fuck's sake, Kai with a pussy hat. Oh god, looks like brunches back on the menu. Boys. That one

I do appreciate. There was there was a good one that was like, um uh, it was like the jailer dropping off Trump in Epstein's cell all all of all of all of the lights go off, and then from the corner, a man in a dark cloak says Brandon sends his regards. What a wonderful time for memes. Well, everybody, when that's our that's our episode on the Trump arrest. We figured we should we should talk about that. To answer the question that so many people ask me, are

we closer to having a civil war? I don't know, man, it doesn't. It doesn't feel like this this has moved the needle on that at all. Um, the national divorce

is happening any day now. I swear like I think the thing that's worrying right now is, you know, not just kind of the low level series of exchanges of terror attacks and shootings and murders and stuff and just street violence that I I do think is going to kind of continue to be a problem up through twenty twenty four, but also just like what we've been talking about in terms of states pushing for these increasingly really violent laws aimed at doing direct physical harm to small

groups of people that they consider to be their enemies for whatever reason of identity. That is, like the increasing criminalization of groups of people in red states, the flight of folks from those states, the like the fact that you are kind of seeing the country settle into two blocks that have wildly different legal systems that are often opposed to each other. That's a conflict that is absolutely happening.

There's no denying that it's occurring. This is not a debatable thing, and I don't see the FEDS having any idea of how to fix this at the moment. We'll see where the elections go in twenty twenty four. The fact that Wisconsin that their Supreme Court election went well means a lot. It means that that's one state where the process that we're seeing happening in places like Florida in Tennessee. Um, that is a significant amount of people protected from that. And it also means a lot for

the twenty twenty four election. But it's we we are in a really rough place still. Um, I'm not like thinking we're in at the edge of seventeen seventy six point two or whatever the fuck the right way these days. Yeah, eighteen sixty five or whatever. Robert Evans is going to personally be the next John Brown. Yeah, I I hopefully not. Um, but I am. I am. I think I'd be really good at a being a terrible farmer. Um, I'm as red. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That picture of John Brown like leading the troops will remain one of my favorite pieces. Yeah. And no, he's he's got he's got a hell of a beard in that one. Yeah. I don't know. I think the threat, you know, continues, But broadly speaking, what's happened to Trump is either good or neutral, but certainly funny. And that's I think a good point to end on for the day a great Brandon sends his regards. It could Happen

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